WEBVTT - The Puppeteers with Jason Chaffetz 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:03.079 We all know that the deep state, the bureaucratic state, 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:07.520 these entrenched government officials are really the ones pulling the strings. 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:10.360 They're the ones guiding government. They're the ones working to 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:15.040 weaponize government against US conservatives for political reasons. But who 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:19.760 exactly are these puppeteers? My friend Jason Schafitz previously House 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:22.880 Oversight Chairman, a Fox News contributor. Now he's a friend 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:25.680 and a colleague. He's at with a new book explaining 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:29.040 who these puppeteers are, what they do, how they utilize 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:32.800 and weaponized government against US conservatives in our interests, and 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:34.879 also what we should do about it. We'll talk to 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:37.519 him about his new book and what he learned in 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:40.760 both working as a House Oversight Chairman and also in 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:49.040 writing this book. Stay with us well, Jason, it's great 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:50.839 to have you on the show. You're a friend and 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:53.720 a colleague, so I'm happy to talk about this new book. 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:55.560 I didn't realize you already have a bunch of best 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:56.280 selling books. 0:00:56.800 --> 0:00:57.080 Yeah. 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:59.960 I can't believe it either. I mean, my English teacher 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:05.399 is way surprised. Yeah, this is my fourth book. It's 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:08.759 called The Puppeteers. The People Who Control the people who 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:12.640 control America. And it takes, you know, a couple of 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:15.560 years to put this together. It's heavily researched, and it 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:19.320 just feels back who the people are and tells the 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:22.479 stories and shows the flow of money, which is really 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:24.280 what you got to figure out in order to figure 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:25.640 out who's really pulling the string. 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:28.800 You call it the puppeteers. Who are the puppeteers? 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:30.720 So not only are. 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:37.080 They the administrative and bureaucratic you know morass that's out there, 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:40.480 but there are also some very specific people like a 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:44.399 Susan Rice or a Brian Deese or Randy Weingarten at 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:49.080 the who's the head of the teachers union? You look 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:52.200 at Blackrock and Larry Fink for instance. You know they 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:56.840 control trillions of dollars and have said out loud they're 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:01.480 very brazen about their objective to get in ESG and 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:06.680 DEI into all facets of America. Not only do they 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:11.880 pull their their their strings and in the political apparatus, 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:15.760 but they do it in corporate America. And and give 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:20.280 you an example, Larry Cudlow was the economic advisor for 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:24.600 President Trump. He hit it decades of experience in growing 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:28.680 economies and being an economist and but when Joe Biden 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:31.079 came in, he brought in Brian Deese. Brian Deese is 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:33.640 a black Rock employee before that, he worked in the 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:37.360 Obama administration before that, and and he uh, he's a 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:40.640 climate activist. He wasn't there to grow the economy. He 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:44.160 was there to inject the Green New Deal, the DEI 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:51.920 and ESG platforms into into the administration. So this is 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:53.800 what we do. We peel it all back, and we 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:57.080 show that and and it'll scare the living. 0:02:56.960 --> 0:02:57.640 Daylights at you. 0:02:57.720 --> 0:02:59.600 I mean, it sort of shows you too that like 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:02.080 we don't really have a free market anymore. I mean, 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:05.760 corporate America and the government are hand in hand. They're 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:07.240 sort of one of the same these days. 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:10.040 Yeah, so in the puppeteers, that's a big part of 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:11.760 what we're saying. You know, we just had a couple 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:14.160 of weeks ago, we had this discussion about the debt ceiling. 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:17.960 The debt ceiling, what do you I mean? The only 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:20.600 argument was over less than ten percent of the budget. 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:24.920 Most of it is mandatory programmatic spending, and not just Medicaid, Medicare, 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:29.360 and Social Security, but it also has hundreds of other 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:33.079 programs involved in it. They just run on autopilot. And 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:36.120 then the whole objective here with the democratic machine is 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:39.960 to put government on autopilot so that it never gets touched. 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:43.880 And that is the problem because then the corporate folks 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:48.760 get ingrained in that to enrich themselves and move a 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:55.080 social agenda. And that's like, for instance, the Inflation Reduction Act. Right, 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:57.720 it could never sell the Green New Deal, so they 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:01.120 came up with the Inflation Reduction Act. Because it's a crisis, 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:04.000 they're going to grab hold of that. It's set aside 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:08.240 to three hundred and seventy billion dollars in a climate 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:11.960 flash fund that is run by John Podesta. Who's John Podesta. 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:16.920 He's Clinton's president, Clinton's chief of staff. He ran Hillary 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:20.000 Clinton's campaign. It's not as if he's an expert on 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:24.760 climate change or something. He's a political person who's ingrained 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:28.080 in and tied and tied in with the Larry Finx 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:29.240 and the corporate America. 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:29.880 That's who he is. 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:33.440 You talk about how our pensions are paying for the 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:36.039 lefts climate agenda, you know, talk a little bit about that. 