WEBVTT - 8/30/24: Breakdown: CNN's First Interview With Kamala 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:05.359 Hey guys, So the much anticipated Kamala Harris plus Timwall's 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:07.760 interview on CNN happened last night, So we thought we'd 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:11.520 do a whole like streamer style breakdown and react to 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:14.840 the entire interview. Ryan, of course here with me Hi Ryan, 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:15.960 good morning, how you doing. 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:19.960 You can tell that they waited way too long to 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:21.640 do an interview by the fact that, like The New 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:25.880 York Times last night had a live blog about we 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:29.640 are reacting to it. Yeah, in real time. Trump did 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:35.080 like three interviews like during her interview and like whatever. 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:38.880 Yeah, but they were with like who were they with? Random? Yeah, 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:41.319 he's into this the podcast world. I know he's doing 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:43.400 an interview with Lex Friedman. That'll be kind of interesting. 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:45.879 And there was one that he did with this Florida 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:47.800 reporter who asked him, how are you going to vote 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:49.600 on the constitutional amendment on abortion? 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:54.400 That's right, yeaheah, the abortion stuff, I guess for abortion rights. 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:57.440 I mean that that ballot initiative, the pro choice side 0:00:57.480 --> 0:00:59.000 is now going to get like ninety percent of the 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:01.520 book because it was already about sixty percent, and what 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:03.520 it has to get sixty percent to pass, right? 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:05.840 Yeah? 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:09.160 Yeah, And so I think now with a Trump backing it. Man, 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:11.679 he threw those pro lifers right under the bus, didn't he. 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:14.120 And he's saying he's going to do IVF for all 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:16.640 as well. So I guess maybe the path ryan to 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:18.600 medicare for all is will just go body part by 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:22.680 body part, procedure by procedure and peacemeal it until we've 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:26.040 got entire coverage for you know, for the entire body. 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:28.840 So anyway, I'm sure we'll get covering all of that 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:30.920 next week. I actually want to set up I've been 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:34.080 trying for breaking points to set up a abortion debate. 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:37.520 Is Sager and I had this debate, but we're both 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:40.240 pro choice, So it'd be nice to have two people 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:43.080 who are actually pro life debating, you know, the Trump 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:46.600 campaign strategy and whether it's worth sacrificing the Yeah, like 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:50.840 Lila Rose isn't her name, who's been going very forcefully 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:52.640 on the pro life side, like this is outrageous. We 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:55.240 need to hold him to account it As lefties, I 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:57.880 feel a lot of compassion for their position because I 0:01:57.880 --> 0:01:59.720 feel like we're in the same spot with regard to 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:02.920 issues like Gaza and Palestine in there. Yeah, in any case, 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:05.160 so we'll get to the interview now, but before we do, Ryan, 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:07.040 you guys have a new story that you just broke 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:08.960 on drop site News, which you guys should all, by 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:11.680 the way, go and subscribe and support Ryan and Jeremy 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:13.400 over there because you're doing phenomenal work. So what do 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:13.799 you got? 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:18.960 Oh yeah, So last night we published this piece about Ecuador. 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:23.519 This time from two thousand and seven to twenty seventeen, 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:25.680 Ecuador had a social democratic government. 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:26.800 They were called the Quarta. 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:31.760 Yastas run by Rafael Korea. In twenty seventeen. It's very 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:35.919 complicated but at a US right wing turn. 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:42.000 It was a bit of a coup, bizarre situation. 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:46.760 But what we have and the next four or five 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:52.239 years were spent prosecuting Korea and his allies, and what 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:58.359 we have uncovered through a series of text messages that 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:03.000 the prosecutor general, like the Attorney General Diana Salazar, sent 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:06.800 to a judge and also to a member of Parliament 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:10.920 that we've obtained and reviewed, show that she was very 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:15.880 specifically targeting her prosecutions at the left and delaying prosecutions 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:17.959 of the right in order to hurt the left in 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:24.160 election campaigns with in coordination and in constant contact with 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:28.520 the US ambassador Wow in Ecuador. So a lot of 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:30.799 the times the US is not carrying out the kind 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:33.840 of old military coups that we're used to seeing from 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:36.120 the nineteen seventies and eighties, though we still, you know, 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:39.280 once in a while might dip back into that playbook. 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:41.360 But in general, it's more what they call law fair 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:46.560 and using the public's hostility towards all politicians. The public 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:49.280 is fed up with corruption, so then you have social 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:53.360 democratic reformers coming in and the way to combat them 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.160 is that it's just dropped charges of corruption on them, 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.440 and then the public's like, ah, they're all the same. 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:02.760 Says like what was done Lula in Brazil, for example. 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:05.400 Can't trust anybody exactly and then and then a strong 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:08.400 man comes in instead. It's exactly what they did with Lula, 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:10.920 threw him in jail for corruption until those were exposed 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:15.680 by Intercept Brazil Glenn Greenwald for being politically motivated, and 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:17.880 we partnered with Intercept Brazil on these. 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:19.159 On this story as well. 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:22.560 So fantastic new elections coming up at the beginning of 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:26.640 next year in Ecuador. So and already the story's you know, 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.040 picking up a lot of steam there, so we'll see. 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:31.599 So this is the sort of thing that was likely suspected, 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:34.640 both the targeting of the left but also the US involvement. 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:36.360 But you were able to actually get the goods. 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:38.680 Right exactly so people could check it out. 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:42.839 Like the last point on this, she was setting the 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:45.680 messages using an app called Confide, which is popular in 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:48.560 Latin America, which as soon as you read the message, 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:49.599 it disappears. 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:52.320 But what I was doing a deal. 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:56.160 He was filming as he would read her messages with 0:04:56.279 --> 0:05:00.560 a second phone, and so we were able to he 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:02.600 got a forensic analysis. 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:04.680 To prove that, like these are theologies is authentic. 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:05.200 Wow. 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:08.800 So we have like fifteen hundred videos of messages that 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:10.800 we had to look through and then translate. 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:12.120 Wow, that's unbelievable. 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:14.280 You can see the result over it drops on views 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:14.640 dot com. 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:16.599 I'm looking forward to checking that out. I'm also looking 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.320 forward to checking out your next exchange with Matthew Miller 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:20.960 or whoever. The State Department. 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:23.599 They haven't had a briefing in many weeks. 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:24.719 But have they really not? 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:27.680 Yeah? I think probably not even allowed, you. 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:29.800 Know, I mean that anyway. 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:32.440 They need it. They need a vacation from their hypocrisy, 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:33.480 just like they. 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:36.360 Can't take it either. Okay, all right, let's go ahead 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:39.920 and get to comrade Kamala here, Coconut Kamala and her 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:42.000 very first inn This is it is kind of a 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:46.760 stunt first interview post Biden dropout, which happened back on 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:49.440 what July twenty first, So we're like, you know, a 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:52.720 month and a week post Biden drop out, and we're 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:55.680 finally getting her first interview of very strategically time before 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:58.440 the Labor Day weekend. I might add, let me go 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:00.720 ahead and pull this up and we can just start 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:02.560 playing it and react. 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:07.240 Here we go Part one. All right, here it is 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:09.680 President Governor. Well, thank you so much for sitting down 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:12.240 with me and bringing the bus. Bus Star is well 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:16.160 underway here in Georgia. You have less time to make 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:19.679 your case to voters than any candidate in modern American history. 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:22.400 The voters are really eager to hear what your plans 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:24.640 are if you are elected. What would you do on 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:25.920 day one in the White House. 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:28.640 Well, there are a number of things I will tell you. 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:32.240 First and foremost, one of my highest priorities is to 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.200 do what we can to support and strengthen the middle class. 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:40.120 When I look at the aspirations, the goals, the ambitions 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:43.800 of the American people. I think that people are ready 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:47.640 for a new way forward in a way that generations 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:51.160 of Americans have been fueled by hope and by optimism. 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:56.480 I think, sadly, in the last decade we have had 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:59.839 in the former president someone who has really been pushing 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:05.000 an agenda and an environment that is about diminishing the 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:08.279 character and the strength of who we are as Americans, 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:11.160 really dividing our nation. And I think people are ready 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:12.000 to turn the page on that. 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:12.920 So what would you do? Day one? 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:16.600 So out of the gate, it's a very I mean, 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.320 the most obvious question was your day one agenda? Very 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:22.280 vague initial answer here, Ryan, how do you. 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:25.520 Get blindsided by the question what do you plan to 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:26.400 do as president? 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:30.160 It reminds me someone who I mean, I'm sure she's 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:32.200 wanted to be president for quite a lot of years now, 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:32.520 you know. 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:35.600 It reminded me a lot of Ted. 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:37.440 You remember Ted Kennedy's and I'm just going to pull 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:39.960 it up, but we people can just google it. Ted 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:43.680 Kennedy's nineteen eighty answer to a similar question like why 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:45.000 do you want to run for president? 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:47.720 No, I do not remember that, Ryan, but I'm sure 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:48.000 you do. 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:52.239 Ted Kennedy himself had been he contemplated running for president 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:56.040 in nineteen sixty eight, So this is twelve years you 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:59.880 know after he started at least very publicly thinking he 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:01.960 was probably thinking about running for president when he was 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:02.640 five years old. 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:05.559 Right, yeah, you're a Kennedy, You're raised nineteen eighty. 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:08.960 He's asked this question and he flobbed it way worse 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:12.640 than Harris. Yeah, but he's like, the country has a 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:19.440 lot of natural resources, and it's it's like just people 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:22.520 can just people can YouTube like the interview that blindsided 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:24.760 the Ted to Kennedy presidential campaign, and they can watch 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:28.120 it for themselves. At least she had an answer. But 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:31.559 I'm going to like support the middle class. It feels 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:34.120 like such a layup. You could say, all right, the 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:35.760 first thing I do when I get in there, I'm 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:37.280 going to send a bill to Congress. 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:38.240 That codifies Roebi Wade. 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:39.000 Yeah. 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:41.120 After that, I'm going to send a bill that cuts 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:43.320 taxes for the middle class, that expands the child tax 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:44.280 credit whatever. 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:46.120 Right, like things. 