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Speaker 1: Welcome to Naked Sports, the podcast where we live at

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Speaker 1: the intersection of sports, politics, and culture. Our purpose reveal

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Speaker 1: the common threads that bind them all.

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Speaker 2: So what's happening in women's basketball right now is what

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Speaker 2: we've been trying to.

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Speaker 3: Get to for almost thirty years.

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Speaker 1: From the stadiums where athlete break barriers and set records.

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Speaker 2: Caitlin Quark broke the all time single game assists record.

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Speaker 3: This is crazy for rookies to be doing.

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Speaker 1: Our discussions will uncover the vital connections between these realms

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Speaker 1: and the community we create. And each episode we'll sit

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Speaker 1: down with athletes, political analysts, and culture critics because at

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Speaker 1: the core of it all, how we see one issue

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Speaker 1: shines the light on all others. Welcome to Naked Sports.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Carrie Champion. Isabelle Harrison is a VET

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Speaker 1: in this league at least by all things considered, And

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Speaker 1: when I tell you, she has the sweetest spirit, the

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Speaker 1: sweetest song. Her playing career for me became of note

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Speaker 1: when she was at Tennessee and she played under the

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Speaker 1: Great Pat Summit, and she will talk about that today.

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Speaker 4: She will also talk about her.

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Speaker 1: Relationship with the Liberty, a new team that she's been

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Speaker 1: in for one season, her relationship with another VET in

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Speaker 1: this league, t Cloud, and we get into obviously the

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Speaker 1: news of the week, what in fact will happen with

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Speaker 1: the WNBA as they deal with these CBA negotiations, and

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Speaker 1: also what many believe is a commissioner that doesn't hear them.

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Speaker 4: Or see them.

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Speaker 1: This episode of Naked Sports, at least for me, is

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Speaker 1: one of my favorites because we really got into just

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Speaker 1: about everything. It's authentic, it's true, and it's about how,

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Speaker 1: in fact women's sports needs to be elevated and amplified,

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Speaker 1: and these athletes are more than just faces. They are people,

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Speaker 1: and they are asking folks to see their humanity and

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Speaker 1: who they are and why they care so much about

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Speaker 1: this sport.

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Speaker 2: What's up, Y'all's Isy Harrison from the New York Liberty.

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Speaker 2: I'm here with Carrie and let's get into it. A.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into it, Okay, So is he I have

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Speaker 1: a confession, my confessional.

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Speaker 4: I have stalked your your Instagram. I have had a

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Speaker 4: crush on you for.

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Speaker 1: A long time in the sense of I just love

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Speaker 1: how you carry yourself. You're always smiling, You're always light

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Speaker 1: or appearing light, off the court, right.

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Speaker 4: And then when you're about your business, you're about your business,

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Speaker 4: and I think that it it.

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Speaker 1: And so many people, we have a lot of mutual

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Speaker 1: friends with so many people I know respect you. So

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Speaker 1: I was like, I'm very curious about you. I want you,

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Speaker 1: And that was one of the main reasons. I was like,

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Speaker 1: I'm curious about the human that you are. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: do you.

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Speaker 4: Hear that a lot do people tell you they love yourselma?

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Speaker 4: How kind a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: Do say they love my light? And I'm just I've

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Speaker 2: prided myself into just carrying myself like that. And I

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Speaker 2: come from a big family. I'm one to twelve, so.

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Speaker 4: Like one of twelve children.

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Speaker 3: Children, Yes, how does that?

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Speaker 2: Dad?

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Speaker 3: My mom and dad are just doing their things.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, No one has twelve kids anymore.

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Speaker 2: No one does that anymore. It's very like an old

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Speaker 2: school thing to do. But yeah, that's how I grew up.

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Speaker 2: And again say, mom, same dad, and seven sisters, five brothers,

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Speaker 2: and they're like my built and best friends. So I

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Speaker 2: just think I get so much of my personality and

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Speaker 4: Where do you where are you in the twelve.

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Speaker 2: I'm number ten? Damn I'm number ten. Yeah, so I'm

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Speaker 4: So they just decided they were done at ten.

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Speaker 2: I guess not no, yeah, but then obviously I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: have my godson, Hughes from my little brother Ian and

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Speaker 2: she's doing her thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so I'm really I'm curious growing up in

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Speaker 2: And yeah, so when you grow up, it doesn't feel

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Speaker 2: When it's like, that makes so much sense now why

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Speaker 2: and people would say they don't have any siblings or

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Speaker 3: Was like, this is crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like I can't imagine not having like my sisters,

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Speaker 2: Like my brothers are like my best they taught me

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Speaker 2: where I feel like I'm the perfect mix of like

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Speaker 2: my mom, who was a cheerleader, she went to Vainderbilt

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Speaker 2: in the NFL for like ten years.

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Speaker 3: So I really feel like I'm like the perfect blend

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Speaker 1: Now, when you grew up, was there ever a time

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I didn't have my own room until I

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Speaker 2: was in high school. That's sick as a growing girl.

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Speaker 2: That's actually insane.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, what was that?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 1: Why I tell you this, I'm a little envious. I'm

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Speaker 1: an only child, meaning I have half brothers and sisters. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just grew up just with me and my mother,

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Speaker 1: and I'm very much a loner. I kind of do

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Speaker 1: my own thing, and I think I think that makes

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Speaker 4: But it's just like I just I've just been on

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Speaker 3: You don't give me only child Really.

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Speaker 4: What does only child give? What does the other child give?

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Speaker 2: Very just like it's all about me, like no care

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Speaker 2: Clearly you like helped me out somewhere, so yeah, you

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Speaker 4: Tell that story. Oh lord, can we tell that story?

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Speaker 4: Or should we die?

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Speaker 2: I think we can tell it. It's funny now, but

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Speaker 2: at the time I was stressed.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so so, so I have been planning this and

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Speaker 1: I've been stalking her up, been an inner DNS. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: when can we go? Give me your phone number? I

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Speaker 4: And she called me. She was like, I'll be here

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Speaker 3: I like to be on time.

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Speaker 4: You are you were before on time?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I like to, yeah, and I like to I like

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Speaker 4: And then she go back and shr after your schedule.

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Speaker 1: I'm like why and she's like, my driver dropped me

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Speaker 4: So you take it from there, child, you know.

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Speaker 2: In New York, like I've kind of adopted this mindset

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Speaker 3: So SE's being here.

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Speaker 2: It's like once basketball is out the way, like early

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Speaker 2: when I text you, and I'm like, we're not anywhere

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Speaker 3: Like what, what's actually going on?

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Speaker 2: But I was actually telling someone earlier today like I've

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Speaker 3: Like I don't know. I'm trusting the process.

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Speaker 2: I end up being at the Newark Airport, oh and

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Speaker 1: So she called me and said, I'm gonna have to reschedule.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yay, not, I've been working on this forever.

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Speaker 4: I love you so much.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you got to work.

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Speaker 1: I was like, no, I'll get you a new work

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Speaker 1: oh now, and then you're like are you sure?

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Speaker 2: It was also telling where my apartment was, so I

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Speaker 2: was like, wow, like I got here in like what

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Speaker 2: less than thirty.

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Speaker 1: Less than thirty and I was so happy and I

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Speaker 1: was like, okay, great. So it was funny because I

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Speaker 2: As well, I've been on my phone multitasking, so you know,

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Speaker 2: it's like, yo, yeah, we're.

