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Speaker 1: We got shakur Stevenson. We got Roly Romero joining us tonight,
Speaker 1: but first we got to get into the shocking turn
Speaker 1: of events involving Max Crosby. Oh Joe. Raiders broke the
Speaker 1: news that the trade had sending Max Crosby to the
Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens for two first round draft picks had been rescinded.
Speaker 1: Raiders alleged in the statement that the Ravens had backed
Speaker 1: out of the agreement reached four days earlier. It was
Speaker 1: then reported that medical concerns rose doing Cosby's physical and
Speaker 1: were a catalyst for the dissolution of the deal. Ravens
Speaker 1: GM Eric DaCosta said today nobody is more upset than him,
Speaker 1: gutted by it. Actually big regret for me, but we
Speaker 1: will move forward at the football team. The Costa added
Speaker 1: that losing center Tyler lending bomb to the Raiders and
Speaker 1: the Ravens beginning a envision of possibility of pairing Crosby
Speaker 1: with Henderson, excuse me with Hendrix, whom the team signed today,
Speaker 1: but Crosby's medical outlook prevented the possibility from materializing. Jane
Speaker 1: Slater reported that the Ravens considered reading negotiating of the
Speaker 1: Crosby trayed to account for the team's discomfort with the
Speaker 1: edge Russis prognosis. Ultimately, however, the team opted to withdraw
Speaker 1: from the deal entirely, Oh Joe, we don't normally see
Speaker 1: this now. The Ravens have been in a situation where,
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly the brock marry, they really liked
Speaker 1: him being down a Yoda issue. Michael Brockers had a
Speaker 1: neat issue and they rescinded the deal that was on
Speaker 1: the table. But you're talking about Max Crosby have a
Speaker 1: moniscous injury. Reports are that he had been dealing with
Speaker 1: this all year. This happened and started bothering in the
Speaker 1: off season. He played through it, he ended up having
Speaker 1: surgery and the type of her that he has, that's
Speaker 1: somewhere between the three and a six months month recovery time.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's a lateral meniscus or
Speaker 1: meteor meniscus, but that is a loan because he had
Speaker 1: it torn and I guess he had it repaired. If
Speaker 1: what the report's true, that that's a big timetable that
Speaker 1: puts him on to be recovered probably around yes, Oh Joe.
Speaker 1: Training camp starts about six weeks later in late July,
Speaker 1: so who knows, Like I said, could be early June,
Speaker 1: could be late June. But still he would have three
Speaker 1: weeks and I'm sure he'd be a liberited participant, and
Speaker 1: you kind of build him up to getting ready to
Speaker 1: go come September. When you heard that the trade for
Speaker 1: Max Prosby had been rescinded, what did you think?
Speaker 2: And you're like, Okay, well, I've never seen anything like that.
Speaker 3: I've never seen anything like that, especially a player like
Speaker 3: mac Crosby, that's an impact player that makes your team
Speaker 3: exponentially better right away. Just his presidence alone and the
Speaker 3: fact that they rescinded it, I didn't know what was
Speaker 3: going on. The first thing that that dawned on me, well,
Speaker 3: maybe he failed this physical obviously that that's the only
Speaker 3: thing I could think of, because I know a player,
Speaker 3: a player himself wouldn't say, you know what, I don't
Speaker 3: want to be here, and he lets the team knows
Speaker 3: he doesn't.
Speaker 2: He rather wishes not to not to be here.
Speaker 3: But once that did happen, I thought about it well,
Speaker 3: understanding that they knew he had a knee issue, they
Speaker 3: knew about they had knee surgery, he knew about knee surgery.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, I'm gonna I'm confused. What did
Speaker 3: you what did you expect the physicals to look like?
Speaker 3: Obviously he's even rehabbed. Obviously he's recovering. He would probably
Speaker 3: be ready in time for a football season to play.
Speaker 3: And the fact that he played on it and had
Speaker 3: ten plus sacks or maybe maybe ten sacks this season
Speaker 3: and he was forced to sit out the last the
Speaker 3: last two games of the season, I think it would
Speaker 3: be okay, he would recover. So I'm confused on why
Speaker 3: they chose to do this. Why they chose, you know.
Speaker 2: To rescind, to rescind him him being there. It makes
Speaker 2: no sense to me.
Speaker 3: And I like the fact think they were gonna try
Speaker 3: to pair Henderson and Crosby together. Hell that they would
Speaker 3: have been hell on wheels they were able to pull
Speaker 3: that off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if you really look at it, Henderson
Speaker 1: might be a better pure pass rusher, But overall, I
Speaker 1: think because Crosby plays the run so much better than Henderson,
Speaker 1: I think he gives them a dynamic and you know,
Speaker 1: you got to have somebody that can set the edge,
Speaker 1: and Max Crosby can set the edge, but he could
Speaker 1: also become very disruptive, pressure your quarterback and get to
Speaker 1: your quarterback. Henderson we've seen over the last couple of
Speaker 1: years in which he wasn't injured. You see the numbers
Speaker 1: that he's put up. He is a pure pass rusher.
Speaker 1: Drafted by the New Orleans Saints. It ended up going
Speaker 1: to became a free agency and go to Cincinnati and
Speaker 1: played extremely well. Reports are that he probably took a
Speaker 1: little less money to go to Baltimore. But I think
Speaker 1: there were some hard feelings. He's like, you had years
Speaker 1: to get this done, not all of a sudden you
Speaker 1: want me because I could potentially be going to a
Speaker 1: division rival. Oh Joe, Look, I agree with you and
Speaker 1: everything that you said. They knew he had surgery. Maybe
Speaker 1: you looking at it because you looking at it long
Speaker 1: term because you got max frosts. But I think you're
Speaker 1: all one hundred and something million dollars on that contract. Now,
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, I couldn't be wrong, and chat
Speaker 1: forgive me if I'm miss speaking. I think this is
Speaker 1: the only year in which he's had he has guaranteed
Speaker 1: money of the contract. So now I'm looking at it,
Speaker 1: o yo, and he's only twenty nine. Okay, yes he
Speaker 1: had he had surgery on the knee. But what doctness
Speaker 1: can see is that what you to the neked untrained,
Speaker 1: I can't see is degeneration. Now it looks good this year,
Speaker 1: but what happens next year? And as we move on.
Speaker 1: Now you're talking about somebody that dealing with degeneration and
Speaker 1: the need did you So I got an author a
Speaker 1: very authoritic right knee, same thing with the left knee,
Speaker 1: and I got basically bone on bone on the lateral side,
Speaker 1: which is the outside, and I'm damn near bone on
Speaker 1: bone on the inside, which is the media aniscus. And
Speaker 1: what has happened is I've gotten older. Stuff start to happen.
Speaker 1: This is what and you see it with a lot
Speaker 1: of old people don't show they didn't play sports. If
Speaker 1: I get older and cartilage starts to dissipate and you
Speaker 1: get that bone on bone, I'm fortunate enough to be
Speaker 1: in a situation where I can afford, you know, great
Speaker 1: medical care and I don't have all these hang ups.
Speaker 1: I can go, Okay, what's going on now? Insurance company
Speaker 1: wouldn't take care of whatever I had going on, so
Speaker 1: I had to pay for my own in mind, no problem.
Speaker 1: And then I go to the one doctor he says, okay,
Speaker 1: you can do X, Y and Z. I go come
Speaker 1: to the doctor out here I'm at curling job and
Speaker 1: go to the doctor that did my helps and he
Speaker 1: looks at him like, well, shatn't let me explain it
Speaker 1: to you. It's X, Y and Z so forth the soon.
Speaker 1: But you know you got degeneration, degenerative needs and eventually, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you anything that you didn't already know.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to have knee replacement, if not one,
Speaker 1: probably both of your knees. But the right need that
Speaker 1: I'm looking at now, you're gonna have to. So I
Speaker 1: think that's what the Ravens doctors are looking at, is
Speaker 1: that okay, yeah, it's healing up properly, but we see
Speaker 1: some degeneration in this knee and that's never good because
Speaker 1: you know, to be on the hook for a need
Speaker 1: that could be not just me speculating now, I haven't
Speaker 1: talked to anybody, but I'm saying, as a doctor, you
Speaker 1: probably look at it as Ravens like hold on now
Speaker 1: in order for this to make sense to us, O Joe,
Speaker 1: because you got to realize what we'll be giving up
Speaker 1: were giving up the number fourteen pick this year, and
Speaker 1: who knows what that pick. You hope that if the
Speaker 1: trade would have gone through, we so we're thirty two.
Speaker 1: Ideally with thirty two, if we give up a thirty
Speaker 1: two pick next year, You don't that mean, no, Joe,
Speaker 1: we weren't Super Bowl most definitely thirty one. That means
Speaker 1: we were in the Super Honestly, nine thirty old, Joe,
Speaker 1: we're even the championship.
Speaker 3: This is whatever is what I'm thinking about. You think
Speaker 3: about a player that's twenty nine years old. Twenty nine
Speaker 3: years old, yes, a player like Matt Crosby, that's a distructor.
Speaker 3: He's been in the NFL for a few years. And
Speaker 3: if you give, if you take an MRI, if you
Speaker 3: do it, am I Of all the players that have eight, nine,
Speaker 3: or ten, ten years or more, I'm sure there's something
Speaker 3: alarming when everybody's MRI. If you look at it, it
Speaker 3: always is. Nobody is one hundred percent healthy. Everyone has issues,
Speaker 3: whatever it may be. I just know that a cross
Speaker 3: that we saw that was on the field last year,
Speaker 3: but the Las Vegas Raiders was an impact player and
Speaker 3: he made a difference.
Speaker 2: Every time he was out there, even doing a losing effort,
Speaker 2: he was.
Speaker 3: Still a disruptor. He still was able to set their EDGs.
Speaker 3: He was still able to disrupt the past. Depending on
Speaker 3: who they were playing, it really didn't matter.
Speaker 2: No one can stop him. You can only hope to
Speaker 2: contain a player like Max.
Speaker 3: So to let him go because of what you see,
Speaker 3: you know, in an MRI when he was already hurt
Speaker 3: last year and he's recovering, he has rehab and you
Speaker 3: doctors have the resources to get him as healthy as possible,
Speaker 3: and you know what you get with an almost healthy
Speaker 3: or even ninety ninety five percent Max Crosby, and you
Speaker 3: let him go, and and understanding what he can do
Speaker 3: for your team and making your team exponentially better, you know,
Speaker 3: especially if you're pay him. With Henderson, I'm like, I don't,
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't, I don't see. Listen, it's a
Speaker 3: business decision.
Speaker 2: On their part.
Speaker 3: I just understand, as great as he is, even with
Speaker 3: a messed up knee, where he's gonna recover, where he's
Speaker 3: gonna rehab, there's no way, I said back, But obviously
Speaker 3: I listen. I don't own I don't own the goddamn Ravens.