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:52.440 Yeah, right, specific things that indicate because when we've interviewed 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:56.319 presidential candidates, this is literally always our first question, because 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:57.920 it seems to me the you know, this is the 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:00.720 starting point, and it gets at not just what are 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:02.960 the laundry list of things that you plan? What is 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:06.120 your priority? Because we all know that you're not going 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:07.920 to be able to do all of the things that 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:11.120 you want to do, so what is the like flagship 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:14.040 priority day one? And we get you know, health, the 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:16.040 middle class and by the way, Trump is bad. Now 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:19.320 she goes on, let me pull this back up. Dana 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:21.560 actually presses her like okay, but like what does that 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:23.920 actually mean? And then she goes into some of the 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:27.439 specifics that she laid out in a recent economic policy speech. 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:28.840 Let's go ahead and listen to that. But you can 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:32.040 kind of tell she's just like, yes, for whatever reason, 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:34.480 was not had not really thought of what her day 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:36.920 one priority would actually be. So now she's just reaching 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:39.920 into the bag of policies she recently talked about Day one. 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:41.960 It's going to be about one implementing my plan for 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:44.400 what I call an opportunity economy. I've already laid out 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.160 a number of proposals in that regard, which include what 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:48.840 we're going to do to bring down on the cost 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:50.480 of everyday goods, what we're going to do to invest 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:52.480 in America's small businesses, what we're going to do to 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:56.320 invest in families, for example, extending the Chile tax credit 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:58.719 to six thousand dollars for families for the first year 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:01.000 of their child's life, to help them buy a car seat, 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:03.840 to help them buy baby clothes, a crib. There's the 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:05.920 work that we're going to do that is about investing 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:09.240 in the American family around affordable housing, a big issue 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:10.240 in our country right now. 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:12.160 So there are a number of things on day one. 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:17.160 So I guess, Brian, the positive if we're looking for 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:19.120 a silver lining, here is something you pointed out, which 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:22.720 is that you know, being an empty vessel is the 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:24.880 negative thing in terms of if you want someone who 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:27.440 has like these core commitments, or like you're Bernie Sanders, 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:29.520 you're going to fight for Medicare for all, we all 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:31.720 know you're going to do it, or even you know 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:34.920 Barack Obama, we knew healthcare was going to be a 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:39.079 major focus for him as well. The plus side is 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:41.760 that this allows you an opportunity as a public to 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:45.120 pressure her into what you want to see happen. On 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:47.920 day one, and you made a point that I thought 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:50.800 was interesting that there's almost like, in some ways a 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:53.640 healthier relationship to Kamala Harris because there isn't this cult 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.280 of personality. It's just like, all right, this she'll do, 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:58.920 and we've got an agenda that we're interested in, and 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:02.000 maybe she'll be willing, especially with the addition of Tim 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:03.760 Walls here, to get some pieces of it through. 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:05.079 Right. 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:08.800 There is nobody on the Democratic side who thinks that 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:12.360 they can just sit back and let Kamala Harris lead 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:16.200 them to the promised land like zero people, Whereas that 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:20.400 was an overwhelming feeling among Democrats when it came to 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:22.520 Barack Obama, oh yeah, and then they were all let 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:25.559 down as a result of that. Kamala Harrison is not 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:32.679 going to let anybody down. So it requires exactly the 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:38.160 public to be involved and push her and say, okay, 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:40.200 you know what, you don't really have any ideas for 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:41.640 what you're going to do on day one, but we do, 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:44.320 and here's how we're going to organize and pressure you 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:45.079 to do those things. 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:45.319 Well. 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:47.560 It's also why the choice of Tim Walls ends up 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:51.760 being really important, because she can just okay, just do 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:54.480 his agenda, you know, like he had a plan and 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:56.760 he did a thing and didn't just talk about it 0:11:57.160 --> 0:11:59.000 but actually was like, no, I'm going to figure out 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:01.800 how to get these things through, so just just do that. 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:05.280 And that's part of why he felt so consequential, I 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:07.400 think to a lot of us when he was chosen, 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:10.120 because he didn't just come with you know, as a 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:12.240 as a person and he's a talented politician and a 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:14.640 great background in class diversity and a union member and 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:17.640 all of those things. But he has a plan, had 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:20.000 an agenda and got it through. So she can just 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:23.240 sort of grab that, or she could grab the which 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:25.560 there's a lot of overlap here, the pieces of build 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:28.440 back better that you know that Bernie was pushing that 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:31.800 never got pushed through. So that's the that's the hope 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:34.200 and the aspiration is that that's the thing that's sort 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:36.439 of floating out there in the ether that Kamala Harris, 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:38.480 who clearly doesn't really have any thoughts of plans of 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:40.840 her own, that she can just pick up on there. 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:44.680 But you well, I'm excited about this agenda too, as 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:47.120 I said, the idea of inspiring America to what can be. 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:48.400 And I think many of these things that the Vice 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:50.880 president's proposing are are things that we share in values 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:52.680 in the child texturet is when we know that reduces 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:54.600 childhood property by a third. We did it in Minnesota. 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:57.480 To have a federal partner in this unbelievable, I think, 0:12:57.520 --> 0:12:58.559 in the impact that we can make. 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:01.920 Yeah, and there's them Walls, you know, coming in to say, hey, 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:02.560 we did this. 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:04.920 By the way, here's it. He's like, here's an actual. 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:08.280 Policy, right right, right. There was a lot made by 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:11.080 the right of Tim Walls being part of this interview, 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:13.400 which you know, I mean, on the one hand, I 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:16.559 understand because she hasn't done a solo interview. On the 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:18.720 other hand, of course, it is you know, traditional, I 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:22.160 guess after the conventions to do a joint interview. The 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:24.960 other thing that there's some irony to it to me, 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:29.040 because some segments of the right have thoroughly convinced themselves 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:31.800 that Tim Walls was a horrific best vice presidential pick. 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:33.719 There was all kinds of like, oh, he's going to 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:36.360 have to drop out any day now. Meanwhile, he has 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:39.719 the most the highest favorability rating of anyone you know, 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:43.640 of the four presidential and vice presidential candidates by far, 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:46.920 and so they kind of flipped on a dime from 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:48.920 He's such a catastrophe he's going to have to drop 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:52.280 out to He's such a tremendous asset that she can't 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:54.640 even do an interview without having him by her side. 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:56.600 Right, it can't be both things. 0:13:56.960 --> 0:14:00.280 But I think, yeah, she made this is a a 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:02.760 problem of her own making. It doesn't look weird to 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:05.520 have them both together if she's also doing. 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:06.400 Lots of other interviews. 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:09.120 Right, Yeah, she hasn't done an interview practically since like 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:10.320 that Lester Holt, the bacle. 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:13.079 So yeah, that's true, that's true. All right, let's see 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:13.880 where we go from here. 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:18.959 Talked about you call it the opportunity economy. Are well 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:22.000 aware that right now many Americans are struggling. There's a 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:25.560 crisis of affordability. One of your campaign themes is We're 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:27.600 not going back. But I wonder what you say to 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:29.960 voters who do want to go back when it comes 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:34.200 to the economy, specifically because their groceries were less expensive, 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:36.680 housing was more affordable when Donald Trump was president. 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:40.080 Well, let's start with the fact that when Joe Biden 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:43.280 and I came in office during the height of a pandemic, 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:48.120 we saw over ten million jobs were lost. People I 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:51.400 mean literally, we were all tracking the numbers. Hundreds people 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:54.200 a day were dying because of COVID. The economy had 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:57.200 crashed in large part all of that because of mismanagement 0:14:57.240 --> 0:14:58.880 by Donald Trump of that crisis. 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:00.080 When we came in. 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:02.240 Our highest priority was to do what we could to 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:05.800 rescue America. And today we know that we have inflation 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:08.080 at under three percent. A lot of our policies have 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:11.040 led to the reality that America recovered faster than any 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:14.440 wealthy nation around the world. But you are right, prices, 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:16.560 in particular for groceries, are still too high. The American 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:18.360 people know what I know it, which is why my 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:20.120 agenda includes what we need to do to bring down 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:22.040 the price of groceries, for example, dealing with an issue 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:24.160 like price gouging. What we need to do to extend 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:26.760 the child tax credit to help young families be able 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:29.360 to take care of their children in their most formative years. 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:31.000 What we need to do to bring down the cost 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:34.440 of housing. My proposal includes what would be a tax 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:36.840 credit of twenty five thousand dollars for first time home 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:39.480 buyers so they can just have enough to put a 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:41.680 down payment on a home, which is part of the 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:44.360 American dream and their aspiration, but do it in a 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:46.600 way that allows them to actually get on the path 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:48.320 to achieving that goal in that dream. 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:50.000 So you have been vice president for three and a 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:53.320 half years. The steps that you're talking about, now, why 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:54.280 haven't you done them already? 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.280 Well, first of all, we had to recover as an economy, 0:15:57.280 --> 0:15:58.800 and we have done that. I'm very proud of the 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:00.640 work that we have done that has brought inflation down 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:02.480 to less than three percent, the work that we have 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:04.320 done to cap the cost of insulin at thirty five 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:06.280 dollars a month for seniors. Donald Trump said he was 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:08.200 going to do a number of things, including allowing Medicare 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:09.320 to negotiate drug prices. 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:11.160 Never happened. We did it so. 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:13.200 Now and as I travel in the state of Georgia 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:15.480 and around our country, the number of seniors that have 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:19.160 benefited I've met. I was in Nevada recently, a grandmother. 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.480 She showed me her receipts and before we capped the 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:24.360 cost of INCEALLAUINCE for seniors at thirty five dollars a month, 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:26.600 she was playing hundreds of dollars up to thousands of 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:28.760 dollars a month for her insulin. She's not doing that, 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:30.240 and he maintained bionomics. 