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:38.440 Yeah, one of the things we found and got our 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:42.360 hands on. We have a really good state treasurer. There 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:45.360 are some really good ones out there, But the Democratic 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:49.719 Treasurers Association, it put out this twenty twenty two corporate 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:53.599 Benefits Package. Nobody had really seen this document before, and 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:55.600 I want to read something that they wrote in this. 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:59.320 They said state treasurers have the power to exert force 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.359 nationally because they oversee trillions of dollars and have a 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:06.000 direct line to Wall Street, Main Street and into corporate boardrooms. 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:10.560 State treasurer's power will endure no matter which party controls 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:14.279 Congress and the White House. No matter what happens in November, 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:17.360 we will have the ability to ensure that climate risk 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:21.960 is addressed, racial inequality and gender biases confronted, and protect 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:26.880 workers in small businesses. Well, they make the cases democratic treasurers. 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:30.520 In some states they call it the comptroller chief financial officer. 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:35.600 They control about two point five trillion dollars. So if 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:40.120 you're a retiree, maybe you were a school teacher, maybe 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:44.600 you work for the state of Illinois or California, maybe 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.600 you were you have a four oh one K and 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:51.120 it's managed by a Vanguard or. 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:54.720 Blackrock. 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:58.600 They're going to take that money, use the proxy voting 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:02.839 to go into the corporate boardrooms and manipulate what these 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:04.800 companies do. So you look around and say, wait, why 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:07.160 are these companies all doing this crazy stuff? 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:09.160 You know that in the S. 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:12.880 And P five hundred, over ninety eight percent of the 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:17.320 companies Blackrock owns at least a five percent stake, and 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:20.679 so they have a control and manipulate by using your dollars. 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:22.840 So if Lisa Booth has a four to oh one 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:25.279 K or made some sort of investment, my guess is 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:29.279 it's probably being ultimately managed by Blackrock and they're using 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:31.520 that to push their green new deal. They're at their 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:33.920 social agenda by using your dollars. 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:37.160 Okay, how much control did politicians really have then if 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:40.200 everyone behind the scenes are the ones, you know, pulling 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:40.839 the strings. 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:43.279 So here's the little story when I was in Congress, 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:46.039 who's kind of legendary. A Member of Congress goes to 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:49.520 meet with the cabinet secretary and the cabinet secretary wasn't there. 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:53.800 It was just senior staff, and cabinet secretary wasn't intending 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:54.280 to show up. 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:55.800 So the Member of Congress got up to. 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:59.320 Leave, and the senior staff said, no, no, no, we're here 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.360 to meet with you. In the member of Congress says, look, 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:04.040 I didn't come here to meet with the B team. 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:08.240 I want to meet with the member via the Cabinet secretary. 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:12.560 And finally the senior staff says, look, granted, we are 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:15.120 the B team. We be here before you, we be 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:17.280 here after you, and we be the ones to actually 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:20.160 make the decisions. And I'm telling you, Lisa, that is 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:25.000 so true. It is so true. This administrative bureaucratics state 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:27.000 they're going to do what they want to do. And 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:30.000 if you look statistically, it's something like ninety five plus 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:32.200 percent of the donations coming out of some of these 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:35.400 departments and agencies when they do make a political donation 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:38.520 now go to Democrats. For some departments and agencies, it's 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:42.400 one hundred percent. These two, I think, are puppeteers that 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:44.960 are moving the thing forward. We have term limits on 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:46.040 members of Congress, or at. 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:48.640 Least we should, I should say, but we should also 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:51.120 have them on the bureaucrats and the administrative state. 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:53.680 How hard is it to fire certain bureaucrats? 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:55.320 Oh impossible. It is. 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:58.920 Literally you could probably on two hands count the number 0:07:58.920 --> 0:07:59.920 of times. 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:01.360 That that happens. 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:04.520 I had to actually run, sponsor and pass a bill 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:07.560 that said when you move from one department or agency 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:10.560 that your record goes with you, Because some people would 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:15.600 be caught doing some very salacious or just downright illegal 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:18.360 things and they would just transfer them to another department 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:22.360 and their record wouldn't go with them. And the unions 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:26.400 and what they've done to protect their own it's what 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:30.960 drives me crazy. Inspector General Horowitz at the Department of 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:34.120 Justice puts out a quarterly report. I still read these things. 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.760 They make dozens upon dozens. 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:39.599 Of criminal referrals. 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:43.200 Not only do they not pursue and and you know, 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:47.520 a criminal prosecution, these people don't even get a demotion 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:50.320 or a demerit on their record. I mean, it's just 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:52.360 it almost never happened. 