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This 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:35.320 week we're going to talk about a mystery um that 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:39.160 we are calling officially the death of Mary Anderson, but 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:44.560 is actually Jane Doe one nine u f w A. 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:47.640 No one of those is her real name. Yeah, one 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:50.360 of them is not her real name. Both of them aren't. 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:53.760 Probably it's probably neither of them. Um, So quick overview 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:58.480 of the case as we do. On October nine, a 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:02.800 woman named Mary Anderson checked into room to fourteen of 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:06.880 the hotel Vintage Park in Seattle, Washington. She paid cash 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:09.760 for two nights day and it wasn't really a cheap hotel, 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:13.679 but she paid cash. And then on Friday morning, when 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:16.040 chuck out time had come and gone and she didn't 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:20.000 check out as expected, the hotel staff you know, tried 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:22.840 to gain access to her room and then couldn't, so 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:25.919 they it was it was dead bolted, so they had 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:29.000 the emergency override to get into her room and found 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:33.760 her dead on the bed. Electronic block. Yeah, I mean 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:35.679 they had some sort of a way. You have to 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:37.520 have some way to get into these rooms, right, and 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:41.240 there's always dead bodies, and it was a lot. Yeah, 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:44.440 So they found her dead. She had left a note, 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:48.440 and then she when they tried to notify next of 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:50.560 kin or the police trained to notify next of kin 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:52.679 based on the information she had left, it turned out 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:56.640 that um, not only was Mary Anderson a fake name, 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:00.480 but the phone number and the address that she had UM, 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:03.480 the address was non existent and the phone number didn't 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:07.400 belong to her. UM, and she's still unidentified. Yeah, she 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:10.720 appears to have made the name Mary Anderson maybe up 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:13.760 on the spot. Apparently there's hesitation marks in her signature 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:18.880 or writing of the names in the note. No, no, 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:20.880 on the on the stuff of the hotel when she 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:24.440 signed in. And I canna say on the note there's 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:27.120 no hesitation, but you know you have to you have 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:29.640 to fill your paperwork out when you when you Yeah, 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:32.920 that's where the hesitation marks were. And and just remember 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:35.960 this is pre nine eleven, So when we're talking about 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:39.880 trying to track her via flights or anything like that, Um, 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:43.760 that doesn't really happen. And then UM, I presume that 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:46.680 they since she paid cash upfront, they didn't really care 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:50.640 if she had a night record or anything. Yeah, Yeah, 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:53.840 so let's back up a little bit, although there's not 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:56.520 much backing up to be done because we literally don't 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:59.880 know anything about where Mary was before she checked in, 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:02.640 and then once she checked in, she pretty much didn't 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:05.560 leave the room. She put the do not disturb sign 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:08.720 up on her door. As far as we can tell, 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:11.680 like as soon as she checked in dead bolted herself 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:15.960 in there and just never came out by the time 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:18.000 they found it. Was she kind of ripe or she like, 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:20.760 you know, she immediately committed suicide or no, I think 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:23.640 it was fairly recent. I mean, I don't the room 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:26.280 wasn't warm or anything like that, and there's no mention 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:30.600 of her being pungent composing, and it was only two 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:34.520 days a stable environment like that, I don't think that 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:40.760 she would have been experiencing any massive degradation, would assume. So, um, 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.400 let I have a copy of the note that she 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:46.560 left a copy. I have just the note that she left. 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:49.919 You don't have the actual note. I don't have the 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:53.160 copy of I just have the words that she wrote. Uh, 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:55.839 and her note said to whom it made concern, I 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:57.840 have decided to end my life and no one is 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:01.840 responsible for my death. Mary Anderson, PS, I have no relatives. 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:04.520 You can use my body as you choose. So what 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:07.320 they do with your body? Um, they held it, they 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:09.960 didn't sell it. No, they held it in the morgue 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:13.560 for eight months. I think. Well, they were trying to 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:16.000 identify her and then finally embalmed her and buried her 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:18.719 in an unmarked grave. But there's a grave number and 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:20.359 all of that stuff. So if you want to go 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:25.960 visit your grave, yeah, yeah, she's buried um at Seattle's 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:29.880 Crown Hill Cemetery and she's in grave number one nine 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:32.960 seven A. So if you want to go visit Mary Anderson, 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:36.279 Seattle listeners get on that, would you. Yeah? And also 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:38.880 Seattle listeners if you wouldn't mind swinging by the hotel 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:40.560 A vintage. I want to know if they still have 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:43.920 room to fourteen or if that's permanently closed off of time. 