1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,079 Speaker 1: We all know that the deep state, the bureaucratic state, 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: these entrenched government officials are really the ones pulling the strings. 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: They're the ones guiding government. They're the ones working to 4 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: weaponize government against US conservatives for political reasons. But who 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 1: exactly are these puppeteers? My friend Jason Schafitz previously House 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: Oversight Chairman, a Fox News contributor. Now he's a friend 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: and a colleague. He's at with a new book explaining 8 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: who these puppeteers are, what they do, how they utilize 9 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: and weaponized government against US conservatives in our interests, and 10 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 1: also what we should do about it. We'll talk to 11 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: him about his new book and what he learned in 12 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: both working as a House Oversight Chairman and also in 13 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: writing this book. Stay with us well, Jason, it's great 14 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: to have you on the show. You're a friend and 15 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: a colleague, so I'm happy to talk about this new book. 16 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: I didn't realize you already have a bunch of best 17 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: selling books. 18 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 19 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 3: I can't believe it either. I mean, my English teacher 20 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 3: is way surprised. Yeah, this is my fourth book. It's 21 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 3: called The Puppeteers. The People Who Control the people who 22 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 3: control America. And it takes, you know, a couple of 23 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 3: years to put this together. It's heavily researched, and it 24 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 3: just feels back who the people are and tells the 25 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,479 Speaker 3: stories and shows the flow of money, which is really 26 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 3: what you got to figure out in order to figure 27 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 3: out who's really pulling the string. 28 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: You call it the puppeteers. Who are the puppeteers? 29 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: So not only are. 30 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 3: They the administrative and bureaucratic you know morass that's out there, 31 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 3: but there are also some very specific people like a 32 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 3: Susan Rice or a Brian Deese or Randy Weingarten at 33 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 3: the who's the head of the teachers union? You look 34 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 3: at Blackrock and Larry Fink for instance. You know they 35 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 3: control trillions of dollars and have said out loud they're 36 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 3: very brazen about their objective to get in ESG and 37 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 3: DEI into all facets of America. Not only do they 38 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 3: pull their their their strings and in the political apparatus, 39 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 3: but they do it in corporate America. And and give 40 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 3: you an example, Larry Cudlow was the economic advisor for 41 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 3: President Trump. He hit it decades of experience in growing 42 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 3: economies and being an economist and but when Joe Biden 43 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 3: came in, he brought in Brian Deese. Brian Deese is 44 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 3: a black Rock employee before that, he worked in the 45 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 3: Obama administration before that, and and he uh, he's a 46 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 3: climate activist. He wasn't there to grow the economy. He 47 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 3: was there to inject the Green New Deal, the DEI 48 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 3: and ESG platforms into into the administration. So this is 49 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 3: what we do. We peel it all back, and we 50 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 3: show that and and it'll scare the living. 51 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 2: Daylights at you. 52 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it sort of shows you too that like 53 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: we don't really have a free market anymore. I mean, 54 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: corporate America and the government are hand in hand. They're 55 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: sort of one of the same these days. 56 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, so in the puppeteers, that's a big part of 57 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 3: what we're saying. You know, we just had a couple 58 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 3: of weeks ago, we had this discussion about the debt ceiling. 59 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 3: The debt ceiling, what do you I mean? The only 60 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 3: argument was over less than ten percent of the budget. 61 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 3: Most of it is mandatory programmatic spending, and not just Medicaid, Medicare, 62 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 3: and Social Security, but it also has hundreds of other 63 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 3: programs involved in it. They just run on autopilot. And 64 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 3: then the whole objective here with the democratic machine is 65 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 3: to put government on autopilot so that it never gets touched. 66 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 3: And that is the problem because then the corporate folks 67 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 3: get ingrained in that to enrich themselves and move a 68 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 3: social agenda. And that's like, for instance, the Inflation Reduction Act. Right, 69 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 3: it could never sell the Green New Deal, so they 70 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 3: came up with the Inflation Reduction Act. Because it's a crisis, 71 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 3: they're going to grab hold of that. It's set aside 72 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 3: to three hundred and seventy billion dollars in a climate 73 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 3: flash fund that is run by John Podesta. Who's John Podesta. 74 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 3: He's Clinton's president, Clinton's chief of staff. He ran Hillary 75 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 3: Clinton's campaign. It's not as if he's an expert on 76 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 3: climate change or something. He's a political person who's ingrained 77 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: in and tied and tied in with the Larry Finx 78 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 3: and the corporate America. 