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Speaker 1: Hey guys, So the much anticipated Kamala Harris plus Timwall's

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Speaker 1: good morning, how you doing.

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Speaker 2: You can tell that they waited way too long to

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Speaker 2: are reacting to it. Yeah, in real time. Trump did

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Speaker 2: like three interviews like during her interview and like whatever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they were with like who were they with? Random? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's into this the podcast world. I know he's doing

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Speaker 1: an interview with Lex Friedman. That'll be kind of interesting.

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Speaker 2: And there was one that he did with this Florida

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Speaker 2: on the constitutional amendment on abortion?

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Speaker 1: That's right, yeaheah, the abortion stuff, I guess for abortion rights.

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Speaker 1: I mean that that ballot initiative, the pro choice side

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I think now with a Trump backing it. Man,

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Speaker 1: he threw those pro lifers right under the bus, didn't he.

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Speaker 1: And he's saying he's going to do IVF for all

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Speaker 1: So anyway, I'm sure we'll get covering all of that

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Speaker 1: next week. I actually want to set up I've been

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Speaker 1: trying for breaking points to set up a abortion debate.

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Speaker 1: Is Sager and I had this debate, but we're both

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Speaker 1: pro choice, So it'd be nice to have two people

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Speaker 1: who are actually pro life debating, you know, the Trump

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Speaker 1: issues like Gaza and Palestine in there. Yeah, in any case,

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Speaker 1: so we'll get to the interview now, but before we do, Ryan,

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Speaker 1: you guys have a new story that you just broke

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Speaker 1: on drop site News, which you guys should all, by

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Speaker 1: the way, go and subscribe and support Ryan and Jeremy

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Speaker 1: over there because you're doing phenomenal work. So what do

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Speaker 1: you got?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So last night we published this piece about Ecuador.

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Speaker 2: This time from two thousand and seven to twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 2: Ecuador had a social democratic government.

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Speaker 3: They were called the Quarta.

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Speaker 2: Yastas run by Rafael Korea. In twenty seventeen. It's very

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Speaker 3: It was a bit of a coup, bizarre situation.

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Speaker 2: But what we have and the next four or five

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Speaker 2: But in general, it's more what they call law fair

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Speaker 2: So fantastic new elections coming up at the beginning of

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Speaker 1: So this is the sort of thing that was likely suspected,

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Speaker 3: Right exactly so people could check it out.

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Speaker 3: But what I was doing a deal.

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Speaker 3: To prove that, like these are theologies is authentic.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to checking that out. I'm also looking

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Speaker 1: forward to checking out your next exchange with Matthew Miller

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Speaker 3: They need it. They need a vacation from their hypocrisy,

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Speaker 4: Here we go Part one. All right, here it is

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Speaker 4: President Governor. Well, thank you so much for sitting down

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Speaker 4: with me and bringing the bus. Bus Star is well

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Speaker 5: Well, there are a number of things I will tell you.

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Speaker 6: First and foremost, one of my highest priorities is to

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Speaker 7: So what would you do? Day one?

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Speaker 1: So out of the gate, it's a very I mean,

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Speaker 1: the most obvious question was your day one agenda? Very

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Speaker 1: It reminds me someone who I mean, I'm sure she's

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Speaker 2: You remember Ted Kennedy's and I'm just going to pull

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Speaker 2: Ted Kennedy himself had been he contemplated running for president

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, you're a Kennedy, You're raised nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 2: He's asked this question and he flobbed it way worse

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Speaker 2: I'm going to like support the middle class. It feels

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Speaker 3: That codifies Roebi Wade.

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Speaker 3: Right, like things.

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Speaker 6: It's going to be about one implementing my plan for

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Speaker 6: a number of proposals in that regard, which include what

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Speaker 6: invest in families, for example, extending the Chile tax credit

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Speaker 5: So there are a number of things on day one.

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Speaker 4: Talked about you call it the opportunity economy. Are well

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Speaker 6: Well, let's start with the fact that when Joe Biden

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Speaker 6: Well, first of all, we had to recover as an economy,

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Speaker 2: To lay it, lay it out, and you deliver it well,

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Speaker 1: the concerns over pricing, is something that she is more

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Speaker 1: free to do than Joe Biden was. And of course

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden was not able really effectively to communicate about

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Speaker 1: anything at this point outside of like NATO and Aucus.

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Speaker 2: Oh and one quick thing on that, yeah, and our

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Speaker 2: Trump supporting viewers, and we love our Trump supporting viewers

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Speaker 2: are going to pick up on her thirty five dollars

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Speaker 2: insulin thing.

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Speaker 3: There.

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Speaker 2: There's become a meme that actually Trump did that, and

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Speaker 2: just the basic facts of this are Trump in mid

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty did an executive order that are basically encouraged

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Speaker 2: pharmaceutical companies or who are dealing with medicare down to

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Speaker 2: thirty five dollars a month. It did lower prices for

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Speaker 2: you know, at least probably some millions of seniors on medicare.

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Speaker 2: Good for Trump for doing that executive order, two thumbs

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Speaker 2: up for him. Biden did it through the Inflation Reduction

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Speaker 2: Act and made it mandatory for everybody, not just yet,

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Speaker 2: not just some seniors who voluntarily got a benefit from it.

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Speaker 2: So that's the difference between what they're talking about here.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to assign her any Pinocchio's or.

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Speaker 3: The way she said it there?

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Speaker 1: It was accurate.

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Speaker 3: It was actually was totally accurate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just saw some polling I can't remember.

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Speaker 1: I think it was a like progressive polster but who

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Speaker 1: pulled all of her agenda items and lowering the cost

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Speaker 1: of prescription drugs and specifically insulin was like the number

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Speaker 1: one most popular thing. So no surprise that they.

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Speaker 2: Deserve credit for that. They took on big pharma like

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Speaker 2: they legitimately did.

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Speaker 1: That's right, So no surprise that she that she emphasizes

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Speaker 1: that here.

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Speaker 7: Is a success.

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Speaker 6: I maintain that when we do the work of bringing

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Speaker 6: down prescription medication for the American people, including capping the

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Speaker 6: cost of the annual cost of prescription medication for seniors

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Speaker 6: at two thousand dollars, when we do what we did

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Speaker 6: in the first year of being in office to extend

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Speaker 6: the child tax credit so that we cut child poverty

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Speaker 6: in America by over fifty percent, When we do what

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Speaker 6: we have done to invest in the American people in

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Speaker 6: bringing manufacturing back to the United States, so that we

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Speaker 6: created over eight hundred thousand new manufacturing jobs, bringing business

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Speaker 6: back to America, what we have done to improve the

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Speaker 6: supply chain so we're not relying on foreign governments to

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Speaker 6: supply American families with their basic needs. I'll say that

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Speaker 6: that's good work. There's more to do, but that's good work.

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Speaker 1: I wond so, Ryan, before we go to the next question,

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Speaker 1: any thoughts on that piece you get asked about, like well,

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Speaker 1: did you see you think the Bidenomics is good because

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Speaker 1: you know, Bidenomics has become sort of a toxic brand

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Speaker 1: just because of how unpopular, frankly Joe Biden himself is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they rolled through that stuff again like that, that's

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Speaker 2: all great stuff. Now, the flip side of having cut

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Speaker 2: child poverty in half is that when they let it expire,

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Speaker 2: they doubled child poverty again. So you know, no credit

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Speaker 2: for that. But yes, that that agenda that was enacted

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one and into the twenty twenty two

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Speaker 2: that was a old school Europeans social welfare state that

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Speaker 2: I think the country would love to see, you know,

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Speaker 2: brought back permanently.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you look at the approval rating actually

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Speaker 1: of Joe Biden, he was at his most popular when

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Speaker 1: he was doing that, you know, social democratic welfare state

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Speaker 1: type of legislation, when people had we're benefiting from you know,

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Speaker 1: COVID supports of a wide variety, including the child tax credit,

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Speaker 1: and it's both when you know, a lot of the

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Speaker 1: story of the Biden administration is those things being cut

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Speaker 1: piece by piece by peace. You couple that with inflation

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Speaker 1: and then another pivot point. Unfortunately, the Biden administration was

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Speaker 1: when he did the right thing, which were from Afghanistan,

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Speaker 1: his approval rating takes a massive hit because of the

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Speaker 1: you know, overwhelming media onslaught and punishment, punishment of him

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Speaker 1: for doing what American people have asked him, asked presidents

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Speaker 1: to do now for years at this point, and then

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Speaker 1: you know, his decline and inability to really defend himself

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Speaker 1: or articulate what he's up to or what the agendas

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Speaker 1: or why people should believe in it, and you lead

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Speaker 1: to you know, the abysmal approval rating, a bysmal assessment

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Speaker 1: of Bidenomics, etc. That we see today.

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Speaker 4: I think it's some clarity on where you stand on

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Speaker 4: some key policy issues. Energy is a big one. When

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Speaker 4: you were in Congress, you supported the Green New Deal,

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Speaker 4: and in twenty nineteen you said, quote, there's no question

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Speaker 4: I'm in favor of banning fracking. Cracking, as you know,

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Speaker 4: is a pretty big issue, particularly in your must win

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Speaker 4: state of Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 7: Do you still want to ban fracking?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 6: And I made that clear on the debate station in

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Speaker 6: twenty twenty that I would not ban fracking. As vice president,

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Speaker 6: I did not banfracking. As president, I will not banfracking.

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Speaker 7: In twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 4: I believe at a town hall you said you were asked,

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Speaker 4: would you commit to implementing a federal ban I'm fracking

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Speaker 4: on your first Dan office and you said, there's no question,

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Speaker 4: I'm in favor of banning fracking. So yes, So it

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Speaker 4: changed in that campaign in twenty twenty. I'm very clear

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Speaker 4: where I stand.

