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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to our number two of the Drive here

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Speaker 2: on Steelers Nation Radio. I'm Dale LOLLI he is the

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and it's time for a little fantasy football

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Speaker 2: focus here. Matt, we're in June and looking here at

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Speaker 2: the Pro football focuses wide receiver tiers, and I think

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Speaker 2: this is Wide receiver tiers, to me, are the most

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Speaker 2: volatile thing in fantasy. You know, you know who the

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Speaker 2: running backs are and who you want and who you

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Speaker 2: don't want.

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Speaker 3: Who's getting the ball?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, wide receiver tiers are interesting. You know, quarterbacks are quarterbacks,

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Speaker 2: but these guys, this is how you win your draft.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, say this is gonna make or break you. So

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Speaker 4: along those lines, you didn't bring up tight ends, But

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Speaker 4: I recorded a podcast this morning where a question we

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Speaker 4: got was write me a story of how many tight

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Speaker 4: ends could end up being tight end one this year,

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Speaker 4: and we came up with seven or eight names. You know, Kittle, Kelsey, Laporta, etcetera, etcetera.

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Speaker 4: Wide receiver is a different world. You know what I mean,

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Speaker 4: I think tight ends are flushed this year. We're not

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Speaker 4: here to talk about tight ends. Usually it's like a

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Speaker 4: two or three conversation, but nothing's ever.

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Speaker 3: As flush or white House.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's so many to pick from him, so many

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Speaker 4: you can be happy with, but you're happy with them,

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Speaker 4: but you're playing against a team that's happy with there.

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Speaker 2: He probably has one or two of these guys too.

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Speaker 2: So their Tier one guys are the established elite guys.

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Speaker 2: That's Ceedee, Lamb, Tyreek Hill, Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, a Monross,

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Speaker 2: Saint Brown.

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Speaker 3: Hard argue with any of those.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Brown Saint Brown's production is bonkers. I want

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Speaker 4: to mention Chase though, because Burton's an outside guy. Higgins

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Speaker 4: is an outside guy. This could be the year that

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Speaker 4: Chase gets to like two thousand. This could be you know,

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Speaker 4: he's got a contract coming up. If Burrow stays healthy

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Speaker 4: and he operates out of the slot a high high percentage,

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Speaker 4: you just know those are cheap yardage and things like

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Speaker 4: really rocketing up my boards, Like Jefferson's better than him slightly,

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Speaker 4: but I think I'm taking Chase over Jefferson this year.

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Speaker 4: I think Hill and Lamb are probably my top two,

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Speaker 4: though Lamb is such little competition.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Lamb has nobody else around him that's gonna steal

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Speaker 2: targets away. And Hill's just Hill.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, he'll's your last year. He could have went,

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Speaker 4: he could have got to two thousand if he doesn't

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Speaker 4: miss a gamer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a good that's good. It's a good

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Speaker 2: group and you're not doing badly if you take the

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Speaker 2: best bets to finish. This is tier two, the best

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Speaker 2: bets to finish comfortably among the top twelve. Aj Brown, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Pooka Nakua. I kind of question that one a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Garrett Wilson, DeVante Adams, Marvin Harrison Junior.

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Speaker 4: Phenomenal Nakua and Harrison Junior would be the ones I'm wary. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it'd have to be at the right price. Those other three,

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Speaker 4: if you use the eighth pick of the draft.

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Speaker 2: On can argue it.

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Speaker 3: I get it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can argue it.

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Speaker 3: Garrett Wilson.

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Speaker 2: DeVante Adams is like hitting a double all day long.

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Speaker 4: Yea, yeah, I don't care who his quarterback is. And

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Speaker 4: Wilson put up really impressive numbers with like the worst

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Speaker 4: quarterback play in the league last year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, Tier three. Every other contender to finish in

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Speaker 2: the top twelve.

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Speaker 3: I bet it's a long list.

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Speaker 2: It's a pretty long list. You got Mike Evans, Chris Olave,

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Speaker 2: Drake London, Brandon Ayuk, Jaylen Waddle, Nico Collins, DJ Moore, Deebo,

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Speaker 2: Samuel Stefan Diggs, Michael Pittman, DK Metcalf. My favorite guy

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Speaker 3: List, I would say my least favorite guys.

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Speaker 2: To finish in the top twelve. I got two, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Drake London, Yeah, Nico Collins.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't neither one with my least favorite.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you that Diggs is my least favorite, which

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Speaker 4: goes back to Nico and probably the Niners.

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Speaker 2: And then I was gonna say the Niner guys are

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Speaker 2: going to cancel each other out. Same thing with Wattle.

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Speaker 2: There's gonna be enough from Waddle to be a top

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Speaker 4: Wa do I like better than those guys because they

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Speaker 4: are going to run the football they will and they

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Speaker 4: Odell addition doesn't help him at all, by the way, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean he's gonna be on the field a lot.

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Speaker 4: The thing about what is he was really banged up

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Speaker 4: last year and that his healthy games were pretty awesome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd have to look too at Pittman's games with

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Speaker 2: Richardson at quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I forgot Pittman was on the list volume I'll.

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Speaker 2: Bet they weren't as good as the games show when

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Speaker 2: he had Minshew.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, he probably low on my list there, but

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Speaker 4: in them the pecking order. Yeah, Diggs is definitely my

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Speaker 4: least favorite on that list though, Yeah a lot. It's

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Speaker 4: because of the Nico. Like you mentioned, Dell would be

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Speaker 4: ahead of of Diggs for me.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so the next grouping here.

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Speaker 3: We know Stroud loves Dell.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Nigo targets plus this is here. Four targets

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Speaker 2: plus talent equals tantalizing.

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Speaker 3: This sounds like Pickens to me.

