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Speaker 1: Rock Mosley has been a bass Master Elite for the

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Speaker 1: last ten seasons. He got to win just a couple

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Speaker 1: of years ago on the Sabine River. Happy to have

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Speaker 1: him on. There was some drama that popped up recently.

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Speaker 1: I'd heard through some grapevines, though, that it wasn't one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent of what people on social media said, because

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Speaker 1: I had heard from a really good source that Davy

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Speaker 1: Height did not try to get you kicked off the elites.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where that rumor came from unless there's

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Speaker 1: more to us than that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know where if it all got started. And

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Speaker 2: I'm quite frankly, I'm like, I just want to show

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Speaker 2: up and fish and do my job and that's it. Like,

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's so much drama around our sport right now,

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Speaker 2: and I don't want to be like, I want to

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Speaker 2: stay hysterious clear as far from as I can.

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Speaker 1: Did all that stuff kind of throw you off with

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Speaker 1: the Sabine No.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean it was just tough, like what I

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Speaker 2: won two years ago. I never caught one over two

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Speaker 2: pounds in practice. It just wanted The deals were a

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Speaker 2: few more or less catch the good ones in the

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Speaker 2: tournament and it just all works out. I guess your

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Speaker 2: time to win. When I got on TikTok the night

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Speaker 2: before the tournament and seen somebody had started talking about

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Speaker 2: this kind of stuff like it had me worried, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: oh crap, Like I'm gonna get in trouble for something

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Speaker 2: I had nothing to do with. People have asked me

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Speaker 2: questions like, man, I'm just here to fish. That's it right.

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Speaker 1: It's like Marshawn Lynch when he sat down in front

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Speaker 1: of the press and he was like, I'm just here,

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Speaker 1: so I don't get fine kind of deal catching fish.

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Speaker 2: And promoting sponsors, and that's what I'm here to do.

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Speaker 1: Bro, you killed me a couple of years ago when

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Speaker 1: you went on the Sabine. I thought it was awesome

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Speaker 1: that you won, but you obviously want a tournament where

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Speaker 1: guys are catching, you know, one and a half two

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Speaker 1: pound fish like we were just talking about. Is that

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Speaker 1: how you envisioned your first win as an elite to

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Speaker 1: be is to be in a tournament where you're fishing

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I don't know if I ever envisioned

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Speaker 2: my first win or not especially several times, but one

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Speaker 2: of my most favorite classics looking back on is three Rivers,

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Speaker 2: you know in Pittsburgh, just because nobody knew who was

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Speaker 2: going to win, Any bite could change the outcome. And

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Speaker 2: I've always those kind of tournaments has always kept my

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Speaker 2: attention more where I'm from, you know, that's kind of

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Speaker 2: what we're faced with every weekend as a tournament angler,

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Speaker 2: is you go fish for seven or eight bites a

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Speaker 2: day and they wait what they wagh. There's no like, hey,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go fish to win. You go fish

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Speaker 2: for bytes and they weigh what they weigh, and if

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Speaker 2: you win, you win. And those kind of tournaments keep

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Speaker 2: my attention longer because even as an angler, like I know,

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Speaker 2: one swing at the back can change the whole outcome

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Speaker 1: Is it impressive that Pat was able to lead every

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Speaker 2: Well, we've seen it in years past. He didn't necessarily

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Speaker 2: have that fourteen to fifteen pound day, but somebody has

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Speaker 2: that bigger day which he had to twelve pounds to

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Speaker 2: We seen Hackney do it. I didn't necessarily do it

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Speaker 1: Daniel and I were talking about this last week. We

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Speaker 1: were talking about Lake Fork and how I don't think

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Speaker 1: start giving out accolades because of how big those fish are.

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Speaker 1: But I love that you go from a big bass

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Speaker 2: Now. This go around at Sabine was by far of

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Speaker 2: the tough history. You couldn't have drawn up worse conditions

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Speaker 2: on paper. We had high waters and all three rivers

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Speaker 2: terrible fishing conditions. I mean, it's even like that on

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he definitely did. I mean it was it

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Speaker 1: I was very interested in watching how that tournament went

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Speaker 1: down because every fish that got caught, you started to wonder, Damn,

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Speaker 1: We get to fish in Alabama where we've got Lake

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Speaker 1: in our backyard. We see all different styles of fishing.