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Speaker 6: We are in twenty twenty four, and I've not changed

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Speaker 6: that position or will I going forward.

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Speaker 5: I kept my word and I will keep my word.

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Speaker 4: What made you change that position at the time, Well, let's.

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Speaker 5: Be clear, my values have not changed.

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Speaker 6: I believe it is very important that we take seriously

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Speaker 6: what we must do to guard against what is a

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Speaker 6: clear crisis in terms of the climate. And to do that,

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Speaker 6: we can do what we have accomplished thus far, the

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Speaker 6: Inflation Reduction Act, what we have done to invest, by

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Speaker 6: my calculation, over probably a trillion dollars over the next

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Speaker 6: ten years, investing in a clean energy economy, what we've

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Speaker 6: already done creating over three hundred thousand new clean energy jobs.

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Speaker 6: That tells me, from my experience as vice president, we

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Speaker 6: can do it without banning fracking.

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Speaker 5: In fact, Dana Dan, excuse me.

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Speaker 6: I cast the tie breaking vote that actually increased leases

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Speaker 6: for cracking as vice president.

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Speaker 5: So I'm very clear about where I stand.

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Speaker 4: And was there some policy or scientific data that you

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Speaker 4: saw that you said, oh, okay, I get it.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 6: What I have seen is that we can we can grow,

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Speaker 6: and we can increase a thriving clean energy economy without

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Speaker 6: banning fracking.

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Speaker 1: So there you go. That's part one. There's three parts

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Speaker 1: here that we want to get through. But what do

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Speaker 1: you make that fracking exchange? Try? It is free, slivery

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Speaker 1: is very slivery. It's just tough.

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Speaker 2: It's just tough because the honest answer is I was

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Speaker 2: pandering to the Sunrise movement and the youth vote, trying

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Speaker 2: to win the Democratic nomination for president in a period

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Speaker 2: where the left was ascendant.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: I failed at that, and now I'm doing a different

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Speaker 2: political thing.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: So the I think, if you're not going to.

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Speaker 2: Be honest about it, like the best approach would be,

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Speaker 2: I get you know, if you had to clearly, they

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Speaker 2: workshop like, all right, how do we answer this and

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Speaker 2: not sound like complete frauds to say, okay, look, at

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Speaker 2: the time, I thought you needed to ban fracking in

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Speaker 2: order to confront climate change. But now I think you

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Speaker 2: can actually confront climate change without banning fracking. Now that's

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Speaker 2: a lie. It's blah blah blah blah blah. But like,

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Speaker 2: I guess that's the best you can come up with.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how how if you were Kamala Harris

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Speaker 2: without saying I was lying because I was pandering to

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Speaker 2: youth voters, like would you?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you could frame pandering in a

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Speaker 1: positive light of like, I'm responding to what voters what

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Speaker 1: votvoters won, right, and at the time, voters were saying

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Speaker 1: we want you to ban fragging. Sorry the dog is

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Speaker 1: in here now she's moving everything. But U you know,

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Speaker 1: so you could frame pandering as like being responsive to

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Speaker 1: the world of voters. But no, I think that saying

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Speaker 1: my values are the same, but you know, new information,

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Speaker 1: I realize that we can now do this without banning bracking.

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Speaker 1: I think probably is the best that you can do.

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Speaker 1: And I mean it's fair to say that.

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Speaker 3: There's would to win the election and that hasn't changed.

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Speaker 1: True, true, I mean I think she could fairly claim that, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, technological developments are changing what's possible blah blah blah,

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Speaker 1: But the part that to me came off as the

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Speaker 1: most weasley is when she said something like, you know,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, I stood on the stage and said I

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Speaker 1: would not ban fragging or something like that, and Dana

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Speaker 1: meet It is like, yeah, but three minutes before that,

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Speaker 1: you were saying the polar opposite, which is kind of

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Speaker 1: the point here. So there's no real wiggling out of this.

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Speaker 1: And she comes back because this is not the only

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Speaker 1: position that she's changed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she ran as Bernie in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for a while. And then also, you know, she

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Speaker 1: starts off supporting Medicare for all because she thinks that's

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Speaker 1: the thing. Then she gets Donor push back. Then she

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Speaker 1: moved off of that even at the time. So so

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Speaker 1: in any case, yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Think her argument was I flip flopped on this four years.

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Speaker 1: Ago, right, Yeah, I have a long flip flopped on that.

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Speaker 1: I moved off this a long time ago. W Are

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Speaker 1: you still talking to me about it now? I think

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Speaker 1: one other thing that I'll say is there is a

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Speaker 1: lot of justified criticism of Kamala Harris just very clearly

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Speaker 1: shifting her positions depending on what she thinks is advantageous.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about Trump earlier on abortion, like he

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Speaker 1: does the same thing, perhaps even more shamelessly because he

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Speaker 1: is there a position on abortion that he hasn't held

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Speaker 1: at this point, right, not yet, you know, from planned

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Speaker 1: parenthood supporter to saying that he's so pro life that

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Speaker 1: women should be criminally punished if they have an abortion,

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Speaker 1: to now being you know, kind of going coming back

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Speaker 1: to the pro choice side of things, Like he literally

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Speaker 1: shape shifts even sometimes within the same conversation. But he's

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Speaker 1: just much more difficult to kind of pin down on

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Speaker 1: those things. So people people don't this isn't the line

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Speaker 1: of attack that they take against Trump, that he's a

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Speaker 1: flip flopper for whatever reason. I'm not really sure why

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Speaker 1: that is. But they don't think that they would be

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Speaker 1: able to really nail him with that charge, right.

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Speaker 3: Right, right, Yeah, nobody thinks he has convictions.

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Speaker 1: True. Yeah, they're not expected supports. Yeah, true. All right,

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Speaker 1: let me pull up part two here, here we go. Okay, Oh,

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Speaker 1: by the way, I just want to mention I have

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Speaker 1: this on one point two five speed just to not

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Speaker 1: you know, make people think that I'm manipulating the video

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Speaker 1: or whatever, just to get through it a little bit quicker.

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Speaker 4: As vice president, you were tasked with addressing the root

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Speaker 4: causes of migration in southern countries, and not a part

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Speaker 4: of Central America, the northern part of of of Central

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Speaker 4: America that deals with that affects the southern border of

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Speaker 4: the US. During that Biden Harris administry, there were record

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Speaker 4: numbers of illegal border crossings. Why did the Biden Harris

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Speaker 4: administration wait three and a half years to implement sweeping

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Speaker 4: asylum restrictions.

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Speaker 6: Well, first of all, the root causes work that I

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Speaker 6: did as Vice president, that I was asked to do

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Speaker 6: by the President has actually resulted in a number of benefits,

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Speaker 6: including historic investments by American businesses in that region. The

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Speaker 6: number of immigrants coming from that region has actually reduced

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Speaker 6: since we began that work. But I will say this

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Speaker 6: that Joe Biden and I in our administration worked with

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Speaker 6: members of the United States Congress on an immigration issue

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Speaker 6: that is very significant to the American people and for

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Speaker 6: our security, which is the border. And through bipartisan work,

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Speaker 6: including some of the most conservative members of the United

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Speaker 6: States Congress, a bill was crafted which we supported, which

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Speaker 6: I support, and Donald Trump got word of this bill

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Speaker 6: that would have contributed to securing our border, and because

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Speaker 6: he believes that it would not have helped him politically,

671
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Speaker 6: he told his folks in Congress, don't put it forward.

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Speaker 6: He killed a bill, a border security bill that would

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Speaker 6: have put fifteen hundred more agents on the border.

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Speaker 5: And let me tell you something.

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Speaker 6: The Border patrol endorsed the bill, and I'm sure, and

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Speaker 6: I'm sure in large part because they knew they were

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Speaker 6: working around the clock and fifteen hundred more agents would

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Speaker 6: help them. That bill would have allowed us to increase

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Speaker 6: seizures of fentanyl. Ask any community in America that has

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Speaker 6: been devastated by fentanyl what passing that bill would have

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Speaker 6: done to address their concern and pain that they see?

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Speaker 7: You are so you would push that legislation again. I

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Speaker 7: just want to push it.

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Speaker 5: I will make sure that it comes to my desk

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Speaker 5: and I would sign it.

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Speaker 4: There's one other question about something that you said in

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Speaker 4: twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I've talked to you Ryan about

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Speaker 1: this whole. Democrats think they were so clever with this whole.

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Speaker 1: We're going to adopt the Trump border agenda and then,

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Speaker 1: you know, try to get Republicans to pass it and

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Speaker 1: then do this gotcha. Ah see, we did a jiu

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Speaker 1: jitsu move, and actually we're the real border hawks, and

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Speaker 1: we're the ones that really want to do the fascism

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Speaker 1: on the border. I think that this is both immoral

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Speaker 1: and the wrong policy. But I also think, and it's

697
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Speaker 1: the critical part, is it decoupled what has long been

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Speaker 1: the path of having comprehensive immigration reform path citizenship and

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Speaker 1: the you know, the border sort of crackdown measures. And

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Speaker 1: they just took out the border crackdown measures and just

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Speaker 1: try to pass that. They thought this was a brilliant

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Speaker 1: jiu jitsu move. Meanwhile, I'm sure you saw this. Paul

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Speaker 1: Soger and I talked about it on the show. Because

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Speaker 1: Democrats have accepted the Republican framing on immigration, and also

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Speaker 1: because of the reality of high number of border crossings

706
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Speaker 1: and you know, migrants being busted into blue cities, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Higher immigration has never been more unpopular, and decreasing immigration

708
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Speaker 1: has never been more popular. So basically, under Trump, actually

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Speaker 1: immigrants were more popular than ever before, and now under

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Speaker 1: Biden they are, you know, at low in terms of

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Speaker 1: support for increasing levels of migration. I really owe it

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Speaker 1: to this political philosophy, which I think is utterly foolish

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Speaker 1: outside of you know, again, I think im moral wrong

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Speaker 1: in terms of what would actually be good for the country,

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Speaker 1: et cetera.