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:35.240 So that part where you know, what the answer to 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:37.840 what do you say to people who actually are like, no, actually, 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:39.520 I do want to go back to the economy under 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:42.280 Donald Trump. The answer she gave there could have subded 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:45.040 in nicely for the Day one answer. This one she 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:48.600 was clearly she was prepared for, right, She had gone 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:50.920 over whatever they wanted to say here, and I thought 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:54.000 she handled that quite well. In the same respect, it 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:57.040 shows you, you know, she's not like, like I said, 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:59.200 that answer could have been great for the Day one answer. 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:02.080 She's not ni enough on her feet too. If it 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:04.760 wasn't specifically in the briefing book for the answer to 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:06.920 that question, she's not able to like pull it over 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:09.600 in real time to insert it into the Day one question. 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:15.679 Right, Yeah, that was right exactly. So if she's if 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:19.240 she has prepared for an answer, she can deliver a 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:22.040 good answer. And I thought she'd delivered that one quite well, right, Yes, 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:24.600 And she has. She's had some debate moments where she 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:26.840 clearly had like prepped like I was the kid on 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:30.880 that bus or or whatever, and she hit those marks 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:32.879 quite well. So she can do that, and that is 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:35.679 your prosecutors are probably that's what you're trained to do, 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:37.639 like all right, here, here are the here's the evidence 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:39.280 we've got against this defendant. 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:40.440 Here's how we're going. 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:42.640 To lay it, lay it out, and you deliver it well, 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:47.160 thinking on her feet and which requires you to have 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:51.240 some ideas, you know, about exactly what you're going to do. 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:55.119 That's her challenge because she's kind of teaching for things. 0:17:55.359 --> 0:18:00.240 That's a great point because it's one thing to memory 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:03.840 the bullet points that someone else has given you. It 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:06.840 makes it much easier in these situations to be ex 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:11.600 temporaneous if you yourself have an agenda, a plan in mind, 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:15.600 core values, things you want to articulate. And you know, 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:17.840 I think that's that's always been the challenge for her. 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.359 The first debate back in twenty twenty, when she did 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:21.840 the whole that little girl was me and they, I mean, 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:24.199 now it's like curdled into being rather cringe, and they 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:26.640 immediately started selling like mugs and T shirts that kind 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:29.880 of forced it to become immediately cringe. She was fantastic 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:33.200 in that debate, and not just in that moment which 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:35.879 did land at the time, but throughout the debate. I 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:39.160 thought she was the best performer on stage. But part 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:42.679 of why is because she was fairly low in the 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:45.160 polls going into that, and she wasn't taking a lot 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:48.200 of incoming, so she was able to pick her spots 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:51.000 based on where she was prepared, and she was able 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:54.040 to occupy more of that sort of prosecutorial position of 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:56.720 I'm going to challenge you with these things that I've 0:18:56.760 --> 0:19:00.200 already prepared and already thought through. And that's when she's 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:02.280 at That's certainly when she's at her strongest and when 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:04.159 she feels her greatest comfort or you know. A lot 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:05.480 was made of the way she was in some of 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:08.440 the Senate confirmation hearings with what was it Brett Kavanaugh, 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:11.240 where she but people really liked how she performed a 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:14.200 similar deal right there. You prepare your statue and your staff, 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:16.520 you prepare, you know what your line and questioning is, 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:19.400 and you can go in. So but in any case, 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:20.960 that the one other thing I wanted to note about 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:23.680 this this answer before we keep playing it, is she 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:28.080 has a lot she She's been unburdened in a lot 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:31.320 of ways by the fact that people are unhappy with 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:34.400 the Biden economic legacy. They don't blame her for it. 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:37.119 It's amazing. Actually, she is now basically tying in some 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:40.840 instances succeeding Donald Trump in terms of who would be 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:43.320 best on the economy. And I think part of the 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:45.840 reason for that is Number one, I think just the 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:48.879 fact that she's younger and so there's more confidence she 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:51.959 could actually do some stuff, or at least communicate some stuff. 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:55.679 Number Two, she genuinely was sidelined in the Biden administration, 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:57.360 so people aren't wrong to be like, oh, this lady 0:19:57.440 --> 0:19:58.840 had nothing to do with any of this. I think 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:03.480 that's actually kind of accurate. And number three, she's able 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:07.000 to more comfortably make the commentary she just did, which 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:10.520 is like, listen, things were challenging, we did great work, 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:13.560 we got a lot done, but we know people are 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:15.800 in pain and there's a lot more that needs to 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:19.720 be done. That piece of being able to really empathize 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:21.520 with people and where they are right now, and especially 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:24.080 the concerns over pricing, is something that she is more 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:25.840 free to do than Joe Biden was. And of course 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:28.720 Joe Biden was not able really effectively to communicate about 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:32.360 anything at this point outside of like NATO and Aucus. 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:36.200 Oh and one quick thing on that, yeah, and our 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:39.280 Trump supporting viewers, and we love our Trump supporting viewers 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:42.159 are going to pick up on her thirty five dollars 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:42.760 insulin thing. 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:43.680 There. 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:46.840 There's become a meme that actually Trump did that, and 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:50.120 just the basic facts of this are Trump in mid 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:54.480 twenty twenty did an executive order that are basically encouraged 0:20:55.720 --> 0:21:00.439 pharmaceutical companies or who are dealing with medicare down to 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:03.280 thirty five dollars a month. It did lower prices for 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:08.000 you know, at least probably some millions of seniors on medicare. 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:11.119 Good for Trump for doing that executive order, two thumbs 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:14.119 up for him. Biden did it through the Inflation Reduction 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:17.120 Act and made it mandatory for everybody, not just yet, 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:20.399 not just some seniors who voluntarily got a benefit from it. 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:24.320 So that's the difference between what they're talking about here. 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:26.840 Do you want to assign her any Pinocchio's or. 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:28.400 The way she said it there? 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:29.080 It was accurate. 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:31.040 It was actually was totally accurate. 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:33.360 Yeah, And I just saw some polling I can't remember. 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:35.119 I think it was a like progressive polster but who 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:38.800 pulled all of her agenda items and lowering the cost 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:42.000 of prescription drugs and specifically insulin was like the number 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:44.160 one most popular thing. So no surprise that they. 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:46.080 Deserve credit for that. They took on big pharma like 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:47.120 they legitimately did. 0:21:47.280 --> 0:21:49.959 That's right, So no surprise that she that she emphasizes 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:50.640 that here. 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:51.120 Is a success. 0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:53.600 I maintain that when we do the work of bringing 0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:56.240 down prescription medication for the American people, including capping the 0:21:56.280 --> 0:21:58.800 cost of the annual cost of prescription medication for seniors 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:00.960 at two thousand dollars, when we do what we did 0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:03.439 in the first year of being in office to extend 0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:05.600 the child tax credit so that we cut child poverty 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:08.119 in America by over fifty percent, When we do what 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:10.600 we have done to invest in the American people in 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:13.159 bringing manufacturing back to the United States, so that we 0:22:13.200 --> 0:22:16.800 created over eight hundred thousand new manufacturing jobs, bringing business 0:22:16.840 --> 0:22:19.480 back to America, what we have done to improve the 0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:22.600 supply chain so we're not relying on foreign governments to 0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:25.600 supply American families with their basic needs. I'll say that 0:22:25.600 --> 0:22:28.200 that's good work. There's more to do, but that's good work. 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:30.640 I wond so, Ryan, before we go to the next question, 0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:33.480 any thoughts on that piece you get asked about, like well, 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:36.040 did you see you think the Bidenomics is good because 0:22:36.440 --> 0:22:39.040 you know, Bidenomics has become sort of a toxic brand 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:41.639 just because of how unpopular, frankly Joe Biden himself is. 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:43.960 Yeah, they rolled through that stuff again like that, that's 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:46.800 all great stuff. Now, the flip side of having cut 0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:49.280 child poverty in half is that when they let it expire, 0:22:49.760 --> 0:22:53.399 they doubled child poverty again. So you know, no credit 0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:56.800 for that. But yes, that that agenda that was enacted 0:22:56.800 --> 0:22:58.800 in twenty twenty one and into the twenty twenty two 0:22:59.280 --> 0:23:03.040 that was a old school Europeans social welfare state that 0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:06.000 I think the country would love to see, you know, 0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:06.960 brought back permanently. 0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:09.600 Yeah, and if you look at the approval rating actually 0:23:10.600 --> 0:23:13.480 of Joe Biden, he was at his most popular when 0:23:13.560 --> 0:23:17.439 he was doing that, you know, social democratic welfare state 0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:21.719 type of legislation, when people had we're benefiting from you know, 0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:26.560 COVID supports of a wide variety, including the child tax credit, 0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:29.639 and it's both when you know, a lot of the 0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:32.520 story of the Biden administration is those things being cut 0:23:33.000 --> 0:23:36.480 piece by piece by peace. You couple that with inflation 0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:40.639 and then another pivot point. Unfortunately, the Biden administration was 0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:42.640 when he did the right thing, which were from Afghanistan, 0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:44.920 his approval rating takes a massive hit because of the 0:23:45.000 --> 0:23:48.400 you know, overwhelming media onslaught and punishment, punishment of him 0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:51.600 for doing what American people have asked him, asked presidents 0:23:51.640 --> 0:23:54.479 to do now for years at this point, and then 0:23:54.720 --> 0:23:58.199 you know, his decline and inability to really defend himself 0:23:58.280 --> 0:24:00.560 or articulate what he's up to or what the agendas 0:24:00.680 --> 0:24:03.120 or why people should believe in it, and you lead 0:24:03.160 --> 0:24:06.440 to you know, the abysmal approval rating, a bysmal assessment 0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:09.680 of Bidenomics, etc. That we see today. 0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:11.760 I think it's some clarity on where you stand on 0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:16.239 some key policy issues. Energy is a big one. When 0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:18.600 you were in Congress, you supported the Green New Deal, 0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:21.560 and in twenty nineteen you said, quote, there's no question 0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:23.960 I'm in favor of banning fracking. Cracking, as you know, 0:24:24.200 --> 0:24:26.520 is a pretty big issue, particularly in your must win 0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:27.520 state of Pennsylvania. 0:24:27.840 --> 0:24:29.280 Do you still want to ban fracking? 0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:29.959 No? 0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:31.919 And I made that clear on the debate station in 0:24:31.920 --> 0:24:35.479 twenty twenty that I would not ban fracking. As vice president, 0:24:35.520 --> 0:24:38.719 I did not banfracking. As president, I will not banfracking. 0:24:39.440 --> 0:24:40.320 In twenty nineteen. 0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:42.840 I believe at a town hall you said you were asked, 0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:45.040 would you commit to implementing a federal ban I'm fracking 0:24:45.080 --> 0:24:46.800 on your first Dan office and you said, there's no question, 0:24:46.800 --> 0:24:49.399 I'm in favor of banning fracking. So yes, So it 0:24:49.480 --> 0:24:52.800 changed in that campaign in twenty twenty. I'm very clear 0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:53.320 where I stand. 0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:54.960 We are in twenty twenty four, and I've not changed 0:24:54.960 --> 0:24:56.359 that position or will I going forward. 0:24:56.480 --> 0:24:57.920 I kept my word and I will keep my word. 0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:02.160 What made you change that position at the time, Well, let's. 0:25:01.920 --> 0:25:03.639 Be clear, my values have not changed. 0:25:04.119 --> 0:25:06.640 I believe it is very important that we take seriously 0:25:06.720 --> 0:25:10.320 what we must do to guard against what is a 0:25:10.359 --> 0:25:13.720 clear crisis in terms of the climate. And to do that, 0:25:13.960 --> 0:25:16.080 we can do what we have accomplished thus far, the 0:25:16.160 --> 0:25:18.320 Inflation Reduction Act, what we have done to invest, by 0:25:18.320 --> 0:25:21.360 my calculation, over probably a trillion dollars over the next 0:25:21.400 --> 0:25:24.240 ten years, investing in a clean energy economy, what we've 0:25:24.280 --> 0:25:27.920 already done creating over three hundred thousand new clean energy jobs. 0:25:28.200 --> 0:25:30.920 That tells me, from my experience as vice president, we 0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:32.080 can do it without banning fracking. 