Speaker 1: It ain't my destinase you ain't got one hundred plus
Speaker 1: billion dollars. But here's the thing, O Joe. What if
Speaker 1: I told you you can get a very similar player?
Speaker 1: Hold up, and this is what they do, O Joe.
Speaker 1: What if I told you I could get you a
Speaker 1: similar house for about sixty seven million dollars cheaper the
Speaker 1: payments are being cheaper monthly pretty much the same house,
Speaker 1: maybe a five hundred square foot different. But I'm but
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be probably over the course of it,
Speaker 1: I'll probably say you're about twenty eight million dollars. But
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you a very similar house. Right there,
Speaker 1: A a two acre lot, nice size infinity pool, probably
Speaker 1: about twelve thousand square feet. Uh, seven baths, full baths,
Speaker 1: you know, two half baths, you know, eight bedrooms, gorgeous,
Speaker 1: a theater. If I told you I can get you
Speaker 1: a similar house to the one that you really love,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna save you twenty eight million dollars, would
Speaker 1: you be interested?
Speaker 4: And and and.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna have to give up those two first
Speaker 1: round picks.
Speaker 2: If you could, you could, you could, but I'm in
Speaker 2: the now, right now.
Speaker 1: I'm in the now.
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not worried about down and down the road.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to if I'm playing poker, I'm putting all
Speaker 3: the cars on the table. I'm putting all the cars
Speaker 3: on the table, and I'm trusting my I'm trusting my
Speaker 3: doctors to an extent because I.
Speaker 4: Want Max Frogy here.
Speaker 2: You got to I want Max Krosby here.
Speaker 3: We got goddamn we got Trey Henderson in the building
Speaker 3: when negotiating this contract. We have Max in the building.
Speaker 3: I'm taking all my cards and I'm putting on the table.
Speaker 1: I'm out.
Speaker 2: I'm out.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing.
Speaker 2: I'm taking a gamble. I'm taking a gamble.
Speaker 1: I'm not taking a gamble with two first round picks.
Speaker 1: If I can get them at a lower rate. Would
Speaker 1: can you talk about to I'm not taking.
Speaker 2: You talking about two first roun you don't know what
Speaker 2: you're getting. There's no there's no telling them two third
Speaker 2: round picks that can come in and make any goddamn difference.
Speaker 1: But what if his need doesn't hold up this year?
Speaker 1: What if that knee is bad and then I'm stuck?
Speaker 1: What if that need is like Dante Colepepper's me, then
Speaker 1: what do I do?
Speaker 2: How did he look before they force him?
Speaker 1: How did Dante Cole?
Speaker 2: We're not talking about Dante Copo. We talked about Max Crosny,
Speaker 2: the one that played.
Speaker 1: All sen You got him basic on the medicals. Oh Joe,
Speaker 1: he was held all season long. He ain't gave you
Speaker 1: ten sacks.
Speaker 2: What are we talking about?
Speaker 1: No, he didn't. He gave They made himself the last
Speaker 1: tew days. If you go back and look at it,
Speaker 1: look at the numbers Trey Henderson versus Max Crosley twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen to where they are now. Who has more sacks?
Speaker 1: Who has a high pressure rate?
Speaker 2: I don't have it in front of me, and I
Speaker 2: can get Trey Henderson.
Speaker 1: I can get Trey hendricks from for about five to
Speaker 1: seven million dollars a year cheaper, and I don't have
Speaker 1: to give up ish so I can get o Jo.
Speaker 1: I can get you in this house and you don't
Speaker 1: have the down.
Speaker 3: I understand what you're saying, Unk, But I understand what
Speaker 3: you're saying, But I'm looking at it. I'm looking at
Speaker 3: it from a different standpoint as a team, as an organization,
Speaker 3: as a team, at the organization that continues to miss
Speaker 3: in the first round as a team in the organization
Speaker 3: that was horrible on defense last year, especially at the
Speaker 3: beginning of the season. How how bad are backing is
Speaker 3: or was you know, constantly getting beat? How can I
Speaker 3: make a difference. I'm gambling, this is this is what.
Speaker 2: This is what it's all about.
Speaker 1: Oh, like Trey Henderson. You make it seem like Trey
Speaker 1: Henderson a bomb. The man had thirty five sacks.
Speaker 2: I'm not calling him a bum. You know I wouldn't
Speaker 2: do that. I'm just saying he had to What I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not saying you are, but I'm saying
Speaker 1: you making it seem like Max Crosby is just expedentially.
Speaker 1: Hold on, this is not a Miles Gads. If you're
Speaker 1: talking about Miles Gad. Okay, we have a conversation because
Speaker 1: that's a two time Defensive Player of the Year and
Speaker 1: the guy that has.
Speaker 3: Like one hundred Like, hey, but you mean to tell
Speaker 3: you mean to tell me I get I get the
Speaker 3: best of both worlds. I get the best of both else. Now,
Speaker 3: on on one hand, I have a player who's injured,
Speaker 3: who just had surgery. But then I understand what I
Speaker 3: get based off the small sample side of how I've
Speaker 3: seen him in Las Vegas and what he's done on
Speaker 3: an injured knee.
Speaker 2: I'm trusting the I'm trusting the process. I'm trusting the doctors.
Speaker 2: I'm trusting rehabit.
Speaker 1: I'm trusting all your chance to trust who doctors. So
Speaker 1: why do you have the Why do you have those
Speaker 1: doctors on payroll if you're not gonna trust them to
Speaker 1: a properly evaluate players that are coming in that you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to spend one hundred plus million dollars and
Speaker 1: give up first round pick this year, which is number fourteen,
Speaker 1: and next year's first rounder for a first rounder. I
Speaker 1: can understand if it's thirty two, no problem. That means
Speaker 1: who won the Super Bowl? But but and I get it.
Speaker 1: Drew Brees had a very simpler situation. Miami Dolphin flucked
Speaker 1: his shoulder on the physical. He goes to New Orleans and.
Speaker 2: Now the same thing it happened, and a same it
Speaker 2: can be. It could same thing can happened.
Speaker 3: You know what, and and and and for them causing
Speaker 3: this message, this is what I'm hoping, This is what
Speaker 3: I'm hoping. I'm not a crystal ball, but most of
Speaker 3: the time since we've been on the show. You know,
Speaker 3: sometimes I've been right. I've been righting, not the ninety eight.
Speaker 2: Percent of the time.
Speaker 3: When I talk about players going certain places and it's
Speaker 3: come to fruition, you know, it would be a funny
Speaker 3: thing that the bank could do.
Speaker 2: You know, it would be a funny thing that the
Speaker 2: bank could do. The bank get me, they can go
Speaker 2: get Mac Croby. They could take that chance.
Speaker 3: They can trust in our doctors, they can trust in
Speaker 3: the rehab process and hoping he's back, and knowing even
Speaker 3: with a non healthy mac Crosby, we saw what he
Speaker 3: did last year. We saw what he did last year
Speaker 3: where the Raiders forced him and to sit those last
Speaker 3: two games out. I would love for it to happen.
Speaker 3: I would I would love for it to happen.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, now you're saying I can get
Speaker 1: Max Crosby. I don't have a problem. I have a problem.
Speaker 1: If the knee is as bad as the Ravens doctor
Speaker 1: think it is, we don't know, tod I'm an untrained now,
Speaker 1: you're untrained now. But if it's as bad as the
Speaker 1: doctors and raven the Ravens believe it is, two first
Speaker 1: round pieces off the table. Now he goes somewhere else
Speaker 1: and I have to give up a third round pick
Speaker 1: or a second and a fifth round pick. Now that's
Speaker 1: a deal. But two first round picks. Ain't gotta pay
Speaker 1: him thirty three million dollars a year.
Speaker 2: Come on, Joey, I hear you, I hear you.
Speaker 3: But but but but I'm willing. I'm willing to take
Speaker 3: the chance. I'm willing just like owners do all the time.
Speaker 2: They take chance.
Speaker 1: You're gonna give.
Speaker 3: You have to think about though, a chat. Stay with
Speaker 3: me real quick. You have to think opportunities like this
Speaker 3: to get a player that can change the direction of
Speaker 3: your franchise, especially defensively. Don't come around at often. He
Speaker 3: don't come around it often. Even with the Limb and Crosby.
Speaker 3: He makes a difference. We have to understand who were
Speaker 3: talking about. Now, we're not just talking about just the guy.
Speaker 3: We ain't talking about the jag.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, he no no health.
Speaker 2: So that's that's why the top five, that's.
Speaker 3: Why it would be a little hesitant. Okay, we got
Speaker 3: a little hiccup. Okay, we understand he had surgery, you know,
Speaker 3: and I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure I understand how you feel on it.
Speaker 3: I'm curious, I don't I don't have my chat up.
Speaker 3: I'm curious to see what the chat thinks about it.
Speaker 3: But I will take that chance.
Speaker 1: I think they're going I think they're back and forth
Speaker 1: on yo. Now, it could it could be a total
Speaker 1: situation like this by course, like damn, we gave up
Speaker 1: two first round picks, number fourteenth pick this year. We
Speaker 1: don't know what twenty seven is gonna be. We're gonna
Speaker 1: have to pay him somewhere thirty two thirty three, thirty
Speaker 1: four million dollars a year and the knee situation, or
Speaker 1: we can go get Trey Hendrickson, play him, pay him
Speaker 1: five to seven million dollars cheaper per year, and I
Speaker 1: give him anything. Oh, Joe, I can get you in
Speaker 1: his house down payment. Yeah, and I'm gonna save you
Speaker 1: twenty eight million dollars. So because hey, and the thing is,
Speaker 1: you know a house, I'm saving you twenty eight million
Speaker 1: dollars and you don't have to put no money down.
Speaker 2: I mean, hey, you played poker.
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm not a gambler. You know, you know I'm I'm
Speaker 3: I'm cheap. I'm financially celibate. I'm financially celibate. But in
Speaker 3: this situation, there's certain situations at the GM as an
Speaker 3: owner understanding how bad I was, understanding where my weaknesses are,
Speaker 3: especially defensively, and it all started.
Speaker 2: We talk about it all season goddamn long.
Speaker 3: Not only was the back in bad hell, they couldn't
Speaker 3: get they couldn't get no goddamn pressure, nobody. This is
Speaker 3: one where I'm folding. If I got a hand, I'm
Speaker 3: folding based on who the player is regards with what
Speaker 3: that that?
Speaker 1: No? Do you mean to you're gonna play the hand?
Speaker 1: Fold me? You throw your card?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm throwing my cars in on crossby.
Speaker 1: He com come on, oh come on, No, if you
Speaker 1: can't throw your cards there, you throw your cards there.
Speaker 5: Oh oh.
Speaker 1: So in other words, you saying you shove.
Speaker 3: It, you go, I'm going all in with with with
Speaker 3: with the surgery, whatever you forget. Listen if the Costa
Speaker 3: is that his name, the Costa, Ye, I would listen
Speaker 3: to what the doctor say. Okay, what this is what
Speaker 3: you see?