79 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 2: That's who he is. 80 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: You talk about how our pensions are paying for the 81 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: lefts climate agenda, you know, talk a little bit about that. 82 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the things we found and got our 83 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 3: hands on. We have a really good state treasurer. There 84 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 3: are some really good ones out there, But the Democratic 85 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 3: Treasurers Association, it put out this twenty twenty two corporate 86 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 3: Benefits Package. Nobody had really seen this document before, and 87 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 3: I want to read something that they wrote in this. 88 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 3: They said state treasurers have the power to exert force 89 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 3: nationally because they oversee trillions of dollars and have a 90 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 3: direct line to Wall Street, Main Street and into corporate boardrooms. 91 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 3: State treasurer's power will endure no matter which party controls 92 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 3: Congress and the White House. No matter what happens in November, 93 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 3: we will have the ability to ensure that climate risk 94 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 3: is addressed, racial inequality and gender biases confronted, and protect 95 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 3: workers in small businesses. Well, they make the cases democratic treasurers. 96 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 3: In some states they call it the comptroller chief financial officer. 97 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 3: They control about two point five trillion dollars. So if 98 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 3: you're a retiree, maybe you were a school teacher, maybe 99 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 3: you work for the state of Illinois or California, maybe 100 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 3: you were you have a four oh one K and 101 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 3: it's managed by a Vanguard or. 102 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 2: Blackrock. 103 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 3: They're going to take that money, use the proxy voting 104 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 3: to go into the corporate boardrooms and manipulate what these 105 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 3: companies do. So you look around and say, wait, why 106 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 3: are these companies all doing this crazy stuff? 107 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 2: You know that in the S. 108 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 3: And P five hundred, over ninety eight percent of the 109 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 3: companies Blackrock owns at least a five percent stake, and 110 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,679 Speaker 3: so they have a control and manipulate by using your dollars. 111 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 3: So if Lisa Booth has a four to oh one 112 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 3: K or made some sort of investment, my guess is 113 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 3: it's probably being ultimately managed by Blackrock and they're using 114 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 3: that to push their green new deal. They're at their 115 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 3: social agenda by using your dollars. 116 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: Okay, how much control did politicians really have then if 117 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: everyone behind the scenes are the ones, you know, pulling 118 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: the strings. 119 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 3: So here's the little story when I was in Congress, 120 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 3: who's kind of legendary. A Member of Congress goes to 121 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 3: meet with the cabinet secretary and the cabinet secretary wasn't there. 122 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 3: It was just senior staff, and cabinet secretary wasn't intending 123 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 3: to show up. 124 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 2: So the Member of Congress got up to. 125 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 3: Leave, and the senior staff said, no, no, no, we're here 126 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 3: to meet with you. In the member of Congress says, look, 127 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 3: I didn't come here to meet with the B team. 128 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 3: I want to meet with the member via the Cabinet secretary. 129 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 3: And finally the senior staff says, look, granted, we are 130 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 3: the B team. We be here before you, we be 131 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 3: here after you, and we be the ones to actually 132 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 3: make the decisions. And I'm telling you, Lisa, that is 133 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 3: so true. It is so true. This administrative bureaucratics state 134 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 3: they're going to do what they want to do. And 135 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 3: if you look statistically, it's something like ninety five plus 136 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 3: percent of the donations coming out of some of these 137 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 3: departments and agencies when they do make a political donation 138 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 3: now go to Democrats. For some departments and agencies, it's 139 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 3: one hundred percent. These two, I think, are puppeteers that 140 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 3: are moving the thing forward. We have term limits on 141 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 3: members of Congress, or at. 142 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: Least we should, I should say, but we should also 143 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 2: have them on the bureaucrats and the administrative state. 144 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: How hard is it to fire certain bureaucrats? 145 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 2: Oh impossible. It is. 146 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 3: Literally you could probably on two hands count the number 147 00:07:58,920 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 3: of times. 148 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 2: That that happens. 149 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 3: I had to actually run, sponsor and pass a bill 150 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 3: that said when you move from one department or agency 151 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 3: that your record goes with you, Because some people would 152 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 3: be caught doing some very salacious or just downright illegal 153 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 3: things and they would just transfer them to another department 154 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 3: and their record wouldn't go with them. And the unions 155 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 3: and what they've done to protect their own it's what 156 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 3: drives me crazy. Inspector General Horowitz at the Department of 157 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 3: Justice puts out a quarterly report. I still read these things. 