WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Better or Worse? 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:07.560 The following He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:19.760 and the Dallas Cowboys Football clubs. Are you ready for 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:23.440 a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:27.800 Ready for a break. Yeah, and so much for that. 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:33.159 It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:39.479 with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:49.120 April first, two thousand and twenty, Season sixteen, Episode number three. 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:52.840 Welcome to another edition of The break We are live 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:56.680 from multiple locations, all at our homes, uh and safely 0:00:56.720 --> 0:00:58.480 at our homes. But we got an hour to talk 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:01.400 to you guys about some Cowboys ball. Here on the 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:06.160 break Out my guy Nick, Amber Dave, and we're ready 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:07.319 to go. What do you guys, How are you guys 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:13.480 feeling today? Awesome? Derek feeling real good man, Thanks for 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:19.119 having me. That sounded really enthusiastic. Yeah, that sounded really enthusiastic. Nick. 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:22.080 After the long pause, we got a lot to talk 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:24.560 about today. There have been a couple of signings since 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:27.760 our last show, and we have some other some other 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:29.520 things are gonna get into. We'll talk a little about 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:32.080 the running back position today. Actually, we're gonna start a 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:35.760 Position series where each day each show, we're gonna go 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:38.480 through a particular position and talk about where the Cowboys 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:41.400 are coming out of last season heading into this next season. 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:44.440 Understanding there are going to be free agency and h 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:47.039 and draft moves that will be made, but just talking 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:49.840 about where the Cowboys are at this point. So let's 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:53.279 dive right in, starting first with the signing of kicker 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:56.880 Greg Zeroline. He signs a three year, three point five 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:01.400 million dollars guaranteed deal. I'll ask you guys the question 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:03.880 just simply, do you think this was a good move 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:08.440 for the Cowboys. Yeah, I mean I think that you 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:11.120 talk about the kicker position, we didn't we have a 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:14.800 lot of certainty there for the last three or four years, 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:17.400 I think, so maybe the last couple of years. But 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:20.640 Zeroline is a guy that that you know, obviously they 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:22.560 call him Greg the Leg for a reason, and he 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:25.520 can kick it, you know, sixty yarders or so. But 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:28.240 we saw last year that that doesn't that's you need 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:31.200 more than that. So I think it's a good move. 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:34.760 But you know, I'm kind of always hesitant about veteran 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:37.440 kickers because I think you're a great kicker until you're not. 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:40.280 And then, and I've seen it firsthand, so I hope 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:42.760 that he still you know, has some left in the 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:45.920 tank there and he can make the intermediate kicks. I 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:49.160 think it's the biggest thing for him. I honestly, I 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:52.200 think Derek, you actually I believe you asked this, like 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:54.960 one of the more recent shows we did. You're like, well, 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:57.959 you know, is resigning Kai for Bath enough? And everybody 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:01.680 said no, Like everybody in some type of competition, they 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:05.320 wanted another kicker. I was thinking, you know, undrafted free 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:08.520 agents probably, but I'm more than happy to have a 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:12.800 Pro Bowl or who's familiar with John Fassil or Fossil 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:17.480 on the stator on the roster. He did dip last year. 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.880 He was also dealing with a foot injury. You know, 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:24.040 we saw it firsthand. Nick's right, like, when you lose it, 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:26.359 you lose it. But Dan Bailey also went on to 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:30.280 rediscover his form in Minnesota, So I'm highly optimistic this 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:32.360 guy can still kick at a high level. I'm happy 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:36.400 to have him. You know, I was afraid that the 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:39.080 Cowboys were gonna try to bring in a kicker that 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:42.040 didn't have much experience somewhat, you know, they like to 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:44.960 bring in those guys that no one really knows much about. 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:49.480 But I'm excited that they decided to sign this guy 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:53.920 and someone that's proven, that has that veteran experience, and 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:56.680 to go against Kai for Bath, which was a guy 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:59.800 that me personally I liked what he did last year. 