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Speaker 2: And we already have multiple experiments of this being tried

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Speaker 2: in Europe. All the center left European parties when there

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Speaker 2: was a migration surge over the last ten years in Europe,

719
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Speaker 2: swung far right to try to say that they were

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Speaker 2: just as tough on immigrants as the right wing, but

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Speaker 2: they were going to be more humane, you know, and

722
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Speaker 2: liberal and reasonable about it, and they all were obliterated,

723
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Speaker 2: Like there's basically no center left left right in Europe.

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Speaker 3: Or you can think.

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Speaker 2: About the clip of oh, I guess we didn't play

726
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Speaker 2: the Trump clip, but that of Trump talking about abortion

727
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Speaker 2: rights with this Florida reporter. So now he's pro choice,

728
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Speaker 2: he's going to vote against the constitutional Amendment. You know,

729
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Speaker 2: he's going to vote for basically, you know, allowing abortion.

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Speaker 3: In Florida all the way.

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Speaker 1: Up to liability. Yeah, it's like it's basically codifying row

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Speaker 1: in Florida effectively.

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Speaker 2: So, first of all, does anybody believe as a result

734
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Speaker 2: of Trump saying that that Republicans are good on abortion

735
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Speaker 2: and rights?

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Speaker 1: Like nobody believes that, Yeah, and you're literally the guy

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Speaker 1: who put these justices on the bench.

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Speaker 2: So in the same way, does anybody believe that Democrats

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Speaker 2: are the ones, like, if you really want somebody who's

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Speaker 2: going to crack down on the border, of course, is

741
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Speaker 2: it going to be Democrats Republicans?

742
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Speaker 4: Of course?

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Speaker 2: But what will Trump's capitulation on abortion rights?

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Speaker 3: Due to the polling, There'll be some.

745
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Speaker 2: Trump supporters who are like, you know what, like you

746
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Speaker 2: said that that Florida amendment now will probably pass in

747
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Speaker 2: like massively, like with bigger numbers than it would have otherwise.

748
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Speaker 2: And so in this and you see the flip side

749
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Speaker 2: on immigration, the numbers moving, people are like, all right, well,

750
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Speaker 2: if Democrats are for this and Republicans are for this,

751
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Speaker 2: let's do it. If you but you know, in your

752
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Speaker 2: debate with Zier, you guys talked about how there's a

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Speaker 2: correlation between you know, illegal crossings and people's you know,

754
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Speaker 2: anger at abortion, at immigration, and the desire to reduce

755
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Speaker 2: those those crossings. So what you could do is actually

756
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Speaker 2: do what Kama was talking about is a root causes.

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Speaker 3: It's true that.

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Speaker 2: In hunter Us, Guatemala and El Salvador, where you know,

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Speaker 2: she was tasked with like reducing outflow. There has been

760
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Speaker 2: a reduction in outflow that doesn't have a lot to

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Speaker 2: do with what the US did. A lot of bucelli

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Speaker 2: uh In Honduras you have a social democratic and shamr

763
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Speaker 2: Castro come in who made things a little bit better.

764
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Speaker 2: Uh So, but a lot of that migrants are coming

765
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Speaker 2: from Haiti, uh, Venezuela and Cuba, and they're all coming.

766
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Speaker 3: As a result of US policies.

767
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Speaker 2: So we could, like, if Democrats actually want to do

768
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Speaker 2: something about it, rather than trying to act like Republicans,

769
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Speaker 2: they could actually just stop sanctioning Venezuela, stop messing with

770
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Speaker 2: and destroying Haiti, and stop sanctioning and destroying Cuba, and

771
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Speaker 2: boom like something. Some massive portion of the migration flow Intoto,

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Speaker 2: the border stops cold.

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Speaker 3: People would prefer to stay where they are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we flatter ourselves come here. That's not right, Like

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Speaker 2: if you live in Venezuela or Cue, but you want

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Speaker 2: to stay there.

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Speaker 1: The other thing is we are in a different place

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Speaker 1: economically than we were, like when Trump was first running

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Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, and if you take him seriously about

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Speaker 1: literally deporting all twelve fifteen million. However, many undocumented immigrants

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Speaker 1: that we have here, the level of economic catastrophe that

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Speaker 1: would be is basically unfathomable. I mean, we have a

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Speaker 1: low unemployment rate. Now, the wages aren't high enough, there's

784
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Speaker 1: a lot of problems in the labor market, but it's

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Speaker 1: actually not a high unemployment rate. There isn't a massive,

786
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Speaker 1: you know, unemployed group of laborers out there waiting to

787
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Speaker 1: you know, pick the strawberries in the field, or lay

788
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Speaker 1: the roofing in the construcer, or help build the houses

789
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Speaker 1: that we desperately need to build in this country. Yeah,

790
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Speaker 1: that's exactly right. I mean, if you just look at

791
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Speaker 1: the instead, the most salient issue that people tell us

792
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Speaker 1: over and over again is their biggest economic concern is prices.

793
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Speaker 1: If you genuinely kicked out of the country all fifteen

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Speaker 1: million of those workers or whatever, the number is, the

795
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Speaker 1: amount that the prices of all of your grocery items

796
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Speaker 1: and of every new house, the amount that with skyrocket

797
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Speaker 1: is literally insane, not to mention, you know, the massive

798
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Speaker 1: cost to the state of and what an incredible imposition

799
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Speaker 1: you talk about the deep state or the police state

800
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Speaker 1: or whatever, like, it's unfathomable how you would have to

801
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Speaker 1: crack down and surveil and militarize this response to round

802
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Speaker 1: all of these people up, many of whom have been

803
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Speaker 1: here for many years, etc. Like if you actually take

804
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Speaker 1: it at face value from an economic perspective, it's utterly insane.

805
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Speaker 1: But you know, again, no one is making that argument,

806
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Speaker 1: no one, So of course the public is like, oh, well,

807
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: Democrats and the Republicans agree, So I guess they're right.

808
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Speaker 1: I guess we just need to do this border crackdown

809
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: and that's that. And these immigrants are just bad in

810
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Speaker 1: every single way, which of course is not the reality

811
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Speaker 1: of you know, the immigrant population, both legal and illegal,

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Speaker 1: that we have in this country at this point. Yeah,

813
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Speaker 1: all right, let's see what we got next.

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Speaker 7: When you first ran, there was a debate.

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Speaker 4: You raised your hand when asked whether or not the

816
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Speaker 4: border should be decriminalized.

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Speaker 5: Do you still believe that? I believe there should be consequence.

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Speaker 6: We have laws that have to be followed and enforced

819
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Speaker 6: that address and deal with people who cross our border illegally,

820
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Speaker 6: and there should be consequence. And let's be clear, in

821
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Speaker 6: this race, I'm the only person who has prosecuted transnational

822
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Speaker 6: criminal organizations who trafficking guns, drugs, and human beings. I'm

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Speaker 6: the only person in this race who actually served a

824
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Speaker 6: border state as attorney general to enforce our laws, and

825
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Speaker 6: I would enforce our laws as president going forward.

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Speaker 5: I recognize the.

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Speaker 4: Problem generally speaking, how should voters look at some of

828
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Speaker 4: the changes that you've made that you've explained some of

829
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Speaker 4: here in your policy. Is it because you have more

830
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Speaker 4: experience now and you've learned more about the information. Is

831
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Speaker 4: it because you were running for president in a Democratic primary?

832
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Speaker 4: And should they feel comfortable and confident that what you're

833
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Speaker 4: saying now is going to be your policy moving forward?

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Speaker 6: Dan, I think the most important and most significant aspect

835
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Speaker 6: of my policy perspective and decisions is my values have

836
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Speaker 6: not changed.

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Speaker 5: You mentioned the Green New Deal.

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Speaker 6: I have always believed, and I've worked on it, that

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Speaker 6: the climate crisis is real, that it is an urgent

840
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Speaker 6: matter to which we should apply metrics that include holding

841
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Speaker 6: ourselves to deadlines around time. We did that with the

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Speaker 6: Inflation Reduction Act. We have set goals for the United

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Speaker 6: States of America and by extension, the globe around when

844
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Speaker 6: we should meet certain standards for reduction of greenhouse gas emissions.

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Speaker 6: As an example, that value has not changed. My value

846
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Speaker 6: around what we need to do to secure our border.

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Speaker 6: That value has not changed. I spent two terms as

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Speaker 6: the Attorney General of California prosecuting transnational criminal organization violations

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Speaker 6: of American laws regarding the passage illegal passage of guns, drugs,

850
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Speaker 6: and human beings across our border.

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Speaker 5: My values have not changed. So that is the reality

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Speaker 5: of it.

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Speaker 6: And four years of being vice president, I'll tell you

854
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Speaker 6: one of the aspects to your point is traveling the

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Speaker 6: country extensively.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm here in Georgia.

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Speaker 6: I think somebody told me seventeen times since I've been

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Speaker 6: vice president in Georgia alone. I believe it is important

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Speaker 6: to build consensus, and it is important to find a

860
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Speaker 6: commonplace of understanding of where we can actually solve problems.

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Speaker 1: On that note, any any reflections on that part. First

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Speaker 1: of all, her favorite phraseology at this point is transnational

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Speaker 1: criminal gangs. She tries to say that as much as

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Speaker 1: you possibly can.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the same problem that she has with all

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Speaker 2: of the other, you know, left wing positions that she

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Speaker 2: took in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's the same.

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Speaker 2: Like say, like it's I'm just I was pandering then

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Speaker 2: I'm pandering like it's there's no good answer.

