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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: April first, two thousand and twenty, Season sixteen, Episode number three.
Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of The break We are live
Speaker 1: from multiple locations, all at our homes, uh and safely
Speaker 1: at our homes. But we got an hour to talk
Speaker 1: to you guys about some Cowboys ball. Here on the
Speaker 1: break Out my guy Nick, Amber Dave, and we're ready
Speaker 1: to go. What do you guys, How are you guys
Speaker 1: feeling today? Awesome? Derek feeling real good man, Thanks for
Speaker 1: having me. That sounded really enthusiastic. Yeah, that sounded really enthusiastic. Nick.
Speaker 1: After the long pause, we got a lot to talk
Speaker 1: about today. There have been a couple of signings since
Speaker 1: our last show, and we have some other some other
Speaker 1: things are gonna get into. We'll talk a little about
Speaker 1: the running back position today. Actually, we're gonna start a
Speaker 1: Position series where each day each show, we're gonna go
Speaker 1: through a particular position and talk about where the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are coming out of last season heading into this next season.
Speaker 1: Understanding there are going to be free agency and h
Speaker 1: and draft moves that will be made, but just talking
Speaker 1: about where the Cowboys are at this point. So let's
Speaker 1: dive right in, starting first with the signing of kicker
Speaker 1: Greg Zeroline. He signs a three year, three point five
Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed deal. I'll ask you guys the question
Speaker 1: just simply, do you think this was a good move
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. Yeah, I mean I think that you
Speaker 1: talk about the kicker position, we didn't we have a
Speaker 1: lot of certainty there for the last three or four years,
Speaker 1: I think, so maybe the last couple of years. But
Speaker 1: Zeroline is a guy that that you know, obviously they
Speaker 1: call him Greg the Leg for a reason, and he
Speaker 1: can kick it, you know, sixty yarders or so. But
Speaker 1: we saw last year that that doesn't that's you need
Speaker 1: more than that. So I think it's a good move.
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm kind of always hesitant about veteran
Speaker 1: kickers because I think you're a great kicker until you're not.
Speaker 1: And then, and I've seen it firsthand, so I hope
Speaker 1: that he still you know, has some left in the
Speaker 1: tank there and he can make the intermediate kicks. I
Speaker 1: think it's the biggest thing for him. I honestly, I
Speaker 1: think Derek, you actually I believe you asked this, like
Speaker 1: one of the more recent shows we did. You're like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, is resigning Kai for Bath enough? And everybody
Speaker 1: said no, Like everybody in some type of competition, they
Speaker 1: wanted another kicker. I was thinking, you know, undrafted free
Speaker 1: agents probably, but I'm more than happy to have a
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl or who's familiar with John Fassil or Fossil
Speaker 1: on the stator on the roster. He did dip last year.
Speaker 1: He was also dealing with a foot injury. You know,
Speaker 1: we saw it firsthand. Nick's right, like, when you lose it,
Speaker 1: you lose it. But Dan Bailey also went on to
Speaker 1: rediscover his form in Minnesota, So I'm highly optimistic this
Speaker 1: guy can still kick at a high level. I'm happy
Speaker 1: to have him. You know, I was afraid that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys were gonna try to bring in a kicker that
Speaker 1: didn't have much experience somewhat, you know, they like to
Speaker 1: bring in those guys that no one really knows much about.
Speaker 1: But I'm excited that they decided to sign this guy
Speaker 1: and someone that's proven, that has that veteran experience, and
Speaker 1: to go against Kai for Bath, which was a guy
Speaker 1: that me personally I liked what he did last year.
Speaker 1: I was excited. I don't think it was enough. We
Speaker 1: didn't get to see so much of it, but the
Speaker 1: time that he did get he clearly made the best
Speaker 1: out of it. He didn't miss a single kick. So
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see this competition. We'll see what happens there,
Speaker 1: but two good guys. I was surprised though, that they
Speaker 1: went in for a veteran guy like this. You know, yes,
Speaker 1: then they do have fifty five players now on the roster.
Speaker 1: They expanded it two spots. Now, does that mean two kickers?
Speaker 1: Probably not, but it wouldn't surprise me if there's some
Speaker 1: team in the league that does. At some point in
Speaker 1: the year, we'll have a couple of kickers on the
Speaker 1: roster for injury purposes or whatever. So you know, it's
Speaker 1: only two spots, but I bet it comes in handy
Speaker 1: at times like this, and maybe you know who knows,
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe the Cowboys will have two kickers. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's gonna happen. But just don't forget about
Speaker 1: the fifty five players on the roster. Yeah, I'll mention
Speaker 1: one other thing, Dave you you kind of brought up
Speaker 1: Jim Fossil. I think the interesting thing there is knowing
Speaker 1: that he was his coach last year and the fact
Speaker 1: that he had the foot injury suggests to me that
Speaker 1: at least Fossil thinks that that was the reason for
Speaker 1: the dip last year. You look at his numbers the
Speaker 1: last several years and it actually you go back to
Speaker 1: two years ago, he was kicking at ninety five percent.
Speaker 1: He was That was a year he went to the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. I mean, he had a really, really great
Speaker 1: year back two years ago. And so I actually am
Speaker 1: willing to give the benefit of the doubt there because
Speaker 1: I think his coach probably vouched for him here and said, yeah,
Speaker 1: there was an injury concern, he played through it, he
Speaker 1: didn't kick as well. I feel like, if he's healthy,
Speaker 1: he's a really good kicker, and for me, I give
Speaker 1: him that benefit of the doubt. Are you guys willing
Speaker 1: to give that benefit of the doubt as well? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. You're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: Like his dip, his dip last year is startling compared
Speaker 1: to the consistency of the rest of his career, and
Speaker 1: you find out that he played through an injury, it
Speaker 1: makes sense. What else do we know, Like NFL coach
Speaker 1: love their guys, like Rod Marinelli's signing every former cowboy
Speaker 1: in the world out in Las Vegas. John Fossil gets
Speaker 1: to bring in the kicker that he's familiar with for
Speaker 1: the last eight years. I absolutely and William to give
Speaker 1: him the benefit of the doubt. But the great thing
Speaker 1: about the kicker position is it's very easy to tell
Speaker 1: how well you're doing your job. And so you know,
Speaker 1: he got I think he got three million or two
Speaker 1: and a half million and guarantees, which is a lot
Speaker 1: to give a kicker. But at the same time, you're
Speaker 1: not going to keep a guy that's not making kicks.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's very easy to determine how well
Speaker 1: a kicker is doing his job. So he can have
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt for the time being, but
Speaker 1: training camp and preseason will ultimately determine that. You know,
Speaker 1: people always say people always talk about the coaches and
Speaker 1: how they know their guys, and I think this is
Speaker 1: one of those cases. But don't forget that John Fossil
Speaker 1: also drafted and cut Tavon Austin, who is sitting out
Speaker 1: there in free agency, and you know he could they
Speaker 1: need a punt returner and he knows Tavon Austin and
Speaker 1: they're not signing Tavon Austin. So sometimes familiarity can help
Speaker 1: a player and herd a player too. Yeah, do you
Speaker 1: guys think this is going to be a competition or
Speaker 1: do you think they go into training camp with just Zerline?
Speaker 1: Obviously Zerolin's contract is the one that's a little bit
Speaker 1: meatier than than four Bath. He only had a one
Speaker 1: year deal. Do you think they take him both to camp?