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:02.360 I was excited. I don't think it was enough. We 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:05.240 didn't get to see so much of it, but the 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:08.960 time that he did get he clearly made the best 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:11.240 out of it. He didn't miss a single kick. So 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:15.040 I'm excited to see this competition. We'll see what happens there, 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:19.040 but two good guys. I was surprised though, that they 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:22.520 went in for a veteran guy like this. You know, yes, 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:27.279 then they do have fifty five players now on the roster. 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:30.719 They expanded it two spots. Now, does that mean two kickers? 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:33.520 Probably not, but it wouldn't surprise me if there's some 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:35.560 team in the league that does. At some point in 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:37.960 the year, we'll have a couple of kickers on the 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:41.040 roster for injury purposes or whatever. So you know, it's 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:43.760 only two spots, but I bet it comes in handy 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.479 at times like this, and maybe you know who knows, 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:49.960 I mean, maybe the Cowboys will have two kickers. I 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:52.440 don't think that's gonna happen. But just don't forget about 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:57.000 the fifty five players on the roster. Yeah, I'll mention 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:59.080 one other thing, Dave you you kind of brought up 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:04.119 Jim Fossil. I think the interesting thing there is knowing 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:07.120 that he was his coach last year and the fact 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:10.440 that he had the foot injury suggests to me that 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.200 at least Fossil thinks that that was the reason for 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:15.000 the dip last year. You look at his numbers the 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:16.640 last several years and it actually you go back to 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.159 two years ago, he was kicking at ninety five percent. 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:20.640 He was That was a year he went to the 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:23.280 Pro Bowl. I mean, he had a really, really great 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:26.680 year back two years ago. And so I actually am 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:28.799 willing to give the benefit of the doubt there because 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:32.000 I think his coach probably vouched for him here and said, yeah, 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:34.720 there was an injury concern, he played through it, he 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.240 didn't kick as well. I feel like, if he's healthy, 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:39.680 he's a really good kicker, and for me, I give 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:41.520 him that benefit of the doubt. Are you guys willing 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:45.240 to give that benefit of the doubt as well? Absolutely? 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:47.680 I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. You're absolutely right. 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:52.000 Like his dip, his dip last year is startling compared 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:54.720 to the consistency of the rest of his career, and 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:56.599 you find out that he played through an injury, it 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:59.920 makes sense. What else do we know, Like NFL coach 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:03.520 love their guys, like Rod Marinelli's signing every former cowboy 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:06.120 in the world out in Las Vegas. John Fossil gets 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:07.839 to bring in the kicker that he's familiar with for 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:11.280 the last eight years. I absolutely and William to give 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:12.880 him the benefit of the doubt. But the great thing 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:16.200 about the kicker position is it's very easy to tell 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:19.719 how well you're doing your job. And so you know, 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:21.720 he got I think he got three million or two 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:23.560 and a half million and guarantees, which is a lot 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:26.200 to give a kicker. But at the same time, you're 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:27.919 not going to keep a guy that's not making kicks. 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:31.280 So you know, it's very easy to determine how well 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:33.760 a kicker is doing his job. So he can have 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:35.400 the benefit of the doubt for the time being, but 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:40.240 training camp and preseason will ultimately determine that. You know, 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:45.000 people always say people always talk about the coaches and 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:47.000 how they know their guys, and I think this is 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:49.960 one of those cases. But don't forget that John Fossil 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:53.400 also drafted and cut Tavon Austin, who is sitting out 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:56.640 there in free agency, and you know he could they 0:06:56.640 --> 0:06:59.680 need a punt returner and he knows Tavon Austin and 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:03.400 they're not signing Tavon Austin. So sometimes familiarity can help 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:06.359 a player and herd a player too. Yeah, do you 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:08.080 guys think this is going to be a competition or 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:10.080 do you think they go into training camp with just Zerline? 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:13.800 Obviously Zerolin's contract is the one that's a little bit 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:15.880 meatier than than four Bath. He only had a one 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:18.000 year deal. Do you think they take him both to camp? 