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Speaker 1: What style of fishing would you say best fits brock

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Speaker 2: Man, I would consider myself a junk fisherman. You know,

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Speaker 2: you guys say you're Coasta River guys. Well, I grew

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Speaker 2: you've ever fished them, you know it's tough. Like I mean,

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Speaker 2: I mean, square billing. There's so many different ways that

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Speaker 2: just so I consider myself a jump fisherman, and that's

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Speaker 1: You were talking about you were talking about Sabine and

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, and they've had so much rain

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Speaker 1: When you have a title fishery like you were dealing

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Speaker 2: You know, you know, it's kind of you know, how

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Speaker 2: So you know, I always liked tidle fishery. It's it's

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Speaker 2: you know. You know, we're kind of like old ladies

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've you've dropped a couple of hints that

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Speaker 2: Outfield? I'm actually got the SEC tournament on right now.

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Speaker 1: Oh you should just come down here. We'll get your

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Speaker 1: The SEC and anything. It's it's unreal to watch. Like

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Speaker 1: the Big Ten. But even the Big Ten, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: it just means more So, how did baseball a team sport,

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Speaker 2: Well, more or less, work ethic is what carry over.

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Speaker 2: You know. I grew up at a high school that

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Speaker 2: was just ungodly with talent. I mean it was one

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Speaker 1: All had some hammers, yes.

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Speaker 2: And I mean we had over three guys that could

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Speaker 2: if that makes sense. So I've always had good work

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Speaker 2: bad tournament, I don't want to look back back. Man,

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Speaker 2: I could have practiced more or done something different, you know,

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Speaker 2: worked harder, tried harder. I don't want to leave any

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Speaker 1: So do you feel like you're one of those guys

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Speaker 2: A man. It's just I don't know if I if

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Speaker 2: I misunderstood or not. But you know, it's a respect thing.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned making a cut. You obviously miss Sabine by

435
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:34,119
Speaker 1: one spot. That's a hard pill to swallow. Now with

436
00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 1: the fact that there's no entry fees in the payouts

437
00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:41,280
Speaker 1: or fifty five hundred for fiftieth place, does that change

438
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,320
Speaker 1: your mentality for how you're fishing every week?

439
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,919
Speaker 2: Oh, I was more pissed off about missing the points

440
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,280
Speaker 2: or missing out on getting more points on Day three

441
00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:51,800
Speaker 2: than I was missing the money.

442
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:57,199
Speaker 1: But I know that sounds bad, but well in retrospect,

443
00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 1: it really doesn't because how much does it cost for

444
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:00,960
Speaker 1: you to try ravel for one week?

445
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 2: Well, the last two weeks on the road in Texas,

446
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 2: we each week had a free place to stay, so

447
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,399
Speaker 2: pretty much only had fuel and food those two weeks,

448
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 2: which you know, isn't that bad, especially when they're that

449
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,160
Speaker 2: close together and they're not that far from my house,

450
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 2: so it wasn't a whole lot of expense on the

451
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 2: road those two weeks. And you know, getting getting a

452
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 2: check the first week at fort you know, I really

453
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 2: wouldn't like screaming and crying about missing the check. I

454
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 2: was more pissed off that man I could have got

455
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,880
Speaker 2: me like fifteen to twenty more points. You know, it's

456
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 2: kind of a race to the end as far as

457
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 2: the end of the season making that Classic qualification, and

458
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 2: you want to have a point you can get.

459
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 1: So that's where you're fighting for right now, is the Classic.

460
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's what you know, the goal to

461
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,160
Speaker 2: start every year. And you know I used to used

462
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 2: to want to go into that last event not having

463
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 2: to catch a fish to make the Classic, you know,

464
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 2: having that hundred point cushion, but it's gotten harder and

465
00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 2: harder to do over the last two years, so every

466
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:01,879
Speaker 2: point you can get with a little bit of cushing.

467
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:12,360
Speaker 1: Last, I do want to bring a couple of things

468
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,359
Speaker 1: up that have happened this season, just to gain some perspective.

469
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,360
Speaker 1: We had a dustin conn Allen on not too long ago,

470
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 1: and we were talking about Ford facing sonar, and I'm

471
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 1: like you, I think it's beaten like a dead horse.

472
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,879
Speaker 1: It's just gotten to the point where everybody has their opinion.