Speaker 1: Though I would have to assume they do. Kai four
Speaker 1: Bath he only got one hundred and thirty thousand and guarantees, Like,
Speaker 1: it's not this crazy contract you need. I mean you
Speaker 1: need multiple kickers in training camp anyway, And again like
Speaker 1: why not just let him kick? And if Zerline is
Speaker 1: not good, it's not enough money that you would keep
Speaker 1: him if he's not good, I don't know why you
Speaker 1: wouldn't bring him both to camp? They actually have three
Speaker 1: kickers on the roster right now. So this Guyana, Tristan Biscayana,
Speaker 1: I think I don't know. Oh that's right, I forgot
Speaker 1: about him. I mean, and you can dismiss him, but like,
Speaker 1: if he's punted at all, then he's the guy that
Speaker 1: they want to take a camp so they can you know,
Speaker 1: he could do some kickoff, do some punts. You know.
Speaker 1: That's the third kicker punter that they always typically take
Speaker 1: to camp. So I don't I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: care how much experience someone has at this point at
Speaker 1: the kicking position. At the kicker position, I expect all
Speaker 1: of these guys, well, these two main guys, though the
Speaker 1: other guy, the third guy that Nick mentioned, I really
Speaker 1: have forgotten about him, honestly. But these two main guys,
Speaker 1: I expect them to go out to the preseason games
Speaker 1: and have them both kicking at different times of the
Speaker 1: games and none of that like, oh, this guy has
Speaker 1: more experience, we need to kind of preserve him more,
Speaker 1: none of that crap. I want both of them out.
Speaker 1: They're kicking as much as possible and hopefully picking out
Speaker 1: the right guy. I don't know, I just now I'm
Speaker 1: just hesitating. I'm tired of getting kind of excited about
Speaker 1: these kickers and then they always come up with some crap.
Speaker 1: Ever since then Bailey left, then Bailey broke my heart,
Speaker 1: and then since then, I just I can't be at
Speaker 1: peace with the kick in positions. So you got to
Speaker 1: watch the most accurate kicker in NFL history for three years,
Speaker 1: and now you just can't settle for anything else. Absolutely not. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's it's really hard to be excited about a kicker
Speaker 1: just because the only time you think about a kicker
Speaker 1: really is when they're not doing their job. If they're
Speaker 1: doing their job, you just kind of take it for
Speaker 1: granted after a while, right, That's I guess that's kind
Speaker 1: of my point is like ag started following the Cowboys
Speaker 1: at like the height of their kicking ability, and like,
Speaker 1: I hate, I hate to be a downer Amber, but
Speaker 1: it's probably never gonna be that good again. It's just
Speaker 1: it just is what it is. You're about to say something, Nick,
Speaker 1: where you gonna throwing Well, just the fact that I mean, Derek,
Speaker 1: you remember, I mean we sat here and we were
Speaker 1: excited that Cowboys signed the great most accurate kicker of
Speaker 1: all time. He was the leader in accuracy Mike Vanderjack
Speaker 1: and he was terrible with the Cowboys. I mean, he
Speaker 1: didn't even make it through the season. Parcels had to
Speaker 1: cut him and was so bad. And so he was
Speaker 1: the most accurate kicker of all time. I think Dan
Speaker 1: Bailey at one time was as well. That's why I'm
Speaker 1: just kind of hesitant, because you know, I remember there's
Speaker 1: time for David Akers was never gonna miss for the Eagles,
Speaker 1: or that guy Read was never gonna miss for the Steelers,
Speaker 1: and then they do and then they fall off, you know.
Speaker 1: But like Dave said, Bailey did kind of come back.
Speaker 1: Vinitarians come back, and you know, and maybe Zerline will
Speaker 1: do the same. And I don't think he's had a
Speaker 1: huge drop off by the way too. I mean it's
Speaker 1: you know, he's not he wasn't as automatic as he was.
Speaker 1: But I think this is gonna be a good move
Speaker 1: for him. Yeah, he was last year. I think he
Speaker 1: was second worse than the NFL, behind Maha, of course,
Speaker 1: I mean ahead of mahar But if you look at
Speaker 1: the last two years before that, he kicked at eighty
Speaker 1: seven percent in two eighteen, ninety five percent in two
Speaker 1: thousand and seventeen eighty six percent in two thousand and sixteen.
Speaker 1: So you look at his record like he's been a
Speaker 1: pretty good kicker throughout most of his career. He's had
Speaker 1: a couple down seasons. He had another season where he's
Speaker 1: right at ninety three percent. So again I think that
Speaker 1: you know, for a kicker again, you're gonna have your
Speaker 1: ups and downs. And one thing we know about kickers,
Speaker 1: there are ebbs and flows. There are only a few
Speaker 1: really great ones that are always consistently great. Most of
Speaker 1: them kind of have their ebbs and flows, and you
Speaker 1: hope you catch them on on an upswing and keep
Speaker 1: them for as long as they're on an up swing,
Speaker 1: and then whenever they take that down swing, then you
Speaker 1: may have to move on to someone else. All right,
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and talk a little bit about don
Speaker 1: Terry Poems deal him about time not you Derren Fount,
Speaker 1: time that they got the damn thing right, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean negociating with this guy for six freaking days right
Speaker 1: last week We actually mentioned it on the show because
Speaker 1: at that time they were having conversations. But if the
Speaker 1: deal's finally done, do you guys know the terms at
Speaker 1: this point? What was the deal, how much they pay
Speaker 1: him end up paying him, and for how long. I
Speaker 1: believe it was two years, ten and a half mil so, right,
Speaker 1: I mean right now? A bad deal? No, it's it's
Speaker 1: right around their sweet spot for deals they like to do,
Speaker 1: like right around the five or six per year range.
Speaker 1: It's not as many years as Gerald McCoy got, but
Speaker 1: it's a similar salary. So, I mean, you know, very
Speaker 1: typical Cowboys signing, a little not quite scrape in the
Speaker 1: bottom of the barrel, but definitely bargain hunting. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: we talked last week about how much of a value
Speaker 1: a guy like that can bring to a defensive line,
Speaker 1: especially one that had some issues stopping the run last year.
Speaker 1: He's a big guy, I think six three, three hundred
Speaker 1: forty pounds big guy. But with the signing of Poe
Speaker 1: and the signing of McCoy together, do you think that
Speaker 1: changes how the Cowboys look at the draft when it
Speaker 1: comes to the defensive tackle position. Well, I think it
Speaker 1: just changed. It just shows that they change what kind
Speaker 1: of tackle that they're valuing. They you know, the guy
Speaker 1: that's a little bit under size that can play inside
Speaker 1: is not what they're looking for right now. So I
Speaker 1: don't think it would change what they do in the
Speaker 1: draft if there's somebody there that fits that mold. But
Speaker 1: because you remember Poe and McCoy, you know they're at
Speaker 1: the downside of their career. You know this, they're just
Speaker 1: trying to get a little bit of resurgence there. But
Speaker 1: I don't think it changes what they're gonna do if
Speaker 1: there's if there's somebody that fits, I just I don't
Speaker 1: think that there's a strong priority to now go into
Speaker 1: and make sure that you get a defensive tackle. But
Speaker 1: if like kin Law or somebody is sitting there, I
Speaker 1: don't know why you would pass on him just because
Speaker 1: you've signed these two veterans. I'm really I'm curious about this.