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:23.480 Though I would have to assume they do. Kai four 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:26.800 Bath he only got one hundred and thirty thousand and guarantees, Like, 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:32.040 it's not this crazy contract you need. I mean you 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:34.840 need multiple kickers in training camp anyway, And again like 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:37.760 why not just let him kick? And if Zerline is 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:40.120 not good, it's not enough money that you would keep 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:41.560 him if he's not good, I don't know why you 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:45.160 wouldn't bring him both to camp? They actually have three 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:50.360 kickers on the roster right now. So this Guyana, Tristan Biscayana, 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:52.800 I think I don't know. Oh that's right, I forgot 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:56.840 about him. I mean, and you can dismiss him, but like, 0:07:57.080 --> 0:08:00.560 if he's punted at all, then he's the guy that 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:02.840 they want to take a camp so they can you know, 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:05.320 he could do some kickoff, do some punts. You know. 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:09.440 That's the third kicker punter that they always typically take 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:12.600 to camp. So I don't I don't know. I don't 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:15.800 care how much experience someone has at this point at 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:19.600 the kicking position. At the kicker position, I expect all 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:22.640 of these guys, well, these two main guys, though the 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:24.840 other guy, the third guy that Nick mentioned, I really 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:28.239 have forgotten about him, honestly. But these two main guys, 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:31.640 I expect them to go out to the preseason games 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:35.120 and have them both kicking at different times of the 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:37.719 games and none of that like, oh, this guy has 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:40.400 more experience, we need to kind of preserve him more, 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:43.319 none of that crap. I want both of them out. 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:48.640 They're kicking as much as possible and hopefully picking out 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:51.280 the right guy. I don't know, I just now I'm 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:53.959 just hesitating. I'm tired of getting kind of excited about 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:57.760 these kickers and then they always come up with some crap. 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:00.680 Ever since then Bailey left, then Bailey broke my heart, 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:04.400 and then since then, I just I can't be at 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:07.440 peace with the kick in positions. So you got to 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:10.679 watch the most accurate kicker in NFL history for three years, 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:14.840 and now you just can't settle for anything else. Absolutely not. Yes, 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:20.000 it's it's really hard to be excited about a kicker 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:22.400 just because the only time you think about a kicker 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:24.560 really is when they're not doing their job. If they're 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:26.040 doing their job, you just kind of take it for 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:29.439 granted after a while, right, That's I guess that's kind 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:32.559 of my point is like ag started following the Cowboys 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:36.319 at like the height of their kicking ability, and like, 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:38.960 I hate, I hate to be a downer Amber, but 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:42.400 it's probably never gonna be that good again. It's just 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:47.120 it just is what it is. You're about to say something, Nick, 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:50.440 where you gonna throwing Well, just the fact that I mean, Derek, 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:53.679 you remember, I mean we sat here and we were 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:57.080 excited that Cowboys signed the great most accurate kicker of 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:00.920 all time. He was the leader in accuracy Mike Vanderjack 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:03.839 and he was terrible with the Cowboys. I mean, he 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:05.960 didn't even make it through the season. Parcels had to 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:08.840 cut him and was so bad. And so he was 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:10.679 the most accurate kicker of all time. I think Dan 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:12.880 Bailey at one time was as well. That's why I'm 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:15.480 just kind of hesitant, because you know, I remember there's 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:18.000 time for David Akers was never gonna miss for the Eagles, 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:20.800 or that guy Read was never gonna miss for the Steelers, 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:22.800 and then they do and then they fall off, you know. 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:25.120 But like Dave said, Bailey did kind of come back. 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:28.800 Vinitarians come back, and you know, and maybe Zerline will 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:30.840 do the same. And I don't think he's had a 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:33.800 huge drop off by the way too. I mean it's 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:35.960 you know, he's not he wasn't as automatic as he was. 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:37.600 But I think this is gonna be a good move 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:40.120 for him. Yeah, he was last year. I think he 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:43.840 was second worse than the NFL, behind Maha, of course, 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:46.560 I mean ahead of mahar But if you look at 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:48.680 the last two years before that, he kicked at eighty 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:52.320 seven percent in two eighteen, ninety five percent in two 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:56.000 thousand and seventeen eighty six percent in two thousand and sixteen. 