473
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 1: You're not going to change it. But the conversation that

474
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 1: we had was kind of interesting. We were talking about

475
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 1: the pressure that ford facing sonar may actually be doing

476
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 1: to some of these offshore fish. Do you think that'll

477
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 1: give a resurgence of shallow water, even mid shallow water.

478
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 2: Well, you know, we kind of said the exact same

479
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 2: thing when it came to structure scan and it never

480
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 2: really panned out to where fish went back to the bank.

481
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 2: But I do believe now we're catching fish that maybe

482
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 2: aren't necessarily meant to be caught to kind of protect

483
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,159
Speaker 2: our fisheries, you know, especially up north, you know, like

484
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 2: Lake Champlain where it's catching fish over ninety foot of water.

485
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 2: You know, they're just I don't think those fishes necessarily

486
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 2: meant to be caught, but I hope it don't have

487
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,160
Speaker 2: a negative effect on our fishies in the long run.

488
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 2: But you know, it's just a tool. I mean, you

489
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,400
Speaker 2: got to keep up with technology, and it's just where

490
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 2: we're at in today's game.

491
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: Even keeping up with technology. Where do you see this

492
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: technology going?

493
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, man, there's so much, so much just

494
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 2: you know, people on one side of the fence, people

495
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 2: on another. It's like it's like you're talking about somebody's

496
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 2: baby if you say something bad about it, but if

497
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 2: you I mean, it's just it's our world. Our industry

498
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 2: is so torn right now. I've never seen it like this,

499
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 2: and I wish it would could be resolved peacefully or

500
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 2: like you know, where everybody gets get along. And I

501
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know.

502
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: It seems like a lot of conversations are going that

503
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: way though. I mean, you had MLF change their rules

504
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: last year. They're probably going to change their rules going

505
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: into the next year. In fact, I think that they'll

506
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 1: actually go all the way down through the BFLS and

507
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 1: they'll make some heavy changes with how Ford facing sonar

508
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: is used. I don't think the idea to get rid

509
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: of Ford facing sonar is the best idea because every

510
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 1: guy that says they want that, I say, you have

511
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: the MPFL, you can go fish the MPFL. I think

512
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: it's great that the MPFL brought that to the table

513
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 1: because it gives guys an outlet to do that.

514
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they were looking for a niche, right man.

515
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 1: It can't be like everybody else.

516
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 2: You know, that's their marketing tools. So you know, it's

517
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 2: one of them deals where no, I don't think it

518
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 2: should be completely done away with. I mean, it's just

519
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 2: but we're saying that at lake Ford that lake Ford

520
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 2: was pretty much won the exact same way it was

521
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 2: last year, months later in the year, and I think

522
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 2: you go to lake Fork twelve months out of a

523
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 2: year for a tournament, that's the way it could. It

524
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 2: would be one. I mean, it's just one of them deals.

525
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 2: But you know there's a place mark in our sport

526
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: for sure. And you know, all in all, if you

527
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 2: like a crappie fish like a crappie does not stand

528
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 2: a chance.

529
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: That's very true. I don't think I've seen as many

530
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 1: pictures on social media full pales as I have, and

531
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: not even pales. I shouldn't even say it coolers. I

532
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: mean we're talking about and I do think about ford

533
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 1: facing sonar with the impact on the fisheries when it

534
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 1: comes to species specific like crappie, because everyone knows those

535
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: panfish are getting pulled out to go get eaten, and

536
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: in most cases there's some guys that probably waste a few.

537
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: But even with catch and release in bass, there isn't

538
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 1: a study that's out there that's saying the populations are hurting.

539
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: In fact, they would even argue we need to start

540
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: taking more out like those one and a half pounders

541
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: to try to give those bigger brief there's an opportunity

542
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 1: to have more food to breed more.

543
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely absolutely, And you know who knows, Like I said,

544
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 2: it's still believe even though it's been around five or

545
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 2: six years, it's still kind of fresh as far as

546
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 2: what we know about it and the impact. But you know,

547
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 2: you can't turn your back to technology. I mean every

548
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: sport has had to do it, whether it's golf or baseball.

549
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 2: It's just how can we adapt with it?

550
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: Bro, do you think we're at the like the top

551
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 1: of what forward facing sonar is.

