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Speaker 2: this time. The Giants at ten point lead in the

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Speaker 2: fourth quarter. Lions come back and tie the game on

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Speaker 2: the first or second playoff overtime? Was it first playoff overtime?

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Speaker 2: Up the middle to Jamior Gibbs roll sixty nine yards

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Speaker 2: for the touchdown. Giants drive down into Lions territory. Jameis

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Speaker 2: The Giants fall to the Detroit Lions. In another familiar

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Speaker 2: road game. Script thirty four to twenty said, Look, it's

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Speaker 2: for the Giant fan. This feels so familiar.

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Speaker 1: It's a different way of things playing out, but it

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Speaker 1: feels the same every single week. If this team just

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Speaker 1: doesn't know how to win football games and how to

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Speaker 1: finish football games. That's offensively, that's defensively, that's coaching, it's everything.

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Speaker 1: And you get you listen to Bob and Carl and

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Speaker 1: what they're talking about is the rotation and Dexter Lawrence.

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Speaker 1: Why is he not on the football field? And statistically

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Speaker 1: this is about being gap sound defensively, it's about making tackles. Defensively,

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Speaker 2: A couple things wait here from Mike Kafkin in a second,

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Speaker 2: According to EPA per play allowed per rush, giants are

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Speaker 1: It feels like this is a Mike Kafka or even

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Speaker 2: fall to the Lions in overtime thirty four to twenty seven.

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Speaker 2: We're back here on Giants Extra Point. John Schmulch Tiki

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Speaker 2: Barber Giants loser sixth straight. They fall to Detroit Lions

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Speaker 1: And they were not able to slow down or stop

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Speaker 2: Explosive fifteen carries, two hundred and nineteen yards, a pair

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Speaker 1: Seventh? That's not enough. It is at halftime.

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Speaker 1: Giants fall to the Lions thirty four to twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: We return. We're gonna hear Mike Kafka from the podium.

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Speaker 3: Right after this, you're listening to Giants Extra Point on

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Speaker 2: We're back here on Giants Extra Point. John Schmelt, Tiki

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Speaker 2: Barber with you again. The Giants fall to the Detroit

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Speaker 2: Lions thirty four to twenty seven. Tiki, there were enough

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Speaker 2: Let's get down to Mike caf get the post.

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Speaker 4: Coming out with the neck. You know, we'll see where

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Speaker 5: You decided to knock you with your role.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: I was.

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Speaker 4: I stand by it, and you know we took points

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean we're on overtime.

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Speaker 4: Let's go win it overtime like that's where or go

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Speaker 5: Off that that info.

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Speaker 4: You know, thanks, continue to continue to come together as

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Speaker 5: Of play that out. But I like, I like Jackson

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Speaker 2: We're back here on Giants Extra point. Giants again fall

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Speaker 2: to the Lions thirty four to twenty seven in overtime

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Speaker 2: in tiki. We heard from the coach there and this

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Speaker 2: with some of the substitution patterns. We said, how that

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Speaker 2: just wouldn't be a decision that the defense would make.

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Speaker 2: Obviously he was managing an injury. Mike Kafee said it,

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Speaker 2: and you said this before we even heard the press commence,

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Speaker 2: it seemed like they were trying to prioritize passing situations

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Speaker 2: for Dexter Lawrence. Mike Kafkas said exactly that, which is

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Speaker 2: why as Steph Kam was down in the second half.

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Speaker 1: Stress and look at Dexter Lawrence. We know how good

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Speaker 1: of a player is when he's fully right, but he

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Speaker 1: hasn't been fully right for whatever reason, all season long,

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Speaker 1: and so you just want to maximize the most you

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Speaker 1: can get out of him in whatever moments. Now, as

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Speaker 1: a player, it's it's you gotta be smart about it.

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Speaker 1: As a fan, you get frustrated by it, and it's

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Speaker 1: you know, listening to Carl, you can tell he's frustrated

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Speaker 1: by it because you want to see decks out there.

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Speaker 1: He's your best defensive player, at least from a you know,

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Speaker 1: all pro type selection situation. Maybe Brian Burns is surpassing

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Speaker 1: him this season, but you want your best players out

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Speaker 1: there in critical moments against teams that are as good

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Speaker 1: as the Detroit Lions, and he just wasn't available. But

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Speaker 1: it's not his fault. I believe what Kafka was saying

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Speaker 1: that he gave it as all, and I think from

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Speaker 1: a player standpoint, they probably.

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Speaker 2: Understand that as well. Yeah, we'll see if he's limited

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Speaker 2: on practice on Wednesday. Yeah, that'll give us a hint

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Speaker 2: of what the injury was. But they list the body

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Speaker 2: part right, and then we'll have an idea of maybe

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Speaker 2: where the injury was. My Kafka did not specify that

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Speaker 2: in the postgame press conference, but at least that gives

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Speaker 2: us some answers there and your thoughts on Kafkive's response

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Speaker 2: in terms of his decision making.

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Speaker 1: I didn't mind to go for four week. We said

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Speaker 1: it early in the game. They didn't go for it.

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Speaker 1: They kicked the field goal, and he's right, it's early

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Speaker 1: in the game. Your defense is playing phenomenal. Take a

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Speaker 1: two score lead late in the game, you know the

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Speaker 1: Lions are constantly getting in scoring position. You have to

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Speaker 1: put points on the board. Just like we said earlier, John,

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Speaker 1: you can't just score seven points in the second half

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Speaker 1: and expect to beat a team as good and prolific

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Speaker 1: as a scorer their top five and scoring in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: as a Detroit Lions. You have to score points and

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Speaker 1: a touchdown was especially given the spread, or not the spread,

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Speaker 1: but the delta on the game. You know twenty seven

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Speaker 1: to twenty four. You had to go score a touchdown

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Speaker 1: in order to make it a two possession game against

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Speaker 1: the Lions, and they probably only had one possession left.

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Speaker 1: I don't mind it. I just mind the play calling

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Speaker 1: that was the problem down there. You run the ball

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Speaker 1: on first down, I get it, it's play action pass

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Speaker 1: on the second down. Do something that's not expected on

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Speaker 1: second down, because then you get yourself in a third

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Speaker 1: situation where you run it again and you lose four yards.

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Speaker 1: It just it was unimaginative. And it's been anti what

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Speaker 1: we've seen in the red zone from Mike Kofka for

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Speaker 1: most of this season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, where they've been very effective that one hundred, specially

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Speaker 2: since Jackson Dark took over, and it has continued.

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Speaker 1: The last week. They did have a couple of failures

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Speaker 1: down there in the DP red zone, which did hurt them.

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Speaker 2: All Right, let's take a time out, we'll come back.

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Speaker 2: We'll get more players in the locker room postgame. That

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Speaker 2: and a whole lot more Giants again fall to the

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Speaker 2: Detroit lines in overtime thirty four to twenty seven.

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Speaker 3: You are listening to Giants Extra Point on the WFAN

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Speaker 3: Giants Radio network.

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Speaker 10: This is Wanda Robinson and you're listening to Giants football

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Speaker 10: on the fan WFAN and Wfan FM, New York.

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Speaker 1: Yips is out himself for dips like that.

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Speaker 11: He's gonna one back set and all Forgibbs, gips up

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Speaker 11: the middle, gips on the run, gips across good field.

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Speaker 1: Gibbs is gonna go all the way for the touchdown

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Speaker 1: nine yards.

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Speaker 11: On the first playoff overtime, Winston call signals if the

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Speaker 11: Lions bring a heat, Winston bags the snap back to throw,

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Speaker 11: steps up under pressure, sack, crack of the thirty one

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Speaker 11: yard line, and the ball.

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Speaker 1: Game is over. Those are the two big plays in overtime.

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Speaker 2: The only play from scrimmage that the Lions had in overtime,

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Speaker 2: that sixty nine yard touchdown run by Jamiir Gibbs right

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Speaker 2: up the middle to give the Lions the lead. Giants

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Speaker 2: come back, drive it all the way down to the

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Speaker 2: Lions twenty seven yard line, but then on a fourth

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Speaker 2: and ten, Jamis Winston is sacked from behind by Aiden Hutchinson,

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Speaker 2: his first big play of the game, and the Giants

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Speaker 2: fall to the Lions in overtime thirty four to twenty seven.

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Speaker 2: John Schmelk, Tiki Barber with you right here on Giants

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Speaker 2: extra point and Tiki We're gonna hear from Jameis Winston. Shortly,

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Speaker 2: Mike caf Get talked about how he played well, and

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Speaker 2: we have talked about one the Robinson game he had.

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Speaker 2: Either of those two guys did everything they could on

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Speaker 2: offense to try to push the Giants over the top.

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Speaker 1: It just wasn't quite enough. Yeah, they I mean, they

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Speaker 1: were great in this game. And Wandell went out late

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Speaker 1: in the game after diving for a play was wide

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Speaker 1: open down to twelve yard line. It was just an

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Speaker 1: errant throw where maybe he got held up a little

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Speaker 1: bit out of the break because, as we mentioned in

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Speaker 1: the pregame, a lot of Jamis's throws or timing throws,

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Speaker 1: especially when he's on schedule, he's putting that ball to

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Speaker 1: a spot and he expects you to be there, and

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Speaker 1: it just missed Wandell a little bit. But not that Notwithstanding,

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Speaker 1: he was fantastic, especially in the first half, one hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty six yards in a obviously the trick play

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Speaker 1: touchdown on the opening drive. Wandall's exactly what you want

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Speaker 1: for a team because he's such a consistent part of

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Speaker 1: being productive for this squad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, you're playing a team like the Lions

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Speaker 2: Tiky that play a ton of man to man defense.

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Speaker 2: You do not beat man to man defense by dinking

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Speaker 2: and dunking your way up the few with short passes. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you have to beat them with explosive play. And Jamis

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Speaker 2: Winston is the guy to get explosive plays. And by

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Speaker 2: the way, the line had done a pretty good job

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Speaker 2: of preventing explosive plays this year, despite the fact they.

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Speaker 1: Play a lot of man to man defense.

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Speaker 2: And in this game, the Giants had the forty two

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Speaker 2: yard pass to Tyrone Tracy, the forty yard deep pass

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Speaker 2: de Wandol Robinson, the thirty nine yard touchdown dew WANDL Robinson,

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Speaker 2: the thirty nine yard pass to Theo Johnson, and a

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Speaker 2: thirty three yard pass to Jamis Winston from going to

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Speaker 2: Wolf Scewsky, plus a thirty yard deep pass to Isaiah Hodgins.

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Speaker 2: They had six passes of thirty yards or more throwing

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Speaker 2: two more passes of twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Yards or more. So this was just explosives play city

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Speaker 1: all day long through the Gay Yeah, and again a

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Speaker 1: lot of it wasn't I mean, some of it was downfield,

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Speaker 1: but some of it was just designed scat releases to

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Speaker 1: Tyrone Tracy, you know, who did a great job in

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Speaker 1: the receiving room as well. I mean he had sixty

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Speaker 1: eight yards on three receptions Tyrone Tracy. And I know

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Speaker 1: it feels like, oh, those were just dumped downs, but

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Speaker 1: actually they were. They were designed free release plays for

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Speaker 1: the running back that they took advantage of knowing and

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Speaker 1: game planning well against what the lines we're going to do.

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Speaker 1: But again, all of this is it's it's really good

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Speaker 1: to talk about the positives from the Giants, like the

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Speaker 1: things that they did well and how good Jameis Winston look.

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Speaker 1: And you know, the one question I'd have is why

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Speaker 1: the heck did you need Russell Wilson when Jameis Winston

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Speaker 1: is just as probably better. And also, uh, the example

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Speaker 1: that you want a young quarterback to follow, stay in

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Speaker 1: the pocket, let the ball get released on time, be smart.

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Speaker 1: You know you can be risky, but don't be too

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Speaker 1: risky because you don't want to turn the turn the

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Speaker 1: football over. That being said, I love the Jamis example.

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Speaker 1: I love what he's done for this team in these

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Speaker 1: first you know, two starts that he's had this year,

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Speaker 1: and so hopefully they keep that going.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we haven't seen the quite seen the bad Jamis

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Speaker 2: show up yet. No, he eventually shows up eventually. He

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Speaker 2: hasn't shown up quite yet.

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Speaker 1: Right, two interceptions and the one that today not two interceptions,

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Speaker 1: but two interceptions in his in his first two weeks.

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Speaker 1: But the one today was just it was he was late.

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Speaker 1: It was a throw he shouldn't have thrown. Yeah, he

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Speaker 1: knows it. Running right, throwing across your body in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the field and not seeing the stalking defender

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Speaker 1: waiting for it for you, and that's just that's just

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Speaker 1: that's just bad. That's bad by Jamis. But he knows

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Speaker 1: that just as well as everybody else.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now looking back at it this year, Tiaki still

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Speaker 2: the only two games the Giants won were the two

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Speaker 2: games where they were in the positive on the turnover side.

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Speaker 1: Of franks and then they don't get enough turnovers takeaways.

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Speaker 1: They don't know.

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Speaker 2: Look, they've only had three games they've been in the

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Speaker 2: plus side. The other game which they lost was the

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Speaker 2: forty nine ers game. They were plus one in that game.

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Speaker 2: But otherwise the only other two games that they won

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Speaker 2: they were on the positive side of the turnover ratio,

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Speaker 2: So that comes down to all right, they got the

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Speaker 2: big play part of the formula in this game, but

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Speaker 2: again they did not you know, the Jamis interception ended

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Speaker 2: up getting to stop the three and out, so not

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Speaker 2: a big deal, but you still lose a possession out

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Speaker 2: of it, which heurts.

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Speaker 1: You lost some field position as well. But I think

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Speaker 1: the challenge for you know, the Giants defensively is, you know,

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Speaker 1: for the fesiable next to the mostly the rest of

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Speaker 1: the season is how are you getting the playmakers on

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Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball. It's really the defensive

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Speaker 1: front and if those guys aren't getting pressure on a

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Speaker 1: consistent basis, then how are you gonna get turnovers? How

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Speaker 1: are you going to affect games in a positive way

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Speaker 1: if you can't turn you know, turn imposing offenses over.

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Speaker 1: What do you think of the pass rush today? It

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Speaker 1: was okay, it wasn't great. I was happy for Darius Alexander.

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Speaker 1: He was helped out by Dexter Lawrence being next to

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Speaker 1: him and Dexter winning immediately forcing him, you know, to

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Speaker 1: be you know, one on one as well. I thought

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Speaker 1: he did well, but it felt non impactful. Still, it

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Speaker 1: felt like there were chances for big sacks and they

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Speaker 1: just missed him. Brian Burns had won both arms around

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Speaker 1: Jared Golf and he and he and he comes free.

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Speaker 1: I felt like Abdul Carter, while you know he's in

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Speaker 1: the backfield a little bit, I never felt like he

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Speaker 1: was a threat. So there's still wor to be done

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Speaker 1: there despite all of the resources that have been applied there.

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Speaker 2: Early grading by PFF has fourteen total pressures in this game,

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Speaker 2: three for Carter, only one for Burns.

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Speaker 1: They were chipping Brian Burns an awful lot. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's what's gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: Three for Daris Alexander, three for Dexter Lawrence, and three

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Speaker 2: for Nachos. Those are the pressures that were on the

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Speaker 2: board for the Giants today.

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Speaker 1: Pressures, not sacks. You gotta get turnovers off of disrupting

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Speaker 1: the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: I was happy to see they did have three sacks,

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Speaker 2: which is better than they've had most games this year.

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Speaker 1: True, I was happy to see the the secondary blitz.

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Speaker 1: It was only one of them where Dane Belton I

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Speaker 1: believe it was came free an unblocked pressure, which is

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Speaker 1: something that you don't get a lot from Shane Bowen

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Speaker 1: and it forced an incompletion, So it's something that needs

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Speaker 1: to be more integrated into their repertoire. All right, let's

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Speaker 1: take a time out. We'll come back. We're still winning

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Speaker 1: on Jameis Winston at the podium and the other players

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Speaker 1: in the locker room. We'll take a break. We'll come back.

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Speaker 1: Giants again. Fault to the lines right here on Giants

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Speaker 1: extra point thirty four to twenty s.

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Speaker 3: You're listening to Giants extra Point on the Wfan Giants

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Speaker 7: This is Jameis Winston and you're listening to Giants football

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Speaker 7: New York.