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Speaker 3: You just flip through you try.

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Speaker 1: Got it questions. Yeah, you just got to stick to

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Speaker 1: the script and hope that the questioner moves on.

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Speaker 4: Ultimately, you had a lot of Republican speakers at the convention.

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Speaker 4: Will you appoint the Republican to your cabinet? Yes?

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Speaker 5: I would, no one, no one in particular mine.

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Speaker 6: I got it sixty eight days to go with the selection,

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Speaker 6: so I'm not putting the car before the horse, but

879
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Speaker 6: I would. I think I think it's really important. I

880
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 6: have spent my career inviting diversity of opinion. I think

881
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 6: it's important to have people at the table and when

882
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 6: some of the most important decisions are being made that

883
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 6: have different views, different experiences, And I think it would

884
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 6: be to the benefit of the American public to have

885
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 6: a member of my cabinet who was a Republican.

886
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: What did you think of that, Ryan, Because there was

887
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: a lot of online commentary on the left about this comment.

888
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: Because everyone immediately is like, wait a minute, you can

889
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 2: have a Republican in your cabinet, but you can't even

890
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 2: have a palse stinting and give a two minute vetted

891
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 2: speech on stage at the DNC where they're supporting you.

892
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: So I think that part punched a lot of people

893
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 2: in the face. But in general, like you know, Obama

894
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 2: had ray La Hood as his Transportation secretary, this like

895
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 2: moderate Republican, and you know he did find as a

896
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 2: transportation secretary.

897
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, you.

898
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 2: Can find a Republican who's going to There's also now

899
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 2: like so many cabinet positions. They've elevated a whole bunch

900
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 2: of things to quote quote unquote cabinet level positions that

901
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 2: you can you can harmlessly toss one of those to

902
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 2: a Republican if it, you know, if you think there's

903
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 2: some political benefit and you're gonna win over the Bill

904
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: Crystals and other never Trump Republicans.

905
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I do think like, even though

906
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: we may discount it, there are a lot of like

907
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: you know, moderate subourban, formerly Republican whatever who see that

908
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: hear those and like, oh, she's you know, the party

909
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: that's very reasonable you hear from. Yeah, exactly right. Yeah,

910
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: I mean I sort of felt the same. I felt

911
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: all of those emotions because the point about like, oh,

912
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: you know, all they ever do is reach out to

913
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: Republicans and punch the left right, and and for the

914
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: beginning of the Harris campaign, which is now all of

915
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: like a month old, you didn't see a lot of that.

916
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: I mean, the choice of Tim Walls was the most

917
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: dramatic break from that pattern. I just assumed, like, oh,

918
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: progressives want this guy, the left wants this guy. There's

919
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: no way it's going to be Tim Walls. And then

920
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: that comes as as a major shock at the convention,

921
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: and in this interview you get the sense that those

922
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: old Democratic Party patterns are taking hold. And it's almost like,

923
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: you know, there's the classic political theory of like, oh,

924
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: in the primary, they you know, they dance this way,

925
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: and then the general election they go back the other way,

926
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 1: the like primary general election two step, And I guess

927
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 1: that's happening here is just in a very condensed timeline,

928
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 1: since there wasn't you know, really a prime, there wasn't

929
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: a primary at all, and so she went from two

930
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: weeks of being relatively benevolent towards the left to now

931
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: doing the normal Democratic leg general election. You know, I'm

932
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: going to get a Republican in my cabinet thing. I

933
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: will say, some people online were floating like, hey, why

934
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: don't you pick like Susan Collins, for example, or like

935
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: another Republican senator in a state with a you know

936
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: that a Democrat could win, or that has a democratic

937
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: governor that appoints the senator, et cetera, et cetera. So

938
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: I don't on its face, I don't hate having the

939
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: idea of having a modern Republican in especially if it

940
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: kind of gives you cover to do something that's meaningless

941
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: as a gesture to the right, but then have an

942
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: agenda that's actually like populous in the way that the

943
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: agenda she has announced is populist and does represent, you know,

944
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: some of the better parts of the of the Biden administration.

945
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to ask you about your opponents, Donald Trump.

946
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 7: I was a little bit surprised.

947
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 4: People might be surprised to hear that you have never

948
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 4: interacted with him, met him face to face.

949
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 7: That's going to change soon.

950
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: But what I want to ask you, have you met

951
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:25,919
Speaker 1: Trump face to face?

952
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 3: Ryan been in rooms? But not No, not really, so I.

953
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: Actually I actually this was surprised. I didn't know she'd

954
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: never met him. I actually give you back. Okay. The

955
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: White House correspondents dinner after the one where Obama humiliated

956
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: him I was doing like a red carpet interview thing

957
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: for MSNBC and him and Malania Kane. And this was

958
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: back when he was teasing that he might run, but

959
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: it hadn't actually been and no one was taking him seriously, right,

960
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: And I was like, Okay, yeah, whatever, this is just

961
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: a stunt to help you with your apprentice brand, which

962
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,479
Speaker 1: may have been true by the way, anyway, So yeah,

963
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: I him the question. I was asked, like, hey, what

964
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: happened with those private investigators down in Hawaii that you

965
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: were sending to look at Obama's birth certificate? And he

966
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: was like that was That's the wrong question, Crystal, That's

967
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: the wrong question.

968
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 2: I was at that dinner too. My table was actually

969
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 2: really close to his. I was just watching him the

970
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 2: whole time, and his face was just boiling.

971
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So anyway, funny that she's never met him

972
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 1: face to face.

973
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 7: About is what he said last month.

974
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 4: He suggested that you happened to turn black recently for

975
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 4: political purposes, questioning a core park of your identity, any same.

976
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 6: Old tired playbook, Next question, please, that's it?

977
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: Okay, great answer. Best part of the interview, in my opinion,

978
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: like learned a lot from the failures of the Hillary

979
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: Clinton campaign. This is exactly and so different from how

980
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 1: Democrats have handled Trump the entire time, which would any

981
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: other moment this would have launched into some long moralizing

982
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: hi about it and this would have been a multi

983
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: weak news cycle, and instead, because of the way she

984
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: handled it at the time, which was also very dismissive,

985
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: like this, everybody just moved on and it didn't work.

986
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: It didn't work.

987
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, makes them look weird and like a loser.

988
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, and they're just like okay, whatever, moving on. Yeah,

989
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: this is exactly and just an overall note, Dan, I

990
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: think at one point we'll get to it. Asked her

991
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 1: specifically about her identity, but very different from the Hillary

992
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: Clinton campaign. She really does have the idea the sense

993
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: of like people can see I'm a black woman, like

994
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: I don't need to talk about it, you know, the

995
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: trailblazing status or it's that's obvious and it's not what

996
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 1: people care about, and sort of narcissistic to always constantly

997
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: be leaning into like what this means for me personally

998
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 1: on my journey of self discovery and you know, and ambition.

999
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: So I think they've been very that's been one of

1000
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: the smarter aspects of this campaign.

1001
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's talk about some foreign policy issues that would

1002
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 4: be on your if you become commander in chief. President

1003
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 4: Biden has tried unsuccessfully to end the war between Israel

1004
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 4: and Hamas in Daza.

1005
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 7: He's been doing it for months and months along with you.

1006
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 4: Would you do anything differently, for example, would you withhold

1007
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 4: some US weapons shipments to Israel? That's what a lot

1008
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 4: of people on the progressive left want you to do.

1009
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 5: Let me be very clear.

1010
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 6: I am unequivocal and unwavering in my commitment Israel's defense

1011
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 6: and its ability to defend itself, and that's not going

1012
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 6: to change.

1013
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 5: But let's take a step back.

1014
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 6: October seven, twelve hundred people are massacred, many young people

1015
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 6: who are simply attending a music festival.

1016
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 5: Women were horribly raped.

1017
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 6: As I said then, I say today Israel had a right,

1018
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 6: has a right to defend itself. We would and how

1019
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 6: it does so matters. Far too many innocent Palestinians have

1020
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 6: been killed. And we have got to get a deal done.

1021
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 6: We were in Doha. We have to get a deal done.

1022
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 6: This war must and we must get a deal that

1023
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 6: is about getting the hostages out I've met with the

1024
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 6: families of the American hostages. Let's get the hostages out,

1025
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 6: Let's get the ceasefire done.

1026
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 7: But no change of policy in terms of arms and

1027
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 7: so forth.

1028
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 6: No, we have to get a deal done, Dana. We

1029
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 6: have to get a deal done. When you look at

1030
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 6: the significance of this to the families, to the people

1031
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 6: who are living in that region, a deal is not

1032
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 6: only the right thing to do to end this war,

1033
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 6: but will unlock so much of what must happen next.

1034
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 6: I remain committed since I've been on October eighth to

1035
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 6: what we must do to work toward a two state

1036
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 6: solution where Israel is secure and an equal measure Palestinians

1037
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 6: have security and self determination and dignity.

1038
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 2: Your thoughts, Ryan Well, Dana said some weapons. Maybe Harris

1039
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 2: didn't even pick up on that.

1040
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, by like completely weapons, you know.

1041
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 3: Self weapons.

1042
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 2: The Biden administration has even said that they would restrict

1043
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 2: weapons like the two thousand pound bombs used for offensive purposes.

1044
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 3: Like Harris.

1045
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 2: People keep saying that Harris is better rhetorically and you

1046
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 2: know more, you know, more empathetic. Where's where's the empathy there?

1047
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: Like when when you're actually not even standing by the

1048
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 2: tiniest of concessions that the Biden administration, her administration has

1049
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 2: has made, seems like she, you know, she very clearly

1050
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 2: wants to just say she unequivocally, unconditionally whatever supports you know,

1051
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 2: Israel's right to defend itself. Whereas even Biden say, well

1052
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 2: that maybe the two thousand pound bombs dropped on refugee camps,

1053
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 2: we're not gonna we're not gonna allow that, or at

1054
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 2: least we won't allow it for like a two week

1055
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 2: pause period.

