WEBVTT - The A&G Replay Thursday Hour Three 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:14.360 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:15.840 Washington Broadcast Center. 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:18.680 Jack Armstrong's Joe Getty arm. 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:25.880 Strong and Gatty and he Armstrong and Getty Strong. 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:28.760 Hey, I'm Strong and Getty. We're featuring our podcast One 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:31.760 More Thing. Find it wherever you find all your podcasts. 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:36.200 So I came across this in the Washington Post about 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:39.760 Swedish death claiming kind of sort of. It's a variation 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:43.880 on this theme that we've heard from like what's her face? 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:47.080 The Marie Condo lady, remember her? That was all. 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:50.680 About you know, hold everything in your hand and if 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:53.440 you don't cherish it, get rid of it. Neatness, your 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:55.680 home should be neat all the time. Blah blah blah. 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:57.360 Then she had a kid and said, yeah, f this. 0:00:57.720 --> 0:00:59.600 Yeah, that's the best part of that story is she 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:02.080 was tight clutter and how and then then she had 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:04.200 kids and decided, yeah, you can't. 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:06.120 You can't keep up with this. It's impossible. 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:09.320 Yeah, all that stuff I said before, forget it anyway. 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:12.280 So this story opens up is all stories must with 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:16.759 this lady whose mom passed away, one bedroom apartment, mostly 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:17.600 clean and tidy. 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:18.160 Uh. 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:20.400 So we thought it'd be manageable. When she passed, we 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:23.880 were wrong. And then they get into the racks and 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:27.279 racks of clothes, many unworn in years, kitchen cabinets stocked, 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:31.440 stacked with pots and plastic storage containers, bulk orders of 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:35.360 tissues and hot sauce. Each item on its own wasn't unreasonable, 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:39.200 but the aggregate proved overwhelming. For several painful weeks, we 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:42.160 gave things away, sometimes with labels still on them. During 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:45.240 your garage sale, pill carted off thousands of dollars in goods. 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:47.720 We piled the driveway high with stuff then posted to 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:51.440 buy nothing groups. So I didn't even know that was 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:55.600 a thing. Yeah, I understand like free stuff, but yeah, 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:57.840 that's what it is. It's a social media it's the 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:00.360 buy nothing. It's just basically this is for free, come 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:04.000 pick it up whatever. Huh And okay, finally we paid 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:06.400 a crew in multiple trucks to pick up the rest. 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:12.360 And then then they go into this reality show that 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.440 this chick does the gentle art of Swedish death cleaning, 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:17.840 which is one of the worst titles I've ever heard 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:21.799 for any piece of entertainment ever, but it was inspired 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:23.720 by a best selling book by this eighty nine year 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:30.240 old Swedish woman who talks about not getting caught up 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:34.600 in material things. You are not your stuff, letting go 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:37.440 of the stuff, not letting it accumulate, and how much 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:40.720 how much that helps you, because clutter is linked to 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:42.880 stress and anxiety and depression, all sorts of stuff. 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:43.360 I believe that. 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:45.680 I hope I am not my stuff. Looking at my garage, 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:52.359 I'm a mess. Examples I have just so much crap. 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:55.200 Just just get a rap. Yeah, I'm a bit of 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:57.160 a hoarder and it's weird. 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:03.560 I don't think I am you actually you like horde stuff? No, 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:08.680 a bit of a hoarder. I have clothes I don't wear. 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:12.560 I'm probably almost certainly not going to wear, but I 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:14.560 don't get rid of them. I feel this, I feel 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:17.680 this pain getting rid of them. 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:19.560 I don't. Yeah, I don't think I have that. 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:23.680 I have a There's probably in that big closet full 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:26.800 of clothes. Some I do want to keep. I'm not 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:28.679 going to go through them all, so I just keep 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:32.440 them all. Are those boxes in the garage, there's some 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:37.720 stuff in there I don't want to throw out all. 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:42.160 I'll do cleaning and I'll find myself almost feeling an 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:45.320 emotional attachment to maybe the memory that that T shirt has, 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:47.400 like a band T shirt or something from a show, 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:50.240 or I'll get frustrated with myself with a certain item 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:53.480 and going, Kate, you don't need to keep this. It is, yeah, 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.560 totally irrelevant, but it was attached to something I did. 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:59.640 This is probably universal. But the really tough ones are 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:02.160 kids stuff. I mean, you can't keep every clothing item, 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:04.800 every kit you kid ever had, or book or toy, 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:06.560 but god dang it, throwing some of that. 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:10.680 Stuff out seems like just wrong. How do I get 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:12.160 rid of this book. 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:16.120 That I read to my kids every night for years 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:17.640 during the greatest moments. 