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Speaker 1: Stop play faith.

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Speaker 11: They run an end around for Rowshawsky, who's gonna throw it,

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Speaker 11: but there's now He does throw.

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Speaker 12: It down the left sideline for Winston who makes the

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Speaker 12: catch of the fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Jameis preaching fighting. It is O for the touchdown.

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Speaker 12: Holy come, oh Shaskey with a touchdown past double all people.

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Speaker 1: Jameis Winston and that was today's play.

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Speaker 2: at Tiki. When we saw that play and heard Bob

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Speaker 2: make the call because we hear the call before we

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Speaker 2: see the play, yes, we thought maybe this today might

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Speaker 2: be different because shows pocket presence as a passer by

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Speaker 2: stepping up through it, throws back shoulder of Jenis do

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Speaker 2: it just to the ball in the air, runs through

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Speaker 2: a linebacker's tackle at four a touchdown?

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Speaker 1: Like are you kidding me? Yeah? I was. My notes

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Speaker 1: on that were what d TF am I watching right

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Speaker 1: now because of how crazy that play was, But it

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Speaker 1: was executed perfectly because as a pass thrower, when you're

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Speaker 1: being rushed and things are starting to break down, if

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Speaker 1: it's available to you step forward towards the line of

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Speaker 1: scrimmats to one by yourself space, but two, get yourself

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Speaker 1: in a running motion so that if there is nowhere

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Speaker 1: to go with the football, you can go pick up

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Speaker 1: two or three yards or ten yards or whatever it

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Speaker 1: is scrambling. But then number two, when you ultimately throw

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Speaker 1: that ball, if the defender is on top of your receiver,

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Speaker 1: which the linebacker was throw it to his back shoulder.

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Speaker 1: So somehow, Gunner Olshewski, I don't know if you've ever

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Speaker 1: ever played quarterback in his and his life. Through the

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Speaker 1: perfect pass and the perfect kind of setup to Jamis

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Speaker 1: Winston that resulted in a thirty three yard touchdown.

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Speaker 2: All Right, we do have Isaiah Hodgens down in the

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Speaker 2: locker room. Let's listen in to him after this game.

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Speaker 13: Isaiah, I know you've only been here a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 13: With these kinds of dramatic losses can certainly take a

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Speaker 13: lot out of the team. These guys have how to

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Speaker 13: deal with it a lot more than you have this year.

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Speaker 13: But how do you move past them? How do you

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Speaker 13: digest a loss like this?

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Speaker 8: And it's tough. Can't even lie to you. I can't

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Speaker 8: imagine since Yeah, like you said, I've only been here

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Speaker 8: for a.

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Speaker 14: Couple of weeks, and you know, being in those coast

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Speaker 14: games and I've been come out on top of It's tough,

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Speaker 14: but we got to find a way to finish. I

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Speaker 14: think you know, we played good as a team, and

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Speaker 14: we show good grit. You know, Coco's going great plays

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Speaker 14: down it up you know, all credits to the coaches

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Speaker 14: and our preparations out the week, the players.

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Speaker 8: But we just got to find a way to finish, man. So,

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Speaker 8: you know, being a part of loss like that sucks

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Speaker 8: for sure.

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Speaker 13: We saw you guys use a couple of gadget plays

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Speaker 13: and obviously put a bunch of points on the board

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Speaker 13: and move the ball effectively offensively. What was it that

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Speaker 13: you thought went so well against the defense that over

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Speaker 13: the course of the season has been very good here

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Speaker 13: in Detroit.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean, just being ables. That's our preparation and

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Speaker 14: that's all credit to the coaches and us. You know,

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Speaker 14: I've patic start the week, just a little details talking

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Speaker 14: with the quarterback, and then at the end of the

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Speaker 14: day just execute on that field. I mean, we got

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Speaker 14: a bunch of gamers on the scene, and I know

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Speaker 14: we're not getting the results we want. But when you

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Speaker 14: look for my roster top the bottom, there's a bunch

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Speaker 14: of players who could really play it.

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Speaker 8: So I'm excited to be a part of it. But

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Speaker 8: you know, we just gotta find the way finished.

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Speaker 13: They get the touchdown and showed off the overtime. You

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Speaker 13: guys get the ball back. Jameis Winston was able to

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Speaker 13: be able to convert a fourth down on a scramble

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Speaker 13: as you guys got into Detroit territory.

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Speaker 8: What was the mentality during that drive?

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Speaker 13: How hard was it to turn the page from then

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Speaker 13: getting the lead touchdown and then you guys trying to

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Speaker 13: tie it.

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Speaker 8: I don't think as hard as all.

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Speaker 14: I mean, you know, we prepared for those moments and

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Speaker 14: we just know, like, you know, be ready to go

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Speaker 14: out there and score, and you know, be ready to

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Speaker 14: score and go for two. You know that's our mentality,

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Speaker 14: you know, trying to go finish it and win it.

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Speaker 14: I mean, James played amazing man. Just so much credit

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Speaker 14: to him man and the grid and the ability to

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Speaker 14: be able to bounce back and amount of great throws

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Speaker 14: that he made. I mean, it was crazy to be

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Speaker 14: a part of fun to watch. I mean, all credit

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Speaker 14: to him.

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Speaker 8: Okay, thanks for you trying, Isaiah, Just real quickly, like

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Speaker 8: what about.

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Speaker 15: The Giants offense that play calls particularly that elevate your

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Speaker 15: game because it seems like every time you trying to

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Speaker 15: uniform you were just targeted and you make the catches

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Speaker 15: and it's always come.

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Speaker 16: To your way.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean it's a great offense. Man, I'm very

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Speaker 14: comfortable in it. Calf, great play card we got, Tim Kelly.

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Speaker 14: I mean, this great just system for wide receivers to

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Speaker 14: be in. You know, I give all credits just to that.

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Speaker 14: I mean when I my little time that I was

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Speaker 14: in San Francisco and Pittsburgh also and the wide receivers,

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Speaker 14: they're the same thing.

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Speaker 8: Like, man, you guys have no idea.

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Speaker 14: Like being part of that Giants offensive scheme and just

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Speaker 14: like the route concepts like to receivers dreams. It's amazing,

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Speaker 14: you know. So you know, I'm just excited to be

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Speaker 14: a part of it. But you know, we just got

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Speaker 14: to keep executing.

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Speaker 2: That's ay Isay Hodgens in the locker room after the

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Speaker 2: Now let's go to our phone lines. Paul Deatino is

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Speaker 2: standing probably outside of a bus somewhere in Detroit where

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Speaker 2: imagine it's pretty chilly outside.

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Speaker 1: Paul.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, we've talked to you after games like this many

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Speaker 2: times this year. What was the mood in the locker

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Speaker 2: room after this one? We just heard from Isaiah Hodgens.

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Speaker 2: You haven't heard from nobody else yet.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, again, very numb. This is the fifth gut punch

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Speaker 16: lost the Giants have had this year, John, where they

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Speaker 16: have been defeated inside the final five minutes or in overtime,

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Speaker 16: as you know, twice in overtime this year, just like

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Speaker 16: last season when they lost two games in overtime. It's numbness.

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Speaker 16: The guys who were young, the dalias Alexander's of the world.

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Speaker 16: The guys like well Isaiahudgens isn't necessarily young, but he's

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Speaker 16: only been here now for a couple of weeks. They're

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Speaker 16: more trying to find positives in the situation because they

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Speaker 16: haven't been hit in the stomach five times as the

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Speaker 16: other guys have this year. Although Alexander certainly has been

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Speaker 16: here for season. He did have two solo sacks. Today,

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Speaker 16: he's looking at this as a building process. He's trying

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Speaker 16: not to let it soil his mentality. That's kind of

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Speaker 16: where it is right now. And of course, the Gadget

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Speaker 16: plays were a lot of fun that gave this offense,

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Speaker 16: and a lot of these guys like Wandell Robinson and

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Speaker 16: Gunnar Roschewsky who I spoke with, gave them a lot

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Speaker 16: of zip. They at least, you know, found some solace

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Speaker 16: in the loss because they see a head coach who's

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Speaker 16: creative who's not afraid to get the ball to them

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Speaker 16: in big spots, who's willing to take gambles. So there

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Speaker 16: were some things to chew on in this game. I

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Speaker 16: suppose that some guys were trying to reach.

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Speaker 1: For yeah, And I think the biggest thing from an

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Speaker 1: offensive standpoint is Jamis is always positive and I think

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Speaker 1: you feel that now and I think it's an extension

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Speaker 1: of what Jackson Dart is. There's always this positive energy

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Speaker 1: even when things aren't going well, and I think it's

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Speaker 1: why you see this offense. Recauless of the quarterback is

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Speaker 1: always fighting right. They never seem to be laying down

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Speaker 1: their sword and that's Look, it's hard to say what

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Speaker 1: you want to say about this game because it is

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Speaker 1: a fifth fourth quarter loss of the season. It's depressing

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Speaker 1: you only won two games out of twelve so far.

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Speaker 1: But if you want to find silver linings, I think

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Speaker 1: the positivity in that locker room comes from basically their

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks and the way that they play the game.

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Speaker 16: I'd agree with that, Tiki. And you know, this being

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Speaker 16: the second overtime loss, but this was the only one.

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Speaker 16: Remember the Dallas game came down to a field goal

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Speaker 16: on the final play of overtime by the Cowboys. He

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Speaker 16: was a situation where they were down. They gave up

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Speaker 16: a gut punch run by Gibbs. By the way, I

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Speaker 16: think that was the third huge gaping hole up the

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Speaker 16: middle that he just went and you know, it became

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Speaker 16: a trap star and just ran right down the field.

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Speaker 16: So that's just an excusable But here's the thing. They

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Speaker 16: did show resilience. They come back after that. You usually

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Speaker 16: could have gone thrilling out and the game could have

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Speaker 16: been over. But even Winston converted a fourth down on

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Speaker 16: a scramble. That offense showed you, even in this situation

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Speaker 16: with the entire world collapsing on them for the eighteenth time,

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Speaker 16: they took the ball down the field and got into

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Speaker 16: Lion's territory. And believe me, there were people in that stadium.

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Speaker 16: I was on the sideline with a bunch of security

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Speaker 16: people and stuff, and they're like, oh my god, you

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Speaker 16: guys might actually tie this game. You know, there was

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Speaker 16: a lot of belief.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, gives it runs, Paul, you mentioned it runs of

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Speaker 2: forty nine yards, forty nine yards and sixty nine yards

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Speaker 2: in this game.

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Speaker 1: That's how you rush over to two hundred yards. By

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Speaker 1: the way, folks, Paul, did you talk or did anybody

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Speaker 1: speak to dex Lawrence after the game.

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Speaker 16: No, I did not get a chance to talk to Dexter.

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Speaker 16: The locker room was very crowded, trying to weave your

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Speaker 16: way in to talk to different guys. I talked to Robinson, Alexander, Ozchewsky, Hodgens, Bellinger.

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Speaker 16: You know, I made the rounds as best as I could,

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Speaker 16: and then how to get to the bus.

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Speaker 2: No, Paul, no worries. That was just one thing, is

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Speaker 2: Mike Kfie addressed in the press conference. There was talk

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Speaker 2: from Crawlbanks on the radio broadcast about how Dexter snap

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Speaker 2: counts were down, especially laying the game. All his curios

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Speaker 2: a Dexter to addressed that at all after that, curious just.

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Speaker 1: To see if he's heard. I mean, the implication was

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Speaker 1: that he was battling through some sort of injury. Nick

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Speaker 1: duff is the word up and just fighting for him,

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Speaker 1: And look, he wasn't. He was impactful. He didn't have

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Speaker 1: any sacks or stats like that, but he was impactful.

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Speaker 1: I think Darius Alexander can thank him for at least

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Speaker 1: one of those sacks.

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Speaker 16: Well, I think the one thing, fella is that a

871
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Speaker 16: lot of people have been asking about, and justifiably so

872
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Speaker 16: at the end of these games, if it's not a

873
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Speaker 16: schreme question, which a lot of people still think that,

874
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 16: there are scheme questions. The other one is deployment of

875
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 16: players and deployment of personnel. And you know, there were

876
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 16: times when people are asking like why is so and

877
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 16: so on the field and not on the field in

878
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 16: those spots, those those are all legitimate things to wonder,

879
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 16: and obviously, you know it's up to the coaching staff

880
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 16: to come up with those answers. But but those are

881
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 16: certainly legitimate questions that can be asked.

882
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: Paul, anything else strike you after the game? Otherwise well

883
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: that's you're all.

884
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 16: No, I think, uh, you know, gonna go Chevsky. I

885
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 16: don't know how much you guys might get some audio

886
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 16: on him, but talk to him afterwards, and he said

887
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 16: they tried that play and practice three different times. All

888
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 16: three times he threw the completion. So he was very

889
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 16: very happy to be able to hit Winston for that touchdown.

890
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 16: Although let's give credit to Jamis Tinky, he's had some

891
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 16: barber like moves and to get into the end.

892
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: Zone hotel breaking leg tackles and when a guy's on

893
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: the ground, he should not be able to bring you

894
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: down keeping his balance and getting into the in zone.

895
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: Aw's a hell of a play. Crew Man is a

896
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: hell of a play by Jamis Paul. Good stuff, my

897
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: friend safe travels coming back home?

898
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 16: All right, you got it, guys.

899
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 2: But luckily, even though Paul Tatino did have a chance

900
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 2: to talk to Dexter Lawrence, apparently our boy Pete Hoffin

901
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: did get his microphone in front of that the Lawrence

902
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 2: after the game, so licient to see what Deck's had

903
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 2: to say.

904
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Speaker 17: It takes a little a little more to you know,

905
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 17: you know, get to him and get him down and

906
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 17: things like that.

907
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 5: So you just gotta be better with that.

908
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 8: How much are you fighting through injury here? How much

909
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 8: are you fighting through injury and things bothering you? If anything,

910
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 8: I just got nicked up this game. It wasn't coming

911
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 8: into the game, it was during during the game. Wow,

912
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 8: this got nicked up.

913
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 7: As a leader of the defense here, when you have

914
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 7: these fourth quarter leagues become a team.

915
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 8: Can you put a finger on that at all?

916
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 17: I mean the uh uh, you know we stopped exposive

917
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 17: this week. It is a different game, and you know

918
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 17: he had a couple early and then he had that

919
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 17: one at the end. So if we do better with those,

920
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 17: just just you know, being more consistent and in those

921
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Speaker 17: situations and those ranks and those run.

922
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Speaker 8: Fits and would be good.

923
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 18: Did you did you want to be on the field

924
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 18: on that first of all our time? Was that situation

925
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 18: you alreadyknew're cutt trying?

926
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Speaker 8: Yeah, they were just.

927
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Speaker 17: They was just uh, I wanted to get the third.

928
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Speaker 5: Down and you know, get rushed to get some good rushes.

929
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Speaker 18: Top of that, I said, physically couldn't, but just stand

930
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 18: on the side of as.

931
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Speaker 17: A competitor, I always want to be on the field.

932
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Speaker 17: But I understood the process and the game plan and

933
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Speaker 17: I trusted it.

934
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Speaker 4: When did you kind of shift into that mood like

935
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 4: you know, hey, we gotta kind of preserve, like when

936
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Speaker 4: we can get the most out.

937
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 8: In like in the first quarter. How you feeling right now? Physically?

938
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Speaker 8: You just played the football game. Why do you think

939
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Speaker 8: it's an injury or is just something you know, just

940
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 8: this this nig something you hard?

941
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Speaker 17: Yeah, I finished the game, so at this.

942
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 5: Point, just how I guess what's the frustration of it?

943
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 8: I guess what you know, doing so much right this game,

944
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 8: but against same result as.

945
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Speaker 14: The last five.

946
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Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean the result is frustrating. But as a defense,

947
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 17: you know, I brought us up and told like, we

948
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 17: played well, we you know, we held them to you know,

949
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 17: to whatever, we held him too. But it's just those

950
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 17: explosive plays and we can't have that. And I mean,

951
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 17: that's just that was my message to the defense, just

952
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 17: not the girl. Where were the process? Keep growing in

953
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 17: stacking days and you know it'll turn around.

954
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 2: So nicked up early the game, Tiki that that, but

955
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 2: the message from Kafka, the messes from Dector Lawrence, and

956
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 2: he was not able.

957
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: To play much more than more plays.