0:25:32.080 --> 0:25:33.719 In fact, Dana Dan, excuse me. 0:25:34.560 --> 0:25:38.440 I cast the tie breaking vote that actually increased leases 0:25:38.440 --> 0:25:39.880 for cracking as vice president. 0:25:40.000 --> 0:25:41.480 So I'm very clear about where I stand. 0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:44.879 And was there some policy or scientific data that you 0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:46.199 saw that you said, oh, okay, I get it. 0:25:46.240 --> 0:25:46.400 Now. 0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:50.240 What I have seen is that we can we can grow, 0:25:50.280 --> 0:25:53.240 and we can increase a thriving clean energy economy without 0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:53.879 banning fracking. 0:25:54.880 --> 0:25:57.399 So there you go. That's part one. There's three parts 0:25:57.400 --> 0:25:59.680 here that we want to get through. But what do 0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:02.040 you make that fracking exchange? Try? It is free, slivery 0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:04.080 is very slivery. It's just tough. 0:26:04.119 --> 0:26:07.000 It's just tough because the honest answer is I was 0:26:07.080 --> 0:26:09.840 pandering to the Sunrise movement and the youth vote, trying 0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:12.720 to win the Democratic nomination for president in a period 0:26:12.760 --> 0:26:14.000 where the left was ascendant. 0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:14.520 Right. 0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:17.000 I failed at that, and now I'm doing a different 0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:17.720 political thing. 0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:18.520 Right. 0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:22.600 So the I think, if you're not going to. 0:26:22.560 --> 0:26:25.879 Be honest about it, like the best approach would be, 0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:27.879 I get you know, if you had to clearly, they 0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:29.920 workshop like, all right, how do we answer this and 0:26:30.040 --> 0:26:33.840 not sound like complete frauds to say, okay, look, at 0:26:33.840 --> 0:26:35.679 the time, I thought you needed to ban fracking in 0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:38.600 order to confront climate change. But now I think you 0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:41.720 can actually confront climate change without banning fracking. Now that's 0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:43.800 a lie. It's blah blah blah blah blah. But like, 0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:45.560 I guess that's the best you can come up with. 0:26:45.560 --> 0:26:47.639 I don't know how how if you were Kamala Harris 0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:50.960 without saying I was lying because I was pandering to 0:26:51.359 --> 0:26:53.119 youth voters, like would you? 0:26:53.600 --> 0:26:55.399 I mean, I guess you could frame pandering in a 0:26:55.440 --> 0:26:59.680 positive light of like, I'm responding to what voters what 0:26:59.840 --> 0:27:04.399 votvoters won, right, and at the time, voters were saying 0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:06.959 we want you to ban fragging. Sorry the dog is 0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:11.159 in here now she's moving everything. But U you know, 0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:14.320 so you could frame pandering as like being responsive to 0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:16.720 the world of voters. But no, I think that saying 0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:19.760 my values are the same, but you know, new information, 0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:22.560 I realize that we can now do this without banning bracking. 0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:24.399 I think probably is the best that you can do. 0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:26.280 And I mean it's fair to say that. 0:27:26.119 --> 0:27:29.560 There's would to win the election and that hasn't changed. 0:27:30.040 --> 0:27:35.680 True, true, I mean I think she could fairly claim that, like, 0:27:36.080 --> 0:27:39.680 you know, technological developments are changing what's possible blah blah blah, 0:27:39.720 --> 0:27:41.960 But the part that to me came off as the 0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:45.239 most weasley is when she said something like, you know, 0:27:46.160 --> 0:27:48.240 twenty twenty, I stood on the stage and said I 0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:50.800 would not ban fragging or something like that, and Dana 0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:53.119 meet It is like, yeah, but three minutes before that, 0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:55.560 you were saying the polar opposite, which is kind of 0:27:55.600 --> 0:27:58.679 the point here. So there's no real wiggling out of this. 0:27:58.840 --> 0:28:01.880 And she comes back because this is not the only 0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:03.639 position that she's changed. 0:28:03.880 --> 0:28:05.719 Yeah, she ran as Bernie in twenty nineteen. 0:28:06.000 --> 0:28:09.000 Yeah, for a while. And then also, you know, she 0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:11.560 starts off supporting Medicare for all because she thinks that's 0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:13.240 the thing. Then she gets Donor push back. Then she 0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:17.199 moved off of that even at the time. So so 0:28:17.320 --> 0:28:18.240 in any case, yeah, I. 0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:20.920 Think her argument was I flip flopped on this four years. 0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:23.840 Ago, right, Yeah, I have a long flip flopped on that. 0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:25.760 I moved off this a long time ago. W Are 0:28:25.760 --> 0:28:28.760 you still talking to me about it now? I think 0:28:28.800 --> 0:28:31.399 one other thing that I'll say is there is a 0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:35.320 lot of justified criticism of Kamala Harris just very clearly 0:28:35.440 --> 0:28:38.960 shifting her positions depending on what she thinks is advantageous. 0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:41.680 We were talking about Trump earlier on abortion, like he 0:28:41.720 --> 0:28:45.800 does the same thing, perhaps even more shamelessly because he 0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:48.400 is there a position on abortion that he hasn't held 0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:50.840 at this point, right, not yet, you know, from planned 0:28:50.840 --> 0:28:54.040 parenthood supporter to saying that he's so pro life that 0:28:54.040 --> 0:28:57.640 women should be criminally punished if they have an abortion, 0:28:57.920 --> 0:29:00.400 to now being you know, kind of going coming back 0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:02.880 to the pro choice side of things, Like he literally 0:29:02.920 --> 0:29:06.840 shape shifts even sometimes within the same conversation. But he's 0:29:06.880 --> 0:29:08.920 just much more difficult to kind of pin down on 0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:12.880 those things. So people people don't this isn't the line 0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:14.880 of attack that they take against Trump, that he's a 0:29:14.880 --> 0:29:17.200 flip flopper for whatever reason. I'm not really sure why 0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:19.280 that is. But they don't think that they would be 0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:22.000 able to really nail him with that charge, right. 0:29:22.360 --> 0:29:24.520 Right, right, Yeah, nobody thinks he has convictions. 0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:29.719 True. Yeah, they're not expected supports. Yeah, true. All right, 0:29:29.800 --> 0:29:35.520 let me pull up part two here, here we go. Okay, Oh, 0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:36.840 by the way, I just want to mention I have 0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:38.880 this on one point two five speed just to not 0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:42.480 you know, make people think that I'm manipulating the video 0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:44.280 or whatever, just to get through it a little bit quicker. 0:29:45.680 --> 0:29:48.440 As vice president, you were tasked with addressing the root 0:29:48.480 --> 0:29:53.080 causes of migration in southern countries, and not a part 0:29:53.080 --> 0:29:55.520 of Central America, the northern part of of of Central 0:29:55.520 --> 0:29:57.840 America that deals with that affects the southern border of 0:29:57.840 --> 0:30:01.200 the US. During that Biden Harris administry, there were record 0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:04.280 numbers of illegal border crossings. Why did the Biden Harris 0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:06.719 administration wait three and a half years to implement sweeping 0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:07.760 asylum restrictions. 0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:11.160 Well, first of all, the root causes work that I 0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:12.840 did as Vice president, that I was asked to do 0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:16.160 by the President has actually resulted in a number of benefits, 0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:20.360 including historic investments by American businesses in that region. The 0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:23.560 number of immigrants coming from that region has actually reduced 0:30:24.000 --> 0:30:26.080 since we began that work. But I will say this 0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:30.360 that Joe Biden and I in our administration worked with 0:30:30.520 --> 0:30:34.000 members of the United States Congress on an immigration issue 0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:36.080 that is very significant to the American people and for 0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:39.560 our security, which is the border. And through bipartisan work, 0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:41.960 including some of the most conservative members of the United 0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:46.000 States Congress, a bill was crafted which we supported, which 0:30:46.040 --> 0:30:49.760 I support, and Donald Trump got word of this bill 0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:52.840 that would have contributed to securing our border, and because 0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:55.959 he believes that it would not have helped him politically, 0:30:56.600 --> 0:30:59.880 he told his folks in Congress, don't put it forward. 0:30:59.880 --> 0:31:03.000 He killed a bill, a border security bill that would 0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:05.160 have put fifteen hundred more agents on the border. 0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:05.960 And let me tell you something. 0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:08.800 The Border patrol endorsed the bill, and I'm sure, and 0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:10.480 I'm sure in large part because they knew they were 0:31:10.520 --> 0:31:13.280 working around the clock and fifteen hundred more agents would 0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:15.680 help them. That bill would have allowed us to increase 0:31:15.680 --> 0:31:19.040 seizures of fentanyl. Ask any community in America that has 0:31:19.080 --> 0:31:22.000 been devastated by fentanyl what passing that bill would have 0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:24.600 done to address their concern and pain that they see? 0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:26.600 You are so you would push that legislation again. I 0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:27.560 just want to push it. 0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:29.720 I will make sure that it comes to my desk 0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:30.480 and I would sign it. 0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:33.480 There's one other question about something that you said in 0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:34.200 twenty nineteen. 0:31:35.920 --> 0:31:37.800 I don't know if I've talked to you Ryan about 0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:40.959 this whole. Democrats think they were so clever with this whole. 0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:43.960 We're going to adopt the Trump border agenda and then, 0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:46.000 you know, try to get Republicans to pass it and 0:31:46.040 --> 0:31:49.239 then do this gotcha. Ah see, we did a jiu 0:31:49.280 --> 0:31:51.640 jitsu move, and actually we're the real border hawks, and 0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:53.560 we're the ones that really want to do the fascism 0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:57.400 on the border. I think that this is both immoral 0:31:57.960 --> 0:32:00.400 and the wrong policy. But I also think, and it's 0:32:00.640 --> 0:32:02.840 the critical part, is it decoupled what has long been 0:32:02.840 --> 0:32:06.800 the path of having comprehensive immigration reform path citizenship and 0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:10.600 the you know, the border sort of crackdown measures. And 0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:12.640 they just took out the border crackdown measures and just 0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:14.800 try to pass that. They thought this was a brilliant 0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:17.760 jiu jitsu move. Meanwhile, I'm sure you saw this. Paul 0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:20.920 Soger and I talked about it on the show. Because 0:32:21.000 --> 0:32:24.880 Democrats have accepted the Republican framing on immigration, and also 0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:28.120 because of the reality of high number of border crossings 0:32:28.200 --> 0:32:30.880 and you know, migrants being busted into blue cities, et cetera. 0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:36.880 Higher immigration has never been more unpopular, and decreasing immigration 0:32:37.000 --> 0:32:41.000 has never been more popular. So basically, under Trump, actually 0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:44.240 immigrants were more popular than ever before, and now under 0:32:44.240 --> 0:32:48.120 Biden they are, you know, at low in terms of 0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:50.880 support for increasing levels of migration. I really owe it 0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:54.560 to this political philosophy, which I think is utterly foolish 0:32:54.720 --> 0:32:57.600 outside of you know, again, I think im moral wrong 0:32:57.720 --> 0:32:59.959 in terms of what would actually be good for the country, 0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:00.480 et cetera. 0:33:01.440 --> 0:33:04.520 And we already have multiple experiments of this being tried 0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:07.200 in Europe. All the center left European parties when there 0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:10.480 was a migration surge over the last ten years in Europe, 0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:14.080 swung far right to try to say that they were 0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:17.880 just as tough on immigrants as the right wing, but 0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:20.120 they were going to be more humane, you know, and 0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:24.600 liberal and reasonable about it, and they all were obliterated, 0:33:24.680 --> 0:33:27.880 Like there's basically no center left left right in Europe. 0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:29.280 Or you can think. 0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:32.000 About the clip of oh, I guess we didn't play 0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:34.680 the Trump clip, but that of Trump talking about abortion 0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:38.120 rights with this Florida reporter. So now he's pro choice, 0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:40.720 he's going to vote against the constitutional Amendment. You know, 0:33:40.720 --> 0:33:45.880 he's going to vote for basically, you know, allowing abortion. 0:33:47.040 --> 0:33:48.120 In Florida all the way. 0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:52.400 Up to liability. Yeah, it's like it's basically codifying row 0:33:52.560 --> 0:33:53.840 in Florida effectively. 0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:57.560 So, first of all, does anybody believe as a result 0:33:57.560 --> 0:33:59.960 of Trump saying that that Republicans are good on abortion 0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:00.560 and rights? 0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:03.440 Like nobody believes that, Yeah, and you're literally the guy 0:34:03.440 --> 0:34:05.240 who put these justices on the bench. 0:34:05.840 --> 0:34:08.560 So in the same way, does anybody believe that Democrats 0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:10.359 are the ones, like, if you really want somebody who's 0:34:10.360 --> 0:34:11.800 going to crack down on the border, of course, is 0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:13.200 it going to be Democrats Republicans? 0:34:13.480 --> 0:34:13.799 Of course? 0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:17.000 But what will Trump's capitulation on abortion rights? 0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:18.880 Due to the polling, There'll be some. 0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:20.560 Trump supporters who are like, you know what, like you 0:34:20.600 --> 0:34:24.320 said that that Florida amendment now will probably pass in 0:34:24.440 --> 0:34:28.040 like massively, like with bigger numbers than it would have otherwise. 0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:30.480 And so in this and you see the flip side 0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:34.000 on immigration, the numbers moving, people are like, all right, well, 0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:36.680 if Democrats are for this and Republicans are for this, 0:34:37.120 --> 0:34:39.879 let's do it. If you but you know, in your 0:34:39.880 --> 0:34:42.920 debate with Zier, you guys talked about how there's a 0:34:42.920 --> 0:34:47.160 correlation between you know, illegal crossings and people's you know, 0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:53.000 anger at abortion, at immigration, and the desire to reduce 0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:56.440 those those crossings. So what you could do is actually 0:34:56.480 --> 0:34:58.400 do what Kama was talking about is a root causes. 