Speaker 2: Okay, you know what. I'm taking a chance on him anyway,
Speaker 2: I'm taking a chance over the.
Speaker 1: Book I'm not. I'm not so because anytime, you know,
Speaker 1: you start getting a hundred million dollars, you know you
Speaker 1: got to go to the owner with that. So he's
Speaker 1: gonna ask, he's gonna come in there. He's gonna want
Speaker 1: to sit down with doctor Curroll. I know le Curll.
Speaker 1: She was, she was the team doctor. She was there
Speaker 1: when I was there bringing her in. What do you think, Doc? Look,
Speaker 1: I understand the player that he is, but it's risky.
Speaker 3: I like, I like, I'm taking that risk. We ain't
Speaker 3: talk about just anybody. We talked about the top five.
Speaker 2: Player at his position. That can change. Can you imagine
Speaker 2: Henderson on one side, Crosby on another?
Speaker 1: Like, before you go any further, Diana received a reported
Speaker 1: as part of the propos trays for Max Crosby, the
Speaker 1: Ravens were also prepared to sign him to a revised
Speaker 1: contract that would have paid him near the top of
Speaker 1: past Rusher's market. Max agent CJ. Leboard responded with two
Speaker 1: words fake news. Hm hmm. So everybody keeps saying that
Speaker 1: the goal, the objective was to sign Crosby and Henderson.
Speaker 1: Max Crosby's agent said, basically, that's not true. Uh. Crosby
Speaker 1: still could get traded, but he ain't. They're not getting
Speaker 1: no first round on him. They're not getting no first
Speaker 1: I don't believe they'll get a first round on it now,
Speaker 1: O Joe. Now, because here's the thing with the Raiders.
Speaker 1: The Raiders spent quarter of a billion dollars bringing it,
Speaker 1: excuse me, new players because they thought they were gonna
Speaker 1: have Crosby number off the books. Yeah. Now the question
Speaker 1: is do you rehabbing keeping or do you try do
Speaker 1: you try to move him on? I don't I me personally,
Speaker 1: you're definitely not getting to first. I don't believe you
Speaker 1: can get a first, but maybe a second and a fifth.
Speaker 3: Second, second, second, and the third, second and the third,
Speaker 3: second and third. Hey a ms Brown, Mike Brown. I
Speaker 3: know we got a lot of I know we got
Speaker 3: a lot of Bengal fans in the chat. He he
Speaker 3: coming to Cincinnati, he could he's coming to Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: Why not?
Speaker 2: Why not make it make sense?
Speaker 1: And you know what I like.
Speaker 3: I like the fact that the Ravens did this. I
Speaker 3: like the fact that the Ravens played played this game.
Speaker 3: You know, so basically they telling you how they feel
Speaker 3: about you anyway, So what better? What better message? What
Speaker 3: better message? And then not only that, now you got
Speaker 3: a chip on the shoulder. Now you'ven pissed him off.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 3: So that's how y'all feel. Okay, I'm gonna show you.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna show you. And how can he get him back?
Speaker 3: He can get him back by his play on the field.
Speaker 2: You can get it. And that's the type of player
Speaker 2: he is.
Speaker 1: Do you think this hurts Baltimore's reputation around the league
Speaker 1: to have a deal in place, because the deal is
Speaker 1: not consummated until the player. Now he has to pass
Speaker 1: that team that's trading for him. Doctors, physical, they have
Speaker 1: to be okay with it. Do you think this hurts
Speaker 1: bought the Ravens reputation because prid of this, for the
Speaker 1: most part, the Ravens reputation has been perfect.
Speaker 3: Christine, absolutely not. It's still the Baltimore Ravens. There's still
Speaker 3: it's still they still are who they are.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: When it comes to business, When it comes to money,
Speaker 3: players are gonna go where they're wanted. Players are gonna
Speaker 3: go where they're valued. If money talks, they will be
Speaker 3: there now for for for for us, the talking heads
Speaker 3: and those on the outside looking in, maybe we might
Speaker 3: feel this situation might ruin their reputation, but when it
Speaker 3: comes to business, when it comes to money, and when
Speaker 3: it comes to it's time to get paid, and the
Speaker 3: team is willing to pay you. And if it happened
Speaker 3: to be the Baltimore Ravens and Missus DaCosta and whoever
Speaker 3: else they going.
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: I agree with you, Oh Joe. I just think the
Speaker 1: thing is it became you look at it like damn
Speaker 1: to first rounders. I don't think anybody else had that
Speaker 1: kind of number. You hear, dallads had a first dinner sackup. Uh,
Speaker 1: you hear some teams have some other picks, but nobody
Speaker 1: to first. And but still even even even first with
Speaker 1: a guy coming off surgery. See that's what and I
Speaker 1: was telling you last year about Kirk Cousins. I said,
Speaker 1: oh Joe, you giving up one hundred and eighty million
Speaker 1: dollars guaranteed for a guy that's coming off a killis
Speaker 1: a quarterback that he wasn't mobile to begin with, and
Speaker 1: you draft the quarter and to exacerbate the matter, you
Speaker 1: take a quarterback with the number eighth overlall pick. And
Speaker 1: so that's what that was. My concern is that a
Speaker 1: guy that's coming. If Max Crosby was one hundred percent healthy,
Speaker 1: O Joe, he had no surgeries, I think two I
Speaker 1: think two to one is fine. But coming off the surgery,
Speaker 1: I'm a little more apprehensive than I would be had
Speaker 1: he not been coming off that surgery. I know, sometimes
Speaker 1: you gotta roll, you gotta roll the dice. New Orleans
Speaker 1: was willing to roll the dice. But here are the
Speaker 1: difference is with Drew Brees. Drew Brees didn't cast you
Speaker 1: any compensation, and basically it was a deal worth ten
Speaker 1: million dollars. We're talking about a deal worth north of
Speaker 1: one hundred million in two first rounds.
Speaker 2: Yes, I I understand it. I know, I know what
Speaker 2: you feel.
Speaker 3: But those for those two first round picks, they ain't
Speaker 3: coming and making that kind of difference like Max, and
Speaker 3: they ain't gonna make that kind of noise if you
Speaker 3: get mac Crosby out there healthy, I just know. So
Speaker 3: if look he still could be there, Oh he's gonna
Speaker 3: be He's gonna be there, you know, right there, he's
Speaker 3: gonna be at comingon airport.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pick him up. Don't worry about it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pick him up, don't worry about it?
Speaker 1: He Uh, would you be very it'd be very interesting,
Speaker 1: don't youhoe you? I mean that could happen. But what
Speaker 1: if he goes to the Browns with Miles Gap?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Hell no, come on man, hey, come on, man, come on, hey, Hey,
Speaker 2: don't do that. Hey, don't don't don't do that. Don't
Speaker 2: do that, don't do that. Hey, just a thought of that.
Speaker 2: That's that's nasty work. That's nasty work.
Speaker 1: Look, would I be surprised the Patriots get involved? Would
Speaker 1: I be surprised if the Eagles get involved? If they're
Speaker 1: a situation where the Bears could become involved, anybody that
Speaker 1: think they're close, if they are past Russia away, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: we know two first are off the table. I'm not
Speaker 1: so sure a first if on the table? How do
Speaker 1: we get a deal done with? How do we get
Speaker 1: a deal done between you and I? Max? From Max Crosby, Ojo,
Speaker 1: you said you be willing to give for two and
Speaker 1: the three? Okay, maybe a two un of three this
Speaker 1: year and at a fourth or a fifth according to
Speaker 1: how he plays. The fifth goes to a fourth if
Speaker 1: he gets double digit sacks X, Y and Z. But
Speaker 1: don't be surprised if somebody like, ah man, how they
Speaker 1: let the Eagles get this man, how they let the
Speaker 1: Patriots get this man? I mean because I saw the Patriots.
Speaker 1: They let Anthony Jennings go. Anthony Jennings good pass rushing,
Speaker 1: solid pass rushing, not great, but solid. Set the edge,
Speaker 1: you know. The one thing that the Patriots linebackers can
Speaker 1: do is set the edge. The big guys set the
Speaker 1: edge great against the run and pressure a little bit.
Speaker 1: So now you get him, and you get Chase On
Speaker 1: and you get Milton Williams. Got something or you pair
Speaker 1: him with it with the Bears, you got something. So
Speaker 1: it's a Detroit because you hear somebody was looking at
Speaker 1: I think whether the Patriots or the Eagles was looking
Speaker 1: at Grinnard from Minnesota Vikings. He looked. You can never
Speaker 1: have enough pass rushers. That's one thing you can never have,
Speaker 1: just like past Catcher, you can't have enough of them.
Speaker 1: They're hard to come by. That is an art form.
Speaker 1: So Max is like he said. He doctor neil Ela
Speaker 1: Trosh at Curland Joe performed the surgery. He says he's
Speaker 1: tracking quite well well, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: uh I don't think he was. That's what he's supposed
Speaker 1: to say. Uh. I think you know everybody saying, the
Speaker 1: agent saying what he's supposed to say, the doctor that
Speaker 1: performed the surgery saying what he's supposed to say. But
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, the Ravens and their
Speaker 1: medical staff have to feel comfortable enough when they go
Speaker 1: to Steve Bashatti because Steve Bashatti is gonna be cutting
Speaker 1: the check the next sces's probably one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 1: Thirty three plus million dollars this year is guaranteed, no
Speaker 1: guaranteed money on the Dallas Cowboy head team trainer Daniel
Speaker 1: Cooper was instrumental in the Ravens backing out of the trade. Cooper,
Speaker 1: who's a NIE specialist. Guess what, Ojo, He did the
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahone surgery. Normally he does surgery that's really really complicated,
Speaker 1: the Patrick Mahoone surgery. You remember Jaylen Smith he signed
Speaker 1: up on the Jalen smithber.
Speaker 2: A linebacker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Malik Neighbors, he reviewed Crosby's recent niche surgery.
Speaker 1: M Iri I and Dean It too risky, man. Now
Speaker 1: you're talking about you're talking about because here's the thing,
Speaker 1: Oh Joe, when you know what you like the kind
Speaker 1: of money that these teams have. They're sending you to
Speaker 1: the best of the best. Whatever what the spine guy,
Speaker 1: the head, got a foot, got a n gotta back,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, you going to the best. You ain't
Speaker 1: going to if you got something going on. They can't
Speaker 1: figure it out. They sending ass to John Hopkins. They
Speaker 1: sending your ass to the Mayo Clinic. They sending you
Speaker 1: to M. D Anderson. They sending you to the Cleveland Clinic.
Speaker 1: They sending you to the best of the best. And
Speaker 1: and they's like, that's why they command, That's why they
Speaker 1: get the big bucks. That's why they get the big bucks.