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Speaker 2: DeVante Smith, Yep Keenan Allen Malik, Neighbors, T Higgins, Amari Cooper,

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Speaker 2: George Pickens, Zay Flowers, Cooper Cup, DeAndre Hopkins, Tank Dell,

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Speaker 4: Should Marvin Harrison be in that category? Maybe you know

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Speaker 4: what I mean?

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, right, I mean, if you're putting neighbors

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Speaker 4: What maybe thinking right away. I don't have a problem

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Speaker 4: with that list. I mean I think that's a perfect

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Speaker 4: definition for Pickens.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: If I had two of those, two of those guys

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Speaker 2: are my two of my three starting wide receivers.

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Speaker 4: I'm pretty happy, especially we got a good running back

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Speaker 4: or something else in addition, because I mean they probably

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Speaker 4: go fourth round by the times of this, you know,

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Speaker 4: in a twelve team league. Pretty good, Pretty good? Anybody

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Speaker 4: stand out there. I didn't think there was one name

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Speaker 4: that like jumped off the page. Pickens is.

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Speaker 2: Not very I mean again, I think you're looking at

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Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty hundred and forty targets for George

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Speaker 2: Pickens this year if he stays healthy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he I mean, you sent me.

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Speaker 2: The thing the other day about there's only four guys

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Speaker 2: in league history at Sponkers, Yeah, who had sixty plus

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Speaker 2: by the time they were twenty two, had sixty plus

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Speaker 2: catches in a season and averaged eighteen yards per catch. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and he's one of them.

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Speaker 4: It's Randy Moss, Josh Josh Gordon, Cha Chase, Yeah, some

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Speaker 4: other total stud I saw something today too. Catchable Catchable

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Speaker 3: Came out on FTN the other day.

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Speaker 4: There's thirty five receivers that had one hundred and more targets,

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Speaker 4: only ten of them had a lower catchable ball rate

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Speaker 4: than him, and of all of them, he had the

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Speaker 4: highest average depth of target. Well, you know whose new

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Speaker 2: Really good yeah, and he's pickings. He's a guy I

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Speaker 2: don't care if he's double covered. No, I'm gonna throw

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Speaker 2: it in the area code and trust him to go

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Speaker 2: up and get it because he's just that kind of

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Speaker 4: So I don't know who charts catchable balls versus non

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Speaker 4: catchable balls, but if I think it was thirty percent

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Speaker 4: were non catchable to that guy with his catching radius, Like,

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Speaker 4: give me a chance. I mean that would be very,

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Speaker 4: very frustrating with his skill set. If it's a Deontae

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Speaker 4: it's different, but at least give me a chance.

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Speaker 2: Tier five safe bets for targets. The big list here,

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Speaker 2: Courtland Sutton, Jordan Addison, Terry McLaurin, Jaden Reid, Chris Godwin,

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Speaker 2: Deontay Johnson, Calvin Ridley, Lad McConkey, Jackson Smith and Jigba,

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Speaker 2: Christian Watson, Mike Williams, Xavier Worthy or she Rice Roma Dounzier,

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Speaker 2: Marquise Brown, Khalil Shakir, Jacobe Myers, Josh Downs, and Tyler Lockett.

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Speaker 4: I like to include those couple of young guys, you know,

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Speaker 4: Shakir Downs, I think those are breakout type candidates.

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Speaker 2: Again, if my third receiver is one of those guys,

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Speaker 2: and I got two of those other guys ahead of these,

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Speaker 2: pretty good. Yeah, I am too, as long as I

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Speaker 2: get the right one.

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Speaker 4: If I get the right one. So there's two names

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Speaker 4: there that I don't fit well. I think I would

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Speaker 4: have labeled the group differently because I think the majority

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Speaker 4: of those names you're gonna be happy with. But there's

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Speaker 4: gonna be that one week that they have two for

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Speaker 4: twenty one, you.

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Speaker 3: Know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Josh Downs would be one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, even Watson, and there's a hand in Smith and

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Speaker 4: Jigba Lockett, you know what I mean. Like some of

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Speaker 4: the are fighting, all the Green Bay guys are battling

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Speaker 4: for competition, but McLaurin and Deontay they're gonna get targets

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're a clear number one on their team.

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Speaker 4: I don't know they'll be superstars, but they're gonna get

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Speaker 4: a lot of targets.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Uh. Tier six are the wild cards, Okay, Kean Coleman,

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Speaker 2: Gabe Davis, Brian Thomas, Junior, Jamison Williams, Adam Thielen, Brandon Cooks,

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Speaker 2: Rashid Shaheed, Jerry, Judy Curtis, Samuel Michael Wilson, The Dontavian Wicks,

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Speaker 2: Josh Palmer, the Mario Douglas, Johan Dotson, Romeo Dobbs, Donnie Mitchell.

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Speaker 2: This goes back to our conversation at the end of

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Speaker 2: the last hour. We've now seen four Green Bay Wide

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Speaker 2: receivers on this list.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they have two tight ends that are young.

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Speaker 4: They are gonna be in the ball and right, right,

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Speaker 4: this is the part of fantasy land where I don't

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Speaker 4: want to count on any.

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Speaker 3: Of those, right.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to draft those guys as a starter, No,

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Speaker 2: I want to. I want to take them and hope

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Speaker 2: that they hit and then maybe move either of them

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Speaker 2: were one of my other guys for something else.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's a couple of names on that list.

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Speaker 4: I like thoughts, and I think is better than he

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Speaker 4: showed last year. The Packers guys are intriguing, but I

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Speaker 4: don't want Gave Davis. I mean there's some guys on

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Speaker 4: there too that I think they are what they are

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Speaker 4: at this point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, uh t your seven. This is sleeper territory, okay.

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Speaker 2: Jalen Polk, we're at sixty eight now.

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Speaker 4: No, sinse, We're pretty deep into it. These guys might

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Speaker 4: even get drafted in your home leagues.