Speaker 1: I think they're good signings, McCoy and and Poe both.
Speaker 1: It fits what McCarthy said they wanted to do. They
Speaker 1: can be a little multiple, you can do four three
Speaker 1: and three four stuff with them. I feel good about it.
Speaker 1: But it's the narrative that's going around, and it's totally fair.
Speaker 1: The Carolina Panthers, I believe we're fourth worst in the
Speaker 1: league in rush defense last year, and that was with
Speaker 1: Luke Keakley and Shack Thompson playing linebacker, so like, these
Speaker 1: aren't Scrubs playing linebacker behind him. And it is curious
Speaker 1: to me that they were so bad against the run
Speaker 1: with these two guys. Um, I haven't gone back and watched.
Speaker 1: I will slash should I want to go get a
Speaker 1: better feel for how these guys played. But that is curious,
Speaker 1: um that that they weren't better. Um. I do like
Speaker 1: these signings, but in line with that, it wouldn't stop
Speaker 1: me from doing anything in the draft. Um, Well, they're
Speaker 1: primarily playing, primarily playing a four man front. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you even know that at this point or front.
Speaker 1: They played way more four than three, Like McCoy did
Speaker 1: play some three four end and Poe played some nose tackle,
Speaker 1: but it was a four man front way more often
Speaker 1: than a three man front. Um, So I don't think
Speaker 1: it should stop him. I never really believe that they
Speaker 1: would take a d tackle seventeenth anyway, just because I
Speaker 1: think Derek Brown and Javon ken Law will be long
Speaker 1: gone by then. Um, but there's there, there's value to
Speaker 1: be had there. Ross Blacklock out of TCU is a
Speaker 1: name that comes to mind. Jordan Elliott out of Missouri,
Speaker 1: justin Matt a week from Texas A and m is
Speaker 1: a guy that they've been linked to. Any of those
Speaker 1: guys second third round, it wouldn't stop me from doing
Speaker 1: anything because I don't think this is like a long term,
Speaker 1: you know, fixer upper situation. I think they still need
Speaker 1: to look at that position in the draft. What do
Speaker 1: you guys, Whatever they do, I was gonna say, whatever
Speaker 1: they do with this draft, whatever position they decide to
Speaker 1: go with, they just need to get someone that is
Speaker 1: able to contribute right away. In my opinion, last year's
Speaker 1: draft to me is honestly quite forgettable except for Tony Pollard.
Speaker 1: I have to really think, like sit down and think, Okay,
Speaker 1: who were the guys that they drafted last year? And
Speaker 1: then out of that the only one that always comes
Speaker 1: to mind is Tony Pollard. But whoever they go with,
Speaker 1: I just hope that it's someone that really can start
Speaker 1: contributing this year rather than sitting around for a whole
Speaker 1: year and starting to, you know, thinking about the future
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. None of that crap. Okay. So
Speaker 1: with that being said, do you guys think that based
Speaker 1: on anything you saw from Tristan Hill, whether that was
Speaker 1: what you saw in training, camp in during the season.
Speaker 1: Was there any moment or any particular spark that you
Speaker 1: saw from him that suggests that this year he could
Speaker 1: be better, especially if he has these veteran guys that
Speaker 1: maybe they can help him out a little bit and
Speaker 1: get in there. Do you see anything as far as
Speaker 1: what you expect from him this year going into the season.
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing for him was the hiring
Speaker 1: of Jim Tomsula. I mean, he is just a veteran
Speaker 1: defensive line coach that he has worked with a lot
Speaker 1: of players and made them better. And that's I think
Speaker 1: the best thing that can happen for Tristan Hill. And
Speaker 1: that's nothing against Rod Marinelli. I mean, it's just that
Speaker 1: the fact that he can have some different coaching in here.
Speaker 1: But you know, he's gonna have to be coachable. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he wasn't, but he had some
Speaker 1: maturity issues that he needed to deal with and I
Speaker 1: and you know, most players make a big league from
Speaker 1: one to two, whether it be their body, whether it
Speaker 1: be their mind, experience, whatever, he's got to he's got
Speaker 1: to be able to do that. I mean, they drafted
Speaker 1: him to be a you know, a contributor, and they
Speaker 1: went and signed Michael Bennett because he couldn't get on
Speaker 1: the field, so they have to he has to kind
Speaker 1: of want it to make that that stuff. Hopefully he will. Hopefully,
Speaker 1: hopefully Gerald McCoy will be part of that too, because
Speaker 1: I mean, in addition to being a great player over
Speaker 1: the last decade, you know, he's he's achieved really noteworthy
Speaker 1: status for what a high character leader type of guy
Speaker 1: he is. He did an interview a few days ago
Speaker 1: with one of the serious NFL shows about, you know,
Speaker 1: talking about how you know he's going to be a
Speaker 1: leader on this team and they're looking toward veteran leadership.
Speaker 1: That's not to say Don Tory Poe couldn't be that guy,
Speaker 1: but I just don't know his much About Don Taripoe,
Speaker 1: I do know Gerald McCoy is pretty famous for having
Speaker 1: high football and off field character. So that seems like
Speaker 1: a guy that could have a positive impact on Tristan
Speaker 1: Hill for sure. All right, let's go ahead and take
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Speaker 1: jump back into this thing, guys. Let's talk about the
Speaker 1: running back and fullback position. To day, we're gonna start
Speaker 1: up our player our position series. We're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: a different position every day. Running back and fullback is
Speaker 1: where we'll kick it off. This is probably one of
Speaker 1: the easiest positions to talk about because you have a
Speaker 1: starter in Zeke Elliott who's gonna be here for a
Speaker 1: presumably long time after signing his new deal last year.
Speaker 1: You got Tony Pollard who looked the part of a
Speaker 1: break back up last year from the draft class. And
Speaker 1: then where it gets a little bit shaky, as the
Speaker 1: fullback position, whether it's a matter of how much they
Speaker 1: use him or matter of what his particular skills are.
Speaker 1: But Jamazel the walle they did pick up his one
Speaker 1: year option. So let's start first by you guys, give
Speaker 1: me your idea of what do you think from the
Speaker 1: standpoint if you have to pinpoint one thing is the
Speaker 1: most positive thing about the running back fullback position in
Speaker 1: the twenty nineteenth season. What would it be. Let's start
Speaker 1: with you, Dave. For me, it would probably be just
Speaker 1: that I really thought Zeke rounded into his best form
Speaker 1: over the last like six weeks of the season. Let
Speaker 1: me see if I can get his stats in front
Speaker 1: of me while I say it. But you know, I
Speaker 1: remember last September, last October, we talked about it on
Speaker 1: the show. We fielded questions about it. Has Zeke lost
Speaker 1: a step as he had a shape and for a
Speaker 1: while it really looked true like you didn't see long runs,
Speaker 1: you didn't see game changing plays. You know, I think
Speaker 1: he went like a month without having a run of
Speaker 1: longer than twelve yards. But I really felt like that
Speaker 1: changed around Thanksgiving and yeah, I'm looking at it right now.