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:48.520 It's my it's actually um my understanding it is closed off. 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:51.760 Read an article from just a couple of years later, 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:55.039 and the the investigative reporter said he wasn't able to 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:57.480 gain access to it, although I'm not sure if that 0:05:57.520 --> 0:05:59.479 means that he was just trying to break into the 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:02.279 room or if he was trying to rent it, but 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:05.120 the hotel won't talk about or maybe he was just 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:07.320 lazy and he wasn't able to gain access because he 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:10.480 never tried. No, I think he'd tried. Um. Well, this 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:12.760 is one of the ones that will post um. You 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:16.200 have to weigh back machine it. But it's an incredibly 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:21.039 thorough investigation of what happened, I guess. I mean that's 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:23.719 the frustrating. Yeah, that's the frustrating thing about this case. 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.200 And we'll just talk about everything that we know and 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:29.120 then we'll talk about everything else. So the note that 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:31.640 we're talking about that was handwritten, It was handwritten on 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:35.279 it was I'm sorry, it was quote unquote scribbled on 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:37.800 a piece of hotel stationary. You know they give you 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:42.160 those little notebooks or whatever and a pen. So Mary 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:45.120 was estimated to be between thirty three and forty five 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:47.159 years old. And we will talk about this later because 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:51.279 I presume you guys looked at the pictures that she 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:52.840 does look a little old than that. But we'll talk 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:57.000 about that in a second. She was about five eight 0:06:57.200 --> 0:07:01.800 five ft eight inches I think it was five eight, Yeah, 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:05.720 but I didn't transfer that into international units. Sorry, that's 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:10.000 about That's about seventeen kilos and about half a kilometer 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:14.400 or something like that. Yeah, something like that. Yeah, and 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:17.360 then she weighed two hundred and forty pounds, which I 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:22.360 think is like two stone maybe I don't know, like 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:26.640 five thoms. Yes, I'm pretty sure that's accurate. She had 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:30.160 reddish brown hair and brown eyes, and metric again, that 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:34.320 is what just kidding, reddish brown and brown. I think 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:39.880 I think it translates pretty pretty significantly accurately. Significantly, yeah, accurately. 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:45.120 She had a copper i U D inserted, which is 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:51.560 birth control for those of interuterine device. She had had 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:54.600 some sort of breast surgery at some point which produced 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:58.239 scars on both of her breasts um and then also 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:00.360 around the nipple area, so it was like from the 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:05.800 under side um. Her hair was combed, her nails were 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:10.280 neatly trimmed and painted like a white cream pearl color. 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:13.920 She had makeup on, she had a dental plate in 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:16.920 her mouth um, and she was wearing black leggings and 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:23.320 a black top wa dental plates, so that's basically dentures. Okay, Yeah, 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:25.720 making sure I understood what that, man, I suddenly realized 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:28.640 that it wasn't sure she was laying on top of 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:31.880 the bed. I guess. I don't know if there were 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:33.520 two beds or one bed in the room, but she 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:36.080 was laying on top of it. The sheets were turned 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:38.720 down neatly underneath her, so she had, you know, turned 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.000 the sheets down so that she wouldn't get them dirty, 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:44.760 and laid on top of them. She was propped up 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:48.480 against a you know, a bunch of pillows. The top 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:51.040 are ones, not the ones that you sleep on, the 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:54.800 decorative ones. They were like a dark print. Um, so 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:56.600 it seems like, you know, she was trying to be 0:08:56.640 --> 0:09:01.280 as as convenient as possible. What was going to happen after? Yeah? Yeah, 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:04.640 she had a large Bible open, face down on her 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:10.520 chest to Psalms twenty three, not the hotel Bible. I know. 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:13.199 I don't think it was the hotel. The impression that 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:15.600 it was her own bible, somebody's Bible, but it wasn't 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:18.800 the hotel one. Yeah, and you for those of us 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:20.840 who don't know, can one of you guys read this 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:25.240 this psalm? For us? It's pretty normal. This is one 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:27.640 you've heard. I mean, if you ever watched any TV 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:29.840 show or any movie where somebody gets killed and they 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:32.560 cut to the funeral scene, you're hearing one of two songs. 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:34.199 You're hearing this one or the other one that goes 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:38.480 ashes to ashes, dust to dust. So this one goes three. 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:40.800 The Lord is my shepherd. I shall not want He 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:43.240 maketh me to lie down the green pastures. He leads 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:46.280 me beside the still water. She restores my soul. He 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:50.040 leads me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake. Yeah, 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:51.760 though I walked through the valley of the shadow of death, 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:54.080 I will fear no evil, for thou art with me. 