158 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 3: They make dozens upon dozens. 159 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,599 Speaker 2: Of criminal referrals. 160 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 3: Not only do they not pursue and and you know, 161 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 3: a criminal prosecution, these people don't even get a demotion 162 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 3: or a demerit on their record. I mean, it's just 163 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 3: it almost never happened. 164 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: I don't think it would surprise anyone listening that we 165 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: have a bunch of criminals running government. 166 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 3: Well, there's some good decent people, but it's going to 167 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 3: take a strong president to go in and blow out 168 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,719 Speaker 3: the political class, the ones who are the political appointees, 169 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 3: and then has some major structural reform so that you 170 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 3: can get in, serve your country, then get out the 171 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 3: country you better served it. In the puppeteers, I advocate 172 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 3: that we got to starve the beast if you keep 173 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 3: feeding the beast with all this money, that is the power, 174 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 3: and they know it and they keep doing it. That's 175 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 3: what ex trillion dollars are. Federal government is spending. Almost 176 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 3: one out of every four to five dollars in the 177 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 3: entire country is spent by the federal government. It's absurd. 178 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: Quick break more with Jason. I think the frustration for 179 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: a lot of people is that it seems like neither 180 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: party is really inclined to spend less. The fight seems 181 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: to be more about what the money is spent on 182 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: versus actually raining and the spending. 183 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 3: I totally agree with you, and as I said earlier 184 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 3: in the debt ceiling fight, we were arguing over less 185 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 3: than ten percent of the budget, most of its mandatory 186 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 3: programmatic spending. So if you're not willing to address the 187 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 3: ninety percent of the budget that's driving forward, guess what 188 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 3: you end up with a debt that's right now we're 189 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 3: paying about two billion dollars a day just in interest 190 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 3: on the debt. And then we have a bill that's 191 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 3: out there where we say, oh, we're going to claw 192 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 3: back one point nine billion dollars from the IRS, but 193 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 3: they just got eighty billion and that doesn't even cover 194 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 3: one day of interest payment. So don't tell me that 195 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 3: we're moving the ball in the right direction. We're just 196 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 3: getting the hole deeper and deeper. 197 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: But then, of course the conundrum is that if you 198 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,479 Speaker 1: go after that mandatory spending, you get killed politically. 199 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 3: Well, I think that's right, and until America actually demands 200 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 3: it probably won't happen. I believe that we need a 201 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 3: balance budget amendment in order to ultimately get there. Let 202 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 3: the states decide if we're actually going to balance our budgets. 203 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 3: But my argument is that while while Medicaid, Medicare, and 204 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 3: Social Security they have to have reform order to save them, 205 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 3: what about all the hundreds and hundreds of other programs 206 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 3: that are on autopilot. This is what I think, as 207 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 3: I point out on the Puppeteer's book, this is. 208 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: What the Democrats want. 209 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 3: They want a permanency, They want government that isn't swayed 210 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 3: by a particular election. And now it's nearly impossible once 211 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 3: the program's in place. I think Ronald Reagan talked about 212 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 3: this to actually kill it. And they know that they 213 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 3: created when Obama was the president and they had the 214 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 3: House to send in the Presidency, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, 215 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 3: and in puppeteers. I talk about this because it's funded 216 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 3: not through Congress, not through appropriations by the American people. 217 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 3: It was funded through the Federal Reserve. And that's scary 218 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 3: because then there's zero accountability, nobody elected in that process. 219 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 3: Now it's in the courts, we'll see how that plays out, 220 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 3: but I think it's unconstitutional. But that's what the Democrats 221 00:11:55,720 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 3: vision of the world is. Government runs without Congress overseeing it. 222 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,719 Speaker 1: Well, and it really underscores why our founding fathers and 223 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: the founding generation wanted us to have a decentralized government 224 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 1: to avoid the situation that we are in now. 225 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: Totally. This is the problem. 