Speaker 1: And most of the guys. You going to the Curland
Speaker 1: job office, and you look up there on them jersey's
Speaker 1: on the wall. You see Aaron Donald, you see Cltin,
Speaker 1: Clinton Kershaw, you see Verlander, you see a Cooper Club
Speaker 1: and you see if it's somebody Russell Westbrook. You see
Speaker 1: those jerseys on the wall. Thanks, doc, gave you my
Speaker 1: rear back, got my life back.
Speaker 2: I got you. I just see them doctors.
Speaker 5: They man me let me you know, see, young man,
Speaker 5: I'm I'm hot.
Speaker 1: B I'm hot.
Speaker 2: I'm hot.
Speaker 1: I'm hot. But now y'all, now you guys might be
Speaker 1: a player.
Speaker 2: I just don't like that, you know, I had a
Speaker 2: doctors to me.
Speaker 3: It almost seems like, you know, not other doctors from
Speaker 3: other teams are speaking out about it and and speaking
Speaker 3: about the knee, and like it's decreasing its value and
Speaker 3: and and what he can get and what is worth
Speaker 3: is I hate that.
Speaker 2: I don't like the fact that there's.
Speaker 3: Diminishing you know this, this young fellow who had who
Speaker 3: had rehab, who had surgery, and is trying to do
Speaker 3: everything he can to get himself back into the playing
Speaker 3: shape and plan form. And now we got all these doctors,
Speaker 3: and I just that's what they do with you.
Speaker 1: I mean teams. Like, if you got a backhandury, more
Speaker 1: time than not, doctor Watkins is gonna do it to
Speaker 1: do the surgery. If you got problems, you're going to
Speaker 1: the guys. And I think you and Charlotte, Hey, they
Speaker 1: guy that they pay these guys. They put these guys
Speaker 1: on retainer, and they pay these guys a lot of money.
Speaker 1: You mess up, they're gonna fire your ass. They will
Speaker 1: fire you. Here's the reason why doctor.
Speaker 3: Andrews seould happen with the Dophins, right with Drew Brees.
Speaker 3: Now this can be the same thing they said. Oh no,
Speaker 3: they say they stood away from Drew they and look
Speaker 3: what he turned out to be. This could this could
Speaker 3: this could possibly be. I'm I'm just saying, now, understand
Speaker 3: what the doctor is saying.
Speaker 2: They couldn't understand. These doctors know they get paid the
Speaker 2: big bucks. Everybody heals differently.
Speaker 3: Now what you see might not be the way or
Speaker 3: the outcome, and what you think based on what you
Speaker 3: see as a doctor, it might not affect them again again.
Speaker 1: Mike bass Crosby tweeted, everything happens for a reason. Believe
Speaker 1: nothing you hear in half of what you see. I'm
Speaker 1: a raider. I'm back run that ish damn me personally.
Speaker 1: I think there's a greater chance he's on some other
Speaker 1: roster Eagles, uh, the Bengos or the Patriots Chicago. I
Speaker 1: think there's a greater chance he's on run of those
Speaker 1: rosters as as opposed to stay now he could, he could,
Speaker 1: he could.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you what my Grandma's telling me a
Speaker 2: long time.
Speaker 3: When you can tell me why when you speak, you
Speaker 3: got to understand that the tongue is powerful, and you
Speaker 3: got to speak things into existence power in the tongue.
Speaker 2: You know, and and and today you know, Oh you
Speaker 2: finished me.
Speaker 1: He tried to speak.
Speaker 2: Hey hey man, but by the power is invested in me.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm hoping that brother Cosby, Hell, he might be
Speaker 3: watching the show. Come on down here to Cincinnati. Man,
Speaker 3: we were gonna take good care of you. Huh, hell,
Speaker 3: you can have my goddamn needs.
Speaker 2: I don't need him no more.
Speaker 1: Ship, Come on with bro, that's what that's what you.
Speaker 2: Yes, he got he got a chance.
Speaker 1: What if what if? What if Cleveland jump in on it?
Speaker 2: Nah, that that ain't gonna happen. They got they got
Speaker 2: brother Miles. They they got brother Miles.
Speaker 1: Just imagine him and Miles on what he on one
Speaker 1: side of mind.
Speaker 3: They have too many pieces they need to pay on
Speaker 3: the offensive side of the ball. They don't need to
Speaker 3: do they don't need to worry about nothing else.
Speaker 2: Defense.
Speaker 1: It seemed like they're going to the draft because they damn,
Speaker 1: you don't haven't done a whole lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's quite over there.
Speaker 1: It's quiet over there. Now. It could be a situation
Speaker 1: where I'm thinking Philly. Hey man, a Patriots. What y'all want?
Speaker 1: What y'all gonna give a j that the reports are
Speaker 1: they're holding Study Sturdy on the first round. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I don't doesn't seem to be no what's biting
Speaker 1: on that?
Speaker 2: You're not gonna bite on it. I mean, I'm we
Speaker 2: know what he is, we know what he can do.
Speaker 2: We know what he is, we know what he can do.
Speaker 2: Not too long ago, he was just the top five
Speaker 2: receiver in the NFL based on the production. Now the
Speaker 2: production wasn't the same. We know why the production weren't
Speaker 2: the same. That's neither here nor there. We don't need
Speaker 2: to get into that. We need to have a discourse
Speaker 2: on that.
Speaker 3: You know, first round pick for aj Brown, what do
Speaker 3: we talk about? It makes is that much better? But hell,
Speaker 3: Romeo Dobbs, Romeo Dobs went to the.
Speaker 1: Patriots. Yes, I think the thing is. Look, it seemed
Speaker 1: like Cleveland's loading up on Lineman and I know they
Speaker 1: got they got, Yes, off it's the lama Elkin Jenkins.
Speaker 1: I think they got another guy from Green Bay. That
Speaker 1: seems to be what they're doing, O Joe. They haven't
Speaker 1: really gotten the skill position players. We know in Joeku's
Speaker 1: leaving and we feel that they need Look, they got
Speaker 1: Harold Fanning, who had a fabulous morning season. I think
Speaker 1: they need some help. I think they need some receiver help.
Speaker 1: I think they need a study receiver.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I don't know if AJ wants to go there, but
Speaker 1: that would be a great place. Uh, you gonna get targets.
Speaker 1: They might be inconsistent because until should do a growth
Speaker 1: and mature into that position. Or Andrew Barry said that, look,
Speaker 1: we're gonna put this thing up and it might be
Speaker 1: between your door and uh uh Watson, Deshaun Watson. I
Speaker 1: don't know. But dealing with Crosby, I think I see
Speaker 1: both sides of the prison. I see what you're seeing.
Speaker 1: You said, Hey, he's been so good. Man, Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: willing to shove all in. I'm gonna go all in.
Speaker 1: I understand the risks that are that is involved, but
Speaker 1: I'm willing to absorb those risks to get a player
Speaker 1: of Max Crosby. I also understand the Ravens said, Man,
Speaker 1: it's an awful lot of money and we got to
Speaker 1: give up to first round picks for a player that
Speaker 1: our team staff, our medical staff is saying Heather degenerate me.
Speaker 1: I see both sides of the equation. I'm glad. I'm
Speaker 1: glad see I want easy decisions. I want I want.
Speaker 1: I want Lebron James coming out, yep I got him.
Speaker 1: I want I won't shot coming out, yep, I got him.
Speaker 1: I want Tim Dunkey coming out, yep I got him.
Speaker 1: I want to easy, O Joe Man, you know what,
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford coming out? I got Stafford way. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: eat it like that, oh Joe, I don't want to
Speaker 1: have like damn.
Speaker 2: That's that's the part of the game.
Speaker 1: That's the right, that's right, JaMarcus Russell or or Calvin Johnson.
Speaker 1: I wanted Peyton Manning or or or Ryan Lee. I
Speaker 1: don't want it like that. I wanted slam dunk. I
Speaker 1: want hey, oh Joe, I want I don't even want
Speaker 1: to pre throw. I want a slam dunk. I won't shot.
Speaker 1: I want dunk it. I want Lebron, I want Stafford,
Speaker 1: I want Alway, I want it. I want it easy.
Speaker 1: And but this is that's why you make your big bucks.
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody talking about, oh it's easy, it's easing.
Speaker 1: Boom boom boom, boom, boom Oh Joe Bam historic eighty
Speaker 1: three point night against the Person last night presented fans
Speaker 1: with a choice of for society. Look, you had to
Speaker 1: pick a side. You celebrated or you audit it. Many
Speaker 1: are discredit it because the opponent, the Wizards, are the
Speaker 1: second worst than the East. Others are discrediting it because
Speaker 1: the heat had file late in the fourth quarter to
Speaker 1: help extend the game. Kobe took forty six shots in
Speaker 1: his legendary game, three more than Bam, and made eighteen
Speaker 1: or twenty free throws. Bam took forty six free throws
Speaker 1: to Kobe's twenty. Bam. Piers came to his defense, KT said,
Speaker 1: I looked at the stat sheet. It was pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: Forty shots, forty free throws, twenty three. But that takes
Speaker 1: a lot of stamina, man, huge accomplishment. It will be
Speaker 1: something we talk about forever, Y'ALLNA said, if it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter how you got there, all that matters that you
Speaker 1: got it. Look like in ten, twenty thirty years from now,
Speaker 1: no one's gonna remember how many free throws he shot.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone remember how many shots Kobe shot
Speaker 1: or how many three throws or he made or how
Speaker 1: many three? All you remember is eighty three Toronto Raptors
Speaker 1: record when Kobe broke his record. They were fourteen and
Speaker 1: twenty six at the time on January the twenty second,
Speaker 1: two thousand and six, the twelfth worst in the ET.
Speaker 1: There was twelfth in the East, fourth worst. There was
Speaker 1: twelfth in the East, fourth worst in the East. So
Speaker 1: what's you're thinking, o Joe? Because a lot of people
Speaker 1: everybody talking about man out of respect for Kobe, he
Speaker 1: should have stopped it for eighty one y'all know the
Speaker 1: way y'all talk about Kobe is that what could you know? What?
Speaker 2: I'm glad, I'm glad you just said that.
Speaker 3: The first thing, the first thing when I when I
Speaker 3: watched Twitter, when I've seen some of the stuff on Instagram,
Speaker 3: is if Kobe was here, Kobe would congratulate him, Kobe
Speaker 3: would be happy for him, and.
Speaker 2: All the people tell all the people taking up.
Speaker 3: For Kobe or or or doing exactly what he wouldn't do.
Speaker 3: So I undert understand Kobe fans, we love him. The
Speaker 3: fact that they had eighty eighty one point game, but
Speaker 3: only three people have scored eighty points.
Speaker 2: Will Kobe and band and Kobe would have been happy
Speaker 2: for him. We know how he is.
Speaker 3: He celebrated everybody, especially when they hit a milestone of
Speaker 3: this magnitude. Regardless of how you got it, it's still
Speaker 3: eighty three points. It's the way eight points and some
Speaker 3: people and this is when the few times I don't understand,
Speaker 3: why don't why why don't we celebrate things like this.