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:58.320 I Rod and the staff, they comfort me, that prepare 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:00.880 state table before me, the president us of mine enemies. 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:04.079 And this is totally channeling Shatner. Uh. That annoys just 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:07.880 my head with oil. My cup runneth over uh shore. 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.160 The goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:11.360 of my life, and I will doll in the house 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:15.400 of the Lord forever. Okay, and Shatner Uh. The one 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:18.680 thing about everybody talks about Psalm twenty three, which may 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:20.920 or may not mean anything. If you're looking at any 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:24.280 standard Bible, there's a number of psalms on each Yeah, 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:26.440 So if she could have been reading Salm twenty two, 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:29.360 I mean, which you know immediately precedes it. Sal twenty 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:33.720 two is a little bit darker. But you know, actually, 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.480 if you got Joe has a Bible in the studio, 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:40.280 it's a smaller Bible than the ones that I haven't. 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:42.280 Well that's not true. I have a couple at my house. 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:44.800 But you know there's the study Bibles, which are usually 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:47.560 those like really big ones, and often they just have 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:50.200 like one or two psalms on a page. And actually 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:52.679 the copy that I have just has one full psalm 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.960 on a page. Um and sometimes you know, a couple 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:59.160 of lines from the previous one make it onto the page. 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:01.760 But I think it's possible. It just depends. There's so 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:03.880 many different Bibles, you don't know, there's so many different 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:07.280 but it is possible to get a copy of the 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:11.280 Bible where it's basically just one full text of one 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:13.240 full psalm on a page and then you know a 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:16.240 couple before and after of others. Yeah, on this on 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:18.320 this one, essentially they all run, you know, page, they'll 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:21.480 run back to back, so that the tenor of the 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:23.679 song twenty two is a little different. Starts out like this, 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:28.199 my God, my God, why hast forsaken me? Why arn't 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:30.080 thou so far from helping me? From the words of 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:32.840 Mike groaning, Oh my god, I cry by day but 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:36.480 that dost not answer? And by night but find no rest, 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:39.480 not that, and on and not from there, A little darker, 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:42.920 much darker. Yeah, but some who knows, not that it 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:44.959 means much of anything, but it is a little bit 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:50.320 more despairing than Psalm twenty three, where she was maybe 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:54.120 at I don't know. It's hard to tell. Everything seems 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:59.280 really meticulous with her. It seems very prepared, almost like 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:02.360 the KGB and like laid the whole table out a 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:05.000 little bit, and we talk about that, and there's actually 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:07.880 let's talk about the things she had in the room 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:10.480 and kind of the overall everything, and then you know, 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:12.839 when we get into theories, I guess we can talk 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:16.360 a little more about how we feel about her. You know. 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:17.920 The problem with this case, and I'm sure I know 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:19.760 that Steve and I talked a little bit about this, 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:21.760 and I know he'll talk probably a little bit more 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:25.240 about this later, is that this case has like there's 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:28.680 almost no information. I think, you know, I bulked out 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:32.760 a page on this of like actual known facts on 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:35.640 this case, and that's with a heat with an entire 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:39.800 psalm in it up. Yeah, I'm just like totally like 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:45.560 sound half that day. I do. Yeah. But there's a 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:48.480 lot of a lot of talk about this, and a 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.240 lot of people have seemed to infer a lot of things, 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:56.040 a lot of stuff stuff sculus. There's like a forty 0:12:56.720 --> 0:13:00.320 four page long web sleuth thread dedicated to this case 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:04.800 and sist, yeah, I know it is. That's why you 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.319 don't do these guys. Okay. So she did have a 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:11.120 number of miscellaneous items with her in the hotel room. 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:14.880 She had, um the lord jumpsuits plural, but I don't 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:18.360 know how many. I think maybe two would be my guest, 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:21.880 but I don't actually know they actually I think they. 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:25.680 I mean, you know, the track suits not jumpsuits, sorry, 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:28.960 track suits is the word that I meant. The tops 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:31.400 in the bottoms of the zippa putty um and either 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.040 depending on the account that you read, even they were 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:37.960 packed neatly in her luggage or hung neatly in the closet. 