1056
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's such a great point that she could

1057
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: have really leaned into. I mean, it's kind of bullshit

1058
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: because they ultimately release those whatever right and have given

1059
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: Israel ultimately everything Israel could possibly want and more, But

1060
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: is enough of a fig leaf to allow her to

1061
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 1: create some sense of separation at least from the Biden

1062
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: administration by leaning into that. Listen, we did this with

1063
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 1: the Biden you know, with Joe Biden, we said this

1064
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: is unacceptable, and we did withhold it and I would

1065
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: do I would I keep that option on the table,

1066
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: you know, so there was a way to say this

1067
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: with you know, there's such concern on this one issue

1068
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:25,720
Speaker 1: there's such concern about a clear break with the Biden policy.

1069
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: There's no concern on that and on literally any other issue.

1070
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: But she clearly feels like or you know, also maybe

1071
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: just ideologically believes or feels that that's less likely, because

1072
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: I don't think she has ideological beliefs, but she feels

1073
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 1: this is where the pressure is, as she needs to

1074
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: prove how committed to Israel she is, and she doesn't

1075
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 1: feel as much pressure from the left for whatever reason,

1076
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: whatever political calculus she's doing, which by the way, I

1077
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: think is foolish when you look just look at the polls.

1078
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, on this one issue, she feels like, oh,

1079
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:55,959
Speaker 1: I have to just stay locked up with the Biden

1080
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: administration not show any sort of you know, distance, And

1081
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of I think that's an excuse,

1082
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: Like I think that's I see people making that excuse

1083
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 1: for I think that's kind of a bullshit excuse.

1084
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 2: And when Dana Bash says that this is what the

1085
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 2: progressive left wants you to do, it's true that the

1086
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 2: progressive left wants you to do that, but so does

1087
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 2: more than sixty percent of the country.

1088
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 1: Yes, that's right, that's exactly.

1089
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 2: Great approval for Biden's Israel policy is in the twenties.

1090
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 2: It's like it's he's less popular on his Israel policy

1091
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 2: than he is on his approach to.

1092
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 3: Inflation and immigration.

1093
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Speaker 2: That's right exact, breaking with him would be a political benefit.

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Speaker 2: And then she leans in to this the mass rape claim,

1095
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Speaker 2: because she understands that there's absolutely no consequences, you know,

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Speaker 2: for saying that, despite the fact that there is not

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Speaker 2: yet evidence of that being the case.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: In fact, Israel so desperate to produce him evidence. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if you saw this last week. Yeah, this,

1101
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Speaker 2: this Facebook group produced a letter that we now have

1102
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Speaker 2: confirmed is a complete hoax, making up, making up like

1103
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Speaker 2: the most horrific things, and you know, it spent a

1104
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Speaker 2: week getting shared by prominent journalists and then the admission

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Speaker 2: that it was actually a hoax was.

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Speaker 1: Just you know, quiet just gets buried. Yeah. And meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: on the contrary, we have seen on camera IDF soldiers

1108
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Speaker 1: gang raping a Palestinian prisoner and that.

1109
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 2: Somehows dozens of cases like confirmed by.

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Speaker 1: The Human Rights human rights organization, so and so, we

1111
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: have lots of documented evidence of systematized sexual assault of

1112
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,240
Speaker 1: Palestinians who are being held in this you know, prison

1113
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: concentration camp so bad that even the Israelis felt like, oh,

1114
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: we got to at least pretend like we might might

1115
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,760
Speaker 1: prosecute some of these guys and then come under massive,

1116
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Speaker 1: you know, pressure and huge backlash from their own citizenry.

1117
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, that that somehow never gets mentioned. So I

1118
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Speaker 1: had a question for you specifically because you've done so

1119
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:06,240
Speaker 1: much work reporting on the political incentives and shaping of

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Speaker 1: you know, the Israel Palestine conflicting this war. Specifically, my

1121
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: hope for Kamala Harris was kind of the hope of like,

1122
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: this is just a political cipher, Like she doesn't believe anything.

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Speaker 1: Biden is an ideological Zionist. You were not moving him

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00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: off that position, period, end of story. My hope was

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Speaker 1: that she would look at the polling that you mentioned, like, hey,

1126
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 1: you know, this isn't just the progressive left. A clear

1127
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 1: majority of the country, including a very clear majority of

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Speaker 1: independence Republicans are the only want to post to this,

1129
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: and they're they're not even they're not voting for you anyway,

1130
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: so don't worry about them. They want to ceasefire, but

1131
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: they they want to see weapons. They don't want their

1132
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: taxpayer dollars going to drop bombs and children who are

1133
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: in tents in refugee camps. They don't want that. And

1134
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of polling at this point about

1135
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: how just pure cynical electoral calculus, you stand more, you

1136
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: have more to gain from taking the position of the

1137
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: quote unquote program have left then continuing to do this

1138
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: whole Israel has a right to defend themselves no matter what,

1139
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: and yes they can do a genocide, and yes they

1140
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: can drop the bombs on the babies in the tents

1141
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: and have a polio epidemic and whatever endlessly, and I'll

1142
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 1: never do anything about it. That was my hope. But

1143
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like she's making that calculus. It seems

1144
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: like she feels. The pressure she feels is the pressure

1145
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: that Democrats and Republicans, but Democrats in particular have felt

1146
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: from time immemorial that they can't piss off you know,

1147
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: the Israel lobby or you know, the people for whom

1148
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: this is a die hard commitment to the end of time.

1149
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think part of it is that ingrained fear

1150
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 2: of decades of that commitment to the pro Israel lobby.

1151
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 2: And then I think also my guess is that the

1152
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 2: campaign is nervous about what's going to happen on college

1153
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 2: campuses between now and the election, and they think that.

1154
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: Well, she's not helping things with these kind of comments.

1155
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 2: No, right, No, that's an interesting point. Yes, she will

1156
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,919
Speaker 2: make things worse. Like the way to end these camp

1157
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 2: protests is to get a cease fire deal and just

1158
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 2: force it, like a really government already put forward a

1159
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 2: proposal that Hamas accepted.

1160
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 3: Just implement it. Just do that like you could do that.

1161
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 2: You're the United States of America, the most powerful empire

1162
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 2: in world history. Not doing that is going to inflame

1163
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 2: campus protests for the next two months, and I think

1164
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 2: that they don't want to be at all associated with

1165
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 2: those campus protests.

1166
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: Not to mention, the longer this goes on, the more

1167
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: likely you are to have a larger regional war. That

1168
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 1: means that not only are you going to be hobbled

1169
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: politically in terms of getting yourself elected right now, but

1170
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: your whole presidency is going to be handstrung by being

1171
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: tied once again into an unpopular war in the Middle

1172
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Speaker 1: East and whatever you know, thoughts you may potentially theoretically

1173
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: have about a child tax credit et cetera. Like, all

1174
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: of that is going to be undercut if you are

1175
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 1: boxed in in the way that Phoebe wants to box you. First,

1176
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: he wants you to lose, okay, doing his best to

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Speaker 1: make sure that that happens. And if by some you

1178
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,439
Speaker 1: know chance, you were able to win in spite of

1179
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 1: his efforts, he wants to box you in, so you

1180
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: have no exit and it's you know, dramatically politically unpopular

1181
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: for you to leave at that point. So yeah, I

1182
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 1: mean there they have fallen into his traps every step

1183
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: of the way. And I didn't expect her to have

1184
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: any like worl qualms. I thought it would all be

1185
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: ambition driven. But she seems to be engaging in the

1186
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 1: same like outdated, foolish political calculus that leads her into

1187
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 1: the same, you know, foolish bear hug position of Joe Biden,

1188
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: and that is deeply, deeply disappointing. Yep, all right, I

1189
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,879
Speaker 1: got the part three here, last piece, I go ahead

1190
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: and pull this up. Here we go.

1191
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Speaker 7: Country is just starting to get to know you.

1192
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 4: I want to ask you a question about how you've

1193
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 4: described your service in the National Guard. You said that

1194
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 4: you carried weapons in war, but you have never deployed

1195
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 4: actually in a war zone.

1196
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 7: Beneficials said that you misspoke, did you well, First of.

1197
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 8: All, I'm incredibly proud I've done twenty four years of

1198
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 8: wearing uniform of this country. Equally proud of my service

1199
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Speaker 8: in a public school classroom, whether it's Congress or the governor.

1200
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 8: My record speaks for itself. But I think people are

1201
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 8: coming to get to know me. I speak like they do.

1202
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 8: I speak candidately, I wear my emotions on my sleeves,

1203
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 8: and I speak especially passionately abo about our children being

1204
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 8: shot in schools and around guns. So I think people

1205
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 8: know me, they know who I am, they know where

1206
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 8: my heart is. And again, my record has been out

1207
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 8: there for over forty years to be for itself.

1208
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 4: And the idea that you said that you were in war,

1209
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 4: did you mis speak as the campaign has.

1210
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 8: Had, Yeah, I said we were talking about in this case,

1211
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 8: this was after school shooting, the ideas of carrying these

1212
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 8: weapons of war and my wife the English tour. My

1213
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 8: grammar's not always correct, but again, if it's not this

1214
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 8: it's an attack on my children for showing love for me,

1215
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 8: or it's.

1216
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 3: An attack on my dog.

1217
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 8: I'm not going to do that. And the one thing

1218
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 8: I'll never do is I'll never to meet another member's

1219
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 8: service in any way.

1220
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 3: I never have and I never will.

1221
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: What do you think ran.