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Speaker 1: So And then that's another part of like like women

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Speaker 1: who are in the world, like we're working, we're trying

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Speaker 4: I totally understood and did not judge you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: I was like, no, you're coming. I didn't care.

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Speaker 2: I had a call Tosh and she was like, we

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Speaker 2: just pivot because we've been practicing that, like pivoting.

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Speaker 1: She's like, what does that mean when you guys have

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Speaker 1: been practicing pivot? First time out Tasha Cloud, everybody's.

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Speaker 2: Boom, Yeah, but everybody everybody's boom but.

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Speaker 3: Your boo, Yes, a real boo.

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Speaker 4: Everybody has a question.

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Speaker 1: We have a crush on her about how Tasha Cloud

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Speaker 1: carries herself on and off the court. Yeah, makes people

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Speaker 1: just respect her because it's come about business, and I

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Speaker 1: feel like that's why, Like that's an attractive thing, but

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Speaker 1: I also disrespect her just as a professional. So you

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Speaker 3: Just was like, we just pivot.

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Speaker 2: We're big ones and like not letting things just like

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Speaker 2: control the controllables. And as we're like getting older into

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Speaker 2: our career, you can't get riled up about things like

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Speaker 2: this anymore because it happens.

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Speaker 3: It's not life or death.

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Speaker 4: It's not a real thing.

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Speaker 2: You will be okay, yeah, and we're here, and we're here,

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Speaker 2: so you told her were happened and she was like

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Speaker 2: this Jill, Yeah, And I sometimes have to have that

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Speaker 2: role with her too. It's like it's just the best balance, honestly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, how do you guys meet?

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Speaker 2: Obviously we have like debated telling the story like so

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Speaker 2: many times because you know how the.

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Speaker 3: Internet can be like they can just like the Internet.

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Speaker 3: Hate the Internet. It's a very unseerious place. It's a very.

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Speaker 1: Serious place and no one cares about actual humanity or

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Speaker 1: who you know.

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Speaker 2: And I love that about Oh, I love that you

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Speaker 2: said that because that is me in TOAs to our core.

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Speaker 2: We talk about this stuff like all the time, so

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Speaker 2: There was never really a space for women's basketball like

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Speaker 1: You can't there are no words to describe when someone

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Speaker 4: How to go? How did you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she was a very new experience for me, so

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Speaker 1: The human it's the hardest. The other it's all that

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Speaker 4: I love the way she talks about you. And she

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Speaker 3: That's literally it like how we feel about each other.

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Speaker 2: And that's why I think I just kind of like

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Speaker 1: So how did it feel going public? Were you nervous

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Speaker 3: You, Like what is your family like? Like what are

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Speaker 2: And a lot of people say, like lesbian couples, like

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Speaker 4: Sure, my friends, like y'all moving together right away.

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Speaker 2: And I think that was a little bit difficult for

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Speaker 4: Like, yeah, you well, and first of all, you got

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so so when you were they nervous or how

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Speaker 2: So yeah, we're all My dad's a pastor, we grew

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Speaker 2: He was like, you always travel and you're always by yourself,

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Speaker 2: Like all my siblings are married have kids, like I'm

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Speaker 4: We're in a relationship. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: She's so sweet. So and she loves toash love. They

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Speaker 2: And I think that made me more comforted because again,

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Speaker 4: I appreciate that. I hope you feel safe with me.

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Speaker 4: I don't. I do, I don't, I have.

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Speaker 1: I genuinely I see people and I see you together.

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Speaker 1: And I saw how she talked about you, and I

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Speaker 1: So that's why I was like, of course, like we

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Speaker 4: But just also because you're just so beautiful, so I

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Speaker 1: You know?

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00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,360
Speaker 2: For I had to tell this to Tash. By the way,

446
00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,080
Speaker 2: I love being in New York. You guys show me

447
00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:11,000
Speaker 2: so much love. I love the fans. Yeah, And a

448
00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,119
Speaker 2: lot of the times we will meet somebody and they're like,

449
00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,320
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, Tasha Cloud and they're like, and this

450
00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,159
Speaker 2: is easy. She's so beautiful and it's kind of like

451
00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,359
Speaker 2: I had a whole season here, like I had so

452
00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,320
Speaker 2: many like big moments in basketball, Like that is what

453
00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,520
Speaker 2: I want to leave with because that's my heart. You know,

454
00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:32,119
Speaker 2: think I'm grateful for the outside or whatever, but I

455
00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:33,960
Speaker 2: do want to be known for like what I do.

456
00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,879
Speaker 2: And oftentimes I think people kind of just see me

457
00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,240
Speaker 2: as like arm candy. And it's not just with Tash.

458
00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,000
Speaker 2: This has been even in the past with my past relationships. Yeah,

459
00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:47,320
Speaker 2: and it's been like a little frustrating. So when I

460
00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,760
Speaker 2: had those like big moments at Barclays of like the

461
00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:54,520
Speaker 2: crowd cheering for me after a huge game like that,

462
00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,520
Speaker 2: that made my life, Like that was like everything, That's

463
00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:58,320
Speaker 2: all I've ever wanted.

464
00:19:58,680 --> 00:19:59,720
Speaker 4: Isn't that interesting?

465
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,000
Speaker 1: I think that when you have something happened to you

466
00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,560
Speaker 1: all of the time, like people or are astounded by

467
00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:08,359
Speaker 1: what you look like.

468
00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,800
Speaker 4: But I think your beauty is more than just like physical.

469
00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,080
Speaker 3: I think it's inside for everybody.

470
00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,160
Speaker 4: And I think, but I think that's what people are

471
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,399
Speaker 4: just like they feel that you know you just like

472
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,440
Speaker 4: so I get you don't want to you don't want

473
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:22,840
Speaker 4: to be like.

474
00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,640
Speaker 1: I get that, but I think also it's so rare

475
00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,320
Speaker 1: to feel that when you meet someone, so that's also

476
00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,000
Speaker 1: a compliment. How do you feel about the season? How

477
00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,680
Speaker 1: do you feel about the Liberty season? Speaking of being

478
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,119
Speaker 1: in Barclays the best And I've said this to Claire,

479
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,399
Speaker 1: I've said this, I've interviewed her a few times, her

480
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,239
Speaker 1: channels with her, she's great, she gets it. I've been

481
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,760
Speaker 1: in environments with her. Very few owners are that accessible,

482
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,919
Speaker 1: and that's what I think that sets her apart from

483
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,040
Speaker 1: everyone else. I have been in spots and I'm like,

484
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:54,960
Speaker 1: oh my god, hey how are you? And and she's

485
00:20:55,160 --> 00:21:00,880
Speaker 1: chatty and yeah she has a tie, so I think

486
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:01,800
Speaker 1: that also helps.

487
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,639
Speaker 4: So what what has it been like for you first season?

488
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

489
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,280
Speaker 3: Do you feel first season?

490
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 2: I mean one, stepping into just the facilities day one

491
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,119
Speaker 2: that blew me away because I've never had that in

492
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,359
Speaker 2: my career ten year career now in the W. So

493
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 2: obviously the resources helped tremendously, which is why it was

494
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 2: another big reason for me to come to a team

495
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,639
Speaker 2: like New York. And obviously they won the year prior,

496
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 2: but I'm like, I still want to be treated like

497
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,479
Speaker 2: a great basketball player, I'll still want to be treated

498
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,119
Speaker 2: in value like I know that we all should be treated.

499
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 2: So yeah, being with the Liberty was really like a

500
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 2: dream come true.

501
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 3: I keep saying that, but like it.