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:42.960 But it's always like neatly and orderly. She had a 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:46.040 pair of shoes. She had a pair of size ten slippers, 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:48.640 which is what she was. She had a nice pair 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:53.120 of black leather gloves, which I understand were maybe from Nordstrum's, 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:55.319 but I don't know where people may have picked that 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:57.680 up from. I think it was a brand. Um. She 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:00.360 had a nice leather purse. She had some I stay 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:07.320 Lauder cosmetics, toothpaste, perfume, meta mucil, packs of dry crystal 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:14.240 lite pantyhose, and iron and a kitchen bowl. Not totally 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:17.920 clear on the bowl or I guess I would. I 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:20.200 guess add the iron in there too. But everything else 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:23.600 seems totally normal for a trip. Actually, you know, it 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:27.840 sounds to me like if you're a regular hotel goer. Um, 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:30.360 most hotels have a fridge and things like that, and 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:34.600 they usually have like little plastic disposable captain glasses. They 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:36.360 usually don't have bowls. So so if you like to 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:38.400 save money and just eat a little cereal for breakfast 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:40.360 in your room, for example, having a bowl is a 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:42.920 handy thing. It's the iron is the same thing. You 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:46.440 can get an iron from the front desk. Typically, all 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:49.040 I've ever stayed in has a has a. I've been 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:51.080 in many hotel rooms where you have to go to 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:53.680 the front desk to get the iron. Really, yes, you 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:57.120 must be staying in a crappy hotel. Hotel, I mean 0:14:57.160 --> 0:15:00.200 there in the room. Yeah, this is a nice ho tell. 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:02.680 So they would have had an iron. I wouldn't make 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.320 that presumption. But the point is, I'm following what Joe saying, 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:09.800 is that if you're if you're traveling frequently, that's something 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:12.720 you would have just in case you don't have to 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:15.960 try and find somebody at the office at five am 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:17.960 when you need to iron something. I guess I'll just 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:23.080 point out, however, that um leggings, uh T shirt and 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:28.480 blower jumpsuits are not exactly do not support the need 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:30.840 to iron. Yeah, I will agree. Yeah, maybe it was 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:36.480 an interrogation device. Maybe yeah. And I'll just mention that 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:38.960 the lead investor on this case, I've read a couple 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:42.680 of interviews with him, and he has said over the 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:46.320 years that there was a newspaper that was open that 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:50.400 had a couple of maple leaves on it, and said 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:53.760 that he and the other investigators at the time just 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:59.080 saw it, and I think they just assumed that they 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:02.000 would find out. I mean, you know, by all accounts, 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:04.720 this should have been an open and shut case. They 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:06.800 had her name, they had her address, they had her 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:08.360 phone number, they should have been able to figure out 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:11.400 who she was. Um. And so they didn't really pay 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:15.600 attention to these things. UM and he thinks there may 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:18.680 have been some significance in that, or that she left 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:22.400 a clue or something like that in that that arrangement, 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:25.120 but that they never actually paid much attention to it. 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:28.040 So I will mention that, and that is that maybe 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:30.760 the clue that's lost to the ages. But on the 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:33.640 other hand, I don't necessarily think so, you know, it 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:37.040 could be as simple as it's October in Seattle, or 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:39.640 and and she saw some good looking leaves, or it 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:42.880 could mean she was a Canadian secret agent or something 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:46.880 else or just Canadian. Yeah, or it could be nothing. 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:51.240 Yet she paid, as I mentioned, in cash for both 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:54.960 nights ended up being about three and fifty dollars. It 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.160 was a hundred and seventy five dollars a night cash, 0:16:57.240 --> 0:17:00.240 which is not significantly less than it is out. But 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:04.159 it's like five hundred and fifty dollars in cash, and 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:08.200 that's not that's nothing. That's not nothing. And she didn't 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:10.440 have a whole lot of money with her. I think 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:13.280 she maybe had like thirty four dollars in her wallet, 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:17.200 but no idea or anything like that. Um. She reportedly 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:19.400 when she checked in, she didn't speak with an accent 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:22.919 or anything like that. The police, you know, when they 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:24.920 were called and they were searching the room, they did 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:29.720 find uh empty glass on the nightstand next to her 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:33.240 that was found to have traces of cyanide in it um, 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:35.600 which is the way that that was her cause of 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:39.600 death is she killed herself by cyanide poisoning. And that's it. 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:44.040 That's literally everything we know about Mary Anderson. Much has 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:46.080 been written about her, but nobody knows what the hell. 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:49.720 Nobody knows anything. Yeah, they did. I think they did 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:51.600 check out like East Coast, just to see if she 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:54.040 was from New York, which is where the address was. 