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Speaker 2: Jal fulk Roman, Wilson, Troy Franklin, Wandell Robinson. These are

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Speaker 2: like all slot guys one Dell Robinson, DeMarcus Robinson, Kendrick Bourne,

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Speaker 2: Marvin Mims, Xavier Laguette, Quintin Johnston, Luke McCaffrey, Rashad Bateman,

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Speaker 2: Javon Baker, Darnell Mooney, Odell Beckham's a Jones.

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Speaker 3: There's some talent there. Though there's some talent there.

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Speaker 2: There's some guys I don't I wouldn't touch.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's some guys I wouldn't touch, Like I do

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Speaker 4: have interest in. Wandell Robinson is just catching eight balls

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Speaker 2: Don't just don't just box score watch right right right.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's going to do it. For the Fantasy Football

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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and Matt one of the all time

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Speaker 2: great athletes in any sport, really died died today, Jerry West,

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Speaker 2: And that immediately got me thinking of because people talk about,

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Speaker 2: Got me thinking of guys who have been retired at

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Speaker 2: Because he was a legit sub four or five guy.

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Speaker 4: No, I mean as a college deployment, I was a prospect.

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Speaker 3: Now, yeah, no doubt.

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Speaker 3: Linemen are just so tough.

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Speaker 4: there was no other position for.

438
00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 3: Him at the time.

439
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it makes it difficult. Yeah, yeah, we'll just

440
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,360
Speaker 2: skip over the defensive line.

441
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,800
Speaker 4: But of course the Fanica's and Marvel's and cearcs and

442
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 4: modern Yeah, the more modern guys. Sure, but I mean

443
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:14,200
Speaker 4: Webby's a no. I mean he'd have to be to

444
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:20,640
Speaker 4: ninety wood he I mean, what's Linderbaum like ninety Yeah, I.

445
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 2: Mean Webb probably, but probably lose his weight over the

446
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 2: course of the season.

447
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,639
Speaker 3: Yes, I bet he plays a two eighty. Yeah he's small.

448
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 3: I mean Webby was little.

449
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,199
Speaker 2: I mean, but he was ridiculously strong and knew how

450
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 2: to leverage.

451
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:32,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

452
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 4: The strength thing is something he has too, because he's

453
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:39,919
Speaker 4: not lacking quickness or leverage or smarts or technique and

454
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,120
Speaker 4: he's not overpowered.

455
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

456
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,360
Speaker 3: Step Moski was out side. Yeah.

457
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he was tremendous player. I mean that's

458
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 4: a long time ago too, but.

459
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 2: More moderately, Yeah, not really. Yeah, defensive end here's one

460
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 2: for sure, Elsie Greenwood and White and White what could

461
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 2: both play? They might be also line but they could

462
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:01,880
Speaker 2: be rush ends too.

463
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 3: That they would be fine.

464
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 2: They would be fine.

465
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 3: They'd be fine.

466
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:09,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, And all through Steeler history, the Porters and Gildin's

467
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 4: and they'd all be fine.

468
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, they'd all be fine.

469
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 4: Speed off the edge, mixed with power, not undersized at all, they'd.

470
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:17,119
Speaker 3: All be fine.

471
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

472
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,439
Speaker 3: I don't think they. Holmes would be okay.

473
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 4: The tackles are gonna be tough, but yeah, you'd have

474
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,879
Speaker 4: to be king size. I mean like when I was

475
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 4: a kid, the fridge was a big thing in nineteen eighty.

476
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 2: Because a three hundred pounder. He's now everybody has three pound.

477
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 4: I mean, he's a three hundred pound nose. He's getting

478
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:33,880
Speaker 4: pushed around. Yeah, you know what I mean.

479
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, now I'm with you. Uh. The linebackers Lambert and

480
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 2: Ham are tough for me, they're tough, but we see

481
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 2: guys now playing inside linebacker.

482
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 4: Getting smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller, right, and

483
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:49,880
Speaker 4: they don't care about taking on blocks.

484
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,120
Speaker 2: And see that's why I think both of them could

485
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 2: still play in today's NFL, because now, if you're a

486
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifteen hundred and twenty pounds inside linebacker,

487
00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 2: you're fine.

488
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 4: It's originally threw Ham out there, originally the outside, right,

489
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 4: but he could much different than three.

490
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,199
Speaker 2: He could play in the outside and and be a

491
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 2: running you know.

492
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 4: Could Lambert and Ham be your nickel linebackers? Oh yeah,

493
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 4: it's the only two linebackers on the field. Probably, yeah, probably.

494
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 2: I mean they're any different really than say Matt Mulano.

495
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just threw his name out there. I mean,

496
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 4: Warner doesn't take on blocks. Yeah, he's the best linebacker

497
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 4: in the league. I still remember how well they ran.

498
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 4: I just assumed that they aren't going to run four fours,

499
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,719
Speaker 4: that they're combine like today's linebackers.

500
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 2: But if they if they run four six, five.

501
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, okay, they may not be the best

502
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,959
Speaker 4: linebackers in the league, but probably a place for them.

503
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you find fun for those guys play. I'm

504
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:48,199
Speaker 2: just trying to think of anybody I mean, in the

505
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 2: same by the same fine, Andy Russell could probably still

506
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 2: play at that.

507
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 3: Along those lines, along those lines.

508
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, the safeties would be probably all right, show wag.

509
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,239
Speaker 2: Could Van Kirkland play inside linebacker in today's NFL at

510
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 2: his size?

511
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 3: Do you think that ask him to put a hand

512
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 3: on the ground.

513
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 2: Maybe?

514
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 4: I mean, what do you think he weighed his combine?

515
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 2: Maybe he's probably around two fifty to two sixty trim down.