552
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 2: Like the peak. I've been working with Garman for ten

553
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:39,719
Speaker 2: years now, and all I know about Garment is by

554
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 2: the time their competitors catch up to one of their tools,

555
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 2: they've already got something better coming out or in the work.

556
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: What was that video that everybody saw last year? It

557
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: was like the new LVS. I think they said it

558
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: was a thirty thirty six or thirty eight, and it

559
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: was like legit fish swimming around. It was close enough

560
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: to where it wasn't so ridiculous that that thing could

561
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: potentially come out. Do we all believe that there will

562
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 1: be a ford facing sonar where you will be able

563
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: to identify that's a bass, not by movement, but just

564
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: by sure visual you'll be able to see a fish

565
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: swimming underneath.

566
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 2: Oh that's I mean the guys that are great with

567
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: it that they're already to that point. But oh absolutely,

568
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 2: Like that's the thing about Garman. I've been to their

569
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 2: headquarters and it's it don't matter if it's in the

570
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 2: marine or the aviation. They got people in their office

571
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 2: and they're one job is coming up with shit.

572
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: It's a good job to have.

573
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I mean they're just they're iQue people

574
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 2: that are just creating stuff. You know, that's their job.

575
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 2: And by the time you know, like I said, the

576
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 2: competitors catch up with Garman, they already got a better

577
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 2: version of it coming out.

578
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: Here's what I think forward facing Sonar has legit killed.

579
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: And I'm sure sure people can argue this Frankensteining baits.

580
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: You don't hear as many guys show up to the

581
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: ramp and say, man, I took this one bait and

582
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: I kind of merged it with this other and I

583
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: went out there and I caught twenty fish. But Frankensteining baits.

584
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: That's how. That's how a lot of dudes that are

585
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: on the elites one tournament's back in the day, Like,

586
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 1: you don't tell anybody about this?

587
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely absolutely. Now you don't hear about that because

588
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 2: you know, we're not as shallow dominant anymore as we

589
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: used to be. Uh that's what it's changed.

590
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: But what was the Frankenstein bait that brock Mosley used

591
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 1: to make.

592
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 2: I don't know. I can tell you about one in

593
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:45,239
Speaker 2: the classic o conraeuh not Conra Ray Roberts a few

594
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 2: years back when we was there in the summertime. Yeah,

595
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: I got so sick and tired of fish slapping my

596
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 2: swim jig as a swim by the bushes that I've

597
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 2: actually put a trailer hook on my swim jig wonderful,

598
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 2: And I said, you know what, screw it, I'm tired

599
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: of them slapping my bait. I mean, I sat down

600
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 2: and I put a trailer hook on and I started

601
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:07,479
Speaker 2: landing them.

602
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: See I like that though. To me, that's where the

603
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: real sport of bass fishing comes out, is when you

604
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: have somebody who can just make that one subtle adjustment

605
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: and it changes the way. And it's not like something

606
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: you're gonna do on a regular basis because you're probably

607
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: worried about that trailer hook getting hung up in something else.

608
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: But it worked, right, Yeah, it worked that day. I

609
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 2: mean I ended up having the biggest bag of the

610
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 2: tournament that day, or biggest bag that day in the

611
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,719
Speaker 2: Classic on day three. But yeah, I mean I got

612
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: so fed up with them that I was like, you know, what,

613
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 2: what have I got to lose? I'm fistling trot and

614
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 2: I've never done it before, and I'm fitting to trot, all.

615
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: Right, So how many times have you gone back? To

616
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: it since none you have like the greatest day on

617
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: the lake and then you're like, you know what, I'm

618
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: just gonna that's a one and done deal.

619
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually was gonna do it day one and

620
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 2: Lake Fork last week or two weeks go, because they

621
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 2: kept kind of the same thing that that front come

622
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 2: through and it kind of messed them up a little bit.

623
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 2: But they were rolling on my swim jag and I

624
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 2: actually got down and looked and I didn't have any

625
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: trailer rooks in the.

626
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: Funny what's the chance, what's the chance that we actually

627
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: see Brock do that at some point this year? It

628
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: would be like a nod to lines and times it's like,

629
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: I'm doing this just for you guys.

630
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: Maybe, I mean, we're going to lacrosse and it's you know,

631
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: it's a shallow water deal.