Speaker 1: You know, he has seventy one yards and along of
Speaker 1: thirty against the Bulls eighty yards, two touchdowns and along
Speaker 1: of thirty one against the Bears. I know it was
Speaker 1: a BS game, but he had a really nice day
Speaker 1: in the season finale against Washington. He just looked like
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen twenty seventeen. Zeke a lot more. Obviously didn't
Speaker 1: have a training camp in twenty nineteen because the contract
Speaker 1: hold out. I think he spent a lot of the season,
Speaker 1: you know, overcoming that, and I'm encouraged that with his
Speaker 1: contract situation taken care of, he can be that back
Speaker 1: more often moving forward. Amber Honestly, I'm feeling pretty good
Speaker 1: about the running back position, not just with Zeke, but
Speaker 1: also with what we got to see from Tony Pollard.
Speaker 1: You know, he despite him being a rookie, I think
Speaker 1: he took great advantage of the opportunities that was given
Speaker 1: to him and he made the most out of it.
Speaker 1: He has shown to have the ability that you need,
Speaker 1: not just in a backup, like he could be that
Speaker 1: guy that could step in in case something was to
Speaker 1: happen to Ezekiel Elliot. He's a guy that you know,
Speaker 1: you don't get to me a huge well, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say a huge drop off because obviously ze Zek
Speaker 1: and he can only do what he does. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, it's not like one of these other
Speaker 1: backs that we've had in the past where there was
Speaker 1: a huge drop off between those two. So the combination
Speaker 1: of the two guys not just him being a guy
Speaker 1: that can give Zeke some rest off the field, but
Speaker 1: also a guy that can be on the field at
Speaker 1: the same time. I'm excited to see what kind of
Speaker 1: place they can build for these two guys to maybe
Speaker 1: have them both on the field at the same time.
Speaker 1: I think that would be really good for the offense.
Speaker 1: So I'm excited about that. Nick, I think they said
Speaker 1: it best. I mean, you've got a capable backup in
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard, who can you know, jump in there if
Speaker 1: you needed. I think he's going to make a big
Speaker 1: jump in his second year transition. And then of course
Speaker 1: Zeke is still one of the best running backs, if
Speaker 1: not the best, in the NFL. And you know, we're
Speaker 1: seeing that two or three years ago there was a
Speaker 1: debate on maybe who was the best, and there was
Speaker 1: three guys, and two of those guys are on different
Speaker 1: teams now, so um, you know, I think that it
Speaker 1: just goes to show that it's hard to stay at
Speaker 1: the top of the mountain when you're talking about good
Speaker 1: running backs great running backs, and I think Zeke is
Speaker 1: going to do so this year, especially with if if
Speaker 1: he can have you know, a full off season or
Speaker 1: training camp, and who knows what that's going to be like,
Speaker 1: but um, you know, if he can you know, get
Speaker 1: into training camp and get ready for the season, I
Speaker 1: think he's going to be even better this year. All right,
Speaker 1: So what would you guys say is the biggest area
Speaker 1: of concern or a place where you see it or
Speaker 1: you have a desire for change when it comes to
Speaker 1: the running back position. I'm interested to see about the
Speaker 1: fullback spot, just to see what happens there. Um with
Speaker 1: you know, with Mike McCarthy's offenses and win Green Bay,
Speaker 1: we saw a lot of fullbacks play there and not
Speaker 1: not like the finesse fullback like old A Wally, but
Speaker 1: more of a smashed mouth blocker guy. So, um, I
Speaker 1: don't know if Olda Wally can do that, and that's
Speaker 1: the kind of offense that they're going to have. But
Speaker 1: I'm anxious to see what happens with the fullback spot
Speaker 1: because I do think you'll see a little bit more
Speaker 1: traditional run blocking there. That's why Jason Witten I don't
Speaker 1: think was as needed, just that complete tight end type blocker,
Speaker 1: even though he had dropped off as a blocker for sure,
Speaker 1: But I don't think that that's what they wanted from
Speaker 1: the tight end position, Like they've always had the way
Speaker 1: in the nose type of guy. They don't want that from.
Speaker 1: They wanted more from the fullback. So I'm anxious to
Speaker 1: see if they're going to actually get a fullback type
Speaker 1: or use Ola Walley that way, Yamber, you know, with
Speaker 1: the tight end position still being kind of in question
Speaker 1: right now. As to me, I don't really know what
Speaker 1: to expect out of that. As far as productivity, I
Speaker 1: think I would like the Cowboys to start using the
Speaker 1: running backs more in the in the passing game, just
Speaker 1: having more plays. They've both shown the capability of being
Speaker 1: able to catch the ball and run with it, so
Speaker 1: I would like to see them just incorporate that a
Speaker 1: little more with these running backs. Dave. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know how you could see Todd Gurley get cut
Speaker 1: and shipped off to Atlanta and not be concerned about
Speaker 1: the long term. When you talk about zeke I mean,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys gave him an absurdly long deal by any
Speaker 1: NFL standard, even crazier when you consider that it's running back,
Speaker 1: the position that gets bashed on every single down. So
Speaker 1: the Cowboys need three healthy seasons out of Zeke before
Speaker 1: they could potentially move on and not have it hurt him.
Speaker 1: I think they can get that. Like Zeke is remarkably durable.
Speaker 1: I'm not super duper worried about it in the long term,
Speaker 1: but if something were to go wrong in one of
Speaker 1: the next three seasons, that's not great, and you know
Speaker 1: that's how you wind up in salary cap troubles. So
Speaker 1: just watching what's happened with running back over the last
Speaker 1: twelve months around the league, it's definitely concerning. But I
Speaker 1: think Zeke is more of the exception than the rule.
Speaker 1: But isn't that kind of why they got Tony? It is,
Speaker 1: Oh no, and I have all the faith. I really
Speaker 1: love Tony Poller. I think he's a capable backup. I'm
Speaker 1: excited to see what he can do. But if Zeke
Speaker 1: is unable to play over the next three seasons at
Speaker 1: you know, at the money that he's making full capacity, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're just you're going to be in trouble when it
Speaker 1: comes to managing your roster, like it's going to hurt
Speaker 1: your ability to feel a competent team. So I just
Speaker 1: need Zeke to be healthy until like twenty twenty two
Speaker 1: or three, which I think, like I said, I think
Speaker 1: he can do that. Well, this question is Dave, You've
Speaker 1: already said it, But for Nick and Hamber, how concerned
Speaker 1: are you after seeing what happened with Todd Gurley? How
Speaker 1: concerned are you that the Cowboys have a long term
Speaker 1: deal with a second contract, long term deal with a
Speaker 1: running back. I think that you have to see warning signs,
Speaker 1: and you saw it with Gurley had warning signs when
Speaker 1: he was drafted. You know, he was already had been
Speaker 1: injured and he was dynamic, but he has injury prone
Speaker 1: and he stayed that way as well. With leban Bell,
Speaker 1: you know, he showed you that the contract was going
Speaker 1: to be an issue there and then and then it
Speaker 1: was and he set out and they ended up getting
Speaker 1: rid of him. So um, I just feel like that
Speaker 1: we haven't seen those warning signs yet from Zeke. He's
Speaker 1: got the contract, he's he's one of the highest you know,
Speaker 1: paid offensive players in football. I mean or for a
Speaker 1: skill player and so, and he hasn't really missed any
Speaker 1: games so that the Cowboys you know, on his own.