0:34:58.880 --> 0:34:59.600 It's true that. 0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:04.520 In hunter Us, Guatemala and El Salvador, where you know, 0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:08.160 she was tasked with like reducing outflow. There has been 0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:10.520 a reduction in outflow that doesn't have a lot to 0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:12.800 do with what the US did. A lot of bucelli 0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:16.360 uh In Honduras you have a social democratic and shamr 0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:18.480 Castro come in who made things a little bit better. 0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:22.279 Uh So, but a lot of that migrants are coming 0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:27.040 from Haiti, uh, Venezuela and Cuba, and they're all coming. 0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:29.200 As a result of US policies. 0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:31.759 So we could, like, if Democrats actually want to do 0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:35.040 something about it, rather than trying to act like Republicans, 0:35:35.560 --> 0:35:39.759 they could actually just stop sanctioning Venezuela, stop messing with 0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:43.400 and destroying Haiti, and stop sanctioning and destroying Cuba, and 0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:49.759 boom like something. Some massive portion of the migration flow Intoto, 0:35:49.760 --> 0:35:51.440 the border stops cold. 0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:53.600 People would prefer to stay where they are. 0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:59.759 Yeah, we flatter ourselves come here. That's not right, Like 0:35:59.760 --> 0:36:01.399 if you live in Venezuela or Cue, but you want 0:36:01.400 --> 0:36:02.040 to stay there. 0:36:03.200 --> 0:36:05.360 The other thing is we are in a different place 0:36:05.440 --> 0:36:08.200 economically than we were, like when Trump was first running 0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:12.280 in twenty sixteen, and if you take him seriously about 0:36:12.280 --> 0:36:16.440 literally deporting all twelve fifteen million. However, many undocumented immigrants 0:36:16.640 --> 0:36:21.120 that we have here, the level of economic catastrophe that 0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:25.480 would be is basically unfathomable. I mean, we have a 0:36:25.480 --> 0:36:28.560 low unemployment rate. Now, the wages aren't high enough, there's 0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:30.680 a lot of problems in the labor market, but it's 0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:35.360 actually not a high unemployment rate. There isn't a massive, 0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:39.480 you know, unemployed group of laborers out there waiting to 0:36:39.840 --> 0:36:42.520 you know, pick the strawberries in the field, or lay 0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:44.800 the roofing in the construcer, or help build the houses 0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:47.680 that we desperately need to build in this country. Yeah, 0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:50.080 that's exactly right. I mean, if you just look at 0:36:50.160 --> 0:36:53.799 the instead, the most salient issue that people tell us 0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:56.680 over and over again is their biggest economic concern is prices. 0:36:57.600 --> 0:37:02.160 If you genuinely kicked out of the country all fifteen 0:37:02.200 --> 0:37:05.160 million of those workers or whatever, the number is, the 0:37:05.800 --> 0:37:08.920 amount that the prices of all of your grocery items 0:37:09.000 --> 0:37:12.399 and of every new house, the amount that with skyrocket 0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:16.240 is literally insane, not to mention, you know, the massive 0:37:16.280 --> 0:37:20.320 cost to the state of and what an incredible imposition 0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:22.279 you talk about the deep state or the police state 0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:25.520 or whatever, like, it's unfathomable how you would have to 0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:30.920 crack down and surveil and militarize this response to round 0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:32.799 all of these people up, many of whom have been 0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:35.560 here for many years, etc. Like if you actually take 0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:40.800 it at face value from an economic perspective, it's utterly insane. 0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:44.000 But you know, again, no one is making that argument, 0:37:44.160 --> 0:37:47.200 no one, So of course the public is like, oh, well, 0:37:47.320 --> 0:37:50.040 Democrats and the Republicans agree, So I guess they're right. 0:37:50.160 --> 0:37:51.960 I guess we just need to do this border crackdown 0:37:52.000 --> 0:37:55.400 and that's that. And these immigrants are just bad in 0:37:55.520 --> 0:37:58.640 every single way, which of course is not the reality 0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:02.760 of you know, the immigrant population, both legal and illegal, 0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:05.040 that we have in this country at this point. Yeah, 0:38:05.320 --> 0:38:06.640 all right, let's see what we got next. 0:38:06.880 --> 0:38:08.399 When you first ran, there was a debate. 0:38:08.400 --> 0:38:11.239 You raised your hand when asked whether or not the 0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:13.000 border should be decriminalized. 0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:16.480 Do you still believe that? I believe there should be consequence. 0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:19.120 We have laws that have to be followed and enforced 0:38:19.640 --> 0:38:22.799 that address and deal with people who cross our border illegally, 0:38:23.040 --> 0:38:24.840 and there should be consequence. And let's be clear, in 0:38:24.880 --> 0:38:29.560 this race, I'm the only person who has prosecuted transnational 0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:32.839 criminal organizations who trafficking guns, drugs, and human beings. I'm 0:38:32.840 --> 0:38:36.120 the only person in this race who actually served a 0:38:36.160 --> 0:38:38.600 border state as attorney general to enforce our laws, and 0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:40.840 I would enforce our laws as president going forward. 0:38:40.880 --> 0:38:41.640 I recognize the. 0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:45.840 Problem generally speaking, how should voters look at some of 0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:48.480 the changes that you've made that you've explained some of 0:38:48.480 --> 0:38:51.759 here in your policy. Is it because you have more 0:38:51.760 --> 0:38:54.360 experience now and you've learned more about the information. Is 0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:57.680 it because you were running for president in a Democratic primary? 0:38:58.080 --> 0:39:00.640 And should they feel comfortable and confident that what you're 0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:02.840 saying now is going to be your policy moving forward? 0:39:03.239 --> 0:39:06.800 Dan, I think the most important and most significant aspect 0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:10.239 of my policy perspective and decisions is my values have 0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:10.760 not changed. 0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:12.560 You mentioned the Green New Deal. 0:39:13.719 --> 0:39:16.480 I have always believed, and I've worked on it, that 0:39:16.560 --> 0:39:19.200 the climate crisis is real, that it is an urgent 0:39:19.280 --> 0:39:22.280 matter to which we should apply metrics that include holding 0:39:22.280 --> 0:39:26.440 ourselves to deadlines around time. We did that with the 0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:29.040 Inflation Reduction Act. We have set goals for the United 0:39:29.080 --> 0:39:31.680 States of America and by extension, the globe around when 0:39:31.680 --> 0:39:34.880 we should meet certain standards for reduction of greenhouse gas emissions. 0:39:34.920 --> 0:39:37.800 As an example, that value has not changed. My value 0:39:37.840 --> 0:39:39.720 around what we need to do to secure our border. 0:39:39.760 --> 0:39:41.719 That value has not changed. I spent two terms as 0:39:41.719 --> 0:39:46.680 the Attorney General of California prosecuting transnational criminal organization violations 0:39:46.719 --> 0:39:50.560 of American laws regarding the passage illegal passage of guns, drugs, 0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:52.000 and human beings across our border. 0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:55.120 My values have not changed. So that is the reality 0:39:55.120 --> 0:39:55.319 of it. 0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:57.560 And four years of being vice president, I'll tell you 0:39:57.600 --> 0:40:00.960 one of the aspects to your point is traveling the 0:40:00.960 --> 0:40:02.000 country extensively. 0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:03.040 I mean, I'm here in Georgia. 0:40:03.040 --> 0:40:04.880 I think somebody told me seventeen times since I've been 0:40:04.960 --> 0:40:08.360 vice president in Georgia alone. I believe it is important 0:40:08.400 --> 0:40:12.200 to build consensus, and it is important to find a 0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:15.680 commonplace of understanding of where we can actually solve problems. 0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:18.759 On that note, any any reflections on that part. First 0:40:18.760 --> 0:40:21.920 of all, her favorite phraseology at this point is transnational 0:40:21.920 --> 0:40:24.360 criminal gangs. She tries to say that as much as 0:40:24.400 --> 0:40:25.080 you possibly can. 0:40:26.239 --> 0:40:29.600 Yeah, it's the same problem that she has with all 0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:33.560 of the other, you know, left wing positions that she 0:40:33.600 --> 0:40:35.200 took in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty. 0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:36.800 Yeah, Yeah, it's the same. 0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:41.200 Like say, like it's I'm just I was pandering then 0:40:41.239 --> 0:40:43.560 I'm pandering like it's there's no good answer. 0:40:43.600 --> 0:40:45.200 You just flip through you try. 0:40:45.040 --> 0:40:47.319 Got it questions. Yeah, you just got to stick to 0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:49.640 the script and hope that the questioner moves on. 0:40:49.800 --> 0:40:54.080 Ultimately, you had a lot of Republican speakers at the convention. 0:40:54.120 --> 0:40:56.319 Will you appoint the Republican to your cabinet? Yes? 0:40:56.360 --> 0:40:59.359 I would, no one, no one in particular mine. 0:40:59.400 --> 0:41:01.400 I got it sixty eight days to go with the selection, 0:41:01.520 --> 0:41:03.080 so I'm not putting the car before the horse, but 0:41:03.160 --> 0:41:06.160 I would. I think I think it's really important. I 0:41:06.920 --> 0:41:11.000 have spent my career inviting diversity of opinion. I think 0:41:11.040 --> 0:41:12.920 it's important to have people at the table and when 0:41:12.960 --> 0:41:15.040 some of the most important decisions are being made that 0:41:15.160 --> 0:41:18.560 have different views, different experiences, And I think it would 0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:20.640 be to the benefit of the American public to have 0:41:20.680 --> 0:41:22.440 a member of my cabinet who was a Republican. 0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:26.279 What did you think of that, Ryan, Because there was 0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:29.200 a lot of online commentary on the left about this comment. 0:41:29.400 --> 0:41:32.160 Because everyone immediately is like, wait a minute, you can 0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:35.200 have a Republican in your cabinet, but you can't even 0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:36.919 have a palse stinting and give a two minute vetted 0:41:36.960 --> 0:41:41.360 speech on stage at the DNC where they're supporting you. 0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:44.000 So I think that part punched a lot of people 0:41:44.040 --> 0:41:46.480 in the face. But in general, like you know, Obama 0:41:46.520 --> 0:41:49.239 had ray La Hood as his Transportation secretary, this like 0:41:49.320 --> 0:41:52.759 moderate Republican, and you know he did find as a 0:41:52.760 --> 0:41:54.040 transportation secretary. 0:41:54.080 --> 0:41:54.880 It's like, yeah, you. 0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:57.719 Can find a Republican who's going to There's also now 0:41:57.760 --> 0:42:01.000 like so many cabinet positions. They've elevated a whole bunch 0:42:01.000 --> 0:42:04.560 of things to quote quote unquote cabinet level positions that 0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:06.719 you can you can harmlessly toss one of those to 0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:10.279 a Republican if it, you know, if you think there's 0:42:10.320 --> 0:42:12.759 some political benefit and you're gonna win over the Bill 0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:15.000 Crystals and other never Trump Republicans. 0:42:15.480 --> 0:42:17.879 Yeah, yeah, I mean I do think like, even though 0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:20.000 we may discount it, there are a lot of like 0:42:20.320 --> 0:42:24.160 you know, moderate subourban, formerly Republican whatever who see that 0:42:24.200 --> 0:42:26.319 hear those and like, oh, she's you know, the party 0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:30.759 that's very reasonable you hear from. Yeah, exactly right. Yeah, 0:42:30.800 --> 0:42:32.640 I mean I sort of felt the same. I felt 0:42:32.680 --> 0:42:35.080 all of those emotions because the point about like, oh, 0:42:35.200 --> 0:42:36.719 you know, all they ever do is reach out to 0:42:36.800 --> 0:42:41.640 Republicans and punch the left right, and and for the 0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:44.279 beginning of the Harris campaign, which is now all of 0:42:44.280 --> 0:42:46.680 like a month old, you didn't see a lot of that. 0:42:46.719 --> 0:42:49.000 I mean, the choice of Tim Walls was the most 0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:52.319 dramatic break from that pattern. I just assumed, like, oh, 0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:54.719 progressives want this guy, the left wants this guy. There's 0:42:54.760 --> 0:42:56.799 no way it's going to be Tim Walls. And then 0:42:56.920 --> 0:43:00.960 that comes as as a major shock at the convention, 0:43:01.400 --> 0:43:04.160 and in this interview you get the sense that those 0:43:04.280 --> 0:43:09.000 old Democratic Party patterns are taking hold. And it's almost like, 0:43:09.040 --> 0:43:12.160 you know, there's the classic political theory of like, oh, 0:43:12.160 --> 0:43:14.319 in the primary, they you know, they dance this way, 0:43:14.360 --> 0:43:17.200 and then the general election they go back the other way, 0:43:17.280 --> 0:43:20.399 the like primary general election two step, And I guess 0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:22.720 that's happening here is just in a very condensed timeline, 0:43:22.760 --> 0:43:24.839 since there wasn't you know, really a prime, there wasn't 0:43:24.840 --> 0:43:27.120 a primary at all, and so she went from two 0:43:27.160 --> 0:43:30.359 weeks of being relatively benevolent towards the left to now 0:43:30.400 --> 0:43:33.600 doing the normal Democratic leg general election. You know, I'm 0:43:33.640 --> 0:43:35.480 going to get a Republican in my cabinet thing. I 0:43:35.520 --> 0:43:38.120 will say, some people online were floating like, hey, why 0:43:38.120 --> 0:43:41.040 don't you pick like Susan Collins, for example, or like 0:43:41.080 --> 0:43:44.880 another Republican senator in a state with a you know 0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:47.480 that a Democrat could win, or that has a democratic 0:43:47.520 --> 0:43:50.239 governor that appoints the senator, et cetera, et cetera. So 0:43:50.320 --> 0:43:52.279 I don't on its face, I don't hate having the 0:43:52.640 --> 0:43:55.360 idea of having a modern Republican in especially if it 0:43:55.440 --> 0:43:58.680 kind of gives you cover to do something that's meaningless 0:43:58.960 --> 0:44:00.680 as a gesture to the right, but then have an 0:44:00.719 --> 0:44:03.440 agenda that's actually like populous in the way that the 0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:08.360 agenda she has announced is populist and does represent, you know, 0:44:08.400 --> 0:44:11.080 some of the better parts of the of the Biden administration. 0:44:11.760 --> 0:44:16.200 Yeah, I want to ask you about your opponents, Donald Trump. 0:44:17.480 --> 0:44:18.520 I was a little bit surprised. 0:44:18.560 --> 0:44:20.560 People might be surprised to hear that you have never 0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:22.360 interacted with him, met him face to face. 0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:23.440 That's going to change soon. 0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:25.120 But what I want to ask you, have you met 0:44:25.120 --> 0:44:25.919 Trump face to face? 0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:29.880 Ryan been in rooms? But not No, not really, so I. 0:44:29.880 --> 0:44:32.359 Actually I actually this was surprised. I didn't know she'd 0:44:32.400 --> 0:44:35.400 never met him. I actually give you back. Okay. The 0:44:35.440 --> 0:44:38.640 White House correspondents dinner after the one where Obama humiliated 0:44:38.719 --> 0:44:42.560 him I was doing like a red carpet interview thing 0:44:42.600 --> 0:44:45.319 for MSNBC and him and Malania Kane. And this was 0:44:45.360 --> 0:44:48.160 back when he was teasing that he might run, but 0:44:48.200 --> 0:44:50.680 it hadn't actually been and no one was taking him seriously, right, 0:44:50.760 --> 0:44:52.960 And I was like, Okay, yeah, whatever, this is just 0:44:53.000 --> 0:44:56.640 a stunt to help you with your apprentice brand, which 0:44:56.680 --> 0:44:59.479 may have been true by the way, anyway, So yeah, 0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:02.400 I him the question. I was asked, like, hey, what 0:45:02.520 --> 0:45:05.200 happened with those private investigators down in Hawaii that you 0:45:05.200 --> 0:45:07.960 were sending to look at Obama's birth certificate? And he 0:45:08.080 --> 0:45:10.200 was like that was That's the wrong question, Crystal, That's 0:45:10.200 --> 0:45:10.840 the wrong question. 