632
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,719
Speaker 1: I love the fact that guys used to create baits

633
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: because it really shows just how revolutionary and evolutionary the

634
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: sport has become. I think a lot of people talk about,

635
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: you know, this sport's been around for a long time.

636
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: It hasn't now. You look at major League Baseball that

637
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: came out in the late eighteen hundreds and they're still

638
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: trying to change stuff that they're doing over there. You

639
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: look at fishing Man, the guys who are the legends

640
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: of the game and the ones who created this thing,

641
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: they're all still alive. I mean, there's a good amount

642
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,719
Speaker 1: of them. Bill Dance, Rick Klon, the these guys who

643
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: everybody considers like the gods of fishing, they're still here.

644
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: We can't say that about Babe Ruth and all that

645
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Where do you think fishing ends up?

646
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 2: You know, I hope it continues to grow, and I

647
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 2: believe it will. The way you know, high school and

648
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 2: college fishing has come about. It's just I think we

649
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 2: all need to come back together. It seems right now

650
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 2: we're so divided as an industry, and it's I mean

651
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: it's like last year, for instance, everybody acted like we

652
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,959
Speaker 2: hated all the rookies. I mean, I mean, I got

653
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: a rookies traveling with us. This year, Bo Browning is

654
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: staying with us. Mean, we don't hate the rookies. But

655
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: they had that in their head and they kind of

656
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,479
Speaker 2: thought that, and I mean they just it was never

657
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 2: one of them deals where they try to come out

658
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 2: and say, hey, you know what, they don't hate us.

659
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: But uh, it's just there's such a divide in our

660
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: sport and it's heartbreaking. I mean, you dude, I've been

661
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 2: in it fifteen years now and it's all I ever

662
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: wanted to do, and it's kind of taking a lot

663
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 2: of the enjoyment of the sport out just from the divide.

664
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: There were some dumb ass moves that some people made though,

665
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: I mean as rookies.

666
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean they didn't help some of

667
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: them didn't help their hands.

668
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: That's my point.

669
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: You know.

670
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: Part of me is like people may not hate you,

671
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: that might be your perception that you know everybody's out

672
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: to get you, but you also can't do dumb shit

673
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: and think that you're just going to get away with it,

674
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: especially when you're in a sport where you guys are

675
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: asked to turn yourself in or if you bear witness

676
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: to something, you're held to a higher standard to do that. Yeah,

677
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: and then social media is just fueling the fire too.

678
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, sadly, a lot of people, a lot

679
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: of fans, they think they know they think they know

680
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: the anglers, and they i mean they're like, oh, well

681
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 2: he's a good guy. Well, I mean, he may be

682
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,719
Speaker 2: a good guy when the camera's on that cut off,

683
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: he's just a butthole. Uh.

684
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: But that's not even rookies. There's guys that are veterans

685
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: that people have that opinion about, right.

686
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I had to learn real quick some of

687
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 2: the guys I, you know, admired growing up. I learned

688
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: real quick, Hey, they're not the same person. What was

689
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 2: your welcome?

690
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: What was your welcome to professional fishing? Then when the

691
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: minute you realized hole, all right, I'm in a different

692
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: level here.

693
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: Ah well, I can tell you from an angler standpoint.

694
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 2: I was at my rookie year. We were at Lake Darnell,

695
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: and I started on the shafts boone and the shadows

696
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 2: spawning hard on this grass edge stick when it maybe

697
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: one hundred yards look just like the Coosa River, and

698
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, I just shut down, and I picked up

699
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 2: my troublet and I picked up my rod, making two

700
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 2: or three casts, and all of a sudden, one of

701
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 2: these proves that I've admired for all these years comes

702
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: and starts fifty yards in front of me and starts

703
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 2: going the other way. And that's when I was like, huh.

704
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: This is a little more cutthroat than I expected.

705
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, because I've always been, like anything, in anything,

706
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: I treat people the way I want to be treated.

707
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 2: And like I was like, whoa, maybe you can be

708
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 2: a little bit too bit of a nice guy in

709
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: the sport.

710
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: I actually feel like some of that's missing in professional

711
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: fishing to get people interested week to week. Yeah, I

712
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: feel like there when we were watching fishing in the

713
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 1: mid two thousands to the early you know, twenty tens,

714
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: and you would see drama like that on the water,

715
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: guys yelling at each other and you know, threatened to

716
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: come back to the boat ramp and handle a like

717
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 1: man and all that kind of stuff. I do feel

718
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: like that actually helps a little bit at least get

719
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: eyes out on the product. But I hate that for

720
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: what it does to the two people who were involved.