958
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 2: In later downs and early downs. Yeah, I mean, look,

959
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 2: you're taken for a word, but he he they're better

960
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 2: when he's out there, of course they are.

961
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: Of course they are. And we'll see how much he's

962
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: able to play.

963
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 2: Next week, the Giants, of course go to New England

964
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 2: and they will play on Monday Night Football against the

965
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Speaker 2: New England Patriots, and the Giants will try to win

966
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: their first game in quite a while. They've now lost

967
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: six straight as they head into the month of December

968
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Speaker 2: with Thanksgiving coming your way, next week.

969
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Speaker 1: Let's take a time out.

970
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 2: We'll come back. We will have Jamis Winston at the podium.

971
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Speaker 2: That and a whole lot more. The Giants fall to

972
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 2: the Lions in overtime thirty four to twenty seven.

973
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Speaker 1: We're right back.

974
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Speaker 3: You're listening to Giants Extra Point on the WFAN Giants

975
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 3: Radio Network.

976
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 10: This is Wanda Robinson and you're listening to Giants Football

977
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 10: on the Fan WFAN and WFAN FM, New York.

978
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 11: I set third, two ball six at the thirty nine,

979
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Speaker 11: costs right for Singletary, throws it back to Winston, makes.

980
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 8: A man miss nout deep down field.

981
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: He's got Robinson in the zone for the cutdown and

982
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: that I'll call it a fleet flicker, but is technically

983
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: that's what it is.

984
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 2: But it was also across the field throwback to Jamis Winston,

985
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it. That was today's scoring

986
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 2: drive of the game, brought to you by Citizens. For

987
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 2: every scoring drive this season, Citizens were doing eight seven

988
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars to the Giants Foundation to support

989
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: their work tackling and community issues, improving over our health

990
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 2: and empowering our youth.

991
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: That was the scoring play on a four play sixty

992
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: five yard drive for a.

993
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: Touchdown on the Giants opening drive of the game, gave

994
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 2: him seven nothing lead.

995
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: Another drive this year was at nighttime.

996
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: I think Bob said ticky that the Giants scored yeah

997
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 2: eight time may yeah that that they scored on an

998
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 2: opening drive this year.

999
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: Giants seven, thank you seven. So they've been great on

1000
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: opening drives this year.

1001
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Speaker 2: Another one for the Giants well, and the Robinson caught

1002
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 2: that pass from Jamis Winston on the throwback.

1003
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: Let's listen to him in the locker room after the

1004
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: game and DLL I.

1005
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 13: Got it to any obviously want to spectacle in the

1006
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 13: life Forgure And I know I feel because the last

1007
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 13: is still the walls and I'm sure that's not a conservation.

1008
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 10: Yeah, would have been nice to have to win out

1009
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 10: on top of that, but yeah, I really don't care

1010
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 10: too much about how the game personally went after.

1011
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 13: The all, So, could you describe the flue flicker who

1012
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 13: as we saw it developed and you certainly got behind

1013
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 13: the defense and had how to take slow motion.

1014
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 5: As that bull was coming down here.

1015
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 10: Yeah, it definitely felt like ball was taken a little

1016
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 10: bit uh to come down. But I think we've been

1017
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 10: practicing that play for about two weeks and it was

1018
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 10: you feel like it's the perfect time to call it

1019
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 10: on that third and one more on our on the

1020
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Speaker 10: plus side of the east side.

1021
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 8: Great called by Calf and a great Excuse.

1022
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 5: Me, it wasn't the only trick play that we stipicate.

1023
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 2: What does that tell you about mine?

1024
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 5: Calf is a head coaching, is a play caller to

1025
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 5: pull those things out.

1026
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 8: I mean, he's aggressive.

1027
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 5: He told us that he's gonna be aggressive.

1028
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 8: He believes in assent.

1029
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 10: He touched them offense side of the wall, just the

1030
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 10: waving practice, and I think that's lets him just you

1031
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 10: know that we can go out there and be aggressive

1032
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 10: and he believes in everything.

1033
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: That we do.

1034
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 5: Did you know that you would have been such a

1035
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 5: significant part when you playing going to people's k I.

1036
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 10: Mean yeah, we knew that they were gonna try and

1037
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 10: play a little bit of a lot of Man, I

1038
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 10: feel like I can get open, So just you know

1039
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 10: Jamis trusted me, and me trusting Jamis.

1040
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 5: I'm just going out there and getting open.

1041
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,439
Speaker 13: Hey come back rally and we've seen other teams rally

1042
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 13: in the fourth quarter against the Giants old season long

1043
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 13: and then they get to go ahead score.

1044
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 5: How difficult is it to get the gears going.

1045
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 13: Again on that last drive and know the need to

1046
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 13: touchdown to continue the game.

1047
00:47:58,120 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 10: I mean, it's not difficult at all. At end of

1048
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 10: the day, confederor you want to go out there, and

1049
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 10: you want to go out there and do that. I

1050
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 10: was just more so sick that I was just getting

1051
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 10: double teams at that point during the game and I

1052
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 10: couldn't really go out there.

1053
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 8: And make up play too much.

1054
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 12: How much you think you know before the game that's

1055
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 12: gonna be super aggressive?

1056
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,479
Speaker 8: You have all these you know she's good older strict players.

1057
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 19: Do you have an idea?

1058
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 8: And then that's something you knew was coming.

1059
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 10: I mean, we have him in and I just feel like,

1060
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 10: as long as it's the right time.

1061
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 8: To call him, he's gonna call him. So, yeah, what

1062
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 8: did you say on that overtime und you said? There

1063
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 8: you right with the one time you got opened there

1064
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 8: out of that open.

1065
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 10: Oh yeah that was at this meaning. I guess John no,

1066
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 10: Jameis wants that one back. But yeah, I say, I

1067
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 10: had kind of a corner route and he overplayed me

1068
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 10: to the inside and threw him by.

1069
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 5: Once I saw the ball.

1070
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Speaker 8: Come out, I was just like, dang, I'm not gonna

1071
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Speaker 8: I don't feel like the.

1072
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 10: Able to get to this and suf but I tried,

1073
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 10: everything got good.

1074
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 8: Little off target.

1075
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 18: Did you guys feel you kind of have answers for

1076
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,439
Speaker 18: what they're doing? It seemed like you guys were really

1077
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 18: in a rhythm intermediate rout Like did you just know that,

1078
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 18: like whenever they were calling up you heard the answer.

1079
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Speaker 1: To Oh yeah.

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Speaker 10: I mean I just at the end of the day,

1081
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 10: just feeling like they can't, you can't, they can't guard

1082
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,439
Speaker 10: me whatever I'm out there. I feel like that's any

1083
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 10: in every game that I played, just going out there, James,

1084
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 10: give me a chance?

1085
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 8: About there mcplayer playing with James letter rip, Oh yeah, I.

1086
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: Mean he's he's gonna let it rip.

1087
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 10: And dude, like like you said, he's gonna let it

1088
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 10: rip and give you a chance.

1089
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Speaker 8: And I see exactly what you want is a receiver.

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Speaker 8: What did you're thinking about what you offered him today?

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Speaker 8: In general, I thought James played well.

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Speaker 10: Obviously, I think he wants that one interception back.

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Speaker 1: He didn't.

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Speaker 10: He definitely didn't see him and I didn't even feel

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Speaker 10: the guy that he was about to cross my face.

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Speaker 10: I thought I was wide open whenever you're throwing the football,

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Speaker 10: and you know, I think that's the one that we

1098
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 10: definitely went back.

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Speaker 8: But I thought he care amazing. Today.

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Speaker 2: Giants football is brought to you locally by Ford. One

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Speaker 2: through that pass to one though Rominson his gymis Winston.

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Speaker 2: He addressed the media on the podium after the game.

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Speaker 14: One thing that I have always uh one of my

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00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 14: you know, to coaches Jim Brogan, he always told me

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Speaker 14: and we always repeat it, the success is in the struggle.

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Speaker 8: You know, we have to continue to endure.

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Speaker 14: One of my favorite Bible versus is counting all joy

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Speaker 14: when you fall into various trials, knowing that the testing

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Speaker 14: of your faith produces perseverance, and let that perseverance have

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Speaker 14: its perfect work so.

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Speaker 7: You can be complete, lacking nothing. And I think that

1115
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 7: this team is just in the season where we're enduring

1116
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 7: certain trials. How I was so proud of the defense

1117
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 7: to when they got that turnover. We just have to

1118
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Speaker 7: find a way to win, and that's as simple as

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Speaker 7: that I have to do my role better. We all

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Speaker 7: have a part in this, but the coaches are putting

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Speaker 7: us in a great position to do so.

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Speaker 8: Collectively.

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Speaker 7: We just have to find a way and we will.

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Speaker 7: We are desperate for a when That's one of the

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Speaker 7: things I was in the locker room. Let's be desperate

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00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 7: for a victory.

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Speaker 9: Uh.

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Speaker 7: This is one of the best teams in the NFL.

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00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 7: You know, we came here on a mission and we

1130
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Speaker 7: didn't We didn't complete that mission. So we have to

1131
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 7: find a way and whatever it takes. Uh, we're willing

1132
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Speaker 7: and able to do it.

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Speaker 14: He's he's been doing he's been doing phenomenal. He's been

1134
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 14: doing phenomenal. He's an excellent head coach. He's poised, he's confident.

1135
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Speaker 14: We have to help him out myself included. He's an

1136
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Speaker 14: NFL quarterback and he wants to win. He's doing whatever

1137
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 14: it takes to win. And they worked. We just didn't win.

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Speaker 1: I felt that.

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Speaker 7: I feel I feel that our offense is playing very good.

1140
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 7: I'm I just have to focus on finishing for us.

1141
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 7: We can be better in clutch moments. We're dombinant. We

1142
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 7: have one of the best office lines in this in

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00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 7: this football league. And I'm grateful for that, and that's

1144
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 7: what it starts with.

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Speaker 20: Uh.

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00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 8: I just have to do a better job of finishing

1147
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 8: for them.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's honestly, I think it's more of

1149
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 7: a spiritual thing than the x's and those things. And

1150
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 7: I think that we have to dig deep uh and

1151
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 7: continue to exhibit uh an unwavering faith UH and not

1152
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 7: get into an.

1153
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: Energy of the now or doubts. Uh.

1154
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 7: I love Coach Ka's message leave no doubts. And today,

1155
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 7: you know, we left some doubt out there. We we

1156
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 7: we were on a three yard line with a chance

1157
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 7: to put the freaking nail in the coffin and uh

1158
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 7: and I miss steel Johnson h on a on a

1159
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 7: quick flat like that? Is that that is the details,

1160
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 7: That is the execution that is required to win to

1161
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 7: NFL games. I am so confident in our offense and

1162
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 7: the coaches that put in work day in day out,

1163
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 7: we collectively will do a better job of executing in

1164
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 7: those moments. Yeah, there's so many if ands and butts.

1165
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 7: My pastor the right to THEO Johnson, if it is

1166
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 7: four inches to the left, that's a touchdown. And we

1167
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 7: finished the game. I think It's just when you have

1168
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 7: a good offensive line and you gotta running back, they

1169
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 7: can they can throw. You got a receiver that that

1170
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 7: is working his butt off and does everything require you

1171
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 7: give him a chance. And those are morale boosters. And

1172
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,240
Speaker 7: you should have seen the sideline man and we were pumped.

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00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 6: Uh.

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00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 8: We we were excited, you know, and we need that.

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00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 7: We need that energy moving forward because that's why are

1176
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 7: our eyes are are we We're gonna we're gonna take

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00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 7: constructive criticism on this game. What are the pieces that

1178
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,760
Speaker 7: we can get better? And we're gonna use that energy

1179
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 7: to help propel us to find a way to get

1180
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 7: a win. For years, I like to consider myself an athlete.

1181
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 7: I believe that I can make plays like that for

1182
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 7: for this team. Uh If I need to play tight.

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00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: End, I can.

1184
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 14: I do whatever it is that's required for this team

1185
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 14: to have success. And uh, I'm grateful that cav gave

1186
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 14: me an opportunity and Gonna trusted me. He gave me

1187
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 14: a chance, and sometimes that's all you gotta do at

1188
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 14: the quarterback position, give you got a chance, you know.

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Speaker 14: Russell Wilson sent me a picture of doing the Heisman.

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Speaker 14: Uh in like a little I think it's called a gift.

1191
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 14: And I did the hasman and we got an end zone.

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Speaker 14: We just didn't win, guys, we gotta win.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: The old cliche tiki, and everyone loves Jamis's personality, but

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Speaker 2: I want to go here. You always want to point

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Speaker 2: with your thumb, not with your finger. And there were

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00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 2: a lot of there were a lot of other things

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00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 2: that went wrong in this game. But the play that

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Speaker 2: Jame has brought up multiple times was the pass, which

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Speaker 2: you'll argue, I think that wasn't even on.

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Speaker 1: Him, Yeah, because that was Johnson stumbled out of his break.

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00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was slightly overthrowing the THEO Johnson that he

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00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 2: thought he should have completed, which would have put.

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Speaker 1: The game away. No, of course it would have. And

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Speaker 1: again that's that's execution, and that is running a route

1206
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Speaker 1: with precision, throwing the ball on time. And I think

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Speaker 1: everything went right except for THEO stumbled. It's a it's

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00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: a a minor little thing, and it ended up costing them,

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Speaker 1: you know, scoring a touchdown there. But Jamis is gonna

1210
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 1: put the ball where it's supposed to be on time,

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Speaker 1: And so who's that on? Is it on THEO? Should

1212
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: he not stumble. Is it on Jamis to recognize that

1213
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 1: he's stumbled, and you know, maybe pause for half a second.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's execution. This is what you know. The

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00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: details of execution are varied. There are many, you know,

1216
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: parts of that equation, and it's easy to blame somebody,

1217
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: but ultimately Jamis takes the blame for it. And that's

1218
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,439
Speaker 1: why he's such a good leader for this offense. He's

1219
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: not trying to point fingers, he's not trying to even

1220
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: make an excuse. He's just saying, I gotta be better. Giants.

1221
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Speaker 2: Football is brought to you locally by Ford. One performs

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Speaker 2: SUV of the New York Giants TIKI before we say

1225
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Speaker 2: goodbye to our radio network. Giants taking on the New

1226
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,720
Speaker 2: England Patriots next week on the road on Monday Night Football.

1227
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Speaker 2: Patriots have a slow start today, but they figure things out.

1228
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Speaker 2: They end up rolling out to a victory. They end

1229
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 2: up defeating the Cincinnati Bengals twenty six to in that game.

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts, early thoughts heading into New England next week. Yeah,

1231
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: like they're a very well coached team, and you know

1232
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to play mistake free because Mike Rabold

1233
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: just like Bill Belichick his mentor, I guess in a

1234
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: sense because of his playing days. You gotta be prepared

1235
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Speaker 1: for everything. Drake May, after a slow start, I think

1236
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: you threw a pick six in this game, finished pretty

1237
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: solidly almost three hundred yards and a touchdown. And Hunter Henry,

1238
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: who was their tight end, had one hundred and fifteen

1239
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:34,439
Speaker 1: yards and a touchdown. So this team is sound. Drake

1240
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: May is playing really good football, and even though they

1241
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: didn't get explosives in their run game, Treyvon Henderson has

1242
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: been amazing in the run game. We saw it a

1243
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, so it's multi layered that they're

1244
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: gonna have to be on the lookout against a very

1245
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: well coached and super successful so far this year, Newing

1246
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: the Patriots squad at ten to two. All the player

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Speaker 1: press commerce you've heard after this game are brought to

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Speaker 1: you by MetLife, the official insurance company of the New

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00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: on our local flag substation WFAN here in New York

1251
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: City and the surrounding areas. But right now, it's time

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Speaker 1: to say goodbye to the affiliates across the country. On

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Speaker 1: the Giants Radio Network, our next broadcast will be next

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Speaker 1: Monday night, when the Giants traveled to New England to

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Speaker 1: take on New England Patriots.

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Speaker 2: On the network, the pregame show will begin at seven fifteen. Again,

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Speaker 2: the New York Giants fall to the Detroit Lions thirty

1258
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 2: four to twenty seven in overtime. Another double digit fourth

1259
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Speaker 2: quarter league goes by the wayside.

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Speaker 1: If you like what you heard here on the postgame show,

1261
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: you can listen to our.