226 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 3: And when our as a percentage of our gross domestic product, 227 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,719 Speaker 3: when we're up at twenty two plus percent, those are 228 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 3: absurd numbers that are unsustainable and the consequences, I mean, 229 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 3: we're just headed towards financial ruin if we don't do that. 230 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 3: But there are puppeteers that want to. They like it 231 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 3: this way. They don't care, and they want power and 232 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 3: they want money, and that's how they get it. 233 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: What role did the federal government play in ballot harvesting? 234 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 3: Well, this is one thing that the Puppeteers book also uncovers, 235 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 3: it really exposes. And if there's one story in the 236 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 3: book that you really want to have illuminated and understand it, 237 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 3: you have to go back into March. After the President 238 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 3: Biden has put in office and he issues Executive Order 239 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 3: one for zero one point nine. He puts Susan Rice 240 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 3: in charge of this and it directs all the departments, 241 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 3: all the federals in like six hundred of them, departments 242 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 3: and agencies to come up with the plan to get 243 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 3: out the vote. Now, it wasn't a get out the 244 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 3: vote effort for everybody. It was for and it literally 245 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 3: the executive order says for approved non government organizations. And 246 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 3: we would love to see what the president what these 247 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 3: six hundred plans actually advocate, but they're protected because our 248 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 3: President Biden is claiming executive privilege and there's a Freedom 249 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 3: of Information Act request in the courts. He will not 250 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 3: reveal what this is, but basically he wants to take 251 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 3: all the federal departments, agencies, personnel, physical facilities to get 252 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 3: out the vote. Well, when you have ninety five plus 253 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 3: percent of certain departments and agencies donating to Democrats, guess what, 254 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 3: it's a democratic machine, not open to Republicans or somebody 255 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 3: other side of the aisle. How much money are they 256 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 3: spending doing this? And why was Susan Rice in charge 257 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 3: of this and so adamant that it happened. This is 258 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 3: a very scary part of how these puppeteers work and 259 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 3: are leveraging our own tax taxpayer dollars against us. 260 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: I mean, Democrats are much better at weaponizing government and 261 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: molding government to their interests and to fit their desires 262 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: and narratives. 263 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 3: Is where they worship. This is their altar, is what 264 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 3: they believe in, and it's working for them. They just 265 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 3: want more of it. They just don't want to live 266 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 3: in a world where an election can destroy that. 267 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: I mean, should Republicans then be better at doing the same, 268 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: entrenching government with our own people, with our own desires, 269 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: with the things that we want accomplished and done. 270 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 3: What I argue in the in the book The Puppeteer's 271 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 3: Book is that we have to starve the beast, that 272 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 3: we need to have this discussion with the American people 273 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 3: because I think issue wise, we're on the right side, 274 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 3: and you've got to start somewhere. You got to start 275 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 3: clipping the wings somewhere somehow or otherwise. It's going to 276 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 3: be forced upon us because of the financial ruin that 277 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 3: we will have In terms of elections. I look, I 278 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 3: wish everybody would just vote on the same day with 279 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 3: same information. Maybe it's two days show an identification. But 280 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 3: you know, so much of this fight, Lisa, it's going 281 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 3: to happen at the state level. Elections are administered at 282 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 3: the state level. You got to fight this with your 283 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 3: state legislature. As I articulated earlier, it's going to be 284 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 3: these sleepy races like the treasurer's race or your attorney 285 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 3: general race. It really is federalism that will kind of 286 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 3: save the day. But people ask me all the time. 287 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 3: They probably ask you all the time, you know, what 288 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 3: can I do? I read this book and I get depressed, 289 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 3: and I get mad, I get frustrated. 290 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 2: What can I do? But we try to. 291 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 3: Offer solutions the book too, by saying these are the 292 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 3: races that you should get involved with and engage with. 293 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 3: You know, there's a reason why the Department of Justice 294 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 3: is going after parents because parents are suddenly showing up 295 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 3: at school board meetings and it's like, wait, what you're 296 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 3: going to try to take control of this away from us. 297 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 3: Of course they're going to fight you on that. 298 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: You know, but there's a school of thought then that 299 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: we should respond in kind. You know, if they are 300 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: going to target or people politically, then you know, perhaps 301 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: they need to be on the receiving end of a 302 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: department of justice that isn't aligned with them, or state 303 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: attorneys or district attorneys in conservative areas going after democrats. 