0:45:12.280 --> 0:45:14.360 I was at that dinner too. My table was actually 0:45:14.400 --> 0:45:16.320 really close to his. I was just watching him the 0:45:16.360 --> 0:45:18.800 whole time, and his face was just boiling. 0:45:19.080 --> 0:45:22.040 Yeah. Yeah, So anyway, funny that she's never met him 0:45:22.040 --> 0:45:22.720 face to face. 0:45:23.120 --> 0:45:25.520 About is what he said last month. 0:45:25.560 --> 0:45:28.400 He suggested that you happened to turn black recently for 0:45:28.520 --> 0:45:35.360 political purposes, questioning a core park of your identity, any same. 0:45:35.120 --> 0:45:39.359 Old tired playbook, Next question, please, that's it? 0:45:39.440 --> 0:45:44.360 Okay, great answer. Best part of the interview, in my opinion, 0:45:44.680 --> 0:45:48.120 like learned a lot from the failures of the Hillary 0:45:48.120 --> 0:45:52.520 Clinton campaign. This is exactly and so different from how 0:45:53.160 --> 0:45:55.879 Democrats have handled Trump the entire time, which would any 0:45:55.920 --> 0:45:58.800 other moment this would have launched into some long moralizing 0:45:59.600 --> 0:46:02.200 hi about it and this would have been a multi 0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:05.400 weak news cycle, and instead, because of the way she 0:46:05.440 --> 0:46:08.000 handled it at the time, which was also very dismissive, 0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:11.040 like this, everybody just moved on and it didn't work. 0:46:11.400 --> 0:46:12.000 It didn't work. 0:46:12.200 --> 0:46:14.160 Yeah, makes them look weird and like a loser. 0:46:14.560 --> 0:46:18.600 Yeah, exactly, and they're just like okay, whatever, moving on. Yeah, 0:46:18.680 --> 0:46:22.960 this is exactly and just an overall note, Dan, I 0:46:22.960 --> 0:46:25.160 think at one point we'll get to it. Asked her 0:46:25.239 --> 0:46:28.760 specifically about her identity, but very different from the Hillary 0:46:28.800 --> 0:46:32.840 Clinton campaign. She really does have the idea the sense 0:46:32.880 --> 0:46:35.160 of like people can see I'm a black woman, like 0:46:35.160 --> 0:46:36.920 I don't need to talk about it, you know, the 0:46:37.000 --> 0:46:40.440 trailblazing status or it's that's obvious and it's not what 0:46:40.480 --> 0:46:43.240 people care about, and sort of narcissistic to always constantly 0:46:43.280 --> 0:46:46.200 be leaning into like what this means for me personally 0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:50.280 on my journey of self discovery and you know, and ambition. 0:46:50.440 --> 0:46:52.640 So I think they've been very that's been one of 0:46:52.680 --> 0:46:55.000 the smarter aspects of this campaign. 0:46:55.760 --> 0:46:59.600 Yeah, let's talk about some foreign policy issues that would 0:46:59.600 --> 0:47:02.160 be on your if you become commander in chief. President 0:47:02.200 --> 0:47:05.839 Biden has tried unsuccessfully to end the war between Israel 0:47:05.880 --> 0:47:06.800 and Hamas in Daza. 0:47:06.880 --> 0:47:09.080 He's been doing it for months and months along with you. 0:47:09.480 --> 0:47:12.240 Would you do anything differently, for example, would you withhold 0:47:12.239 --> 0:47:14.680 some US weapons shipments to Israel? That's what a lot 0:47:14.719 --> 0:47:16.640 of people on the progressive left want you to do. 0:47:17.800 --> 0:47:18.839 Let me be very clear. 0:47:18.960 --> 0:47:23.120 I am unequivocal and unwavering in my commitment Israel's defense 0:47:23.600 --> 0:47:26.000 and its ability to defend itself, and that's not going 0:47:26.040 --> 0:47:26.640 to change. 0:47:26.800 --> 0:47:28.640 But let's take a step back. 0:47:29.040 --> 0:47:34.879 October seven, twelve hundred people are massacred, many young people 0:47:34.920 --> 0:47:38.160 who are simply attending a music festival. 0:47:38.760 --> 0:47:40.080 Women were horribly raped. 0:47:41.160 --> 0:47:43.759 As I said then, I say today Israel had a right, 0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:46.440 has a right to defend itself. We would and how 0:47:46.440 --> 0:47:51.000 it does so matters. Far too many innocent Palestinians have 0:47:51.040 --> 0:47:56.000 been killed. And we have got to get a deal done. 0:47:56.320 --> 0:47:59.319 We were in Doha. We have to get a deal done. 0:47:59.360 --> 0:48:02.120 This war must and we must get a deal that 0:48:02.280 --> 0:48:05.600 is about getting the hostages out I've met with the 0:48:05.640 --> 0:48:08.480 families of the American hostages. Let's get the hostages out, 0:48:08.560 --> 0:48:09.800 Let's get the ceasefire done. 0:48:09.680 --> 0:48:11.719 But no change of policy in terms of arms and 0:48:12.640 --> 0:48:13.120 so forth. 0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:15.840 No, we have to get a deal done, Dana. We 0:48:15.920 --> 0:48:17.799 have to get a deal done. When you look at 0:48:18.840 --> 0:48:21.520 the significance of this to the families, to the people 0:48:21.560 --> 0:48:26.000 who are living in that region, a deal is not 0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:27.759 only the right thing to do to end this war, 0:48:27.880 --> 0:48:30.799 but will unlock so much of what must happen next. 0:48:30.840 --> 0:48:34.080 I remain committed since I've been on October eighth to 0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:35.839 what we must do to work toward a two state 0:48:35.960 --> 0:48:40.640 solution where Israel is secure and an equal measure Palestinians 0:48:40.680 --> 0:48:44.480 have security and self determination and dignity. 0:48:45.360 --> 0:48:51.840 Your thoughts, Ryan Well, Dana said some weapons. Maybe Harris 0:48:51.840 --> 0:48:52.920 didn't even pick up on that. 0:48:53.160 --> 0:48:55.560 Yeah, by like completely weapons, you know. 0:48:55.960 --> 0:48:56.640 Self weapons. 0:48:56.920 --> 0:48:59.840 The Biden administration has even said that they would restrict 0:49:00.200 --> 0:49:04.200 weapons like the two thousand pound bombs used for offensive purposes. 0:49:05.520 --> 0:49:06.040 Like Harris. 0:49:06.280 --> 0:49:09.000 People keep saying that Harris is better rhetorically and you 0:49:09.040 --> 0:49:13.000 know more, you know, more empathetic. Where's where's the empathy there? 0:49:13.000 --> 0:49:17.560 Like when when you're actually not even standing by the 0:49:17.600 --> 0:49:23.680 tiniest of concessions that the Biden administration, her administration has 0:49:23.719 --> 0:49:27.040 has made, seems like she, you know, she very clearly 0:49:27.120 --> 0:49:32.200 wants to just say she unequivocally, unconditionally whatever supports you know, 0:49:32.280 --> 0:49:36.520 Israel's right to defend itself. Whereas even Biden say, well 0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:39.480 that maybe the two thousand pound bombs dropped on refugee camps, 0:49:39.520 --> 0:49:41.759 we're not gonna we're not gonna allow that, or at 0:49:41.800 --> 0:49:43.239 least we won't allow it for like a two week 0:49:43.320 --> 0:49:44.160 pause period. 0:49:44.360 --> 0:49:47.080 Well, that's that's such a great point that she could 0:49:47.160 --> 0:49:51.200 have really leaned into. I mean, it's kind of bullshit 0:49:51.239 --> 0:49:55.520 because they ultimately release those whatever right and have given 0:49:55.640 --> 0:49:59.040 Israel ultimately everything Israel could possibly want and more, But 0:50:00.320 --> 0:50:03.520 is enough of a fig leaf to allow her to 0:50:03.560 --> 0:50:05.879 create some sense of separation at least from the Biden 0:50:05.880 --> 0:50:08.680 administration by leaning into that. Listen, we did this with 0:50:08.760 --> 0:50:11.839 the Biden you know, with Joe Biden, we said this 0:50:11.880 --> 0:50:14.200 is unacceptable, and we did withhold it and I would 0:50:14.200 --> 0:50:16.480 do I would I keep that option on the table, 0:50:16.600 --> 0:50:18.080 you know, so there was a way to say this 0:50:18.160 --> 0:50:21.040 with you know, there's such concern on this one issue 0:50:21.560 --> 0:50:25.720 there's such concern about a clear break with the Biden policy. 0:50:25.800 --> 0:50:28.640 There's no concern on that and on literally any other issue. 0:50:28.680 --> 0:50:32.080 But she clearly feels like or you know, also maybe 0:50:32.120 --> 0:50:35.520 just ideologically believes or feels that that's less likely, because 0:50:35.520 --> 0:50:37.680 I don't think she has ideological beliefs, but she feels 0:50:37.760 --> 0:50:39.320 this is where the pressure is, as she needs to 0:50:39.440 --> 0:50:42.520 prove how committed to Israel she is, and she doesn't 0:50:42.520 --> 0:50:45.319 feel as much pressure from the left for whatever reason, 0:50:45.360 --> 0:50:47.360 whatever political calculus she's doing, which by the way, I 0:50:47.400 --> 0:50:49.600 think is foolish when you look just look at the polls. 0:50:51.080 --> 0:50:54.040 But yeah, on this one issue, she feels like, oh, 0:50:54.080 --> 0:50:55.959 I have to just stay locked up with the Biden 0:50:55.960 --> 0:50:59.160 administration not show any sort of you know, distance, And 0:50:59.200 --> 0:51:01.240 I think that's kind of I think that's an excuse, 0:51:01.280 --> 0:51:03.120 Like I think that's I see people making that excuse 0:51:03.160 --> 0:51:04.800 for I think that's kind of a bullshit excuse. 0:51:05.120 --> 0:51:06.840 And when Dana Bash says that this is what the 0:51:06.840 --> 0:51:09.759 progressive left wants you to do, it's true that the 0:51:09.760 --> 0:51:12.160 progressive left wants you to do that, but so does 0:51:12.640 --> 0:51:14.240 more than sixty percent of the country. 0:51:14.440 --> 0:51:16.320 Yes, that's right, that's exactly. 0:51:15.920 --> 0:51:20.320 Great approval for Biden's Israel policy is in the twenties. 0:51:20.440 --> 0:51:24.920 It's like it's he's less popular on his Israel policy 0:51:25.440 --> 0:51:27.080 than he is on his approach to. 0:51:27.560 --> 0:51:29.040 Inflation and immigration. 0:51:29.239 --> 0:51:32.560 That's right exact, breaking with him would be a political benefit. 0:51:32.719 --> 0:51:36.200 And then she leans in to this the mass rape claim, 0:51:37.080 --> 0:51:41.640 because she understands that there's absolutely no consequences, you know, 0:51:42.160 --> 0:51:44.680 for saying that, despite the fact that there is not 0:51:44.760 --> 0:51:46.720 yet evidence of that being the case. 0:51:46.920 --> 0:51:47.040 Right. 0:51:47.080 --> 0:51:49.279 In fact, Israel so desperate to produce him evidence. I 0:51:49.280 --> 0:51:51.480 don't know if you saw this last week. Yeah, this, 0:51:51.840 --> 0:51:57.040 this Facebook group produced a letter that we now have 0:51:57.120 --> 0:52:01.759 confirmed is a complete hoax, making up, making up like 0:52:01.840 --> 0:52:04.759 the most horrific things, and you know, it spent a 0:52:04.800 --> 0:52:09.400 week getting shared by prominent journalists and then the admission 0:52:09.400 --> 0:52:11.719 that it was actually a hoax was. 0:52:11.719 --> 0:52:15.120 Just you know, quiet just gets buried. Yeah. And meanwhile, 0:52:15.640 --> 0:52:20.360 on the contrary, we have seen on camera IDF soldiers 0:52:20.600 --> 0:52:25.040 gang raping a Palestinian prisoner and that. 0:52:25.200 --> 0:52:29.000 Somehows dozens of cases like confirmed by. 0:52:29.040 --> 0:52:33.560 The Human Rights human rights organization, so and so, we 0:52:33.680 --> 0:52:38.799 have lots of documented evidence of systematized sexual assault of 0:52:38.840 --> 0:52:42.240 Palestinians who are being held in this you know, prison 0:52:42.320 --> 0:52:46.239 concentration camp so bad that even the Israelis felt like, oh, 0:52:46.239 --> 0:52:47.880 we got to at least pretend like we might might 0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:50.760 prosecute some of these guys and then come under massive, 0:52:50.840 --> 0:52:53.319 you know, pressure and huge backlash from their own citizenry. 0:52:53.760 --> 0:52:57.680 But yeah, that that somehow never gets mentioned. So I 0:52:58.440 --> 0:53:00.640 had a question for you specifically because you've done so 0:53:00.760 --> 0:53:06.240 much work reporting on the political incentives and shaping of 0:53:06.440 --> 0:53:11.719 you know, the Israel Palestine conflicting this war. Specifically, my 0:53:11.960 --> 0:53:15.000 hope for Kamala Harris was kind of the hope of like, 0:53:15.080 --> 0:53:17.520 this is just a political cipher, Like she doesn't believe anything. 0:53:17.600 --> 0:53:20.160 Biden is an ideological Zionist. You were not moving him 0:53:20.160 --> 0:53:23.400 off that position, period, end of story. My hope was 0:53:23.400 --> 0:53:25.680 that she would look at the polling that you mentioned, like, hey, 0:53:25.800 --> 0:53:29.320 you know, this isn't just the progressive left. A clear 0:53:29.400 --> 0:53:31.800 majority of the country, including a very clear majority of 0:53:31.840 --> 0:53:33.560 independence Republicans are the only want to post to this, 0:53:33.600 --> 0:53:36.080 and they're they're not even they're not voting for you anyway, 0:53:36.120 --> 0:53:38.600 so don't worry about them. They want to ceasefire, but 0:53:38.600 --> 0:53:41.960 they they want to see weapons. They don't want their 0:53:41.960 --> 0:53:46.160 taxpayer dollars going to drop bombs and children who are 0:53:46.160 --> 0:53:48.920 in tents in refugee camps. They don't want that. And 0:53:48.960 --> 0:53:50.920 there's been a lot of polling at this point about 0:53:51.160 --> 0:53:56.160 how just pure cynical electoral calculus, you stand more, you 0:53:56.239 --> 0:53:59.120 have more to gain from taking the position of the 0:53:59.200 --> 0:54:02.239 quote unquote program have left then continuing to do this 0:54:02.239 --> 0:54:04.440 whole Israel has a right to defend themselves no matter what, 0:54:04.520 --> 0:54:06.200 and yes they can do a genocide, and yes they 0:54:06.239 --> 0:54:08.960 can drop the bombs on the babies in the tents 0:54:09.000 --> 0:54:11.560 and have a polio epidemic and whatever endlessly, and I'll 0:54:11.600 --> 0:54:14.319 never do anything about it. That was my hope. But 0:54:14.560 --> 0:54:16.960 it doesn't seem like she's making that calculus. It seems 0:54:16.960 --> 0:54:19.840 like she feels. The pressure she feels is the pressure 0:54:19.880 --> 0:54:23.440 that Democrats and Republicans, but Democrats in particular have felt 0:54:23.480 --> 0:54:26.120 from time immemorial that they can't piss off you know, 0:54:26.280 --> 0:54:29.440 the Israel lobby or you know, the people for whom 0:54:29.480 --> 0:54:33.680 this is a die hard commitment to the end of time. 0:54:34.239 --> 0:54:36.600 Yeah, I think part of it is that ingrained fear 0:54:36.640 --> 0:54:41.560 of decades of that commitment to the pro Israel lobby. 0:54:41.640 --> 0:54:43.960 And then I think also my guess is that the 0:54:44.040 --> 0:54:46.560 campaign is nervous about what's going to happen on college 0:54:46.560 --> 0:54:49.759 campuses between now and the election, and they think that. 0:54:49.800 --> 0:54:52.160 Well, she's not helping things with these kind of comments. 0:54:52.320 --> 0:54:57.239 No, right, No, that's an interesting point. Yes, she will 0:54:57.239 --> 0:54:59.919 make things worse. Like the way to end these camp 0:55:00.239 --> 0:55:03.400 protests is to get a cease fire deal and just 0:55:03.560 --> 0:55:07.200 force it, like a really government already put forward a 0:55:07.200 --> 0:55:09.800 proposal that Hamas accepted. 0:55:10.480 --> 0:55:13.279 Just implement it. Just do that like you could do that. 0:55:13.320 --> 0:55:16.560 You're the United States of America, the most powerful empire 0:55:16.560 --> 0:55:20.000 in world history. Not doing that is going to inflame 0:55:20.120 --> 0:55:21.799 campus protests for the next two months, and I think 0:55:21.800 --> 0:55:23.759 that they don't want to be at all associated with 0:55:23.800 --> 0:55:25.120 those campus protests. 0:55:25.600 --> 0:55:29.040 Not to mention, the longer this goes on, the more 0:55:29.120 --> 0:55:32.640 likely you are to have a larger regional war. That 0:55:32.800 --> 0:55:35.320 means that not only are you going to be hobbled 0:55:35.320 --> 0:55:38.400 politically in terms of getting yourself elected right now, but 0:55:38.840 --> 0:55:42.200 your whole presidency is going to be handstrung by being 0:55:42.880 --> 0:55:46.960 tied once again into an unpopular war in the Middle 0:55:47.000 --> 0:55:50.319 East and whatever you know, thoughts you may potentially theoretically 0:55:50.360 --> 0:55:52.480 have about a child tax credit et cetera. Like, all 0:55:52.520 --> 0:55:55.279 of that is going to be undercut if you are 0:55:55.440 --> 0:55:58.239 boxed in in the way that Phoebe wants to box you. First, 0:55:58.239 --> 0:56:00.840 he wants you to lose, okay, doing his best to 0:56:00.880 --> 0:56:04.160 make sure that that happens. And if by some you 0:56:04.200 --> 0:56:06.439 know chance, you were able to win in spite of 0:56:06.719 --> 0:56:09.799 his efforts, he wants to box you in, so you 0:56:09.880 --> 0:56:13.120 have no exit and it's you know, dramatically politically unpopular 0:56:13.160 --> 0:56:16.640 for you to leave at that point. So yeah, I 0:56:16.640 --> 0:56:19.880 mean there they have fallen into his traps every step 0:56:19.920 --> 0:56:22.440 of the way. And I didn't expect her to have 0:56:22.480 --> 0:56:24.640 any like worl qualms. I thought it would all be 0:56:24.680 --> 0:56:27.520 ambition driven. But she seems to be engaging in the 0:56:27.560 --> 0:56:32.719 same like outdated, foolish political calculus that leads her into 0:56:32.760 --> 0:56:36.320 the same, you know, foolish bear hug position of Joe Biden, 0:56:36.400 --> 0:56:40.440 and that is deeply, deeply disappointing. Yep, all right, I 0:56:40.560 --> 0:56:42.879 got the part three here, last piece, I go ahead 0:56:42.880 --> 0:56:44.440 and pull this up. Here we go. 0:56:44.880 --> 0:56:46.480 Country is just starting to get to know you. 0:56:46.800 --> 0:56:48.960 I want to ask you a question about how you've 0:56:49.000 --> 0:56:51.600 described your service in the National Guard. You said that 0:56:51.640 --> 0:56:54.520 you carried weapons in war, but you have never deployed 0:56:54.560 --> 0:56:56.080 actually in a war zone. 0:56:56.440 --> 0:56:59.520 Beneficials said that you misspoke, did you well, First of. 0:56:59.520 --> 0:57:01.719 All, I'm incredibly proud I've done twenty four years of 0:57:01.719 --> 0:57:04.200 wearing uniform of this country. Equally proud of my service 0:57:04.200 --> 0:57:07.040 in a public school classroom, whether it's Congress or the governor. 0:57:07.640 --> 0:57:09.799 My record speaks for itself. But I think people are 0:57:09.800 --> 0:57:11.440 coming to get to know me. I speak like they do. 0:57:11.920 --> 0:57:13.960 I speak candidately, I wear my emotions on my sleeves, 0:57:13.960 --> 0:57:17.680 and I speak especially passionately abo about our children being 0:57:17.680 --> 0:57:20.560 shot in schools and around guns. So I think people 0:57:20.600 --> 0:57:22.680 know me, they know who I am, they know where 0:57:22.680 --> 0:57:24.680 my heart is. And again, my record has been out 0:57:24.680 --> 0:57:26.760 there for over forty years to be for itself. 