Speaker 1: I'm not Kobe fans.
Speaker 2: I'm not much of a basketball fan.
Speaker 1: That's not the record. When Kobe scored eighty one, that
Speaker 1: the record is one hundred, so somebody needs to score
Speaker 1: one hundred and one or more points to have the record.
Speaker 1: Eighty one is not the record. I don't get it,
Speaker 1: Oh Joe. It's like anything. Sometimes people break records and
Speaker 1: it takes some more games, like with O. J. Simpson
Speaker 1: broke the record. He broke the record in fourteen games.
Speaker 1: Eric Dickinson broke the record in sixteen games. Somebody's gonna
Speaker 1: come along if they break the record, it's gonna take
Speaker 1: seventeen games. So whatever record happens moving forward, And this
Speaker 1: is what they try to do to my outh. They're like,
Speaker 1: well he did it in seventeen games. It's the NFL record,
Speaker 1: sack record, that is the record. But this notion uh
Speaker 1: and I saw when they announced it in the state
Speaker 1: in the crip, they were booing, why, yeah, why, I
Speaker 1: don't care if yes see this is Kobe had a
Speaker 1: chance because there are games that Kobe had sixty plus
Speaker 1: and he came out in the third court. I like spoke,
Speaker 1: suppose say, the way he had it going, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: even think about taking him out. And I instructed, I
Speaker 1: instructed the team, Let's see how many we can get it.
Speaker 1: It happens, Oh, Joe, you having another game, the game
Speaker 1: Teo had that was on Jerry Rice's day twenty catches.
Speaker 1: Brandon Marshall twenty one catches. Josh McDade says, Hey, we're
Speaker 1: gonna lose this game, but we're gonna get you the record.
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with it. God, come on, man,
Speaker 1: we gotta stop this. Man. It's eighty three FN points
Speaker 1: and I get it that Bam is probably the unlikeliest guy.
Speaker 1: If you the thought somebody will get it. You say Luca, Yeah,
Speaker 1: say Donovan Mitchell, You say Dame Lillard. You saying somebody
Speaker 1: like that, that's gonna make ten, twelve, fifteen. You not
Speaker 1: thaking no Bam out of BYO Bam. I don't even
Speaker 1: think Bam is averaging twenty points. If you go back
Speaker 1: and look at the guys that got those kind of numbers,
Speaker 1: that all those guys at the high twenties, even thirties,
Speaker 1: Luca's been in the thirties, Jave Dave Lillard has average thirty,
Speaker 1: Kobe average thirty five. So when you see Will average
Speaker 1: fifty in the game, forty four in the game, thirty
Speaker 1: eight in the game. So if somebody like that, we're
Speaker 1: I think it's because he's so unlikely to have done
Speaker 1: something like this. He done, I mean, and you look
Speaker 1: at him, he's not He's never you. I don't even
Speaker 1: know if he's ever scored fifty in a game. I
Speaker 1: don't even know if he's ever scored forty in a game.
Speaker 1: To go from your hot being something in the thirties
Speaker 1: to all the way down.
Speaker 2: Eighties, that is crazy, O Listen.
Speaker 3: It was dope to me. It was dope to see.
Speaker 3: I didn't I didn't believe the stat line. When I
Speaker 3: first saw it, I thought I thought it was I
Speaker 3: thought it was Ai, you know, I saw the eighties. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then I saw it go across the ticker on ESPN,
Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, man, that's dope, that's that. That
Speaker 3: is dope, And I was happy.
Speaker 1: I was hype.
Speaker 2: And then I go on Twitter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, well, god, damn people writing think pieces
Speaker 3: and defending Kobe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, don't get this. Eighty three is different. This
Speaker 1: eighty three is different than Kobe's eighty one. Kobe did
Speaker 1: bro is. Eighty three is eighty points. And I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the thing is on shoe. It's somebody that
Speaker 1: they got a career high of seventy five yards and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they have a three hundred yard game.
Speaker 1: You're like, how do you get a three hundred yard game?
Speaker 1: The most you ever receiving yards you ever had in
Speaker 1: the game was seventy five, and now you got three
Speaker 1: hundy you jump, so you jump over one fifty two
Speaker 1: hundred two fifty to go from seventy five to three.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what it is. Because and the
Speaker 1: amount of free throws. I think the most free throw
Speaker 1: somebody ever shot in the game was probably what thirty eight.
Speaker 1: I think the White Howie shot that minutes. I mean,
Speaker 1: check check me from uh, but forty six free throws
Speaker 1: and they was they was trying not you. I mean
Speaker 1: I saw I saw clips and they got three people
Speaker 1: on him and they don't want him to get it
Speaker 1: as crazy. I should have thought about that earlier before.
Speaker 1: You let the man get thirty one in the first quarter.
Speaker 1: How about that? Then that's the time that you say,
Speaker 1: you know what, you're a no mo bro. You let
Speaker 1: the man get thirty six in the quarter, I mean
Speaker 1: thirty one in the quarter. Then you let him get
Speaker 1: another twelve, so he got forty three. Now you let
Speaker 1: him get another nineteen. So now you not now you're
Speaker 1: to get in trouble and you let him get twenty
Speaker 1: one and the fourth.
Speaker 3: That's I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't understand it.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's as if I mean, it's still basketball,
Speaker 3: it's still it is the best. And then you know
Speaker 3: they moved the gold post. They moved the gold post.
Speaker 3: Maybe because it's Bam. Maybe maybe maybe if it's Anthony Edwards,
Speaker 3: maybe nobody will be complaining.
Speaker 1: I guarantee, I bet your doorknob to a bucket the
Speaker 1: Commando Ojo had he done. If Lebron had eighty one
Speaker 1: and Bam broke down. What you think that this course
Speaker 1: would be on the internet. How many people rethorw to
Speaker 1: take a tape perreak that had been applauded. You know that,
Speaker 1: and I know that you know that. But because it
Speaker 1: was Kobe, Kobe would Kobe would have appeared this man. Oh,
Speaker 1: hold on, y'all, don't remember when Kobe dropped fifty five
Speaker 1: on Jordan and he idolized Jordan? How can he do
Speaker 1: with idol like that? Because Kobe said he would want
Speaker 1: it no other way Kobe would. I believe Kobe would
Speaker 1: have been pissed had had had a Bam come out
Speaker 1: of the game with eighty or tied with him at
Speaker 1: eighty one. Now, hell no, if I'm spoke, I'm leaving
Speaker 1: him in the game. I will see if he can
Speaker 1: get ninety Absolutely, I will see if he I'm honestly
Speaker 1: gonna see if he can get ninety four.
Speaker 3: Fun anything about it is all those that are Kobe fans,
Speaker 3: they have a right to be Kobe fans, but they
Speaker 3: don't have Kobe's mentality.
Speaker 2: They don't have that.
Speaker 3: They don't you know how he operate, you know how
Speaker 3: he thinks, and you know that he would have actually
Speaker 3: wanted that.
Speaker 1: Of course. And look, look, I don't know how you feel,
Speaker 1: oh Joe, but I know if I got let's just
Speaker 1: say that the record is three thirty nine thirty six
Speaker 1: by Flip Flip Radmson got the record. Oh Joe, you
Speaker 1: mean to tell me I don't give a damn for
Speaker 1: some meaningless game? Ay, Asia Shannon, you got three thirty four?
Speaker 1: What you want to do? I want to go up
Speaker 1: ack a, let them score a touchdown and let me
Speaker 1: get back in there and get three thirty seven. That's
Speaker 1: what you did. Are you something something needs to happen
Speaker 1: that I need to get back on the field and
Speaker 1: throw and let me get and let me break this record.
Speaker 1: Eighty three points, O Joe, eighty three. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: just thinking. I like man, and like Kad said, do
Speaker 1: you think about it? That man shot the ball forty
Speaker 1: three times? And then he took another forty three free
Speaker 1: throw attempts. He took twenty two three point attempts. Do
Speaker 1: you know how much DaMina it takes to run up
Speaker 1: and down the court in this to shoot. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what you think. It's easy, just a just get
Speaker 1: you a nice little job and go shoot eighties and
Speaker 1: go shoot. He ain't and twenty two on me. That's
Speaker 1: what makes Steph Curry so spectacular. Think about how much
Speaker 1: money it does and then how many threes he get up. Congratulations, Bam.
Speaker 1: I didn't think. I mean, look and like I said,
Speaker 1: because he's so unlikely. If Dame Lillard did that, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't think anything else. Okay, okay, I got jorded us nine.
Speaker 1: Time to welcome. He's an undefeated professional boxer with a
Speaker 1: record of twenty five and oh. He's an Olympic silver
Speaker 1: medalist in the twenty sixteen Olympics, a four division world champs,
Speaker 1: won twenty six won thirty five one. He's trained by
Speaker 1: his grandfather Wally Moses. Recently, he defeated till Femo Lopez
Speaker 1: for the welterweight title. She coourt Stevenson shakour. How you doing, bro?
Speaker 1: What up? What up? I'm good? I'm good, bro. Thanks
Speaker 1: for joining us tonight. If you dominated till Femo, did
Speaker 1: you think the fight was gonna be that easy? Because
Speaker 1: he is, I mean, he's a champ.
Speaker 4: H No, I ain't think it was gonna be that easy.
Speaker 6: I think I thought it could have been that easy,
Speaker 6: but I also knew like TF was tough, and he
Speaker 6: was gonna bring his best.
Speaker 4: Honestly, I think just God showed up and UH did
Speaker 4: what he always doing.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, hell noah. He tried. He's trying to
Speaker 2: play humble. He tried to play humble because he said
Speaker 2: he said it in the pressor. He said in the pressor, I.
Speaker 3: See weaknesses in your game, and I'm gonna expose him
Speaker 3: and you're gonna see fight night, and come fight night,
Speaker 3: all the things that he was able to get away
Speaker 3: with with other opponents that weren't a skilled all the trickery,
Speaker 3: all the fakes and all the all the all the feints,
Speaker 3: none of that work. And so Shakourt did his homework
Speaker 3: and that's why the fight looked the way it did.
Speaker 4: Now one hundred undred percent. Like I said, I just
Speaker 4: did what I was supposed to do, but I did
Speaker 4: I did think it could happen that way. You're right,
Speaker 4: I didn't think it could happen that way.
Speaker 1: So you thought you could picture because I had you
Speaker 1: a the shutout out. Yeah yeah, I don't know how
Speaker 1: they gave him around. Maybe they was feeling sorry for him,
Speaker 1: like damn, we can't have our chap lose all twelve rounds.