516
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 2: And there were times that he when he was playing

517
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 2: in his playing days, he was too ninetyish. Freaka in

518
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 2: the league, yeah, the freak galley league.

519
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 3: Would they be a pro bowler? Yeah? I think they

520
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 3: pull him off the field.

521
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 4: I mean, I know he was good in coverage for

522
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 4: the day for a two hundred and eighty pound guy,

523
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 4: but I don't want him guarding Kelsey.

524
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 2: Right, that's the that's the problem.

525
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 3: But he's on the team. He's not on the field

526
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 3: on third downs. Yeah.

527
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 2: Uh, Mel Blunt and Rod Woodson can play in any era,

528
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 2: doesn't matter ten picks right now, Yeah, it doesn't matter.

529
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 4: Question A lot of the corners could. Yeah, I mean,

530
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 4: I'm sure JT. Thomas and yeah they aren't just farmers. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

531
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 4: they'd be good.

532
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 2: Well, maybe they didn't run. Here's the here's the thing

533
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 2: about the at the forty times that you have to

534
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 2: remember when you're sitting home watching these guys on the

535
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 2: NFL network. They've been training for to run that forty.

536
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 4: The most important thing is to start. Has nothing to

537
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 4: do with playing corner.

538
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 2: Right, nothing like are you fast enough to play cornerback?

539
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 2: You either are you aren't. And those guys showed like

540
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 2: you know, you're you're you're running against guys who are

541
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 2: hit you know the Branch Yeah, yeah, guys like that.

542
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 2: Who you know, who's the cowboys?

543
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 4: Hill and Pearson and the Olympian is what you're thinking

544
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:32,479
Speaker 4: of too?

545
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, like those guys could run.

546
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 4: They could run, and I'm sure, yes, the speed of

547
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 4: the game is faster now than then, but they were

548
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,959
Speaker 4: Olympic runners. I mean right, Clifford Branch was. I mean,

549
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 4: he's the big time, one of the best deep threats ever.

550
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 4: You know, I think the corners will translate pretty well.

551
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, because again that the speed training that goes into this. Now.

552
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 2: So now a guy who really runs a four or

553
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 2: five five, because he's trained to run the forty, he

554
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 2: runs a four, four or five. Yeah, he got a

555
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 2: good start on coming out of the out of the blocks.

556
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, because he's never done it before and he's wearing

557
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 4: weird sneakers and yeah, I mean like he's gonna be slow.

558
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't worry so much about that. No,

559
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 2: the safeties, Paula Malo can play well, he's easy, he's

560
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: less time. Think Shell, Donny Shell could play it downy

561
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 2: Donny Shell was a linebacker in college.

562
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean he'd be an undersized Bob

563
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 4: Sanders though, don't you think it's hee five ten, five eleven. Yeah,

564
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 4: I don't problem with him. He'd be a spot for him.

565
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 4: There'd be a spot for him somewhere. The same Carnell

566
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 4: a could play in any era. Yeah, yeah, he ran

567
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 4: well and did those things. What about like the Mike

568
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 4: Wagner's of the world. Probably, I mean, I don't know

569
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 4: how well. I mean, I'm guessing on speed with these guys.

570
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 2: But like speed at the safety position isn't necessarily.

571
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 4: And when we opened the show talking Minca, could Wagner

572
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 4: be a lesser version of a deep middle Minca? And

573
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 4: terms of seeing the field in angles and stuff.

574
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: Yes, caught the ball thirty six receptions, you.

575
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 3: Know, can he get to the sidelines? I don't remember.

576
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 2: Is he any different than like Darren Perry, Darren Perry

577
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 2: wasn't a great when the speedster Thomas Everett.

578
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean guys have had deficiencies. Yeah, we're smart,

579
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 4: probably not much different.

580
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 2: Not much And yeah, I mean, so I look at it,

581
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 2: there's probably.

582
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 3: More than what you think, way more than when you

583
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 3: open this subject.

584
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: I don't think that Bradshaw's fine quarterbacks are gonna be fine,

585
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 2: and he wouldn't throw as many interceptions now as he

586
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 2: now back then.

587
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 4: Frankly, the pocket passers, the neo o'donalds would be the

588
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 4: one that suffered. Yeah, I mean, Bradshaw and Cordell were

589
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 4: tremendous athletes that they'd be fine. Where if you're only

590
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 4: a drop back third round pick out of Maryland O'Donnell,

591
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 4: you're probably six round pick.

592
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I mean?

593
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably right. Yeah, but have changed, like the in

594
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: the NFL. Players have gotten bigger and stronger. But if

595
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 2: you're an athlete, you're an athlete. Yeah, Whereas I think

596
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,479
Speaker 2: you know, when you look at some of the other sports,

597
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 2: you know, Paul Skins is out there throwing one hundred

598
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 2: mile an hour on every pitch and it's it's like

599
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 2: the fastest he has put So I heard it stat

600
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 2: the thing today. He's thrown already this season, like fifty

601
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 2: eight fastballs over one hundred mile an hour in his starts.

602
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: Stephen Strasburg, who was just a decade ago the number

603
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 2: one overall pick and.

604
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 3: Was this phenom. Okay, same type.

605
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 2: That's more than he had in his career.

606
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 3: Wow, So I.

607
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 4: Would not know those things, like I was about to

608
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 4: ask you, and I bet we don't know the answer.

609
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 4: Did Bob Feller throw harder?

610
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: Well, we don't know because those guys Walter Johnson.

611
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 4: You know, I mean, Randy Johnson, Nolan Ryan through pretty.

612
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: They were pretty yeah, they were. They were all good

613
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: hard throwers. That that translates, you know, to any era.

614
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.

615
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 2: But the difference is is those guys, you know, they're

616
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 2: the mechanics are so much better and again the nutrition

617
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 2: and things of that nature. So they, you know, and

618
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: the players have gotten if they're playing against, have gotten bigger, stronger, faster,

619
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: training year round and all that you know stuff that

620
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 2: those guys.