304 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: Is it time to perhaps meet power with power. 305 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 3: I would argue that if you have the purity of 306 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 3: what you're trying to do to defang government, I want 307 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 3: to fight with every tool, not one hand behind the back. 308 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 3: But I think if we've got to build these coal 309 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 3: in masks and go out and get the job done 310 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 3: so that, for instance, school boards are actually administered with 311 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 3: parents first and foremost in their minds, that kids and parents. 312 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 3: We tell a story in the in the in the 313 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 3: book on the Puppeteers about you know, this case where 314 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 3: the school was working with a minor to go through 315 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 3: the transition of you know, changing this person from one 316 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 3: gender to another gender, but not telling the parents. I mean, 317 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 3: this is how aggressive these people are. They really do 318 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 3: believe this, you know, one thing I want people to 319 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 3: be aware of. A new buzzword, if you will, that 320 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 3: you got to be careful of. 321 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 2: Is called community schools. 322 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 3: Brandy Weingarten at the head of the Teachers Union, one 323 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 3: of the big ones. She has some three hundred million 324 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 3: dollars at her disposal. And Gavin Newsome has really helped 325 00:17:55,920 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 3: lead the charge in California to develop community schools. Downs nice, right, 326 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,719 Speaker 3: a community school. Who's going to be against the community school? 327 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 3: But they want the totality of the child, everything from 328 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 3: their haircut to what they wear. They're going to give 329 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 3: everybody a computer. Oh nice, they're going to give you 330 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 3: a computer. But it's really a money making scheme form 331 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 3: because they're going to take the data of everything that 332 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 3: twelve year old or ten year old is doing and 333 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 3: sell the data so that they can follow this person 334 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 3: and send messages and teach them about their democratic heroes. 335 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 3: Not a actual American history and certainly not one with balance. 336 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 3: That's what they're trying to do. They're really making a 337 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 3: concerted effort, first and foremost in California to change education. 338 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 3: And Puppeteers spends a lot of time talking about these 339 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 3: people they're they're grooming these kids and these parents to 340 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 3: be an advocate for a community school, but it's a 341 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 3: political ploy, Lisa to the endth degree. 342 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: Quick commercial break. More on the puppeteers. I think we've 343 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: sort of lost purity as a country, and so I 344 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know. I think to some degree 345 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: we might have to have a little bit more muscular 346 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: conservatism given the environment that we live in. I mean, 347 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: you know, you've got certain states that are essentially sanctuary 348 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: states for transgender you know children, right, they're like where 349 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: they're going to try to keep their parents away from 350 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: the decision making. We're entering into a different era in 351 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: my opinion politically, where you know, and even to your 352 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 1: point about the federal government with the ballot harvesting, where 353 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: even elections aren't really free and fair anymore, right, Like, 354 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: the system is broken, and so I don't know if 355 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: we have to, you know, kind of if we need 356 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: to use new tactics in dealing with government and dealing 357 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: with these people who who are evil my I mean, 358 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: you're evil in my opinion if you want to encourage 359 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: children to mutilate their bodies and the name of transgenderism, 360 00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: I mean, that's an evil person in my opinion. 361 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree with you and I the world 362 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 3: is changing. You know, it used to be when I 363 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 3: kind of first started doing the political thing, I thought 364 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 3: we were all fighting for the same thing, but we 365 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 3: had a different way of getting there. I don't think 366 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 3: that's true anymore. I think, unfortunately that's changed. I mean, 367 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 3: the idea that we had to have a national dialogue, 368 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 3: but I think is still ongoing about should we stand 369 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 3: for the flag and the national anthem. I mean, we 370 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 3: just saw in the Capital students singing the national anthem 371 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 3: and the Capitol Hill police coming over and telling them 372 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 3: no because people would be offended. I mean, really, like, 373 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 3: I never thought i'd see the day these types of things. 