Speaker 1: So I just feel like he's he's probably you know,
Speaker 1: going to play those three or four years like that,
Speaker 1: and if he could play at a high level, I
Speaker 1: mean that's even better. But he hasn't shown those warning
Speaker 1: signs yet. Yeah, That's what I was about to say too,
Speaker 1: is like he hasn't had any injury through this time.
Speaker 1: The only time that we saw him kind of slowing
Speaker 1: down or like limping a little bit was in twenty
Speaker 1: eighteen when the Cowboys were just giving everything to him,
Speaker 1: and poor guy, they exhausted him. So last year with
Speaker 1: the drafting of Tony Potler and using him in the game,
Speaker 1: I've feel like they were able to balance that out
Speaker 1: a little bit better where Zeke wasn't just being fully
Speaker 1: exhausted by every single play. But as far as injury
Speaker 1: and longevity, I think as of right now, he seems
Speaker 1: like the guy I can definitely endure several years more
Speaker 1: without having to lower his productivity on the field. I
Speaker 1: think part of that too. You gotta remember, like you
Speaker 1: talk about second contracts, and I mean, Gurley is right
Speaker 1: there to compare to and I get that. But to
Speaker 1: Nick's point, he had a degenerative knee issue coming out
Speaker 1: of college, like injuries who were a problem with him
Speaker 1: at Georgia. But when you talk about giving a running
Speaker 1: back a second contract, you're usually talking about twenty six
Speaker 1: twenty seven year old players, and Zeke is not even
Speaker 1: twenty five yet he was remarkably young when he came
Speaker 1: into the league. So I set this on Twitter recently,
Speaker 1: is like, I understand the concern about paying running backs
Speaker 1: in general. I don't think it's a great idea, but
Speaker 1: if you're gonna pay one, Zeke is about as perfect
Speaker 1: a case as there is, and so I get people's
Speaker 1: concerns with it, But in this particular instance, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: It doesn't bother me a whole lot, all right. In
Speaker 1: most instances, when we're doing these these position analysis, we're
Speaker 1: gonna end it with the question of what is the
Speaker 1: biggest reason for optimism with this group? I think I
Speaker 1: can answer that for all of us, that the reason
Speaker 1: that you're optimistic about this group is because you've got Zeke, Elliott,
Speaker 1: and Tony Pollard. There really isn't much else you have
Speaker 1: to say about it. You feel pretty good about where
Speaker 1: those guys are. Anybody disagree with that? Nope? No, all right, good,
Speaker 1: let's go to break. We're gonna take our second and
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the final segment of the Break. We
Speaker 1: are live. We're not at the s WBC mortgage studios.
Speaker 1: We are at our own individual homes doing shows as
Speaker 1: most people are doing right now, and trying to give
Speaker 1: you guys a little bit of fun here while you're
Speaker 1: working from home. Amber's got a game for us. Amber,
Speaker 1: what do you have? Well, basically the same thing as
Speaker 1: last week, with the exception that we will not make
Speaker 1: it confusing. We're gonna write our answers on the piece
Speaker 1: of papers, show it, and then we'll address the answers
Speaker 1: as needed. Okay, so let's just keep it simple and
Speaker 1: have fun with it. First question, will the Cowboys miss
Speaker 1: Jason Witten on the field? M do we have to
Speaker 1: write this down? Sorry? I know we just said we
Speaker 1: weren't going to confuse it. No, you don't need to.
Speaker 1: I think we can answer this when just outright I
Speaker 1: would say no, and that is I think they may
Speaker 1: miss miss him off the field. I think they him
Speaker 1: and missus leadership. I think it may be a little
Speaker 1: weird if they should happen to match up in well
Speaker 1: in the preseason doesn't really matter, but it would have
Speaker 1: to be in the playoffs. But if they should happen
Speaker 1: to match up with the Raiders, I think it may
Speaker 1: feel a little weird to Cowboys fans and maybe even
Speaker 1: to his former teammates. But I think just from a
Speaker 1: standpoint of the play, honestly, I think that last year
Speaker 1: what we saw from Jason was a couple of really
Speaker 1: really nice plays. I think about that touchdown player, that
Speaker 1: play that was kind of back shoulder phenomenal played by him.
Speaker 1: But by and large, I think his play was average,
Speaker 1: if you want to be honest about it. And so
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think they're necessarily going to
Speaker 1: miss him on the field. I think there will be
Speaker 1: other guys that should be able to step up. I
Speaker 1: love the signing of Blake Bell. From the standpoint of
Speaker 1: a blocking tight end, I think they're going to get
Speaker 1: more from him than they've probably gotten as a block.
Speaker 1: As a blocker from any tight end, they've had over
Speaker 1: the last several years, so I don't think they'll necessarily
Speaker 1: miss him. I think there are ways to answer everything
Speaker 1: that he would have done for them this year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they'll miss him. You just said he was average,
Speaker 1: and they don't have an average tight ends right now
Speaker 1: on the roster, or they don't have anything above average
Speaker 1: on the roster. So until I see somebody above average
Speaker 1: on the roster, then I would say that, yeah, they
Speaker 1: will miss him. From a standpoint of one to three
Speaker 1: on the tight ends, that the three tight ends that
Speaker 1: will roll out there, I don't think they're better right now.
Speaker 1: But you know, maybe they draft someone. Maybe maybe those
Speaker 1: guys will show that they that they are. But as
Speaker 1: of right now, I don't think that the three tight
Speaker 1: ends that they have or are better than the three
Speaker 1: tight ends they had last year. You want to break
Speaker 1: the tie, Yeah, I don't. I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm with Derek, I don't. I don't think they'll really
Speaker 1: miss him that much. I can't say that Blake Jarwin
Speaker 1: is definitively better than Jason Witten right now, but I
Speaker 1: will gladly roll the dice on the upside because you
Speaker 1: talk about athleticism, downfield, playmaking ability, run after catch. You know,
Speaker 1: we talked about this, you know last time when when
Speaker 1: we were talking about them resigning him. He has the
Speaker 1: potential to grow into a playmaker. And you know, Jason
Speaker 1: Witten's going to the Hall of Fame. He was a
Speaker 1: great player. But he's not going to get better than
Speaker 1: what we saw, Like he's only going to continue to
Speaker 1: decline as he gets older. I'll gladly roll with the upside.
Speaker 1: I think they'll be just fine. All right, all right,
Speaker 1: next question, which team or player do you hate playing
Speaker 1: against the most? Any player or team that you hate
Speaker 1: seeing the Cowboys playing against the most? I mean, how
Speaker 1: could it not be Aaron Rodgers? Right, No, I'm serious.
Speaker 1: I mean he just with the with the lone exception
Speaker 1: of the twenty sixteen regular season, he just breaks their
Speaker 1: heart every freaking time they play. And he doesn't even
Speaker 1: he doesn't even always have to have a great game,
Speaker 1: like in twenty fifteen it was James Starks and Eddie
Speaker 1: Lacey just ran all over him. But like Rogers record
Speaker 1: against the Cowboys is ridiculous, and you throw in two
Speaker 1: playoff losses and that's all she wrote. He's the current
Speaker 1: version of Randy Moss even though yeah, the Cowboys, well yeah,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys did have two chances to draft him actually
Speaker 1: and didn't, So I don't I don't know if they
Speaker 1: you know, he ever you know used that against them,
Speaker 1: But yeah, the Cowboys could have drafted him, I guess
Speaker 1: in two thousand and five. But Randy Moss uh never
Speaker 1: lost to the Cowboys, and Aaron Rodgers is only, like
Speaker 1: Day said, only lost the one game, maybe two games.