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Speaker 2: Giants content on the Giants App, on giants dot Com,

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00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,480
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00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,520
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Speaker 2: should also check out the Giants Huddle podcast as well.

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00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 2: A rapid reaction will be going up after this game

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Speaker 2: and other great content throughout the week.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us today.

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00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 2: We will talk to you next Monday night when the

1273
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:05,479
Speaker 2: Giants visit the Patriots again.

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00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: On the network pregame show at seven point fifteen.

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Speaker 2: As for today, the Giants again fall to the Lions

1276
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 2: at overtime thirty four to twenty seven. For our entire crew,

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Speaker 2: I am John Schmelke. We will see you in a

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00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 2: week back on the Giants Radio Network. Thanks for being

1279
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 2: with us.

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Speaker 1: We'll see that. But we're not done.

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00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 2: Right here on WFN and the r Tiki Barber and

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00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 2: I will take your calls at eight eight eight eight

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Speaker 2: toh eight one zero one to nine for the next

1284
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Speaker 2: hour or so. We'll react to this. Then we'll join

1285
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Speaker 2: Nets basketball right here on the fan. More sound from

1286
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:41,919
Speaker 2: the locker room. That and a whole lot more will

1287
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 2: break it all down when we come back.

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Speaker 1: This is Javon Holland.

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Speaker 21: You're listening to Giants Football on the fan WFAN and

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00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:57,919
Speaker 21: WFA in FM New York.

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Speaker 12: Off back to throw passes it over the middle, It's

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Speaker 12: deflected and intercepted by the Giants. The Giants get the

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Speaker 12: interception of golf and it's Gavan Holland off the deflection

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Speaker 12: and the Giants force a red zone turnover, only the second.

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Speaker 1: One this year for the defense.

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Speaker 2: The one takeaway the Giants had today Javon Holland's first

1297
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Speaker 2: interception as a member of the New York Football Giants.

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Speaker 1: Let's year from Javon Holland after the.

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Speaker 22: Game on the Delay of game. I mean, you guys

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Speaker 22: in the in you know, maybe have been criticized earlier

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Speaker 22: this year for not trying to do some things to

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Speaker 22: take some seconds off the flock, because that what you're

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Speaker 22: trying to do there, just kind of sit on him

1304
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Speaker 22: a little bit and slow things down.

1305
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 23: Yep.

1306
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 22: And did you think you got off him in enough time?

1307
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 5: I mean you obviously, Oh.

1308
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 21: No, it wasn't like me laying on It was when

1309
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 21: I had knocked out. It was what it was when

1310
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 21: I knocked the ball out of his hands. Yeah, it's

1311
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 21: a good call by the ref. I was trying to

1312
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 21: knock them all out.

1313
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 8: Let it dribble a little bit longer.

1314
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 21: You know, Prince of Time, he taught me to got

1315
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 21: me right handed.

1316
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 5: Right, Here's what happens.

1317
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 22: Then you watch a fifty nine yard field goal go through.

1318
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 5: It's like, you know, all those yards are important, aren't they?

1319
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 24: Yeah?

1320
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 5: I mean definitely definitely.

1321
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 13: Your shoes shoes run sometimes you hear you know, you

1322
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 13: guys last week, the week before hurt more than it does.

1323
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 5: Now, does this hurt more than anything?

1324
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1325
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 21: I mean everyone hurts. Everyone hurts in their own way

1326
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 21: because every game is different. So but yeah, everyone knows.

1327
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 22: When you see that at the field goal, I mean,

1328
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 22: at some point, do you just think, can he just miss?

1329
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 22: You know, because nobody seems to miss against you guys,

1330
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 22: or you know, whatever needs to be done to get

1331
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 22: one more point than you guys the other team seems

1332
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 22: to get.

1333
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 5: You know, at some point, is there a luck or

1334
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 5: a fade.

1335
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 22: Or something where you're thinking, know, we just misses this

1336
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 22: field goal, we win, and then all this hard work

1337
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 22: pays off.

1338
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 21: I mean, it's just the way the chips fall, man like,

1339
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 21: it's just the it's just the way the league gives.

1340
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 21: You know, it's any Givens Sunday type of game. And

1341
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 21: uh yeah, and the kicker did his job, you know

1342
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 21: what I mean, he he executed the field goal. Kudos

1343
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 21: to him. That was a long field goal. And you know,

1344
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 21: keep it through the uprights is what they pay him.

1345
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 19: Ron have you seen leave these fourth quarters?

1346
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 4: I guess where there's like a commonwe's noo, but just

1347
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 4: quarters you see that you's fund consistently in the theition

1348
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 4: you guys are trying to get free.

1349
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 5: In the fourth quarter. Yeah, just with the fourth quarters

1350
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 5: with these leads brand like gimatically wise or.

1351
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 12: Wellmatically, it's kind of any issues you see that are

1352
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 12: recurring that you know, his losses keep happening the lead.

1353
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 8: I mean that that that question is probably been my

1354
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 8: payer and.

1355
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 9: To you do you.

1356
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 5: As a defensive player where you give it up four

1357
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 5: or five.

1358
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 1: Double edition leads to the fourth quarter, you know what's

1359
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 1: going on from.

1360
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 8: Trying your eyes, we're not executing to win the game.

1361
01:02:57,840 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 8: What you do has many good things to give me.

1362
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 8: Fust the cord.

1363
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 13: You fet a lot of good things, all kinds of leads,

1364
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 13: defective lead, and you don't get the result.

1365
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 8: How you get fulcus, I'll tell you this.

1366
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 21: I say it's difficult to not move or turn stones

1367
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 21: that don't need to be turned around. You know what

1368
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 21: I mean, cause I feel like a lot of people, uh,

1369
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 21: you know, when things keep going, they keep following the

1370
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 21: other direction, you start to feel like you need to,

1371
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 21: you know, move things that don't need to be moved,

1372
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 21: and sometimes you end.

1373
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 5: Up, you know, losing the basis of what you're doing.

1374
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 8: And I don't think we're doing that, and I think

1375
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 8: that that's a good thing.

1376
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 21: I think, you know, when when tough stuff happens in

1377
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 21: like late in a game like that, like you just

1378
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 21: have to keep on working on it until starts to

1379
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 21: go your way, honestly, you know. And you can call

1380
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 21: it like a you know, football god or something else

1381
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 21: that you know you gotta pray to or something like

1382
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 21: that to to go your way. But at the end

1383
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 21: of the day, like you just gotta execute. And it's

1384
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 21: gonna sound repetitive, you know, but that's just what it

1385
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 21: comes down to.

1386
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 9: You.

1387
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 21: You know, if they get paid to they're trying to execute,

1388
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 21: just like you're trying to execute. And uh yeah, they

1389
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 21: it just happened farther way.

1390
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 8: That's just kind of the way it is.

1391
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 21: So you just take what you get from it, learn

1392
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 21: from it, work on the things that you could have

1393
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 21: done better, to keep on working on the things that

1394
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 21: you did well so you can continue to do well

1395
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 21: those and then you go to the next week, because

1396
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 21: I mean, we can't do anything a little wit now,

1397
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 21: but learn from it. So I don't know who said it,

1398
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 21: but there's no losses. There's only wins and lessons.

1399
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 1: Wins the lessons, and the lesson is he has to

1400
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 1: get a stop to to win the game.

1401
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 2: And the play that Javon Holland for the folks that

1402
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,439
Speaker 2: maybe didn't see the game that he was being asked about,

1403
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 2: was it delay a game penalty that happened the Lions

1404
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 2: final drive with about just over a minute to go,

1405
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 2: the Lions get a first down on a twelve yard

1406
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 2: pass over the middle to Jamiir Gibbs. As Gibbs gets

1407
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 2: up to try to hustle and give the ball to

1408
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 2: the referee to put it on the ground to run

1409
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 2: that next play to spot it, Howland knocks able out

1410
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 2: of his hands. It stops the clock and he gets

1411
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 2: called for a five yard penalty so that they are

1412
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 2: first and five.

1413
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: On the next play. They go three plays.

1414
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 2: They lose five yards over the course of that on

1415
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 2: a little swing passer Jimmy or Gibbs on a great

1416
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 2: tackle by Dan Belton to lose five yards. Yeah, they

1417
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 2: end up kicking a fifty nine yard field, so it

1418
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 2: could have been a sixty four yard field. But Tiki,

1419
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 2: to your point, they could have called those plays differently.

1420
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 2: If they don't have that extra five yards off.

1421
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 1: They definitely call it differently. This is I know people

1422
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 1: will make a big deal out of it. It was boneheaded,

1423
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 1: it was stupid, but it was not the impactful difference

1424
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:25,919
Speaker 1: of the game. You can't directly correlate his penalty five

1425
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: yard the lay of game penalty for them being able

1426
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 1: to convert on a fifty nine yard field goal because

1427
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell and this Lion's offense would have called the

1428
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: offense differently. In fact, they may have put them in

1429
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 1: position to score a touchdown. Who knows, they would have

1430
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 1: been more aggressive if they had more longer to go.

1431
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 1: So it doesn't translate to me no different than in

1432
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 1: Giants going for it on fourth and goal from the

1433
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 1: six yard line and not converting it and making it

1434
01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 1: a three point game as opposed to a six point game.

1435
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions are then gonna call their offense differently, like

1436
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 1: they're gonna be more urgent. They're not gonna be okay

1437
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,479
Speaker 1: settling for a field goal, They're gonna go for for six.

1438
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 1: And the way that this defense had been given up

1439
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: big plays, who knows if that would have happened, you

1440
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 1: know what, they would have been found a way to

1441
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 1: stop it. Because they haven't. Let's be honest, the Giants

1442
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 1: have given up over the last five straight losses, right, No, six,

1443
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 1: now straight losses thirty three points, thirty eight points, thirty

1444
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 1: four points, twenty four points, twenty seven points, and now

1445
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 1: thirty seven points. So quick, man, that is over thirty points.

1446
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: I mean thirty thirty one points, right, So no, thirty

1447
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 1: four points, right, thirty four today. It just that's a

1448
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 1: lot of thirty point games, too many. You're not winning

1449
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: a lot of football games when you give up thirty points, period,

1450
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 1: You're not. That's the bigger issue for me. It's not

1451
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: the oh, you did that this play, It's why do

1452
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 1: you keep You're giving up thirty plus points over the

1453
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 1: last six weeks.

1454
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 2: I'd have to go back and count what have you

1455
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 2: the I'll do it during a break. What percentage of

1456
01:06:57,880 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 2: those points you think came in the fourth quarter?

1457
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 1: Well, I mean in the Denver game it was all

1458
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 1: thirty three, correct, yep. At least in the Philadelphia game,

1459
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 1: it probably wasn't because that game was away. Fourteen points

1460
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 1: in the Philadelphia game came in the first in the

1461
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, so that's already forty seven, right. And then

1462
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 1: against the forty nine Ers, fourteen points came in the

1463
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, that's sixty one. It's just I mean, it's

1464
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 1: a lot of adds up. It adds up, and then

1465
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 1: you throw in the Bears game, another fourteen points came in,

1466
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 1: so that's seventy four in the fourth quarter. And then

1467
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 1: you throw in the big the Green Bay Packers that

1468
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 1: was eight. So now you're up to eighty two. And

1469
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 1: then this last game it's ten I think ten, and

1470
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 1: then if and then ninety two.

1471
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 6: Years.

1472
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 1: It's basically one hundred points in the fourth quarter and

1473
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 1: beyond over the last six games. That's that's not good.

1474
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 2: And you know it's one point if that's happening when

1475
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 2: you're up three touchdowns and you give it up garbage

1476
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 2: time Price, But that was not the case right in

1477
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 2: these games. You the ones with the lead in a

1478
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 2: lot of those games and giving it up. So it

1479
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 2: has to get better, Harvey and Dix. Hill's your first

1480
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 2: year on Giants. Extra point, Harvey, what's going on up, Harvey?

1481
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 25: How are you had to throw up my notes again?

1482
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, we all did, Harvey.

1483
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 8: What do you got I know?

1484
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 25: Anyway? You know to me, you said it all the

1485
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:30,679
Speaker 25: Giants are prone to giving up very big plays. Otherwise

1486
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 25: they probably be winning and why did they give up

1487
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 25: big plays? You know, I talked last week about the

1488
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 25: two weeks ago about not properly setting the edge, whether

1489
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 25: it's the linebackers, the defensive end, or integrating the rest

1490
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:46,719
Speaker 25: of the defense into effective blitzing where you you blitz

1491
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 25: when you want when you want to, not what you

1492
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 25: need to. And also, you know, I was also spoiled

1493
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 25: by week modern Dale and his element of surprise and

1494
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 25: it's musical chairs as I call the defense. Explain to

1495
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 25: me what we want. Neil did that. Shane Owen, Shane

1496
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 25: Bowen hasn't done.

1497
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 2: Okay, well Wavey, I would say that he's guys more aggressive.

1498
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 2: Two very different approaches to defense. There are different theories

1499
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:12,640
Speaker 2: of playing defense in the National Football League, and by

1500
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 2: the way, both work depending on how you want to

1501
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 2: run and what type of personnel that you have. And

1502
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 2: Wing Martindell was I want to dictate the terms by

1503
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:23,679
Speaker 2: creating pressure up front.

1504
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 1: Now that has his own issues.

1505
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 2: People forget the Giants had the twenty seventh ranked defense

1506
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 2: in Wing Martindale's last last year here.

1507
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 1: It did not go well, right, and you're susceptible to

1508
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 1: big plays when you play as aggressively as Wink does,

1509
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 1: and especially when you're asking guys and this was a

1510
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 1: caveon Thibodeau issue that people brought up in the win defense.

1511
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 1: Why wasn't he getting more pressures? Well, it was because

1512
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 1: twenty five to thirty percent of the time he was

1513
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 1: dropping into coverage. And so you do these zone blitzes

1514
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 1: where you draw, you bring extra pressure from one side,

1515
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 1: you got to drop the opposing defensive end, and it

1516
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 1: just you put guys in positions where they weren't playing

1517
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:01,759
Speaker 1: at their most ideal spots.

1518
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 2: And also when you're playing against and I think, look,

1519
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:07,719
Speaker 2: I think that type of defense can work against inexperienced quarterbacks.

1520
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 2: When you're playing against inte you can speak this better

1521
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 2: than me. When you're playing against veteran quarterbacks that have

1522
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 2: seen a lot of that stuff before, it's hard to

1523
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:15,600
Speaker 2: fool them with a lot of.

1524
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:18,600
Speaker 1: Them because when you in particularly what I was just

1525
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 1: alluding to, his zone pressure where someone's dropping and the

1526
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 1: other side's coming. If you're smart, you get it, you

1527
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 1: get it blocked up, you make it right for your

1528
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 1: offensive line, and all of a sudden, you're just you're

1529
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 1: just throwing a ball free into zones and you know

1530
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 1: one guy playing zone has no idea what he's doing

1531
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 1: in coverage.

1532
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 16: TEK.

1533
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 25: Can I make one more point please us? Yeah, It'll

1534
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 25: be very quick. You know, I don't want to talk

1535
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,680
Speaker 25: about the whole issue of chronic traumatic and cephalopasy, but

1536
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 25: I'm going to make this point as a doctor, practicing doctor.

1537
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 25: I'm not a neurologist. But I was the first to

1538
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:52,600
Speaker 25: talk on FBN about UH about upgraded football helments. And

1539
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 25: when the Redell came up with the revolution of the

1540
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:56,639
Speaker 25: zenus that had.

1541
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 2: A se.

1542
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 25: Decrease in concussions. And I actually brought that up and

1543
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 25: Joe and Evan show U a long time ago and

1544
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 25: with the call banks and call Banks remembers that. Okay,

1545
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 25: of course, and fast forward to now with Jackson Dawd

1546
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:15,719
Speaker 25: and his concussions. I just want to answer this question.

1547
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 25: There are there were, There are called guardian caps. The

1548
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 25: kids are using it, they're using it in practice, and

1549
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 25: there are mixed mixed results in the studies that I've reviewed.

1550
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 25: It seems to me that why can't that be used

1551
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 25: in the regular games?

1552
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 20: They can?

1553
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 25: There's just like a Harvey you can't.

1554
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:33,680
Speaker 19: You can.

1555
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 2: There are some played like like Romeo Dobbs. For example,

1556
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 2: we saw last week in the Giants played the Packers,

1557
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:39,639
Speaker 2: he was one of the Guardian caps.