374 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 3: So it is a scary world that way. I worry 375 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 3: about my kids. I got grandkids. I'm enough out grandkids, 376 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 3: and I worry about the world they're living in. And 377 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 3: so yeah, I think you're right. I like the way 378 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 3: you say that, a more muscular conservative conservativism that gets 379 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 3: after it and says no, let's take these fights head 380 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 3: on for what there is and say no, we're not 381 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 3: going to do that. It's a radical idea to think 382 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 3: you're going to have men compete in women's sports. Let's 383 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 3: have that discussion. 384 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, you know, and it's crazy too because I 385 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 1: know that we sort of have parallel lives in the 386 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: sense of, you know, I live in Florida full time, 387 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 1: but I'm up in New York quite frequently, and you're 388 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: in Utah. And you've you know, had to live in 389 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: DC for periodically when you were in Congress, and then 390 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: also you're in New York quite a bit. So it's 391 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: like you almost realize how different, you know, how we 392 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: really do live in two different America is when you 393 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 1: live in free states like we do, and then you 394 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: go into these l it's just night and day, like 395 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: just everything about it, right, Like you still have people 396 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 1: walking around in masks, like you know, it's just a 397 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: different world. 398 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 3: I think there's a reason why, you know, in Gavin 399 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 3: Newsom's California, I mean, it's tragic, right. You see the homelessness, 400 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 3: You see this like zombie apocalypse that, you know, walking 401 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,479 Speaker 3: around the streets, and then people fleeing. 402 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 2: They're losing a population. 403 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 3: And they're going to like you did, You're going to Florida, 404 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 3: you know, and they're going to Utah and Idaho and 405 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 3: in more freedom loving free states. I just hope that 406 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 3: they don't change along the way too much, that the 407 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 3: attractant doesn't change because they've moved from something they grew 408 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 3: up with into something that doesn't work, like New York 409 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 3: or California. 410 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: You cheered the House Oversight Committee. What did you learn 411 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: in that experience? Was there anything that sort of shocked 412 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: you about government or what did that kind of teach 413 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: you about the way government works? 414 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 3: I think first and foremost, and I think Trey Goudy 415 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 3: was my colleague. I probably spent more time with Trey 416 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 3: Goudy when I was there during my time than any 417 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 3: other person. Here are other people like, you know, Tim 418 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 3: Scott and John Ratcliffe, I spent a lot of time with, 419 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 3: but Trey probably more than anything. And I kind of 420 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 3: compared notes and said, you know, one of the biggest disappointments, 421 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 3: and it was the lack of intellectual curiosity and honest 422 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 3: reporting from the national media that these revered institutions of 423 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 3: you know, the New York Times and the Washington Post 424 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 3: had become political newsletters as opposed to an advocate, as 425 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 3: opposed to calling balls and strikes and actually telling America 426 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 3: what's really happening in the battles of Congress. I grew up, 427 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 3: you know, watching you know, Woodward and Bernstein and all 428 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 3: the president's men, saying, Oh, wouldn't that be great to 429 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 3: be the person uncover that. And then I realized they 430 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 3: are the problem. They are not the solution. And then 431 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 3: the other thing is this unequal application of justice. It 432 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 3: really does. It bothers me. It scares me. The weaponization 433 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 3: of government to move a political agenda. 434 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 2: I didn't think we would use that. 435 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 3: Against a whole political movement and parties, that conservatives would 436 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 3: be so aggressively targeted. You know, I was chairman of 437 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 3: the Oversight Committee. I had a Secret Service, literally the 438 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 3: number two person that's secret Service issued a statement saying 439 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 3: it's time to even the fight, and they had forty 440 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 3: Secret Service agents dive into my background trying to find 441 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 3: dirt on me to publicly embarrass me. That when I 442 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 3: got after the IRS and the lowest learner case and 443 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 3: all that, and suddenly I have a hearing and I'm 444 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 3: making inroads, obviously, and then I get an audit, you 445 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 3: know a few days later. I just didn't think that 446 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 3: happened in America, and it does, and I saw it firsthand, 447 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 3: and it scares me. 448 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 1: Well, I didn't know that they went after you personally. 449 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: I mean I knew that, you know, obviously you're going 450 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: to get criticized, but I didn't realize that they had 451 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: actually used government in that way against you. 452 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 3: Well, nobody reports it, That's the thing. The story comes 453 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 3: out and then it barely gets a blip on the map, like, oh, yeah, 454 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 3: well of course you're a Republican. 