Speaker 1: But I think I think he's seven and two. I
Speaker 1: think it's or eight and two. It's definitely a lot
Speaker 1: too a little right, I'll say this, I'll throw in
Speaker 1: this one. I think Aaron Rodgers is definitely the answer.
Speaker 1: But if I had to have a second choice, it
Speaker 1: would be the Saints in New Orleans. Like, I absolutely
Speaker 1: hate going to New Orleans to play the Saints. That's
Speaker 1: that seems like it's never fun, Like it's just there
Speaker 1: have been a couple of games that the Cowboys come
Speaker 1: out victorious, but I just I hate I hate going
Speaker 1: to that place to play just because it's just bad things.
Speaker 1: When you start hearing that song that they play, you
Speaker 1: know it's not going good for your team. So I
Speaker 1: just I'm out on the on the New Orleans trip
Speaker 1: took place. You know, they're actually gonna play at a
Speaker 1: place this year that they've never won in Baltimore. I mean,
Speaker 1: there hasn't been a lot of games there. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that's a good team too. Yeah, yeah, they have not Yeah,
Speaker 1: they have not won there at that stadium. So I
Speaker 1: believe owen three. Um, so that'll be that'll be one
Speaker 1: of the road trips this year on the AFC. I
Speaker 1: guess Cincinnati being the other one, which you know, that'll
Speaker 1: be interesting too if they if they you know, have
Speaker 1: the number one pick with Joe Burrow. I hear he's
Speaker 1: pretty good. I mean I've been it's all right, it's
Speaker 1: what I've been told. That's what I've been told, Dave.
Speaker 1: I just want to know if you're gonna run him
Speaker 1: down in his locker room and just to talk to
Speaker 1: him or something. I don't know. I know people, can
Speaker 1: you sign my tattoo? Can you sign my tattoo? I'm
Speaker 1: gonna shart choice this thing and make him side your
Speaker 1: glove or something like that. I am a professional in
Speaker 1: every sense of I would never do that. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: on that note, all right, yea with all the changes
Speaker 1: and the unknown. On a scale one to ten, ten
Speaker 1: being the highest, how good do you project this oh
Speaker 1: line to be in twenty twenty mm so ten being
Speaker 1: the highest? How good do you project this offensive line
Speaker 1: to be this year? M I'm gonna say seven. I
Speaker 1: think seven is a yeah. Seven is a really good answer.
Speaker 1: Maybe sixty, yeah, because I think they'll be above average.
Speaker 1: Five is average, right, I think they're gonna be a
Speaker 1: little bit above average, but all up in nine or ten?
Speaker 1: Have they ever been ten? I mean have they Have
Speaker 1: you ever called them at ten? I mean I don't
Speaker 1: think at ten. A nine maybe and fourteen sixteen, maybe
Speaker 1: not at ten, but they were pretty damn close. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that being said, I would say seven with
Speaker 1: the chance to get to eight. You know, these guys
Speaker 1: are older. They and they show that they're older. I mean,
Speaker 1: Zach Martin's missing in practice because of a back injury,
Speaker 1: Tyran Smith. You know, it looks like Derek sometimes with
Speaker 1: his elbow. I mean, like I just think that my
Speaker 1: elbow is fine. Yeah. I just feel like that they
Speaker 1: have gotten a little bit younger, sound like they're completely older.
Speaker 1: They're getting younger, and when they keep drafting. You know,
Speaker 1: some of these guards and McGovern and Connor Williams and
Speaker 1: you know this guys can step up. You know they
Speaker 1: have a chance of maybe eight, but I would say
Speaker 1: seven probably. Sorry, So let's let's say that with the
Speaker 1: inexperience of the younger guys, plus maybe some injuries that
Speaker 1: could happen to these veteran guys. How much do you
Speaker 1: think that any kind of change right there could really
Speaker 1: affect Dak Prescott in his game? I think I think
Speaker 1: Dak has kind of evolved into that kind of player too,
Speaker 1: where maybe he can start holding his own a little
Speaker 1: bit more. Yeah, I think that the biggest thing that's
Speaker 1: going to affect BAC would be the center position. And
Speaker 1: you know, he did have his best season last year
Speaker 1: in terms of stats when Travis Frederick came back. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's a coincidence or not, but but
Speaker 1: I do think that that Frederick's awareness was was a
Speaker 1: big factor and that that helps. I mean, when you
Speaker 1: have the anchor of your line making the calls, that's
Speaker 1: going to take some of the pressure off of Dak.
Speaker 1: So whoever the center is, if it's Joe Looney, whoever
Speaker 1: it is, that you know that he's got big shoes
Speaker 1: to fill, and I think that's the one position that
Speaker 1: will affect Dak Prescott. And then also if the left
Speaker 1: tackle doesn't play, that affects them too, because we saw
Speaker 1: there was a game in Atlanta a couple of years
Speaker 1: ago when Tyran Swift didn't play, and I think Dak's
Speaker 1: back felt it the next probably the next rescue games
Speaker 1: of the season. Yeah, you know, Nick, I'll say this though.
Speaker 1: I mean the fact that Dak and Joe Looney have
Speaker 1: been through this before two years ago when when Zack,
Speaker 1: when Travis was out, they had to go through this,
Speaker 1: and so I think they should be better prepared. If
Speaker 1: Looney is the guy that actually steps up into this position,
Speaker 1: I think they should be better prepared this time going
Speaker 1: around and should be better than they were then because
Speaker 1: they've had that experience of doing that and they have
Speaker 1: been able to grow from it. So yeah, I know
Speaker 1: that it's it wasn't and I shouldn't say it because
Speaker 1: it certainly wasn't bad. I don't think two years ago.
Speaker 1: I just think that it wasn't as good as what
Speaker 1: you were seeing with Travis Frederick. I think that at
Speaker 1: this point my expectation at least is they should be
Speaker 1: able to step up and be much better than they
Speaker 1: were back then, because it's this is their second go
Speaker 1: a round. I want to throw this out there. In
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen with Joe Looney in the lineup, Joe Looney
Speaker 1: played great, They were fine. They gave up fifty six sacks,
Speaker 1: which was second in the league. Just an impossibly high number.
Speaker 1: Can't sustain winning football giving up that many sacks, which
Speaker 1: is ironically they made the playoffs whatever. They dropped all
Speaker 1: the way to twenty three last year. And you can't
Speaker 1: convince me that a post guion bare syndrome Travis Frederick
Speaker 1: was the difference in thirty four sacks. There's just no way,
Speaker 1: my point, because by the way, he didn't play his
Speaker 1: best football last year. No, that's my point, Like, this
Speaker 1: isn't this isn't all pro Travis Frederick. This was above
Speaker 1: average Travis Frederick. Like, there's no way that that's the
Speaker 1: difference in thirty plus sex And my point, some of
Speaker 1: it's gonna be on Dak And I think he got
Speaker 1: a lot better last year. I think John Kitten that
Speaker 1: helped him with his decision making, being more asserted in
Speaker 1: the pocket. Hopefully that keeps up with Doug nus Meyer
Speaker 1: as the quarterback coach. Kelly Moore is still there, so
Speaker 1: I expect it will be. But I think a lot
Speaker 1: of that's gonna be on Dak to help the offensive lineout,
Speaker 1: and I think he's gotten better at that, as evidenced
Speaker 1: by the dramatic drop last year. Okay, real quick, what
Speaker 1: is your favorite jersey number? Okay, so, I mean my
Speaker 1: favorite number is just a yeah. I mean I would
Speaker 1: say fourteen is my favorite number. But like, you can't
Speaker 1: beat like, you can't beat eighty eight on a wide
Speaker 1: receiver in football. It's just so badass. And I like
Speaker 1: that's not even Cowboys bias. It just looks awesome in general.