502
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 2: Truly is so special to be here in New York

503
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 2: play at barclays Is. He has fans like ever.

504
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,919
Speaker 1: You arguably have the best best at w NBA organization

505
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,120
Speaker 1: that there is for sure.

506
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 3: No doubt about it.

507
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,879
Speaker 2: Like there's no arguments there and I could be biased,

508
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 2: but I'm telling you, Even playing against New York when

509
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:00,880
Speaker 2: I was on other teams, it just felt like such

510
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 2: a moment. So I knew I wanted to carry that

511
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 2: passion and that care into this season. So whenever I

512
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 2: got the opportunity to play this year, like I gave

513
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,919
Speaker 2: it my awe like I do every year, but this

514
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 2: was just a very different situation for me, and I

515
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 2: was really happy that JK took the you know, the

516
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,160
Speaker 2: chance to sign me and be here and prove everybody

517
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,119
Speaker 2: that I still have it. And because I was dealing

518
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 2: with injuries in the past too, so that was kind

519
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 2: of frustrating for me. But yeah, being in New York,

520
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 2: it was It's a dream.

521
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 1: So they fire Sandy. Yeah, And first of all, I

522
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 1: felt like the question that was asked in that presser

523
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 1: and the presser, I was like, whoa.

524
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 3: It was a little much.

525
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: But then I'm all, like they in front of her,

526
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 1: That's what I felt like. I was like, have I

527
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 1: seen that in other leagues? Maybe I have, and I

528
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:58,400
Speaker 1: haven't paid attention to.

529
00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:59,640
Speaker 4: It, but it felt like a lot.

530
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I understood it was a question that needed

531
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,360
Speaker 1: to be asked because as a journalist, I understand that, Yeah,

532
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 1: did you think what did you think about how that

533
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 1: all played out? Did you think she would lose one

534
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 1: year after winning it all? Did you think that she

535
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 1: would not be your head coach the following year?

536
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 3: Not at all.

537
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 2: And I was coached by Sandy my rookie year in Phoenix,

538
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 2: so like, I've seen her be so successful. So I

539
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 2: don't know what happened prior to me being in New

540
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 2: York and obviously following up from the championship year going

541
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 2: to this year, and we definitely fell short of our

542
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,959
Speaker 2: goal this year obviously, So I don't know what prior

543
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 2: history and conversations that happened. But I don't know if

544
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 2: it was just like that time like this is when

545
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 2: it's going to happen. So it was unfortunate for Sanny because,

546
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 2: like I said, great person, great coach, great energy. But

547
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,880
Speaker 2: you know, I was kind of hearing some comments Jka

548
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 2: had in this press are just kind of saying like

549
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 2: we just want the best here.

550
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 3: We want people to.

551
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 2: Know how important winning is here and that's the number

552
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 2: one goal.

553
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was it was frustrating.

554
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 2: It sucks, but I could see like they want to

555
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 2: make sure they continue that winning track and just getting

556
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 2: people here that can do that.

557
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is how ask those are things that those

558
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 4: are tough questions. You got to ask them. It's so hard.

559
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 2: I just think after the last game, I don't think

560
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 2: that should have been asked.

561
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like let's let's settle, let's battle Sandy

562
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 1: as a coach.

563
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 2: Like even if those have been conversations, like you don't

564
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 2: do it after the last game of the season. And

565
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 2: I'm sure it was one of our liberty like journalists.

566
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 2: So to me, that's kind of like, just put some

567
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 2: ice on it for right now. I'm sure you're going

568
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 2: to ask in the future, so maybe just wait. But

569
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 2: I think they could have gave more respect to Sandy

570
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 2: just to not do it right then and there.

571
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 1: When I think about what they have asked or things

572
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: that you've you know, just throughout your career, even going

573
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: back to your college career, you've been in these these

574
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: moments where they've they've taken your coaches and a lot

575
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: of the especially a lot with women's sports, they highlight

576
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: the coaches a lot in a lot of ways. I'm

577
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: glad that that's starting change. But like when you were

578
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 1: at Tennessee, yeah, and under the Great Pat Summit, he

579
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: said that we would talk about her, yes, exactly, and

580
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: she obviously is a legend in her own right right

581
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: now when you were I remember one time interview in

582
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: Canda's Parker, she was like, whenever I would mess up,

583
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: I could feel Pat staring.

584
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely.

585
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 4: She was like, I'm not looking that way because I

586
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 4: feel her.

587
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 2: Okay, eyes like those blue eyes on you, Like it

588
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 2: was nothing to play?

589
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 4: Was it a death stair?

590
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 2: It was a death stair for like a thousand miles away,

591
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,479
Speaker 2: like you could feel it.

592
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 3: So yeah, Cannis is right, how did she recruit you?

593
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 2: It's funny because Tennessee was always my number one because

594
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 2: I'm from Nashville, so of course, why not play for

595
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 2: a great coach and be two hours from home, have

596
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 2: my family there. But that was at the time I

597
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 2: wasn't really getting a lot of notice from like any colleges.

598
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 2: So I was like, you know what, well, let's find

599
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 2: it back. What can you do to get in front

600
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: of pat?

601
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 3: Essentially?

602
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 2: And I had like three more years of AU left,

603
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 2: so I just made sure I did my best at

604
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 2: the biggest like AAU tournaments like.

605
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 3: The Boo Williams Nike Nationals.

606
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 2: Those are really things I just had on like my board,

607
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 2: just to do like my best, and before you know it,

608
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 2: like I had offers from everywhere. So honestly, there was

609
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: a point where I was going to pull Tennessee off

610
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: the table just because I'm like, I'm getting letters from

611
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 2: I got letters from Yukon, North Carolina like everywhere that

612
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 2: I wanted, like really big name schools. But I was like,

613
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 2: what's important to me? What's my why? And I said,

614
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 2: I want my family to be able to come. My

615
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 2: parents don't travel that much because they have other kids

616
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 2: to care for. What will be the easiest, Tennessee, What

617
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 2: would my coach be like? You will never be able

618
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 2: to replicate a coach like past summer.

619
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 3: That's too.

620
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 2: My sister at the time was playing volleyball for Tennessee,

621
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 2: so I would have a sister maybe ten minutes from

622
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 2: my dorm room, and I shared a room with her.

623
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 2: That was my last roommate before going to college with

624
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: my sister. So I was like, it's going to be

625
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 2: like home all over again. So honestly, Tennessee made the

626
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 2: most sense, and I was like, you know what, it's

627
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 2: just time to just pull the trigger. So I was

628
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 2: in my sixth period class and I got a call

629
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 2: for my coach, like past summit's here at the gym.

630
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: I was working on like an ape paper at the time,

631
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: and my best friend was next to me.

632
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 3: I was like, can you come to the gym with me?

633
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 3: And she was like sure.

634
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 2: She had no idea Pat was going to be there.

635
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 2: So we're like walking to the gym.

636
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:24,959
Speaker 3: I walk in.

637
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 2: Mind you, my high school team we weren't that good

638
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 2: by my senior year. My sophomore year, we're going to

639
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 2: stay championship. Senior year, we were not good.

640
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 3: I walk in.

641
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 2: The girls are going like a million miles per hour.

642
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 2: Pat is in the middle of like half court of

643
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 2: the chair.

644
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 3: Just watching everybody run up and down. I've never seen

645
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 3: my team play like this before. We're like, what team this?

646
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, like like y'all are putting on for a Pat

647
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 2: and I like, I actually love it.