1558
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 1: Romeo Dobs he wears. He wears a Guardian cap. There's

1559
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys around the league that do do it,

1560
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 1: and it's mostly guys who have had repeated concussions. I've

1561
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:49,599
Speaker 1: got to be honest with you, Harvey. The reason guys

1562
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:53,639
Speaker 1: don't wear it is because you look silly. It doesn't

1563
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 1: look cool.

1564
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:57,720
Speaker 2: I believe that one of the modern helmets, the new

1565
01:11:57,800 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 2: ones that came out this year, I believe has the

1566
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 2: Goardian cap technology built into it.

1567
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 1: It's just larger. I think one of them, you know,

1568
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,799
Speaker 1: you know, but guys kind of like morevn the Martian,

1569
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 1: you know, the Great Kazoo is that Harvey said something interesting,

1570
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 1: and he's right about this, is that the results that

1571
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 1: the empirical results of of the studies based on the

1572
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 1: new helmet technologies and even the Guardian cap are mixed.

1573
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 1: And the reason is it, a concussion doesn't happen when

1574
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 1: you get hit hard. A concussion happens when your brain

1575
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 1: hits the inside of your skull and tiki my theory.

1576
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:42,679
Speaker 1: And so if you have a cushion, a bigger cushion,

1577
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 1: It doesn't stop your brain from moving.

1578
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 2: And I think, Tiki, I think concussions is not even

1579
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 2: how hard you get hit. It's about whether or not

1580
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:52,759
Speaker 2: you're ready for the hit. If you can brace yourself

1581
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:54,560
Speaker 2: for a hit. No, you can limit that stuff. But

1582
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 2: if you don't see it coming you, it can even

1583
01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 2: less violent ones can get you.

1584
01:12:58,360 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: So you don't you don't know how right you are.

1585
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 1: So when I was working at the Today Show and

1586
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:04,560
Speaker 1: the concussion issue was becoming a big issue. This was

1587
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:07,600
Speaker 1: right after I retired, did we did a story on

1588
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 1: concussions in youth sports, and so we studied. The study

1589
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:17,640
Speaker 1: was basically around football and recreational sports like skiing on

1590
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and then soccer. Now, the highest instances

1591
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 1: of concussions in high school turned out to be in

1592
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 1: women's soccer. Interesting, and the reason was and they usually

1593
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 1: they don't allow you know, heading, but the reason was

1594
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 1: because the female neck for these teenage kids girls is

1595
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 1: not as strong. So your neck is not as strong.

1596
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 1: Interest Therefore, to your point, when even if you know

1597
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 1: a hits coming, you can't brace yourself as effectively, like

1598
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 1: you can't stop your head from bubbleheading, right, whereas a

1599
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 1: football player or I don't know, a bodybuilder or a

1600
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 1: weightlifter or somebody like that boxer, they know that they

1601
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 1: contents their next to stop their head from shaking as

1602
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 1: violently and thus preventing uh, you know, as much contact

1603
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:09,759
Speaker 1: brain to skull because of the violent nature of the movement.

1604
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 1: So you're right, it's it is next string. It's not.

1605
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily you know how hard you got hit.

1606
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 1: It's how hard can your body brace your neck from reacting?

1607
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:20,639
Speaker 1: And that goes back to the dark play last week.

1608
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 1: And I said this to you off the air.

1609
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 2: If he doesn't fumble that ball and he's not reaching

1610
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 2: for it, he's probably able to brace himself and he

1611
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,600
Speaker 2: might not get concussed. The fact that he's reaching for

1612
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 2: the ball. He's not thinking about falling to the ground.

1613
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:34,599
Speaker 1: Correct, he's relaxed. It's like it's like the car accident

1614
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:38,320
Speaker 1: where the person who is tense for it and sees

1615
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 1: it coming gets seriously hurt, right, and so but the

1616
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 1: guy who is relaxed it's different in car accidents, doesn't

1617
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,640
Speaker 1: doesn't feel it, but maybe he gets concussed. I think

1618
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 1: the challenges is being ready for contact. If you're not

1619
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 1: ready for contact, you're gonna get hit you.

1620
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:55,640
Speaker 2: You are never going to be able to eliminate the

1621
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 2: risk completely. Try to minimize in the marth.

1622
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 1: By the way, not that we're going to get in

1623
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 1: this deep conversation about please not a CTE chronic tramatic ensompholepathy.

1624
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 1: But it's also certain guys deal with it better, right,

1625
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 1: Certain the physiology of an individual I think matters, and

1626
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 1: how you recover from a concussion and whether or not

1627
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 1: you're more or less susceptible. There's also an alcohol component.

1628
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 1: You know a lot of guys from the old school era,

1629
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 1: they get beat up on a football field and then

1630
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 1: they go drink a handle, you know what I mean,

1631
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 1: or have eight beers and alcohol does not help generate

1632
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:32,559
Speaker 1: brain cells.

1633
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 16: We know that.

1634
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:35,839
Speaker 1: Let's go to James in North Arlington.

1635
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 23: He's up next, Hi James, Well, j K, there's no

1636
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 23: doubt that you are definitely the Ivy League.

1637
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 1: I appreciate that.

1638
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 26: Your children are all Ivy League schools and that's perfect.

1639
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 26: The thing is that I love when you talk about

1640
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 26: how they may have played the game different and actually

1641
01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:59,679
Speaker 26: of course when they didn't go for the field goals

1642
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 26: and they went for the touchdown. They didn't get it,

1643
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 26: but that Detroit that was good at the least tied

1644
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 26: the school right, So all the game plans probably was

1645
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:12,719
Speaker 26: to the giant advantage. And I'm so happy that again

1646
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,600
Speaker 26: someone who really knows football can talk about that. The

1647
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 26: only thing that maybe I like to ask you about it.

1648
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 26: And Carl Banks didn't make a point about this, and

1649
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:23,640
Speaker 26: I was, you know, how good, how good car was?

1650
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 26: He did say that Dexter Lawrence being out, he's the

1651
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:30,679
Speaker 26: best player on defense, maybe should have been on the field.

1652
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 26: And one of that, maybe I've changed the play, the

1653
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 26: play that they ran on the first down, he didn't

1654
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:38,000
Speaker 26: have plenty of time to rest.

1655
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, maybe it's a good question, Jay, because

1656
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 1: you're right they did have the ten minute break between

1657
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter and overtime, and he was also on

1658
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 1: the field the first playoff to two minute warning, if

1659
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 1: I recall. So I think I don't know. I don't

1660
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 1: know the reason because I don't know. I'm not having

1661
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:57,560
Speaker 1: conversations with dex I'm not having conversation with anybody on

1662
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:01,639
Speaker 1: that staff. But they're saying he was nick up with something.

1663
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 1: Whatever that means. It is what it is. I feel

1664
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 1: like they got used, They got into a pattern of

1665
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 1: just using him in pass rushing situations as opposed to rundowns.

1666
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 1: And John looked this up statistically, according to EPA, that's

1667
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 1: expected points. Attic added, it's a it's an maybe useless

1668
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:24,720
Speaker 1: stat but it doesn't even matter. The Giants are marginally

1669
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 1: better without Dexter Lawrence in the run game. Marginally, it's marginal,

1670
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:32,680
Speaker 1: it's not significant, doesn't mean anything. And so if you're

1671
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 1: trying to keep decks healthy and effective in the most

1672
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:38,680
Speaker 1: important parts of a game, you're gonna wrest them on

1673
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 1: first thing. And he has been a better pass rusher

1674
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:45,599
Speaker 1: than run stop for all year. And uh, the Giants

1675
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 1: given up that huge play on the first play of

1676
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 1: overtime is just it's just the Lions executing superiorly. There

1677
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 1: was a hat on a hat for everybody in the

1678
01:17:56,360 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 1: front seven, and Jamiir Gibbs is not really in danger

1679
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 1: of getting tackled until he's in the second level and

1680
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:06,560
Speaker 1: then he runs away from the linebacker, runs around the

1681
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:10,520
Speaker 1: safeties and goes sixty nine yards untouched. That's just it's

1682
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 1: just bad run fitting by the Giants. And I don't

1683
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 1: know if dexter makes a difference, there probably not. I

1684
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 1: think defensive scheme makes a difference. The defensive play call,

1685
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:21,639
Speaker 1: meaning you know they're going to run the football, run

1686
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 1: a run a game, run a TT game, or do

1687
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 1: something different or dog a gap or something like that.

1688
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:29,680
Speaker 1: The Giants set back and the Lions took advantage of it.

1689
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 1: And again I'll say this again, I said this before.

1690
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 1: If you give it an eight yard run, that's the

1691
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 1: four of the defensive lineman. Do you give an eighty

1692
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:38,599
Speaker 1: yard run right or sixty nine yard run? And that's

1693
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 1: the second look at.

1694
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 2: The defensive lines have something to do with it, but

1695
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 2: the second and third levels have a lot more to

1696
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 2: do with it than your defensive line.

1697
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 1: We talked to my buddy Lomas Brown, former Giant, former

1698
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 1: Lion everything, he's been a longtime analyst on Detroit Lion Radio.

1699
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 1: He said it and it was.

1700
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:52,600
Speaker 2: It was.

1701
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 1: It was almost felt inevitable, but it was prophetic. He said,

1702
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 1: Tamir Gibbs is that kind of player. You give six,

1703
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:01,599
Speaker 1: he takes six. And he also said that the lines

1704
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 1: were trying to run it more up the middle, too right,

1705
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:04,760
Speaker 1: and run it more downhill one.

1706
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 2: Because it was that's how you create big plays. And

1707
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:09,720
Speaker 2: it wasn't issues to the edge today. It has been

1708
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 2: before Today today was not an edge issue.

1709
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:13,280
Speaker 1: For the Giants. I had a lot of big plays

1710
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 1: in my career. Most of them came between the tackles.

1711
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 1: It wasn't running around the edges and make creating a

1712
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 1: big play. You get downhill quickly, use your explosiveness, make

1713
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 1: a guy miss and go go to the house. That's

1714
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 1: what Jamir Gibbs brought today for two hundred plus yard

1715
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:29,719
Speaker 1: two hundred and nineteen to be exact, plus another forty

1716
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 1: five receiving and three touchdowns. And I thought James made

1717
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 1: a good point.

1718
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:34,559
Speaker 2: By the way, there are some analytics studies that say

1719
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:38,559
Speaker 2: you'd rather be up by three than be up by

1720
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 2: six because it motivates the other team to be more

1721
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:45,680
Speaker 2: aggressive to go for a touchdown rather than being satisfied

1722
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 2: to play for a field goal. Another reason why going

1723
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 2: for it there and makes sense going forward. I didn't

1724
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 2: mind that, And it was the play calling. It was

1725
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 2: the now, all of a sudden, you know that the

1726
01:19:55,880 --> 01:20:00,800
Speaker 2: Lions are using their timeouts, that if you're gonna throw

1727
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 2: the ball, throw on first down, don't don't run on

1728
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 2: first throw. On second run, on third run on fourth

1729
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:09,599
Speaker 2: just did the sequence didn't make sense throw on forth

1730
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:11,640
Speaker 2: They threw on fourth down, yeah they did.

1731
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm talking about the one before. Yeah, right,

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01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 1: right right, they threw on fourth down. So regardless, it

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01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 1: was the sequence of plays that were frustrating to me.

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01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 1: And ultimately, you gotta trust your offensive play caller because

1735
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 1: he's actually has done a good job in the red

1736
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 1: area this year. The Giants, I mean, over the last

1737
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 1: couple of years have been horrendous in the red I

1738
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:39,519
Speaker 1: mean bad and and they're not much better ranking wise

1739
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:42,759
Speaker 1: this season, but they have scored a lot more points

1740
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 1: than they have in previous years.

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01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 2: Last couple of weeks there I've been some situations they've

1742
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:48,160
Speaker 2: been down there. They have not been able to punch

1743
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 2: it in there, which has been a problem throughout the

1744
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 2: last couple of years as well. To be completely frank,

1745
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 2: let's take a time out, we'll come back, continue to

1746
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:57,879
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Speaker 4: This is Mike Kafka, head coach of the New York Giants,

1754
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 4: and you're listening to the radio home of Big Blue

1755
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:19,559
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01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:21,840
Speaker 2: Back here on Giants extra point. Ticky, you would take

1757
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:24,599
Speaker 2: another look at that four play sequence after the Giants

1758
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 2: had its first and goal at the four.

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01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so on Tyrone Tracy running hard, eleven yard run,

1760
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 1: gets down to the four yard line. It's first and four.

1761
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 1: They run off tackle Tracy to the to the right.

1762
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 1: He gets two yards. Then on second down, this is

1763
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 1: the play that Jameis Winston talked about extensively. You know,

1764
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 1: just missing by four inches to the right, if you'd

1765
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 1: have thrown it four and just to the left. Theo

1766
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 1: Johnson catches a ball, it's a touchdown that they go

1767
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 1: up by two scores and there's you know, three minutes

1768
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 1: left on the clock and again by no means is

1769
01:21:55,960 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 1: the game over. But you know, the criticism is at

1770
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:03,559
Speaker 1: what point in game management theory, because that's what we're

1771
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 1: talking about now, Game management theory, do you force the

1772
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:10,840
Speaker 1: opposing team to use their timeouts so that when they

1773
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 1: do eventually get the ball back, it's kind of all

1774
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:15,879
Speaker 1: hurry up, and then you, in theory, have an advantage.

1775
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:18,840
Speaker 1: And so on first down they run for two yards,

1776
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 1: Detroit calls a timeout. On second down you throw an incompletion.

1777
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 1: Then on third down you bring in Aaron Stinny, so

1778
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 1: everybody knows that you're running the ball. You run, you

1779
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 1: get nothing, and you're then forced to throw it on

1780
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 1: fourth down, which was an incomplete pass. So a series

1781
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 1: that started immediate least a goal to go situation that

1782
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 1: started with three minutes in nineteen seconds on the clock

1783
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 1: ends with two minutes and forty fifty four seconds on

1784
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 1: the clock, So you used a minute in twenty seconds.

1785
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 1: You didn't use nearly enough time in that situation. So

1786
01:22:58,040 --> 01:22:59,680
Speaker 1: it should be if you're going to throw the ball,

1787
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 1: throwt up first down because you're gonna catch everybody by

1788
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 1: surprise because it's first down and four a first with

1789
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,639
Speaker 1: four to go, and then run, run and then maybe

1790
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 1: run again. But you got to run clock or at

1791
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:13,679
Speaker 1: least force them to use time out. So game management theory,

1792
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 1: it didn't work in the Giants favor ultimately, All.

1793
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:19,719
Speaker 2: Right, let's go to Robbie and Lennox. He's up next, Robbie, Hey, guys,

1794
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:24,640
Speaker 2: how you doing good? Go ahead, Robbie, we got you.

1795
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 2: I think he broke up. Robbie, I think we got

1796
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:29,680
Speaker 2: a We lost, yeah, but we'll try to get you

1797
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:31,599
Speaker 2: back up. Let's go to Stephen Rockland in the meantime, Steve,

1798
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:32,080
Speaker 2: what's going on?

1799
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 1: Hey, what's up?

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01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 9: So there are a couple of things. First of all,

1801
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:43,400
Speaker 9: I think now Giant fans need to understand there there,

1802
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:45,400
Speaker 9: and it's been for a while. There's no such a

1803
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:46,800
Speaker 9: thing as a moral victory.

1804
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 1: Right, no doubt forget that victories matter, not morals victory,

1805
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 1: thank you?

1806
01:23:52,880 --> 01:24:00,360
Speaker 9: Number two? How absurd is it that this defense is

1807
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 9: arguably going to have a player who's going to be

1808
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 9: a finalist for NFL Defensive Player of the Year, right,

1809
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 9: think about that? And number three to Harvey's point, and

1810
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 9: Bob said it during the radio broadcast that hit on Londell.

1811
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:24,040
Speaker 9: If it was college this, I mean, I'm going to

1812
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:27,680
Speaker 9: quote him close to verbatim. If this was college, he

1813
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:29,759
Speaker 9: would have been thrown out of the game for targeting.

1814
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:32,799
Speaker 9: And I want to know if the NFL was so serious.

1815
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 9: To Harvey's point, if they're so serious, or if they

1816
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 9: want to be serious about player safety, why they can't

1817
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:45,559
Speaker 9: institute like a replay booth devoted to those teams.