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:54.920 I don't think it would surprise anyone listening that we 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:56.760 have a bunch of criminals running government. 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:59.719 Well, there's some good decent people, but it's going to 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:02.840 take a strong president to go in and blow out 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:06.719 the political class, the ones who are the political appointees, 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:11.040 and then has some major structural reform so that you 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:13.800 can get in, serve your country, then get out the 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:17.600 country you better served it. In the puppeteers, I advocate 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:19.800 that we got to starve the beast if you keep 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:23.120 feeding the beast with all this money, that is the power, 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.439 and they know it and they keep doing it. That's 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:29.199 what ex trillion dollars are. Federal government is spending. Almost 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:32.280 one out of every four to five dollars in the 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:35.280 entire country is spent by the federal government. It's absurd. 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:41.320 Quick break more with Jason. I think the frustration for 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:44.440 a lot of people is that it seems like neither 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:48.440 party is really inclined to spend less. The fight seems 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:50.680 to be more about what the money is spent on 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:53.240 versus actually raining and the spending. 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:56.320 I totally agree with you, and as I said earlier 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.560 in the debt ceiling fight, we were arguing over less 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:01.800 than ten percent of the budget, most of its mandatory 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:05.920 programmatic spending. So if you're not willing to address the 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:09.240 ninety percent of the budget that's driving forward, guess what 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:11.880 you end up with a debt that's right now we're 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:15.559 paying about two billion dollars a day just in interest 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:17.800 on the debt. And then we have a bill that's 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:20.080 out there where we say, oh, we're going to claw 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:23.560 back one point nine billion dollars from the IRS, but 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:26.680 they just got eighty billion and that doesn't even cover 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:29.240 one day of interest payment. So don't tell me that 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:31.440 we're moving the ball in the right direction. We're just 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:33.720 getting the hole deeper and deeper. 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:36.160 But then, of course the conundrum is that if you 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:39.479 go after that mandatory spending, you get killed politically. 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:43.280 Well, I think that's right, and until America actually demands 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:45.920 it probably won't happen. I believe that we need a 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:48.800 balance budget amendment in order to ultimately get there. Let 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:52.600 the states decide if we're actually going to balance our budgets. 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:57.160 But my argument is that while while Medicaid, Medicare, and 0:10:57.200 --> 0:11:01.440 Social Security they have to have reform order to save them, 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:05.559 what about all the hundreds and hundreds of other programs 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:08.400 that are on autopilot. This is what I think, as 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:10.920 I point out on the Puppeteer's book, this is. 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:12.040 What the Democrats want. 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:15.800 They want a permanency, They want government that isn't swayed 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:19.840 by a particular election. And now it's nearly impossible once 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:22.839 the program's in place. I think Ronald Reagan talked about 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:26.280 this to actually kill it. And they know that they 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:28.920 created when Obama was the president and they had the 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:33.040 House to send in the Presidency, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:36.800 and in puppeteers. I talk about this because it's funded 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:40.320 not through Congress, not through appropriations by the American people. 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:45.280 It was funded through the Federal Reserve. And that's scary 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:49.079 because then there's zero accountability, nobody elected in that process. 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:51.560 Now it's in the courts, we'll see how that plays out, 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:55.640 but I think it's unconstitutional. But that's what the Democrats 0:11:55.720 --> 0:12:00.319 vision of the world is. Government runs without Congress overseeing it. 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:03.719 Well, and it really underscores why our founding fathers and 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:07.440 the founding generation wanted us to have a decentralized government 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.199 to avoid the situation that we are in now. 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:12.040 Totally. This is the problem. 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:16.080 And when our as a percentage of our gross domestic product, 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:20.719 when we're up at twenty two plus percent, those are 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:27.160 absurd numbers that are unsustainable and the consequences, I mean, 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:30.000 we're just headed towards financial ruin if we don't do that. 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:34.000 But there are puppeteers that want to. They like it 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:37.440 this way. They don't care, and they want power and 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:39.360 they want money, and that's how they get it. 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.600 What role did the federal government play in ballot harvesting? 