1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:01,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to the warning. 2 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 2: I'm thrilled to have again with US fourth District Massachusetts 3 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 2: Congressman Jake Auchincloss. 4 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 3: Welcome, Congressman, See thanks for having me back on. 5 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 2: A lot of stuff to talk about that's going on 6 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 2: in the country, but I want to get right into 7 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 2: Los Angeles. You are a veteran, a Marine Corps officer 8 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: led Marines in combat in Afghanistan. One of the most 9 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 2: storied units in the history of the United States Marine Corps, 10 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 2: second Battalion, seventh Regiment, first Marine Division, has been taken 11 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: from their training cycle at twenty nine palms, put on buses, 12 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 2: sent to Los Angeles with a opaque mission, no ammunition 13 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: in their rifles, with authority apparently to be able to 14 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 2: detain American citizens people that are on the periphery of 15 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 2: protests awaiting law enforcement come then to arrest and to 16 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 2: make charges. I just wanted to get your reaction as 17 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: a Marine officer to the use of the Marine Corps 18 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 2: in this capacity, any thoughts you have for the young 19 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 2: Marines that are being sent into Los Angeles, and any 20 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:22,919 Speaker 2: perspective as a Marine officer that you would have as 21 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: a captain or a lieutenant in this circumstance. 22 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 4: Steve, It's not a use of the Marine Corps. It's 23 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 4: an abuse of the Marine Corps. It's deeply unfair, not 24 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 4: just to the residents of Los Angeles, but also to 25 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 4: the Marines themselves. 26 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 3: I trained in twenty nine Palms. 27 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 4: Twenty nine Palms is the premier live fire facility for 28 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 4: the United States Marine Corps as they train infantry marines 29 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 4: to locate, close with and destroy the enemy. And I 30 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 4: know what these young officers and non commissioned officers are 31 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 4: grappling with right now, and I think it's twofold. The 32 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 4: first is this sergeants and corporals. The sergeants and corporals 33 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 4: are probably in their late twenties early thirties. These are 34 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 4: marines who have been training for five to ten years 35 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 4: as infantry marines to do close quarters urban combat. And 36 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 4: that means that you train fires on a given building, 37 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 4: you clear out that building with three to five marines, 38 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 4: and then you train your fires on the next building 39 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 4: until you sequentially basically cordon off an entire section of 40 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 4: the city. It's the kind of combat that you do 41 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 4: against the People's Liberation Army or the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps. 42 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:32,399 Speaker 3: It is wholly. 43 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 4: Unfit for service if you're trying to do crowd control 44 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 4: in Los Angeles. And so these sergeants and corporals are 45 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 4: sitting there and they have to unlearn ten years worth 46 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 4: of tactical and technical training in four days worth of time, 47 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 4: and they have to really apply their marines to a 48 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 4: set of scenarios and skills that are just really inappropriate. 49 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 4: So it's deeply unfair of these sergeants and corporals. I'm 50 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 4: also thinking about the lieutenants and captains, and I was 51 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 4: a lieutenant when I was in twenty nine. Palms take 52 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 4: an oath to do two things, One to support and 53 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 4: defend the Constitution of the United States and two to 54 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 4: obey all orders from the President of the United States. 55 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 4: What are they supposed to do when the President issues 56 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 4: an order that does not support and defend the Constitution, 57 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 4: and that's what he has just done by violating posse commentatus, 58 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 4: they are put in an impossible situation. It's so unfair 59 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 4: for these twenty five twenty six year old young marine officers. 60 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 4: And when this judge rules against Donald Trump, as I 61 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 4: hope he does, this battalion commander needs to get these 62 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 4: marines back in the barracks immediately. 63 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 2: One of the things that I saw this week that 64 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 2: I found to be just jarring and alarming, and I 65 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 2: was wondering if you had seen it, which is Donald 66 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 2: Trump speaking in front of the eighty second Airborne Premiere 67 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 2: Light Infantry of the United States Army. 68 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: These are paratroopers, are wearing the maroon beret. 69 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: And if I'm thinking about the commanding general of the 70 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: eighty second Airborne Division, Sergeant Major, these guys should be 71 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 2: shamed in themselves like what I saw, total breakdown of discipline, 72 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: military bearing, bog conduct as they devolved into woops, cheers, oohs, 73 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 2: and ohs, burahs at partisan invective being hurled at them. 74 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 2: That is very disconcerting to see out of paratroopers of 75 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 2: the eighty second Airborne Division. 