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:58.800 So you look at his record like he's been a 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:00.960 pretty good kicker throughout most of his career. He's had 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:04.000 a couple down seasons. He had another season where he's 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:06.760 right at ninety three percent. So again I think that 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:09.000 you know, for a kicker again, you're gonna have your 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:10.640 ups and downs. And one thing we know about kickers, 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:12.960 there are ebbs and flows. There are only a few 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:16.440 really great ones that are always consistently great. Most of 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:17.960 them kind of have their ebbs and flows, and you 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.400 hope you catch them on on an upswing and keep 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:21.880 them for as long as they're on an up swing, 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:23.640 and then whenever they take that down swing, then you 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.640 may have to move on to someone else. All right, 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:28.160 let's go ahead and talk a little bit about don 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:35.000 Terry Poems deal him about time not you Derren Fount, 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:38.000 time that they got the damn thing right, Yeah, I 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:41.520 mean negociating with this guy for six freaking days right 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:44.199 last week We actually mentioned it on the show because 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:47.080 at that time they were having conversations. But if the 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:49.840 deal's finally done, do you guys know the terms at 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:51.720 this point? What was the deal, how much they pay 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:55.040 him end up paying him, and for how long. I 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:59.360 believe it was two years, ten and a half mil so, right, 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:01.800 I mean right now? A bad deal? No, it's it's 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:04.280 right around their sweet spot for deals they like to do, 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:06.480 like right around the five or six per year range. 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:11.520 It's not as many years as Gerald McCoy got, but 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:14.400 it's a similar salary. So, I mean, you know, very 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:17.800 typical Cowboys signing, a little not quite scrape in the 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:21.320 bottom of the barrel, but definitely bargain hunting. Yeah, And 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:23.800 we talked last week about how much of a value 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:25.880 a guy like that can bring to a defensive line, 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.880 especially one that had some issues stopping the run last year. 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:31.720 He's a big guy, I think six three, three hundred 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:35.840 forty pounds big guy. But with the signing of Poe 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:39.240 and the signing of McCoy together, do you think that 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:42.840 changes how the Cowboys look at the draft when it 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:47.480 comes to the defensive tackle position. Well, I think it 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:50.360 just changed. It just shows that they change what kind 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:53.960 of tackle that they're valuing. They you know, the guy 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:56.679 that's a little bit under size that can play inside 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:59.480 is not what they're looking for right now. So I 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:02.880 don't think it would change what they do in the 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:05.880 draft if there's somebody there that fits that mold. But 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:09.079 because you remember Poe and McCoy, you know they're at 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:12.880 the downside of their career. You know this, they're just 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:14.959 trying to get a little bit of resurgence there. But 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:17.600 I don't think it changes what they're gonna do if 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:20.160 there's if there's somebody that fits, I just I don't 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:23.400 think that there's a strong priority to now go into 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:25.360 and make sure that you get a defensive tackle. But 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:28.160 if like kin Law or somebody is sitting there, I 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:30.079 don't know why you would pass on him just because 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:34.560 you've signed these two veterans. I'm really I'm curious about this. 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:38.400 I think they're good signings, McCoy and and Poe both. 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:41.439 It fits what McCarthy said they wanted to do. They 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:43.920 can be a little multiple, you can do four three 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:47.160 and three four stuff with them. I feel good about it. 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:51.199 But it's the narrative that's going around, and it's totally fair. 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:54.559 The Carolina Panthers, I believe we're fourth worst in the 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:59.600 league in rush defense last year, and that was with 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.559 Luke Keakley and Shack Thompson playing linebacker, so like, these 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:06.360 aren't Scrubs playing linebacker behind him. And it is curious 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:08.920 to me that they were so bad against the run 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:12.640 with these two guys. Um, I haven't gone back and watched. 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:15.240 I will slash should I want to go get a 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:19.120 better feel for how these guys played. But that is curious, 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.640 um that that they weren't better. Um. I do like 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:26.480 these signings, but in line with that, it wouldn't stop 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:29.200 me from doing anything in the draft. Um, Well, they're 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:31.800 primarily playing, primarily playing a four man front. I don't 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:34.040 know if you even know that at this point or front. 