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Speaker 1: It's time to break down the xs and os on

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Speaker 1: Giants Rewind but with Carl Banks, a New York Giants podcast.

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Speaker 1: Hi everybody, and welcome to the most recent edition of

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Speaker 1: Giants Rewind with Carl Banks. Carl Banks with me. I

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Speaker 1: am John Schmilk. Thank you for being with us. The

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Speaker 1: Giants fall and disappointing fashion crawl to the Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: to eighteen and I think really the disappointing part of

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Speaker 1: this is the score not indicative of how close the

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Speaker 1: game was. The Giants were up by nine with just

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Speaker 1: two minutes to go in the first half, they were

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Speaker 1: only trailing by one heading into the fourth quarter, and

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Speaker 1: then the Cowboys outscore the Giants and the fourth Well,

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Speaker 1: it's the difference between knowing how to win football games

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Speaker 1: and expecting to do well versus hoping you can finish

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Speaker 1: out the game and hoping nothing bad happens. You've got

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Speaker 1: to be able to execute your way to victory. And

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Speaker 1: the one thing that this Giants team collectively didn't do

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Speaker 1: was execute when they needed to. And there were lapses

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Speaker 1: at times that allowed the Dallas Cowboys to get off

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Speaker 1: the hook, you know, on their first score to the

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Speaker 1: tight end just play coverage. If if Dak Prescott wants

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Speaker 1: to run the football, let him. He's not that fast anymore.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't seem like he's out running anyone, So why

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Speaker 1: come up out of coverage and give him an easy throw?

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Speaker 1: And that turned into a calamity of of poor tackling

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Speaker 1: at the end of the of that play. So you know,

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Speaker 1: you got him where you want him, You're playing well

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Speaker 1: on third downs, and you let him off the hook

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Speaker 1: to the tune of a touchdown. So you know, getting close,

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Speaker 1: getting close. As the story of this this uh this season,

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Speaker 1: they've got to figure out how to do the right

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Speaker 1: things from an execution standpoint to walk away with victory. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, you mentioned it giving up the wrong plays

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Speaker 1: at the wrong time, and if you look at the

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Speaker 1: overall numbers, they actually only allowed three plays of twenty

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Speaker 1: more yards. That's pretty good given what this team has done.

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Speaker 1: But you mentioned the Jarwin catch. Then you have the backbreaker,

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Speaker 1: which is the Amori Cooper deep incut late in the

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Speaker 1: game when it was another situation guys weren't executing the

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Speaker 1: assignments they were given. Yeah, and you know the thing is,

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Speaker 1: it's it's all fixable, John, But you know. How long

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Speaker 1: will you continue to say, you know, we were just

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Speaker 1: You just can't. It's it's a it's a it's a

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Speaker 1: story that has to end if you will, because if

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Speaker 1: you know what those plays are, then you've got to

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Speaker 1: make an effort. And they're different each week, and it's

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Speaker 1: a different person each week. But how is it that

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Speaker 1: you can walk in and you know exactly where your

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Speaker 1: your mistakes are and you also know coming into the

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Speaker 1: game your margin for era is not that great. You

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Speaker 1: don't have a lenient one. So you've got to make

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Speaker 1: a concerted effort to say, it's not gonna be me

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Speaker 1: this week. I gotta do everything as close to perfect

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Speaker 1: as possible. I gotta understand what's asked to me. I

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Speaker 1: gotta understand how I can help my quarterback out. All

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Speaker 1: of these types of things are um issues or points

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Speaker 1: of points of fact that they have to take as

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Speaker 1: a mindset. Let's talk about some of the specific issues

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Speaker 1: from this game. Giants couldn't run the ball call take

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Speaker 1: on Barkley average two yards per carry. His longest run

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Speaker 1: but on four o their catches, they gained two yards.

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Speaker 1: The Cowboys roll over him. The offensive line did not

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Speaker 1: produce a lot of room. What were some of the

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Speaker 1: fundamental issues you saw throughout the game and the Giants

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Speaker 1: running attack. Well, I don't want to sit here and

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Speaker 1: say it was exclusively the offensive line. Um. You give

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys defensive front some credit to Um. They

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Speaker 1: give you a lot of movement up front. They're very,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna give you some problems. But the running back

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Speaker 1: On the defensive side, you gotta you gotta stick your

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Speaker 1: give your offensive lineman a chance, you know. Um. And

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Speaker 1: lot of those run plays too. He was just so disruptive. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: The addition, he was disruptive of the in the ring game.

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Speaker 1: And I think in links Carl to an issue that really,

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Speaker 1: biggest one in this game. That cost the Giants to

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Speaker 1: that is the inability to run the ball, because you

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Speaker 1: know how hard it is against a good defense to

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Speaker 1: three tries. Um, that's something else they've got to figure out.

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Speaker 1: They can't be denied from the one. I mean lack

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Speaker 1: goal to go situations where they ended up with field goals. So, um,

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Speaker 1: if if you want to pick out an area besides

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Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, Carl where this game was lost, you

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Speaker 1: go to the first half until Daniel Jones thowes that interception.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the half, the Giants were plus

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Speaker 1: two in turnover ratio in the first half. Uh. They

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Speaker 1: about on the radio broadcast. Uh. They get that first

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Speaker 1: were looking at a deficit. I mean just that simple.

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Speaker 1: it gave them so much momentum coming back, and the

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Speaker 1: that everything they could to give the Giants an opportunity

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Speaker 1: the game got chippy, it was Dallas getting those penalties.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't the Giants getting those penalties, But the Giants just

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Speaker 1: a little bit, and by then it was too late.

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Speaker 1: And the thing is, John, when you are that team,

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Speaker 1: meaning the Giants, where your effort is winning effort, there's

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Speaker 1: no one that's gonna ever uh discount how hard this

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Speaker 1: But okay, they went against a tough defense, they still

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Speaker 1: mean when people were like, well, they lack creativity or

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Speaker 1: they play hard. They're creative enough to try to get

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Speaker 1: have they could have increased their margins. That's when you

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Speaker 1: one that keeps you the game against the tough defense,

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Speaker 1: but one that lets you bury them. And Carl, I

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Speaker 1: don't understand when the Giants got the ball back at

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Speaker 1: outs are mating. If I'm not mistaken, the Giants get

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Speaker 1: their time outs. The way this Giants defense has played

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Speaker 1: like this, those miss kicks come back to haunt you,

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Speaker 1: a horrible situation too, because he's chasing points and at

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Speaker 1: whatever time he decided to chase that extra point, he's

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