76 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: You have a. 77 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 4: Reaction to that shameful degradation of good order and discipline, 78 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 4: and it is bad for a Spree day Corps, for 79 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 4: the unit because for two hundred and fifty years, the 80 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 4: United States Army and Marine Corps and Navy have thought 81 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 4: of themselves as insulated from politics and above politics. And 82 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 4: it's worth contrasting Donald Trump's Fort Bragg address with the 83 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 4: Newburg Address from George Washington to the Continental Army Officer Corps, 84 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 4: and the Newburg address is to me underappreciated in the 85 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 4: scope of American history. Basically, his officer corp. At the 86 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 4: end of the revolution, we're so frustrated with the Confederation 87 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:06,799 Speaker 4: Congress about lack of pay, about lack of logistical support, 88 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 4: about frankly, they're incompetence. People hated Congress back then too, 89 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 4: that they asked George Washington to lead a coup against 90 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 4: the Confederation Congress. And George Washington stands in front of 91 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 4: his Officer Corps in Newburgh and he says to them, 92 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 4: this is not what we fought for. This is not 93 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 4: what we bled and sweat for for seven years over 94 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 4: the course of this War of Independence. 95 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:29,679 Speaker 3: We are not doing this. We are going to respect 96 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 3: civilian authority. 97 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 4: And it changed the course of American history because if 98 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 4: he had wanted to be a king, that was the 99 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 4: time to seize it. 100 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 3: He could have been a king. 101 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 4: And you contrast that remarkable statement of American freedom with 102 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 4: what Donald Trump did, and it really is it's enough 103 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 4: to make you see clearly the moment that we are in. 104 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: I want to. 105 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 2: Talk about the excellent columns that you're writing on your 106 00:05:56,160 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 2: sub stack, the Newburg address and the Newburg and that 107 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: you've talked about and how important that is. But before 108 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 2: we before we get there, I think one aspect of 109 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: this is that if you take Donald Trump at his work, 110 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 2: you take him both literally and seriously that this moment 111 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 2: has been building for some time. They have telegraphed it, 112 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 2: they have fetishized it, they've. 113 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: Drooled over it, and like a. 114 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 2: I don't know what the analogy is a fourteen year 115 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 2: old boy looking for the first kiss, sixteen year old 116 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 2: boy first drive in the in the car with the license. 117 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 2: But there is an enthusiasm that's plainly evident on the 118 00:06:53,279 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 2: part of gleney eyed sick of fans like Christino Corey Lewandowski, Tom. 119 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 5: Ho Omen uh Pambondy to employ and use the deadliest 120 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 5: military force in the in the world and descend it 121 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 5: into the interior of the country. 122 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: Uh as a as. 123 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 2: A demonstration of political power, political force. 124 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: Uh. It's it's utter pol politicization. And I just. 125 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: What do you make of the psychology of that, because 126 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 2: I think by by temperament right, and I don't think 127 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 2: I'm judging you wrong. I think that if you're in 128 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 2: a position in national responsibility, the last thing you would. 129 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: Ever want to do is deploy power troopers and marine. 130 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: Infantry units into the interior of the country to places 131 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 2: like Los Angeles, And I think it's the first thing 132 00:07:58,440 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 2: that these people want to do. 133 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: How do you explain what we're witnessing. 134 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 4: I think there's two vectors here. One is psychology and 135 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 4: one is politics. And the psychology front Donald Trump clearly 136 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 4: has the complex associated with so many authoritarians. It would 137 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 4: be authoritarians where they want to surround themselves with fixtures 138 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 4: and symbolisms of strength, right, military and otherwise. I mean, 139 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 4: he goes to UFC fights, he deploys the military. 