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:57.199 But the address was non existent, and actually it does, 0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:00.479 it's not non existent, exists, but it just it's just 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:03.160 the street address exists in New York. But she gave 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:05.199 the wrong ZIP code to go with it. Yeah, and 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:07.560 she just wrote new York, New York, which a lot 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:10.160 of people from New York have mentioned. You don't say 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:15.000 New York New York, you say like Queens New York. Right. Well, 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:17.960 if you're if you're from one of those places and 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:20.560 then the area code of the of the phone number 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:23.399 that she gave was also totally the wrong area code 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:26.120 for that area, but apparently it was a fairly limited 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:28.600 areas like New York number though it is, but I 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:32.040 think it was like upstate New York or something. Um. 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:35.160 I probably could have googled this and found out, but 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:40.679 it's all just kind of it's all wrong. So I 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:43.119 guess for me, I don't put a lot of stock 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:46.280 and interest into oh, this address, she like thought a 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:48.560 lot about it. I don't think she did. And then 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:53.200 in terms of Mary and actually indicates something though it might, yeah, 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:55.320 might it indicates to me she's not from New York. 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:57.720 Oh yeah, I would agree with that, Yeah, totally. I 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:00.720 would also say that if she were from the East Coast, 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:03.280 most people from the East Coast speak with an accent, 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:07.080 and a hotel clerk in Seattle would have said, yeah, 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:09.919 she spoke with a I don't think no accent doesn't 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:14.119 pertain just to no heavy European or you know, English 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:16.280 wasn't her first language accent. I think it equates to 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:19.760 no no accent whatsoever. Yeah, But I mean there's also 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:23.480 she could have had a very slight accent. I have 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:26.280 a friend who's from New York, and I don't ever 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:30.359 notice an accent until she takes a trip back to 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:34.439 New York and she shows up at the office and 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:38.040 suddenly she sounds like she's from like she's from New York. 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:41.280 It comes and then it bleeds away slowly over time. 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:46.679 Maybe that's what accents do. Yeah, yeah, go ahead. Did 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:48.440 you want to talk about we gotta we gotta talk 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:50.560 about the New York stuff at any time? Or should 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:52.440 we talk about it now? We talk about it now? Well, 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:54.760 you got the thing about New York is that's great 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:56.440 if you're on the West coast. Is it's like clear 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:59.199 across the continent. It's a really huge city. So if 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:01.080 you run into somebody it was from New York, you 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:03.040 need to say, oh great. But everybody's from New York, 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:05.639 so not surprising. We don't know each other obviously. And 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:07.879 but what is kind of clever? I don't know if 0:20:07.920 --> 0:20:11.160 she was clever at that's just purely accidental. The address 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:15.200 was like one thirty two weeks Third Street and there there. 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:17.760 That address is in two places. It's in Lower Manhattan 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:21.440 and it's in Brooklyn. And so she was that clever 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:24.800 in picking her alias in her legend. Then that's really awesome. 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:26.840 She can stay from me a third Street and they say, 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:28.720 oh my god, I used to live right around the corner. 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:30.440 And then she said, oh, well, I lived on the 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:33.399 one in Brooklyn, or vice versa. I mean, maybe she 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:36.000 did that, she was that clever. I mean, I guess 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:40.000 I don't think she, to be honest, I don't think 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:42.639 she put that much thought into I mean, right, what 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:49.119 it's it's one second. I mean like it's just like 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:53.239 one to three Northwest Third Avenue. I mean, like if 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:56.359 there's not a that's not a made up address, I 0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:59.200 really don't. I don't know what it is, you know. Yeah, 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:01.440 but think, well, the other thing about New York is 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:04.520 that um and you can't appreciate it this if you're 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:07.119 not from the Northeast, you can't really appreciate this. But 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:10.040 everybody in the rest of American knows all about New York, 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:13.119 and so it's a natural pick if you're from If 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:15.680 you're not from the Northeast and you're looking for just 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:17.720 a fake city to throw out there, this big well 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:20.240 in New York, it obviously comes to mind for everybody 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:23.719 in America. Yeah, yeah, pretty much that New York of course. Yeah, obviously, 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:26.200 that's why I think she's probably from the West. Yeah, 0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:29.720 I think New York is a I mean, yeah, totally 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:32.040 it is. Um and then, uh. The other thing that 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:37.320 people have mentioned, which is actually probably true, is that 0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:40.720 at the time, there are two major soap operas that 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:43.800 were on Both of them had leading characters who were 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:47.680 named Mary Anderson. On them, there were um and So 0:21:49.440 --> 0:21:53.040