455 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: Have you ever noticed how anytime Democrats I had to 456 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: do something wrong, the article is not about the wrong 457 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: that they've done, the articles about how Republicans are pouncing. 458 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 2: It's like, exactly, it's so true. 459 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 3: It's like you know that they're taking political advantages and 460 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 3: they're pouncing like they're the ones that that's wrong. 461 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: It's not that Joe Biden is deeply corrupped. The story 462 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: is that we're pouncing on it. 463 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 2: It's exactly. 464 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 3: Never mind that there's a highly credible source that the 465 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 3: government has paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to and 466 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 3: that is documented that they had a conversation about bribery 467 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 3: as the vice president of the United States. That's not 468 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 3: a story worthy of our Washington Post. 469 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: Come on, what shocked you? And right? I mean, because 470 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: obviously you know a lot about government, you know, House 471 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 1: oversight chairmen, you know, you were in Congress. You followed 472 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: this stuff for a long time. In writing this book, specifically, 473 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: what shocked. 474 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 3: You how brazen they were and the Puppeteers, you know, 475 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,959 Speaker 3: I didn't go into it thinking that the state treasurers 476 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 3: had trillions of dollars. I didn't know that Blackrock controls 477 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 3: at least five percent of ninety eight percent of the 478 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 3: S and P five hundred companies, and that they were 479 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 3: going to not only inject their personnel into government, but 480 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 3: they were going to fuse it together with their corporate objectives. 481 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 3: Like I didn't know any of that, and now I 482 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 3: look at it. One of the other illuminating things in 483 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 3: the Puppeteers book that was there is this this whole 484 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 3: idea that how you had the Department of Justice recently 485 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 3: come out and say white supremacy is the number one 486 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 3: threat to America. I had to really think about it, like, Okay, 487 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 3: if there's if there's somebody misusing that, let's let's go 488 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 3: after But is it really the number one threat to America? 489 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 2: The number one really? 490 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 3: And but you start to understand the political weaponization and 491 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 3: why they need that in place in order to justify 492 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 3: doing things that they would never be able to do otherwise, 493 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 3: things like facial recognition and tracking you and following you, 494 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 3: and ultimately to I think, have the goal of you know, 495 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 3: issuing you a social score that they could put a 496 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 3: stranglehold on the money, you could get loans, you could 497 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 3: take places, you could travel. I mean, we illustrate that 498 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 3: that's what they do they do in China, but I 499 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 3: see them doing that here in the United States. And 500 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 3: that's why again, if you're to go pick up the 501 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 3: Puppeteers book, I want to say, go over to the 502 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 3: horror section. But at the same time, I worry that 503 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 3: a lot of people who care about their country and 504 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 3: the flag and everything else, they're all fighting the wrong fights, 505 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 3: Like these are the fights that we ought to be fighting. 506 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 2: These are the things that. 507 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,199 Speaker 3: Are the bigger, broader problems. 508 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 2: That's why I wrote the book. 509 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 1: It's sad too, because I think, you know, sometimes obviously 510 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: hindsight is everything. Look, a lot of the stuff that happened, 511 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 1: like the Patriot Act and things Post nine to eleven 512 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: sort of laid the groundwork for giving government a whole 513 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: lot of power that they you know, government has now abused. 514 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 3: They never let a crisis go to waste, right, they 515 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 3: got to have something. That's why I think they're going 516 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 3: after you know, white supremacy. And there's always something like, 517 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 3: you know, we just had this this big smoke cloud 518 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 3: come over the Northeast and it became all the news. 519 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 2: We we do was deal with smoke out west all 520 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 2: the time, with forest fires. But they want to use 521 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 2: that to come up with new mandates. 522 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 3: And you know in New York, you know you should 523 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 3: should wear your mask, and we're going to have to 524 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 3: fight climate change and oh, you were going to we 525 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 3: have to do the Green New Deal. 526 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 2: See this is an example. 527 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 3: It's like they don't have a whole lot of respect 528 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 3: for the competency and the thoughtfulness of the American people. 529 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 3: They just think they can bulldoze right over them by 530 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 3: taking every single thing and making it a political statement 531 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 3: that ends up being more money, more taxes, and more control. 