621
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 3: It's an age old argument.

622
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, like the version of Jim Brown that

623
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 4: came into the league would be the first running back

624
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 4: taken now, which is fifty years later, but it wouldn't

625
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 4: be the same version if he was born in two thousand,

626
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 4: of course, and what a version that would be, you

627
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 4: know what I mean with the nutrition and training and

628
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 4: blah blah blah blah. I mean, he was as big

629
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 4: as his lineman.

630
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Barry Sanders can play in.

631
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 4: Any any blunt. I meant there's a lot of Steelers,

632
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 4: a lot of the quarterbacks before Heath Miller. The Steelers

633
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 4: don't have a really rich tight end history compared to

634
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 4: their other positions. But like an Eric Green maybe could play.

635
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 4: I don't think Grossman would be the same. Could Benny

636
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 4: or Eric Green or somebody like that be your number

637
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 4: two tight end or a quality inline player?

638
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 3: I mean I think Eric Green is really good.

639
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I'm sure like the hardy Nickersons could play,

640
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 4: and Merriweather and those type of dudes that were.

641
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 3: Pretty athletic and really good at what they did.

642
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean O line would be hard for

643
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 4: any era, right, I mean the Packers of the sixties

644
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 4: zero line can't play this.

645
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: Guys were turning on twenty pounds.

646
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's just the way it works. Doesn't

647
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 4: diminish their greatness at the time.

648
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 2: Though, No, No, it does. Hard yeah, the line, the

649
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: lines are hard.

650
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 4: Projecting speed where we sit today is hard to but yeah,

651
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 4: if you were fast for your era, I'm assuming you're

652
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 4: gonna be still fast.

653
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

654
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 3: It might not be Tyreek Hill fast, but you're still fast.

655
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 2: I mean Bo Jackson was fast. Bo Jackson had played

656
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 2: in twenty five years and.

657
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Speaker 4: He's the first running back draft If he comes out

658
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Speaker 4: this year, yeah, no doubt. I mean, if the Auburn

659
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,719
Speaker 4: version of Bo goes where Bijon goes.

660
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Speaker 2: I was talking about Wolf with that today. The word

661
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 2: on the street back in the day was that Bo

662
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Speaker 2: Jackson ran a four to one eight forty.

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Speaker 4: I mean did, and Bo was bigger. But I mean, yeah,

664
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Speaker 4: there's freaks of all eros of course, Like the IF

665
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 4: network was just happened to be on the other day

666
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 4: and it was a Super Bowl where the Rams beat

667
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 4: the Titans down the last play. Yeah, you know, show

668
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 4: on turf and they're raving about Javon Kirks. He's the freak. Yeah,

669
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Speaker 4: and I'm watching him. I'm like, he's as freaky then

670
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,239
Speaker 4: as he'd be now. I mean, he was explosive off

671
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 4: the ball. He ran like a four to five in

672
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 4: his combine. It'd probably be a four to four today.

673
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,719
Speaker 4: If he trained a little bit different, he'd be Watt, Garrett,

674
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Speaker 4: Bosa whatever.

675
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 3: I mean.

676
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 4: Didn't have a career like those guys, but he was

677
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 4: a freak on that field, probably be a freak on

678
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 4: this field.

679
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, good athletes are good athletes regardless of

680
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: of eras. And you know that Jerry West dying just

681
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 2: got me thinking about that because I mean, if you

682
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: look at West's career numbers.

683
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 3: Like West doesn't look like Lebron or no.

684
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Speaker 2: But I mean, you know there like he averaged in

685
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 2: the sixty nine to seventy season, he averaged he played it,

686
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: first of all, all forty two minutes.

687
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Speaker 3: Wow.

688
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 2: If he averaged forty two minutes game, but he offered

689
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 2: the season for the season, he avers thirty one point

690
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: two points. He shot forty nine point seven percent. He

691
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: was he was a jump shooter with no three points.

692
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 3: Shot no threes either. I mean imagine if he was.

693
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Speaker 3: I mean, how many threes will Luca attempt to know? Yeah?

694
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Speaker 2: Eight ten and also average you know, almost five rebounds

695
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: a game and seven and a half assists.

696
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Speaker 4: Those are all time great numbers. Yeah, I mean he's

697
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 4: and for all these conversations. I believe you judge greatness

698
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 4: by who you played against, how great you were. Yeah,

699
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 4: and he was like the best player in the.

700
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: League, right, he was right there, he was right there. Yeah.

701
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Speaker 3: I mean they'd some centers back then that were unbelievable.

702
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow, shooter shoot, I mean he shot. You know,

703
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 2: in the sixty eight sixty seven sixty eight season, he

704
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 2: shot fifty one point four percent as a jump shooter

705
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,719
Speaker 2: with no three pointers. Like you start throwing three pointers

706
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: in there.

707
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's a lot more points per game.

708
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 4: He probably averages ten more points per game with a

709
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 4: three point line, at least five, at least five. Yeah,

710
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 4: he's gonna again, Lucas gonna shoot ten of them tonight

711
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 4: and maybe he only makes four. There's a lot of

712
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 4: points though, of the course of the can make three?

713
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Speaker 2: You had a good night, like if you? If you? Yeah,

714
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Speaker 2: I mean, I just the air of stuff. I think

715
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 2: people get too much caught caught up into it. I

716
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 2: hear kids all all the time talking about with it.

717
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 2: You know that guy. Those players from the eighties they

718
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 2: couldn't play now, Yeah they could. They could tell me

719
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan couldn't play today.

720
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Speaker 3: Maybe best the league. I'm sure.