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:21.320 I can't keep them all. I don't need eighty books 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:23.120 eight weeks. 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:27.159 We kept a bunch, you know, assuming nieces and nephews 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:30.400 and grandkids or whatever would be in the picture eventually, 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:33.599 and have given some way to other parents because that 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:34.280 feels good. 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:35.080 The clothes. 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:36.640 I see a T shirt and I think, oh, I 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:38.080 remember when Sam would wear this. 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:39.839 But I can't keep all the shirts. 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:42.520 Well, there are so many memories that they trigger. I 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:45.840 get that, but that's defensible to me. Some shirt that 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:49.279 I'm just not gonna wear probably it's just weird. I 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:51.719 think I've always thought it's probably because you know, I 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:54.000 didn't grow up poor, but we were far from rich, 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:56.200 and you know, I was wearing hand me downs and stuff, 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:58.120 and the idea of a nice new shirt was like 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:01.760 really really cool, And so it's hard for me to 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:03.279 I don't know anyway. 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:07.000 There's a and pain in knowing you paid fifty bucks 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:10.440 for something and now it's worthless. That is also something 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:11.279 going on in your brain. 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:12.080 Yeah, that's funny. 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:14.599 I don't really that doesn't bother me as much. I 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:17.200 don't think I bought this shirt and while I'm going 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:20.240 to give it away. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:20.800 I realized. 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.760 Then they go into each product we buy on average 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.040 accounts for roughly six point three times it's weight in 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:29.280 carbon emissions whatever. Yeah, I really don't give a shout off. 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:30.160 I had to go there. 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:34.600 Yeah yeah, okay, So onto Swedish death cleaning or durstyaming. 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:38.159 I don't even know what that letter is, much less 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:39.800 how to say it. 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:42.279 It's it's it isn't about clearing out closet. 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:45.720 It's about it's about rethinking your relationships with things rather 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:47.720 than making do with less it's about getting more from 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:49.039 the things that make you happy. 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:52.360 I had a buddy who is so good at this 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:54.680 with clothes, Like when we were in college. I had 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:57.120 a closet full of clothes that I was never gonna 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:01.760 wear again that had been toting around, and he was good, like, 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:03.880 these are the two pairs of pants I'm going to 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.560 wear this summer. These are the three cool shirts I like? 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:07.720 Is it? 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:09.680 He got rid of everybody else and he was Wow, 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:10.880 I wish I could do that. 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:15.000 So death cleaning happens to agree with scientists understanding of 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:17.680 our relationship with things and why we're loathed to part 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:20.640 with them. Decades of research have shown that we subconsciously 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:25.120 see our possessions as physical extensions of ourselves. Losing them 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:27.720 feels like an amputation because in our minds it is 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.880 we're attached to our belongings because we identify them, says 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:38.080 researcher in Dublin. This conveer into pathologies such as hoarding. 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:40.760 Belonging has become sof fused with a sense of self 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:43.600 that people lose the ability to differentiate between, say, the 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:46.440 value of a saved wedding ring of saving a wedding 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:47.960 ring or a candy wrapper. 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:51.840 Wow, now that's pathological. 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:56.919 Instead of our possessions offering quote a vital receptacle for 0:06:56.960 --> 0:07:00.200 our memories and identities, researchers say they become a fortress, 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:03.720 physical barriers to ward off feelings of insecurity and loneliness. 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:07.360 Wow. Yes, this is crazy. 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:09.760 I don't doubt some of this. I think my problem 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:14.560 is mostly laziness. It's well or not laziness. Some laziness. 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:17.160 Well, you're crazy busy. Yeah, I'm too busy to go. 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:19.240 Through a bunch of boxes in my garage to see 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:20.360 what I want to throw out or not. 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:24.280 That's what's slowing me down. Have you ever watched the 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:25.880 show Hoarders? 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:28.840 Oh yeah, yeah, there's a clear line between what we're 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:31.120 talking about and them. 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:34.600 Right, But the way that they their emotions spikes so 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:36.640 much when they do try to get rid of things, 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:39.200 it's I mean, that's that's absolutely mental. 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:42.200 My youngest kid has a little bit of that. He's 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:44.320 definitely got more of that than that is good. He 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:47.320 just ah, his attachment to some things is. 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:51.040 A little scary. Wow. 