532 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 2: That's what that's what they want. And they've been highly successful. 533 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 2: You can make an argument been successful for them. 534 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: Oh they've been really smart about it. Sadly, you know, 535 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: we've kind of you know, Republicans are sort of been 536 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: asleep at the wheel as they've sort of taken over 537 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: the government and all these institutions, and now it's all 538 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: sort of all the arrows are pointing in our direction, 539 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: you know, Jason, before we go, lay out some solutions too, 540 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: because I know you had mentioned that, you know, you 541 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: worked on solutions in the book. What would you like 542 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: to see done. What do you think could actually be 543 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: effective in protecting Americans against some of this stuff. 544 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 3: We have to illuminate the problem and understand where the 545 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 3: fights are. Number Two, you've got to starve the beast. 546 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 3: You have to get rid of that, and then you 547 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 3: have to turn the tables on them. I conclude the 548 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 3: book by talking about what Glenn Youngkin, the governor of 549 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 3: Virginia did. He took diversity, equity and inclusion and he 550 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 3: changed it. 551 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 2: He said, oh, okay, we'll do that office. 552 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 3: And then they changed the name city opportunity and inclusion, 553 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 3: and opportunity for them met something totally different than equity. 554 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 3: And now Democrats are on their heels having to argue 555 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 3: why equity is better than opportunity. And you look at 556 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 3: that example and you start to realize states governors, attorneys general, 557 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 3: state treasurers. This is where the fight can and will 558 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 3: be and will be more more successful. Pull it out 559 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 3: of Washington d C. Don't let Washington d C control that. 560 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 3: I illuminate another one where a Freedom of Information Act requests 561 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 3: going way back to the Oklahoma City bombings was initiated 562 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 3: in Utah as opposed to Washington d C. And guess what, 563 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 3: Judge wattaps the federal judge there. That case is still 564 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 3: open and the Freedom of Information Act because they aren't 565 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 3: ingrained in the Washington d C bureaucracy. See that that 566 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 3: does a lot to actually move the ball forward. So 567 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 3: the fight is winable. It just we have to understand 568 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 3: what it is and then a different way of fighting. 569 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: I'm glad that you lay that out. That's important. Anything 570 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: else you want to leave us with before we. 571 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 3: Go, Look the puppeteers, the people who control, the people 572 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 3: who control. Why should America If you think Joe Biden 573 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 3: and Kamala Harris are pulling the strings, no, it ain't happening. 574 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 3: They can put in another group and these puppeteers are 575 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 3: going to be as strong as ever. And I think 576 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 3: people intuitively know it, they just haven't heard the stories. 577 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 3: So I appreciate the opportunity to talk about it. But 578 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 3: after years of research in my perch in Congress as 579 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 3: the chairman of the Oversight Committee, I have some insight 580 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 3: that maybe most haven't had, and I just hope people 581 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 3: take it to heart and have a chance to either 582 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 3: listen on the audiobook or download the electronic version or 583 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 3: read the hard copy. And I list I appreciate the 584 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 3: opportunity to talk about it. 585 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 2: I really do. 586 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you've seen the corruption up close, your friend. 587 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: It sounds like you're going to have another successful book 588 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: on your hands. I was state attorney general, That's what 589 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: I was thinking, I said, state attorney. I don't know. 590 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: You know when you I'm sure this happens to you 591 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: when you're on TV and stuff. You think of something 592 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: and you can't quite find the word, and then later 593 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:24,719 Speaker 1: you're like, ah, crab well, Jason, it's nice to have 594 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: you on. I hope to see well. We'll be on 595 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: our number together soon, so I'm looking forward to catch 596 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: you up in person. Puppeteers, everyone go get it, Jason, 597 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: talk to you soon, my friend. 598 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 2: Yes, I'll see you soon. 599 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: It was Jason Schaefitz, previously House Oversight Chairman, a Fox 600 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,719 Speaker 1: News contributor. He's a friend of mine, great guy. Him 601 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: and his wife just a really amazing family. Appreciate him 602 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: taking the time, joy and to come on the show. 603 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: I appreciate you all at home for listening. O. Thank 604 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: John Cassio and my producer for putting the show together 605 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: every Monday and Thursday. You can listen throughout the week. 606 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.