1222
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 2: He forgot in the first answer to contextualize it, and

1223
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 2: Dana kind of like helps him out and with the

1224
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 2: follow up answer. His quote where he said he carried

1225
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 2: weapons in war was in this congressional debate about an

1226
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 2: assault weapon ban in the wake of a school shooting,

1227
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 2: so he was indeed talking about weapons of war. The

1228
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 2: way he said it was quite misleading. He said I've

1229
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 2: carried weapons in war war. He should have contextualized what

1230
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 2: the debate was first. I also think he should just

1231
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 2: let people know what the argument is about because so

1232
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 2: many people are not following it.

1233
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Speaker 3: He deployed as part of Operation Enduring Freedom to Europe.

1234
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 2: Where Turkey, I think it was Italy Italy, So he

1235
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 2: deployed as part of OEF, and it is understandable he

1236
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 2: could say. It's understandable that people who are not in

1237
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 2: the military hear me say that I deployed as part

1238
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 2: of OEF, think that the deployment was either in Afghanistan

1239
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 2: or Iraq, but it was not, and people who were

1240
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,479
Speaker 2: in the military understand that there are lots of kinds

1241
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 2: of deployments that do not involve, you know, seeing combat

1242
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 2: or being in a war. So so I don't know

1243
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 2: what what did you make of it?

1244
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: So I think I agree more with your first point

1245
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: than your second point. I think probably the best way

1246
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: to respond to this is to immediately shift from you know,

1247
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: clearly he misspoke, whether it was intentionally misleading or you know,

1248
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: or just a true slip of the tongue. Hard to say.

1249
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: People aren't likely to, you know, trust politicians at their

1250
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: word with this stuff, but to immediately shift the frame to, well,

1251
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: let's talk about what I was talking about though, because

1252
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: you know, I was talking about our kids having to

1253
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 1: go to school and do lockdown drills, which our kids

1254
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: are all you know, back in school. Mine have already

1255
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: done their lockdown drills.

1256
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 3: Those drills are not helpful.

1257
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: And you know, my seven year old is coming home

1258
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: and asking me questions about it, and you know, sort

1259
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: of freaked down, like it's it's a horror, it's it

1260
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: is a horrible state of affairs that this is the

1261
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: reality in America. And as a public school teacher, no

1262
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: one would be better positioned to really speak to that

1263
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: horror and immediately shift the frame. So I I think

1264
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: it would be fine for him to just be like, yeah,

1265
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: I just slip at the time, I misspoke, but let

1266
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: me tell you what the real issue is here, and

1267
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: then move on. Because the minute you get in the

1268
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 1: weeds about like, well, my rank was technically this, but

1269
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: then I didn't fill out the paperwork, and then it's that,

1270
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: and then yes it was an operation, then you're playing

1271
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: into their you know, what they want you to be

1272
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: talking about. The other thing that I would say is,

1273
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: you know when he immediately goes you know, if it

1274
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: wasn't this, it'd be my kid being you know, expressing love.

1275
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: It'd be the attack of my dog. I don't know

1276
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: if you guys saw this, but there was this whole

1277
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: like online conspiracy about how he was lying about it.

1278
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: I was insane. It was so ridiculous, and the Right

1279
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: has given him that out because they have been they

1280
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 1: do have tim walls'ter arrangement syndrome, and they have attacked

1281
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: him for some of the most ridiculous things. So if

1282
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: this you know, attack on him quote unquote misrepresenting his

1283
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: military service, if this was going to stick, they needed

1284
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: to stay in this lane rather than now trying to

1285
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 1: dig up like most absurd minor. There was that story

1286
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: about oh, he said he got an award from the

1287
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: Chamber of Commerce, but actually it was the Junior Chamber

1288
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: of Commerce, gotcha. So they kind of you know, backed

1289
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: themselves into a corner by having Tim Wall's arrangement syndrome

1290
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: and attacking him for his kid and his dog and

1291
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: getting whether it was the Chamber of Commerce or the

1292
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: Junior Chamber of Commerce wrong, or having a rally sign

1293
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: that was like, you know, didn't have all the context

1294
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: of his service and operation enduring freedom or whatever.

1295
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think that's right.

1296
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 4: This one other question, because again this is all new.

1297
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Speaker 4: This was not ever many days ago. This was not

1298
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 4: on either of your BINGO cards, especially yours. You had

1299
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 4: to clarify that you had said that you and your

1300
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 4: wife used IBF, but it turned out you used a

1301
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 4: different kind of fertility in order to have children. And

1302
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 4: then when you ran for Congress in two thousand and six,

1303
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 4: your campaign repeatedly made all statements about a nineteen ninety

1304
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 4: five arrest for drunken reckless driving. What do you say

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Speaker 4: to voters who aren't sure whether they can take you

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Speaker 4: at your word.

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Speaker 8: Well, I've been very public. I think they can see

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Speaker 8: my students come out, former folks I've served with, and

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Speaker 8: they vouch for me. I certainly own my mistakes when

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Speaker 8: I make them. The one thing I'll tell you is

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Speaker 8: of I wished in this country wouldn't have to do this.

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Speaker 8: I spoke about our infertility issues because it's hell and

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Speaker 8: families know this. And I spoke about the treatments that

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Speaker 8: were available to us that had those beautiful children there.

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Speaker 8: That's quite a contrast in folks that are trying to

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Speaker 8: take those rights away from us. And so I think

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Speaker 8: people know who I am, they know that record, They've

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Speaker 8: seen that I've taught thousands of students. I've been out there,

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Speaker 8: and I won't apologize for peaking passionately, whether it's guns

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Speaker 8: and schools or protecting you reproductive rights. The contrast could

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Speaker 8: not be clear between what we're running against. The Vice

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Speaker 8: President's position on this has been clear, and I think

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Speaker 8: most Americans get it if you've been through that. I

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Speaker 8: don't think they're cutting hairs on IVF or IUI. I

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Speaker 8: think what they're cutting hairs on as an abortion band

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Speaker 8: and the ability to be able to deny familis the

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Speaker 8: chance to have a beautiful child.

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Speaker 1: See that I think is handled as well as you can.

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Speaker 1: And to say, you know, I own my mistakes. But

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Speaker 1: you know, here's the point. Let me take it back

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Speaker 1: to the political issue.

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Speaker 2: Because he got correct me on I don't know quite

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Speaker 2: the details. They got some fertility treatment, but it wasn't IVF.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't technically IVF. Yeah, so in any case, which again,

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Speaker 1: like I think, if I think.

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Speaker 2: His point that the the like depth of the pain

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Speaker 2: and anxiety associated with it is equivalent, probably is what

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Speaker 2: he's saying.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's.

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Speaker 1: Fair exactly, And like I said, just you know, shifting

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Speaker 1: it from him and what he said to the issue itself,

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Speaker 1: which is clearly a strong one for Democrats, as evidenced

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Speaker 1: by Donald Trump himself sort of freaking out about it.

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Speaker 1: I think it's probably the best way that you that

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Speaker 1: you talk about.

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Speaker 7: That, Vice President Harris, you were a very strong.

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Speaker 1: I also just wanted to mention, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you noticed Kamla's face like looking at him while he's speaking,

1349
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 1: but she loves this guy, because she clearly has a

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Speaker 1: lot of affection for him. It's very clear it's like

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01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: a proud mom looking at him while he's talking.

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Speaker 4: Defender of President Biden's capacity to serve another four years.

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Speaker 4: Right after the debate, you insisted that President Biden is

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Speaker 4: extraordinarily strong given where we are now, Do you have

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Speaker 4: any regrets about what you told the American people?

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Speaker 5: No, not at all, not at all. I have.

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Speaker 6: Served with President Biden for almost four years now, and

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Speaker 6: I'll tell you it's one of the greatest honors of

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Speaker 6: my career.

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Speaker 5: Truly.

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Speaker 6: He cares so deeply about the American people. He is

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Speaker 6: so smart and loyal to the American people, and I

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Speaker 6: have spent hours upon hours with him, being in the

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Speaker 6: Oval office or the situation room. He has the intelligence,

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Speaker 6: the commitment, and the judgment and disposition that I think

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Speaker 6: the American people rightly deserve in their president. By contrast,

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Speaker 6: the former president has none of that. And so one,

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Speaker 6: I am so proud to have served as vice president

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Speaker 6: to Joe Biden. And two, I'm so proud to be

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Speaker 6: running with Tim Walls for President of the United States

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Speaker 6: and to bring America what I believe the American people deserve,

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Speaker 6: which is a new way forward and turn the page

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Speaker 6: on the last decade of what I believe has been

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Speaker 6: contrary to where the spirit.

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Speaker 5: Of our country really lies.

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Speaker 1: But the last so she pivots there from you know,

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Speaker 1: do you love Joe Biden? Yes, I love Joe Biden too,

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Speaker 1: But let's talk about Donald Trump. You know, let's let

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Speaker 1: me let me get off this whole Joe Biden situation

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01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: as quick as I can and talk about this guy

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Speaker 1: that we're growing up against.

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Speaker 2: Now, that's how the whole country feels. So it's kind

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Speaker 2: of an easy one.

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Speaker 1: That's what she's betting on too, is you know, it's

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Speaker 1: kind of one of her strengths has been the not

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Speaker 1: going back frame of the campaign, which I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of people do relate to. Of like, even though

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Speaker 1: she's the sitting vice president, she feels like turning a page.

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Speaker 1: As she said, she feels like she's kind of the

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Speaker 1: change candidate, even though in a lot of ways she

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01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 1: is reflective of, you know, continuing the status quo of

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration, and so she benefits from being in

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Speaker 1: the vice president in the vice presidential office and people

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Speaker 1: being able to envision her in that role, but also

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Speaker 1: feeling like just because frankly, of her identity and her

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01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: relative youth, etcetera feeling like she is a turning of

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Speaker 1: the page to a different era.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think the polling shows people don't dislike Biden as

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01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 2: a person. Maybe they should, but they don't. They just

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01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 2: didn't want him to run for re election.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the most popular thing he's done as president. I'll say,

1403
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, okay, we kind of like you now,

1404
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 1: that's fine.