Speaker 1: All Right, Nick, you said too, I like to I
Speaker 1: this times back to Deon Sanders. I. You know, I
Speaker 1: just when Dion was wearing number two in college, I
Speaker 1: thought that was the coolest thing. And you know, a
Speaker 1: lot of people like to wear number one, but I
Speaker 1: think two is cool, especially like in football, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess even in basketball too. I just think it's
Speaker 1: it's a it's a cool number. So yeah, I've always, honestly,
Speaker 1: I've always been partial to number one on a jersey.
Speaker 1: I think it looks really cool. And watching Warren moon
Speaker 1: for years with the Oilers as number one that kind
Speaker 1: of jaded me a bit. Even when I played football
Speaker 1: in high school, I war number one just because of
Speaker 1: war moon Wards, so I thought, I think number one school.
Speaker 1: I love number one all right. Now, in a percentage scale,
Speaker 1: one are the real chances of the Cowboys drafting and
Speaker 1: wide receiver in the first round. So what we want
Speaker 1: or what we think, what you think the Cowboys will do,
Speaker 1: not what we want all right? Percentage wise, realistically, I
Speaker 1: would put it at like a twenty to twenty five
Speaker 1: percent chance, because I really do think it could be
Speaker 1: a scenario where the best receiver available is a lot better.
Speaker 1: You know, do you want a ready made starter at
Speaker 1: receiver or a guy that's kind of a project anywhere else?
Speaker 1: And so that's what gives me pause. But all things
Speaker 1: like if it's even close, if it's even remotely close,
Speaker 1: I think the front office wants a defender. So I
Speaker 1: don't think it's that realistic, but I think there is
Speaker 1: a chance. Yeah, I agree with that thought process, but
Speaker 1: I put the percentage around fifteen percent because I think
Speaker 1: they will convince themselves that that defender is on par
Speaker 1: with that receiver. But I do agree with you. I
Speaker 1: think I think there's a possibility you might be able
Speaker 1: to get the top receiver, depending on what flavor of
Speaker 1: receiver you like the most. I think you may be
Speaker 1: able to get one of those top guys at seventeen.
Speaker 1: And to me, the value of that is is better
Speaker 1: then say, you know, one of the other guys at
Speaker 1: one of those defensive positions that may be a good player,
Speaker 1: but isn't as as great a player as maybe one
Speaker 1: of those top receivers. Yeah, I think it's closer to
Speaker 1: forty actually, because that's so that's what you guys just said. Though,
Speaker 1: it's because of the value. I think that's where you're
Speaker 1: going to get your value. And then and if some
Speaker 1: of these defenders are off the board, you know, if
Speaker 1: if the value is there of a seeding Lamb or
Speaker 1: I don't know Jerry Judy will go that low, but
Speaker 1: he might. I mean, you know who knows. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: they do have a spot. I mean, three receivers is
Speaker 1: important in any offense. That's just the way it's gone now.
Speaker 1: And they only have two that they can really count on.
Speaker 1: Right now. So, um, I think it's started with that
Speaker 1: being said. While you're saying, Nick, regardless, you're saying there
Speaker 1: is a forty percent chance, regardless of what they have
Speaker 1: already invested at the wide receiver position, with Amari Cooper
Speaker 1: resigning him and then having what you have with my
Speaker 1: called Gallop and his development. Yeah, but I mean Gallop
Speaker 1: two years for two more years for Gallop, three years
Speaker 1: for Cooper. I mean, I still think and the fact
Speaker 1: that that your third receiver is going to play lit
Speaker 1: it just comes down to value. And I think because
Speaker 1: it's so heavy of receivers this year, I think that
Speaker 1: when they sit there at seventeen and they look at
Speaker 1: their board and they go who's there, they're like, dang,
Speaker 1: these three receivers are are really really good. I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna either they trade back because of those great
Speaker 1: receivers or they take one, which keep it keep in mind,
Speaker 1: a g name the next best receiver on the team
Speaker 1: after Gallup, Like that's an awesome starting too. Let's see.
Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, name the next one, because it's no
Speaker 1: that's it. This reminds me a little bit of what
Speaker 1: Atlanta did. I think a couple of years ago when
Speaker 1: they had Julio Jones, they had snow and then they
Speaker 1: didn't really you know, you didn't really have to draft
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley, but he was there. And now I'm sure
Speaker 1: that they're glad that they did, you know, because they
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily need him, but they but they picked him.
Speaker 1: So I could see that happening. Hey, Dave, Yes, I
Speaker 1: got one for you. Okay. Des Bryant. A lot of
Speaker 1: people keep asking about him coming back to the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought I thought we did this back
Speaker 1: at the Combine. I just I don't see it. I
Speaker 1: don't like he doesn't he doesn't feel the role that
Speaker 1: they need, Like they need more of a slot guy.
Speaker 1: I know, like he's done that, but it's not his
Speaker 1: forete by any stretch. He's thirty two coming off in Achilles.
Speaker 1: Does he have the explosiveness you want from a starting receiver.
Speaker 1: That's and I think for the most part, people that
Speaker 1: want Dez back are talking about, like let him come
Speaker 1: in as the fourth guy and play in the red
Speaker 1: zone and you know, maybe he gets fifteen snaps a game. Fine,
Speaker 1: Like for I still don't see that happening. But like
Speaker 1: we're talking about a guy that can play starting snaps,
Speaker 1: you know, sixty five seventy five percent of the snaps
Speaker 1: every week. I just don't don't think I buyed it.
Speaker 1: Des is that guy? Yeah, I mean either. But here's
Speaker 1: another question for you guys, this one you're gonna enjoy.
Speaker 1: If you have to root for another college team, who
Speaker 1: would you root for? Who would we root for? It
Speaker 1: can't be anybody in the SEC. That was easy for me. Actually,
Speaker 1: now I think about it, It's New Mexico because my
Speaker 1: nephew plays there, So yeah, i'd be New Mexico. You
Speaker 1: root for them anyways, I know. But we're saying I
Speaker 1: assume she's saying other than your school, right, right? School?
Speaker 1: What's another die hard? I mean I talk about invested
Speaker 1: because in three or four years you probably won't root
Speaker 1: for them as much. So who is your die hard?
Speaker 1: Who are you gonna wear a sweatshirt with four on
Speaker 1: Friday afternoon? Like? What other school? No? One? Oh? I
Speaker 1: mean you got like five schools, Nick, So it's a
Speaker 1: little different for you. I've got five schools you root for.
