Speaker 1: Hey guys, So the much anticipated Kamala Harris plus Timwall's
Speaker 1: interview on CNN happened last night, So we thought we'd
Speaker 1: do a whole like streamer style breakdown and react to
Speaker 1: the entire interview. Ryan, of course here with me Hi Ryan,
Speaker 1: good morning, how you doing.
Speaker 2: You can tell that they waited way too long to
Speaker 2: do an interview by the fact that, like The New
Speaker 2: York Times last night had a live blog about we
Speaker 2: are reacting to it. Yeah, in real time. Trump did
Speaker 2: like three interviews like during her interview and like whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they were with like who were they with? Random? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's into this the podcast world. I know he's doing
Speaker 1: an interview with Lex Friedman. That'll be kind of interesting.
Speaker 2: And there was one that he did with this Florida
Speaker 2: reporter who asked him, how are you going to vote
Speaker 2: on the constitutional amendment on abortion?
Speaker 1: That's right, yeaheah, the abortion stuff, I guess for abortion rights.
Speaker 1: I mean that that ballot initiative, the pro choice side
Speaker 1: is now going to get like ninety percent of the
Speaker 1: book because it was already about sixty percent, and what
Speaker 1: it has to get sixty percent to pass, right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I think now with a Trump backing it. Man,
Speaker 1: he threw those pro lifers right under the bus, didn't he.
Speaker 1: And he's saying he's going to do IVF for all
Speaker 1: as well. So I guess maybe the path ryan to
Speaker 1: medicare for all is will just go body part by
Speaker 1: body part, procedure by procedure and peacemeal it until we've
Speaker 1: got entire coverage for you know, for the entire body.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I'm sure we'll get covering all of that
Speaker 1: next week. I actually want to set up I've been
Speaker 1: trying for breaking points to set up a abortion debate.
Speaker 1: Is Sager and I had this debate, but we're both
Speaker 1: pro choice, So it'd be nice to have two people
Speaker 1: who are actually pro life debating, you know, the Trump
Speaker 1: campaign strategy and whether it's worth sacrificing the Yeah, like
Speaker 1: Lila Rose isn't her name, who's been going very forcefully
Speaker 1: on the pro life side, like this is outrageous. We
Speaker 1: need to hold him to account it As lefties, I
Speaker 1: feel a lot of compassion for their position because I
Speaker 1: feel like we're in the same spot with regard to
Speaker 1: issues like Gaza and Palestine in there. Yeah, in any case,
Speaker 1: so we'll get to the interview now, but before we do, Ryan,
Speaker 1: you guys have a new story that you just broke
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Speaker 1: over there because you're doing phenomenal work. So what do
Speaker 1: you got?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So last night we published this piece about Ecuador.
Speaker 2: This time from two thousand and seven to twenty seventeen,
Speaker 2: Ecuador had a social democratic government.
Speaker 3: They were called the Quarta.
Speaker 2: Yastas run by Rafael Korea. In twenty seventeen. It's very
Speaker 2: complicated but at a US right wing turn.
Speaker 3: It was a bit of a coup, bizarre situation.
Speaker 2: But what we have and the next four or five
Speaker 2: years were spent prosecuting Korea and his allies, and what
Speaker 2: we have uncovered through a series of text messages that
Speaker 2: the prosecutor general, like the Attorney General Diana Salazar, sent
Speaker 2: to a judge and also to a member of Parliament
Speaker 2: that we've obtained and reviewed, show that she was very
Speaker 2: specifically targeting her prosecutions at the left and delaying prosecutions
Speaker 2: of the right in order to hurt the left in
Speaker 2: election campaigns with in coordination and in constant contact with
Speaker 2: the US ambassador Wow in Ecuador. So a lot of
Speaker 2: the times the US is not carrying out the kind
Speaker 2: of old military coups that we're used to seeing from
Speaker 2: the nineteen seventies and eighties, though we still, you know,
Speaker 2: once in a while might dip back into that playbook.
Speaker 2: But in general, it's more what they call law fair
Speaker 2: and using the public's hostility towards all politicians. The public
Speaker 2: is fed up with corruption, so then you have social
Speaker 2: democratic reformers coming in and the way to combat them
Speaker 2: is that it's just dropped charges of corruption on them,
Speaker 2: and then the public's like, ah, they're all the same.
Speaker 1: Says like what was done Lula in Brazil, for example.
Speaker 2: Can't trust anybody exactly and then and then a strong
Speaker 2: man comes in instead. It's exactly what they did with Lula,
Speaker 2: threw him in jail for corruption until those were exposed
Speaker 2: by Intercept Brazil Glenn Greenwald for being politically motivated, and
Speaker 2: we partnered with Intercept Brazil on these.
Speaker 3: On this story as well.
Speaker 2: So fantastic new elections coming up at the beginning of
Speaker 2: next year in Ecuador. So and already the story's you know,
Speaker 2: picking up a lot of steam there, so we'll see.
Speaker 1: So this is the sort of thing that was likely suspected,
Speaker 1: both the targeting of the left but also the US involvement.
Speaker 1: But you were able to actually get the goods.
Speaker 3: Right exactly so people could check it out.
Speaker 2: Like the last point on this, she was setting the
Speaker 2: messages using an app called Confide, which is popular in
Speaker 2: Latin America, which as soon as you read the message,
Speaker 2: it disappears.
Speaker 3: But what I was doing a deal.
Speaker 2: He was filming as he would read her messages with
Speaker 2: a second phone, and so we were able to he
Speaker 2: got a forensic analysis.
Speaker 3: To prove that, like these are theologies is authentic.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: So we have like fifteen hundred videos of messages that
Speaker 2: we had to look through and then translate.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's unbelievable.
Speaker 3: You can see the result over it drops on views
Speaker 3: dot com.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to checking that out. I'm also looking
Speaker 1: forward to checking out your next exchange with Matthew Miller
Speaker 1: or whoever. The State Department.
Speaker 3: They haven't had a briefing in many weeks.
Speaker 1: But have they really not?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think probably not even allowed, you.
Speaker 1: Know, I mean that anyway.
Speaker 3: They need it. They need a vacation from their hypocrisy,
Speaker 3: just like they.
Speaker 1: Can't take it either. Okay, all right, let's go ahead
Speaker 1: and get to comrade Kamala here, Coconut Kamala and her
Speaker 1: very first inn This is it is kind of a
Speaker 1: stunt first interview post Biden dropout, which happened back on
Speaker 1: what July twenty first, So we're like, you know, a
Speaker 1: month and a week post Biden drop out, and we're
Speaker 1: finally getting her first interview of very strategically time before
Speaker 1: the Labor Day weekend. I might add, let me go
Speaker 1: ahead and pull this up and we can just start
Speaker 1: playing it and react.
Speaker 4: Here we go Part one. All right, here it is
Speaker 4: President Governor. Well, thank you so much for sitting down
Speaker 4: with me and bringing the bus. Bus Star is well
Speaker 4: underway here in Georgia. You have less time to make
Speaker 4: your case to voters than any candidate in modern American history.
Speaker 4: The voters are really eager to hear what your plans
Speaker 4: are if you are elected. What would you do on
Speaker 4: day one in the White House.
Speaker 5: Well, there are a number of things I will tell you.
Speaker 6: First and foremost, one of my highest priorities is to
Speaker 6: do what we can to support and strengthen the middle class.
Speaker 6: When I look at the aspirations, the goals, the ambitions
Speaker 6: of the American people. I think that people are ready
Speaker 6: for a new way forward in a way that generations
Speaker 6: of Americans have been fueled by hope and by optimism.
Speaker 6: I think, sadly, in the last decade we have had
Speaker 6: in the former president someone who has really been pushing
Speaker 6: an agenda and an environment that is about diminishing the
Speaker 6: character and the strength of who we are as Americans,
Speaker 6: really dividing our nation. And I think people are ready
Speaker 6: to turn the page on that.
Speaker 7: So what would you do? Day one?
Speaker 1: So out of the gate, it's a very I mean,
Speaker 1: the most obvious question was your day one agenda? Very
Speaker 1: vague initial answer here, Ryan, how do you.
Speaker 2: Get blindsided by the question what do you plan to
Speaker 2: do as president?
Speaker 1: It reminds me someone who I mean, I'm sure she's
Speaker 1: wanted to be president for quite a lot of years now,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: It reminded me a lot of Ted.
Speaker 2: You remember Ted Kennedy's and I'm just going to pull
Speaker 2: it up, but we people can just google it. Ted
Speaker 2: Kennedy's nineteen eighty answer to a similar question like why
Speaker 2: do you want to run for president?
Speaker 1: No, I do not remember that, Ryan, but I'm sure
Speaker 1: you do.
Speaker 2: Ted Kennedy himself had been he contemplated running for president
Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty eight, So this is twelve years you
Speaker 2: know after he started at least very publicly thinking he
Speaker 2: was probably thinking about running for president when he was
Speaker 2: five years old.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, you're a Kennedy, You're raised nineteen eighty.
Speaker 2: He's asked this question and he flobbed it way worse
Speaker 2: than Harris. Yeah, but he's like, the country has a
Speaker 2: lot of natural resources, and it's it's like just people
Speaker 2: can just people can YouTube like the interview that blindsided
Speaker 2: the Ted to Kennedy presidential campaign, and they can watch
Speaker 2: it for themselves. At least she had an answer. But
Speaker 2: I'm going to like support the middle class. It feels
Speaker 2: like such a layup. You could say, all right, the
Speaker 2: first thing I do when I get in there, I'm
Speaker 2: going to send a bill to Congress.
Speaker 3: That codifies Roebi Wade.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: After that, I'm going to send a bill that cuts
Speaker 2: taxes for the middle class, that expands the child tax
Speaker 2: credit whatever.
Speaker 3: Right, like things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, specific things that indicate because when we've interviewed
Speaker 1: presidential candidates, this is literally always our first question, because
Speaker 1: it seems to me the you know, this is the
Speaker 1: starting point, and it gets at not just what are
Speaker 1: the laundry list of things that you plan? What is
Speaker 1: your priority? Because we all know that you're not going
Speaker 1: to be able to do all of the things that
Speaker 1: you want to do, so what is the like flagship
Speaker 1: priority day one? And we get you know, health, the
Speaker 1: middle class and by the way, Trump is bad. Now
Speaker 1: she goes on, let me pull this back up. Dana
Speaker 1: actually presses her like okay, but like what does that
Speaker 1: actually mean? And then she goes into some of the
Speaker 1: specifics that she laid out in a recent economic policy speech.
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and listen to that. But you can
Speaker 1: kind of tell she's just like, yes, for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: was not had not really thought of what her day
Speaker 1: one priority would actually be. So now she's just reaching
Speaker 1: into the bag of policies she recently talked about Day one.
Speaker 6: It's going to be about one implementing my plan for
Speaker 6: what I call an opportunity economy. I've already laid out
Speaker 6: a number of proposals in that regard, which include what
Speaker 6: we're going to do to bring down on the cost
Speaker 6: of everyday goods, what we're going to do to invest
Speaker 6: in America's small businesses, what we're going to do to
Speaker 6: invest in families, for example, extending the Chile tax credit
Speaker 6: to six thousand dollars for families for the first year
Speaker 6: of their child's life, to help them buy a car seat,
Speaker 6: to help them buy baby clothes, a crib. There's the
Speaker 6: work that we're going to do that is about investing
Speaker 6: in the American family around affordable housing, a big issue
Speaker 6: in our country right now.
Speaker 5: So there are a number of things on day one.