721
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I actually said that on Mercer's

722
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 2: podcast this year. I was like, maybe we need to

723
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 2: dig back down to Denny Brower days when hey, we

724
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: settled it at the boat ramp because I said it, well,

725
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 2: if nobody's gonna police it, if we police ourselves, maybe

726
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 2: all this nonsense will kind of cut out. But uh,

727
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: like you said, it gives you a bad name. I

728
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 2: mean everybody. People will start being well, Rock, well he's

729
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 2: the bad guy.

730
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: You know, you're also a brick ship house, Like you're

731
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: a big dude. It's not like, you know, it's not

732
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: like you're saying to somebody who's really little, like we'll

733
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: just go settle this. Nobody wants to throw hands with

734
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 1: Brock Moseley.

735
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 2: Well, I'm nowhere near the biggest guy on tour. I

736
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 2: mean I try to stay buddies with the biggest guy

737
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 2: on tour just for that reason.

738
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: All right, I want to ask you about the history

739
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: of the of the sport a little bit, given what

740
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: you see right now with current anglers. Who is the

741
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: next Kevin Van Dam.

742
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 2: Jay Skirt? Why Jay Jay's just good at everything. He

743
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 2: can catch them with four faces on r he can

744
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 2: catch them without it. He may not have the wins yet,

745
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 2: but the du is dude is so cool, calmon collective,

746
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 2: He never says a word. He's one of them that

747
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: you don't have to worry about him messing with you

748
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 2: or like there there's probably seventy percent of the guys

749
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 2: out there that just go about their business and don't

750
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: mess with other people, Like don't cutting. You ain't got

751
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 2: to worry about and cutting you off if you're on

752
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 2: a school that you know he ain't gonna pull up

753
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: and fish with you. He's one of them guys. He's

754
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 2: just very cool, calmon collective. He hand them himself good

755
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 2: on the water, and the duke can just flat out fish.

756
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just what it boils down to. So

757
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 2: if I was to say somebody, I would say Jay,

758
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: and he's showing it to share. He's blowing away angler

759
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 2: a year right now.

760
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: Who is the veteran that you looked up to when

761
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: you were younger, you made it on tour. They may

762
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 1: still be on tour that you still have the utmost

763
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: respect for.

764
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 2: Well, I always look up to Swindle, you know. I

765
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,919
Speaker 2: travel with Hank Cherry. I mean, he's fifteen years older

766
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: than me.

767
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: He's gonna he's gonna hate hearing that. He's gonna feel

768
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: like he's you know, he's like, I'm not that old

769
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: man he is, and.

770
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: He eats like a twelve year old. I was like, dude,

771
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: if I ate as much as you, I would weigh

772
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty pounds and he's like, well, you

773
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 2: would only gain thirty pounds.

774
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: And I was like, damn I like how he throws barbs.

775
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: That's good, That's yeah. When you met Swindle for the

776
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: first time, how how nervous were you?

777
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: You know a lot? And you know, like I said,

778
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: you know, when I came on tour, I was competing

779
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: against Kevin Edwin Ike. I mean guys that I've been

780
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 2: watching for years, and you know, it's intimidating, you know,

781
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: I mean ever since as long as I can remember,

782
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: I've been watching these guys fish to classics. I've been

783
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: watching them Win England years, Skeet He's another one. I mean,

784
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: they just it was intimidating. I mean, I don't know

785
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 2: if the generation that's coming up now can say the

786
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: same thing, because I mean a lot of us they've

787
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: been watching. You know, I've been on tour for ten

788
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 2: years now, but a lot of the guys, if you

789
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 2: go look, hadn't been on tour but five or six

790
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 2: years now, right, And I mean I can remember watching

791
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: all them guys when I was just you know, eight

792
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 2: nine years old, and here I was in my twenties

793
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 2: and starting to fish against them, So it was intimidating.