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:46.960 Well, this is one thing that the Puppeteers book also uncovers, 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:50.679 it really exposes. And if there's one story in the 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:54.040 book that you really want to have illuminated and understand it, 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:57.360 you have to go back into March. After the President 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:02.480 Biden has put in office and he issues Executive Order 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:06.360 one for zero one point nine. He puts Susan Rice 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:10.079 in charge of this and it directs all the departments, 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:13.439 all the federals in like six hundred of them, departments 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:15.480 and agencies to come up with the plan to get 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:18.560 out the vote. Now, it wasn't a get out the 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:22.360 vote effort for everybody. It was for and it literally 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:28.160 the executive order says for approved non government organizations. And 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:31.520 we would love to see what the president what these 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:36.840 six hundred plans actually advocate, but they're protected because our 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:42.440 President Biden is claiming executive privilege and there's a Freedom 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:46.720 of Information Act request in the courts. He will not 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:49.400 reveal what this is, but basically he wants to take 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:55.319 all the federal departments, agencies, personnel, physical facilities to get 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:58.040 out the vote. Well, when you have ninety five plus 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:01.640 percent of certain departments and agencies donating to Democrats, guess what, 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:05.840 it's a democratic machine, not open to Republicans or somebody 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.760 other side of the aisle. How much money are they 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:11.760 spending doing this? And why was Susan Rice in charge 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:14.720 of this and so adamant that it happened. This is 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:18.480 a very scary part of how these puppeteers work and 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:22.600 are leveraging our own tax taxpayer dollars against us. 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:27.320 I mean, Democrats are much better at weaponizing government and 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:31.320 molding government to their interests and to fit their desires 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:32.240 and narratives. 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:35.080 Is where they worship. This is their altar, is what 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:40.840 they believe in, and it's working for them. They just 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:43.120 want more of it. They just don't want to live 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:45.680 in a world where an election can destroy that. 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:50.200 I mean, should Republicans then be better at doing the same, 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:54.160 entrenching government with our own people, with our own desires, 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:56.440 with the things that we want accomplished and done. 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:59.400 What I argue in the in the book The Puppeteer's 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:02.360 Book is that we have to starve the beast, that 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:04.800 we need to have this discussion with the American people 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:07.600 because I think issue wise, we're on the right side, 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:09.560 and you've got to start somewhere. You got to start 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:14.120 clipping the wings somewhere somehow or otherwise. It's going to 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:16.840 be forced upon us because of the financial ruin that 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:20.240 we will have In terms of elections. I look, I 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:22.400 wish everybody would just vote on the same day with 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:26.120 same information. Maybe it's two days show an identification. But 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:29.160 you know, so much of this fight, Lisa, it's going 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:33.440 to happen at the state level. Elections are administered at 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:35.240 the state level. You got to fight this with your 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:39.080 state legislature. As I articulated earlier, it's going to be 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:43.120 these sleepy races like the treasurer's race or your attorney 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:46.920 general race. It really is federalism that will kind of 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:50.000 save the day. But people ask me all the time. 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:51.640 They probably ask you all the time, you know, what 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:54.120 can I do? I read this book and I get depressed, 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:55.840 and I get mad, I get frustrated. 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:58.480 What can I do? But we try to. 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:02.360 Offer solutions the book too, by saying these are the 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:04.840 races that you should get involved with and engage with. 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:07.840 You know, there's a reason why the Department of Justice 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:12.040 is going after parents because parents are suddenly showing up 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:16.160 at school board meetings and it's like, wait, what you're 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:19.000 going to try to take control of this away from us. 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:20.960 Of course they're going to fight you on that. 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:23.160 You know, but there's a school of thought then that 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:26.320 we should respond in kind. You know, if they are 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:30.240 going to target or people politically, then you know, perhaps 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:32.600 they need to be on the receiving end of a 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:36.040 department of justice that isn't aligned with them, or state 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:41.040 attorneys or district attorneys in conservative areas going after democrats. 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:43.480 Is it time to perhaps meet power with power. 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:47.040 I would argue that if you have the purity of 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:53.200 what you're trying to do to defang government, I want 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:56.480 to fight with every tool, not one hand behind the back. 0:16:57.680 --> 0:16:59.920 But I think if we've got to build these coal 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:03.320 in masks and go out and get the job done 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:06.800 so that, for instance, school boards are actually administered with 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:10.399 parents first and foremost in their minds, that kids and parents. 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:15.080 We tell a story in the in the in the 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:19.280 book on the Puppeteers about you know, this case where 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:24.760 the school was working with a minor to go through 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:29.120 the transition of you know, changing this person from one 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:33.360 gender to another gender, but not telling the parents. I mean, 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:35.840 this is how aggressive these people are. They really do 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:38.760 believe this, you know, one thing I want people to 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:40.680 be aware of. A new buzzword, if you will, that 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:41.840 you got to be careful of. 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:43.600 Is called community schools. 