Speaker 1: So I guess, Brian, the positive if we're looking for
Speaker 1: a silver lining, here is something you pointed out, which
Speaker 1: is that you know, being an empty vessel is the
Speaker 1: negative thing in terms of if you want someone who
Speaker 1: has like these core commitments, or like you're Bernie Sanders,
Speaker 1: you're going to fight for Medicare for all, we all
Speaker 1: know you're going to do it, or even you know
Speaker 1: Barack Obama, we knew healthcare was going to be a
Speaker 1: major focus for him as well. The plus side is
Speaker 1: that this allows you an opportunity as a public to
Speaker 1: pressure her into what you want to see happen. On
Speaker 1: day one, and you made a point that I thought
Speaker 1: was interesting that there's almost like, in some ways a
Speaker 1: healthier relationship to Kamala Harris because there isn't this cult
Speaker 1: of personality. It's just like, all right, this she'll do,
Speaker 1: and we've got an agenda that we're interested in, and
Speaker 1: maybe she'll be willing, especially with the addition of Tim
Speaker 1: Walls here, to get some pieces of it through.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: There is nobody on the Democratic side who thinks that
Speaker 2: they can just sit back and let Kamala Harris lead
Speaker 2: them to the promised land like zero people, Whereas that
Speaker 2: was an overwhelming feeling among Democrats when it came to
Speaker 2: Barack Obama, oh yeah, and then they were all let
Speaker 2: down as a result of that. Kamala Harrison is not
Speaker 2: going to let anybody down. So it requires exactly the
Speaker 2: public to be involved and push her and say, okay,
Speaker 2: you know what, you don't really have any ideas for
Speaker 2: what you're going to do on day one, but we do,
Speaker 2: and here's how we're going to organize and pressure you
Speaker 2: to do those things.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 1: It's also why the choice of Tim Walls ends up
Speaker 1: being really important, because she can just okay, just do
Speaker 1: his agenda, you know, like he had a plan and
Speaker 1: he did a thing and didn't just talk about it
Speaker 1: but actually was like, no, I'm going to figure out
Speaker 1: how to get these things through, so just just do that.
Speaker 1: And that's part of why he felt so consequential, I
Speaker 1: think to a lot of us when he was chosen,
Speaker 1: because he didn't just come with you know, as a
Speaker 1: as a person and he's a talented politician and a
Speaker 1: great background in class diversity and a union member and
Speaker 1: all of those things. But he has a plan, had
Speaker 1: an agenda and got it through. So she can just
Speaker 1: sort of grab that, or she could grab the which
Speaker 1: there's a lot of overlap here, the pieces of build
Speaker 1: back better that you know that Bernie was pushing that
Speaker 1: never got pushed through. So that's the that's the hope
Speaker 1: and the aspiration is that that's the thing that's sort
Speaker 1: of floating out there in the ether that Kamala Harris,
Speaker 1: who clearly doesn't really have any thoughts of plans of
Speaker 1: her own, that she can just pick up on there.
Speaker 8: But you well, I'm excited about this agenda too, as
Speaker 8: I said, the idea of inspiring America to what can be.
Speaker 8: And I think many of these things that the Vice
Speaker 8: president's proposing are are things that we share in values
Speaker 8: in the child texturet is when we know that reduces
Speaker 8: childhood property by a third. We did it in Minnesota.
Speaker 8: To have a federal partner in this unbelievable, I think,
Speaker 8: in the impact that we can make.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's them Walls, you know, coming in to say, hey,
Speaker 1: we did this.
Speaker 3: By the way, here's it. He's like, here's an actual.
Speaker 1: Policy, right right, right. There was a lot made by
Speaker 1: the right of Tim Walls being part of this interview,
Speaker 1: which you know, I mean, on the one hand, I
Speaker 1: understand because she hasn't done a solo interview. On the
Speaker 1: other hand, of course, it is you know, traditional, I
Speaker 1: guess after the conventions to do a joint interview. The
Speaker 1: other thing that there's some irony to it to me,
Speaker 1: because some segments of the right have thoroughly convinced themselves
Speaker 1: that Tim Walls was a horrific best vice presidential pick.
Speaker 1: There was all kinds of like, oh, he's going to
Speaker 1: have to drop out any day now. Meanwhile, he has
Speaker 1: the most the highest favorability rating of anyone you know,
Speaker 1: of the four presidential and vice presidential candidates by far,
Speaker 1: and so they kind of flipped on a dime from
Speaker 1: He's such a catastrophe he's going to have to drop
Speaker 1: out to He's such a tremendous asset that she can't
Speaker 1: even do an interview without having him by her side.
Speaker 3: Right, it can't be both things.
Speaker 2: But I think, yeah, she made this is a a
Speaker 2: problem of her own making. It doesn't look weird to
Speaker 2: have them both together if she's also doing.
Speaker 3: Lots of other interviews.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, she hasn't done an interview practically since like
Speaker 2: that Lester Holt, the bacle.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's true, that's true. All right, let's see
Speaker 1: where we go from here.
Speaker 4: Talked about you call it the opportunity economy. Are well
Speaker 4: aware that right now many Americans are struggling. There's a
Speaker 4: crisis of affordability. One of your campaign themes is We're
Speaker 4: not going back. But I wonder what you say to
Speaker 4: voters who do want to go back when it comes
Speaker 4: to the economy, specifically because their groceries were less expensive,
Speaker 4: housing was more affordable when Donald Trump was president.
Speaker 6: Well, let's start with the fact that when Joe Biden
Speaker 6: and I came in office during the height of a pandemic,
Speaker 6: we saw over ten million jobs were lost. People I
Speaker 6: mean literally, we were all tracking the numbers. Hundreds people
Speaker 6: a day were dying because of COVID. The economy had
Speaker 6: crashed in large part all of that because of mismanagement
Speaker 6: by Donald Trump of that crisis.
Speaker 5: When we came in.
Speaker 6: Our highest priority was to do what we could to
Speaker 6: rescue America. And today we know that we have inflation
Speaker 6: at under three percent. A lot of our policies have
Speaker 6: led to the reality that America recovered faster than any
Speaker 6: wealthy nation around the world. But you are right, prices,
Speaker 6: in particular for groceries, are still too high. The American
Speaker 6: people know what I know it, which is why my
Speaker 6: agenda includes what we need to do to bring down
Speaker 6: the price of groceries, for example, dealing with an issue
Speaker 6: like price gouging. What we need to do to extend
Speaker 6: the child tax credit to help young families be able
Speaker 6: to take care of their children in their most formative years.
Speaker 6: What we need to do to bring down the cost
Speaker 6: of housing. My proposal includes what would be a tax
Speaker 6: credit of twenty five thousand dollars for first time home
Speaker 6: buyers so they can just have enough to put a
Speaker 6: down payment on a home, which is part of the
Speaker 6: American dream and their aspiration, but do it in a
Speaker 6: way that allows them to actually get on the path
Speaker 6: to achieving that goal in that dream.
Speaker 4: So you have been vice president for three and a
Speaker 4: half years. The steps that you're talking about, now, why
Speaker 4: haven't you done them already?
Speaker 6: Well, first of all, we had to recover as an economy,
Speaker 6: and we have done that. I'm very proud of the
Speaker 6: work that we have done that has brought inflation down
Speaker 6: to less than three percent, the work that we have
Speaker 6: done to cap the cost of insulin at thirty five
Speaker 6: dollars a month for seniors. Donald Trump said he was
Speaker 6: going to do a number of things, including allowing Medicare
Speaker 6: to negotiate drug prices.
Speaker 5: Never happened. We did it so.
Speaker 6: Now and as I travel in the state of Georgia
Speaker 6: and around our country, the number of seniors that have
Speaker 6: benefited I've met. I was in Nevada recently, a grandmother.
Speaker 6: She showed me her receipts and before we capped the
Speaker 6: cost of INCEALLAUINCE for seniors at thirty five dollars a month,
Speaker 6: she was playing hundreds of dollars up to thousands of
Speaker 6: dollars a month for her insulin. She's not doing that,
Speaker 6: and he maintained bionomics.
Speaker 1: So that part where you know, what the answer to
Speaker 1: what do you say to people who actually are like, no, actually,
Speaker 1: I do want to go back to the economy under
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. The answer she gave there could have subded
Speaker 1: in nicely for the Day one answer. This one she
Speaker 1: was clearly she was prepared for, right, She had gone
Speaker 1: over whatever they wanted to say here, and I thought
Speaker 1: she handled that quite well. In the same respect, it
Speaker 1: shows you, you know, she's not like, like I said,
Speaker 1: that answer could have been great for the Day one answer.
Speaker 1: She's not ni enough on her feet too. If it
Speaker 1: wasn't specifically in the briefing book for the answer to
Speaker 1: that question, she's not able to like pull it over
Speaker 1: in real time to insert it into the Day one question.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that was right exactly. So if she's if
Speaker 2: she has prepared for an answer, she can deliver a
Speaker 2: good answer. And I thought she'd delivered that one quite well, right, Yes,
Speaker 2: And she has. She's had some debate moments where she
Speaker 2: clearly had like prepped like I was the kid on
Speaker 2: that bus or or whatever, and she hit those marks
Speaker 2: quite well. So she can do that, and that is
Speaker 2: your prosecutors are probably that's what you're trained to do,
Speaker 2: like all right, here, here are the here's the evidence
Speaker 2: we've got against this defendant.
Speaker 3: Here's how we're going.
Speaker 2: To lay it, lay it out, and you deliver it well,
Speaker 2: thinking on her feet and which requires you to have
Speaker 2: some ideas, you know, about exactly what you're going to do.
Speaker 2: That's her challenge because she's kind of teaching for things.
Speaker 1: That's a great point because it's one thing to memory
Speaker 1: the bullet points that someone else has given you. It
Speaker 1: makes it much easier in these situations to be ex
Speaker 1: temporaneous if you yourself have an agenda, a plan in mind,
Speaker 1: core values, things you want to articulate. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think that's that's always been the challenge for her.
Speaker 1: The first debate back in twenty twenty, when she did
Speaker 1: the whole that little girl was me and they, I mean,
Speaker 1: now it's like curdled into being rather cringe, and they
Speaker 1: immediately started selling like mugs and T shirts that kind
Speaker 1: of forced it to become immediately cringe. She was fantastic
Speaker 1: in that debate, and not just in that moment which
Speaker 1: did land at the time, but throughout the debate. I
Speaker 1: thought she was the best performer on stage. But part
Speaker 1: of why is because she was fairly low in the
Speaker 1: polls going into that, and she wasn't taking a lot
Speaker 1: of incoming, so she was able to pick her spots
Speaker 1: based on where she was prepared, and she was able
Speaker 1: to occupy more of that sort of prosecutorial position of
Speaker 1: I'm going to challenge you with these things that I've
Speaker 1: already prepared and already thought through. And that's when she's
Speaker 1: at That's certainly when she's at her strongest and when
Speaker 1: she feels her greatest comfort or you know. A lot
Speaker 1: was made of the way she was in some of
Speaker 1: the Senate confirmation hearings with what was it Brett Kavanaugh,
Speaker 1: where she but people really liked how she performed a
Speaker 1: similar deal right there. You prepare your statue and your staff,
Speaker 1: you prepare, you know what your line and questioning is,
Speaker 1: and you can go in. So but in any case,
Speaker 1: that the one other thing I wanted to note about
Speaker 1: this this answer before we keep playing it, is she
Speaker 1: has a lot she She's been unburdened in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways by the fact that people are unhappy with
Speaker 1: the Biden economic legacy. They don't blame her for it.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. Actually, she is now basically tying in some
Speaker 1: instances succeeding Donald Trump in terms of who would be
Speaker 1: best on the economy. And I think part of the
Speaker 1: reason for that is Number one, I think just the
Speaker 1: fact that she's younger and so there's more confidence she
Speaker 1: could actually do some stuff, or at least communicate some stuff.