Speaker 1: I got two. I've got two that I root for.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, okay, and that's how many games both
Speaker 1: of them won last year, so you know, I would
Speaker 1: say Notre Dame. Huh, that's I mean, I've always liked
Speaker 1: You're playing next year, That's that's really interesting. I would
Speaker 1: like to I would like to be there if that
Speaker 1: has happened. You're gonna wear the split jersey? No, no,
Speaker 1: it's not like that. I mean, I liked Rudy. That
Speaker 1: was it, you know. I mean, you know, but I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna split the jersey. You know. But I'm just
Speaker 1: saying I could, I could, you know, root for that.
Speaker 1: I don't hate them, you know, like a lot of people,
Speaker 1: it's like love or hate. I don't really hate them.
Speaker 1: That would be a team I guess I could could
Speaker 1: pull for it. I'd probably say I'd probably say Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: I got a lot of family up there, so I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people that root for them anyway.
Speaker 1: You know, great, you know, they they win, They've gone
Speaker 1: to the Rose Bowl a bunch of times the last
Speaker 1: twenty years. Great running backs, Russell Wilson, Camp Randall's an
Speaker 1: awesome stadium. Yeah, I could root for Wisconsin. Get another
Speaker 1: tat two on the other arm, Yeah, I get that
Speaker 1: w I get the w over here my tiger, all right,
Speaker 1: last question. This one's kind of easy. Um, what position
Speaker 1: do you feel that has been upgraded the most during
Speaker 1: this free agency upgrade? I think it has to be
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle position, right, I mean, that's where they
Speaker 1: spent most of their resources at this point. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, are you sure it's an upgrade? I mean,
Speaker 1: I think I think what they have right now is
Speaker 1: better than what they had last year. Now, whether how
Speaker 1: high you want to think that goes, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean that that may speak to the quality or
Speaker 1: the level that they were at last year, but I
Speaker 1: think they're better off this year than they were last
Speaker 1: year at that position, at those two positions defensive tackle,
Speaker 1: I think, I agree. I mean, but I like, I don't,
Speaker 1: you know, talking about how they were bad against the
Speaker 1: run in Carolina last year. Like, I don't think it's
Speaker 1: this crazy improvement, but I just think it speaks to
Speaker 1: like right now, I just I don't feel that optimistic
Speaker 1: that this team is better than it was last year.
Speaker 1: So if I had to pick a spot, i'd probably play, say,
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. Yeah, I don't. I think you're right, Dave,
Speaker 1: because you've got two positions that they have not upgraded.
Speaker 1: I mean they've actually downgraded at cornerback and defensive end,
Speaker 1: so you can make the argument for defensive tackle. I
Speaker 1: mean probably, so safety is probably a wash kicker. It's
Speaker 1: hard to say that right now because I mean, four
Speaker 1: Bat didn't miss when he was here, so it's hard
Speaker 1: to say that he's going to be completely better tight end.
Speaker 1: You don't know, receiver. They actually lost the third receiver
Speaker 1: right now, so that's it. I don't think this is
Speaker 1: a better football team than it was last year right now.
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys honestly think that, you guys honestly
Speaker 1: think that Antoine Woods and Malie Collins are better than
Speaker 1: Poe and McCoy. No, I just don't think that. I
Speaker 1: don't know that it's like that dramatic of an upgrade.
Speaker 1: I think I think Carlins is probably a better player.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a better player like across the board
Speaker 1: for the NFL than maybe those two. I don't know
Speaker 1: about from a scheme fit standpoint, But well, what gives
Speaker 1: you that impress I mean we've only seen him in
Speaker 1: this scheme, so is that just kind of your your
Speaker 1: thoughts on what you think he can be in another scheme?
Speaker 1: Because he's going to the same scheme now going to
Speaker 1: open with Rod. So what you know, what I don't
Speaker 1: know is I don't know his money. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't really remember. It was kind of it took a
Speaker 1: long time for that money to come out. So what
Speaker 1: they pay, Yeah, Malik got a one year like five
Speaker 1: four or five million, He got a proven deal. He
Speaker 1: really didn't get a whole lot. M I just think then, no,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. Yeah, I don't think the league
Speaker 1: values him very much by seeing by what happened in
Speaker 1: free agency. I think it's I think it's his injury,
Speaker 1: his stree. Honestly, he's you know, he's had foot injuries
Speaker 1: for the vast majority of his career. I agree with you,
Speaker 1: Derek that the defensive tackle the starting two is better
Speaker 1: than it was, But I don't think it is by
Speaker 1: this like astronomical margin, Like I mean, you know, don
Speaker 1: Tari Poe, like these are these are guys that are
Speaker 1: closer to the end of their career than the beginning.
Speaker 1: I like, you know, this isn't twenty twelve Gerald McCoy.
Speaker 1: I still think he can be effective, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: but I just I'm not convinced that this is a drastic,
Speaker 1: drastic upgrade. Yeah, and I agree with that. Honestly, I
Speaker 1: think time will tell how much of an upgrade it is.
Speaker 1: I think it's an upgrade. I just don't know how much.
Speaker 1: And I think it also depends on what these coaches
Speaker 1: can get out of those two players. That's going to
Speaker 1: tell you how much it is. So that's what we
Speaker 1: can't tell. But I think if you're just looking at
Speaker 1: just the raw talent of the player, I think, to me,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's even a question that they have
Speaker 1: better caliber players at those two defensive tackle positions than
Speaker 1: they had last year. The only reason I'm drawn more
Speaker 1: to that position, defensive tackle, is just because they've gone
Speaker 1: in two bodies out of this free agency. Other than that,
Speaker 1: there's if it was just one guy. Honestly, I don't
Speaker 1: feel like that gives me much excitement for the position.
Speaker 1: But the fact that at least they signed two bodies
Speaker 1: to add to the roster, that's the only reason I
Speaker 1: would lean more towards that being an upgrade at this point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and quite frankly, I still think the defensive line is
Speaker 1: worse off. I know that sounds like I'm talking out
Speaker 1: of both sides. Of my mouth. But the fact that
Speaker 1: they lost Robert Quinn to me, is bigger than the
Speaker 1: addition of those two guys relative to the defensive tackles
Speaker 1: that were that were there before. So for me, this
Speaker 1: all hinges on what are they going to do with
Speaker 1: defensive end, either in the draft or in the remainder
Speaker 1: of free agency. That's going to replace the production that
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn gave them. So if they don't do that,
Speaker 1: they don't replace that, and they're expecting that one of
Speaker 1: the guys on the current roster is going to be
Speaker 1: that guy, then I think they'll go into next year
Speaker 1: with the worst defensive line than they had last year.
Speaker 1: I guarantee there are people watching this right now screaming saying,
Speaker 1: how can you not say safety because they firmly believe that. Haha.
Speaker 1: Clinton Dix is a better player than Jeff Heath. But
Speaker 1: I don't think we know that yet. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, I don't know if I that's one of
Speaker 1: the areas we're talking about how Dave looked at defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: That's kind of how I look at safety. I think
Speaker 1: he might be better. Yeah, Honestly, there have been suggestions
Speaker 1: from things I've seen that suggests he might not be
Speaker 1: He might be the same guy. Like he may just
Speaker 1: frustrate you in different ways than Jeff Heath would frustrate you. Right, So,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a better player. Maybe it is,
Speaker 1: maybe it isn't, don't Yeah, I think a jury is
Speaker 1: still out there. Yeah, all right, we appreciate you guys
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