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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford. He is the one and only

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Speaker 1: West Hot Quits. We hope you had a wonderful Christmas

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Speaker 1: with you and yours. West is Week seventeen, Packers Lions

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Speaker 1: Sunday noon Central Time, kickoff at lambeau Field to wrap

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Speaker 1: up the season for both of these squads. Our midweek

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Speaker 1: show will take a quick look at the Detroit Lions,

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Speaker 1: and then I want to get to some of those

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Speaker 1: playoff implications around the rest of the league here for

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Speaker 1: weeks seventeen that I talked about on our previous show.

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Speaker 1: Want to make sure we get to that. But Detroit

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Speaker 1: five and ten, the Packers are six eight and one.

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Speaker 1: The Lions under first year head coach Matt Patricia, definitely

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Speaker 1: a season of ups and downs. Early on, they beat

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Speaker 1: the New England Patriots, they beat the Green Bay Packers

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Speaker 1: both at Ford Field. Was looking like Matt Patricia might

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Speaker 1: be putting something together in his inaugural season. That has

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Speaker 1: not been the case, and since then, quite frankly, we've

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Speaker 1: seen general manager Bob Quinn there and Patricia making a

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Speaker 1: lot of roster moves, trading some guys moving on from

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Speaker 1: other guys. They seemed to be in the process of

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Speaker 1: trying to mold a roster that Matt Patricia wants to

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Speaker 1: work with going forward. Do you think that's a fair

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Speaker 1: assess I think that's a pretty fair assessment. It seemed

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Speaker 1: to me, you know, they got that win over the Packers,

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Speaker 1: and they came back and beat the Dolphins after their

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Speaker 1: what was appearing to be a very uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: even NFC North playoff picture, but now losers of seven

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Speaker 1: when you look at you know, them coming out against

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Speaker 1: the Vikings trying to you know, make a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a statement. Matt Stafford only throws for a hundred

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Speaker 1: and sixteen yards. Uh. They really struggle to get things

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Speaker 1: kind of a difficult, tumultuous last two months for the

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Speaker 1: for the Lions, trying to find their footing in this thing.

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Speaker 1: They jumped on the Vikings nine to nothing. They were

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Speaker 1: in complete control of the game for the first quarter

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Speaker 1: and a half, even close to the first two full quarters.

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Speaker 1: The Vikings end up getting a touchdown late in the

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Speaker 1: second quarter and then hit the Hail Mary at the

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Speaker 1: end of the first half to take the lead. The

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Speaker 1: nine to nothing advantage for Detroit was gone, and then

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Speaker 1: they just it was like they had nothing left in

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Speaker 1: the second half. Yeah, And to be honest with you, Mike,

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Speaker 1: I think the big thing that they're dealing with you

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Speaker 1: talked about. You know, they made some of those trades.

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Speaker 1: They traded Golden Tate earlier this year. That's the one

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Speaker 1: biggest impact on this offense and on Matthew Stafford at

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Speaker 1: quarterback and everything. Well, because how many times, Mike, after

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Speaker 1: the retirement of Calvin Johnson did you and I discuss

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Speaker 1: how Golden Tate was kind of one of the guys

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Speaker 1: that helped them develop a new offensive identity. Absolutely, and

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Speaker 1: he was also I give a lot of credit, I believe,

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Speaker 1: correct me for wrong your Martin Mayhew was the one

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Speaker 1: that actually signed him, if I'm wrong on that. I

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Speaker 1: can't remember for sure about that, but I always thought

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Speaker 1: that for for wide receiver, it's such a mixed bag

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Speaker 1: gonna get a lot of times those guys best years

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Speaker 1: don't tratch the market. Golden Tate did and he had

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Speaker 1: a better second half of his career with Detroit than

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Speaker 1: And now, I mean, they look like they have a

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Speaker 1: one receiver for years to come. But I think right

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Speaker 1: as you said, one bona fide target. Marvin Jones Jr.

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Speaker 1: No slouch either, but just without golden tape, there's just

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Speaker 1: And interestingly here West I looked this up quickly before

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Speaker 1: going for their fourth consecutive victory over the Packers in

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Speaker 1: this rivalry. Last time the Lions beat the Packers four

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Speaker 1: consecutive times slash eighty three, thirty five years since that happened.

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Speaker 1: So the Packers hoping that that doesn't happen, and that

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Speaker 1: the number one thing here. The Packers at a time

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Speaker 1: He's been a real thorn in this defensive side for

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Speaker 1: see what happens here going forward with Detroit. Your thoughts

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Speaker 1: Packers fans be sure to stop in at your local

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Speaker 1: eighty nine sent refills on your Cafe Cruba coffee. All right.

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Speaker 1: West I mentioned on our show the day before Christmas

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Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings, they are the ones in control of

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Speaker 1: Central time kickoff. There. The Vikings win that game, they

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Speaker 1: Who do you think is going to get that last

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Speaker 1: how many times have you heard me say this? Over

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