Speaker 1: Number Two, she genuinely was sidelined in the Biden administration,
Speaker 1: so people aren't wrong to be like, oh, this lady
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with any of this. I think
Speaker 1: that's actually kind of accurate. And number three, she's able
Speaker 1: to more comfortably make the commentary she just did, which
Speaker 1: is like, listen, things were challenging, we did great work,
Speaker 1: we got a lot done, but we know people are
Speaker 1: in pain and there's a lot more that needs to
Speaker 1: be done. That piece of being able to really empathize
Speaker 1: with people and where they are right now, and especially
Speaker 1: the concerns over pricing, is something that she is more
Speaker 1: free to do than Joe Biden was. And of course
Speaker 1: Joe Biden was not able really effectively to communicate about
Speaker 1: anything at this point outside of like NATO and Aucus.
Speaker 2: Oh and one quick thing on that, yeah, and our
Speaker 2: Trump supporting viewers, and we love our Trump supporting viewers
Speaker 2: are going to pick up on her thirty five dollars
Speaker 2: insulin thing.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 2: There's become a meme that actually Trump did that, and
Speaker 2: just the basic facts of this are Trump in mid
Speaker 2: twenty twenty did an executive order that are basically encouraged
Speaker 2: pharmaceutical companies or who are dealing with medicare down to
Speaker 2: thirty five dollars a month. It did lower prices for
Speaker 2: you know, at least probably some millions of seniors on medicare.
Speaker 2: Good for Trump for doing that executive order, two thumbs
Speaker 2: up for him. Biden did it through the Inflation Reduction
Speaker 2: Act and made it mandatory for everybody, not just yet,
Speaker 2: not just some seniors who voluntarily got a benefit from it.
Speaker 2: So that's the difference between what they're talking about here.
Speaker 1: Do you want to assign her any Pinocchio's or.
Speaker 3: The way she said it there?
Speaker 1: It was accurate.
Speaker 3: It was actually was totally accurate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just saw some polling I can't remember.
Speaker 1: I think it was a like progressive polster but who
Speaker 1: pulled all of her agenda items and lowering the cost
Speaker 1: of prescription drugs and specifically insulin was like the number
Speaker 1: one most popular thing. So no surprise that they.
Speaker 2: Deserve credit for that. They took on big pharma like
Speaker 2: they legitimately did.
Speaker 1: That's right, So no surprise that she that she emphasizes
Speaker 1: that here.
Speaker 7: Is a success.
Speaker 6: I maintain that when we do the work of bringing
Speaker 6: down prescription medication for the American people, including capping the
Speaker 6: cost of the annual cost of prescription medication for seniors
Speaker 6: at two thousand dollars, when we do what we did
Speaker 6: in the first year of being in office to extend
Speaker 6: the child tax credit so that we cut child poverty
Speaker 6: in America by over fifty percent, When we do what
Speaker 6: we have done to invest in the American people in
Speaker 6: bringing manufacturing back to the United States, so that we
Speaker 6: created over eight hundred thousand new manufacturing jobs, bringing business
Speaker 6: back to America, what we have done to improve the
Speaker 6: supply chain so we're not relying on foreign governments to
Speaker 6: supply American families with their basic needs. I'll say that
Speaker 6: that's good work. There's more to do, but that's good work.
Speaker 1: I wond so, Ryan, before we go to the next question,
Speaker 1: any thoughts on that piece you get asked about, like well,
Speaker 1: did you see you think the Bidenomics is good because
Speaker 1: you know, Bidenomics has become sort of a toxic brand
Speaker 1: just because of how unpopular, frankly Joe Biden himself is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they rolled through that stuff again like that, that's
Speaker 2: all great stuff. Now, the flip side of having cut
Speaker 2: child poverty in half is that when they let it expire,
Speaker 2: they doubled child poverty again. So you know, no credit
Speaker 2: for that. But yes, that that agenda that was enacted
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one and into the twenty twenty two
Speaker 2: that was a old school Europeans social welfare state that
Speaker 2: I think the country would love to see, you know,
Speaker 2: brought back permanently.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you look at the approval rating actually
Speaker 1: of Joe Biden, he was at his most popular when
Speaker 1: he was doing that, you know, social democratic welfare state
Speaker 1: type of legislation, when people had we're benefiting from you know,
Speaker 1: COVID supports of a wide variety, including the child tax credit,
Speaker 1: and it's both when you know, a lot of the
Speaker 1: story of the Biden administration is those things being cut
Speaker 1: piece by piece by peace. You couple that with inflation
Speaker 1: and then another pivot point. Unfortunately, the Biden administration was
Speaker 1: when he did the right thing, which were from Afghanistan,
Speaker 1: his approval rating takes a massive hit because of the
Speaker 1: you know, overwhelming media onslaught and punishment, punishment of him
Speaker 1: for doing what American people have asked him, asked presidents
Speaker 1: to do now for years at this point, and then
Speaker 1: you know, his decline and inability to really defend himself
Speaker 1: or articulate what he's up to or what the agendas
Speaker 1: or why people should believe in it, and you lead
Speaker 1: to you know, the abysmal approval rating, a bysmal assessment
Speaker 1: of Bidenomics, etc. That we see today.
Speaker 4: I think it's some clarity on where you stand on
Speaker 4: some key policy issues. Energy is a big one. When
Speaker 4: you were in Congress, you supported the Green New Deal,
Speaker 4: and in twenty nineteen you said, quote, there's no question
Speaker 4: I'm in favor of banning fracking. Cracking, as you know,
Speaker 4: is a pretty big issue, particularly in your must win
Speaker 4: state of Pennsylvania.
Speaker 7: Do you still want to ban fracking?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 6: And I made that clear on the debate station in
Speaker 6: twenty twenty that I would not ban fracking. As vice president,
Speaker 6: I did not banfracking. As president, I will not banfracking.
Speaker 7: In twenty nineteen.
Speaker 4: I believe at a town hall you said you were asked,
Speaker 4: would you commit to implementing a federal ban I'm fracking
Speaker 4: on your first Dan office and you said, there's no question,
Speaker 4: I'm in favor of banning fracking. So yes, So it
Speaker 4: changed in that campaign in twenty twenty. I'm very clear
Speaker 4: where I stand.
Speaker 6: We are in twenty twenty four, and I've not changed
Speaker 6: that position or will I going forward.
Speaker 5: I kept my word and I will keep my word.
Speaker 4: What made you change that position at the time, Well, let's.
Speaker 5: Be clear, my values have not changed.
Speaker 6: I believe it is very important that we take seriously
Speaker 6: what we must do to guard against what is a
Speaker 6: clear crisis in terms of the climate. And to do that,
Speaker 6: we can do what we have accomplished thus far, the
Speaker 6: Inflation Reduction Act, what we have done to invest, by
Speaker 6: my calculation, over probably a trillion dollars over the next
Speaker 6: ten years, investing in a clean energy economy, what we've
Speaker 6: already done creating over three hundred thousand new clean energy jobs.
Speaker 6: That tells me, from my experience as vice president, we
Speaker 6: can do it without banning fracking.
Speaker 5: In fact, Dana Dan, excuse me.
Speaker 6: I cast the tie breaking vote that actually increased leases
Speaker 6: for cracking as vice president.
Speaker 5: So I'm very clear about where I stand.
Speaker 4: And was there some policy or scientific data that you
Speaker 4: saw that you said, oh, okay, I get it.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 6: What I have seen is that we can we can grow,
Speaker 6: and we can increase a thriving clean energy economy without
Speaker 6: banning fracking.
Speaker 1: So there you go. That's part one. There's three parts
Speaker 1: here that we want to get through. But what do
Speaker 1: you make that fracking exchange? Try? It is free, slivery
Speaker 1: is very slivery. It's just tough.
Speaker 2: It's just tough because the honest answer is I was
Speaker 2: pandering to the Sunrise movement and the youth vote, trying
Speaker 2: to win the Democratic nomination for president in a period
Speaker 2: where the left was ascendant.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: I failed at that, and now I'm doing a different
Speaker 2: political thing.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So the I think, if you're not going to.
Speaker 2: Be honest about it, like the best approach would be,
Speaker 2: I get you know, if you had to clearly, they
Speaker 2: workshop like, all right, how do we answer this and
Speaker 2: not sound like complete frauds to say, okay, look, at
Speaker 2: the time, I thought you needed to ban fracking in
Speaker 2: order to confront climate change. But now I think you
Speaker 2: can actually confront climate change without banning fracking. Now that's
Speaker 2: a lie. It's blah blah blah blah blah. But like,
Speaker 2: I guess that's the best you can come up with.
Speaker 2: I don't know how how if you were Kamala Harris
Speaker 2: without saying I was lying because I was pandering to
Speaker 2: youth voters, like would you?
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you could frame pandering in a
Speaker 1: positive light of like, I'm responding to what voters what
Speaker 1: votvoters won, right, and at the time, voters were saying
Speaker 1: we want you to ban fragging. Sorry the dog is
Speaker 1: in here now she's moving everything. But U you know,
Speaker 1: so you could frame pandering as like being responsive to
Speaker 1: the world of voters. But no, I think that saying
Speaker 1: my values are the same, but you know, new information,
Speaker 1: I realize that we can now do this without banning bracking.
Speaker 1: I think probably is the best that you can do.
Speaker 1: And I mean it's fair to say that.
Speaker 3: There's would to win the election and that hasn't changed.
Speaker 1: True, true, I mean I think she could fairly claim that, like,
Speaker 1: you know, technological developments are changing what's possible blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: But the part that to me came off as the
Speaker 1: most weasley is when she said something like, you know,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, I stood on the stage and said I
Speaker 1: would not ban fragging or something like that, and Dana
Speaker 1: meet It is like, yeah, but three minutes before that,
Speaker 1: you were saying the polar opposite, which is kind of
Speaker 1: the point here. So there's no real wiggling out of this.
Speaker 1: And she comes back because this is not the only
Speaker 1: position that she's changed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she ran as Bernie in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for a while. And then also, you know, she
Speaker 1: starts off supporting Medicare for all because she thinks that's
Speaker 1: the thing. Then she gets Donor push back. Then she
Speaker 1: moved off of that even at the time. So so
Speaker 1: in any case, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Think her argument was I flip flopped on this four years.
Speaker 1: Ago, right, Yeah, I have a long flip flopped on that.
Speaker 1: I moved off this a long time ago. W Are
Speaker 1: you still talking to me about it now? I think
Speaker 1: one other thing that I'll say is there is a
Speaker 1: lot of justified criticism of Kamala Harris just very clearly
Speaker 1: shifting her positions depending on what she thinks is advantageous.
Speaker 1: We were talking about Trump earlier on abortion, like he
Speaker 1: does the same thing, perhaps even more shamelessly because he
Speaker 1: is there a position on abortion that he hasn't held
Speaker 1: at this point, right, not yet, you know, from planned
Speaker 1: parenthood supporter to saying that he's so pro life that
Speaker 1: women should be criminally punished if they have an abortion,
Speaker 1: to now being you know, kind of going coming back
Speaker 1: to the pro choice side of things, Like he literally
Speaker 1: shape shifts even sometimes within the same conversation. But he's
Speaker 1: just much more difficult to kind of pin down on
Speaker 1: those things. So people people don't this isn't the line
Speaker 1: of attack that they take against Trump, that he's a
Speaker 1: flip flopper for whatever reason. I'm not really sure why
Speaker 1: that is. But they don't think that they would be
Speaker 1: able to really nail him with that charge, right.
Speaker 3: Right, right, Yeah, nobody thinks he has convictions.
Speaker 1: True. Yeah, they're not expected supports. Yeah, true. All right,
Speaker 1: let me pull up part two here, here we go. Okay, Oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, I just want to mention I have
Speaker 1: this on one point two five speed just to not
Speaker 1: you know, make people think that I'm manipulating the video
Speaker 1: or whatever, just to get through it a little bit quicker.