1818
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:47,120
Speaker 1: Steve, I'll be honest with you, Steve.

1819
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:48,760
Speaker 2: I don't think if you put that rule on it

1820
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 2: would change how defensive players hit it all.

1821
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 1: I really don't.

1822
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 2: I don't think it would make a difference because I'm

1823
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:58,000
Speaker 2: not speaking to that play specifically. A lot of times,

1824
01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 2: the way the receivers are moving coming down from the

1825
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:03,320
Speaker 2: jumping catch er, moving their body trying to make a move,

1826
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:04,679
Speaker 2: and there's helmet helmet contact.

1827
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 1: A lot of times it's not intentional. It just happens.

1828
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 2: Guys are going really fast, so while so while you're

1829
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 2: punishing the player, and I understand why you would want

1830
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:13,400
Speaker 2: to is it a dangerous play?

1831
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 1: And Tiki please disagree if you're wrong. No, I think

1832
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 1: you're right. I don't think it's gonna change how players

1833
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 1: play it.

1834
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 9: Okay, that's fair to a point. But I think that

1835
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 9: there's an ejection attached to it and it's being reviewed.

1836
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:30,599
Speaker 9: That's something that you know, that's something I'm that most

1837
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:33,760
Speaker 9: of the time ninety something percent of the time. Yeah,

1838
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:36,759
Speaker 9: you'll be able to tell the difference between intense.

1839
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, Steve and Steve you are absolutely right because I

1840
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:43,240
Speaker 1: think honestly in this Brian Branch appreciates you call penalty

1841
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:46,200
Speaker 1: on Wando Robinson early in this game. I don't think

1842
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 1: that was intentional. I think Brian Brian Branch was coming

1843
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:52,920
Speaker 1: down to make a play on Wanda Robinson, who, let's

1844
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:54,360
Speaker 1: face it, he's five to seven, and so when you

1845
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 1: go to make a form tackle and your helmet comes down,

1846
01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:03,840
Speaker 1: you're you're you're gonna unwittingly sometimes contact head to head

1847
01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:06,639
Speaker 1: and and look, you got a penalty, which is which

1848
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:10,640
Speaker 1: was justified and it was the right call. However, the

1849
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:12,679
Speaker 1: last thing you want to do he took the words

1850
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:18,320
Speaker 1: out of it by putting in a subjective adjudication back

1851
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:22,720
Speaker 1: into the game is create penalties that are detrimental to

1852
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 1: the have the game is going to be played and

1853
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 1: the quality of the game.

1854
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:28,720
Speaker 2: Do you want a referee in the box making a

1855
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 2: judgment call nice to whether a hit to the head

1856
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:35,120
Speaker 2: was intentional? Can you imagine your talk shows on Monday

1857
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:38,680
Speaker 2: after the Super Bowl, Like let's say, for example, the

1858
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 2: Eagles make the Super Bowl and Cooper de jen hits

1859
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 2: some guy in the head over the middle, and then

1860
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:46,519
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter you have Keeley Ringo in the

1861
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:48,120
Speaker 2: game instead of him, and he gets up an eighty

1862
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 2: r touchdown play.

1863
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 1: They might burn Philadelphia to the ground if something like

1864
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,800
Speaker 1: that happened. No, you're right, So it's you just can't

1865
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 1: put that kind of I'll use the word, but it's

1866
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 1: probably the wrong right context. Power power into somebody who's

1867
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 1: not on the field.

1868
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 2: You want to limit the amount of judgment calls. That

1869
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:10,720
Speaker 2: that's my always opinion. If you can take the rule

1870
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:13,800
Speaker 2: book and limit the amount of judgment calls you're asking

1871
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 2: you guys to make in real time as much as

1872
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:15,640
Speaker 2: you can.

1873
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 1: That's the goal. Make things black and white. That's adding

1874
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 1: a whole other layer into this that.

1875
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 2: I mean, if you think the Rougheree discourse is bad,

1876
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:25,960
Speaker 2: now just just wait till you do something like that.

1877
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:29,919
Speaker 2: I understand Steve, your your goals are noble and they're admirable.

1878
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 2: You want to try to get ten injuries out of

1879
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:33,760
Speaker 2: the game and blows the head. I'm with you, but

1880
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:35,800
Speaker 2: I think that it can get it can get a

1881
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 2: little better. Let's start robbing and let us again, Robbie,

1882
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:38,559
Speaker 2: what's up?

1883
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 23: Hey, guys?

1884
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:41,800
Speaker 24: On speak guys. Let me tell you something we all know.

1885
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:44,320
Speaker 24: It's not buying aable Mike Cofta as a complete and

1886
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:46,720
Speaker 24: facilit Okay, let's start with the third and let's start

1887
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:48,680
Speaker 24: with a third and six call? What the hell are

1888
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 24: you doing running the ball thirty six? You're trying to

1889
01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:52,719
Speaker 24: tie the game? You're running the ball third.

1890
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:53,200
Speaker 23: Down and six?

1891
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:54,400
Speaker 16: Are you kidding me?

1892
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:55,040
Speaker 19: Tim?

1893
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:58,560
Speaker 23: Is that? And then look you what Tiki want to

1894
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:00,400
Speaker 23: kick the field and one to six? They would lost

1895
01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:03,680
Speaker 23: by a point? Supiment And how many times do we

1896
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:05,280
Speaker 23: have to see a guy one around?

1897
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 1: I felt the same way, Robbie, week.

1898
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:10,920
Speaker 23: After week after week. We've been seeing this forever and ever.

1899
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:13,840
Speaker 23: The last time the Giants had an ultimour linebacker and

1900
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 23: tonyal Pierce twenty five years ago. If Mike Mike, I

1901
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:21,640
Speaker 23: was Shane. We're keeping this shop. If Joe Shane is

1902
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 23: back next year, please, I can't take it anymore.

1903
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 20: I was shaven keeping this job.

1904
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:29,760
Speaker 2: Well, I you almost, I gotta tell you, Robbie, and

1905
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 2: I look, I agree with you on the on the

1906
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:34,640
Speaker 2: if if if they kicked the if they kissed the

1907
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 2: field goal and the Giants would lose by a point.

1908
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:40,160
Speaker 1: That's what I felt like was going to happen. I mean,

1909
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:42,640
Speaker 1: we've seen it happen one I just you knew what

1910
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:44,200
Speaker 1: that was gonna happen. They were gonna be more aggressive

1911
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 1: and go for and go for a touchdown as opposed

1912
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 1: to settling and being conservative and kicking a field goal

1913
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 1: and thus giving the Giants a chance in overtime. But

1914
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:53,720
Speaker 1: you know, we John and I were talking about Shane

1915
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 1: Bowen before this game, before our show even started, and

1916
01:28:57,560 --> 01:29:01,599
Speaker 1: in some ways you realize that he's got a hand

1917
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:05,439
Speaker 1: tied behind his back. He has some really good players

1918
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:07,639
Speaker 1: on this defensive side of the ball, Brian Burns being

1919
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:10,439
Speaker 1: one of them. But Kavon Thibodeau is out, and he's

1920
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 1: probably been playing compromise for the last three weeks prior

1921
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 1: to him being out over the last two. Abdul Carter

1922
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:18,640
Speaker 1: is a rookie. You look at you know, the the

1923
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:23,000
Speaker 1: Paulson Adebo signing, the Javon Holland Siling signing. These were

1924
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 1: big offseason signings. And again all this is on the

1925
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball. Dexter Lawrence is supposed to

1926
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:32,479
Speaker 1: be this elite top end player. None of those guys,

1927
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:35,599
Speaker 1: except for maybe Brian Burns, is playing at an an

1928
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:37,840
Speaker 1: elite level. And that's not mentioning all the injuries in

1929
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 1: the secondary that you've dealt with the last one. And

1930
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:44,000
Speaker 1: so here we have Shane Bowen, who's getting a ton

1931
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 1: of criticism week over week over week. I actually thought

1932
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 1: this year, or this game, he called it correctly. He

1933
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 1: called it well. He even had an un an un

1934
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:58,240
Speaker 1: an ununbl pressures, which is something that's been one of

1935
01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:01,400
Speaker 1: the worst in the league at creating seventh fewest league

1936
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:04,120
Speaker 1: this year. Let's look at what happened in this game.

1937
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:07,479
Speaker 1: It was misstackles. It was Dame Belton in the whole

1938
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:11,439
Speaker 1: seven yard game on Jamior Gibbs completely whiffing with both

1939
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 1: hands on his body and he goes forty nine yards

1940
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:15,639
Speaker 1: down to the two yard line. He's going a touchdown

1941
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:18,040
Speaker 1: on the next play of wide open in the flat.

1942
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:22,200
Speaker 1: You have overtime, a sixty nine yard jaunt by Jamiir

1943
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:25,840
Speaker 1: Gibbs where everybody's just poorly executing what they're asked to

1944
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:29,040
Speaker 1: do and they take advantage of it. At what point

1945
01:30:29,240 --> 01:30:31,720
Speaker 1: is it on the player and not necessarily on the

1946
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:35,160
Speaker 1: play call defensively. So I feel like his hands are

1947
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:38,080
Speaker 1: tied because what else can he do other than truly

1948
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 1: compromising and being risky by bringing all out pressure on

1949
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 1: almost every almost every play. You can't do that, And

1950
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 1: they're not good enough in their secondary And I understand

1951
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:49,280
Speaker 1: we're playing. We're playing Zaiir Barnes and Neville Hewett. Those

1952
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:53,040
Speaker 1: guys were brought here, Swaysey Boseman to be special team aces.

1953
01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:56,760
Speaker 1: Swayzy Boseman is getting significant stats in this game. Nick

1954
01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:59,639
Speaker 1: Jones played a lot in this game. Hory Black wasn't

1955
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:01,960
Speaker 1: on this team. Of course. Rico Peyton, I'm like, who

1956
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:05,920
Speaker 1: the hell is Rico Peyton? So what do you? You

1957
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:09,080
Speaker 1: can't call a defense in any kind of aggressive nature

1958
01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:12,080
Speaker 1: with a with a group of second and third level

1959
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:15,680
Speaker 1: players that you simply don't know or trust. Yeah, and look,

1960
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:19,599
Speaker 1: I understand you listened to point Total Sticky.

1961
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:22,280
Speaker 2: You just list the point totals. You look at the

1962
01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 2: fourth quarter points allowed and the collapses that they've had.

1963
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:25,559
Speaker 1: It's a lot.

1964
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 2: I and look, if you look at the overall results,

1965
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:31,479
Speaker 2: I understand why fans would want to change, of course,

1966
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:34,040
Speaker 2: I totally get it. But when you dig a little

1967
01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:37,400
Speaker 2: bit deeper, you understand why things are being done the

1968
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:39,040
Speaker 2: way they are doesn't mean that they're right. It doesn't

1969
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:40,280
Speaker 2: mean it can't be done a little bit better in

1970
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:40,760
Speaker 2: certain ways.

1971
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:43,559
Speaker 1: And all that stuff. I get all that, but there

1972
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:45,479
Speaker 1: are overriding issues that you have to take a look at.

1973
01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:45,519
Speaker 16: You.

1974
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:47,519
Speaker 1: Let's go to Richie and Queens. He's up next. Say Richie,

1975
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:49,320
Speaker 1: good morning.

1976
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 6: She say good afternoon, guy, Richie. Hey we still Chadley John.

1977
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:55,920
Speaker 6: You know how I feel a defense. It just saw

1978
01:31:56,320 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 6: terrible five hundred yardds, you know. And what it gets

1979
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:04,120
Speaker 6: me too, is that that's fine teak, and that they

1980
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:07,360
Speaker 6: score how quickly and obviously, you know when somebody scores

1981
01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 6: and you take to a three minutes off the park,

1982
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:11,679
Speaker 6: obviously it can be a positive if you have a lead,

1983
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:14,360
Speaker 6: but they give it up so quickly, and you know

1984
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:16,360
Speaker 6: it's gotten nice guys. And I'm going to sound like

1985
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:19,320
Speaker 6: yo guy in Avalcony, okay when and I agree with you.

1986
01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:21,320
Speaker 6: Take I thought it was terrible coal down at the

1987
01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 6: one yard line. You know, you throw a pass and

1988
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:27,800
Speaker 6: second down and you get caught. And yeah, my feeling was, well,

1989
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:29,400
Speaker 6: fort and six, they're going to kick a field goal.

1990
01:32:29,400 --> 01:32:30,880
Speaker 6: And then I thought, wait a minute. This is an

1991
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 6: offensive lead now because if this is three years ago,

1992
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:37,200
Speaker 6: even three years ago at fourteen six with a three

1993
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 6: point lead, my feeling is they don't go for it.

1994
01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:42,559
Speaker 6: But now it's gotten to a point like, oh my goodness,

1995
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:44,400
Speaker 6: we're going to give up a touchdown. You still got

1996
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:46,320
Speaker 6: to give up a touchdown? Do I think it was

1997
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:48,760
Speaker 6: the most egregious play. I'm not going to second guess it.

1998
01:32:49,479 --> 01:32:52,040
Speaker 6: I kind of am, but I don't. I can understand

1999
01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:54,400
Speaker 6: it to a point, but it's gotten to a point

2000
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:57,559
Speaker 6: now where it's no longer hey, we can stop them

2001
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:00,320
Speaker 6: on the defense one time, because they seem like they

2002
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:03,880
Speaker 6: don't to a point like, wow, we have to be

2003
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:06,920
Speaker 6: up two scores because there's no way we can win

2004
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:10,400
Speaker 6: the game up six. No, you're right, points score touchdowns.

2005
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:15,599
Speaker 6: So I just it's just it is so frustrating and Cascar.

2006
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:18,559
Speaker 6: It could be Obviously it would have been a big win.

2007
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:21,960
Speaker 6: Winston looked really good, but like like I talked about

2008
01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:24,760
Speaker 6: John on Saturday, it's when you're bad. You lose ten

2009
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:27,720
Speaker 6: to seven, you lose fourteen to ten, and you lose

2010
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:28,240
Speaker 6: thirty two.

2011
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:30,719
Speaker 1: You do whatever it takes to lose the game. Richie

2012
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:32,840
Speaker 1: is your point. Right. No, that's exactly right. And the

2013
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 1: Giants have done this over and over and over and

2014
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:38,400
Speaker 1: over again. And in fact, with this loss up by

2015
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:42,560
Speaker 1: ten points, the Giants have the most road losses in

2016
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:47,120
Speaker 1: NFL season up ten points in NFL history. That's five

2017
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 1: road losses up ten points in NFL history. Best thing

2018
01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:55,240
Speaker 1: the nine New England Patriots or the eighty eight ninety

2019
01:33:55,280 --> 01:33:57,880
Speaker 1: eight Colts for the ninety four of those five ten

2020
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:00,280
Speaker 1: point leads have come in the fourth quarter. That's exactly right.

2021
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:03,519
Speaker 1: So this is I mean, the defense has been an

2022
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:06,719
Speaker 1: issue despite what we just went through, the defense having

2023
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:09,160
Speaker 1: the largest cap situation on this team.

2024
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 2: And by the way, I'll say this too, and obviously

2025
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:13,640
Speaker 2: when you look at the numbers, even the rankings and

2026
01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:15,280
Speaker 2: any of the stats, it's much more in the defense

2027
01:34:15,320 --> 01:34:18,240
Speaker 2: and the offense. But the offense has had some opportunities

2028
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:21,519
Speaker 2: in these fourth quarters to bail the defense out and

2029
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:24,800
Speaker 2: not give the and not give the defense a chance

2030
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:27,120
Speaker 2: to blow the game, right, and they've been able to

2031
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:28,920
Speaker 2: hold up their end of the bargain in those spots.

2032
01:34:28,680 --> 01:34:32,240
Speaker 1: Either, right, No, I mean, they have every opportunity to

2033
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:33,760
Speaker 1: make a big play and they don't.

2034
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:38,360
Speaker 2: It is uncomplimentary football in the worst possible way. All right,

2035
01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:40,920
Speaker 2: let's take one more break. We gotta take one more

2036
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:43,400
Speaker 2: before you say goodbye. We'll take you up for another

2037
01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:45,599
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes or so, and then we'll join nets basketball

2038
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:48,120
Speaker 2: right here on WFAAMN on the stream.

2039
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:48,720
Speaker 1: Time out.