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:48.200 Brandy Weingarten at the head of the Teachers Union, one 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:51.399 of the big ones. She has some three hundred million 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:55.720 dollars at her disposal. And Gavin Newsome has really helped 0:17:55.920 --> 0:18:01.560 lead the charge in California to develop community schools. Downs nice, right, 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:04.719 a community school. Who's going to be against the community school? 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:08.720 But they want the totality of the child, everything from 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:11.360 their haircut to what they wear. They're going to give 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:13.879 everybody a computer. Oh nice, they're going to give you 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:17.160 a computer. But it's really a money making scheme form 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:19.920 because they're going to take the data of everything that 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:22.919 twelve year old or ten year old is doing and 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:26.560 sell the data so that they can follow this person 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:32.400 and send messages and teach them about their democratic heroes. 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:36.760 Not a actual American history and certainly not one with balance. 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:40.439 That's what they're trying to do. They're really making a 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:44.800 concerted effort, first and foremost in California to change education. 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:48.800 And Puppeteers spends a lot of time talking about these 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:54.920 people they're they're grooming these kids and these parents to 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:58.040 be an advocate for a community school, but it's a 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:01.760 political ploy, Lisa to the endth degree. 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:07.280 Quick commercial break. More on the puppeteers. I think we've 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:10.000 sort of lost purity as a country, and so I 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:13.480 don't know, I don't know. I think to some degree 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:16.280 we might have to have a little bit more muscular 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:19.520 conservatism given the environment that we live in. I mean, 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:22.440 you know, you've got certain states that are essentially sanctuary 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:25.160 states for transgender you know children, right, they're like where 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.720 they're going to try to keep their parents away from 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:30.639 the decision making. We're entering into a different era in 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:34.000 my opinion politically, where you know, and even to your 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:36.400 point about the federal government with the ballot harvesting, where 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:39.639 even elections aren't really free and fair anymore, right, Like, 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:43.160 the system is broken, and so I don't know if 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:45.200 we have to, you know, kind of if we need 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:49.320 to use new tactics in dealing with government and dealing 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:51.320 with these people who who are evil my I mean, 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:54.200 you're evil in my opinion if you want to encourage 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:57.680 children to mutilate their bodies and the name of transgenderism, 0:19:57.800 --> 0:19:59.840 I mean, that's an evil person in my opinion. 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:02.160 Yeah, no, I agree with you and I the world 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:03.760 is changing. You know, it used to be when I 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:07.200 kind of first started doing the political thing, I thought 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:09.600 we were all fighting for the same thing, but we 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:12.520 had a different way of getting there. I don't think 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:15.600 that's true anymore. I think, unfortunately that's changed. I mean, 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:19.720 the idea that we had to have a national dialogue, 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:22.159 but I think is still ongoing about should we stand 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:25.560 for the flag and the national anthem. I mean, we 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:30.800 just saw in the Capital students singing the national anthem 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:34.240 and the Capitol Hill police coming over and telling them 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:38.800 no because people would be offended. I mean, really, like, 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:41.560 I never thought i'd see the day these types of things. 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:44.200 So it is a scary world that way. I worry 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:47.200 about my kids. I got grandkids. I'm enough out grandkids, 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:49.760 and I worry about the world they're living in. And 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:51.600 so yeah, I think you're right. I like the way 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:56.320 you say that, a more muscular conservative conservativism that gets 0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:59.480 after it and says no, let's take these fights head 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:02.159 on for what there is and say no, we're not 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:05.200 going to do that. It's a radical idea to think 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:09.240 you're going to have men compete in women's sports. Let's 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:10.200 have that discussion. 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:13.520 Yeah, absolutely, you know, and it's crazy too because I 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:15.399 know that we sort of have parallel lives in the 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:17.800 sense of, you know, I live in Florida full time, 0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:20.120 but I'm up in New York quite frequently, and you're 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:22.280 in Utah. And you've you know, had to live in 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:25.359 DC for periodically when you were in Congress, and then 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:27.080 also you're in New York quite a bit. So it's 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:30.399 like you almost realize how different, you know, how we 0:21:30.520 --> 0:21:33.119 really do live in two different America is when you 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:35.919 live in free states like we do, and then you 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:38.679 go into these l it's just night and day, like 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:41.000 just everything about it, right, Like you still have people 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:43.159 walking around in masks, like you know, it's just a 0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:43.919 different world. 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:47.520 I think there's a reason why, you know, in Gavin 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:52.160 Newsom's California, I mean, it's tragic, right. You see the homelessness, 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:56.159 You see this like zombie apocalypse that, you know, walking 0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:58.479