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:53.640 Well, I'm glad you're all enjoying this as I psychoanalyze 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:56.440 myself because this is crazy. His research this is the 0:07:56.520 --> 0:08:01.560 guy we decided earlier shows that materialism, a tendency to 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:06.200 seek out possessions for status or approval, is unequivocally associated 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:10.600 with more loneliness and less happiness. But not all possessions 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:12.880 are equal. Things required for their beauty, utility, or their 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:16.600 association with positive experiences and social relationships don't show the 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:21.720 same correlation. That's interesting my grandmother's garden if, for example, 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:24.000 for example, every time I hold it, the smooth hickory 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:27.360 handle polish over a half century resurrects blissful childhood hours 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:30.080 spent in her Florida garden, et cetera, et cetera. It's 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:32.760 a good thing to have a few reminders symbolic meaning, 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:35.280 et cetera, et cetera. And I'm willing to bet many 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:37.720 things in your home, as in mine, are neither useful, beautiful, 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:43.079 nor sentimental. So moving on, how does death cleaning work? 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:46.640 Things that take up space in our minds as well 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:49.400 as our addicts and garages, bah bah. By clarifying what's 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:51.880 important and what's not, you make room. Your loved ones 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:53.720 can receive what you might like. Before you go. We're 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.280 leaving them the burden of cleaning up once you're gone. 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:58.240 This might seem hard. Who wants to give their stuff 0:08:58.240 --> 0:08:58.920 away right now? 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:05.600 Seasons? It's a good description of. 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:07.600 What it is like to a massive bunch of stuff 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.920 and not really appreciate it. Okay, so start with the 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:15.439 easy stuff. Begin with large or duplicate items first, then 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:18.960 finish with the small and sentimental clothes. They are an excellent 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:21.079 place to start, since many of them have little practical 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:24.920 or sentimental use. Photographs, personal papers, and letters are the 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:25.800 hardest to clear out. 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:28.280 I've got, like my sock drawer has got I don't 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:30.280 know how many pairs of socks are in there, thirty 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:33.880 pairs of socks I wear the same, ten pair on top, 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:36.520 the bottom twenty pair I never wear, and I'm never 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:38.880 going to wear because of the style or color or 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:39.640 the worn out or whatever. 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:40.760 Why don't I throw those out? 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:45.079 I have enough socks, including the other day I was 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:48.040 asking Jack about what length socks somebody was wearing, and 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:51.079 you reacted as if I was some sort of suck 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:53.360 connoisseur to have different lengths. 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:56.320 You're a sock samall, ye, yeah, in a way. 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:58.680 Yeah, So I've got the no shows, I've got the ankle, 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:03.400 I've got the MidCap, et cetera. I have enough socks 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:06.880 that if our washing machine broke down, never mind that 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:11.199 if it were outlawed, I would not have to wear 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:12.679 a dirty pair of socks for. 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:19.000 Three and a half months. That's a lot of socks. 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:24.160 Maybe more, that'd be a hundred pair of socks something 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:24.920 like that. 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.600 Wow, that's a lot of socks. I thought. I haven't any. 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:31.600 Multiple drawers with socks. I got white socks. I got 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:35.480 no shows, like to play golf in to minimize my 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:38.240 weird golf ten what your son charmingly refers to as 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:38.959 Morgan feet. 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:44.079 It's a good term. Then I have a drawer full. 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:49.079 Of black and like uh black and dark blue athletic socks. 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:50.320 Then I've got my dress socks. 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:52.920 Then I've got my like wooly winter socks for when 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:55.120 we had our mountain place being up in the snow 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:58.280 a lot. We aren't anymore. Yeah, I have I have 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:00.720 enough socks to wear for many months. 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:03.400 Gosh, getting those to match up when doing the laundry 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:04.880 must just be infuriating. 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:09.360 All socks, Yeah, except you know, as Jack indicates, in 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:11.400 the space of two weeks, I wear two weeks worth 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:11.920 of socks. 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:13.080 So it's not that many. 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:17.160 And again, it's inexplicable to have as many socks as 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:19.960 I have since we have a functioning la washer and dryer. 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:22.080 Are you emotionally attached to them? 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:28.880 No, No, it's like good because that would be weird. 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:32.760 That would be very weird. No, there sucks. I'm not crazy, 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:37.880 but there is a weird. It's a difficult impulse to explain. 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:41.400 It's like an I might need this, or I might 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.679 wish I had this, and I don't know where it 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:45.360 comes from. 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:47.800 Again, I did not grow up in North Korea. 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:50.080 I did not fight my brother to the death for 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:53.559 a grain of the rice or one sock. 