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01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So Republicans really wanted this to be because, I mean,

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01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 1: it is a scandal that who knew the level of

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Speaker 1: his decline, Like what was going on behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: that you all were covering up. It is a genuine scandal,

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Speaker 1: And people Republicans really wanted this to be a problem

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01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 1: for her, And people are just so relieved to not

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Speaker 1: have Biden on the ticket that and there's such overwhelming

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01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: support for him making that move that I just it

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01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 1: has not landed as a political attack whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because by virtue of the scandal that it was

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01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 2: scandal was that he was trying to run for reelection.

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Speaker 2: By not running for reelection, the scandal goes away.

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Speaker 1: True. Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 4: This decade, of course, the last three and a half

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Speaker 4: years has been part of your administration.

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Speaker 6: I'm talking about an era that started about a decade

1422
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 6: ago where.

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Speaker 5: There is some suggestion warped.

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Speaker 6: I believe it to be that the measure of the

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01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 6: strength of a leader is based on who you beat

1426
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 6: down instead of where I believe most Americans are, which

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Speaker 6: is to believe that the true measure of the strength

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01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 6: of a leader is based on who you lift up.

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01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 6: That's what said stake as much as any other detail

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Speaker 6: that we could discuss in this election.

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Speaker 7: Because we haven't had a chance to talk. I'm just curious.

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Speaker 4: Staying on President Biden, when he called you and said

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Speaker 4: he was pulling out of the race, what was that

1434
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 4: like And did he offer to endorse you right away

1435
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 4: or did you ask for it?

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Speaker 1: Hard heading question there, Ryan right, It's like this is

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Speaker 1: related a Steel herself for this one.

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Speaker 2: This is when you really are starting to sympathize with

1439
01:07:54,400 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 2: the conservative criticism of outlets like CNN, where are like, seriously, like,

1440
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 2: if you're Vanity Fair and you're doing like a magazine profile,

1441
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 2: this is interesting stuff and then you can write some

1442
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 2: flowery narrative around it for a sit down interview that

1443
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:16,680
Speaker 2: with the presidential candidate hasn't given an interview yet. You

1444
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 2: got to use your time to hit them on policy.

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01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:22,879
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing too. You know, having done these interviews,

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01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: you and I both with presidential candidates or other type

1447
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 1: of candidates, you know, you are very aware. I've got

1448
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:33,679
Speaker 1: a clock ticking from the moment we say go until

1449
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 1: the moment is over, and I have to be very

1450
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 1: strategic about what I get in and what is most consequential,

1451
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,600
Speaker 1: and you know, and try to either I'm going to

1452
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 1: really drill in on a couple of issues, or I'm

1453
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 1: gonna have a wide ranging conversation hit on as many

1454
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 1: possible things as I can. I think that's probably the

1455
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 1: approach I would take here, just because she hasn't given

1456
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:55,679
Speaker 1: it in so we don't have her on the record,

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01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 1: So I would try to get her on the record

1458
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,600
Speaker 1: on as many issues as you possibly could. So to

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01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 1: spend and you know, there's five minutes left in this interview.

1460
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 1: Five minutes you can get a lot accomplished, and all

1461
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 1: of it is just dedicated. You're about to hear Takamala

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01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 1: talking about like cooking pancakes and her adorable, admittedly adorable

1463
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,679
Speaker 1: baby nieces wanting more bacon and whatever. When Joe Biden

1464
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,679
Speaker 1: calls it was.

1465
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 5: It was a Sunday. So here, I'll give you a

1466
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 5: little too much information.

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01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 7: Go for it. There's no such things a vice president.

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01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 6: My family was staying with us and including my baby nieces,

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01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 6: and we had just had pancakes and you know, Auntie,

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Speaker 6: can I have more bacon?

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Speaker 5: Yes, I'll make you more bacon. And then we were

1472
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,560
Speaker 5: gonna sit We were sitting down to do a puzzle.

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01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 6: And the phone rang and it was Joe Biden and

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01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 6: he told me what he decided to do. And I

1475
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:55,639
Speaker 6: asked him, are you sure? And he said yes, And

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01:09:58,160 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 6: that's how I learned about it.

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01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 7: About the endorsement. Did you ask for it?

1478
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 5: He was very clear that he was going to support me.

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01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 4: So when he called to tell you, he said, I'm

1480
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:06,759
Speaker 4: pulling out of the race and I'm going.

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01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 7: To support you.

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01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 6: Well, my first thought was not about me, to be

1483
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 6: honest with you, My first thought was about him, To

1484
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 6: be honest, I think history is going to show a

1485
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:19,679
Speaker 6: number of things about Joe Biden's presidency. I think history

1486
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 6: is going to show that in so many ways it

1487
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:26,759
Speaker 6: was transformative. Be it on what we have accomplished around

1488
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:30,760
Speaker 6: finally investing in America's infrastructure, investing in new economies in

1489
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:31,560
Speaker 6: new industries.

1490
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 5: What we have done to bring.

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01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 6: Our allies back together and have confidence in who we

1492
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 6: are as America and grow that alliance. What we have

1493
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 6: done to stand true to our principles, including the one

1494
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 6: of the most important international rules and norms, which is

1495
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 6: the importance of sovereignty and territorial integrity. And I think

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01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 6: history is going to show not only has Joe Biden

1497
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 6: led an administration that has achieved those extraordinary successes, but

1498
01:10:56,479 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 6: the character of the man is one that he has

1499
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:03,719
Speaker 6: been in his life and career, including as a president,

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Speaker 6: quite selfless and puts American people first.

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Speaker 4: I just have to ask you both about two standout moments, aside,

1502
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 4: of course, from the addresses that you both gave, but

1503
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 4: stand out moments that were perhaps unexpected during the convention.

1504
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 4: You mentioned one of them, Governor, a moment that you

1505
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:21,799
Speaker 4: shared that the world shared with your son Gus.

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01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:23,839
Speaker 7: You were speaking, the camera caught.

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01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 1: Him to another incredible softball. I did think they talked

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01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 1: about pancakes and bacon for the last five minutes, but

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01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 1: apparently they also you know, let Tim Wallace talk about

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01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 1: when she loves his family too. And I mean this

1511
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:38,759
Speaker 1: is look the Kamala moment. There is charming. She's charming

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01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 1: in that moment. It's like an in kind contribution, though, like,

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01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 1: that's not your job. Your goal and your job and

1514
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 1: these interviews isn't like to make people feel warm fuzzies

1515
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 1: and do basically campaign ad for them. It's supposed to

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01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 1: be to hold power to account.

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01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 2: Is there any chance that her first thought was about him?

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01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 3: Any chance on her?

1519
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:03,639
Speaker 2: Any chance whatsoever. There's a scene in Beep where Selena

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01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 2: Meyer gets the call that the president is not running

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01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 2: for re election. Instead, she's gonna run. That's that's how

1522
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 2: that one went down.

1523
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:13,639
Speaker 1: See, I never watched I watched like maybe two episodes

1524
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 1: of Deep, so I'm not familiar.

1525
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 3: You're not prepared for this administration.

1526
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 1: I guess I got to watch it. Put that on

1527
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 1: the list for me and Guyle because I don't think

1528
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:23,559
Speaker 1: he's watched it. I'm not sure. Maybe he has.

1529
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:27,879
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's it's an absolutely, it's a documentary that's.

1530
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 1: Scary, scary. All right, let's finish this up.

1531
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 4: So incredibly proud of you, so emotional saying that's my dad.

1532
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't know as a father, I could have

1533
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 8: ever imagined that I'm grateful for so many reasons to

1534
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 8: be on this ticket, but that moment to understand what

1535
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 8: was really important to have my son feel a sense

1536
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:46,599
Speaker 8: of pride in me that I was trying to do

1537
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 8: the right thing, and it was you you try and

1538
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 8: protect your kids.

1539
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 4: You don't.

1540
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:52,720
Speaker 8: It brings, it brings notoriety and things. But it was

1541
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 8: just such a visceral emotional moment that I'm just I'm

1542
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:58,719
Speaker 8: grateful I got to experience it, and I'm so proud

1543
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:00,080
Speaker 8: of him. I'm proud of him. I'm proud of all.

1544
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 1: Breaking walls what it was. It was like Wall's grateful

1545
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 1: for visceral emotional moment with son at Dancys and breaking

1546
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 1: us there.

1547
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:09,760
Speaker 5: Ryan.

1548
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 2: I mean, it is true that it is very rare

1549
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 2: that children, let alone take pride in their parents, but

1550
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:18,680
Speaker 2: even look at them as human beings.

1551
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:21,719
Speaker 3: So yeah, I have.

1552
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 2: No doubt that was an authentically like infigurating and experience

1553
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 2: that he'll remember the rest of his life, no doubt

1554
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 2: about it. What does that have to do with anything,

1555
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1556
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:34,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, to experience it, and I'm I'm so

1557
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 1: proud of him.

1558
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:36,839
Speaker 8: I'm proud of him. I'm proud of hope. I'm prodiguin.

1559
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 8: She's a wonderful mother, and these are great kids. And

1560
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 8: I think the one thing he is talking about the

1561
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 8: era we're in is our polittive can be better, it

1562
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 8: can be different, We can we can show some of

1563
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 8: these things, and we can have families involved in this.

1564
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 8: And I hope that there was a hope people felt

1565
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 8: that out there, and I hope they hug their kids

1566
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 8: a little tighter because you just never know and life

1567
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 8: can be kind of hard.