648
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 3: I get it. Yeah, we're putting on a show.

649
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: So she we walked to my coach's office and she's like, well,

650
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 2: you mind if I go in there with you? And

651
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 2: my coach grew up going to like Pat summer camps

652
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 2: and she was i'll say hughges Hooper at the time.

653
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 3: So I was like, yeah.

654
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: So we all go into the office and Pat kind

655
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 2: of just like sits down and was like, is he

656
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 2: just telling me you're coming to Tennessee.

657
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm.

658
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: Coming to Yeah, I'm coming to Tennessee like gangster.

659
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, very like, yeah, you're coming to Tennessee. Right.

660
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 2: That is how Pat is. Like she just talks her

661
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 2: talk and very confident in it. And I had so

662
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 2: many lessons like that going through Tennessee. But yeah, at

663
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: that time, she was just like, let me know what

664
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 2: you want to do, like we would love to have you.

665
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 2: And I remember asking her, like what do I tell

666
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:36,959
Speaker 2: the other coaches?

667
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 3: She was like they'll.

668
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 2: Understand, Yeah, they'll understand. I'll let you know. If you

669
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: need to say anything on these calls, you're going to

670
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 2: be there, that's fine, but you know, just let everybody

671
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: know you're coming to ut And that was the start

672
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: of my career. I'm so happy I made that choice.

673
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: When you get there and you and you and she's

674
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: your coach, uh, does it feel intimate?

675
00:28:58,680 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 4: Does it feel connected?

676
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: Does it like let me just put you through to

677
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: hange the hell out of you until you figure it out.

678
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 3: The pat that.

679
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: I got during recruitment was not the same path that

680
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 2: I got when I got to Tennessee. Let me tell you, like,

681
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: of course, And that's just a common thing that I

682
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 2: want athletes to know, Like the coach that you get

683
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 2: during recruitment, they're going to be And I won't say

684
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: fake because Pat isn't fake, Like she's very real with you,

685
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 2: but she's still very a Southern woman that I've grew

686
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: up around. So they're gonna tell you all the things

687
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: that they have and love you. But once you get there,

688
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 2: it's time to get in line and get with the program.

689
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 2: And nobody was above the program at Tennessee, not Candice,

690
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 2: nobody like it did not matter.

691
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 3: And that's why I.

692
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: Respect Pat like that, and because sometimes I feel like

693
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 2: coaches have a hard time really in big star players

694
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: and they don't know how much that messes with the dynamic.

695
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 2: But when you keep everybody accountable across the board, you

696
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 2: get so much out of players and you know what

697
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 2: to expect out of them every day. When you don't

698
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 2: hold players to the same accountability level, it's just it

699
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: crazs like a power dynamic, and it just makes it weird.

700
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 2: So I've always respected Pat for that. So yeah, I

701
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: got there. She whipped us in the shape. I didn't

702
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 2: play much my freshman year. I was playing behind like

703
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: four All Americans. It was never gonna happen. But I

704
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: think that taught me. Like going into the W Actually,

705
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: my first year, I didn't play that much either. I

706
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: was with Phoenix, with Sandy, We had BG Yeah, Diana,

707
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 2: we had Cannons, du Pree Penny.

708
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 4: It just was chill, yeah, chill.

709
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. Like my first year.

710
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: Obviously you're a freshman in college, you know, like I

711
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: want to play every minute and then like it kind

712
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 2: of humbles you. So going into the W I was like,

713
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 2: I've been here before. I'm gonna let them kind of

714
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 2: do their thing and I'll show up and do my

715
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: job when I'm ready.

716
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: I explained this to people who don't really understand the

717
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: w There are so few spots, so for you to

718
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: be able to consistently show up even if you don't

719
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: get playing time, then they value you, and.

720
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 4: So for you to be able to and then also

721
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 4: some stuff is unfair.

722
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: I get it, But there is this thing of like,

723
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: I've been in the W four however many years that

724
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: I've been able to stay consistent in spite of injuries,

725
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: in spite of whatever is happening to me.

726
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 4: That speaks to the talent level. And also how you

727
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 4: how you move because a lot of it's political.

728
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 3: It's very political.

729
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: How do you deal with the political aspect of the NBA.

730
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 2: I think I'm numb to it at this point. I've

731
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: had politics in my basketball journey since high school, which

732
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: is so weird because I'm like, I'm only here to hoop.

733
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 2: That's all I want to do. But I wish I

734
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 2: would have paid more attention to the politics because they

735
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: actually make huge, huge changes and decisions in your journey

736
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,959
Speaker 2: with basketball. So I wish I would have paid more

737
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: attention to that. But I think just kind of dealing

738
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: with the politics. I just let my game show for itself.

739
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: And there's even times where that's not enough, and I

740
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 2: hate that. So I just I try to do the

741
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: dirty work. I do the things that people don't necessarily

742
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 2: want to do or add to their game, whether that's

743
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 2: defending or rebounding or just playing gritty like, those are

744
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: my things that try to outweigh the politics. But there's

745
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 2: honestly times where I just ignore it. I love proving

746
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 2: people wrong. Yeah, I love hearing something about me and

747
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 2: being able to do the exact opposite, you know.

748
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of haters in this.

749
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: Game and so many Yeah, and you can just either

750
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 2: let it take you or just thrive on it.

751
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 3: So I've just I found a good way of.

752
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 4: Just the good balance of how to deal with it. Yeah.

753
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 4: I was at where was this this week?

754
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, Monday, Tuesday, maybe Monday or tuess, I

755
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: can't remember.

756
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 4: But when I.

757
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: Watched the Physicality Ors exit interview. By way of background,

758
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: I've had her on the pod, Yes, yes, I had

759
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: her on the pod to talk about Unrivaled in the

760
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: beginning of the year, and I also had her on

761
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: after she lost to the liberty, and it was the

762
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: unrivaled of it all, losing to Liberty, her relationship with Stewey, Olympics.

763
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: It was just a lot of things that were happening,

764
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: and we talked about all of those things. And I've

765
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: always we've had a lot of interaction. I've always thought, like,

766
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: I respect how she carries herself. She's very professional on

767
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: and off the course. She just is, and so it

768
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: requires you to step up and be a little more professional.

769
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 4: You have the same And she was.

770
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: Talking about officiating, you know, two years ago, like complaining

771
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: about it, how unfortunate it is as.

772
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 4: A player in the in the w y I And

773
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 4: I will say this.

774
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: I know people who work in the league office who

775
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: say their argument will be these these referees are doing

776
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: the best that they can and they have a ninety

777
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: percent accuracy rating, but when they and that's just the

778
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: human eye.

779
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 4: So I don't know if you can actually test that

780
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 4: or not.

781
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: I don't know how well then I don't know, like somebody,

782
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: yeah exactly, somebody will tell me that's their response to

783
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: the media.

784
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 4: But I look at it, I'm like, this is crazy.

785
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 4: I got my eye test.

786
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: I see you, like Cardi B's like you know. So

787
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: I think it's uncomfortable when when I see things that

788
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: are just unfair. But I wonder if you how did

789
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,479
Speaker 1: you feel? And I saw that you said I stand

790
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: with fee. I was very happy that you said that,

791
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: so did I. I'm just keeping it bout.

792
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 2: Because that's not easy to come out and say what

793
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 2: she said, and like not only say it, but like

794
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: I got.