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:57.120 Yeah, I don't, I don't know. I honestly don't understand it. 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:59.320 Hey, when you match up your socks, you do what 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:02.240 I do, And if the colors are close enough, you know, 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:05.360 if they're dark blue or black, you just put them together. 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:10.360 No, I'm not, because I'm not a psychopath. That's fair. 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:13.600 No, I mean usually I do the exact same color. 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:15.640 But if they're you know they've been one's been washed 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:17.640 more than the other, one looks a little lighter than. 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:19.480 You would, one get washed more than the other. 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:21.400 Yeah, you're talking nonsense. 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:24.959 What you're doing is putting mismatch socks together and calling 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:25.600 them a match. 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:26.600 They're not. 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:29.000 All right. 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:30.720 It's like I won't call a. 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:34.520 Man a woman. I will not call a navy blue 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:36.839 sock a black sock because I'm not a liar. How 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:38.000 many bodies dissolving? 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:39.760 And how many barrels do you have in your garage 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:43.000 because that's the work of the psychopath putting mismatched socks together. 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:47.760 Boy. 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:50.679 But so, whatever the weird name is of this thing 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:52.880 you're talking about, the death cleaning or whatever, is it 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.080 basically the idea that you got to be ruthless and 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:56.600 just get rid of stuff you don't need. 0:12:57.320 --> 0:13:02.319 Hmmm, it's not ruthless exactly. They talk about. God, I 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:03.160 would love to do that. 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:06.160 It's so relaxing for me to even think about doing that, 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:08.520 like getting rid of all the stuff in my closet. 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:10.880 I never wear everything in the drawers, I don't use anymore, 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:13.439 everything in the closets that we never use. Oh, it 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:17.080 just oh, it fills me with relaxation, happy chemicals. 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:20.120 Yet I would agree, I would agree, but I do 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:22.160 do it, and it's an excuse to go buy new stuff. 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:25.840 And they suggest it's not being ruthless. It's being thoughtful 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:28.280 Before bringing something into my home. I now think about 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:30.760 it's fate. This person writes, how will I feel living 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:31.000 with it? 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:33.280 Well? Someone else ever want it? Is it worth it? 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.440 By recognizing the stories I tell about my stuff, it 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:38.160 has made it easier to let go of old things 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:41.480 or avoid buying new ones without losing a bit of myself. 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.360 I so need a shrink. Or wait a minute, No, 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:46.959 you go to a shrink. All they do is give 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:50.920 you drugs. So I so need drugs. 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:55.640 Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong and Getty show. 0:13:59.600 --> 0:13:59.640 It. 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.920 I'm strung in Giddy show featuring our podcast one More 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:03.840 Thing Downloaded. 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:06.199 Subscribe to it wherever you like to get podcasts. 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:11.880 So as a big hippie festival in middle of nowhere, Nevada. 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:14.480 I don't know that it's a hippie festival. It's a 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:20.200 festival of living outside the riggers and bounds of everyday society, 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:22.880 a chance to cut loose a little bit and relax 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:25.680 in the desert with like minded fellows in Galos. 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:30.120 None of us have been, so you haven't been, Katie, 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:30.640 I have not. 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:33.640 I wanted to go, but I've never made it, Michael, 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:35.880 If I remember correctly, you'd never been to San Diego 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.400 until fairly recently, so I don't think you've. 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:42.360 Been running man out of the question. I've been to 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:44.960 the beach, but that's about it. I must stand up seeing. 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:51.080 I don't even like most camping because as a man 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:55.160 who enjoys a cocktail before bed and buy a cocktail, well, 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:58.120 I always have to get up and p in the 0:14:58.120 --> 0:14:59.920 middle of the night, and I'm afraid of being eating 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:00.520 a bear. 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:00.800 Yeah. 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:01.840 I didn't know where you're going with that. I was 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:04.280 gonna say, you enjoy cocktails, you don't like camping. Camping 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:07.160 is always super heavy on the drinking. You start like 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:09.920 really early and go all that. That's like the whole 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:10.720 camping thing. 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:14.200 Well, right, most of my camping I needed to embrace 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:19.520 the jug, but the p jug. But most of my 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:22.240 camping experience was with my wife and kids, and that 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:24.240 just didn't seem to be a good idea. 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:26.160 Peeing and a jug. 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:30.280 Yeah, but I remain uneaten by bears. So I guess 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:31.120 it worked out all right. 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:33.840 Husband, Peede and a jug left it in my car 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:34.720 found it this weekend. 