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.720 They played way more four than three, Like McCoy did 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:40.920 play some three four end and Poe played some nose tackle, 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:43.720 but it was a four man front way more often 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:48.280 than a three man front. Um, So I don't think 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:51.280 it should stop him. I never really believe that they 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:54.520 would take a d tackle seventeenth anyway, just because I 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:56.960 think Derek Brown and Javon ken Law will be long 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:00.680 gone by then. Um, but there's there, there's value to 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:04.720 be had there. Ross Blacklock out of TCU is a 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:07.320 name that comes to mind. Jordan Elliott out of Missouri, 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.320 justin Matt a week from Texas A and m is 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:13.440 a guy that they've been linked to. Any of those 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:18.000 guys second third round, it wouldn't stop me from doing 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:21.280 anything because I don't think this is like a long term, 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:24.360 you know, fixer upper situation. I think they still need 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:27.280 to look at that position in the draft. What do 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:30.080 you guys, Whatever they do, I was gonna say, whatever 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:32.760 they do with this draft, whatever position they decide to 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.800 go with, they just need to get someone that is 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:38.800 able to contribute right away. In my opinion, last year's 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:43.080 draft to me is honestly quite forgettable except for Tony Pollard. 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:45.400 I have to really think, like sit down and think, Okay, 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:47.880 who were the guys that they drafted last year? And 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.840 then out of that the only one that always comes 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:54.080 to mind is Tony Pollard. But whoever they go with, 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:58.560 I just hope that it's someone that really can start 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:02.040 contributing this year rather than sitting around for a whole 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:05.600 year and starting to, you know, thinking about the future 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:09.200 and all that stuff. None of that crap. Okay. So 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:12.360 with that being said, do you guys think that based 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:14.680 on anything you saw from Tristan Hill, whether that was 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:17.800 what you saw in training, camp in during the season. 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:22.120 Was there any moment or any particular spark that you 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:25.080 saw from him that suggests that this year he could 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:28.600 be better, especially if he has these veteran guys that 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:30.320 maybe they can help him out a little bit and 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:32.200 get in there. Do you see anything as far as 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.920 what you expect from him this year going into the season. 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:38.280 I think the biggest thing for him was the hiring 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:41.400 of Jim Tomsula. I mean, he is just a veteran 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:45.480 defensive line coach that he has worked with a lot 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:47.960 of players and made them better. And that's I think 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:52.360 the best thing that can happen for Tristan Hill. And 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:55.360 that's nothing against Rod Marinelli. I mean, it's just that 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:58.680 the fact that he can have some different coaching in here. 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:02.160 But you know, he's gonna have to be coachable. I mean, 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:04.280 I'm not saying that he wasn't, but he had some 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:07.359 maturity issues that he needed to deal with and I 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:09.639 and you know, most players make a big league from 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:11.960 one to two, whether it be their body, whether it 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:15.720 be their mind, experience, whatever, he's got to he's got 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:18.120 to be able to do that. I mean, they drafted 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:20.679 him to be a you know, a contributor, and they 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:23.000 went and signed Michael Bennett because he couldn't get on 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:26.240 the field, so they have to he has to kind 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:30.040 of want it to make that that stuff. Hopefully he will. Hopefully, 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:33.320 hopefully Gerald McCoy will be part of that too, because 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.520 I mean, in addition to being a great player over 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:41.400 the last decade, you know, he's he's achieved really noteworthy 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:44.240 status for what a high character leader type of guy 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:46.120 he is. He did an interview a few days ago 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:49.639 with one of the serious NFL shows about, you know, 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:52.000 talking about how you know he's going to be a 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:55.120 leader on this team and they're looking toward veteran leadership. 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:58.840 That's not to say Don Tory Poe couldn't be that guy, 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:01.120 but I just don't know his much About Don Taripoe, 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:04.680 I do know Gerald McCoy is pretty famous for having 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:08.600 high football and off field character. So that seems like 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:10.879 a guy that could have a positive impact on Tristan 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:14.520 Hill for sure. All right, let's go ahead and take 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:16.720 our first break. 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