0:57:26.920 --> 0:57:29.880 And the idea that you said that you were in war, 0:57:30.240 --> 0:57:31.640 did you mis speak as the campaign has. 0:57:31.520 --> 0:57:33.320 Had, Yeah, I said we were talking about in this case, 0:57:33.360 --> 0:57:35.280 this was after school shooting, the ideas of carrying these 0:57:35.320 --> 0:57:37.680 weapons of war and my wife the English tour. My 0:57:37.720 --> 0:57:39.920 grammar's not always correct, but again, if it's not this 0:57:40.040 --> 0:57:42.120 it's an attack on my children for showing love for me, 0:57:42.200 --> 0:57:42.560 or it's. 0:57:42.400 --> 0:57:43.200 An attack on my dog. 0:57:43.440 --> 0:57:44.560 I'm not going to do that. And the one thing 0:57:44.560 --> 0:57:46.440 I'll never do is I'll never to meet another member's 0:57:46.680 --> 0:57:47.600 service in any way. 0:57:47.640 --> 0:57:49.160 I never have and I never will. 0:57:50.200 --> 0:57:51.240 What do you think ran. 0:57:52.760 --> 0:57:56.280 He forgot in the first answer to contextualize it, and 0:57:56.360 --> 0:57:59.080 Dana kind of like helps him out and with the 0:57:59.080 --> 0:58:02.360 follow up answer. His quote where he said he carried 0:58:02.400 --> 0:58:07.480 weapons in war was in this congressional debate about an 0:58:07.480 --> 0:58:10.280 assault weapon ban in the wake of a school shooting, 0:58:10.480 --> 0:58:13.040 so he was indeed talking about weapons of war. The 0:58:13.080 --> 0:58:15.240 way he said it was quite misleading. He said I've 0:58:15.240 --> 0:58:19.200 carried weapons in war war. He should have contextualized what 0:58:19.240 --> 0:58:22.560 the debate was first. I also think he should just 0:58:23.080 --> 0:58:25.560 let people know what the argument is about because so 0:58:25.560 --> 0:58:26.840 many people are not following it. 0:58:27.360 --> 0:58:32.120 He deployed as part of Operation Enduring Freedom to Europe. 0:58:31.880 --> 0:58:35.320 Where Turkey, I think it was Italy Italy, So he 0:58:35.400 --> 0:58:39.800 deployed as part of OEF, and it is understandable he 0:58:39.840 --> 0:58:42.800 could say. It's understandable that people who are not in 0:58:42.840 --> 0:58:45.840 the military hear me say that I deployed as part 0:58:45.880 --> 0:58:49.840 of OEF, think that the deployment was either in Afghanistan 0:58:49.960 --> 0:58:52.840 or Iraq, but it was not, and people who were 0:58:52.880 --> 0:58:55.479 in the military understand that there are lots of kinds 0:58:55.480 --> 0:58:59.280 of deployments that do not involve, you know, seeing combat 0:58:59.360 --> 0:59:01.840 or being in a war. So so I don't know 0:59:01.840 --> 0:59:03.120 what what did you make of it? 0:59:03.480 --> 0:59:06.400 So I think I agree more with your first point 0:59:06.440 --> 0:59:09.840 than your second point. I think probably the best way 0:59:09.920 --> 0:59:15.600 to respond to this is to immediately shift from you know, 0:59:15.720 --> 0:59:19.120 clearly he misspoke, whether it was intentionally misleading or you know, 0:59:19.480 --> 0:59:22.280 or just a true slip of the tongue. Hard to say. 0:59:22.320 --> 0:59:24.720 People aren't likely to, you know, trust politicians at their 0:59:24.720 --> 0:59:27.600 word with this stuff, but to immediately shift the frame to, well, 0:59:27.640 --> 0:59:30.360 let's talk about what I was talking about though, because 0:59:30.640 --> 0:59:33.280 you know, I was talking about our kids having to 0:59:33.320 --> 0:59:35.680 go to school and do lockdown drills, which our kids 0:59:35.680 --> 0:59:37.480 are all you know, back in school. Mine have already 0:59:37.520 --> 0:59:39.640 done their lockdown drills. 0:59:40.280 --> 0:59:41.440 Those drills are not helpful. 0:59:41.640 --> 0:59:43.720 And you know, my seven year old is coming home 0:59:43.720 --> 0:59:46.120 and asking me questions about it, and you know, sort 0:59:46.120 --> 0:59:48.480 of freaked down, like it's it's a horror, it's it 0:59:48.560 --> 0:59:51.120 is a horrible state of affairs that this is the 0:59:51.160 --> 0:59:54.080 reality in America. And as a public school teacher, no 0:59:54.120 --> 0:59:57.200 one would be better positioned to really speak to that 0:59:57.560 --> 1:00:00.480 horror and immediately shift the frame. So I I think 1:00:00.520 --> 1:00:02.400 it would be fine for him to just be like, yeah, 1:00:02.440 --> 1:00:04.840 I just slip at the time, I misspoke, but let 1:00:04.880 --> 1:00:06.760 me tell you what the real issue is here, and 1:00:06.800 --> 1:00:08.840 then move on. Because the minute you get in the 1:00:08.840 --> 1:00:11.320 weeds about like, well, my rank was technically this, but 1:00:11.360 --> 1:00:13.480 then I didn't fill out the paperwork, and then it's that, 1:00:13.560 --> 1:00:16.080 and then yes it was an operation, then you're playing 1:00:16.520 --> 1:00:19.560 into their you know, what they want you to be 1:00:19.640 --> 1:00:25.120 talking about. The other thing that I would say is, 1:00:25.560 --> 1:00:27.520 you know when he immediately goes you know, if it 1:00:27.560 --> 1:00:30.240 wasn't this, it'd be my kid being you know, expressing love. 1:00:30.280 --> 1:00:32.120 It'd be the attack of my dog. I don't know 1:00:32.120 --> 1:00:33.680 if you guys saw this, but there was this whole 1:00:33.720 --> 1:00:36.160 like online conspiracy about how he was lying about it. 1:00:36.320 --> 1:00:40.240 I was insane. It was so ridiculous, and the Right 1:00:40.320 --> 1:00:43.600 has given him that out because they have been they 1:00:43.640 --> 1:00:46.240 do have tim walls'ter arrangement syndrome, and they have attacked 1:00:46.280 --> 1:00:49.240 him for some of the most ridiculous things. So if 1:00:49.320 --> 1:00:53.560 this you know, attack on him quote unquote misrepresenting his 1:00:53.600 --> 1:00:56.240 military service, if this was going to stick, they needed 1:00:56.240 --> 1:00:59.200 to stay in this lane rather than now trying to 1:00:59.240 --> 1:01:02.920 dig up like most absurd minor. There was that story 1:01:02.960 --> 1:01:05.480 about oh, he said he got an award from the 1:01:05.560 --> 1:01:09.400 Chamber of Commerce, but actually it was the Junior Chamber 1:01:09.440 --> 1:01:13.760 of Commerce, gotcha. So they kind of you know, backed 1:01:13.760 --> 1:01:16.480 themselves into a corner by having Tim Wall's arrangement syndrome 1:01:16.520 --> 1:01:18.400 and attacking him for his kid and his dog and 1:01:19.240 --> 1:01:20.960 getting whether it was the Chamber of Commerce or the 1:01:21.040 --> 1:01:23.480 Junior Chamber of Commerce wrong, or having a rally sign 1:01:23.560 --> 1:01:26.160 that was like, you know, didn't have all the context 1:01:26.200 --> 1:01:28.840 of his service and operation enduring freedom or whatever. 1:01:29.680 --> 1:01:31.200 Yeah, yeah, I think that's right. 1:01:32.440 --> 1:01:36.080 This one other question, because again this is all new. 1:01:36.240 --> 1:01:38.360 This was not ever many days ago. This was not 1:01:38.640 --> 1:01:41.400 on either of your BINGO cards, especially yours. You had 1:01:41.400 --> 1:01:44.120 to clarify that you had said that you and your 1:01:44.160 --> 1:01:47.720 wife used IBF, but it turned out you used a 1:01:47.720 --> 1:01:50.840 different kind of fertility in order to have children. And 1:01:50.880 --> 1:01:52.480 then when you ran for Congress in two thousand and six, 1:01:52.560 --> 1:01:55.720 your campaign repeatedly made all statements about a nineteen ninety 1:01:55.720 --> 1:01:59.400 five arrest for drunken reckless driving. What do you say 1:01:59.400 --> 1:02:02.400 to voters who aren't sure whether they can take you 1:02:02.400 --> 1:02:02.840 at your word. 1:02:03.320 --> 1:02:04.960 Well, I've been very public. I think they can see 1:02:05.320 --> 1:02:07.800 my students come out, former folks I've served with, and 1:02:08.000 --> 1:02:10.160 they vouch for me. I certainly own my mistakes when 1:02:10.200 --> 1:02:11.680 I make them. The one thing I'll tell you is 1:02:11.720 --> 1:02:13.920 of I wished in this country wouldn't have to do this. 1:02:13.960 --> 1:02:16.160 I spoke about our infertility issues because it's hell and 1:02:16.200 --> 1:02:18.760 families know this. And I spoke about the treatments that 1:02:18.760 --> 1:02:21.240 were available to us that had those beautiful children there. 1:02:21.560 --> 1:02:23.200 That's quite a contrast in folks that are trying to 1:02:24.280 --> 1:02:27.240 take those rights away from us. And so I think 1:02:27.280 --> 1:02:29.480 people know who I am, they know that record, They've 1:02:29.480 --> 1:02:31.520 seen that I've taught thousands of students. I've been out there, 1:02:31.600 --> 1:02:34.919 and I won't apologize for peaking passionately, whether it's guns 1:02:34.920 --> 1:02:37.800 and schools or protecting you reproductive rights. The contrast could 1:02:37.840 --> 1:02:39.600 not be clear between what we're running against. The Vice 1:02:39.600 --> 1:02:42.200 President's position on this has been clear, and I think 1:02:42.200 --> 1:02:44.160 most Americans get it if you've been through that. I 1:02:44.160 --> 1:02:46.000 don't think they're cutting hairs on IVF or IUI. I 1:02:46.000 --> 1:02:47.640 think what they're cutting hairs on as an abortion band 1:02:47.720 --> 1:02:49.400 and the ability to be able to deny familis the 1:02:49.480 --> 1:02:50.640 chance to have a beautiful child. 1:02:51.280 --> 1:02:53.320 See that I think is handled as well as you can. 1:02:53.840 --> 1:02:56.160 And to say, you know, I own my mistakes. But 1:02:56.480 --> 1:02:58.320 you know, here's the point. Let me take it back 1:02:58.360 --> 1:02:59.520 to the political issue. 1:03:00.040 --> 1:03:04.600 Because he got correct me on I don't know quite 1:03:04.600 --> 1:03:07.600 the details. They got some fertility treatment, but it wasn't IVF. 1:03:07.600 --> 1:03:14.720 It wasn't technically IVF. Yeah, so in any case, which again, 1:03:14.880 --> 1:03:16.600 like I think, if I think. 1:03:16.760 --> 1:03:19.720 His point that the the like depth of the pain 1:03:20.000 --> 1:03:23.880 and anxiety associated with it is equivalent, probably is what 1:03:23.920 --> 1:03:24.360 he's saying. 1:03:24.400 --> 1:03:25.160 And I think that's. 1:03:25.040 --> 1:03:28.200 Fair exactly, And like I said, just you know, shifting 1:03:28.240 --> 1:03:31.000 it from him and what he said to the issue itself, 1:03:31.040 --> 1:03:34.400 which is clearly a strong one for Democrats, as evidenced 1:03:34.400 --> 1:03:36.480 by Donald Trump himself sort of freaking out about it. 1:03:37.400 --> 1:03:39.520 I think it's probably the best way that you that 1:03:39.600 --> 1:03:40.440 you talk about. 1:03:40.200 --> 1:03:44.880 That, Vice President Harris, you were a very strong. 1:03:44.680 --> 1:03:46.040 I also just wanted to mention, I don't know if 1:03:46.040 --> 1:03:48.520 you noticed Kamla's face like looking at him while he's speaking, 1:03:48.520 --> 1:03:51.200 but she loves this guy, because she clearly has a 1:03:51.240 --> 1:03:53.400 lot of affection for him. It's very clear it's like 1:03:53.440 --> 1:03:55.960 a proud mom looking at him while he's talking. 1:03:57.760 --> 1:04:00.520 Defender of President Biden's capacity to serve another four years. 1:04:00.560 --> 1:04:03.200 Right after the debate, you insisted that President Biden is 1:04:03.200 --> 1:04:06.200 extraordinarily strong given where we are now, Do you have 1:04:06.240 --> 1:04:08.520 any regrets about what you told the American people? 1:04:08.840 --> 1:04:11.480 No, not at all, not at all. I have. 1:04:13.120 --> 1:04:16.240 Served with President Biden for almost four years now, and 1:04:16.280 --> 1:04:17.600 I'll tell you it's one of the greatest honors of 1:04:17.600 --> 1:04:18.040 my career. 1:04:18.120 --> 1:04:18.440 Truly. 1:04:20.120 --> 1:04:22.920 He cares so deeply about the American people. He is 1:04:23.000 --> 1:04:28.560 so smart and loyal to the American people, and I 1:04:28.640 --> 1:04:31.240 have spent hours upon hours with him, being in the 1:04:31.240 --> 1:04:34.800 Oval office or the situation room. He has the intelligence, 1:04:34.880 --> 1:04:39.520 the commitment, and the judgment and disposition that I think 1:04:39.560 --> 1:04:43.600 the American people rightly deserve in their president. By contrast, 1:04:43.600 --> 1:04:47.240 the former president has none of that. And so one, 1:04:48.320 --> 1:04:50.640 I am so proud to have served as vice president 1:04:50.680 --> 1:04:53.400 to Joe Biden. And two, I'm so proud to be 1:04:53.680 --> 1:04:56.720 running with Tim Walls for President of the United States 1:04:56.840 --> 1:05:00.640 and to bring America what I believe the American people deserve, 1:05:00.640 --> 1:05:03.240 which is a new way forward and turn the page 1:05:03.600 --> 1:05:06.240 on the last decade of what I believe has been 1:05:07.440 --> 1:05:09.640 contrary to where the spirit. 1:05:09.320 --> 1:05:10.480 Of our country really lies. 1:05:10.520 --> 1:05:13.080 But the last so she pivots there from you know, 1:05:14.000 --> 1:05:16.320 do you love Joe Biden? Yes, I love Joe Biden too, 1:05:16.360 --> 1:05:18.880 But let's talk about Donald Trump. You know, let's let 1:05:18.960 --> 1:05:20.960 me let me get off this whole Joe Biden situation 1:05:21.000 --> 1:05:22.640 as quick as I can and talk about this guy 1:05:22.640 --> 1:05:23.560 that we're growing up against. 1:05:23.560 --> 1:05:26.760 Now, that's how the whole country feels. So it's kind 1:05:26.760 --> 1:05:27.439 of an easy one. 1:05:27.520 --> 1:05:30.840 That's what she's betting on too, is you know, it's 1:05:30.920 --> 1:05:34.120 kind of one of her strengths has been the not 1:05:34.240 --> 1:05:37.240 going back frame of the campaign, which I think a 1:05:37.240 --> 1:05:40.000 lot of people do relate to. Of like, even though 1:05:40.040 --> 1:05:43.720 she's the sitting vice president, she feels like turning a page. 1:05:43.720 --> 1:05:45.680 As she said, she feels like she's kind of the 1:05:45.760 --> 1:05:47.840 change candidate, even though in a lot of ways she 1:05:47.920 --> 1:05:50.880 is reflective of, you know, continuing the status quo of 1:05:50.920 --> 1:05:54.440 the Biden administration, and so she benefits from being in 1:05:54.480 --> 1:05:58.880 the vice president in the vice presidential office and people 1:05:58.920 --> 1:06:01.920 being able to envision her in that role, but also 1:06:02.040 --> 1:06:05.240 feeling like just because frankly, of her identity and her 1:06:05.600 --> 1:06:09.240 relative youth, etcetera feeling like she is a turning of 1:06:09.280 --> 1:06:10.400 the page to a different era. 1:06:10.960 --> 1:06:11.160 Yeah. 1:06:11.200 --> 1:06:13.720 I think the polling shows people don't dislike Biden as 1:06:13.720 --> 1:06:17.880 a person. Maybe they should, but they don't. They just 1:06:17.920 --> 1:06:19.440 didn't want him to run for re election. 1:06:20.400 --> 1:06:22.560 Yeah, the most popular thing he's done as president. I'll say, 1:06:24.400 --> 1:06:26.640 you're like, oh, okay, we kind of like you now, 1:06:26.720 --> 1:06:28.040 that's fine. 1:06:28.760 --> 1:06:29.000 Yeah. 1:06:29.040 --> 1:06:33.640 So Republicans really wanted this to be because, I mean, 1:06:33.720 --> 1:06:37.280 it is a scandal that who knew the level of 1:06:37.320 --> 1:06:39.800 his decline, Like what was going on behind the scenes 1:06:39.800 --> 1:06:42.080 that you all were covering up. It is a genuine scandal, 1:06:42.080 --> 1:06:45.520 And people Republicans really wanted this to be a problem 1:06:45.560 --> 1:06:49.040 for her, And people are just so relieved to not 1:06:49.120 --> 1:06:52.360 have Biden on the ticket that and there's such overwhelming 1:06:52.360 --> 1:06:54.640 support for him making that move that I just it 1:06:54.720 --> 1:06:57.440 has not landed as a political attack whatsoever. 1:06:57.520 --> 1:06:59.600 Yeah, because by virtue of the scandal that it was 1:07:00.000 --> 1:07:01.800 scandal was that he was trying to run for reelection. 1:07:02.920 --> 1:07:05.200 By not running for reelection, the scandal goes away. 1:07:05.440 --> 1:07:06.840 True. Yeah, that's true. 1:07:07.160 --> 1:07:08.640 This decade, of course, the last three and a half 1:07:08.720 --> 1:07:10.440 years has been part of your administration. 1:07:10.560 --> 1:07:13.680 I'm talking about an era that started about a decade 1:07:13.720 --> 1:07:15.000 ago where. 1:07:14.840 --> 1:07:17.160 There is some suggestion warped. 1:07:17.200 --> 1:07:20.720 I believe it to be that the measure of the 1:07:20.760 --> 1:07:22.320 strength of a leader is based on who you beat 1:07:22.400 --> 1:07:26.240 down instead of where I believe most Americans are, which 1:07:26.280 --> 1:07:28.160 is to believe that the true measure of the strength 1:07:28.160 --> 1:07:29.680 of a leader is based on who you lift up. 1:07:30.080 --> 1:07:32.200 That's what said stake as much as any other detail 1:07:32.320 --> 1:07:33.960 that we could discuss in this election. 1:07:34.840 --> 1:07:37.520 Because we haven't had a chance to talk. I'm just curious. 1:07:37.800 --> 1:07:40.520 Staying on President Biden, when he called you and said 1:07:40.520 --> 1:07:42.720 he was pulling out of the race, what was that 1:07:42.800 --> 1:07:44.760 like And did he offer to endorse you right away 1:07:44.800 --> 1:07:45.560 or did you ask for it? 1:07:46.480 --> 1:07:49.840 Hard heading question there, Ryan right, It's like this is 1:07:49.880 --> 1:07:51.600 related a Steel herself for this one. 1:07:51.840 --> 1:07:54.320 This is when you really are starting to sympathize with 1:07:54.400 --> 1:08:01.600 the conservative criticism of outlets like CNN, where are like, seriously, like, 1:08:02.040 --> 1:08:05.040 if you're Vanity Fair and you're doing like a magazine profile, 1:08:05.760 --> 1:08:07.880 this is interesting stuff and then you can write some 1:08:07.960 --> 1:08:11.600 flowery narrative around it for a sit down interview that 1:08:11.960 --> 1:08:16.680 with the presidential candidate hasn't given an interview yet. You 1:08:17.160 --> 1:08:19.080 got to use your time to hit them on policy. 1:08:19.400 --> 1:08:22.879 Well that's the thing too. You know, having done these interviews, 1:08:22.880 --> 1:08:26.000 you and I both with presidential candidates or other type 1:08:26.040 --> 1:08:29.800 of candidates, you know, you are very aware. I've got 1:08:29.840 --> 1:08:33.679 a clock ticking from the moment we say go until 1:08:33.760 --> 1:08:36.800 the moment is over, and I have to be very 1:08:37.160 --> 1:08:41.200 strategic about what I get in and what is most consequential, 1:08:41.640 --> 1:08:44.600 and you know, and try to either I'm going to 1:08:44.720 --> 1:08:46.680 really drill in on a couple of issues, or I'm 1:08:46.680 --> 1:08:49.280 gonna have a wide ranging conversation hit on as many 1:08:49.320 --> 1:08:51.760 possible things as I can. I think that's probably the 1:08:51.800 --> 1:08:54.240 approach I would take here, just because she hasn't given 1:08:54.280 --> 1:08:55.679 it in so we don't have her on the record, 1:08:55.680 --> 1:08:56.960 So I would try to get her on the record 1:08:56.960 --> 1:08:59.600 on as many issues as you possibly could. So to 1:08:59.720 --> 1:09:03.200 spend and you know, there's five minutes left in this interview. 1:09:03.479 --> 1:09:05.960 Five minutes you can get a lot accomplished, and all 1:09:06.000 --> 1:09:08.320 of it is just dedicated. You're about to hear Takamala 1:09:08.360 --> 1:09:12.800 talking about like cooking pancakes and her adorable, admittedly adorable 1:09:13.000 --> 1:09:15.679 baby nieces wanting more bacon and whatever. When Joe Biden 1:09:15.720 --> 1:09:18.679 calls it was. 1:09:19.760 --> 1:09:22.360 It was a Sunday. So here, I'll give you a 1:09:22.360 --> 1:09:23.200 little too much information. 1:09:23.320 --> 1:09:25.559 Go for it. There's no such things a vice president. 