Speaker 1: We gotta give him something. But it looked like you
Speaker 1: pitched the shutout because everything that he tried to do
Speaker 1: you had a counter. It was like you was It
Speaker 1: was like you knew the like you knew the answers
Speaker 1: to the test because you had already read the test.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I watched the I watched him on
Speaker 6: fight probably like every day in training camp, and I
Speaker 6: seen like so many different like weaknesses in his game
Speaker 6: to where I'm like, Okay, if he do this against me,
Speaker 6: I'm going to destroymore if he do this against.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 4: So when I seen him bust the same moves that
Speaker 4: I seen.
Speaker 6: On camera, it just made it so much easier. It
Speaker 6: made it so much easier. But it was an easy
Speaker 6: night of boxing. I appreciate Ta Femo even for stepping
Speaker 6: in the ring with me because a lot of fighters dope,
Speaker 6: So shout out to him.
Speaker 4: Anyway.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, there's been a lot of
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of this gussion around your fight style.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody questions your level of greatness because,
Speaker 1: like you said, you are then amateur. You go to
Speaker 1: the Olympics, you want a gold method, you want a
Speaker 1: silver medal. But some me. You got upset it and
Speaker 1: I said no and ojo. Now we was having a
Speaker 1: discussion after the Tier female fight. I said, oh yo,
Speaker 1: he's great. I said, the way he can get in
Speaker 1: there and he makes he makes great fighters look average.
Speaker 1: I said, but his style is not I mean his style.
Speaker 1: I said, bro, I can't I can't pay, but I
Speaker 1: want to see a little bit more action. And you
Speaker 1: got upset with me. What do you say about people
Speaker 1: that say your style is boring. They're not saying that
Speaker 1: you're not great, they say your style of fighting.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's your opinion, uncle, I can't really take
Speaker 4: away from your opinion on my head. You saying so
Speaker 4: when you say it, I probably trolled back at you
Speaker 4: and talk a little shit. That's your opinion. You could
Speaker 4: have your opinion, But truthfully, my style is not boring.
Speaker 4: My style is just the fact that I makes shit easy.
Speaker 4: Like gods can't do nothing with me. It's like you
Speaker 4: can name all the best fighters in my weight classes, but.
Speaker 6: If you put them in a ring with me, they
Speaker 6: all might look like tia Fimo, Like Tim was just
Speaker 6: one to step in the ring.
Speaker 1: So anybody like that look like that gonna look like that.
Speaker 4: Hey, I ain't I ain't gonna disrespect my brother.
Speaker 1: I love myka.
Speaker 4: We'd be smart all the time we go work. But
Speaker 4: like I said, anybody that pay attention to the sport
Speaker 4: of boxing and love the sport of boxing.
Speaker 2: They gonna love my Yeah, I told you. You heard
Speaker 2: what he said.
Speaker 3: Anybody that pays attention to the sport of boxing, they
Speaker 3: would love his style. That's what our argument was about.
Speaker 3: It's you, the casual fan that always looking for the
Speaker 3: Tank Davis knockout, the Mike Tyson knockout. But us purists
Speaker 3: that enjoy and watching ron by round. How Shakur is
Speaker 3: always two steps ahead of whoever he's fighting, which is why.
Speaker 2: It looks the way it looks and it looks so easy.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's you.
Speaker 3: You actually have to understand the sweet science in itself
Speaker 3: and understand what you're watching to appreciate what he's been
Speaker 3: able to do.
Speaker 1: They've been discussion with the WBC. They took your table
Speaker 1: because I think they wanted you to pay. So get
Speaker 1: let me get this straight. There's a sanction in fee.
Speaker 1: If you have a belt, you have to pay X
Speaker 1: amount of dollars.
Speaker 6: Correct, Yeah, if you got a bell, you gotta pay
Speaker 6: X amount of dollars for having the belt?
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: So so so what does that what does that money
Speaker 1: go towards? So I got I got him. So if
Speaker 1: I got like five or six belts, I gotta pay five, six,
Speaker 1: seven hundred thousand dollars to keep the belts.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't know what they do with the money. That's
Speaker 4: on the WBC.
Speaker 6: But from my point of view, they could tell you
Speaker 6: whatever they want because you don't know what they do
Speaker 6: with the money.
Speaker 4: We don't see what they do.
Speaker 6: I'll be hearing that they be paying for hotels and
Speaker 6: all kinds of different stuff, put their money so on,
Speaker 6: well with my money basically.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 3: I don't know what's what's the next? Where we got
Speaker 3: lined up? I mean, we have anything, any fights coming up?
Speaker 3: Anybody you you you might want to fight?
Speaker 2: Talk to me.
Speaker 6: No, we ain't got none lined up yet. We looking
Speaker 6: over the scenery. We're trying to see what opponents is doing.
Speaker 6: What we're just watching, were watching and paying attention now
Speaker 6: on my next opponent. I'm gonna trying to make sure
Speaker 6: the opponent that my fans and the fans that disliked
Speaker 6: me want to fight.
Speaker 3: I mean, when you're talking about your next opponent, do
Speaker 3: you want someone that is a is a is a
Speaker 3: superior challenge like a T four or low Pazz, or
Speaker 3: you want to have a tune up fight before another
Speaker 3: big mega fight.
Speaker 4: No, I want to fight whoever. I'll fight whoever. I'm
Speaker 4: down to fight. The best fighters of y'all name them.
Speaker 4: You know, the fans could come up with a what's
Speaker 4: that little post?
Speaker 1: Yo? Put a with list together who y'all want to
Speaker 1: see your crew fight?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we could go by the polland and who they
Speaker 4: say is the best I'll fight on?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna are you? Look? Look you took you
Speaker 1: took down to your female one forty seven. Are you
Speaker 1: interested in going back down? Or you're gonna go to
Speaker 1: thirty four? You're gonna go to thirty five, You go
Speaker 1: to thirty, go back down to one? So what are
Speaker 1: you looking to do?
Speaker 4: Thirty five and forty is my weight class. I'll run that.
Speaker 6: Both weight classes is mine, man, until somebody uh dethrown me,
Speaker 6: it will be my weight class.
Speaker 4: So tell him come see me.
Speaker 1: Now. You do realize that. You do realize now? Tank
Speaker 1: and Keith Shawn is them one party boys, yo, I've
Speaker 1: been saying, I've been saying you cold that you.
Speaker 4: Know that, oh me, and keep showing not gonna fight
Speaker 4: each other. So it ain't need no point of mentioning.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay. So so now that leaves you and Tank.
Speaker 1: Who else at the one forty that you would be
Speaker 1: a one thirty five that you would be interested in
Speaker 1: bringing with Lamark?
Speaker 4: Anybody I would love to fight Lamar Rose Me and Lamarro.
Speaker 2: To be a ninth chest match, right there, boy.
Speaker 1: Because all the best versus. Let me ask you a questions.
Speaker 1: You care all real talk? You think you think Roach
Speaker 1: beat Tank? Yeah? I did? Oh Joe, and I said
Speaker 1: the same thing. I said, I like Tank, but.
Speaker 3: Only once he took that knee. Once he took that knee.
Speaker 3: After that, it's it's impossible.
Speaker 2: For the judge.
Speaker 1: Made it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but once you take the knee, the scorecard should
Speaker 3: look different in favor of goddamn Lamont.
Speaker 2: At that point, it's a ten eight round.
Speaker 3: I thought.
Speaker 4: I thought, without the knee, he want to fight.
Speaker 1: I took That's what I said too. I said, because
Speaker 1: with the knee, that's a ten eight round. It's a
Speaker 1: no brainer. Now what are we even discussing for sure,
Speaker 1: So now you don't, don't You're not gonna fight Key
Speaker 1: Shaan so Lamont Roach and Tank that you didn't mention
Speaker 1: and and and doing some research. You know, I gotta
Speaker 1: I gotta go do research. I gotta go do research.
Speaker 1: You said a rehydration clause. A rehydration clause. Now my research.
Speaker 1: Canelo has done it three times against Daniel Jacobs, Sergei
Speaker 1: Koblev and Rocky Felder. Tank did it against Mario Barrios,
Speaker 1: and he did it against Ryan Garcia. Chris hu Banks
Speaker 1: Junior did against Connor Ben and Triple G did against
Speaker 1: Daniel Jacobs. The the rehydration clause that means you would
Speaker 1: have you gonna probably fight. If you fight Ryan Garcia,
Speaker 1: you're gonna fight him at one forty seven. Ryan is
Speaker 1: a naturally big guy. You're a naturally small guy. I
Speaker 1: mean you you won the silver medal at one twenty six,
Speaker 1: so you had to put on fourteen pounds just to
Speaker 1: make the one forty and had to put on twenty
Speaker 1: one pounds to go to forty seven. Ryan was gonna
Speaker 1: strip down. Ryan probably walks around what you think he
Speaker 1: walks around at one sixty five one, So now he's
Speaker 1: gonna come down to one forty seven. Now when he
Speaker 1: refuel rehydrate, he can easily he could easily rebang back
Speaker 1: to one sixty one sixty.
Speaker 4: Five, easy's seventy two.
Speaker 1: So you want to say okay, So if you put
Speaker 1: the rehydration clause, you're gonna say, okay, you can't go
Speaker 1: over one fifty two. You can't go over one fifty five.
Speaker 1: Where are the numbers that you feel comfortable? Like? He ain't.
Speaker 1: He ain't twenty five pounds everything I am, But you
Speaker 1: feel you can get the best. Why not stripping him
Speaker 1: of everything? Uh?
Speaker 4: Nah, Honestly, I don't even want to do the real
Speaker 4: drition clause. I don't. I know, like social media kind
Speaker 4: of made that a big thing. I was speaking hypothetical
Speaker 4: when I said it. Okay, he went in the interview
Speaker 4: and he said that he'll fight me at one hundred
Speaker 4: and forty pounds.
Speaker 1: So I can't make the one forty.
Speaker 4: We don't know nothing, We don't know, we don't know
Speaker 4: what he could do.
Speaker 1: He see why I'm saying Sea courtin you know that man.
Speaker 1: You said, the man walk around at one seventy. You
Speaker 1: want to bring the man down thirty?
Speaker 4: He said, that he would fight me at one forty.
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna just talk. So if he said it,
Speaker 4: like what am I supposed to do?
Speaker 1: So you'll have a rehydration clause at one.
Speaker 4: No, I don't want to rehi dridtion clause.
Speaker 1: Oh you know, so if he comes down to one forty,
Speaker 1: you don't want to rehydration clause. Only if he comes
Speaker 1: down to forty. Only if he comes down to forty seven,
Speaker 1: you have to go up to forty seven. Do you
Speaker 1: want the claw or you don't want the clause at all?
Speaker 6: I only want the clause if I go up to
Speaker 6: one forty seven, But I don't plan on going up,
Speaker 6: so at the end of the day, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't need the clause. We can fight that one forty.
Speaker 1: You think that man can make one forty secre honestly.
Speaker 4: I mean I'm just telling y'all of his words.
Speaker 1: I know what you I know what he would he
Speaker 1: seeing choom that he can't.