140 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 3: He is a sick of fan of. 141 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 4: Vladimir Putin, who is to him this sort of strong 142 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 4: man ideal. And so there's a psychology there of Donald Trump, 143 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 4: who's clearly somebody who has some issues that he's wrestling 144 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 4: with about his childhood and his relationship with his father, 145 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 4: and you know how he feels about himself and projecting 146 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 4: onto that. 147 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 3: That's one element of it. 148 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 4: The other element of it is politics, which is the 149 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 4: military is the last national institution that has brought bipartisan 150 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 4: trust and support. And if you're the MAGA movement, what 151 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 4: you're seeing right now is that actually you are certainly 152 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 4: ceiling at about forty two percent, And if you're Donald Trump, 153 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 4: you are not actually sure where the floor is. It 154 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 4: could be as low as twenty five to thirty percent, 155 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 4: depending on how the economy looks in the next year. 156 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 4: You're seeing that the reluctant Trump voters of twenty four 157 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 4: really don't approve of your handling of tariffs, of your 158 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 4: handling of due process as it relates to the use 159 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 4: of immigration authorities in deportations. While people still broadly support 160 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 4: a deportation agenda, they don't like the visuals they're seeing 161 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 4: of people being harassed by ice agents. So you're seeing 162 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 4: your political standing slip on issues that you campaigned on, 163 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 4: the economy and immigration. So what do you do is 164 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 4: that you become a political parasite. You try to burrow 165 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 4: into the institution that has broad bipartisan support, the military, 166 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 4: and you try to use its favorable ratings with the 167 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 4: American public to buttress your own. And that's the politics 168 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 4: of this. He wants to be seen right now, not 169 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 4: as the steward of the economy, not as the president 170 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 4: in charge of security. He wants to be seen as 171 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 4: the commander in chief because that is where he feels 172 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 4: like he can inflate what has been sagging approval ratings. 173 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 4: And these Marine Steve second Battalion, seventh Marines, seven hundred 174 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 4: young men and women, did not bleed and sweat for 175 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 4: years to be political props for this president. 176 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: No, they did not. And it is it is just 177 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: it is just. 178 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 2: Appalling your substack, which is growing quickly, and I think 179 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 2: it's the best substack by any member of Congress, House Senate. 180 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:37,479 Speaker 2: And it's a place where the contours of the Democratic 181 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 2: Party agenda of the future are starting to be written. 182 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: Out in my estimation. 183 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: And so the name of the sub stack is simple, 184 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 2: not easy. And I love that. I've said that to 185 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 2: my kids. Right, you know, the simplest thing you got 186 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 2: to do every morning is just put your fat on 187 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 2: the ground and stand up right. But it's hard to 188 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 2: get out of bed, right, It's not easy to get 189 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 2: out of bed at five in the morning or five thirty. 190 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 2: And that's a perfect example of simple not easy. But 191 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 2: you go into in your sub stack. Really, it's an 192 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 2: idea generation substack about what the agenda of the future 193 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: has to be talked about the necessity for fundamental ethics reform. 194 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 2: You've talked about the necessity for there to be a 195 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: restraint on executive power, and that's what the Newburg agenda is. 196 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,719 Speaker 1: And you laid it out. And before we. 197 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 2: Get back into what the agenda is is you talk 198 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 2: about this moment with George Washington. This is an incredible 199 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 2: moment in the career of Washington, who is a tightly 200 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 2: controlled man, to say the least, he is emotionally constricted 201 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 2: to use the analysis language of the day, and George 202 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 2: Washington has overcome with emotion standing in front of his 203 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 2: officers and the revolution is hanging by a threat. What 204 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: the revolution was called by the people who fought it was. 205 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: The cause, right, the cause. When you have a cause. 206 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: Everyone knew what the cause was. It was freedom, it 207 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: was independence. 208 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:37,079 Speaker 2: People had grievances in the seventeen seventies, in the seventeen eighties. 209 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: Just like they do today. 210 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 2: And you had somebody who advanced the idea that we 211 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 2: can take power. We're strong, we got the guns in 212 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 2: George Washington comes in full of emotion, addresses his officers 213 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 2: and really it's one of the three instances where Washington 214 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 2: walks away from power that could have been absolute, which 215 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: is why we have the monument made to him in Washington, 216 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 2: d c. By which these troops will pass during the desecration. 217 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:15,479 Speaker 1: Ahead this weekend. But talk about. 