795
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: Receipts and I'm reading from a prepared statement, I'm giving

796
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 1: you quotes. So I dare you to say I didn't

797
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: say that. I dare you to say I didn't say that,

798
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: because the quote of it all, like for me as

799
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: a journalist, I'm like, the quote of it all says,

800
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: I dare you to say, to your point, I didn't

801
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: say that. So I was so proud of her in

802
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: that moment because it always takes one to change the game.

803
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: And it reminded me just of the history of sports

804
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: in general. There's always on a player, whether it's Babe Ruth,

805
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 1: whether it's Jackie Robinson, whether it's I'm thinking and people

806
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: who really Muhammad a lead and I'm not I'm not

807
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: liking her to those like in terms of greatness, but

808
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: in terms of what she did.

809
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 4: It is up that level. Yeah, when you saw her give.

810
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: Her four minutes and seventeen second speech, I don't know

811
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: if it's seventeen.

812
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 3: Seconds, it was seventeen yeah exactly.

813
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 4: I sat, Yeah, I was good for you. What did

814
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 4: you think?

815
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: I just.

816
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 2: I think when you're a professional, you can still get

817
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,479
Speaker 2: to your breaking point of like, I'm tired of being that.

818
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 2: I'm tired of taking like the political route, the nice route,

819
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: the formal route. Now we actually need to push the

820
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 2: needle and get things to work. I'm going to tell

821
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 2: you exactly how I feel. I'm not going to sugarcoat it,

822
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: and these are the facts. And I think the is

823
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 2: at that point, and we're all at that point. We're

824
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 2: tired of having to go back and forth with the

825
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 2: CBA because it's it. To me, it just shows like

826
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: clearly there's not a want to see the players and

827
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 2: value the players and to invest in the players when

828
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 2: you are the product, how else do you make this

829
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 2: go without us? So to not not even to the

830
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 2: proposal at the beginning was ludicrous. But now we're asking

831
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 2: you just to what's the compromise here? And there's no

832
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: togetherness that to me, it's like now it's giving that

833
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: you're just trying to have a protection of what y'all

834
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 2: have instead of knowing, like you, we're the reason why

835
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 2: you have what you have. And I know we address Kathy,

836
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: but it's along with all these owners for these teams

837
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 2: like you guys have to invest. We showed you this

838
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 2: is a very valuable product, and we've taken so so

839
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: much less for so long. We're not at that point anymore,

840
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: and we're definitely not gonna let this happen with this

841
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 2: CBA because it's gonna be so transformative. And the fact

842
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 2: that we're even like discussing a lockout is it's ridiculous

843
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: to me.

844
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 3: We know what we deserve, and I.

845
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 2: Just think the lack of cooperation has been frustrating from

846
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 2: all parts.

847
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: Do you think her statements came from one the officiating

848
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 1: but to also how the CBA negotiations are going.

849
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean with her injury one, you

850
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: saw show crash out when your star player goes out

851
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 2: like that, and we all know eighties and very physical

852
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: players too, So I don't think it was anything you

853
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: It was exactly it was a play for the ball.

854
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: But just I think it's not about that play, but

855
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 2: probably the plays before that led up to that frustration

856
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 2: that oftentimes. I think players and coaches can get to,

857
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 2: like again their breaking point with referees, and I think

858
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 2: more players and coaches will be okay with what's being

859
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: called if there was more of a relationship between these

860
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 2: refs and the players.

861
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 4: And is there no relationship.

862
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 2: I mean, you have some that's been in the game

863
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: for a couple of years, so you know, just naturally

864
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 2: you start to know each other. But a lot of

865
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: these refs come into the league and they don't know

866
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: anything about us. Who knows what league they're coming from

867
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 2: from the training? Is it G League, college, we don't know.

868
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: But they don't know us as players, So I think

869
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 2: that kind of helps them be able to understand who

870
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: we are. And sometimes the calls that they make is

871
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: just like you don't know how this player plays, or

872
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: you don't know who this is. I don't know how

873
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: to explain it better than that, but I just I

874
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: wish there was more of like a relationship that will

875
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: be built with the coaches and the players to the referees.

876
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 1: Do you think the referees, from my understanding, they're part time,

877
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: They're not full time referees because of the truncated season,

878
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: or they can't be full time, they have.

879
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 3: Go to other leagues.

880
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 2: I've seen these referees in AU as well, and I've

881
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 2: had a rough that was I've had her for years

882
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 2: and she almost fouled me out of the game in AU.

883
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 2: I was like, this is and say, you know who

884
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: I am. You know the type of player that I am,

885
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 2: so to call these fouls on me? And I do

886
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 2: this in the league and I never get called. And

887
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: I think that's also the issue too, the inconsistency of

888
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: the type of calls that are being played. And and

889
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to also touch on the idea of why

890
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 2: is playoff officiating different than regular season officiating, because it's

891
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: just I don't know what to expect going into every game,

892
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 2: and sometimes you know players and see a certain ref

893
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 2: calling a game and it's like, oh God, it's gonna

894
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: be a long night to night.

895
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 3: It shouldn't be that way.

896
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 2: If there's like a set of rules and how things

897
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,439
Speaker 2: should be called. Why are players so frustrated when certain

898
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 2: refs get certain games?

899
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 4: And that's in the NBA, that's across sins.

900
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: They understand who those players are Chris Paul had an

901
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: infamous back and forth with So let me ask you this,

902
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: I and I don't. I hate comparing the NBA to

903
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: the WNBA, so I try not to do that. But

904
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: what you just said, I have a few questions. I'll

905
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: hear somebody say these these referees are part time because

906
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: of the truncated season, but these referees have a good

907
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: percentage on getting most of the calls right. According to FI,

908
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: Kathy England Bird said the only people who complain about

909
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: the refs are the losers. That's just not true, right,

910
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: because that's not a fair statement.

911
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 2: No, I think I'm not gonna speak for Kathy, but

912
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: I think her point could have been like, you don't

913
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 2: want to point the finger. We don't want to point

914
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 2: the fingers, say it's the referee's fault because we know

915
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 2: they're doing their best.

916
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 3: What's going on.

917
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: I think the wording and the verbiage of that is

918
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 2: crazy to say anybody that has a thought or comment

919
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 2: about are losers, Like.

920
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 3: I don't understand that.

921
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 2: So I'm understanding why Fee was so frustrated with that comment.

922
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 2: But I think it's it's about it's about hearing the players.

923
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 3: If this has been a constant.

924
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: Or at least pretending because because at least like you care,

925
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: because I feel like I feel like the commissioner of

926
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: the w n b A.

927
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 4: Her responses are so tone.

928
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 3: Deaf, they're very yeah, I could see that.

929
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 1: Like she went on the CNBC and I and they're

930
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: asking her about racism and what's going on with Kaitlin

931
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: versus Angel and she's like, we have a good business.

932
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 3: We're like we saw that, we saw that.

933
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: And it just and I can say that because I'm like, wait,

934
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 1: that's not you didn't answer the question. And the same

935
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: thing with her response to what feasts YEA?

936
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 2: Is it?

937
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,439
Speaker 4: Is? It? Is it that you all don't feel seen

938
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 4: and heard?

939
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I could say that's probably a consistent comment

940
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: made towards her, and I hate that because we are

941
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 2: our league of women and women that actually uplift each

942
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 2: other and like really encourage each other. And she's the

943
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 2: head of the ship. And I know that Kathy has

944
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 2: came in probably into the w looking at it in

945
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: a business aspect, like how do I continue to build this?

946
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 2: And she's bringing in you know, X y Z. But

947
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 2: you have star players players in general, but star players

948
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 2: wanting that relationship from you and feeling like that's.