1568
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 1: How good is he though, to immediately pivot from that

1569
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:57,640
Speaker 1: to like hit one of his core themes of you know,

1570
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 1: we can get back to the Thanksgiving dinner table where

1571
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 1: we don't all like hate each other and dredd it

1572
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 1: and whatever.

1573
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 2: Pretty masterful politician.

1574
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, he really is. I would I'd be happy to

1575
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:09,640
Speaker 1: just skip the Kamala harris aera and go start with

1576
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:14,840
Speaker 1: the Tim Walls hair personally. Last question, have very true,

1577
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 1: very possible.

1578
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 4: Amouna vice president. The photograph that has gone viral, you

1579
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 4: were speaking. One of your grand nieces that you were

1580
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 4: just talking about was watching you accept the nomination. You

1581
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 4: didn't explicitly talk about gender or race in your speech,

1582
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 4: but obviously means a lot to a lot of people,

1583
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 4: and that viral picture really says it.

1584
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 7: What does it mean to you?

1585
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 6: You know, I listen, I am running because I believe

1586
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 6: that I am the best person to do this job

1587
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 6: at this moment for all Americans, regardless of race and gender.

1588
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 6: But I did see that photograph and I was deeply

1589
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 6: touched by it. And you're right, she's it's the back

1590
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 6: of her head, her tool braids, and and then I'm

1591
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 6: in the front of the photograph obviously speaking and it's

1592
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 6: very humble, very humblam.

1593
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 7: Anyways, did she talking about it afterwards?

1594
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 6: Oh, she had a lot to talk about.

1595
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 5: She listened to everything, and she listens to every.

1596
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 7: Get of your hot takee oh yeah, definitely.

1597
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 4: Man of Vice President, Governor Wells, thank you so much

1598
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 4: for your time.

1599
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 1: So there you go. But that last answer very emblematic

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01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 1: of how she has. She's really adopted more of an

1601
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:25,680
Speaker 1: Obama approach to the quote unquote historic nature of her candidacy.

1602
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:27,760
Speaker 1: She lets it speak for herself. She really wants to

1603
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 1: give comfort to everyone that listen, I'm not going to

1604
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 1: talk about like all this black stuff. I'm just I'm

1605
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 1: going to be a president for everybody. And if it

1606
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 1: means something to you, that's great, but that's not what

1607
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 1: I'm That's not the reason I'm here. And I think

1608
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 1: that's sad that that's what she has to do. But

1609
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 1: I think it's the right approach. I mean. But on

1610
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 1: the other hand, like, obviously, representation matters and it does

1611
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 1: speak for itself, but more important is Okay, what are

1612
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 1: you going to do on Roe versus way that is

1613
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,959
Speaker 1: going to be much more impactful to all women versus

1614
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 1: you know, you yourself Kamala Harris transcending to this position of power.

1615
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, again, if you're a conservative watching that,

1616
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 2: you're like.

1617
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 3: How is this a how? How is this a Is

1618
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 3: this a journalist?

1619
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 4: Like?

1620
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 3: What's going on here?

1621
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:09,959
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1622
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 3: And it's fine, Like it is a cool picture.

1623
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 2: And for the public to end Democrats in particular to

1624
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 2: like love the picture, that's great.

1625
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:19,640
Speaker 3: But for the.

1626
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 2: Media like to take the opportunity of this interview to

1627
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 2: just elevate that and give her an opportunity to sell

1628
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 2: it more, it's just I mean, Cana's gonna do what

1629
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:29,680
Speaker 2: it's gonna do.

1630
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 1: But you know, yeah, they can't.

1631
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:34,720
Speaker 2: They can't complain then when people see them as Democratic

1632
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 2: Party apparatriics.

1633
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 1: That's it's that's exactly right overall, t LDR. What what

1634
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 1: grade do you give her? Do you think this is

1635
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 1: going to be consequential in any way? Are there any

1636
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 1: moments from this that sort of survived the weekend?

1637
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 3: She she did fine enough.

1638
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 2: I think, you know, it was much better than her

1639
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 2: previous interviews. It was it was pretty easy interview, Like

1640
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 2: there were no really tough questions. The only reason that

1641
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 2: questions were tough is because there were some obvious ones,

1642
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 2: like you used to say the complete opposite of what

1643
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:11,400
Speaker 2: you say now, why right? Like, but you know, she

1644
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,559
Speaker 2: didn't do the word salad that she's famous for for

1645
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 2: the most part, And so I think, like, like we

1646
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:22,559
Speaker 2: were saying earlier, unlike Obama, who people really vested all

1647
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:25,760
Speaker 2: of their hopes and dreams into and were willing to

1648
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:29,200
Speaker 2: let them lead them wherever, That's not how people feel

1649
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 2: about Harris. They just want her to not fall over,

1650
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 2: and they will, like the crowd will like carry her

1651
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:36,600
Speaker 2: on their shoulders across.

1652
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 3: The finish line.

1653
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:40,759
Speaker 2: They're like, just just be alive, just be better than Biden.

1654
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she's doing that.

1655
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:43,759
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1656
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 1: It's also the case that the bar has been it

1657
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:49,680
Speaker 1: is fair to say the bar has been said exceptionally

1658
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 1: low because of Biden, but also because all we've really

1659
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,680
Speaker 1: seen of her for the Biden administration has been like

1660
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:01,879
Speaker 1: whatever words ouid clip have been cut and shared viraly.

1661
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 1: And so there's a caricature of her number one and

1662
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 1: number two that forgets some of the moments where she

1663
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 1: has been strong and capable, and she's obviously you know,

1664
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 1: she's I think she also has an added confidence and

1665
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 1: swagger in this moment she didn't previously have. And I

1666
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 1: also think she probably grew on the job as vice president.

1667
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 1: You know, even though we weren't seeing everything she was doing,

1668
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 1: she was doing some stuff and having to get reps

1669
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 1: in and hone some of her skills and get better.

1670
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think she I think Republicans will be

1671
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:36,719
Speaker 1: disappointed that she isn't actually the caricature that they had

1672
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:41,760
Speaker 1: in their mind where she's just totally incapable of answering

1673
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 1: any question without a script right in front of her

1674
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 1: or someone holding her hand, et cetera.

1675
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that she had a month to prepare

1676
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 2: for it. Yeah, and so she did some prep. There

1677
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 2: was the previously the concern among her departed staff was

1678
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:58,559
Speaker 2: that she refused to prepare for interviews and flubbed you know,

1679
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:01,759
Speaker 2: easy questions questions. Yeah, she did that at the start

1680
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 2: of this one, the day one, but was prepared for

1681
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 2: other ones. And so yeah, it's like she should do

1682
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 2: more of these and not make it like a national event.

1683
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 1: We have to do an hour and twenty minute response

1684
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 1: parsing every single answer, because this is all we have.

1685
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 1: This is all we have at this point of you know,

1686
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 1: what she's given us in terms of interview sit down.

1687
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:29,680
Speaker 1: Do you think that this you know, what do you

1688
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 1: think is the next time? Do you think now she'll

1689
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 1: feel like, Okay, maybe I can do a few of

1690
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 1: these and I can survive it. Or do you think

1691
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 1: she'll feel like, all right, check to that box. I'm

1692
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:39,400
Speaker 1: not going to have to do another one of these

1693
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 1: for another month and a half.

1694
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 2: Maybe she'll do one a little sooner, yeah, or maybe

1695
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:47,720
Speaker 2: she'll maybe she'll just punt like because what they did,

1696
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:49,640
Speaker 2: they punted it to the end of the month, and

1697
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 2: then they did it right before Labor Day, so they'll

1698
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 2: skip Labor Day week next week, then they'll be under

1699
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 2: then then they got the debate like so that that'll

1700
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 2: buy them some time. Sure, maybe not until a couple

1701
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:07,120
Speaker 2: of weeks after the debate, and then there's the Walls debate,

1702
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 2: so you know, they.

1703
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 3: Might punt it. They'll punt it for as long as

1704
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 3: the media in the public lets them get away with it.

1705
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I actually think the media and the public

1706
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 1: are pretty much gonna let her get away with it.

1707
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:22,639
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I don't I don't see

1708
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 1: that there was like a huge real back I you know,

1709
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:28,559
Speaker 1: think she probably could have. They felt pressure and the

1710
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 1: media was getting, you know, pissier and testier. There's the

1711
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 1: other danger with this is they stop liking you and

1712
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 1: they start being more aggressive with.

1713
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:37,559
Speaker 3: You, start doing tougher stories.

1714
01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, So I think they were starting to feel

1715
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 1: some of that build. But I have a I have

1716
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:44,599
Speaker 1: a feeling that you're right, that she's going to feel

1717
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 1: like I checked the box. I don't have to do

1718
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 1: this again for a while.

1719
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 3: Yep.

1720
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 1: So enjoy it, guys, All right, Ryan, thanks for doing

1721
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 1: this with me this morning. Enjoy Yeah, enjoy the long weekend, guys,

1722
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 1: Enjoy Labor Day, and we will see you back for

1723
01:20:58,479 --> 01:20:59,639
Speaker 1: a full breaking point show.

1724
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:03,639
Speaker 3: Got the Friday Show? Actually, Oh that's right. Yeah, later today.

1725
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys had a rf K junior well RFK

1726
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 1: junior debate. That was Michael Tracy and then a field

1727
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:13,599
Speaker 1: staff who.

1728
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 2: Was a national previous national field director for RFK kind

1729
01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 2: of defending his decision to endorse Trump.

1730
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 1: I haven't checked that one out yet, so I'm like

1731
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 1: Forwared of saying that I know Michael Tracy has been

1732
01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 1: going hard on the paint as he is as he

1733
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 1: is wont to do so. All right, y'all enjoy that,

1734
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 1: check out drive site News, and I will see you

1735
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 1: guys back here on Tuesday. By y'all,