1:09:26.160 --> 1:09:31.439 My family was staying with us and including my baby nieces, 1:09:31.640 --> 1:09:36.120 and we had just had pancakes and you know, Auntie, 1:09:36.160 --> 1:09:36.920 can I have more bacon? 1:09:37.000 --> 1:09:39.559 Yes, I'll make you more bacon. And then we were 1:09:39.680 --> 1:09:42.560 gonna sit We were sitting down to do a puzzle. 1:09:43.840 --> 1:09:45.880 And the phone rang and it was Joe Biden and 1:09:47.040 --> 1:09:51.360 he told me what he decided to do. And I 1:09:51.360 --> 1:09:55.639 asked him, are you sure? And he said yes, And 1:09:58.160 --> 1:09:59.320 that's how I learned about it. 1:10:00.000 --> 1:10:01.439 About the endorsement. Did you ask for it? 1:10:02.439 --> 1:10:04.240 He was very clear that he was going to support me. 1:10:04.280 --> 1:10:05.599 So when he called to tell you, he said, I'm 1:10:05.600 --> 1:10:06.759 pulling out of the race and I'm going. 1:10:06.600 --> 1:10:07.160 To support you. 1:10:07.240 --> 1:10:08.880 Well, my first thought was not about me, to be 1:10:08.880 --> 1:10:11.760 honest with you, My first thought was about him, To 1:10:11.800 --> 1:10:16.320 be honest, I think history is going to show a 1:10:16.400 --> 1:10:19.679 number of things about Joe Biden's presidency. I think history 1:10:19.720 --> 1:10:22.240 is going to show that in so many ways it 1:10:22.280 --> 1:10:26.759 was transformative. Be it on what we have accomplished around 1:10:27.160 --> 1:10:30.760 finally investing in America's infrastructure, investing in new economies in 1:10:30.840 --> 1:10:31.560 new industries. 1:10:31.880 --> 1:10:33.760 What we have done to bring. 1:10:33.560 --> 1:10:36.240 Our allies back together and have confidence in who we 1:10:36.280 --> 1:10:39.000 are as America and grow that alliance. What we have 1:10:39.080 --> 1:10:42.479 done to stand true to our principles, including the one 1:10:42.479 --> 1:10:44.400 of the most important international rules and norms, which is 1:10:44.439 --> 1:10:47.880 the importance of sovereignty and territorial integrity. And I think 1:10:48.040 --> 1:10:50.479 history is going to show not only has Joe Biden 1:10:50.840 --> 1:10:56.360 led an administration that has achieved those extraordinary successes, but 1:10:56.479 --> 1:11:00.479 the character of the man is one that he has 1:11:00.520 --> 1:11:03.719 been in his life and career, including as a president, 1:11:03.800 --> 1:11:05.880 quite selfless and puts American people first. 1:11:05.960 --> 1:11:09.200 I just have to ask you both about two standout moments, aside, 1:11:09.200 --> 1:11:11.760 of course, from the addresses that you both gave, but 1:11:11.800 --> 1:11:15.280 stand out moments that were perhaps unexpected during the convention. 1:11:15.360 --> 1:11:19.000 You mentioned one of them, Governor, a moment that you 1:11:19.080 --> 1:11:21.799 shared that the world shared with your son Gus. 1:11:22.080 --> 1:11:23.839 You were speaking, the camera caught. 1:11:23.680 --> 1:11:27.320 Him to another incredible softball. I did think they talked 1:11:27.360 --> 1:11:29.479 about pancakes and bacon for the last five minutes, but 1:11:29.479 --> 1:11:31.960 apparently they also you know, let Tim Wallace talk about 1:11:32.200 --> 1:11:34.880 when she loves his family too. And I mean this 1:11:34.920 --> 1:11:38.759 is look the Kamala moment. There is charming. She's charming 1:11:38.800 --> 1:11:41.479 in that moment. It's like an in kind contribution, though, like, 1:11:41.520 --> 1:11:44.320 that's not your job. Your goal and your job and 1:11:44.360 --> 1:11:47.080 these interviews isn't like to make people feel warm fuzzies 1:11:47.120 --> 1:11:49.360 and do basically campaign ad for them. It's supposed to 1:11:49.360 --> 1:11:50.920 be to hold power to account. 1:11:51.600 --> 1:11:54.280 Is there any chance that her first thought was about him? 1:11:56.000 --> 1:11:56.880 Any chance on her? 1:11:57.520 --> 1:12:03.639 Any chance whatsoever. There's a scene in Beep where Selena 1:12:03.680 --> 1:12:06.519 Meyer gets the call that the president is not running 1:12:06.520 --> 1:12:10.000 for re election. Instead, she's gonna run. That's that's how 1:12:10.040 --> 1:12:11.080 that one went down. 1:12:11.280 --> 1:12:13.639 See, I never watched I watched like maybe two episodes 1:12:13.680 --> 1:12:14.920 of Deep, so I'm not familiar. 1:12:15.360 --> 1:12:17.120 You're not prepared for this administration. 1:12:17.240 --> 1:12:19.920 I guess I got to watch it. Put that on 1:12:19.960 --> 1:12:21.960 the list for me and Guyle because I don't think 1:12:22.000 --> 1:12:23.559 he's watched it. I'm not sure. Maybe he has. 1:12:23.640 --> 1:12:27.879 Oh my god, it's it's an absolutely, it's a documentary that's. 1:12:27.720 --> 1:12:30.240 Scary, scary. All right, let's finish this up. 1:12:30.840 --> 1:12:34.280 So incredibly proud of you, so emotional saying that's my dad. 1:12:35.400 --> 1:12:37.760 Yeah, I don't know as a father, I could have 1:12:37.760 --> 1:12:40.160 ever imagined that I'm grateful for so many reasons to 1:12:40.160 --> 1:12:42.519 be on this ticket, but that moment to understand what 1:12:42.560 --> 1:12:45.320 was really important to have my son feel a sense 1:12:45.360 --> 1:12:46.599 of pride in me that I was trying to do 1:12:46.600 --> 1:12:49.080 the right thing, and it was you you try and 1:12:49.120 --> 1:12:49.760 protect your kids. 1:12:49.800 --> 1:12:50.080 You don't. 1:12:50.160 --> 1:12:52.720 It brings, it brings notoriety and things. But it was 1:12:52.760 --> 1:12:56.439 just such a visceral emotional moment that I'm just I'm 1:12:56.439 --> 1:12:58.719 grateful I got to experience it, and I'm so proud 1:12:58.720 --> 1:13:00.080 of him. I'm proud of him. I'm proud of all. 1:13:02.320 --> 1:13:06.559 Breaking walls what it was. It was like Wall's grateful 1:13:06.560 --> 1:13:09.080 for visceral emotional moment with son at Dancys and breaking 1:13:09.200 --> 1:13:09.479 us there. 1:13:09.560 --> 1:13:09.760 Ryan. 1:13:09.920 --> 1:13:12.760 I mean, it is true that it is very rare 1:13:12.840 --> 1:13:16.920 that children, let alone take pride in their parents, but 1:13:17.000 --> 1:13:18.680 even look at them as human beings. 1:13:19.360 --> 1:13:21.719 So yeah, I have. 1:13:21.720 --> 1:13:26.240 No doubt that was an authentically like infigurating and experience 1:13:26.280 --> 1:13:27.840 that he'll remember the rest of his life, no doubt 1:13:27.840 --> 1:13:29.960 about it. What does that have to do with anything, 1:13:30.160 --> 1:13:30.760 I don't know. 1:13:30.920 --> 1:13:34.600 Yeah, yeah, absolutely, to experience it, and I'm I'm so 1:13:34.680 --> 1:13:35.160 proud of him. 1:13:35.160 --> 1:13:36.839 I'm proud of him. I'm proud of hope. I'm prodiguin. 1:13:36.960 --> 1:13:39.080 She's a wonderful mother, and these are great kids. And 1:13:39.120 --> 1:13:40.479 I think the one thing he is talking about the 1:13:40.520 --> 1:13:42.880 era we're in is our polittive can be better, it 1:13:42.920 --> 1:13:45.240 can be different, We can we can show some of 1:13:45.280 --> 1:13:46.920 these things, and we can have families involved in this. 1:13:47.000 --> 1:13:49.120 And I hope that there was a hope people felt 1:13:49.160 --> 1:13:50.439 that out there, and I hope they hug their kids 1:13:50.439 --> 1:13:52.160 a little tighter because you just never know and life 1:13:52.160 --> 1:13:52.840 can be kind of hard. 1:13:53.080 --> 1:13:55.240 How good is he though, to immediately pivot from that 1:13:55.360 --> 1:13:57.640 to like hit one of his core themes of you know, 1:13:57.840 --> 1:14:00.920 we can get back to the Thanksgiving dinner table where 1:14:00.920 --> 1:14:02.559 we don't all like hate each other and dredd it 1:14:02.600 --> 1:14:03.040 and whatever. 1:14:03.760 --> 1:14:05.880 Pretty masterful politician. 1:14:05.640 --> 1:14:07.840 Yeah, he really is. I would I'd be happy to 1:14:07.880 --> 1:14:09.640 just skip the Kamala harris aera and go start with 1:14:09.640 --> 1:14:14.840 the Tim Walls hair personally. Last question, have very true, 1:14:15.040 --> 1:14:16.120 very possible. 1:14:16.200 --> 1:14:19.920 Amouna vice president. The photograph that has gone viral, you 1:14:19.960 --> 1:14:21.840 were speaking. One of your grand nieces that you were 1:14:21.880 --> 1:14:25.360 just talking about was watching you accept the nomination. You 1:14:25.400 --> 1:14:28.519 didn't explicitly talk about gender or race in your speech, 1:14:28.720 --> 1:14:30.559 but obviously means a lot to a lot of people, 1:14:30.600 --> 1:14:32.880 and that viral picture really says it. 1:14:33.120 --> 1:14:36.000 What does it mean to you? 1:14:36.000 --> 1:14:39.360 You know, I listen, I am running because I believe 1:14:39.560 --> 1:14:41.479 that I am the best person to do this job 1:14:41.520 --> 1:14:45.880 at this moment for all Americans, regardless of race and gender. 1:14:46.800 --> 1:14:49.439 But I did see that photograph and I was deeply 1:14:49.439 --> 1:14:51.400 touched by it. And you're right, she's it's the back 1:14:51.400 --> 1:14:54.920 of her head, her tool braids, and and then I'm 1:14:54.960 --> 1:14:59.479 in the front of the photograph obviously speaking and it's 1:14:59.560 --> 1:15:01.080 very humble, very humblam. 1:15:01.120 --> 1:15:03.360 Anyways, did she talking about it afterwards? 1:15:03.760 --> 1:15:06.280 Oh, she had a lot to talk about. 1:15:05.439 --> 1:15:08.960 She listened to everything, and she listens to every. 1:15:08.800 --> 1:15:11.000 Get of your hot takee oh yeah, definitely. 1:15:11.600 --> 1:15:13.519 Man of Vice President, Governor Wells, thank you so much 1:15:13.520 --> 1:15:13.960 for your time. 1:15:14.280 --> 1:15:18.360 So there you go. But that last answer very emblematic 1:15:18.400 --> 1:15:21.479 of how she has. She's really adopted more of an 1:15:21.479 --> 1:15:25.680 Obama approach to the quote unquote historic nature of her candidacy. 1:15:25.760 --> 1:15:27.760 She lets it speak for herself. She really wants to 1:15:28.320 --> 1:15:31.120 give comfort to everyone that listen, I'm not going to 1:15:31.120 --> 1:15:32.960 talk about like all this black stuff. I'm just I'm 1:15:32.960 --> 1:15:35.040 going to be a president for everybody. And if it 1:15:35.080 --> 1:15:37.040 means something to you, that's great, but that's not what 1:15:37.040 --> 1:15:39.479 I'm That's not the reason I'm here. And I think 1:15:39.520 --> 1:15:41.200 that's sad that that's what she has to do. But 1:15:41.560 --> 1:15:43.160 I think it's the right approach. I mean. But on 1:15:43.200 --> 1:15:46.519 the other hand, like, obviously, representation matters and it does 1:15:46.520 --> 1:15:48.880 speak for itself, but more important is Okay, what are 1:15:48.880 --> 1:15:50.920 you going to do on Roe versus way that is 1:15:50.960 --> 1:15:53.959 going to be much more impactful to all women versus 1:15:54.000 --> 1:15:57.840 you know, you yourself Kamala Harris transcending to this position of power. 1:15:58.360 --> 1:16:02.000 Yeah, but yeah, again, if you're a conservative watching that, 1:16:02.520 --> 1:16:03.000 you're like. 1:16:02.920 --> 1:16:06.960 How is this a how? How is this a Is 1:16:07.000 --> 1:16:08.000 this a journalist? 1:16:08.240 --> 1:16:08.280 Like? 1:16:08.320 --> 1:16:09.160 What's going on here? 1:16:09.479 --> 1:16:09.959 Yeah? 1:16:10.000 --> 1:16:12.320 And it's fine, Like it is a cool picture. 1:16:12.400 --> 1:16:15.120 And for the public to end Democrats in particular to 1:16:15.240 --> 1:16:17.120 like love the picture, that's great. 1:16:18.160 --> 1:16:19.640 But for the. 1:16:19.160 --> 1:16:22.880 Media like to take the opportunity of this interview to 1:16:22.960 --> 1:16:25.120 just elevate that and give her an opportunity to sell 1:16:25.160 --> 1:16:29.200 it more, it's just I mean, Cana's gonna do what 1:16:29.200 --> 1:16:29.680 it's gonna do. 1:16:29.760 --> 1:16:31.400 But you know, yeah, they can't. 1:16:31.439 --> 1:16:34.720 They can't complain then when people see them as Democratic 1:16:34.880 --> 1:16:35.880 Party apparatriics. 1:16:36.040 --> 1:16:41.479 That's it's that's exactly right overall, t LDR. What what 1:16:41.520 --> 1:16:43.320 grade do you give her? Do you think this is 1:16:43.960 --> 1:16:46.040 going to be consequential in any way? Are there any 1:16:46.040 --> 1:16:48.040 moments from this that sort of survived the weekend? 1:16:48.640 --> 1:16:49.840 She she did fine enough. 1:16:50.680 --> 1:16:55.400 I think, you know, it was much better than her 1:16:55.400 --> 1:16:59.160 previous interviews. It was it was pretty easy interview, Like 1:17:00.360 --> 1:17:02.960 there were no really tough questions. The only reason that 1:17:03.080 --> 1:17:05.240 questions were tough is because there were some obvious ones, 1:17:05.280 --> 1:17:07.519 like you used to say the complete opposite of what 1:17:07.560 --> 1:17:11.400 you say now, why right? Like, but you know, she 1:17:12.000 --> 1:17:14.559 didn't do the word salad that she's famous for for 1:17:14.600 --> 1:17:18.000 the most part, And so I think, like, like we 1:17:18.000 --> 1:17:22.559 were saying earlier, unlike Obama, who people really vested all 1:17:22.600 --> 1:17:25.760 of their hopes and dreams into and were willing to 1:17:25.840 --> 1:17:29.200 let them lead them wherever, That's not how people feel 1:17:29.200 --> 1:17:32.360 about Harris. They just want her to not fall over, 1:17:33.160 --> 1:17:35.280 and they will, like the crowd will like carry her 1:17:35.280 --> 1:17:36.600 on their shoulders across. 1:17:36.320 --> 1:17:37.000 The finish line. 1:17:37.600 --> 1:17:40.759 They're like, just just be alive, just be better than Biden. 1:17:41.400 --> 1:17:42.840 Yeah, and she's doing that. 1:17:43.439 --> 1:17:43.759 Yeah. 1:17:44.120 --> 1:17:47.760 It's also the case that the bar has been it 1:17:47.840 --> 1:17:49.680 is fair to say the bar has been said exceptionally 1:17:49.720 --> 1:17:55.840 low because of Biden, but also because all we've really 1:17:55.840 --> 1:17:58.680 seen of her for the Biden administration has been like 1:17:58.840 --> 1:18:01.879 whatever words ouid clip have been cut and shared viraly. 1:18:02.640 --> 1:18:07.000 And so there's a caricature of her number one and 1:18:07.120 --> 1:18:09.400 number two that forgets some of the moments where she 1:18:09.479 --> 1:18:12.479 has been strong and capable, and she's obviously you know, 1:18:12.560 --> 1:18:16.280 she's I think she also has an added confidence and 1:18:16.360 --> 1:18:18.519 swagger in this moment she didn't previously have. And I 1:18:18.520 --> 1:18:21.080 also think she probably grew on the job as vice president. 1:18:21.240 --> 1:18:23.120 You know, even though we weren't seeing everything she was doing, 1:18:23.160 --> 1:18:26.320 she was doing some stuff and having to get reps 1:18:26.320 --> 1:18:28.559 in and hone some of her skills and get better. 1:18:29.080 --> 1:18:33.200 So yeah, I think she I think Republicans will be 1:18:33.240 --> 1:18:36.719 disappointed that she isn't actually the caricature that they had 1:18:36.800 --> 1:18:41.760 in their mind where she's just totally incapable of answering 1:18:41.840 --> 1:18:44.240 any question without a script right in front of her 1:18:44.320 --> 1:18:45.800 or someone holding her hand, et cetera. 1:18:47.120 --> 1:18:48.960 Yeah, I think that she had a month to prepare 1:18:49.000 --> 1:18:51.920 for it. Yeah, and so she did some prep. There 1:18:52.000 --> 1:18:55.320 was the previously the concern among her departed staff was 1:18:55.320 --> 1:18:58.559 that she refused to prepare for interviews and flubbed you know, 1:18:58.640 --> 1:19:01.759 easy questions questions. Yeah, she did that at the start 1:19:01.760 --> 1:19:04.720 of this one, the day one, but was prepared for 1:19:04.920 --> 1:19:09.400 other ones. And so yeah, it's like she should do 1:19:09.439 --> 1:19:12.000 more of these and not make it like a national event. 1:19:13.560 --> 1:19:17.400 We have to do an hour and twenty minute response 1:19:18.040 --> 1:19:20.760 parsing every single answer, because this is all we have. 1:19:21.280 --> 1:19:23.360 This is all we have at this point of you know, 1:19:23.400 --> 1:19:26.960 what she's given us in terms of interview sit down. 1:19:27.720 --> 1:19:29.680 Do you think that this you know, what do you 1:19:29.720 --> 1:19:32.040 think is the next time? Do you think now she'll 1:19:32.040 --> 1:19:33.519 feel like, Okay, maybe I can do a few of 1:19:33.520 --> 1:19:35.000 these and I can survive it. Or do you think 1:19:35.040 --> 1:19:37.880 she'll feel like, all right, check to that box. I'm 1:19:37.920 --> 1:19:39.400 not going to have to do another one of these 1:19:39.439 --> 1:19:40.559 for another month and a half. 1:19:40.960 --> 1:19:45.200 Maybe she'll do one a little sooner, yeah, or maybe 1:19:45.200 --> 1:19:47.720 she'll maybe she'll just punt like because what they did, 1:19:47.720 --> 1:19:49.640 they punted it to the end of the month, and 1:19:49.640 --> 1:19:52.160 then they did it right before Labor Day, so they'll 1:19:52.160 --> 1:19:55.400 skip Labor Day week next week, then they'll be under 1:19:55.439 --> 1:19:59.240 then then they got the debate like so that that'll 1:19:59.240 --> 1:20:02.000 buy them some time. Sure, maybe not until a couple 1:20:02.040 --> 1:20:07.120 of weeks after the debate, and then there's the Walls debate, 1:20:07.600 --> 1:20:10.200 so you know, they. 1:20:10.160 --> 1:20:12.439 Might punt it. They'll punt it for as long as 1:20:12.439 --> 1:20:14.160 the media in the public lets them get away with it. 1:20:14.600 --> 1:20:17.920 Yeah, And I actually think the media and the public 1:20:17.960 --> 1:20:20.400 are pretty much gonna let her get away with it. 1:20:20.560 --> 1:20:22.639 To be honest with you, I don't I don't see 1:20:22.720 --> 1:20:26.040 that there was like a huge real back I you know, 1:20:26.120 --> 1:20:28.559 think she probably could have. They felt pressure and the 1:20:28.600 --> 1:20:32.200 media was getting, you know, pissier and testier. There's the 1:20:32.280 --> 1:20:34.479 other danger with this is they stop liking you and 1:20:34.520 --> 1:20:36.000 they start being more aggressive with. 1:20:36.000 --> 1:20:37.559 You, start doing tougher stories. 1:20:37.880 --> 1:20:40.080 Yeah, exactly, So I think they were starting to feel 1:20:40.080 --> 1:20:42.840 some of that build. But I have a I have 1:20:42.880 --> 1:20:44.599 a feeling that you're right, that she's going to feel 1:20:44.600 --> 1:20:45.960 like I checked the box. I don't have to do 1:20:46.000 --> 1:20:46.880 this again for a while. 1:20:47.240 --> 1:20:47.439 Yep. 1:20:47.880 --> 1:20:52.160 So enjoy it, guys, All right, Ryan, thanks for doing 1:20:52.160 --> 1:20:56.280 this with me this morning. Enjoy Yeah, enjoy the long weekend, guys, 1:20:56.360 --> 1:20:58.400 Enjoy Labor Day, and we will see you back for 1:20:58.479 --> 1:20:59.639 a full breaking point show. 1:21:00.120 --> 1:21:03.639 Got the Friday Show? Actually, Oh that's right. Yeah, later today. 1:21:04.520 --> 1:21:07.120 Yeah, you guys had a rf K junior well RFK 1:21:07.240 --> 1:21:11.040 junior debate. That was Michael Tracy and then a field 1:21:11.080 --> 1:21:13.599 staff who. 1:21:12.520 --> 1:21:16.120 Was a national previous national field director for RFK kind 1:21:16.160 --> 1:21:18.439 of defending his decision to endorse Trump. 1:21:19.560 --> 1:21:21.040 I haven't checked that one out yet, so I'm like 1:21:21.080 --> 1:21:23.160 Forwared of saying that I know Michael Tracy has been 1:21:23.160 --> 1:21:25.240 going hard on the paint as he is as he 1:21:25.400 --> 1:21:29.240 is wont to do so. All right, y'all enjoy that, 1:21:29.479 --> 1:21:31.519 check out drive site News, and I will see you 1:21:31.560 --> 1:21:33.320 guys back here on Tuesday. By y'all,