949
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 3: Not a priority for me, And I would hope that she.

950
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: Sees that and kind of reflects her own while also

951
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: I know there's a lot of jobs to have to

952
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 2: do this every day and to be the w commissioner.

953
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 3: So I'm not saying her job is easy either.

954
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 2: I just think if you hear your players kind of

955
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 2: wanting that relationship and wanting to hear and that care

956
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 2: and concern, like pour into them and do that, there

957
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 2: is a.

958
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: There's a train of thought that because I have been

959
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: there through the commissioners before, she's to me has seemed

960
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: the most impactful in terms of the business aspect. She's

961
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 1: very business savvy. Yes, right, she is business savvy. I

962
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: will say that about her.

963
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 4: But the is it?

964
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: Is it the fact that she needs to feel a

965
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: little more relatable in a league that is very diverse,

966
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 1: and she doesn't feel relatable?

967
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 3: Is that?

968
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 4: What is that?

969
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 3: Is that?

970
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 4: The issue? I think white woman feels like she's all

971
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 4: about business. I'm saying that. She's not saying that.

972
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying that, and it doesn't in a league where

973
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: seventy some percent of the women are black and or

974
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: LGBTQI A and Yeah, you don't feel like you understand

975
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: my real humanity.

976
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:37,479
Speaker 4: That's what I'm talking about.

977
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 2: I think I think she also, I think there's also

978
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 2: might be this separation from like the league to the

979
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 2: business side. I don't feel like I've ever felt like

980
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 2: super connected with her, and that's just not how I

981
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 2: feel and that's not I'm not the only one that

982
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 2: feels that way, and I've never kind of felt that

983
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: way with our past commissioners. And I think that's what

984
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 2: people just want out of her, that connection. I think

985
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: that's a huge part of being a leader. It's you know,

986
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: establishing those relationships and cultivating those And like I said,

987
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: if you hear Fee speaking about it, you just have

988
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: to know how the last person on the team might feel,

989
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 2: right like, from top to bottom. This is a constant

990
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: concern and I think that would be something that she

991
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 2: should look into because I think it would make a

992
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 2: difference into not only the CBA negotiations, but just her future.

993
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: In the w Yeah, I think Fee was like no

994
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: vasily hit them up every song you can think of.

995
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: She eat there literally and it was like I got

996
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: enough money to take whatever fine this is. And in

997
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 1: fact I've created something, yeah, that the players seem to enjoy.

998
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: Y'all can do it too, if I've been me and

999
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: my husband.

1000
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 3: You listen to the players.

1001
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: It's a player led league, and I think that's why

1002
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 2: I unrivaled in a you do so well. We hear

1003
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: we other players making these changes in day to day

1004
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 2: decisions on what should be added, what do we need,

1005
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 2: and it does well and the fan scene to respond.

1006
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 2: So again, you just hope that it doesn't come from

1007
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 2: like arrogance that they don't see these things happening and

1008
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 2: like not act on that. And I think she has

1009
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 2: one of the easiest jobs. Just listen to the players,

1010
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: just listen to what we're saying, and then let's go

1011
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 2: from there. So from the referee standpoint, I don't know

1012
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 2: what all can go into the maybe more training, maybe

1013
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 2: keeping the same refs in the league longer, pulling different

1014
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 2: rest from I don't know.

1015
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 3: What could go with that.

1016
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 2: But I think with these new CBA negotiations, I do

1017
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: believe that she just has to come to a real

1018
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 2: conversation with us and these owners about how can we

1019
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: mutually go forward together.

1020
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 3: And it's not them versus day, it's a we thing.

1021
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, And do you feel like it's a we thing

1022
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 1: or is it a me thing? Meaning I've heard players

1023
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 1: say it feels like it's about her.

1024
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 4: It doesn't feel like it's.

1025
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think this is a collaboration at all. Like,

1026
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: even just knowing the first deal that was offered to us,

1027
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 2: it was like, there's no way you think we're going

1028
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 2: to agree to this, So why do you value us

1029
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,959
Speaker 2: like that? Like, why don't you think this is going

1030
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 2: to grow? And it just seems like there's not going

1031
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 2: to be understanding and a lockout is very a high

1032
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: situation for a lockout to happen, And that's kind of

1033
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 2: it's terrible because we're making so many like good moves

1034
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: in the w We're making so much progress and I

1035
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,959
Speaker 2: would hate for that to be halted because we can't

1036
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: come on the same page. So it definitely doesn't feel

1037
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 2: like a team thing right now at all.

1038
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 1: When if you submite those comments, I knew the CBA,

1039
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: but you all were in negotiations, and in my mind,

1040
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: I was like, she's like now or never.

1041
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 3: Now or never.

1042
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 2: I feel the exact same way because there's so much

1043
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 2: change that we can have in the CBA that we've

1044
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: never had before, and just the benefits that we can

1045
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: have as players that we've seen other leagues have for

1046
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 2: so long. And like you said, I don't want to

1047
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 2: compare our league to other leagues. I hate doing that

1048
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 2: as well. But you take notes. You take notes, and

1049
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 2: we have advisors of other leagues helping us with the CBA,

1050
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 2: and they're like, these are the things you guys have

1051
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 2: to ask for. So we have the knowledge now, and

1052
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 2: obviously we have the power as well, because you can't.

1053
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 2: You can't get there without us. So like, what are

1054
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: we going to do?

1055
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 4: You know, leverage?

1056
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: What do you say to the folks who say you

1057
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: guys just started getting popular, which isn't true, So why

1058
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: walk away now?

1059
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 4: It's not smart?

1060
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: Why what do you say to people who say that

1061
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: the people who have just started to watch the WAKA,

1062
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: who didn't know that as your person, we always been popping.

1063
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, I think to say that those people it's like,

1064
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 2: like you said, they're new fans. You don't know the

1065
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 2: history of this league and how fruitful it's been.

1066
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 3: We might have been.

1067
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: Able to be covered by TVs, and that's because of

1068
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 2: their lack of seeing how we're valued in our purpose.

1069
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 2: But this product and the talent and these players have

1070
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 2: been along for a long time before me, and they're

1071
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 2: going to be here after me.

1072
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 3: So you have to pour into this now.

1073
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 2: And I get it that we've had players pop off

1074
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 2: like in the past two or three years, like a

1075
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 2: lot of these rookies coming in just kind of changing

1076
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 2: the game, and we love it. But they also know

1077
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 2: that they wouldn't be here either with the players without

1078
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 2: the players that came before them. So clearly they don't

1079
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: know their history. And you guys think we're going to

1080
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 2: step away, but we know our value. And if we

1081
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: have to step away to show you guys that, then

1082
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: that's what's going to happen.

1083
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,959
Speaker 4: All the things that I have been saying, I'm so glad. Yes,

1084
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 4: I hope you know your value.

1085
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting how women are socialized and

1086
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: how the world deals with women. I think that's the

1087
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 1: biggest problem with the w NBA. They don't value you

1088
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: as an athlete first, they value as a woman, and

1089
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: so you have to always battle that. I'm really curious

1090
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: today there were Kaitlyn Clark on her exit interview, so

1091
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: that she stood with Fee, She understood with Fee was

1092
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: saying she sides up the question about I believe in

1093
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:52,439
Speaker 1: my opinion about Kathy Engelbert, But when you think about

1094
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: Kaitlyn Clark and people have this and I'm constantly defending

1095
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: the women of the league because I hate how they

1096
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: say they're jealous. I also feel like, so what if

1097
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: we don't like you? No one is questioning whether or

1098
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 1: not Michael Jordan likes Isaiah Thomas. Nobody questioning whether magic

1099
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 1: food with Isaiah anymore, Like if.