Speaker 4: As vice president, you were tasked with addressing the root
Speaker 4: causes of migration in southern countries, and not a part
Speaker 4: of Central America, the northern part of of of Central
Speaker 4: America that deals with that affects the southern border of
Speaker 4: the US. During that Biden Harris administry, there were record
Speaker 4: numbers of illegal border crossings. Why did the Biden Harris
Speaker 4: administration wait three and a half years to implement sweeping
Speaker 4: asylum restrictions.
Speaker 6: Well, first of all, the root causes work that I
Speaker 6: did as Vice president, that I was asked to do
Speaker 6: by the President has actually resulted in a number of benefits,
Speaker 6: including historic investments by American businesses in that region. The
Speaker 6: number of immigrants coming from that region has actually reduced
Speaker 6: since we began that work. But I will say this
Speaker 6: that Joe Biden and I in our administration worked with
Speaker 6: members of the United States Congress on an immigration issue
Speaker 6: that is very significant to the American people and for
Speaker 6: our security, which is the border. And through bipartisan work,
Speaker 6: including some of the most conservative members of the United
Speaker 6: States Congress, a bill was crafted which we supported, which
Speaker 6: I support, and Donald Trump got word of this bill
Speaker 6: that would have contributed to securing our border, and because
Speaker 6: he believes that it would not have helped him politically,
Speaker 6: he told his folks in Congress, don't put it forward.
Speaker 6: He killed a bill, a border security bill that would
Speaker 6: have put fifteen hundred more agents on the border.
Speaker 5: And let me tell you something.
Speaker 6: The Border patrol endorsed the bill, and I'm sure, and
Speaker 6: I'm sure in large part because they knew they were
Speaker 6: working around the clock and fifteen hundred more agents would
Speaker 6: help them. That bill would have allowed us to increase
Speaker 6: seizures of fentanyl. Ask any community in America that has
Speaker 6: been devastated by fentanyl what passing that bill would have
Speaker 6: done to address their concern and pain that they see?
Speaker 7: You are so you would push that legislation again. I
Speaker 7: just want to push it.
Speaker 5: I will make sure that it comes to my desk
Speaker 5: and I would sign it.
Speaker 4: There's one other question about something that you said in
Speaker 4: twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've talked to you Ryan about
Speaker 1: this whole. Democrats think they were so clever with this whole.
Speaker 1: We're going to adopt the Trump border agenda and then,
Speaker 1: you know, try to get Republicans to pass it and
Speaker 1: then do this gotcha. Ah see, we did a jiu
Speaker 1: jitsu move, and actually we're the real border hawks, and
Speaker 1: we're the ones that really want to do the fascism
Speaker 1: on the border. I think that this is both immoral
Speaker 1: and the wrong policy. But I also think, and it's
Speaker 1: the critical part, is it decoupled what has long been
Speaker 1: the path of having comprehensive immigration reform path citizenship and
Speaker 1: the you know, the border sort of crackdown measures. And
Speaker 1: they just took out the border crackdown measures and just
Speaker 1: try to pass that. They thought this was a brilliant
Speaker 1: jiu jitsu move. Meanwhile, I'm sure you saw this. Paul
Speaker 1: Soger and I talked about it on the show. Because
Speaker 1: Democrats have accepted the Republican framing on immigration, and also
Speaker 1: because of the reality of high number of border crossings
Speaker 1: and you know, migrants being busted into blue cities, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Higher immigration has never been more unpopular, and decreasing immigration
Speaker 1: has never been more popular. So basically, under Trump, actually
Speaker 1: immigrants were more popular than ever before, and now under
Speaker 1: Biden they are, you know, at low in terms of
Speaker 1: support for increasing levels of migration. I really owe it
Speaker 1: to this political philosophy, which I think is utterly foolish
Speaker 1: outside of you know, again, I think im moral wrong
Speaker 1: in terms of what would actually be good for the country,
Speaker 1: et cetera.
Speaker 2: And we already have multiple experiments of this being tried
Speaker 2: in Europe. All the center left European parties when there
Speaker 2: was a migration surge over the last ten years in Europe,
Speaker 2: swung far right to try to say that they were
Speaker 2: just as tough on immigrants as the right wing, but
Speaker 2: they were going to be more humane, you know, and
Speaker 2: liberal and reasonable about it, and they all were obliterated,
Speaker 2: Like there's basically no center left left right in Europe.
Speaker 3: Or you can think.
Speaker 2: About the clip of oh, I guess we didn't play
Speaker 2: the Trump clip, but that of Trump talking about abortion
Speaker 2: rights with this Florida reporter. So now he's pro choice,
Speaker 2: he's going to vote against the constitutional Amendment. You know,
Speaker 2: he's going to vote for basically, you know, allowing abortion.
Speaker 3: In Florida all the way.
Speaker 1: Up to liability. Yeah, it's like it's basically codifying row
Speaker 1: in Florida effectively.
Speaker 2: So, first of all, does anybody believe as a result
Speaker 2: of Trump saying that that Republicans are good on abortion
Speaker 2: and rights?
Speaker 1: Like nobody believes that, Yeah, and you're literally the guy
Speaker 1: who put these justices on the bench.
Speaker 2: So in the same way, does anybody believe that Democrats
Speaker 2: are the ones, like, if you really want somebody who's
Speaker 2: going to crack down on the border, of course, is
Speaker 2: it going to be Democrats Republicans?
Speaker 4: Of course?
Speaker 2: But what will Trump's capitulation on abortion rights?
Speaker 3: Due to the polling, There'll be some.
Speaker 2: Trump supporters who are like, you know what, like you
Speaker 2: said that that Florida amendment now will probably pass in
Speaker 2: like massively, like with bigger numbers than it would have otherwise.
Speaker 2: And so in this and you see the flip side
Speaker 2: on immigration, the numbers moving, people are like, all right, well,
Speaker 2: if Democrats are for this and Republicans are for this,
Speaker 2: let's do it. If you but you know, in your
Speaker 2: debate with Zier, you guys talked about how there's a
Speaker 2: correlation between you know, illegal crossings and people's you know,
Speaker 2: anger at abortion, at immigration, and the desire to reduce
Speaker 2: those those crossings. So what you could do is actually
Speaker 2: do what Kama was talking about is a root causes.
Speaker 3: It's true that.
Speaker 2: In hunter Us, Guatemala and El Salvador, where you know,
Speaker 2: she was tasked with like reducing outflow. There has been
Speaker 2: a reduction in outflow that doesn't have a lot to
Speaker 2: do with what the US did. A lot of bucelli
Speaker 2: uh In Honduras you have a social democratic and shamr
Speaker 2: Castro come in who made things a little bit better.
Speaker 2: Uh So, but a lot of that migrants are coming
Speaker 2: from Haiti, uh, Venezuela and Cuba, and they're all coming.
Speaker 3: As a result of US policies.
Speaker 2: So we could, like, if Democrats actually want to do
Speaker 2: something about it, rather than trying to act like Republicans,
Speaker 2: they could actually just stop sanctioning Venezuela, stop messing with
Speaker 2: and destroying Haiti, and stop sanctioning and destroying Cuba, and
Speaker 2: boom like something. Some massive portion of the migration flow Intoto,
Speaker 2: the border stops cold.
Speaker 3: People would prefer to stay where they are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we flatter ourselves come here. That's not right, Like
Speaker 2: if you live in Venezuela or Cue, but you want
Speaker 2: to stay there.
Speaker 1: The other thing is we are in a different place
Speaker 1: economically than we were, like when Trump was first running
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, and if you take him seriously about
Speaker 1: literally deporting all twelve fifteen million. However, many undocumented immigrants
Speaker 1: that we have here, the level of economic catastrophe that
Speaker 1: would be is basically unfathomable. I mean, we have a
Speaker 1: low unemployment rate. Now, the wages aren't high enough, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of problems in the labor market, but it's
Speaker 1: actually not a high unemployment rate. There isn't a massive,
Speaker 1: you know, unemployed group of laborers out there waiting to
Speaker 1: you know, pick the strawberries in the field, or lay
Speaker 1: the roofing in the construcer, or help build the houses
Speaker 1: that we desperately need to build in this country. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. I mean, if you just look at
Speaker 1: the instead, the most salient issue that people tell us
Speaker 1: over and over again is their biggest economic concern is prices.
Speaker 1: If you genuinely kicked out of the country all fifteen
Speaker 1: million of those workers or whatever, the number is, the
Speaker 1: amount that the prices of all of your grocery items
Speaker 1: and of every new house, the amount that with skyrocket
Speaker 1: is literally insane, not to mention, you know, the massive
Speaker 1: cost to the state of and what an incredible imposition
Speaker 1: you talk about the deep state or the police state
Speaker 1: or whatever, like, it's unfathomable how you would have to
Speaker 1: crack down and surveil and militarize this response to round
Speaker 1: all of these people up, many of whom have been
Speaker 1: here for many years, etc. Like if you actually take
Speaker 1: it at face value from an economic perspective, it's utterly insane.
Speaker 1: But you know, again, no one is making that argument,
Speaker 1: no one, So of course the public is like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: Democrats and the Republicans agree, So I guess they're right.
Speaker 1: I guess we just need to do this border crackdown
Speaker 1: and that's that. And these immigrants are just bad in
Speaker 1: every single way, which of course is not the reality
Speaker 1: of you know, the immigrant population, both legal and illegal,
Speaker 1: that we have in this country at this point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's see what we got next.
Speaker 7: When you first ran, there was a debate.
Speaker 4: You raised your hand when asked whether or not the
Speaker 4: border should be decriminalized.
Speaker 5: Do you still believe that? I believe there should be consequence.
Speaker 6: We have laws that have to be followed and enforced
Speaker 6: that address and deal with people who cross our border illegally,
Speaker 6: and there should be consequence. And let's be clear, in
Speaker 6: this race, I'm the only person who has prosecuted transnational
Speaker 6: criminal organizations who trafficking guns, drugs, and human beings. I'm
Speaker 6: the only person in this race who actually served a
Speaker 6: border state as attorney general to enforce our laws, and
Speaker 6: I would enforce our laws as president going forward.
Speaker 5: I recognize the.
Speaker 4: Problem generally speaking, how should voters look at some of
Speaker 4: the changes that you've made that you've explained some of
Speaker 4: here in your policy. Is it because you have more
Speaker 4: experience now and you've learned more about the information. Is
Speaker 4: it because you were running for president in a Democratic primary?
Speaker 4: And should they feel comfortable and confident that what you're
Speaker 4: saying now is going to be your policy moving forward?
Speaker 6: Dan, I think the most important and most significant aspect
Speaker 6: of my policy perspective and decisions is my values have
Speaker 6: not changed.
Speaker 5: You mentioned the Green New Deal.
Speaker 6: I have always believed, and I've worked on it, that
Speaker 6: the climate crisis is real, that it is an urgent
Speaker 6: matter to which we should apply metrics that include holding
Speaker 6: ourselves to deadlines around time. We did that with the
Speaker 6: Inflation Reduction Act. We have set goals for the United
Speaker 6: States of America and by extension, the globe around when
Speaker 6: we should meet certain standards for reduction of greenhouse gas emissions.
Speaker 6: As an example, that value has not changed. My value
Speaker 6: around what we need to do to secure our border.
Speaker 6: That value has not changed. I spent two terms as
Speaker 6: the Attorney General of California prosecuting transnational criminal organization violations
Speaker 6: of American laws regarding the passage illegal passage of guns, drugs,
Speaker 6: and human beings across our border.
Speaker 5: My values have not changed. So that is the reality
Speaker 5: of it.
Speaker 6: And four years of being vice president, I'll tell you
Speaker 6: one of the aspects to your point is traveling the
Speaker 6: country extensively.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm here in Georgia.
Speaker 6: I think somebody told me seventeen times since I've been
Speaker 6: vice president in Georgia alone. I believe it is important
Speaker 6: to build consensus, and it is important to find a
Speaker 6: commonplace of understanding of where we can actually solve problems.