721
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, it is startling, especially for someone like my

722
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 4: son that's seventeen years old or whatever and doesn't remember

723
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 4: the era. When you turn on seventy Steelers flashback games

724
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 4: or any sport, really it's like this is a different world.

725
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 4: I mean a lot of its scheme and size and

726
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 4: all those things.

727
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 2: The game was played differently.

728
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 4: Game was just played so much. I mean, they didn't

729
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 4: have a nickel package, they didn't have a third receiver.

730
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 4: I mean, like things that are so basic now. They

731
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 4: didn't preset that motion. I mean like things that are

732
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 4: just every The shotgun wasn't was just right. That's pretty risky.

733
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Speaker 3: I don't know if we should do.

734
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Speaker 4: You know, coaches saying things like we don't pass the

735
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 4: ball because two three it happens when you power bad. Yeah,

736
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 4: but passing ball is pretty good stuff.

737
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, come a long way well, and you

738
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: could also close line the receiver at the line of scrimmage.

739
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

740
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Speaker 4: My favorite example, honestly is well, my all time favorite

741
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 4: athlete is Mary Lemieux. But if you look at like

742
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 4: Lemieux and Gretzky highlights, there is so much net to

743
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 4: shootout compared to now. You know, I mean, like the

744
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 4: pads are smaller, the goalies just don't take up nearly

745
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 4: as much space, and that doesn't diminish from them at all.

746
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 4: But like Gretzky scored over two hundred points several times,

747
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 4: Mario got to one ninety nine, Like when they took

748
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 4: slap shots, it went in. Yeah, you know, I mean

749
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 4: there was just a lot of space.

750
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

751
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 3: Absolutely, the hoop was the same.

752
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 4: I mean, basketball musher is the same because the hoop's

753
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 4: always been saying, yeah.

754
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: It's you know, it is what it is.

755
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:47,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, the lane, I think.

756
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 4: Lane, I think baseball and basketball probably changed the least. Yeah,

757
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 4: you know, Willie Mays is probably still the best center

758
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 4: fielder in the league.

759
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 3: Yeah you think. I mean, Cofax is still the best

760
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:57,919
Speaker 3: starter in the league.

761
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 4: Or you know, yeah, I don't know about Babe Ruth,

762
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 4: but I'm I'm like Manal and May's and Clementy, like

763
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 4: I'll take that outfield.

764
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Speaker 2: Yeah pretty yeah, Yeah, let's get to a break. He

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Speaker 2: is the Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lolly. You're listening to

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00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back

767
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: to finish up the show right after this.

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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

769
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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

770
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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio, and.

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Speaker 2: We are back. I am Dale LOLLI he is the

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and this is Drive on Steelers Nation Radio.

773
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Speaker 2: Steelers are wrapping up their second mini camp practice today

774
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 2: over more at the upmc rooney Sports Complex and yeah,

775
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: one more to go. They'll practice again tomorrow and then

776
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: they'll be off until the start of training camp.

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Speaker 4: That's five weeks give her take. Yeah, okay, I'll be

778
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 4: taking a vacation in that time. They'll be taking plenty

779
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 4: of vacations in that time, I'm sure. And then, as

780
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 4: everyone knows, it's full blown.

781
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 2: Let's go, let's go, let's get it on. The big

782
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 2: news coming out of mini camps around the league has

783
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 2: been more about who hasn't been there? Now, yesterday was

784
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: Najee Harris with the Steelers. He was not there. I

785
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 2: believe he was there today but did not participate in practices.

786
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 2: So maybe a bit of a holding situation, Yeah, I mean.

787
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Speaker 4: Letting them know his thoughts on the subject obviously. Yeah,

788
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 4: but it is one hundred thousand dollars fine, right, if.

789
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Speaker 2: You're not excused. Yes, you're which takes us to Aaron

790
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 2: Rodgers with the Jets, and he is being fined one

791
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars a day because he is not in

792
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: attendance at the Jets OTA sessions. I might add too,

793
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: that Najee Harris has been He was a participant at

794
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 2: the OTAs.

795
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Speaker 4: Up until okay, the whole way through, and so he

796
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 4: only missed Tuesday of all this process, you know, this

797
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 4: season stuff. So I want to get the Rogers in

798
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 4: a minute. Trent Williams missed a day because it was

799
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 4: his kids graduation, but still cost him one hundred grand.

800
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Speaker 3: But one hundred grand to him is different than ten grand.

801
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Speaker 2: You're not going to miss a kids graduation. I can't

802
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: believe the team wouldn't excuse him.

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Speaker 3: They probably did.

804
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Speaker 4: I'm actually not sure about one hundred grand.

805
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: Thing.

806
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 4: A really weird one though, is also with the Jets.

807
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 4: They trade for Hassan Reddick, who's uncomfortable and not happy

808
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 4: with his contract with the Eagles, and then he's now

809
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 4: like that never happens. I'm like, if you make a

810
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 4: deal for a disgruntled veteran star, the day he joins

811
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 4: your team, he signs a contract, like, isn't.

812
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 2: That typically nine out of ten times, I can't remember

813
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 2: a time where if you're going to make the trade

814
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: that you would ask the team, Hey, is it negotiated?

815
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 2: Is it all right if we call the agent to

816
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: make sure we can make get a deal done?

817
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 4: You're right, the Jets do some weird stuff which will

818
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 4: bring us to Rogers, of course, But how do you

819
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 4: make that deal without having a contract in place? Do

820
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 4: you think he's going to be happier with the exact

821
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 4: same deal in New York and living in New.

822
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: York, which is more expensive than Philly, so he.

823
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Speaker 4: Hasn't been to many camp either, Like, I don't know.

824
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 4: That's just poor management to me. Don't make the deal

825
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 4: or get a deal done before you make the deal

826
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Speaker 4: and get that locked up and make everybody happy. As

827
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 4: a Rogers, he's a super odd dude. He's got a

828
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 4: ton of money. One hundred grand doesn't meet anything.