1100
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 4: He didn't, he just didn't. Lebron maybe didn't like Steph

1101
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 4: for Hotman, and when Steph was the guy who cares.

1102
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 4: That's a part of the game.

1103
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: It's just a part of the game. And I and

1104
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: I respect you if you say you don't like somebody.

1105
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: I don't like.

1106
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 4: Everybody I work with quote unquote colleagues.

1107
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 3: It's hard.

1108
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: We just don't vibe. It's fine though, It's fine, and

1109
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 1: I'm stay right here. And I think more and more,

1110
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: and the media is that followed at this too. The

1111
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: more and more that we tried to defend you all

1112
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 1: and also defend Caitlyn at the same time, I think

1113
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: we realize that maybe we don't like certain aspects of her.

1114
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 4: Game, and that too is okay.

1115
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,959
Speaker 3: Do you feel like there is.

1116
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: Caitlin versus the w NBA or the players of the

1117
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: w NBA. Do you feel like there is this commonsation

1118
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 1: or is that starting to settle, especially since she missed

1119
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: most of the season.

1120
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I could take it back even to my

1121
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 2: time in Chicago last year with Angel and Caitlin, and

1122
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: it just was like, are we even here to play

1123
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 2: basketball anymore? Because the narratives that I would see every

1124
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 2: single day about those two, it was draining.

1125
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 3: You couldn't even focus on the game anymore.

1126
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 2: And again, I've never seen anything like that during my

1127
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 2: time in the w So I'm like, I get people

1128
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 2: do the drama and the click big thing, but it

1129
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 2: was turning into like having effects on like people in

1130
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 2: real time.

1131
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 3: So I don't know much about Kaitlin.

1132
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 2: We've never really been in the same room, but I

1133
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 2: just know Angel probably she that was probably frustrating for her,

1134
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 2: of course, and it started, you know, in college and

1135
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 2: I went to that national championship game, and for the

1136
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 2: two of them to handle that much pressure and insults

1137
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 2: every single day, it's like draining. It's absolutely draining, But

1138
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 2: at the same time, there's going to be Caitlin defenders

1139
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,439
Speaker 2: and Angel defenders and they're going at everybody when it's

1140
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 2: like it doesn't they're not even in the same position,

1141
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 2: Like what do I mean, what are we talking about?

1142
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 2: I think great, just like Angel can be great, and like,

1143
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 2: I'm just kind of tired of the conversation. So unfortunately,

1144
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 2: like Caitlyn couldn't play this year, and I don't know

1145
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 2: if it died down because of that, but I know

1146
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 2: that conversation isn't going anywhere at all. I just I

1147
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 2: kind of just let it be because it happens in sports.

1148
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 2: It happens in sports, and I think oftentimes and women's sports,

1149
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 2: we are usually closer to each other. So when it happens,

1150
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 2: it's like, this isn't like our league. But we're also

1151
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 2: growing in viewership, so people are going to make little

1152
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 2: fan bases like that, and it is what it is now.

1153
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 2: I feel like a part of that came along with cyberbullying. Bullying,

1154
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 2: and you know, I know if it's affected me at

1155
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: a point, you know, teammates in general, and I think

1156
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 2: that is the conversation that should be had because it's

1157
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 2: it's like, we have nothing to do with this, it's rivalry, like,

1158
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 2: that's not on us. I think there should be more

1159
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 2: of a protection to protect players in those situations, and

1160
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 2: there wasn't necessarily anything like that available, So I think

1161
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 2: that's something that the league should continue to invest in.

1162
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, I just wish they would just let us

1163
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 2: play and leave without the pettiness, because like, I'm over it.

1164
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: I think this year was interesting because she didn't play

1165
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: to your point, at least not most of the year,

1166
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 1: and I think that it showed a lot of different

1167
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 1: things and the NBA is still very successful and still thriving.

1168
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: Whether they needed her an angel and the perceived rivalry

1169
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 1: to bring the eyes, it's still as intense, it's still

1170
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: as amazing watching, you know, watching Game five with the a.

1171
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 4: Why I can't go to bed now.

1172
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 2: The game and then I see players like Obnestly Sims

1173
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 2: and like, oh my god, shape Petty and just you

1174
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 2: get to see the Gretes, you get to see the greats,

1175
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 2: and I think, oh, it's been struggling to get in

1176
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 2: and out the league for a while, but she definitely

1177
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 2: solidified herself. But I've seen this every single year, and

1178
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 2: athletes unlimited like oh comes to compete. She can score.

1179
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 2: It's hard to stuff that stopped that left handed drive. Like,

1180
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 2: the girl's talented. And I'm just so happy that she

1181
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: had a huge platform like this to finally show.

1182
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 3: It and just yeah, there's players out there that still

1183
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 3: know how to play.

1184
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 2: They might be ducked off and tucked away in the roster,

1185
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 2: but they could still play given the opportunity.

1186
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was special, actually really good for you. Do

1187
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: you believe that that rivalry, or or the perceived rivalry,

1188
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: even though they didn't have the same position, helped the

1189
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,479
Speaker 1: league grow?

1190
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Like even in Chicago we didn't have the best facilities,

1191
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 2: like that was very known. I think just the attention

1192
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,280
Speaker 2: in the eyes that Angel brought to Chicago was huge,

1193
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 2: Like there were so many fans, so many people just

1194
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 2: supporting Chicago and obviously it was a successful organization when

1195
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 2: Cannis was there, she brought a championship. But just like

1196
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 2: the and like the constant love from the fans, I

1197
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 2: felt like I felt.

1198
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 3: That a lot last year in Chicago playing.

1199
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:11,720
Speaker 2: There, and just the partnerships we were having, like deals

1200
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 2: thrown at the team left and right, because obviously she

1201
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 2: was a part of it. So it was pretty cool.

1202
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 2: To see that investment into the team.

1203
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's some benefit from from I have said this,

1204
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: and I don't know if players agree.

1205
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 4: Look I don't I have.

1206
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: I love a rivalry, a perceived rivalry, a made of rivalry.

1207
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 4: I'm media. I love it.

1208
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: I love the fact because it drives storylines and it

1209
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: brings in characters that we haven't paid attention to before.

1210
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: But you guys are one hundred percent humans. But to me,

1211
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,439
Speaker 1: it was all good at the end of the day

1212
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: because I was like.

1213
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 4: Good people are paying attention. I remember interviewing Candice when

1214
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 4: I was on Sports.

1215
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: Center and she was like she didn't want to tell

1216
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 1: the stories because she felt like she couldn't. And now

1217
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: here we fast forward to Phoebing, like, so I have

1218
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: a prepared statement and I'm all like, we've arrived. We've arrived,

1219
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: And by that, I mean I've been celebrating you all

1220
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 1: forever and we've arrived. With that being said, I think

1221
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: that the way in which you have handled yourself, you

1222
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: are an example of more people across the board in

1223
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: terms of athletes like you have really handled yourself with

1224
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: so much grace and classes. And I'm sure they had

1225
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: something to do with being raised with several other a

1226
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: small little army of brothers and sisters and a really

1227
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: good mom and dad and.

1228
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 4: Who supported you.