Speaker 1: On that note, any any reflections on that part. First
Speaker 1: of all, her favorite phraseology at this point is transnational
Speaker 1: criminal gangs. She tries to say that as much as
Speaker 1: you possibly can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the same problem that she has with all
Speaker 2: of the other, you know, left wing positions that she
Speaker 2: took in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's the same.
Speaker 2: Like say, like it's I'm just I was pandering then
Speaker 2: I'm pandering like it's there's no good answer.
Speaker 3: You just flip through you try.
Speaker 1: Got it questions. Yeah, you just got to stick to
Speaker 1: the script and hope that the questioner moves on.
Speaker 4: Ultimately, you had a lot of Republican speakers at the convention.
Speaker 4: Will you appoint the Republican to your cabinet? Yes?
Speaker 5: I would, no one, no one in particular mine.
Speaker 6: I got it sixty eight days to go with the selection,
Speaker 6: so I'm not putting the car before the horse, but
Speaker 6: I would. I think I think it's really important. I
Speaker 6: have spent my career inviting diversity of opinion. I think
Speaker 6: it's important to have people at the table and when
Speaker 6: some of the most important decisions are being made that
Speaker 6: have different views, different experiences, And I think it would
Speaker 6: be to the benefit of the American public to have
Speaker 6: a member of my cabinet who was a Republican.
Speaker 1: What did you think of that, Ryan, Because there was
Speaker 1: a lot of online commentary on the left about this comment.
Speaker 2: Because everyone immediately is like, wait a minute, you can
Speaker 2: have a Republican in your cabinet, but you can't even
Speaker 2: have a palse stinting and give a two minute vetted
Speaker 2: speech on stage at the DNC where they're supporting you.
Speaker 2: So I think that part punched a lot of people
Speaker 2: in the face. But in general, like you know, Obama
Speaker 2: had ray La Hood as his Transportation secretary, this like
Speaker 2: moderate Republican, and you know he did find as a
Speaker 2: transportation secretary.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Can find a Republican who's going to There's also now
Speaker 2: like so many cabinet positions. They've elevated a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of things to quote quote unquote cabinet level positions that
Speaker 2: you can you can harmlessly toss one of those to
Speaker 2: a Republican if it, you know, if you think there's
Speaker 2: some political benefit and you're gonna win over the Bill
Speaker 2: Crystals and other never Trump Republicans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I do think like, even though
Speaker 1: we may discount it, there are a lot of like
Speaker 1: you know, moderate subourban, formerly Republican whatever who see that
Speaker 1: hear those and like, oh, she's you know, the party
Speaker 1: that's very reasonable you hear from. Yeah, exactly right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I sort of felt the same. I felt
Speaker 1: all of those emotions because the point about like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, all they ever do is reach out to
Speaker 1: Republicans and punch the left right, and and for the
Speaker 1: beginning of the Harris campaign, which is now all of
Speaker 1: like a month old, you didn't see a lot of that.
Speaker 1: I mean, the choice of Tim Walls was the most
Speaker 1: dramatic break from that pattern. I just assumed, like, oh,
Speaker 1: progressives want this guy, the left wants this guy. There's
Speaker 1: no way it's going to be Tim Walls. And then
Speaker 1: that comes as as a major shock at the convention,
Speaker 1: and in this interview you get the sense that those
Speaker 1: old Democratic Party patterns are taking hold. And it's almost like,
Speaker 1: you know, there's the classic political theory of like, oh,
Speaker 1: in the primary, they you know, they dance this way,
Speaker 1: and then the general election they go back the other way,
Speaker 1: the like primary general election two step, And I guess
Speaker 1: that's happening here is just in a very condensed timeline,
Speaker 1: since there wasn't you know, really a prime, there wasn't
Speaker 1: a primary at all, and so she went from two
Speaker 1: weeks of being relatively benevolent towards the left to now
Speaker 1: doing the normal Democratic leg general election. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: going to get a Republican in my cabinet thing. I
Speaker 1: will say, some people online were floating like, hey, why
Speaker 1: don't you pick like Susan Collins, for example, or like
Speaker 1: another Republican senator in a state with a you know
Speaker 1: that a Democrat could win, or that has a democratic
Speaker 1: governor that appoints the senator, et cetera, et cetera. So
Speaker 1: I don't on its face, I don't hate having the
Speaker 1: idea of having a modern Republican in especially if it
Speaker 1: kind of gives you cover to do something that's meaningless
Speaker 1: as a gesture to the right, but then have an
Speaker 1: agenda that's actually like populous in the way that the
Speaker 1: agenda she has announced is populist and does represent, you know,
Speaker 1: some of the better parts of the of the Biden administration.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to ask you about your opponents, Donald Trump.
Speaker 7: I was a little bit surprised.
Speaker 4: People might be surprised to hear that you have never
Speaker 4: interacted with him, met him face to face.
Speaker 7: That's going to change soon.
Speaker 1: But what I want to ask you, have you met
Speaker 1: Trump face to face?
Speaker 3: Ryan been in rooms? But not No, not really, so I.
Speaker 1: Actually I actually this was surprised. I didn't know she'd
Speaker 1: never met him. I actually give you back. Okay. The
Speaker 1: White House correspondents dinner after the one where Obama humiliated
Speaker 1: him I was doing like a red carpet interview thing
Speaker 1: for MSNBC and him and Malania Kane. And this was
Speaker 1: back when he was teasing that he might run, but
Speaker 1: it hadn't actually been and no one was taking him seriously, right,
Speaker 1: And I was like, Okay, yeah, whatever, this is just
Speaker 1: a stunt to help you with your apprentice brand, which
Speaker 1: may have been true by the way, anyway, So yeah,
Speaker 1: I him the question. I was asked, like, hey, what
Speaker 1: happened with those private investigators down in Hawaii that you
Speaker 1: were sending to look at Obama's birth certificate? And he
Speaker 1: was like that was That's the wrong question, Crystal, That's
Speaker 1: the wrong question.
Speaker 2: I was at that dinner too. My table was actually
Speaker 2: really close to his. I was just watching him the
Speaker 2: whole time, and his face was just boiling.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So anyway, funny that she's never met him
Speaker 1: face to face.
Speaker 7: About is what he said last month.
Speaker 4: He suggested that you happened to turn black recently for
Speaker 4: political purposes, questioning a core park of your identity, any same.
Speaker 6: Old tired playbook, Next question, please, that's it?
Speaker 1: Okay, great answer. Best part of the interview, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: like learned a lot from the failures of the Hillary
Speaker 1: Clinton campaign. This is exactly and so different from how
Speaker 1: Democrats have handled Trump the entire time, which would any
Speaker 1: other moment this would have launched into some long moralizing
Speaker 1: hi about it and this would have been a multi
Speaker 1: weak news cycle, and instead, because of the way she
Speaker 1: handled it at the time, which was also very dismissive,
Speaker 1: like this, everybody just moved on and it didn't work.
Speaker 1: It didn't work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, makes them look weird and like a loser.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, and they're just like okay, whatever, moving on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is exactly and just an overall note, Dan, I
Speaker 1: think at one point we'll get to it. Asked her
Speaker 1: specifically about her identity, but very different from the Hillary
Speaker 1: Clinton campaign. She really does have the idea the sense
Speaker 1: of like people can see I'm a black woman, like
Speaker 1: I don't need to talk about it, you know, the
Speaker 1: trailblazing status or it's that's obvious and it's not what
Speaker 1: people care about, and sort of narcissistic to always constantly
Speaker 1: be leaning into like what this means for me personally
Speaker 1: on my journey of self discovery and you know, and ambition.
Speaker 1: So I think they've been very that's been one of
Speaker 1: the smarter aspects of this campaign.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's talk about some foreign policy issues that would
Speaker 4: be on your if you become commander in chief. President
Speaker 4: Biden has tried unsuccessfully to end the war between Israel
Speaker 4: and Hamas in Daza.
Speaker 7: He's been doing it for months and months along with you.
Speaker 4: Would you do anything differently, for example, would you withhold
Speaker 4: some US weapons shipments to Israel? That's what a lot
Speaker 4: of people on the progressive left want you to do.
Speaker 5: Let me be very clear.
Speaker 6: I am unequivocal and unwavering in my commitment Israel's defense
Speaker 6: and its ability to defend itself, and that's not going
Speaker 6: to change.
Speaker 5: But let's take a step back.
Speaker 6: October seven, twelve hundred people are massacred, many young people
Speaker 6: who are simply attending a music festival.
Speaker 5: Women were horribly raped.
Speaker 6: As I said then, I say today Israel had a right,
Speaker 6: has a right to defend itself. We would and how
Speaker 6: it does so matters. Far too many innocent Palestinians have
Speaker 6: been killed. And we have got to get a deal done.
Speaker 6: We were in Doha. We have to get a deal done.
Speaker 6: This war must and we must get a deal that
Speaker 6: is about getting the hostages out I've met with the
Speaker 6: families of the American hostages. Let's get the hostages out,
Speaker 6: Let's get the ceasefire done.
Speaker 7: But no change of policy in terms of arms and
Speaker 7: so forth.
Speaker 6: No, we have to get a deal done, Dana. We
Speaker 6: have to get a deal done. When you look at
Speaker 6: the significance of this to the families, to the people
Speaker 6: who are living in that region, a deal is not
Speaker 6: only the right thing to do to end this war,
Speaker 6: but will unlock so much of what must happen next.
Speaker 6: I remain committed since I've been on October eighth to
Speaker 6: what we must do to work toward a two state
Speaker 6: solution where Israel is secure and an equal measure Palestinians
Speaker 6: have security and self determination and dignity.
Speaker 2: Your thoughts, Ryan Well, Dana said some weapons. Maybe Harris
Speaker 2: didn't even pick up on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, by like completely weapons, you know.
Speaker 3: Self weapons.
Speaker 2: The Biden administration has even said that they would restrict
Speaker 2: weapons like the two thousand pound bombs used for offensive purposes.
Speaker 3: Like Harris.
Speaker 2: People keep saying that Harris is better rhetorically and you
Speaker 2: know more, you know, more empathetic. Where's where's the empathy there?
Speaker 2: Like when when you're actually not even standing by the
Speaker 2: tiniest of concessions that the Biden administration, her administration has
Speaker 2: has made, seems like she, you know, she very clearly
Speaker 2: wants to just say she unequivocally, unconditionally whatever supports you know,
Speaker 2: Israel's right to defend itself. Whereas even Biden say, well
Speaker 2: that maybe the two thousand pound bombs dropped on refugee camps,
Speaker 2: we're not gonna we're not gonna allow that, or at
Speaker 2: least we won't allow it for like a two week
Speaker 2: pause period.
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's such a great point that she could
Speaker 1: have really leaned into. I mean, it's kind of bullshit
Speaker 1: because they ultimately release those whatever right and have given
Speaker 1: Israel ultimately everything Israel could possibly want and more, But
Speaker 1: is enough of a fig leaf to allow her to
Speaker 1: create some sense of separation at least from the Biden
Speaker 1: administration by leaning into that. Listen, we did this with
Speaker 1: the Biden you know, with Joe Biden, we said this
Speaker 1: is unacceptable, and we did withhold it and I would
Speaker 1: do I would I keep that option on the table,
Speaker 1: you know, so there was a way to say this
Speaker 1: with you know, there's such concern on this one issue
Speaker 1: there's such concern about a clear break with the Biden policy.
Speaker 1: There's no concern on that and on literally any other issue.
Speaker 1: But she clearly feels like or you know, also maybe
Speaker 1: just ideologically believes or feels that that's less likely, because
Speaker 1: I don't think she has ideological beliefs, but she feels
Speaker 1: this is where the pressure is, as she needs to
Speaker 1: prove how committed to Israel she is, and she doesn't
Speaker 1: feel as much pressure from the left for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: whatever political calculus she's doing, which by the way, I
Speaker 1: think is foolish when you look just look at the polls.