829
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Speaker 2: But still you'd like bad, you'd like your quarterback to

830
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 2: be there. And I guess he was there for all

831
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Speaker 2: the OTA sessions this year.

832
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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe it is something super important, a funeral or

833
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 3: what anything.

834
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Speaker 2: It was a vacation really that he said he apparently

835
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 2: scheduled while he was I guess injured, scheduled the vacation

836
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 2: during the season last year, during the season last year,

837
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 2: and then did change it even though he knew, you know,

838
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: when the Jets are going to hold their their mini

839
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 2: camp this week. The other thing is that it just

840
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: could have held their mini camp last week and and

841
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Speaker 2: Rogers would have been there, Okay, because you could pick

842
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 2: your you could pick when you wanted to do it.

843
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he's I mean, I'm sure his two things.

844
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 4: His vacations aren't like mine or yours. I mean there,

845
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 4: maybe it's around the world trip or maybe something he's

846
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 4: doing something insane sitting, But he also has the means

847
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 4: to probably.

848
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Speaker 3: Change it a heck of a lot easier than you

849
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Speaker 3: or I.

850
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Speaker 4: Right to a once in a lifetime vacation, can't miss it,

851
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 4: or it'd be different if his vacation to your sister's

852
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 4: wedding or your.

853
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 3: Son's wedding destination, Well, they didn't change it. I can't

854
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 3: be there. I don't know.

855
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 4: I mean this, he's such a strange bird who's had

856
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 4: an unbelievably great career, and he's the whole face of

857
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 4: the foundation of this team. And he wasn't there last year.

858
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 4: I think it's a terrible look.

859
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 2: It's a bad look. Yeah. So you're you're the leader,

860
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 2: you're the quarterback.

861
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't care if you throw a football while

862
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 4: you're here. Yeah, show up and be around for three

863
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 4: days and then you get to the next six weeks.

864
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 4: Off for five weeks, tour the world or do whatever

865
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Speaker 4: it is you do.

866
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Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe there's more of the story and

867
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 3: it's much ado about nothing.

868
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: Go tour with fish or whatever it is you want

869
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: to right, have.

870
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Speaker 4: A blast, and it probably won't make one difference. We'll

871
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 4: never talk about it again when training camp opens.

872
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 3: But I don't know.

873
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Speaker 4: If I was young rook, I'm the first round pick

874
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 4: out of Penn State. Where's Aaron. Yeah, kind of looking

875
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 4: forward to hanging with him and you know, doing football.

876
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 3: Stuff with them.

877
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: The other thing I saw today, Matt was there was

878
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 2: a report out there that the forty nine Ers made

879
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 2: a contract offer to Brandon Ayuk twenty six million a year.

880
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: So that too, That to me is why I don't

881
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 2: see the Steelers trading for Brandon Ayuk.

882
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 3: So this has gotten strange too.

883
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 2: In that.

884
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 4: Boy, do we talk about reading the tea leaves and

885
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 4: teams tell you what they think. So it starts drafting

886
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 4: pure Saul in the first round, right then they signed

887
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 4: Jennings to not a nothing deal as their third receiver.

888
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 4: He's a good player. He's making like eight million a year.

889
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 4: Then they signed McCaffrey and my co host Brian Peacocky

890
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 4: hosts locked on forty nine ers. He firmly believes that

891
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 4: McCaffrey will have his exact same role this year, and

892
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 4: then they're gonna turn him into Deebo Samuel late in

893
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 4: his career. He's going to do the wide back stuff.

894
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 4: You know, he's good enough for outrunner. They want to

895
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 4: save him. They can't just pound them between the tackles

896
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 4: for the duration of this contract. Yeah, and he's a

897
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 4: great receiver.

898
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 3: And they drafted Grendo or they'll find a running back

899
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 3: or whatever.

900
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 4: And they still parties contract coming up, Like I think

901
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 4: they know in twenty twenty five they're going to be

902
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 4: with aut Ayuk or Debo. Now, there's certainly a strong argument,

903
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 4: and my co host thinks the Niners are just in

904
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 4: it to win it this year. They're not moving anybody

905
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 4: win the Super Bowl.

906
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 3: If you get a ring.

907
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 4: Who cares if everybody leaves, you know, all in Trent

908
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 4: Williams retires, you got to pay party whatever. What's pushing

909
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 4: all our chips in very well could be true, but

910
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 4: I think they want to sign Ayuk, but the market

911
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 4: got ahead of them right in a big way. They

912
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 4: think he's a twenty six million dollar player, where he's

913
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 4: really a thirty million dollar player.

914
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 2: Right twenty six It only gets you in like to

915
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: the top at this point.

916
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 4: Above like Nico and Devonte Smith, who are good players.

917
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 4: But I think he looks at it like I'm I'm

918
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 4: on Ross Saint Brown with market. I need thirty, which

919
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:43,479
Speaker 4: he deserves considering the market. So I think they're gonna

920
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 4: I think the plan was get Ayuk under contract, move

921
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 4: on from trade Deebo after this year in it to

922
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 4: win it. But if we're five million dollars off, do

923
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 4: they trade Ayuk and go with Debo and Piersoll?

924
00:42:58,840 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 3: I don't know.

925
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of smoke there. I don't

926
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 4: know what the fire is, but there's smoke there.

927
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 2: The other thing with I.

928
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 3: Don't know how that affects the Steelers or if it

929
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 3: does at all.

930
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. If it does or not the

931
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 2: other thing. And if I'm Mayuk's agent, I'm saying, hey,

932
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: twenty six million in California right right in and San

933
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 2: Francisco is much different than you know, Nico Collins getting

934
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: twenty five in Houston. Yeah, yeah, where there's no state

935
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 2: income tax.