794
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: I used to love when ESPN carried bass Master and

795
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: you would hear Zona and Tommy Sanders like literally break

796
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: stuff down. I saw a clip the other day and

797
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: they were talking about Kevin van Dam throwing a six

798
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: xd and one of them had some rattle in it

799
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: and the other one didn't. And Kevin would talk about

800
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: he'd bomb this six xd out there and he'd fire

801
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: up the school. He catch one or two, but then

802
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: the next three casts they wouldn't bite, so he'd let

803
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: it rest for about twenty five minutes. Then he'd go back,

804
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: he'd throw the silent and they just started whacking on it. Yeah,

805
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: and they were, you know, they had all the you know,

806
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: they were showing you stumps and these really ridiculous looking

807
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: fish sitting behind the stumps, like they broke it down.

808
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: Is that missing from professional fishing now?

809
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 2: I think so. I mean, like that same term that

810
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: you're referring to. He also figured out that he would

811
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 2: riel it down and when he felt when eve would

812
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,479
Speaker 2: feel that they make contact with the bottom, he would stop.

813
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: Really and it said, I remember his own doing an

814
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 2: interview with him, and he's saying, yeah, it took me

815
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 2: like three or four minutes to figure that out. If

816
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 2: I stop my bait when I made contact with the

817
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: bottom that I would get a bite. I mean that

818
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. I think we are kind of missing

819
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: that in today's world. Now they're seeing how the fish

820
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 2: react to it on you know, on their stream. Yeah,

821
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 2: so we're missing a little bit of it, that's for sure.

822
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 2: And you know the Sabine River, that's kind of a

823
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 2: blast from the past every year. I mean some people

824
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 2: don't like it, like it, yeah, I mean people getting

825
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 2: excited over a three pounder. I mean, come on, I

826
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: don't want.

827
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: To see nine tournaments like that. Like, I still believe

828
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: that the reason why people like professional fishing is they

829
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: want to see the biggest fish caught.

830
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:15,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

831
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: You know, MLF just went to my home lake in Virginia,

832
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: Smith Mountain Lake, and I am so proud every time

833
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: I watch that on TV because I'm like, man, I

834
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: know that body of water and it's beautiful, and they

835
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,439
Speaker 1: got ten pounders in there, and you want to see

836
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: an absolute stud get caught. It's the same reason that

837
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,439
Speaker 1: when we were growing up as kids in the middle

838
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: of nowhere, we'd go to that country store. You'd see

839
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: the one large mouth or the one striper that got

840
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: caught in the lake and it had that badge of

841
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: like state record, lake record, whatever it was, that thing.

842
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: Now you go back, it's just covered in dust and cobwebs,

843
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: but you still love it like it's it's the thing

844
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: that fuels you to want to go out and catch more.

845
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I think the Pascal Tank that

846
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: was our first time going there, but I think it

847
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 2: was like a mixture of sabine and four because we

848
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 2: send Kyle, we catch one over ten and we had

849
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 2: I had so many locals talk to me at the

850
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 2: expo of that tournament. They're talking about, man, it's not

851
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: uncommon at all to catch thirteen pounders in the tournaments here.

852
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,479
Speaker 1: They talk to you after the tournament, right.

853
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: At the tournament at the expo.

854
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: Listen, I don't want to Scott Martin Matt Hearn's situation yet.

855
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: If I don't make day fours, I have to stay

856
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 2: and work for Dakota Lithium at the expos right and

857
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 2: you know, people interactions what sells. But they're talking right man,

858
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 2: you guys like you guys hadn't scratched the surface on

859
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 2: this place yet. We catch thirteen pounders like it, like

860
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 2: there's one pretty regularly talked and I'm like, thirteen I've

861
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: never I've never personally caught a ten pounder. I caught

862
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: a nine to fifteen in an open one year ear.

863
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 1: That's such bullshit. By the way, I see more nine

864
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: to fifteens get read on scales, and I'm like, that

865
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: is be at there's something about those scales where they

866
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: don't want to give you that one out.

867
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 2: I agree with you.

868
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 1: I mean every time I see it and I'm like,

869
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: there's no way there's that many nine to fifteens that

870
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: are floating around in this world.

871
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: That's right. I mean they probably spit up a shed

872
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 2: in or live where to get one ounce.

873
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: Uh. You were talking about Pasquo Tank and how it

874
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: was a new body of water for so many guys.

875
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: The big thing that I want to know from you

876
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: on that is, what did you say to yourself when

877
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: you found out Welcher was beating him up like he

878
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: was beating them up.

879
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 2: Oh, it was no surprise, man, no surprise like it.