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:36.960 That was a lot of fun. Oh you guys now TMI, 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:38.640 really TM, Well, this. 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:40.520 Is a perfect place to tell this story. I got 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:44.240 two good stories around this. So one, I'm driving from Charlotte, 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:47.000 North Carolina, to Nashville to catch a concert and I 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:49.160 don't and I'm running kind of late, and I need 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.160 to pee and there's U and I don't want to 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:54.560 pull over, and so I have a Gatorade bottle and 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:56.280 I thought, you know what, I'm gonna pee in the 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:59.320 gatorade bottle while I'm driving. And what I learned is 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:03.560 the volume of urine that comes out of you is 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:05.840 a lot more than you think it is, because the 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:09.040 gatorade bottle filled up like that. And then it was 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:12.360 just he going everywhere. It was horrible, charming story. It's 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:15.080 a shame it's over. So then the other story is 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:19.600 this my poor son with his anxiety problems. He went 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:22.000 through a boy a year or two period where he 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:25.160 had to pee like every thirty seconds, Poor Lill. 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:26.240 It was horrible. 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:29.040 I'm so glad that's not the case anymore, because I 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:30.560 remember how difficult that was. 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:30.960 Horrible. 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:33.840 We had pads all around the house. He was a 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:36.440 pretty little kid. Pads all over the house could just 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:38.880 for nervousness. He'd just have to pee, and so it's 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:43.480 just anyway. So he I'd carry a bottle water bottles 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:45.120 just like you drink out of in the car, and 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:46.720 he'd pee in the water bottle all the time because 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:48.720 I can't pull over every time. He needs a pea 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:52.480 literally like every minute sometimes, so you can't go anywhere. 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:56.120 So I had a you know, I'm I'm driving to 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:59.320 work one morning, and I grabbed my water bottle and 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:00.160 take a swig, and. 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.679 No, I thought that first story was terrible, and I 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:11.360 took a big old gulp of old salty Oh, good morning. Yeah, 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:12.280 that was rough. 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:14.840 When as soon as it took me like a half 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:17.280 a second to realize, you know, you get hit with 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.119 this isn't water, Then oh, I know what it is, 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:22.280 and then just the revulsion at what it was. 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:24.960 We're all feeling it right now. 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:29.080 Got it took me a long time to stop spitting 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:31.080 and rinsing out my mouth after that. 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:35.760 The Armstrong and Getty Show, Jack, your show, podcasts, and 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:37.280 our hot lakes. 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.720 This is the Armstrong and Getty Show, featuring our podcast 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:46.160 one more thing, get it wherever you like to get podcasts. 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:48.560 By the way, Katie, I really like your t shirt. 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:54.879 Yeah, yeah, no it yeah no. So we got to 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:57.919 talking on the radio show about the the editing of 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:01.040 photos just in general, because cause so many people do 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:03.040 it and it's so effortless. Now I don't have the 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:06.640 Google phone, but I was just reading so the Wall 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:08.919 Street Journal had an article, when is it okay to 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:09.919 alter the family photo? 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:13.320 Who doesn't alter big family photos? 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:17.199 And if you didn't before the but I mean, like 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:18.639 back in the old days when you'd go get a 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:21.240 professional photo done and everything like that, they were altering 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:22.119 them for you. 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:26.240 They were all brightening them up or list them or whatever. 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:29.880 And s every every group photo I take, I make 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:32.680 sure everybody looks top notched because I don't want to 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:33.480 hear it afterwards. 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:34.920 Oh yeah, why did. 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:37.120 You post that one? I look bad in that one? 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:40.879 Oh no, I went through. I made my best effort 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:41.320 to make all. 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:41.960 Of you look good. 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:47.359 So doing what For instance, sometimes someone's eyes will be closed, 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:50.919 you can open them. Somebody's not smiling when they usually would, 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:52.280 you can give them a smile. 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:56.520 What app or phone are you using to do that? 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:58.919 Face tune? Face tune? Yeah? 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:01.480 So the Google picks thing. You've probably seen the ads. 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:04.160 It looks fantastic. But they've got a thing called best take, 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:08.600 where you do a blast of photos and then you 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:11.440 can pick each individual face. This is the best one 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:13.080 from this one. This is the best one in you know, 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:16.119 in a group photo. That's which sounds like was more 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:19.520 or less what they did there at Kensington. 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:20.439