1229
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: And you are the best of what people should be

1230
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: like in terms of humans, and I wish you nothing

1231
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 1: but the best. But I appreciate your voice and how

1232
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: candid you've been and the way in which you carry

1233
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: yourself isn't like I'm shitting on anybody, but it's like,

1234
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 1: here's the story, here's the story, and the fact oftentimes

1235
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: teams kind of silence your your voice because it's a

1236
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: protection of themselves. But it's also like, we don't need

1237
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: to let everybody know what's going on with us.

1238
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's honestly the only time you can call

1239
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 2: for change. So I understand why Canis didn't want to

1240
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 2: speak about it. I get it in why players in

1241
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 2: the past didn't, because it's like, you want to protect

1242
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:08,439
Speaker 2: the people that you go to work with every day,

1243
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 2: but at a certain point you have to advocate for

1244
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 2: yourself and what you deserve.

1245
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 3: So that's what feeded.

1246
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: And it takes a certain personality. You got to be

1247
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: set up a certain way. All the things happen. It

1248
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: has to everything. Just the stars need to align for

1249
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: it to happen. I understand that it's about it's been

1250
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: a pleasure. You have a lupus walking on October fourth,

1251
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: so by the time the stairs, which is on Monday,

1252
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: the walk has already happened.

1253
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 4: Tell me about your dedication that lupas.

1254
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, my family has a long history with like autoimmune illnesses,

1255
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 2: and my sister, she actually passed away from Lupa's complications

1256
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 2: excuse me in twenty seventeen, twenty seventeen, And you know,

1257
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 2: I kind of wanted to partner with the organization that

1258
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 2: really just saw me and poured into me. And I

1259
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 2: also have two other siblings that deal with lupus, so

1260
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 2: right now verset in the process of finding my brother

1261
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 2: Kenny Donor. My other sister kind of has like her

1262
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 2: ups and downs with it. So I just wanted to

1263
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 2: like bring it to a platform that is like seen

1264
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 2: and understood. And I didn't know how how much it

1265
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 2: affected the African American community. I had no idea. I

1266
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 2: thought it was just my family, But I've gotten so

1267
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 2: many messages from just people from all over just giving

1268
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 2: me their story and like what they've done to deal

1269
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 2: with it, and their doctors and rheumatologists like donor like

1270
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 2: donation sites that you know, I wasn't aware of, so

1271
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 2: really giving Lupis this platform to kind of blossom into

1272
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 2: what it is, the Lupis Foundation. They've just supported me

1273
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 2: for like the past four years now. So we're gonna

1274
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 2: do a walk together in New York. It's gonna be

1275
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 2: early brought in early what time we started at nine

1276
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 2: point thirty okay, And we're gonna do the walk. We're

1277
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 2: gonna bring all the doggies, so dogs are welcome, and

1278
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 2: me and Tasha going to be there and we're gonna

1279
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 2: have our shirts and kind of just to do something

1280
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 2: for the city. And all the liberty fans know about it.

1281
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 2: They've been talking about it like crazy. So I'm excited

1282
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 2: for it.

1283
00:56:58,360 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 4: Good for you.

1284
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: So that's where you live, that's where you're trying to

1285
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: just bring more attention and awareness. And is there or

1286
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: is that for more to raise money, for more awareness,

1287
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 1: to raise money for a cure.

1288
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1289
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 2: I think awareness is big for me, and I think

1290
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 2: that's when it starts to drive into the dollars for

1291
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 2: cures and finding out how many people are affected by this.

1292
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 2: I think that drives the importance of finding something to

1293
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 2: help these people. And I mean, we can go into

1294
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 2: the healthcare system I was in. I was with my

1295
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 2: brother in Indiana for WNBA All Star because it was

1296
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 2: there and I wanted to go and support Tosh with

1297
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 2: our All Star appearance. And I was in the hospital

1298
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 2: with him, and the amount of times that we had

1299
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 2: to be on the doctor's assets about just getting what

1300
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 2: he needed, and like there was no answers as to

1301
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 2: what was happening with him, and with autoimmune it could

1302
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 2: be literally anything, So like sending him to a hospital

1303
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 2: that has specialists that's very important, listening to like his

1304
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 2: caregivers of what they can do, and like just to

1305
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 2: help him.

1306
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 3: Like there was just that.

1307
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 2: Relationship between doctor and patients very very limited, and it's

1308
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 2: only until you advocate for your family and you just

1309
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 2: really press hard on what you want in this healthcare system.

1310
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 3: That's the only way that you get help. And I

1311
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 3: just hate to see my brother's struggle like that. So yeah,

1312
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 3: he loves you for that. Thank you.

1313
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 2: He's still having like his complications and I hate that

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Speaker 2: for him because he just wants to live like his

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Speaker 2: best life. One of the best athletes in the family.

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Speaker 2: Because we're all athletes, all my siblings. So I just

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Speaker 2: always wanted him to be able to live his hoop dreams.

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Speaker 2: But I think he just supports me in the meantime

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Speaker 2: and because of that, and yeah, I just want him

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Speaker 2: to have a healthy life.

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Speaker 3: It's all I want.

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Speaker 4: Amen.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's to the Lupus Walk. I hope you raise awareness.

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Speaker 1: I hope you guys support even beyond the walk. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being here, thank you for having me,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being so open and honest. I feel

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Speaker 1: like this was superb. I was like, you came to play,

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Speaker 1: this is great. I loved it.

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Speaker 3: I love being here and I love seeing you on

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Speaker 3: every platform. Then you come across my screen.

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Speaker 1: I was like, she's such a bad I'm like, give

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Speaker 1: me all the beauty secret We're gonna get a drink

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Speaker 1: after this.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna get all the beauty secrets.

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Speaker 3: I got it.

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Speaker 1: Isabelle Harrison on Naked Sports. Thank you, Thank you. There

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Speaker 1: has been so much news this past week with the

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Speaker 1: w NBA, and I'm really excited about the idea that

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Speaker 1: women are speaking up for what they want in a

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Speaker 1: league that for so long, at least in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: has not valued them. We are at a very pivotal

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Speaker 1: point in women's sports. And what I mean by that is,

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Speaker 1: if these women are finding their voices understanding their value,

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Speaker 1: things are bound to change. And it's not just for sports,

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Speaker 1: it's for a community, it's for collective worldwide. I think

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Speaker 1: that their shared experiences and frustrations can be talked about

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Speaker 1: with any particular industry. I don't care if you are

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Speaker 1: a hairstylist or a broadcast journalist or a dog walker.

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Speaker 1: There are things in which only women can talk about

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Speaker 1: it in a way that women can talk about it.

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Speaker 1: There's just shared understanding of wanting to be seen and heard.

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Speaker 1: And I'm so grateful that Isabelle Harrison y'all call her

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Speaker 1: Izzy y'all, came on the podcast today to talk about

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Speaker 1: her experience in the W and life outside the W.

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Speaker 1: I encourage you to support the WNBA, the New York

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Speaker 1: Liberty if that's your team. I just happened to be

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Speaker 1: in New York or any team nearby. But pay attention

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Speaker 1: to what's going on because it really is going to

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Speaker 1: set the foundation for generations to come again. We appreciate y'all,

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Speaker 1: but listening to Naked Sports. We'll be back next week.

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Speaker 1: Naked Sports written and executive produced by me Carrie Champion,

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Speaker 1: produced by Jacques Thomas, sound designed and mastered by Dwayne Crawford.

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Speaker 1: Naked Sports is a part of the Black Effect podcast

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Speaker 1: network in iHeartMedia