936
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 3: And you know that's a great point. I mean, cost

937
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 3: of living in that city, let alone that state is.

938
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: That's I mean, that city's the highest real estate in

939
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 2: the world, right in the.

940
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 3: Country, in this country anyways.

941
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, thirty million industry for Saint Brown's a

942
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 4: lot different than twenty six in San fran right now.

943
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 3: How it relates to the Steelers.

944
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 4: If he was a Pittsburgh Steeler right now and I'd

945
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 4: had to give up zero draft picks for him, not

946
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 4: the real world, I'd give him thirty million.

947
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 3: They can do it. They have the money.

948
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 4: I think he's worth that in today's market. Is he

949
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 4: worth thirty million in pick?

950
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 2: Yeah? Likely a first round pick that's the first.

951
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 3: Round pick is not on the table for me even

952
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 3: have this discussioncause.

953
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 2: I might have to draft a quarterback yeah soon.

954
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean, no question about it. Like I

955
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 4: don't know that you can get a first round pick

956
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 4: for Ayuk and the contract. That's the problem if I'm

957
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 4: the Niners. So I'm trying to think of it as

958
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 4: they're thinking about it, you know, I mean Debo. If

959
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 4: they can get a deal done with Ayuk, can you

960
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 4: get Debo for three because I don't think he's in

961
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 4: the long term plans for him, or they just keep

962
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 4: him all and try to win it all?

963
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's more to the story in San frances.

964
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: All saying you know, that's why to me, I keep

965
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 2: coming back to.

966
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 3: Would they assigned Jennings if they knew this was going

967
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 3: to be the situation? Yeah? Right now?

968
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 2: To me, it comes down to not just trading the

969
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 2: best player available. I don't need to do it because

970
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 2: I haven't. I have what I think is a number

971
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: one receiver in George Pickens developing or Headn't that way right? Yeah,

972
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 2: I don't need a number one. That would be a luxury,

973
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 2: but it'd be nice. It'd be nice, But are you

974
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: know for for me? And something that Arthur Smith said

975
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 2: yesterday that that it caught my attention. He said, looking

976
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 2: over at the course of a seventeen game season, you

977
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 2: run around eleven hundred offensive plays.

978
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 3: Yeah.

979
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, So if you're if you're doing things the way

980
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 2: you want to do things, you're gonna run. You're gonna

981
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 2: run the ball five hundred and fifty times, So you're

982
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 2: looking for a fifty to fifty split.

983
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's what his history shows.

984
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so do you need to have two star receivers.

985
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 3: No, you don't need them.

986
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 4: But we've talked about this a million times too. Pickens

987
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 4: isn't gonna play all those snaps for the next couple

988
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 4: of years. Yeah, so side, I'm just playing devil's advocate.

989
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 4: I mean, say the Steelers end up with a twentieth

990
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 4: pick in the draft again next year, you probably won't

991
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 4: get a receiver of Ayuk's.

992
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 3: I'd rather have Vayuke than that that.

993
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 4: Receiver, you know, including the money, including rookie money versus

994
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 4: thirty million a year, But that might have to be

995
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 4: a quarterback. That might have to be Cam's replacement. You

996
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 4: don't know that it's going to be a receiver. You know,

997
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 4: I would be interested in the second and thirty million

998
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 4: a year. I'd be interested in the third for debo.

999
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 4: But if I'm a nine Ers, why do I say

1000
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 4: yes to that?

1001
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 3: Right?

1002
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 2: You know, that's the that's the rub. So I think

1003
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: I think people need to come down off of that

1004
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 2: perch a little bit. And and maybe again when I

1005
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: when I say, you know, call the Packers. Yeah, who

1006
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 2: have a bevy of good young receivers that they like,

1007
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 2: but they're not they only have one football.

1008
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 4: I mean, we've had a millions of Metchi Woods sperks.

1009
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 2: You get Can I can I get Dontavian Wicks off

1010
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 2: the Packers, Who's a good young player.

1011
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 4: But I'm also thinking through the Packers' eyes, I have

1012
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 4: no money invested in these guys, right, why would I

1013
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 4: turn him into a third round pick?

1014
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 2: Well, again, if I need a left tackle.

1015
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 4: Man more, some of another piece you could dangle it.

1016
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 4: Did a podcast yesterday where the question was about Tyler Lockett.

1017
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 4: That one makes a lot of sense to me because

1018
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 4: they have the whole new staff.

1019
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 2: They just use a first round draft pick last year.

1020
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 4: They have a replacement in house who's going to play more.

1021
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 4: Their cap situation's.

1022
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 3: Awful, it's awful, and he is a massive cap hit.

1023
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 3: They restructured him. But Tyler Lockett off as a picket.

1024
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that would be good.

1025
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, it would work. I don't think he caught. I

1026
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,439
Speaker 4: think he cost me a fourth or a fifth because

1027
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 4: of the money and because of the money in the age. Yeah,

1028
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 4: and he can still play. Yeah, and he knows Russell

1029
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 4: Wilson like the back.

1030
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,479
Speaker 2: Of saying, I think that's something's much more realistic, Yeah

1031
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 2: than can you continuing to talk about the Ayuk.

1032
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 4: Situation, Yuks and guys of that, even Metcalf, Yeah, I

1033
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 4: mean on the same team.

1034
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 3: I mean he's going to be more expensive.

1035
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. So anyways, that's gonna do it for the show today, Met.

1036
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, toughed it out, I know, a nice word.

1037
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 2: Playing hurt different between being hurt and injured. Gotta know

1038
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 2: the difference. Anyways, for my partner Matt Williamson, for Justin

1039
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 2: Miller here keeping us on the air, I'm Dale Lollie.

1040
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: We appreciate you listening to this edition of the Drive

1041
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Speaker 2: on Steelers Nation Radio.