Speaker 1: But yeah, on this one issue, she feels like, oh,
Speaker 1: I have to just stay locked up with the Biden
Speaker 1: administration not show any sort of you know, distance, And
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of I think that's an excuse,
Speaker 1: Like I think that's I see people making that excuse
Speaker 1: for I think that's kind of a bullshit excuse.
Speaker 2: And when Dana Bash says that this is what the
Speaker 2: progressive left wants you to do, it's true that the
Speaker 2: progressive left wants you to do that, but so does
Speaker 2: more than sixty percent of the country.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's right, that's exactly.
Speaker 2: Great approval for Biden's Israel policy is in the twenties.
Speaker 2: It's like it's he's less popular on his Israel policy
Speaker 2: than he is on his approach to.
Speaker 3: Inflation and immigration.
Speaker 2: That's right exact, breaking with him would be a political benefit.
Speaker 2: And then she leans in to this the mass rape claim,
Speaker 2: because she understands that there's absolutely no consequences, you know,
Speaker 2: for saying that, despite the fact that there is not
Speaker 2: yet evidence of that being the case.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: In fact, Israel so desperate to produce him evidence. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you saw this last week. Yeah, this,
Speaker 2: this Facebook group produced a letter that we now have
Speaker 2: confirmed is a complete hoax, making up, making up like
Speaker 2: the most horrific things, and you know, it spent a
Speaker 2: week getting shared by prominent journalists and then the admission
Speaker 2: that it was actually a hoax was.
Speaker 1: Just you know, quiet just gets buried. Yeah. And meanwhile,
Speaker 1: on the contrary, we have seen on camera IDF soldiers
Speaker 1: gang raping a Palestinian prisoner and that.
Speaker 2: Somehows dozens of cases like confirmed by.
Speaker 1: The Human Rights human rights organization, so and so, we
Speaker 1: have lots of documented evidence of systematized sexual assault of
Speaker 1: Palestinians who are being held in this you know, prison
Speaker 1: concentration camp so bad that even the Israelis felt like, oh,
Speaker 1: we got to at least pretend like we might might
Speaker 1: prosecute some of these guys and then come under massive,
Speaker 1: you know, pressure and huge backlash from their own citizenry.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that that somehow never gets mentioned. So I
Speaker 1: had a question for you specifically because you've done so
Speaker 1: much work reporting on the political incentives and shaping of
Speaker 1: you know, the Israel Palestine conflicting this war. Specifically, my
Speaker 1: hope for Kamala Harris was kind of the hope of like,
Speaker 1: this is just a political cipher, Like she doesn't believe anything.
Speaker 1: Biden is an ideological Zionist. You were not moving him
Speaker 1: off that position, period, end of story. My hope was
Speaker 1: that she would look at the polling that you mentioned, like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, this isn't just the progressive left. A clear
Speaker 1: majority of the country, including a very clear majority of
Speaker 1: independence Republicans are the only want to post to this,
Speaker 1: and they're they're not even they're not voting for you anyway,
Speaker 1: so don't worry about them. They want to ceasefire, but
Speaker 1: they they want to see weapons. They don't want their
Speaker 1: taxpayer dollars going to drop bombs and children who are
Speaker 1: in tents in refugee camps. They don't want that. And
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of polling at this point about
Speaker 1: how just pure cynical electoral calculus, you stand more, you
Speaker 1: have more to gain from taking the position of the
Speaker 1: quote unquote program have left then continuing to do this
Speaker 1: whole Israel has a right to defend themselves no matter what,
Speaker 1: and yes they can do a genocide, and yes they
Speaker 1: can drop the bombs on the babies in the tents
Speaker 1: and have a polio epidemic and whatever endlessly, and I'll
Speaker 1: never do anything about it. That was my hope. But
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like she's making that calculus. It seems
Speaker 1: like she feels. The pressure she feels is the pressure
Speaker 1: that Democrats and Republicans, but Democrats in particular have felt
Speaker 1: from time immemorial that they can't piss off you know,
Speaker 1: the Israel lobby or you know, the people for whom
Speaker 1: this is a die hard commitment to the end of time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think part of it is that ingrained fear
Speaker 2: of decades of that commitment to the pro Israel lobby.
Speaker 2: And then I think also my guess is that the
Speaker 2: campaign is nervous about what's going to happen on college
Speaker 2: campuses between now and the election, and they think that.
Speaker 1: Well, she's not helping things with these kind of comments.
Speaker 2: No, right, No, that's an interesting point. Yes, she will
Speaker 2: make things worse. Like the way to end these camp
Speaker 2: protests is to get a cease fire deal and just
Speaker 2: force it, like a really government already put forward a
Speaker 2: proposal that Hamas accepted.
Speaker 3: Just implement it. Just do that like you could do that.
Speaker 2: You're the United States of America, the most powerful empire
Speaker 2: in world history. Not doing that is going to inflame
Speaker 2: campus protests for the next two months, and I think
Speaker 2: that they don't want to be at all associated with
Speaker 2: those campus protests.
Speaker 1: Not to mention, the longer this goes on, the more
Speaker 1: likely you are to have a larger regional war. That
Speaker 1: means that not only are you going to be hobbled
Speaker 1: politically in terms of getting yourself elected right now, but
Speaker 1: your whole presidency is going to be handstrung by being
Speaker 1: tied once again into an unpopular war in the Middle
Speaker 1: East and whatever you know, thoughts you may potentially theoretically
Speaker 1: have about a child tax credit et cetera. Like, all
Speaker 1: of that is going to be undercut if you are
Speaker 1: boxed in in the way that Phoebe wants to box you. First,
Speaker 1: he wants you to lose, okay, doing his best to
Speaker 1: make sure that that happens. And if by some you
Speaker 1: know chance, you were able to win in spite of
Speaker 1: his efforts, he wants to box you in, so you
Speaker 1: have no exit and it's you know, dramatically politically unpopular
Speaker 1: for you to leave at that point. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean there they have fallen into his traps every step
Speaker 1: of the way. And I didn't expect her to have
Speaker 1: any like worl qualms. I thought it would all be
Speaker 1: ambition driven. But she seems to be engaging in the
Speaker 1: same like outdated, foolish political calculus that leads her into
Speaker 1: the same, you know, foolish bear hug position of Joe Biden,
Speaker 1: and that is deeply, deeply disappointing. Yep, all right, I
Speaker 1: got the part three here, last piece, I go ahead
Speaker 1: and pull this up. Here we go.
Speaker 7: Country is just starting to get to know you.
Speaker 4: I want to ask you a question about how you've
Speaker 4: described your service in the National Guard. You said that
Speaker 4: you carried weapons in war, but you have never deployed
Speaker 4: actually in a war zone.
Speaker 7: Beneficials said that you misspoke, did you well, First of.
Speaker 8: All, I'm incredibly proud I've done twenty four years of
Speaker 8: wearing uniform of this country. Equally proud of my service
Speaker 8: in a public school classroom, whether it's Congress or the governor.
Speaker 8: My record speaks for itself. But I think people are
Speaker 8: coming to get to know me. I speak like they do.
Speaker 8: I speak candidately, I wear my emotions on my sleeves,
Speaker 8: and I speak especially passionately abo about our children being
Speaker 8: shot in schools and around guns. So I think people
Speaker 8: know me, they know who I am, they know where
Speaker 8: my heart is. And again, my record has been out
Speaker 8: there for over forty years to be for itself.
Speaker 4: And the idea that you said that you were in war,
Speaker 4: did you mis speak as the campaign has.
Speaker 8: Had, Yeah, I said we were talking about in this case,
Speaker 8: this was after school shooting, the ideas of carrying these
Speaker 8: weapons of war and my wife the English tour. My
Speaker 8: grammar's not always correct, but again, if it's not this
Speaker 8: it's an attack on my children for showing love for me,
Speaker 8: or it's.
Speaker 3: An attack on my dog.
Speaker 8: I'm not going to do that. And the one thing
Speaker 8: I'll never do is I'll never to meet another member's
Speaker 8: service in any way.
Speaker 3: I never have and I never will.
Speaker 1: What do you think ran.
Speaker 2: He forgot in the first answer to contextualize it, and
Speaker 2: Dana kind of like helps him out and with the
Speaker 2: follow up answer. His quote where he said he carried
Speaker 2: weapons in war was in this congressional debate about an
Speaker 2: assault weapon ban in the wake of a school shooting,
Speaker 2: so he was indeed talking about weapons of war. The
Speaker 2: way he said it was quite misleading. He said I've
Speaker 2: carried weapons in war war. He should have contextualized what
Speaker 2: the debate was first. I also think he should just
Speaker 2: let people know what the argument is about because so
Speaker 2: many people are not following it.
Speaker 3: He deployed as part of Operation Enduring Freedom to Europe.
Speaker 2: Where Turkey, I think it was Italy Italy, So he
Speaker 2: deployed as part of OEF, and it is understandable he
Speaker 2: could say. It's understandable that people who are not in
Speaker 2: the military hear me say that I deployed as part
Speaker 2: of OEF, think that the deployment was either in Afghanistan
Speaker 2: or Iraq, but it was not, and people who were
Speaker 2: in the military understand that there are lots of kinds
Speaker 2: of deployments that do not involve, you know, seeing combat
Speaker 2: or being in a war. So so I don't know
Speaker 2: what what did you make of it?
Speaker 1: So I think I agree more with your first point
Speaker 1: than your second point. I think probably the best way
Speaker 1: to respond to this is to immediately shift from you know,
Speaker 1: clearly he misspoke, whether it was intentionally misleading or you know,
Speaker 1: or just a true slip of the tongue. Hard to say.
Speaker 1: People aren't likely to, you know, trust politicians at their
Speaker 1: word with this stuff, but to immediately shift the frame to, well,
Speaker 1: let's talk about what I was talking about though, because
Speaker 1: you know, I was talking about our kids having to
Speaker 1: go to school and do lockdown drills, which our kids
Speaker 1: are all you know, back in school. Mine have already
Speaker 1: done their lockdown drills.
Speaker 3: Those drills are not helpful.
Speaker 1: And you know, my seven year old is coming home
Speaker 1: and asking me questions about it, and you know, sort
Speaker 1: of freaked down, like it's it's a horror, it's it
Speaker 1: is a horrible state of affairs that this is the
Speaker 1: reality in America. And as a public school teacher, no
Speaker 1: one would be better positioned to really speak to that
Speaker 1: horror and immediately shift the frame. So I I think
Speaker 1: it would be fine for him to just be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just slip at the time, I misspoke, but let
Speaker 1: me tell you what the real issue is here, and
Speaker 1: then move on. Because the minute you get in the
Speaker 1: weeds about like, well, my rank was technically this, but
Speaker 1: then I didn't fill out the paperwork, and then it's that,
Speaker 1: and then yes it was an operation, then you're playing
Speaker 1: into their you know, what they want you to be
Speaker 1: talking about. The other thing that I would say is,
Speaker 1: you know when he immediately goes you know, if it
Speaker 1: wasn't this, it'd be my kid being you know, expressing love.
Speaker 1: It'd be the attack of my dog. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys saw this, but there was this whole
Speaker 1: like online conspiracy about how he was lying about it.