2040
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:50,679
Speaker 2: We'll be back with more Giants again. Were on Giants

2041
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:52,880
Speaker 2: extra point. They fall to the lines in overtime thirty

2042
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:53,679
Speaker 2: four to twenty seven.

2043
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:55,320
Speaker 1: This is Tyrone Tracy Jr.

2044
01:34:55,400 --> 01:34:58,840
Speaker 7: And you're listening to Giants football on the fan Wfan

2045
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:01,400
Speaker 7: and WFA New York.

2046
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:03,240
Speaker 2: Back here on Giants extra point. I just want to

2047
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:05,920
Speaker 2: go back Tiki Robbie one of his points he brought up.

2048
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:07,680
Speaker 2: I think it was Robbie, maybe it was Richie that

2049
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:10,400
Speaker 2: the coverage was a little bit soft, and that's one

2050
01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:11,680
Speaker 2: of the reasons he gave ball these yards.

2051
01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:13,599
Speaker 1: Look, they almost give a five hundred yards. It's bad, right,

2052
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:16,040
Speaker 1: But I didn't really think this was a bunch of

2053
01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:19,200
Speaker 1: like dink and dunks soft zone. Now, this wasn't that.

2054
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:21,960
Speaker 1: This was SA mostly in the run game, just giving

2055
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:24,120
Speaker 1: up massive explosive plays. Now, there were a few in

2056
01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:26,320
Speaker 1: the past game as well, But yeah, I think I

2057
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:28,080
Speaker 1: think you live with those. It was it was this

2058
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:31,280
Speaker 1: the lack of being able to stop the run that

2059
01:35:31,439 --> 01:35:33,880
Speaker 1: drives you insane, because you know that's what the cow

2060
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:36,280
Speaker 1: or not the Cowboys, and we're watching the Cowboys Eagles game.

2061
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:38,800
Speaker 1: You know, that's what the Lions wanted to do and

2062
01:35:38,920 --> 01:35:41,680
Speaker 1: what the Giants are poor at. And they still ran

2063
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:43,439
Speaker 1: for over two hundred and forty yards.

2064
01:35:44,200 --> 01:35:45,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, we knew they were going to try

2065
01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:47,479
Speaker 2: to do it going in and that's exactly what they did.

2066
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:49,920
Speaker 1: And by the way, they didn't even run it that much.

2067
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:52,200
Speaker 2: No, we were both said, You're like, why aren't the

2068
01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:54,960
Speaker 2: Lions run of the ball, dude? And they eventually did,

2069
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:56,320
Speaker 2: and they got those big by only.

2070
01:35:56,200 --> 01:35:58,840
Speaker 1: Had twenty carries. They ran sixty something plays. They had

2071
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:01,200
Speaker 1: twenty carries in this game, almost twice as many passes

2072
01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:04,360
Speaker 1: as they had dropped back five plays, and they ran

2073
01:36:04,439 --> 01:36:09,360
Speaker 1: the ball twenty times and had two hundred and thirty

2074
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 1: seven yards.

2075
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:14,240
Speaker 2: They have crazy the average. Wow, think about that. That's

2076
01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:18,080
Speaker 2: a lot of yards per Carrics yards. Let's go to

2077
01:36:18,160 --> 01:36:19,559
Speaker 2: Evan and Sparta in New Jerseys.

2078
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:20,559
Speaker 1: I'm next. Evan, what's up?

2079
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:22,360
Speaker 21: Hey, what's on?

2080
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:22,880
Speaker 25: Fellas?

2081
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:23,320
Speaker 1: What's up?

2082
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:23,720
Speaker 6: Uh?

2083
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:26,479
Speaker 27: Yeah, So I'm kind of pulling an audible a little

2084
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:29,400
Speaker 27: bit because I'm what I was calling for was to

2085
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:32,840
Speaker 27: complain a little bit about Shane Bowen. You and I

2086
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:35,719
Speaker 27: have thought about this in the past, making a change.

2087
01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:38,040
Speaker 27: Your argument was about, well, who.

2088
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:40,080
Speaker 23: Do we have in the hopper right and replace them?

2089
01:36:40,360 --> 01:36:42,920
Speaker 27: But I'm going to kind of change what I was

2090
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:44,800
Speaker 27: going to call about because what I just heard you

2091
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:48,600
Speaker 27: say was, well, Thibodeau was heard and we got this

2092
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:51,920
Speaker 27: player hurt, and this every team in the league is hurt.

2093
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:52,320
Speaker 6: Night.

2094
01:36:52,439 --> 01:36:54,760
Speaker 1: You're right, Oh, that's fair. That's fair. It's very true.

2095
01:36:55,040 --> 01:36:58,800
Speaker 27: That can't be stopping the run. And it's the same

2096
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:00,800
Speaker 27: thing that we saw with the DA game in the

2097
01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:05,120
Speaker 27: Saints game. It has to come back to accountability and

2098
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:08,360
Speaker 27: it's not Yes, there is some accountability on the players,

2099
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:12,000
Speaker 27: but Shane Bowen has proven that he can't lead this defense.

2100
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:14,680
Speaker 27: And the last thing that I'll say is you were

2101
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:20,320
Speaker 27: talking about Martindale earlier. Yes, it wasn't it wasn't good

2102
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:23,679
Speaker 27: in the last run of it. That I will say

2103
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:26,080
Speaker 27: he did not have the pieces that we have now.

2104
01:37:26,439 --> 01:37:31,400
Speaker 27: Our defensive line could be elite and and he could

2105
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:32,479
Speaker 27: be doing a lot better.

2106
01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:34,880
Speaker 1: With this This group I appreciate the call.

2107
01:37:34,960 --> 01:37:37,200
Speaker 2: I will say this, by the way, he did have

2108
01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:40,479
Speaker 2: Leonard Williams as the second defensive tackle next to Dexter Lawrence,

2109
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:43,400
Speaker 2: and so we didn't have Brian Burns. He did have

2110
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:46,600
Speaker 2: Leonard Williams, and Leonard Williams is just as good of

2111
01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:48,040
Speaker 2: a player, plays a different position.

2112
01:37:49,160 --> 01:37:51,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had some glue guys though on that team

2113
01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:55,080
Speaker 1: that were David McKinney being one. Obviously, Julian Love was another.

2114
01:37:55,200 --> 01:37:57,439
Speaker 1: And so when you when you miss those guys, you

2115
01:37:57,600 --> 01:37:59,960
Speaker 1: replace them with young players. It's just hard to get

2116
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:06,439
Speaker 1: the same experience in like football IQ football knowledge. It

2117
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:10,040
Speaker 1: just it takes time to develop that and you see

2118
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:12,920
Speaker 1: it and the other thing. And you mentioned this from

2119
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:15,519
Speaker 1: a depth standpoint because of the injuries that have happened.

2120
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:17,920
Speaker 1: Every team gets injured, but it feels like every a

2121
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:20,120
Speaker 1: lot of these teams they have those second third level

2122
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:23,360
Speaker 1: guys are sex second and third string guys who are

2123
01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:26,080
Speaker 1: ready for their moments. The Giants feel like their secondary

2124
01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:27,719
Speaker 1: in particular isn't ready for their moments.

2125
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:30,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, everyone can deal with a one injury

2126
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:33,280
Speaker 2: up front or two like Tippet. Look, yeah, Burns and Carter,

2127
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:36,320
Speaker 2: you should be okay there, But when you lose three

2128
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:39,320
Speaker 2: of your top defensive backs, there are many teams around

2129
01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:42,439
Speaker 2: the league that can survive that type of group. If

2130
01:38:42,439 --> 01:38:44,360
Speaker 2: you get a lot of injuries in one spot TV,

2131
01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:46,120
Speaker 2: that's where it really tends.

2132
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:48,960
Speaker 1: To kill exactly, because then you're having practice squad or

2133
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:53,120
Speaker 1: worst players playing. The guys are other practice squad's right,

2134
01:38:53,439 --> 01:38:56,600
Speaker 1: that's right. So in some some ways that works for you, Like,

2135
01:38:56,760 --> 01:38:59,400
Speaker 1: for instance, Isaiah Hodgens. I think it's a great pickup

2136
01:38:59,439 --> 01:39:01,439
Speaker 1: for the Giant. The reason he wasn't on this team.

2137
01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:04,720
Speaker 1: I'm assuming he's because he wasn't quote unquote explosive enough.

2138
01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:07,879
Speaker 1: But Isaiah Hodgens was one of the most reliable players

2139
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:11,400
Speaker 1: on the couple of those really bad Giant teams a

2140
01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:12,120
Speaker 1: couple of years ago.

2141
01:39:12,120 --> 01:39:13,880
Speaker 2: But I will say this, and then you know this

2142
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:17,200
Speaker 2: is true that one of the well, Dak Prescott, just

2143
01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:18,880
Speaker 2: threw it right to an Eagle defensive lineman.

2144
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:19,679
Speaker 1: There's a flag on the play.

2145
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:21,280
Speaker 2: We'll see if that gets called back, and he gets

2146
01:39:21,320 --> 01:39:22,880
Speaker 2: twelve men on the field for the Eagles, so it's

2147
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:23,800
Speaker 2: probably gonna be called back.

2148
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:24,280
Speaker 1: We'll see.

2149
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:28,479
Speaker 2: But wide receivers one of the deepest positions in the NFL,

2150
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:31,160
Speaker 2: there are a million wide receivers that can play. Of course,

2151
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:35,080
Speaker 2: the two thinnest positions in the National Football League offensive tackle.

2152
01:39:34,920 --> 01:39:36,920
Speaker 1: Yep, and cornerback. That's correct.

2153
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:40,439
Speaker 2: So you just can't find cornerbacks walking around that can play, right,

2154
01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:41,799
Speaker 2: It's very, very difficult.

2155
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:44,000
Speaker 1: Let's go to Richard of Manhattan's up next, Richard? What's

2156
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:44,320
Speaker 1: going on?

2157
01:39:44,840 --> 01:39:48,599
Speaker 19: Hi, fellas before I get to Cosca? Dicky one? Right,

2158
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:51,840
Speaker 19: if you know you're gonna go for it on fourth down,

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01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:56,599
Speaker 19: it doesn't matter whether it's fourth and three, fourth and nine,

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01:39:56,800 --> 01:40:00,120
Speaker 19: or fourth and fifteen. You're going for it, right, you

2161
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:02,240
Speaker 19: do it the other three downs as you read it,

2162
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:06,200
Speaker 19: and you make them use all three time outs, right,

2163
01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:09,679
Speaker 19: that's what you have to do. Okay, If you don't

2164
01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:12,120
Speaker 19: know you're going for it on fourth, then I can understand.

2165
01:40:12,640 --> 01:40:16,080
Speaker 19: But beforehand, the coach's got and know what he's going

2166
01:40:16,200 --> 01:40:20,160
Speaker 19: to do. And if he know that, that was bad anyway,

2167
01:40:20,240 --> 01:40:23,160
Speaker 19: because if you're throwing on fourth, it doesn't matter what

2168
01:40:23,320 --> 01:40:27,599
Speaker 19: the yardage is. Right right now you have the three

2169
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:30,960
Speaker 19: timeouts that they used in your pocket. Okay, But I

2170
01:40:31,120 --> 01:40:34,760
Speaker 19: love Kafka. I love his demeanor on the sideline. I

2171
01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:36,040
Speaker 19: love him after the game.

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01:40:36,160 --> 01:40:36,559
Speaker 1: I agree.

2173
01:40:37,080 --> 01:40:39,720
Speaker 19: I think the players love him. I love the guy.

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01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:43,160
Speaker 19: I mean, so far, we don't have to look for Listen,

2175
01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:48,639
Speaker 19: Parcels just fell into it when Ray Perkins lasting went

2176
01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:52,200
Speaker 19: to Alabama. This may be a blessing in disguise. We

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01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:55,960
Speaker 19: don't know, unusual for the Giants to do this, TIKEI

2178
01:40:56,479 --> 01:40:58,879
Speaker 19: you know, fire a guy. Maybe this is a message

2179
01:40:58,920 --> 01:41:01,320
Speaker 19: from God that this is the man that should have

2180
01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:04,439
Speaker 19: been here all this time, just like purselves was when

2181
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:08,240
Speaker 19: Perkins left, and we you know, we craved Perkins. Yeah,

2182
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:10,560
Speaker 19: now that was a big thing getting him for you know,

2183
01:41:10,920 --> 01:41:11,639
Speaker 19: from New England.

2184
01:41:11,720 --> 01:41:12,519
Speaker 23: That was like one of the.

2185
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:15,960
Speaker 19: Biggest poops that ever happened, right, that was huge back then.

2186
01:41:16,120 --> 01:41:18,479
Speaker 19: So look into it like that. As long as this

2187
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:21,120
Speaker 19: this was one ticky John. This was one of the

2188
01:41:21,200 --> 01:41:25,080
Speaker 19: most entertaining New York Giant losses I've ever watched.

2189
01:41:25,160 --> 01:41:26,360
Speaker 16: Really yeah, look, I.

2190
01:41:26,360 --> 01:41:28,839
Speaker 1: Mean even Bob said this at halftime. Appreciate your coverage.

2191
01:41:28,840 --> 01:41:31,439
Speaker 1: That's rich. It was an entertaining first half, and I

2192
01:41:31,479 --> 01:41:34,120
Speaker 1: think it was an entertaining game. The challenge is you

2193
01:41:34,240 --> 01:41:36,519
Speaker 1: just want to start winning some of these entertaining games,

2194
01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:40,200
Speaker 1: these entertaining losses or close losses or we can play

2195
01:41:40,280 --> 01:41:43,439
Speaker 1: with even the best teams in the NFC in particular,

2196
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:46,360
Speaker 1: it doesn't do anything for you. That's the thing we

2197
01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:47,240
Speaker 1: said before this game.

2198
01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:49,519
Speaker 2: This is probably the toughest game left on the schedule,

2199
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:51,439
Speaker 2: might be one of the toughest games on the schedule

2200
01:41:51,479 --> 01:41:52,960
Speaker 2: all year when you look at the strengths of the

2201
01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:53,600
Speaker 2: teams when the.

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01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:57,280
Speaker 1: Giants played them. But when you're two and ten, I'm sorry,

2203
01:41:57,439 --> 01:41:59,120
Speaker 1: I can't be like, well, at least you played well

2204
01:41:59,160 --> 01:42:01,920
Speaker 1: against the good things again the earlier Carl with the

2205
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:04,760
Speaker 1: moral victories. Who cares about moral victories? You need You

2206
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:07,880
Speaker 1: need an actual victory. Yes, you need momentum to go

2207
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:11,080
Speaker 1: back your way. And then I think, ultimately maybe that's

2208
01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:13,240
Speaker 1: what Mike Kofka was trying to do when he goes

2209
01:42:13,240 --> 01:42:15,320
Speaker 1: for it on fourth down instead of kicking the field goal.

2210
01:42:15,479 --> 01:42:17,599
Speaker 1: Is that you need a win, and so you gotta

2211
01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:19,800
Speaker 1: be aggressive to get a win because you don't know

2212
01:42:19,880 --> 01:42:21,400
Speaker 1: when a win changes the tie.

2213
01:42:21,640 --> 01:42:23,639
Speaker 2: Let's go to Corey on Long Island. He's up next, Cory.

2214
01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:29,840
Speaker 2: What's happening man? Cory going once, Cory going twice. So

2215
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:32,120
Speaker 2: all right, let's go to Dominic and New Rochelle. He

2216
01:42:32,160 --> 01:42:35,360
Speaker 2: will wrap us up today, Dominic, who's going on, Hey,

2217
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:36,320
Speaker 2: what's up guys?

2218
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:42,799
Speaker 20: Why why does this why does this defense always collapse

2219
01:42:42,840 --> 01:42:46,080
Speaker 20: in the fourth quarter? I mean, they just can never finish.

2220
01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:49,240
Speaker 20: It's very frustrating because this offense has done its job

2221
01:42:49,360 --> 01:42:52,320
Speaker 20: this year, it really has. And going into this year,

2222
01:42:52,640 --> 01:42:56,840
Speaker 20: I thought this defense was gonna be an extremely big

2223
01:42:56,920 --> 01:42:58,400
Speaker 20: time force and they're just not.