880
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 2: It was kind of we had kind of experienced the

881
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: same thing at fort last year. They were wanting to

882
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 2: move up, they were wanting to move up on the

883
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 2: bed and we had a cold front come through during

884
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 2: practice and and the fish he was catching off that

885
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: we're spawning, We're spawning a little deeper that the front

886
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 2: didn't really affect. So I wasn't surprise at all. And

887
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 2: and you know Welcher, he's he's one of the best

888
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 2: anglers there is right now. He's one of the hottest anglers.

889
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 2: And no surprise for him to figure it out.

890
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: It's a YouTube channel that he's got. Were you were

891
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: you disappointed in yourself though where you were like, man,

892
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: I was maybe in that area, or you scan that

893
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: area and you just didn't find the same ones, or I.

894
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 2: Was ticked off at myself for the decision I made

895
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 2: on day three. I spent the first two days in

896
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 2: the top ten, and on day three I was like,

897
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 2: I'm going for one time in my career, I'm going

898
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 2: to fish for big ones. And I caught one fish

899
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 2: that day the other places and you know, scrounging up

900
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 2: a thirteen fourteen pound limit staying and within the top fifteen.

901
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 2: I lost thirty points that day, and I was more

902
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 2: ticked off at myself on that ride home than any

903
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 2: time I ever have been.

904
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: I tell you, there's nothing worse than going to a

905
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: tournament and even catching five and thinking, man, I did

906
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: something today, I'm going to move up in the points,

907
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: and then you get that text message and they go

908
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: you drop twenty places in the points, and you go,

909
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: what the like? You try to go back in your

910
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: brain about what could I have done better? How did

911
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: I not figure this out?

912
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 2: Absolutely? I mean that is one positive about starting the

913
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 2: tournament outside to cut. Say, if you you know, I

914
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 2: started Sabine and Lake Fork, I think in like the

915
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: mid sixties, and both days like I gained even though

916
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 2: I didn't make the cut. At Sabine, I gained twenty

917
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 2: one points at second day of the tournament. I mean,

918
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: and that's a lot and same thing at Fork. You know,

919
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 2: every day I moved up and got more, got more points,

920
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 2: and at the end of the day, when you make

921
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: a career out of it, it's all about points. Yeah.

922
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: Brock Mosley joining us on lines and times today we

923
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: even get into the fact that he's a die hard hunter.

924
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: I mean we normally do talk a hunting every once

925
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: in a while. The biggest Bucky ever killed.

926
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 2: No, I still haven't broke the one fifty yet, but

927
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 2: I'm down to where I don't really have any desire

928
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: to kill one with a gun. Like, I'm all in

929
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 2: on bow hunting, okay, And actually to the next couple

930
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 2: of days, I'll be able to see if I got

931
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 2: drawn for a Kansas tag Again.

932
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: Where do you normally go in Kansas? Are you a

933
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: Salina guy or are you the eastern part of the state, eastern.

934
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 2: Part of state fall or ever? Uh, It's it's really

935
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 2: not that bad of a drive, but man, it's just

936
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 2: beautiful country out there. I'm a cattle guy. I have

937
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 2: cows here, so going out there and do you know

938
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 2: those towns that literally have just a little bit of

939
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 2: a convenience store and the town we actually hunt don't

940
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 2: even have a gas station. There's a gas pump, but

941
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 2: there's not a gas thanks.

942
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:22,439
Speaker 1: Cool.

943
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: It's just it's fun to go out there and get

944
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: away from everything for you know, a week or so

945
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 2: and just kind of kind of get back to reality

946
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 2: a little bit.

947
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 1: There's places in the West that you feel like it's

948
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: a step back in time.

949
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. My bucket list thing is I want to go

950
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 2: on with I don't I'm not like a big moose hunter,

951
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 2: but I would want to go on one of those

952
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: moose hunts where they fly in and leave you.

953
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: There for a week with who you want to go. Well,

954
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: I do have a connection for you. If you're if

955
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: you're interested in doing that, you just let me know.

956
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 1: Is it is a couple entry fees of Elite fees,

957
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: just so you know. But you're getting to save some

958
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: of that money right now, which is good. Brock Mosley

959
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: continued success for the rest of the Elite series. We

960
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 1: appreciate you being online and times.

961
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I appreciate you. Guys have