218 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 2: This idea of restraint of executive power that's going to 219 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 2: be necessary as we get into. 220 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,119 Speaker 1: Twenty twenty eight to twenty twenty nine. 221 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 2: In the era beyond Trump, because we have to start 222 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 2: imagining it. 223 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 3: Now without doubt. 224 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 4: And when George Washington did that, when he walked away 225 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 4: from power, no less a person than King George the 226 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 4: Third said, if that's true, then he's the greatest man 227 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 4: in the world, and he was the greatest man in 228 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 4: the world. James Madison, though, understood that most men are 229 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 4: not like that, right Aszebel Gladams said, all men would 230 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 4: be tyrants if they could. And James Madison had the 231 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 4: brilliant insight that we have to make ambition counteract to 232 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 4: ambition in this government because we can't count on George 233 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 4: Washington's for the next, you know, two hundred fifty year 234 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 4: of this republic. He was obviously right about that, and 235 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 4: so he created these separations of powers and checks and balances, 236 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 4: and my argument is that those checks and balances have 237 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 4: gone misaligned in the last fifty years. The presidency has 238 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 4: consumed too much legislative power, first with war power starting 239 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 4: the nineteen seventies, then with spending powers, then with law 240 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 4: enforcement powers, and the Newburg Agenda is one way to 241 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 4: fix part of that. There's other ways. We can talk 242 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 4: about tariffs or empowerment, et cetera. But the Newburg Agenda 243 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 4: specifically focused on the use of the military for law enforcement. 244 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 3: And there's two laws that really matter here. 245 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 4: One is the Posse comment Tatis Act from the eighteen 246 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 4: seventies that basically says generally, the president can't use the 247 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 4: military for law enforcement. 248 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 3: And there's about a thousand. 249 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 4: Years of experiences and lessons about why that's a good idea, 250 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 4: because when presidents or any chief executive get to use 251 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 4: the military for law enforcement, what do they do. They 252 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 4: tend to bring power onto themselves and use it to 253 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 4: create a perpetual martial state. Then there's a exception to 254 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 4: the Posse Comma Tatus Act called the Insurrection Act, and 255 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 4: the Insurrection Act basically says, okay, the president can't use 256 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 4: the military as cops. But here's sometimes when he could, 257 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 4: and both laws are badly written. They're both too broad, 258 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 4: they're too vague, and the problem is it allows someone 259 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 4: like Donald Trump to plausibly assert Los Angeles in rebellion. Hence, 260 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 4: I'm going to activate marines and declare functionally martial law 261 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 4: in Los Angeles. Now, if I were a judge, I 262 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 4: would rule against him. I'd rule against them under the 263 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 4: Posse common Tatus Act. That I would rule against them under 264 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 4: the Tenth Amendment, which basically states that if there's questions 265 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 4: about who has the power to do what, the tie 266 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 4: goes to the states. And Gavin Newsom is saying he 267 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 4: doesn't want this, but even a liberal judge might rule 268 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 4: for the president. That means Congress needs to fix these laws. 269 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 4: And the most important fix that we can make to 270 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 4: this law would basically state, here is exactly when the 271 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 4: president can activate the military for domestic law enforcement? Really 272 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 4: only two ways, only two reasons. First an actual insurrection, 273 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 4: think like the Civil War. And the second is if 274 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 4: if a class of individuals are being systemically deprived of 275 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 4: their constitutional rights, think school desegregation in the South during 276 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 4: the Civil Rights era. 277 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 3: That's kind of it. 278 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 4: Otherwise, you have the National Guard to escalate responses to 279 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 4: natural disasters, but there's really no other good reason to 280 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 4: ever use the military. 281 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: I want to change subjects. 282 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 2: An area that you've been particularly focused on your congressional 283 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 2: service is the public health crisis that the country is facing. 284 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 2: Scientific research is under assault under the banner of the 285 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 2: Robert Kennedy regime at the Health and Human Services Department 286 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 2: vast powers, and his top guy is somebody named Cali Means. 287 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 2: We talked briefly about him last time you were on, 288 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 2: and a story has just come out about Cali Means. 289 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 2: It appeared in Vanity Fair. The Vanity Fair story follows 290 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 2: New York Times profile about Calli Means, and the New. 291 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: York Times profile asserts. 