2224
01:42:58,720 --> 01:43:01,280
Speaker 1: Dominic, I thought the same thing. So I thought the

2225
01:43:01,320 --> 01:43:03,759
Speaker 1: same thing when they spent all the money on Javon

2226
01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:07,759
Speaker 1: Holland and Paulson Adebo and obviously they got Byron Burns

2227
01:43:07,800 --> 01:43:12,240
Speaker 1: a year before due Carter, but the talking point was

2228
01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:14,599
Speaker 1: we know where the strength is going to be the defense,

2229
01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:16,479
Speaker 1: and it just hasn't be said. For the Giants to

2230
01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:18,760
Speaker 1: be successful to year, the defense would have to carry him. Right.

2231
01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:21,160
Speaker 20: We all said it, guy, do you think do you

2232
01:43:21,240 --> 01:43:23,679
Speaker 20: think a key a big key loss that goes unnoticed

2233
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:25,600
Speaker 20: right now is Mick a mix Fadden. He's such a

2234
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:28,080
Speaker 20: big on the run defense, right, so big on the

2235
01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:31,920
Speaker 20: run defense, and nobody talks about that and it goes unnoticed.

2236
01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:35,519
Speaker 20: But at the end of the game, when Jamier Gibbs

2237
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:38,720
Speaker 20: ran off and hit that touchdown in overtime, I mean

2238
01:43:39,439 --> 01:43:41,760
Speaker 20: they said Dexter Lawrence was on the sideline on that game.

2239
01:43:41,800 --> 01:43:43,160
Speaker 16: I don't know it was an injury or not.

2240
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:46,040
Speaker 1: He was man They were managing his snaps, is the

2241
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:48,600
Speaker 1: best way to put it, Dom. I don't know what

2242
01:43:48,720 --> 01:43:50,639
Speaker 1: that means, but they were managing his snaps.

2243
01:43:50,760 --> 01:43:54,120
Speaker 20: Easy was nicked up and Deontay Banks, Deontay Banks was

2244
01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:56,760
Speaker 20: was was inactive. I don't know the reasons for that.

2245
01:43:57,120 --> 01:43:58,759
Speaker 20: Probably because he stopped performing.

2246
01:43:59,880 --> 01:44:02,360
Speaker 1: He had a hip he had a hip injury. But

2247
01:44:02,439 --> 01:44:04,519
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest, I don't know if I missed him.

2248
01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:08,360
Speaker 19: I didn't. I didn't miss to meet it.

2249
01:44:08,439 --> 01:44:13,360
Speaker 2: Butterback like true, that's true, that's true.

2250
01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:18,760
Speaker 1: I appreciate the take it down. Ultimately, we know that

2251
01:44:19,000 --> 01:44:23,599
Speaker 1: the Giants are a flawed team, especially defensively, because when

2252
01:44:23,640 --> 01:44:27,080
Speaker 1: you're scoring the points that the Giants have scored twenty

2253
01:44:27,120 --> 01:44:30,040
Speaker 1: seven points this week, you know twenty points, I mean

2254
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:32,720
Speaker 1: they're in double digits. There's only two games this year

2255
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:36,439
Speaker 1: against the Chiefs and against the Commanders in the top

2256
01:44:36,479 --> 01:44:38,680
Speaker 1: three weeks of the season where they didn't get to

2257
01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:43,000
Speaker 1: double digits, where they felt kind of inept and in

2258
01:44:43,080 --> 01:44:45,080
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. Even the New Orleans game and

2259
01:44:45,160 --> 01:44:49,240
Speaker 1: that was Jackson Dart's first start. They had control over

2260
01:44:49,400 --> 01:44:52,080
Speaker 1: most of the game. It was it was the four

2261
01:44:52,200 --> 01:44:55,560
Speaker 1: turnovers that are actually I think it was five, the

2262
01:44:55,720 --> 01:45:00,280
Speaker 1: five turnovers in that game that ultimately caused them to

2263
01:45:00,400 --> 01:45:04,559
Speaker 1: put up twenty plus points. But the old narrative about

2264
01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:06,360
Speaker 1: the Giants they just can't score, they just can't score,

2265
01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:07,440
Speaker 1: they're bad offensive.

2266
01:45:07,240 --> 01:45:09,120
Speaker 2: Wasn't a narrative. It was a fact for the last

2267
01:45:09,160 --> 01:45:11,080
Speaker 2: three years, right, But I don't think that that's the

2268
01:45:11,160 --> 01:45:14,120
Speaker 2: case any No, it's not. This Giants team can score.

2269
01:45:13,960 --> 01:45:16,519
Speaker 1: And that's why it's so frustrating. And Mike Kafka has

2270
01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:19,599
Speaker 1: been Kafka has been really good as an offensive coordinator

2271
01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:22,200
Speaker 1: and a play caller, and you see it and look

2272
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:24,680
Speaker 1: is this Is he gonna do enough to keep this job?

2273
01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:28,240
Speaker 1: I don't think so. But it doesn't mean that he's

2274
01:45:28,320 --> 01:45:30,640
Speaker 1: not an important part of what's happening, or could be

2275
01:45:31,160 --> 01:45:33,519
Speaker 1: if dependent on who the new head coach that comes

2276
01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:35,080
Speaker 1: in is. And I do agree.

2277
01:45:35,120 --> 01:45:38,280
Speaker 2: I think the loss of Micah McFadden has been significant.

2278
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:40,599
Speaker 1: Now he was a great reading back player. Now he wasn't.

2279
01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:43,280
Speaker 1: He wasn't elite, wasn't gonna be a pro bowler. But

2280
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:46,680
Speaker 1: his ability to read and react and diagnose made him

2281
01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:48,880
Speaker 1: valuable on that second level for the Giants, and they

2282
01:45:48,920 --> 01:45:50,800
Speaker 1: don't have that right now. How was the Giants run

2283
01:45:50,840 --> 01:45:53,679
Speaker 1: defense last two years and mikel McFadden was healthy. Yeah,

2284
01:45:54,840 --> 01:45:56,920
Speaker 1: that wasn't very good those years either. No, you're right,

2285
01:45:57,200 --> 01:45:57,559
Speaker 1: You're right.

2286
01:45:57,840 --> 01:45:59,360
Speaker 2: So I agree, like they've had a good player and

2287
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:01,880
Speaker 2: he would help again throwing on with you, but it's

2288
01:46:02,640 --> 01:46:04,280
Speaker 2: even goes back to the Wings last year doing one

2289
01:46:04,280 --> 01:46:06,840
Speaker 2: of the worst run defenses of football. So it's hard

2290
01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:10,000
Speaker 2: for me to really say what it is right, Like,

2291
01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:13,479
Speaker 2: they've changed coaches, they've changed people, they've changed everything.

2292
01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:16,720
Speaker 1: They changed scheme, they changed everything. The results are exactly

2293
01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:17,519
Speaker 1: the same.

2294
01:46:18,479 --> 01:46:18,679
Speaker 21: Huh.

2295
01:46:20,960 --> 01:46:23,400
Speaker 1: You called up at St. Wisest Giant defense falling apart

2296
01:46:23,439 --> 01:46:24,519
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter every game.

2297
01:46:25,200 --> 01:46:27,000
Speaker 2: If he had the answer, you would be sitting here right,

2298
01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:30,040
Speaker 2: I'd be a defensive coordinator correct, And I'll.

2299
01:46:29,720 --> 01:46:32,160
Speaker 1: Keep it very simple. Your best player's got to make

2300
01:46:32,200 --> 01:46:34,800
Speaker 1: plays in the most important situation. Ultimately, that's what it

2301
01:46:34,840 --> 01:46:36,800
Speaker 1: comes down to. And it's it's interesting because I think

2302
01:46:36,840 --> 01:46:40,120
Speaker 1: we're getting that on offense for a lot of this season.

2303
01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:44,240
Speaker 1: Your best player, whether it's Jamis right now or Jackson,

2304
01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:47,840
Speaker 1: Dart Wandol Robinson. Your best players are making the plays

2305
01:46:47,880 --> 01:46:49,960
Speaker 1: when they need to on the defense side of the

2306
01:46:49,960 --> 01:46:52,320
Speaker 1: ball and moments that matter and the defense you're not

2307
01:46:52,400 --> 01:46:54,960
Speaker 1: getting that at all, no question about it. About having

2308
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:58,320
Speaker 1: good seasons some of them, Brian Burns in particular, but

2309
01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:00,200
Speaker 1: they're not making the big play when you need them

2310
01:47:00,240 --> 01:47:02,280
Speaker 1: to make the big play. That's you need to be clutch,

2311
01:47:03,120 --> 01:47:04,479
Speaker 1: not just good ticks.

2312
01:47:04,560 --> 01:47:05,800
Speaker 2: Right by the way, there were twelve men on the

2313
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:09,000
Speaker 2: field on that Dak Prescott interception from earlier. Then Ceedee

2314
01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:11,320
Speaker 2: Lamb dropped. I believe it's its second drop of the

2315
01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:13,920
Speaker 2: game on a key third down. The Cowboys had the punt.

2316
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:16,800
Speaker 2: They trailed the Eagles twenty one to seven behind shitt

2317
01:47:16,840 --> 01:47:19,360
Speaker 2: or sand There's a couple of touchdowns early haven't done

2318
01:47:19,439 --> 01:47:21,760
Speaker 2: much since. But the Browns lead the Raiders seventeen to three,

2319
01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:25,000
Speaker 2: Jaguars lead to Cardinals seventeen to fourteen, and the Falcons

2320
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:26,600
Speaker 2: are up on the Saint Saints. Just failed on a

2321
01:47:26,680 --> 01:47:30,559
Speaker 2: fourth and short. The Falcons lead the Saints sixteen to seven.

2322
01:47:30,760 --> 01:47:32,160
Speaker 2: Looks like the Saints might have the ball back. Now

2323
01:47:32,240 --> 01:47:35,880
Speaker 2: looks like they have its second goal. Atlanta's one yard line. SOO,

2324
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:38,200
Speaker 2: those are the games going on right now, Tiki. We

2325
01:47:38,360 --> 01:47:41,639
Speaker 2: have a week here, eight days actually before the Giants

2326
01:47:41,680 --> 01:47:43,679
Speaker 2: play their next game on Monday night against the Patriots.

2327
01:47:43,720 --> 01:47:45,479
Speaker 2: I know we talked about our broofy beforehand. We're going

2328
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:47,560
Speaker 2: to see one of the great young quarterbacks in the

2329
01:47:47,680 --> 01:47:52,000
Speaker 2: National Football League, and they're not quite as explosive offensively

2330
01:47:52,320 --> 01:47:52,879
Speaker 2: the Patriots.

2331
01:47:52,880 --> 01:47:54,240
Speaker 1: You look at their weapons on the perimeter.

2332
01:47:54,520 --> 01:47:57,000
Speaker 2: Sebom Days a little bit older, but they they and

2333
01:47:57,080 --> 01:47:59,040
Speaker 2: their schedule hasn't been great this year, no, but they

2334
01:47:59,120 --> 01:48:01,040
Speaker 2: got a good coach, they got a solid defense, good

2335
01:48:01,080 --> 01:48:03,720
Speaker 2: defensive front, and they have a quarterback that's just he's

2336
01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:04,519
Speaker 2: an MVP Cachea.

2337
01:48:04,600 --> 01:48:06,320
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing is Drake May has been

2338
01:48:06,360 --> 01:48:08,960
Speaker 1: playing at a high level. We rave about Jackson Dart

2339
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:12,040
Speaker 1: and his rookie season, and you know, Drake May had

2340
01:48:12,040 --> 01:48:13,720
Speaker 1: his fits and starts. There were some good things that

2341
01:48:13,800 --> 01:48:16,759
Speaker 1: we saw last year, but his evolution here is growth

2342
01:48:17,160 --> 01:48:20,160
Speaker 1: and his sophomore year has been exceptional. Part of that

2343
01:48:20,360 --> 01:48:24,080
Speaker 1: is because of the offensive coordinator, you know, and I

2344
01:48:24,160 --> 01:48:28,560
Speaker 1: think the way that this team is coached, it just

2345
01:48:28,720 --> 01:48:32,240
Speaker 1: gives you confidence and from a player standpoint that you're

2346
01:48:32,320 --> 01:48:35,719
Speaker 1: going to be put in the best position to excel.

2347
01:48:36,240 --> 01:48:39,960
Speaker 1: And so with Josh McDaniels and Mike Varibole, this Patriots

2348
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:42,360
Speaker 1: team is ten and two. They just keep finding ways

2349
01:48:42,439 --> 01:48:44,479
Speaker 1: to win games, and it's going to be a challenge

2350
01:48:44,520 --> 01:48:46,519
Speaker 1: for the Giants to go on the road in prime

2351
01:48:46,600 --> 01:48:49,560
Speaker 1: time up there and play with them. Now, with that

2352
01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:51,680
Speaker 1: being said, do I think the Giants will play with

2353
01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:52,439
Speaker 1: it play with him?

2354
01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:52,680
Speaker 16: I do.

2355
01:48:53,160 --> 01:48:55,639
Speaker 2: I think it'll be a close game. The question will

2356
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:58,800
Speaker 2: be the Giants and win they learn how to win

2357
01:48:58,880 --> 01:48:59,559
Speaker 2: football games.

2358
01:48:59,640 --> 01:49:01,640
Speaker 1: That's well, that's the only thing I think about with

2359
01:49:01,720 --> 01:49:04,200
Speaker 1: the Giants every week is not oh they're gonna get

2360
01:49:04,200 --> 01:49:06,400
Speaker 1: blown out. It may happen, but that's not what I thought.

2361
01:49:06,479 --> 01:49:08,680
Speaker 1: My thought process is. The process is when are you

2362
01:49:08,720 --> 01:49:10,760
Speaker 1: gonna learn how to win a football game? That's when

2363
01:49:10,840 --> 01:49:14,680
Speaker 1: my player execution, game management from a coaching standpoint, or

2364
01:49:15,280 --> 01:49:18,160
Speaker 1: just dumb luck being on your side. They just haven't

2365
01:49:18,160 --> 01:49:20,599
Speaker 1: had any of it. Dick, you have a great Thanksgiving.

2366
01:49:20,680 --> 01:49:22,280
Speaker 2: You was well, happy Thanksgiving, and so all the Giant

2367
01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:24,760
Speaker 2: fans out there listening right now, you guys have a

2368
01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:27,479
Speaker 2: great Thanksgiving as well. Enjoy your football, your family and

2369
01:49:27,560 --> 01:49:30,360
Speaker 2: your friends and everything else you do on your Thanksgiving

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Speaker 2: holiday and the weekend will be with you again next

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Speaker 2: Monday night. Right here on the fan pregame, it's six fifteen,

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Speaker 2: right after Tiki and Evan to get you ready for

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Speaker 2: Giants at the New England Patriots and the Giants they

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Speaker 2: haven't had their bye week, by the way, which is insane.

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Speaker 2: Where the we're gonna be the first week of December

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Speaker 2: and the Giants still have not had their bye week.

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Speaker 1: But that's where we are.

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Speaker 2: Then we all get to enjoy aa weekend off and

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Speaker 2: O'Connor's got big, big plans to go hang out somewhere

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Speaker 2: over that weekend, big trip somewhere, big party guy, that

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Speaker 2: Connor Green.

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Speaker 1: He's very much into it.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, folks, and all the fans out there,

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Speaker 2: have a great Thanksgiving as well.

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Speaker 1: Giants.

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Speaker 2: and folks. You can check out covers to the Giants

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Speaker 2: all week long, including over that Thanksgiving Day weekend on

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Speaker 2: giants dot Com, The Giants will Blaff the Giants YouTube

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Speaker 2: channel check out everything we do to get you ready

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Speaker 2: for the Giants and the Patriots in eight days. Giants

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Speaker 2: Total Podcast comes your way. You can find that on

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Speaker 2: your favorite podcast platform as well. And then Big Kickoff

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Speaker 2: Live is live every day at twelve thirty on the

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Speaker 2: Giants app and the Giants YouTube channel, and the archives

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Speaker 2: can be found on your podcast platforms as well. For

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Speaker 2: Tiki Barber, for Bob Popacral Banks, Hour Cross, Paul Datino

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Speaker 2: and our entire crew. Excellent job to everybody. Happy Thanksgiving everybody,

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Speaker 2: and we will see you next week. Once again, the

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Speaker 2: Giants fall to the Lions in overtime thirty four to

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Speaker 2: twenty seven. Let's join NETS Basketball on the fan on

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Speaker 2: all our stations and streams.

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Speaker 1: Coming up next