Speaker 4: Make one forty. He said he can as long as
Speaker 4: he lock in and take it serious.
Speaker 1: Man, I'll you know skur. You know like once you
Speaker 1: start like it's like uh, once you go up to
Speaker 1: those weights and you start fighting now you start fighting
Speaker 1: in that weight. As you start to get older, it
Speaker 1: can harder to script that weight off you. You're young,
Speaker 1: you could easily go back down to one thirty if
Speaker 1: you wanted to, because you're not You're not a naturally
Speaker 1: big man. You walk around at one fifty, you probably
Speaker 1: walk around I'm assuming probably one forty one forty two
Speaker 1: maybe more like one. You're probably in the one thirties.
Speaker 1: So you like that Floyd, you got that flooring syndrome.
Speaker 1: Floyd walked around at one fifty, get down to one
Speaker 1: forty seven till everybody adds up.
Speaker 4: I can't tell you my walking around with But like
Speaker 4: I said, if you want to fight at one forty
Speaker 4: or we can't do a catchweight at one hundred and
Speaker 4: forty four pounds.
Speaker 3: Okay, hey, hey, I like that with a catchway at
Speaker 3: one forty four, but not Ryan Garcia a catchway at
Speaker 3: one forty four. You think color Ben can get down
Speaker 3: still even though he's for that at heavier weights, you think.
Speaker 6: No, I want to I want to fight him at
Speaker 6: one forty seven with three and dres because he no,
Speaker 6: because he did that to think okay, yeah, he did
Speaker 6: kind of like gave him credit for the winning but.
Speaker 4: At the end of the day, you bank was kind
Speaker 4: of drinked in the rig him deal.
Speaker 1: With it with me?
Speaker 2: Oh so hey, so so you're you're getting there and
Speaker 2: rock with what kind of been uh.
Speaker 4: At forty seven with the rehydration.
Speaker 2: Okay, I like that. Hey, I want to see that.
Speaker 2: I don't want I want to see that.
Speaker 1: I want to see. So when you say rehydration, how
Speaker 1: many pounds are you willing to give to let them go?
Speaker 1: Because it's been as low as three and a half
Speaker 1: and then some people say ten, So how far are
Speaker 1: you willing to go? How much wiggle room or will
Speaker 1: you give someone? On the rehydration clause you only get
Speaker 1: ten pounds. That's the match you're gonna get. That's the match.
Speaker 1: But I've seen I think I think the first I
Speaker 1: think I've seen three and a half. Uh, at one
Speaker 1: point it was like three and a half. But the
Speaker 1: match is ten.
Speaker 4: Yeah, ten, yup? Ten is good?
Speaker 1: Hey, UNC, So you fight here at one forty seven,
Speaker 1: he can't get back up to about one fifty seven.
Speaker 1: You're gonna probably it's gonna be hard at help for
Speaker 1: you to make one forty seven. Me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can make one forty seven right now, I.
Speaker 1: Definitely I know, but I'm saying, but I'm saying that's
Speaker 1: probably your walk. Like I'm saying you you walk around
Speaker 1: in the mid forty You're not gonna tell us, but
Speaker 1: looking at your frame, looking at your clavicles, you not
Speaker 1: a naturally big mass, of course, so it's gonna be
Speaker 1: either for you to always make those little waits that
Speaker 1: one forty one forty seven, that's nothing for you. You
Speaker 1: ain't gotta do nothing. You're gonna care for two weeks
Speaker 1: and make forty seven.
Speaker 4: That's true. You're right, Hey, that's true.
Speaker 2: And you know who you know who canna make one
Speaker 2: forty seven?
Speaker 1: No, man, your big ass can't make no one forty seven.
Speaker 2: Broven, Man, I'll piece you up. Man, don't don't play
Speaker 2: with me. Man, don't do that. Man, don't do that. Hey, hey, that.
Speaker 4: Just firing up. Man. I've been waiting, I've.
Speaker 2: Been asking for two years a spot. You scared of me?
Speaker 4: You scared like something. I see you were rocking out.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: Nah, And don't let him get no hair gear. Don't
Speaker 1: let it put no hair don't.
Speaker 2: I don't need no hair gear. I'm polished. I'm polishing
Speaker 2: the ring.
Speaker 4: We both don't need a head game.
Speaker 1: All right, Hey cause you saw you saw what Sean
Speaker 1: did the blue face right your core. Yeah, that's how, Hey.
Speaker 4: I will I won't.
Speaker 2: I won't.
Speaker 1: You come back looking like Tommy Hurris what he thought?
Speaker 2: Mark, That's how I have a boxing background in the
Speaker 2: past nine years.
Speaker 1: I'm good.
Speaker 2: I'm ready think blue face box.
Speaker 1: Yay box and blue face like blue face saying he
Speaker 1: like two fat.
Speaker 2: Do you you see this?
Speaker 4: What what is?
Speaker 1: Come on? Man?
Speaker 4: I'm just saying no like box a box, right, yeah,
Speaker 4: all right?
Speaker 6: When you're getting there with them boxes, it's a different story, man,
Speaker 6: I'm telling you the real like elite level fighters.
Speaker 1: Yes, is there any truth because they say, like you're
Speaker 1: about to side of a three fight deal with Zupper
Speaker 1: for like sixty million? Is there any truth to that
Speaker 1: now that I know?
Speaker 4: But they're gonna give me sixty million? Call off phone?
Speaker 1: So man, you see that's why I can't believe nothing
Speaker 1: on that, because they had you up there talking about
Speaker 1: you about to side with Zupp for a three fight
Speaker 1: dal for sixty million.
Speaker 4: She send that tomorrow. Man, listen here, man, Hey, you.
Speaker 1: Like you don't even need no agent. I have that
Speaker 1: by myself and me. I'm ready, man. Look the last
Speaker 1: the last three or four days, and that's been blowing up.
Speaker 1: We had Clarissa. Clarissa said that he could beat Roly
Speaker 1: and I know that's your girl. Y'all was at the
Speaker 1: y'all was at y'all was at the Olympics together. But
Speaker 1: Core keep it a back. See you already laughing, So
Speaker 1: you already laughing.
Speaker 4: Listen up, listen up right. Honestly, you know, I think
Speaker 4: it's hard for her to be able to be a
Speaker 4: male fighter, but I would love to see it because
Speaker 4: she campaign in it, and like if she believed it,
Speaker 4: I believe it, So I believe in her at the
Speaker 4: end of the day. So I would love to see you.
Speaker 1: Do realize man produced testosterone. They have longer bones that
Speaker 1: have harder punching power.
Speaker 4: What if he don't hit Clarissa, What if he don't
Speaker 4: hit her?
Speaker 1: What, You're gonna go to hell? You know the lie,
Speaker 1: You go to hell. That's what the Bible teachers us.
Speaker 1: I know you a man in the Bible teaches us.
Speaker 4: Man telling her to come to train and care with me.
Speaker 4: She is not gonna get touched.
Speaker 1: He gonna cut the ring off even at his even
Speaker 1: at that way, Let's just say, Uh, she fights it well.
Speaker 1: I think she says she fights. She fought this last
Speaker 1: fight at one seventy five. I think she says she
Speaker 1: can get down to one sixty five. Let's just say
Speaker 1: for the sake of argument, she gets down to one
Speaker 1: sixty five. He's at one forty. His body still produces
Speaker 1: more testosterone than hers. His bones are still longer than hers.
Speaker 1: It's like Serena, Serena, all her partners are hitting partners
Speaker 1: with men. Yeah, she couldn't be a two hundred and
Speaker 1: fiftieth rank man.
Speaker 4: You know it's crazy.
Speaker 6: I agree with you, though, like I agree with what
Speaker 6: you're saying. All I'm saying is Clarissa Shills is different.
Speaker 6: So with her being as good as she is and
Speaker 6: her skill set, I just wouldn't count her out with
Speaker 6: anything that she do.
Speaker 1: But your core, you do realize to throw punches, you
Speaker 1: gotta open yourself up, and a man reflexes are quicker
Speaker 1: than a woman. Now, she done got knocked down, even
Speaker 1: by a woman.
Speaker 4: I can't argue anything that you're saying because you're saying facts.
Speaker 4: Like what you're saying is true, Okay, telling you that
Speaker 4: Clarissa Shills is not a normal woman. She's not the
Speaker 4: same woman as every other woman.
Speaker 1: So I would feel comfortable if she in eighteen fights,
Speaker 1: she had fifteen sixteen knockouts. I said, well, maybe she
Speaker 1: can hear. Because I think the thing was when we
Speaker 1: looked at Budd, because a lot of the people say, well, man,
Speaker 1: what if Bud going up in wait, Buzz are naturally big,
Speaker 1: Budd is a naturally big man, Bud walk around the
Speaker 1: big ass wait. People think Bud's ball. I said, I
Speaker 1: was in there wrestling with him. I said, I was
Speaker 1: trying to throw his look, I said, I said, but
Speaker 1: when Bud touched Canelo, Canelo, like damn, he got his attention.
Speaker 1: He got his respect immediately. If Carissa can't get his respect,
Speaker 1: and like I said, if she in eighteen fights and
Speaker 1: she had sixteen knockouts, I would say, you know what,
Speaker 1: she might can get his respect. I don't know how
Speaker 1: she I don't know how she keep him off of her.
Speaker 6: What if she defend herself, well, hit him and she
Speaker 6: don't get touched with nothing big or nothing that's super
Speaker 6: strong or hard.
Speaker 1: It's hard because because Roly throws hard. You know, he
Speaker 1: throws hard if he have an awkward stance. And the
Speaker 1: thing is touching a man and touching a woman. You
Speaker 1: you already know the chin the chin different, and you
Speaker 1: know that she caught the cheer different on a man
Speaker 1: and a woman.
Speaker 4: Let me be her coach for the fight. Just let
Speaker 4: me be her coach and we're gonna win.
Speaker 1: You could get you could get a Buddy McGirt. You
Speaker 1: could get a Floyd Mayweather senor you could get Freddie Roach.
Speaker 1: You can God rest his soul. The Manuel Stewart. She
Speaker 1: ain't be nobody a champion man.
Speaker 4: But you did not say course, Steve.
Speaker 1: Of course, Stevenson Floor, I would put Corn in the corner,
Speaker 1: Florida in the corner. This me.
Speaker 4: All I need to do is be in that corner.
Speaker 4: That's all I need to do.
Speaker 1: Well, you're gonna have to jump in the You're gonna
Speaker 1: have to jump jump in the ring and soft him up.
Speaker 1: First man hold on. Davin Haynes said he wan't someth
Speaker 1: what's up with you? And damn y'all can bang at
Speaker 1: one where he said that that See, I'm just saying
Speaker 1: I saw y'all in the rings. Barn, I say, y'all
Speaker 1: in the rings, I would call Bill and a long
Speaker 1: time ago.
Speaker 4: Where do you say that that.