292 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 2: A biography about Means that is completely concocted. He's a 293 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 2: fabulous It's made up. And I know this because. 294 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 6: Calli Means was my assistant, and I can account for 295 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 6: every day of Calli means professional career from two thousand 296 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 6: and eight right through. 297 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 2: This very moment that we're that we're speaking. I know 298 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 2: everything he was doing every week of every month of 299 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 2: every year, right up through his getting involved in all 300 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 2: the Magus stuff. The sweat lodge, him taking shrooms and 301 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 2: coming up with the idea that he ought to bring 302 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 2: Robert Kennedy and Donald Trump together. So what at the 303 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 2: end of the day of a special government employee in 304 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 2: the White House and Robert Kennedy's right hand guy, who 305 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 2: has all of these conflicts of interests, who is threatening scientists, bullying, blustering, 306 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 2: doing all sorts of bad stuff out there, can we 307 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 2: expect to see CALLI means, testifying before a Congressional committee 308 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 2: under oath about his background, about his record, about his credentials. 309 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 2: If the Democrats take the House majority in twenty twenty 310 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 2: six and have. 311 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: The majority in the one hundred and twentieth. 312 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 4: Congress, Yes, and he'll have a lot of answers. He'll 313 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 4: have a lot to answer for. First, he'll have to 314 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 4: answer for what seemed to be sweeping conflicts of interest. So, 315 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 4: as you know, Steve, while he is serving as probably 316 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 4: the most influential policymaker within health and Human Services, and 317 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 4: I actually put him above RFK candidly, he also is 318 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,719 Speaker 4: running a business on the side called Trumed. And what 319 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 4: Trumed does is that basically helps people use tax preferential dollars. 320 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 3: So pre tax dollars to buy. 321 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 4: Supplements and sauna and other broad health and wellness items, 322 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 4: and they create these letters of medical necessity that basically 323 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 4: allow people to buy things that have no scientific basis 324 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 4: for their efficacy. Well, what is he doing while he's 325 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 4: in the public sector. He is changing benefits design from 326 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 4: CMS to make it easier for his company to allow 327 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 4: people to get letters of medical necessity and to allow 328 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 4: people to use pre tax dollars to buy. 329 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 3: These health and wellness supplements. 330 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 4: So he is directly self dealing with true met and 331 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 4: this is a pattern that we see across the administration. 332 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 4: There's Brad Smith who's doing the same thing with his 333 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 4: healthcare products and services company. 334 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 3: Brad Smith ran. 335 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 4: Healthcare for DOGE for the first one hundred days and 336 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 4: hooked up his investors at Main Street Health and RFK 337 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 4: of course, has a series of conflicts of interest with 338 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 4: vaccine litigation. So they're all self dealing and they are 339 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 4: putting their personal profit ahead of public health because functionally 340 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 4: their aim is to in our healthcare system into one 341 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 4: giant GNC store where you go out there you have 342 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 4: no idea what works and what doesn't. Snake oil salesmen 343 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 4: are constantly peddling things, and there isn't a basis of 344 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 4: scientific utility behind things that the average consumer can buy 345 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 4: with their hsas or under insurance. Now we have to 346 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 4: push back on that. People deserve to know if what 347 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 4: they're putting into their bodies is safe and effective, as 348 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 4: confirmed by randomized, double blind trials surveyed by the Food 349 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 4: and Drug Administration. 350 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 2: It's an extraordinary moment here in these United States. In 351 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. We're going to have a very difficult 352 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 2: summer in this country. It hasn't begun yet, We're still 353 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 2: a week or so away, but Donald Trump has announced 354 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 2: himself with clear intention, and I think the American people 355 00:20:56,040 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 2: are not going to enjoy his enforced plans. And we'll 356 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 2: see what public opinion does and how it reacts to 357 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 2: all of this in the in the short, medium and 358 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 2: long term here over the remaining five hundred days. 359 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 4: Public pressure matters here, and this is the biggest I 360 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 4: met with my constituents over a big zoom town hall 361 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 4: three days ago. My biggest message to them was, don't 362 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 4: give in to the sense of nihilism or our apathy 363 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 4: that he wants you to feel. Their their muzzle velocity 364 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 4: flood zone strategy was designed to disorient and demoralize. And 365 