Speaker 1: I was insane. It was so ridiculous, and the Right
Speaker 1: has given him that out because they have been they
Speaker 1: do have tim walls'ter arrangement syndrome, and they have attacked
Speaker 1: him for some of the most ridiculous things. So if
Speaker 1: this you know, attack on him quote unquote misrepresenting his
Speaker 1: military service, if this was going to stick, they needed
Speaker 1: to stay in this lane rather than now trying to
Speaker 1: dig up like most absurd minor. There was that story
Speaker 1: about oh, he said he got an award from the
Speaker 1: Chamber of Commerce, but actually it was the Junior Chamber
Speaker 1: of Commerce, gotcha. So they kind of you know, backed
Speaker 1: themselves into a corner by having Tim Wall's arrangement syndrome
Speaker 1: and attacking him for his kid and his dog and
Speaker 1: getting whether it was the Chamber of Commerce or the
Speaker 1: Junior Chamber of Commerce wrong, or having a rally sign
Speaker 1: that was like, you know, didn't have all the context
Speaker 1: of his service and operation enduring freedom or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think that's right.
Speaker 4: This one other question, because again this is all new.
Speaker 4: This was not ever many days ago. This was not
Speaker 4: on either of your BINGO cards, especially yours. You had
Speaker 4: to clarify that you had said that you and your
Speaker 4: wife used IBF, but it turned out you used a
Speaker 4: different kind of fertility in order to have children. And
Speaker 4: then when you ran for Congress in two thousand and six,
Speaker 4: your campaign repeatedly made all statements about a nineteen ninety
Speaker 4: five arrest for drunken reckless driving. What do you say
Speaker 4: to voters who aren't sure whether they can take you
Speaker 4: at your word.
Speaker 8: Well, I've been very public. I think they can see
Speaker 8: my students come out, former folks I've served with, and
Speaker 8: they vouch for me. I certainly own my mistakes when
Speaker 8: I make them. The one thing I'll tell you is
Speaker 8: of I wished in this country wouldn't have to do this.
Speaker 8: I spoke about our infertility issues because it's hell and
Speaker 8: families know this. And I spoke about the treatments that
Speaker 8: were available to us that had those beautiful children there.
Speaker 8: That's quite a contrast in folks that are trying to
Speaker 8: take those rights away from us. And so I think
Speaker 8: people know who I am, they know that record, They've
Speaker 8: seen that I've taught thousands of students. I've been out there,
Speaker 8: and I won't apologize for peaking passionately, whether it's guns
Speaker 8: and schools or protecting you reproductive rights. The contrast could
Speaker 8: not be clear between what we're running against. The Vice
Speaker 8: President's position on this has been clear, and I think
Speaker 8: most Americans get it if you've been through that. I
Speaker 8: don't think they're cutting hairs on IVF or IUI. I
Speaker 8: think what they're cutting hairs on as an abortion band
Speaker 8: and the ability to be able to deny familis the
Speaker 8: chance to have a beautiful child.
Speaker 1: See that I think is handled as well as you can.
Speaker 1: And to say, you know, I own my mistakes. But
Speaker 1: you know, here's the point. Let me take it back
Speaker 1: to the political issue.
Speaker 2: Because he got correct me on I don't know quite
Speaker 2: the details. They got some fertility treatment, but it wasn't IVF.
Speaker 1: It wasn't technically IVF. Yeah, so in any case, which again,
Speaker 1: like I think, if I think.
Speaker 2: His point that the the like depth of the pain
Speaker 2: and anxiety associated with it is equivalent, probably is what
Speaker 2: he's saying.
Speaker 3: And I think that's.
Speaker 1: Fair exactly, And like I said, just you know, shifting
Speaker 1: it from him and what he said to the issue itself,
Speaker 1: which is clearly a strong one for Democrats, as evidenced
Speaker 1: by Donald Trump himself sort of freaking out about it.
Speaker 1: I think it's probably the best way that you that
Speaker 1: you talk about.
Speaker 7: That, Vice President Harris, you were a very strong.
Speaker 1: I also just wanted to mention, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you noticed Kamla's face like looking at him while he's speaking,
Speaker 1: but she loves this guy, because she clearly has a
Speaker 1: lot of affection for him. It's very clear it's like
Speaker 1: a proud mom looking at him while he's talking.
Speaker 4: Defender of President Biden's capacity to serve another four years.
Speaker 4: Right after the debate, you insisted that President Biden is
Speaker 4: extraordinarily strong given where we are now, Do you have
Speaker 4: any regrets about what you told the American people?
Speaker 5: No, not at all, not at all. I have.
Speaker 6: Served with President Biden for almost four years now, and
Speaker 6: I'll tell you it's one of the greatest honors of
Speaker 6: my career.
Speaker 5: Truly.
Speaker 6: He cares so deeply about the American people. He is
Speaker 6: so smart and loyal to the American people, and I
Speaker 6: have spent hours upon hours with him, being in the
Speaker 6: Oval office or the situation room. He has the intelligence,
Speaker 6: the commitment, and the judgment and disposition that I think
Speaker 6: the American people rightly deserve in their president. By contrast,
Speaker 6: the former president has none of that. And so one,
Speaker 6: I am so proud to have served as vice president
Speaker 6: to Joe Biden. And two, I'm so proud to be
Speaker 6: running with Tim Walls for President of the United States
Speaker 6: and to bring America what I believe the American people deserve,
Speaker 6: which is a new way forward and turn the page
Speaker 6: on the last decade of what I believe has been
Speaker 6: contrary to where the spirit.
Speaker 5: Of our country really lies.
Speaker 1: But the last so she pivots there from you know,
Speaker 1: do you love Joe Biden? Yes, I love Joe Biden too,
Speaker 1: But let's talk about Donald Trump. You know, let's let
Speaker 1: me let me get off this whole Joe Biden situation
Speaker 1: as quick as I can and talk about this guy
Speaker 1: that we're growing up against.
Speaker 2: Now, that's how the whole country feels. So it's kind
Speaker 2: of an easy one.
Speaker 1: That's what she's betting on too, is you know, it's
Speaker 1: kind of one of her strengths has been the not
Speaker 1: going back frame of the campaign, which I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people do relate to. Of like, even though
Speaker 1: she's the sitting vice president, she feels like turning a page.
Speaker 1: As she said, she feels like she's kind of the
Speaker 1: change candidate, even though in a lot of ways she
Speaker 1: is reflective of, you know, continuing the status quo of
Speaker 1: the Biden administration, and so she benefits from being in
Speaker 1: the vice president in the vice presidential office and people
Speaker 1: being able to envision her in that role, but also
Speaker 1: feeling like just because frankly, of her identity and her
Speaker 1: relative youth, etcetera feeling like she is a turning of
Speaker 1: the page to a different era.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think the polling shows people don't dislike Biden as
Speaker 2: a person. Maybe they should, but they don't. They just
Speaker 2: didn't want him to run for re election.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the most popular thing he's done as president. I'll say,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, okay, we kind of like you now,
Speaker 1: that's fine.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Republicans really wanted this to be because, I mean,
Speaker 1: it is a scandal that who knew the level of
Speaker 1: his decline, Like what was going on behind the scenes
Speaker 1: that you all were covering up. It is a genuine scandal,
Speaker 1: And people Republicans really wanted this to be a problem
Speaker 1: for her, And people are just so relieved to not
Speaker 1: have Biden on the ticket that and there's such overwhelming
Speaker 1: support for him making that move that I just it
Speaker 1: has not landed as a political attack whatsoever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because by virtue of the scandal that it was
Speaker 2: scandal was that he was trying to run for reelection.
Speaker 2: By not running for reelection, the scandal goes away.
Speaker 1: True. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4: This decade, of course, the last three and a half
Speaker 4: years has been part of your administration.
Speaker 6: I'm talking about an era that started about a decade
Speaker 6: ago where.
Speaker 5: There is some suggestion warped.
Speaker 6: I believe it to be that the measure of the
Speaker 6: strength of a leader is based on who you beat
Speaker 6: down instead of where I believe most Americans are, which
Speaker 6: is to believe that the true measure of the strength
Speaker 6: of a leader is based on who you lift up.
Speaker 6: That's what said stake as much as any other detail
Speaker 6: that we could discuss in this election.
Speaker 7: Because we haven't had a chance to talk. I'm just curious.
Speaker 4: Staying on President Biden, when he called you and said
Speaker 4: he was pulling out of the race, what was that
Speaker 4: like And did he offer to endorse you right away
Speaker 4: or did you ask for it?
Speaker 1: Hard heading question there, Ryan right, It's like this is
Speaker 1: related a Steel herself for this one.
Speaker 2: This is when you really are starting to sympathize with
Speaker 2: the conservative criticism of outlets like CNN, where are like, seriously, like,
Speaker 2: if you're Vanity Fair and you're doing like a magazine profile,
Speaker 2: this is interesting stuff and then you can write some
Speaker 2: flowery narrative around it for a sit down interview that
Speaker 2: with the presidential candidate hasn't given an interview yet. You
Speaker 2: got to use your time to hit them on policy.
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing too. You know, having done these interviews,
Speaker 1: you and I both with presidential candidates or other type
Speaker 1: of candidates, you know, you are very aware. I've got
Speaker 1: a clock ticking from the moment we say go until
Speaker 1: the moment is over, and I have to be very
Speaker 1: strategic about what I get in and what is most consequential,
Speaker 1: and you know, and try to either I'm going to
Speaker 1: really drill in on a couple of issues, or I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have a wide ranging conversation hit on as many
Speaker 1: possible things as I can. I think that's probably the
Speaker 1: approach I would take here, just because she hasn't given
Speaker 1: it in so we don't have her on the record,
Speaker 1: So I would try to get her on the record
Speaker 1: on as many issues as you possibly could. So to
Speaker 1: spend and you know, there's five minutes left in this interview.
Speaker 1: Five minutes you can get a lot accomplished, and all
Speaker 1: of it is just dedicated. You're about to hear Takamala
Speaker 1: talking about like cooking pancakes and her adorable, admittedly adorable
Speaker 1: baby nieces wanting more bacon and whatever. When Joe Biden
Speaker 1: calls it was.
Speaker 5: It was a Sunday. So here, I'll give you a
Speaker 5: little too much information.
Speaker 7: Go for it. There's no such things a vice president.
Speaker 6: My family was staying with us and including my baby nieces,
Speaker 6: and we had just had pancakes and you know, Auntie,
Speaker 6: can I have more bacon?
Speaker 5: Yes, I'll make you more bacon. And then we were
Speaker 5: gonna sit We were sitting down to do a puzzle.
Speaker 6: And the phone rang and it was Joe Biden and
Speaker 6: he told me what he decided to do. And I
Speaker 6: asked him, are you sure? And he said yes, And
Speaker 6: that's how I learned about it.
Speaker 7: About the endorsement. Did you ask for it?
Speaker 5: He was very clear that he was going to support me.
Speaker 4: So when he called to tell you, he said, I'm
Speaker 4: pulling out of the race and I'm going.
Speaker 7: To support you.
Speaker 6: Well, my first thought was not about me, to be
Speaker 6: honest with you, My first thought was about him, To
Speaker 6: be honest, I think history is going to show a
Speaker 6: number of things about Joe Biden's presidency. I think history
Speaker 6: is going to show that in so many ways it
Speaker 6: was transformative. Be it on what we have accomplished around
Speaker 6: finally investing in America's infrastructure, investing in new economies in
Speaker 6: new industries.
Speaker 5: What we have done to bring.
Speaker 6: Our allies back together and have confidence in who we
Speaker 6: are as America and grow that alliance. What we have
Speaker 6: done to stand true to our principles, including the one
Speaker 6: of the most important international rules and norms, which is
Speaker 6: the importance of sovereignty and territorial integrity. And I think
Speaker 6: history is going to show not only has Joe Biden
Speaker 6: led an administration that has achieved those extraordinary successes, but
Speaker 6: the character of the man is one that he has
Speaker 6: been in his life and career, including as a president,
Speaker 6: quite selfless and puts American people first.
Speaker 4: I just have to ask you both about two standout moments, aside,
Speaker 4: of course, from the addresses that you both gave, but
Speaker 4: stand out moments that were perhaps unexpected during the convention.