Speaker 1: Big hey demon saying he won't anybody at the one forty.
Speaker 4: He won't that now he fighting with one he filed seven.
Speaker 1: He come down for you.
Speaker 4: If he come down, then let's make it happen.
Speaker 1: Well, while you you say you can fight at one
Speaker 1: forty seven, you won't want to go out and see it.
Speaker 4: I just told you if I fight at one forty seven,
Speaker 4: will come with it.
Speaker 1: Oh, so any fight at one forty seven, there's a rehydration.
Speaker 4: Clause one forty seven.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so y'all hear that. Don't call this man
Speaker 1: fall fight at one forty seven, but we can fight
Speaker 1: out the catchwak forty four with no rehydration.
Speaker 4: Any forty seven pound powder to fight me at on
Speaker 4: one forty four. I'm down. Let's do it with no rehydration,
Speaker 4: no rehydration.
Speaker 2: I'm ready, but it ain't No, but it ain't.
Speaker 1: No, Bell said forty four. So you just want to fight,
Speaker 1: you want?
Speaker 4: So you just we need to we the names were
Speaker 4: the big names. Why we need the bolt cuche, yeahuche
Speaker 4: if we that one watched?
Speaker 1: Yeah you fighting, hold on you fighting Devin Hainey.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, without the best on the line, right, Yes, okay,
Speaker 4: then so we good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're gonna fight, if you're gonna fight the
Speaker 1: best and the best, I'm gonna come see because I
Speaker 1: want to. I want to see in my own eyes.
Speaker 1: I want to see it my own eyes. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: see if you're gonna you're gonna do you know you say, hey,
Speaker 1: you say my fight boring. Let me show you why
Speaker 1: it is bored. And you see what I did. Every strength,
Speaker 1: every strength that he had, I turned it into a weakness.
Speaker 6: I ain't gonna lie if you if you watch my
Speaker 6: last fight and you still thought it was boring, you gonna.
Speaker 1: I saw, Oh, Joe, here's the thing, here's the thing
Speaker 1: at your core. Tim Duncan with Tim Duncan not great.
Speaker 4: Great?
Speaker 1: Would you say he was exciting? Oh no, not really no,
Speaker 1: but he thinks could be true. You can be great,
Speaker 1: And I want to see some action. I want Hey,
Speaker 1: I understand you said, look, my job is to hit,
Speaker 1: not get here, and I think sometimes you you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes I think you're overly cautious with that. But I
Speaker 1: want to see a little bit more actions you could.
Speaker 1: I saw if I'm paying fine ten thousand dollars for
Speaker 1: a ticket?
Speaker 2: Cool?
Speaker 1: I want to see something. I want to see some
Speaker 1: lights turned out. Huh.
Speaker 4: I don't think you're a big boxing fan.
Speaker 1: In for me for me to come out of my house.
Speaker 1: Hold on, for me to come out of my house
Speaker 1: and to dig in my pockets and pay ten thousand dollars. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: you're gonna I'm gonna see some action.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna Are you a big boxing fan?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, impossible, Yes, I used to go. I've seen
Speaker 1: Floyd fight several times. I've seen Mike Tyson fight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But to come out of my pocket? See if I
Speaker 1: would watch on TV? Of course, I'm watching on television.
Speaker 4: Watch fight fight. You thought he was born, he fought.
Speaker 1: I saw him fight. I think I think I saw
Speaker 1: him fight Correllas and I saw him fight. Uh uh,
Speaker 1: day la lawyer.
Speaker 4: And did you think he was boring?
Speaker 1: I saw I saw Floyd after he had broke his hands,
Speaker 1: when Floyd was fighting at thirty thirty five and forty,
Speaker 1: when he fought got it, when he fought Ricky Hatton.
Speaker 1: Tell him no, he wasn't boring when he felt got
Speaker 1: it when he fought Ricky Hadden when he fought Kodo.
Speaker 1: When do you.
Speaker 2: After that? After that?
Speaker 1: Did you think after Floyd, after Flora's hands became brital,
Speaker 1: he became a fighter that you know what, I can't
Speaker 1: tell I'm not gonna lose no fight because I fighting
Speaker 1: one handed, because I broke my hand.
Speaker 4: I got a question for you. Yes, did you see
Speaker 4: him fight Carlos Baldimir.
Speaker 1: That was before?
Speaker 4: No, that was it wasn't that around the towns his hands?
Speaker 1: That might have been that was one of the fights. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I remember he hit somebody and he took a knee.
Speaker 4: People called him boring. He would like it was never
Speaker 4: boring to me when I watched him fight. Even when
Speaker 4: I watch him fight, y'all, I never thought like Floyd
Speaker 4: Mayweather was a boring fighter. Now, when I watched riggad Out,
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, this is kind of like, no, just
Speaker 4: friggad Out Like he's a hell of a fighter, one
Speaker 4: of my favorites.
Speaker 6: But some time I'm like, Okay, this is boring. But
Speaker 6: I just don't how you can watch guys like completely dominate,
Speaker 6: shut guys out and give you some type of entertainment.
Speaker 6: At Tom's in the fight, and I feel like when
Speaker 6: I fought to a female, I came forward, I was
Speaker 6: the aggressive, I was on the front foot.
Speaker 4: So I just don't see how anybody could think that
Speaker 4: that fight was a boring fight.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. When Floyd was at thirty five
Speaker 1: and forty, Floyd was stopping people.
Speaker 4: Can we agree on that some guys, some guys got stopped. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's all.
Speaker 1: We want to see some action. But but go ahead.
Speaker 4: But me and Floyd Mayweather is two different people.
Speaker 6: So at the end of the day, if you compare us,
Speaker 6: you're just comparing the guy that already finished his career
Speaker 6: with a guy that stilled and the problem of his
Speaker 6: career with more.
Speaker 4: Better fights to come. So it's hard to really compare.
Speaker 1: I think the thing is is that your fighting style
Speaker 1: is a lot different, is a lot similar, because you
Speaker 1: guys are doing a lot of a lot of counters
Speaker 1: and yeah, oh you know that way I mean undefeated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I think the thing that's that's my thing.
Speaker 1: At thirty five and forty, Floyd was stopping people. I
Speaker 1: look at a love guy like Shane Mose with thirty
Speaker 1: five forty, he was stopping people. He had dynamite when
Speaker 1: he fought when he fought Antonio Margarita, but I thought
Speaker 1: he thinking Marguerita at forty seven. I don't know what
Speaker 1: he was. I think he maybe fought De la Hoya,
Speaker 1: what fifty four or forty I think you thought de
Speaker 1: la Hoya at fifty four.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you gotta also realize that was my fourth
Speaker 4: waight class, and anybody that's in the sport that goes
Speaker 4: through four weight classes, I feel like it's harder to
Speaker 4: knock guys out as you move up and you go up.
Speaker 1: Okay, the many.
Speaker 6: Pacquiao who probably we don't know that probably wasn't, you know,
Speaker 6: as normal as everybody else.
Speaker 1: Because I ain't never see nobody go for one pack,
Speaker 1: y'all probably went from one to twelve and floorboard people
Speaker 1: in twenty two, twenty six, thirty thirty five, forty forty five,
Speaker 1: fifty four he would hold. I'm like, well, damn, this
Speaker 1: little man just.
Speaker 5: Not a yeah.
Speaker 4: But you gotta understand when people move up and winn classes,
Speaker 4: it's definitely harder to people.
Speaker 1: Because you're already fighting bigger guys that's already sustained that weight.
Speaker 3: Yep, well we we got it ready. We got it set,
Speaker 3: so we don't put it out there in the universe.
Speaker 3: No Lamar or no, no, no, I will posass. But anyway,
Speaker 3: we got Lamart Roach, right, hey, we got Lamar. We
Speaker 3: got Lamar Roach, and then we got Connor Ben at
Speaker 3: a catchweight, so you know the tongue is powerful. So
Speaker 3: we're gonna speak it into existence at one forty four.
Speaker 4: Nah Me and Lamar can fight at one forty one
Speaker 4: thirty five.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: I like that, So I'm just bringing in the camp,
Speaker 2: me in the camp.
Speaker 1: I told you, come on, man, anytime you cour tear
Speaker 1: his ass up. I mean, hey, if you don't come back,
Speaker 1: if you don't come back with no horn there.
Speaker 2: You ain't do nothing I got. We got the same
Speaker 2: exact fight and stuff.
Speaker 1: Of course, ain't gonna stop you. I'm coming, I'm covering.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have my phone right now.
Speaker 5: My defense, my defense is just like his and may
Speaker 5: be better like I'm not I'm not even.
Speaker 2: Not even right right. I studied you man all these years. Man,
Speaker 2: I'm everything you got.
Speaker 1: He tried to do I got.
Speaker 4: In America. Man, that was crazy.
Speaker 3: Your defense may be just like listen me, most of
Speaker 3: the time when you when you. Before you take a test,
Speaker 3: you study it, don't you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I've been studying for twenty.
Speaker 1: Years.
Speaker 2: I've been studying for fifty eight, which is what you're saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you ain't been studying boxing for that, he said.
Speaker 1: But he said, because he's a much bigger man, scr
Speaker 1: he gonna walk through your punch off.
Speaker 4: Hey, don't that don't mean.
Speaker 1: You don't want no rehydration. Close.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna come down.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna stop going to the body.
Speaker 1: You'll have a body shot and stop stop going.
Speaker 4: To the body for sure.
Speaker 2: What happened to my Cameron?
Speaker 1: I don't know that. Hey, that man said, score man,
Speaker 1: Hey man, thank you for coming on with your car.
Speaker 1: We really appreciate that. Hey, when you come back, when
Speaker 1: you got something else lined up, a big fight lined up,
Speaker 1: come back and tell us about it on Nightcare because
Speaker 1: the Nightcap family, they love boxing. They love you course Stevenson,
Speaker 1: and we can't wait to see your next fight. Is
Speaker 1: it gonna happen before June? After June? The fall? What? What?
Speaker 1: What you kind of looking at? What you kind of
Speaker 1: your timeline?
Speaker 4: Probably after June? I don't know.
Speaker 6: I can't even tell you yet. Once I talk to
Speaker 6: the business people. We're gonna make it happen.
Speaker 1: So okay, Well, congratulates you on your last fight. You
Speaker 1: did a number on tier female. Lopez a four division
Speaker 1: champ Olympic silver medal medalist. Here yet is, ladies and gentlemen, SHIRKR. Stevenson,
Speaker 1: thanks for joinings.
Speaker 4: I appreciate y'all.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you. Bro. He said he gonna stop you to
Speaker 1: the bottom shoe. He said he gonna stop you to
Speaker 1: no no no no no no no no no no
Speaker 1: no no no no. Yeah. Hey man, hey, that Joe hits.
Speaker 1: You want to deliver them kidney shots? O hoe, you
Speaker 1: be pee and bloody?
Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna be tucked in. H I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be tucked in.