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 4: if you actually look at authoritarian playbooks from democratic backsliding 366 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 4: in Latin America or Europe, what you see is that 367 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 4: would be strong men are constantly probing and testing the media, 368 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 4: the judges, the military, the election system. What can I do, 369 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 4: What can I get away with? And when they get 370 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 4: away with something, they get stronger, they expand their averting 371 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 4: window of authoritarianism. And when they don't, when they you know, 372 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 4: they touch that stove and they get burned, they deplete 373 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 4: their political capital. They get less credible to their own 374 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 4: not so much their own hardcore supporters who are on 375 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 4: with them regardless, but to those people who are on 376 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 4: the fence right, those people who want to see where 377 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 4: the wind is blowing, who end up making up the 378 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 4: decisive vote. 379 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 3: And so it does matter. 380 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 4: It matters that Garcia is brought back from Al Salvador, 381 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 4: even if they charge him with crimes. Charging him with 382 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 4: crimes underdue process is totally legitimate. If he was violating 383 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 4: the law, it matters that he got brought back. It 384 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 4: matters right that in my district we get this eighteen 385 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 4: year old who is detained on the way to volleyball 386 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,479 Speaker 4: practice an honors student, that we get him released from detention. 387 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 4: Because every time they touch a stove and it's hot 388 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 4: and they pull back, the political capital is depleted and 389 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 4: the authoritarian playbook for them works less well. And this 390 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 4: deployment of marines to LA and the threat to deploy 391 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 4: them to Chicago or New York or Washington, DC, this 392 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 4: needs to be met with solidarity and public pressure. And 393 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 4: it's on us as Democrats to not make this about 394 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 4: everything right, to not tell people that you can't be 395 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 4: with us against his abuse, posse commentatas or do process 396 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 4: if you don't agree with us about this, that or 397 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:05,719 Speaker 4: the other issue. 398 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 3: We have to create one long pull in this sand. 399 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 4: We oppose an authoritarian and we welcome everybody to a 400 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 4: post and with us, even if you disagree with us 401 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 4: about how you might govern going forward, that's okay. 402 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 3: We need you here with us right now. 403 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 2: I just want to thank you very much for your time. 404 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 2: One thing that I want to say to everybody is 405 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 2: that as you hear this is that you can follow 406 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 2: the congressman on sub stack, simple but not easy. It 407 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 2: is a great sub sect and there's a lot of 408 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 2: great ideas that are there going to become important for 409 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 2: the recovery the renewal of the Democratic Party in our 410 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 2: two party system. We need a healthier Democratic Party, and 411 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 2: we needed yesterday to be able to have the credibility 412 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 2: to make the arguments that need to be made that 413 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 2: the American people need to hear. Very easy to be 414 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 2: cynical about politics in this moment, but when you see 415 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 2: j awk and class and you follow him, is going 416 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 2: to help you raise up your idealism because there is 417 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 2: still the best in the brightest out there that are 418 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 2: serving in positions of responsibility and prove that public service 419 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 2: is a noble thing right, that being a Congressman can 420 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 2: be a noble undertaking. And we have people like Jake 421 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 2: Auchincloss and the Congress that are clearly, directly and absolutely 422 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 2: on your side, and so to support them, follow them, 423 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 2: and listen to them, because it's gonna take real leaders 424 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 2: with new ideas to help get this country out of 425 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 2: the mess that it has found itself in. After a 426 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 2: long season of wishing the problems that we're building up away, 427 00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 2: well they're here, they are clear, and we're gonna have 428 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 2: to offer something better in order to get out of this, 429 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 2: and Jake Auchinclaus is one of the guys who is 430 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 2: on the better side of that equation. 431 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: So thank you very much. 432 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 3: I appreciate it, Steve. Thanks having me. 433 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 2: On you bet my pleasure. I'm Steve Schmidt. This is 434 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 2: the warning. I invite you to join this community where 435 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 2: I promise to be honest, blunt and direct about what 436 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,719 Speaker 2: is happening in this country. America is in crisis. Follow 437 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 2: and subscribe to this channel and on substaff. 438 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: Thank you