Speaker 4: You mentioned one of them, Governor, a moment that you
Speaker 4: shared that the world shared with your son Gus.
Speaker 7: You were speaking, the camera caught.
Speaker 1: Him to another incredible softball. I did think they talked
Speaker 1: about pancakes and bacon for the last five minutes, but
Speaker 1: apparently they also you know, let Tim Wallace talk about
Speaker 1: when she loves his family too. And I mean this
Speaker 1: is look the Kamala moment. There is charming. She's charming
Speaker 1: in that moment. It's like an in kind contribution, though, like,
Speaker 1: that's not your job. Your goal and your job and
Speaker 1: these interviews isn't like to make people feel warm fuzzies
Speaker 1: and do basically campaign ad for them. It's supposed to
Speaker 1: be to hold power to account.
Speaker 2: Is there any chance that her first thought was about him?
Speaker 3: Any chance on her?
Speaker 2: Any chance whatsoever. There's a scene in Beep where Selena
Speaker 2: Meyer gets the call that the president is not running
Speaker 2: for re election. Instead, she's gonna run. That's that's how
Speaker 2: that one went down.
Speaker 1: See, I never watched I watched like maybe two episodes
Speaker 1: of Deep, so I'm not familiar.
Speaker 3: You're not prepared for this administration.
Speaker 1: I guess I got to watch it. Put that on
Speaker 1: the list for me and Guyle because I don't think
Speaker 1: he's watched it. I'm not sure. Maybe he has.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's it's an absolutely, it's a documentary that's.
Speaker 1: Scary, scary. All right, let's finish this up.
Speaker 4: So incredibly proud of you, so emotional saying that's my dad.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't know as a father, I could have
Speaker 8: ever imagined that I'm grateful for so many reasons to
Speaker 8: be on this ticket, but that moment to understand what
Speaker 8: was really important to have my son feel a sense
Speaker 8: of pride in me that I was trying to do
Speaker 8: the right thing, and it was you you try and
Speaker 8: protect your kids.
Speaker 4: You don't.
Speaker 8: It brings, it brings notoriety and things. But it was
Speaker 8: just such a visceral emotional moment that I'm just I'm
Speaker 8: grateful I got to experience it, and I'm so proud
Speaker 8: of him. I'm proud of him. I'm proud of all.
Speaker 1: Breaking walls what it was. It was like Wall's grateful
Speaker 1: for visceral emotional moment with son at Dancys and breaking
Speaker 1: us there.
Speaker 5: Ryan.
Speaker 2: I mean, it is true that it is very rare
Speaker 2: that children, let alone take pride in their parents, but
Speaker 2: even look at them as human beings.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I have.
Speaker 2: No doubt that was an authentically like infigurating and experience
Speaker 2: that he'll remember the rest of his life, no doubt
Speaker 2: about it. What does that have to do with anything,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, to experience it, and I'm I'm so
Speaker 1: proud of him.
Speaker 8: I'm proud of him. I'm proud of hope. I'm prodiguin.
Speaker 8: She's a wonderful mother, and these are great kids. And
Speaker 8: I think the one thing he is talking about the
Speaker 8: era we're in is our polittive can be better, it
Speaker 8: can be different, We can we can show some of
Speaker 8: these things, and we can have families involved in this.
Speaker 8: And I hope that there was a hope people felt
Speaker 8: that out there, and I hope they hug their kids
Speaker 8: a little tighter because you just never know and life
Speaker 8: can be kind of hard.
Speaker 1: How good is he though, to immediately pivot from that
Speaker 1: to like hit one of his core themes of you know,
Speaker 1: we can get back to the Thanksgiving dinner table where
Speaker 1: we don't all like hate each other and dredd it
Speaker 1: and whatever.
Speaker 2: Pretty masterful politician.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he really is. I would I'd be happy to
Speaker 1: just skip the Kamala harris aera and go start with
Speaker 1: the Tim Walls hair personally. Last question, have very true,
Speaker 1: very possible.
Speaker 4: Amouna vice president. The photograph that has gone viral, you
Speaker 4: were speaking. One of your grand nieces that you were
Speaker 4: just talking about was watching you accept the nomination. You
Speaker 4: didn't explicitly talk about gender or race in your speech,
Speaker 4: but obviously means a lot to a lot of people,
Speaker 4: and that viral picture really says it.
Speaker 7: What does it mean to you?
Speaker 6: You know, I listen, I am running because I believe
Speaker 6: that I am the best person to do this job
Speaker 6: at this moment for all Americans, regardless of race and gender.
Speaker 6: But I did see that photograph and I was deeply
Speaker 6: touched by it. And you're right, she's it's the back
Speaker 6: of her head, her tool braids, and and then I'm
Speaker 6: in the front of the photograph obviously speaking and it's
Speaker 6: very humble, very humblam.
Speaker 7: Anyways, did she talking about it afterwards?
Speaker 6: Oh, she had a lot to talk about.
Speaker 5: She listened to everything, and she listens to every.
Speaker 7: Get of your hot takee oh yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4: Man of Vice President, Governor Wells, thank you so much
Speaker 4: for your time.
Speaker 1: So there you go. But that last answer very emblematic
Speaker 1: of how she has. She's really adopted more of an
Speaker 1: Obama approach to the quote unquote historic nature of her candidacy.
Speaker 1: She lets it speak for herself. She really wants to
Speaker 1: give comfort to everyone that listen, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: talk about like all this black stuff. I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: going to be a president for everybody. And if it
Speaker 1: means something to you, that's great, but that's not what
Speaker 1: I'm That's not the reason I'm here. And I think
Speaker 1: that's sad that that's what she has to do. But
Speaker 1: I think it's the right approach. I mean. But on
Speaker 1: the other hand, like, obviously, representation matters and it does
Speaker 1: speak for itself, but more important is Okay, what are
Speaker 1: you going to do on Roe versus way that is
Speaker 1: going to be much more impactful to all women versus
Speaker 1: you know, you yourself Kamala Harris transcending to this position of power.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, again, if you're a conservative watching that,
Speaker 2: you're like.
Speaker 3: How is this a how? How is this a Is
Speaker 3: this a journalist?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: What's going on here?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And it's fine, Like it is a cool picture.
Speaker 2: And for the public to end Democrats in particular to
Speaker 2: like love the picture, that's great.
Speaker 3: But for the.
Speaker 2: Media like to take the opportunity of this interview to
Speaker 2: just elevate that and give her an opportunity to sell
Speaker 2: it more, it's just I mean, Cana's gonna do what
Speaker 2: it's gonna do.
Speaker 1: But you know, yeah, they can't.
Speaker 2: They can't complain then when people see them as Democratic
Speaker 2: Party apparatriics.
Speaker 1: That's it's that's exactly right overall, t LDR. What what
Speaker 1: grade do you give her? Do you think this is
Speaker 1: going to be consequential in any way? Are there any
Speaker 1: moments from this that sort of survived the weekend?
Speaker 3: She she did fine enough.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, it was much better than her
Speaker 2: previous interviews. It was it was pretty easy interview, Like
Speaker 2: there were no really tough questions. The only reason that
Speaker 2: questions were tough is because there were some obvious ones,
Speaker 2: like you used to say the complete opposite of what
Speaker 2: you say now, why right? Like, but you know, she
Speaker 2: didn't do the word salad that she's famous for for
Speaker 2: the most part, And so I think, like, like we
Speaker 2: were saying earlier, unlike Obama, who people really vested all
Speaker 2: of their hopes and dreams into and were willing to
Speaker 2: let them lead them wherever, That's not how people feel
Speaker 2: about Harris. They just want her to not fall over,
Speaker 2: and they will, like the crowd will like carry her
Speaker 2: on their shoulders across.
Speaker 3: The finish line.
Speaker 2: They're like, just just be alive, just be better than Biden.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she's doing that.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's also the case that the bar has been it
Speaker 1: is fair to say the bar has been said exceptionally
Speaker 1: low because of Biden, but also because all we've really
Speaker 1: seen of her for the Biden administration has been like
Speaker 1: whatever words ouid clip have been cut and shared viraly.
Speaker 1: And so there's a caricature of her number one and
Speaker 1: number two that forgets some of the moments where she
Speaker 1: has been strong and capable, and she's obviously you know,
Speaker 1: she's I think she also has an added confidence and
Speaker 1: swagger in this moment she didn't previously have. And I
Speaker 1: also think she probably grew on the job as vice president.
Speaker 1: You know, even though we weren't seeing everything she was doing,
Speaker 1: she was doing some stuff and having to get reps
Speaker 1: in and hone some of her skills and get better.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think she I think Republicans will be
Speaker 1: disappointed that she isn't actually the caricature that they had
Speaker 1: in their mind where she's just totally incapable of answering
Speaker 1: any question without a script right in front of her
Speaker 1: or someone holding her hand, et cetera.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that she had a month to prepare
Speaker 2: for it. Yeah, and so she did some prep. There
Speaker 2: was the previously the concern among her departed staff was
Speaker 2: that she refused to prepare for interviews and flubbed you know,
Speaker 2: easy questions questions. Yeah, she did that at the start
Speaker 2: of this one, the day one, but was prepared for
Speaker 2: other ones. And so yeah, it's like she should do
Speaker 2: more of these and not make it like a national event.
Speaker 1: We have to do an hour and twenty minute response
Speaker 1: parsing every single answer, because this is all we have.
Speaker 1: This is all we have at this point of you know,
Speaker 1: what she's given us in terms of interview sit down.
Speaker 1: Do you think that this you know, what do you
Speaker 1: think is the next time? Do you think now she'll
Speaker 1: feel like, Okay, maybe I can do a few of
Speaker 1: these and I can survive it. Or do you think
Speaker 1: she'll feel like, all right, check to that box. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to have to do another one of these
Speaker 1: for another month and a half.
Speaker 2: Maybe she'll do one a little sooner, yeah, or maybe
Speaker 2: she'll maybe she'll just punt like because what they did,
Speaker 2: they punted it to the end of the month, and
Speaker 2: then they did it right before Labor Day, so they'll
Speaker 2: skip Labor Day week next week, then they'll be under
Speaker 2: then then they got the debate like so that that'll
Speaker 2: buy them some time. Sure, maybe not until a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks after the debate, and then there's the Walls debate,
Speaker 2: so you know, they.
Speaker 3: Might punt it. They'll punt it for as long as
Speaker 3: the media in the public lets them get away with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I actually think the media and the public
Speaker 1: are pretty much gonna let her get away with it.
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I don't I don't see
Speaker 1: that there was like a huge real back I you know,
Speaker 1: think she probably could have. They felt pressure and the
Speaker 1: media was getting, you know, pissier and testier. There's the
Speaker 1: other danger with this is they stop liking you and
Speaker 1: they start being more aggressive with.
Speaker 3: You, start doing tougher stories.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, So I think they were starting to feel
Speaker 1: some of that build. But I have a I have
Speaker 1: a feeling that you're right, that she's going to feel
Speaker 1: like I checked the box. I don't have to do
Speaker 1: this again for a while.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: So enjoy it, guys, All right, Ryan, thanks for doing
Speaker 1: this with me this morning. Enjoy Yeah, enjoy the long weekend, guys,
Speaker 1: Enjoy Labor Day, and we will see you back for
Speaker 1: a full breaking point show.
Speaker 3: Got the Friday Show? Actually, Oh that's right. Yeah, later today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys had a rf K junior well RFK
Speaker 1: junior debate. That was Michael Tracy and then a field
Speaker 1: staff who.
Speaker 2: Was a national previous national field director for RFK kind
Speaker 2: of defending his decision to endorse Trump.
Speaker 1: I haven't checked that one out yet, so I'm like
Speaker 1: Forwared of saying that I know Michael Tracy has been
Speaker 1: going hard on the paint as he is as he
Speaker 1: is wont to do so. All right, y'all enjoy that,
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