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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 1: April first, two thousand and twenty, Season sixteen, Episode number three.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of The break We are live

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Speaker 1: from multiple locations, all at our homes, uh and safely

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Speaker 1: at our homes. But we got an hour to talk

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Speaker 1: to you guys about some Cowboys ball. Here on the

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Speaker 1: break Out my guy Nick, Amber Dave, and we're ready

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Speaker 1: to go. What do you guys, How are you guys

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Speaker 1: feeling today? Awesome? Derek feeling real good man, Thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me. That sounded really enthusiastic. Yeah, that sounded really enthusiastic. Nick.

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Speaker 1: After the long pause, we got a lot to talk

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Speaker 1: about today. There have been a couple of signings since

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Speaker 1: things are gonna get into. We'll talk a little about

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Speaker 1: the running back position today. Actually, we're gonna start a

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Speaker 1: Position series where each day each show, we're gonna go

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Speaker 1: are coming out of last season heading into this next season.

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Speaker 1: Understanding there are going to be free agency and h

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Speaker 1: and draft moves that will be made, but just talking

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Speaker 1: you didn't see game changing plays. You know, I think

428
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: he went like a month without having a run of

429
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Speaker 1: longer than twelve yards. But I really felt like that

430
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 1: changed around Thanksgiving and yeah, I'm looking at it right now.

431
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Speaker 1: You know, he has seventy one yards and along of

432
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: thirty against the Bulls eighty yards, two touchdowns and along

433
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 1: of thirty one against the Bears. I know it was

434
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 1: a BS game, but he had a really nice day

435
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: in the season finale against Washington. He just looked like

436
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen twenty seventeen. Zeke a lot more. Obviously didn't

437
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,120
Speaker 1: have a training camp in twenty nineteen because the contract

438
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 1: hold out. I think he spent a lot of the season,

439
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 1: you know, overcoming that, and I'm encouraged that with his

440
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: contract situation taken care of, he can be that back

441
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 1: more often moving forward. Amber Honestly, I'm feeling pretty good

442
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 1: about the running back position, not just with Zeke, but

443
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Speaker 1: also with what we got to see from Tony Pollard.

444
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 1: You know, he despite him being a rookie, I think

445
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 1: he took great advantage of the opportunities that was given

446
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,439
Speaker 1: to him and he made the most out of it.

447
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,880
Speaker 1: He has shown to have the ability that you need,

448
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: not just in a backup, like he could be that

449
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: guy that could step in in case something was to

450
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: happen to Ezekiel Elliot. He's a guy that you know,

451
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: you don't get to me a huge well, I'm not

452
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: gonna say a huge drop off because obviously ze Zek

453
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: and he can only do what he does. But at

454
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Speaker 1: the same time, it's not like one of these other

455
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: backs that we've had in the past where there was

456
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 1: a huge drop off between those two. So the combination

457
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: of the two guys not just him being a guy

458
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: that can give Zeke some rest off the field, but

459
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Speaker 1: also a guy that can be on the field at

460
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Speaker 1: the same time. I'm excited to see what kind of

461
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Speaker 1: place they can build for these two guys to maybe

462
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Speaker 1: have them both on the field at the same time.

463
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 1: I think that would be really good for the offense.

464
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Speaker 1: So I'm excited about that. Nick, I think they said

465
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Speaker 1: it best. I mean, you've got a capable backup in

466
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Speaker 1: Tony Pollard, who can you know, jump in there if

467
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Speaker 1: you needed. I think he's going to make a big

468
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 1: jump in his second year transition. And then of course

469
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: Zeke is still one of the best running backs, if

470
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Speaker 1: not the best, in the NFL. And you know, we're

471
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 1: seeing that two or three years ago there was a

472
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Speaker 1: debate on maybe who was the best, and there was

473
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Speaker 1: three guys, and two of those guys are on different

474
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: teams now, so um, you know, I think that it

475
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 1: just goes to show that it's hard to stay at

476
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Speaker 1: the top of the mountain when you're talking about good

477
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: running backs great running backs, and I think Zeke is

478
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Speaker 1: going to do so this year, especially with if if

479
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Speaker 1: he can have you know, a full off season or

480
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 1: training camp, and who knows what that's going to be like,

481
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 1: but um, you know, if he can you know, get

482
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 1: into training camp and get ready for the season, I

483
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: think he's going to be even better this year. All right,

484
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Speaker 1: So what would you guys say is the biggest area

485
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: of concern or a place where you see it or

486
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: you have a desire for change when it comes to

487
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: the running back position. I'm interested to see about the

488
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: fullback spot, just to see what happens there. Um with

489
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 1: you know, with Mike McCarthy's offenses and win Green Bay,

490
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: we saw a lot of fullbacks play there and not

491
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 1: not like the finesse fullback like old A Wally, but

492
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: more of a smashed mouth blocker guy. So, um, I

493
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,959
Speaker 1: don't know if Olda Wally can do that, and that's

494
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: the kind of offense that they're going to have. But

495
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Speaker 1: I'm anxious to see what happens with the fullback spot

496
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: because I do think you'll see a little bit more

497
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 1: traditional run blocking there. That's why Jason Witten I don't

498
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 1: think was as needed, just that complete tight end type blocker,

499
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 1: even though he had dropped off as a blocker for sure,

500
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: But I don't think that that's what they wanted from

501
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: the tight end position, Like they've always had the way

502
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: in the nose type of guy. They don't want that from.

503
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: They wanted more from the fullback. So I'm anxious to

504
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: see if they're going to actually get a fullback type

505
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: or use Ola Walley that way, Yamber, you know, with

506
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 1: the tight end position still being kind of in question

507
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: right now. As to me, I don't really know what

508
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: to expect out of that. As far as productivity, I

509
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: think I would like the Cowboys to start using the

510
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: running backs more in the in the passing game, just

511
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 1: having more plays. They've both shown the capability of being

512
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: able to catch the ball and run with it, so

513
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: I would like to see them just incorporate that a

514
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 1: little more with these running backs. Dave. I mean, I

515
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: don't know how you could see Todd Gurley get cut

516
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: and shipped off to Atlanta and not be concerned about

517
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: the long term. When you talk about zeke I mean,

518
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: the Cowboys gave him an absurdly long deal by any

519
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 1: NFL standard, even crazier when you consider that it's running back,

520
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: the position that gets bashed on every single down. So

521
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: the Cowboys need three healthy seasons out of Zeke before

522
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: they could potentially move on and not have it hurt him.

523
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: I think they can get that. Like Zeke is remarkably durable.

524
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: I'm not super duper worried about it in the long term,

525
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: but if something were to go wrong in one of

526
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: the next three seasons, that's not great, and you know

527
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: that's how you wind up in salary cap troubles. So

528
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 1: just watching what's happened with running back over the last

529
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,719
Speaker 1: twelve months around the league, it's definitely concerning. But I

530
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 1: think Zeke is more of the exception than the rule.

531
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: But isn't that kind of why they got Tony? It is,

532
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: Oh no, and I have all the faith. I really

533
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: love Tony Poller. I think he's a capable backup. I'm

534
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: excited to see what he can do. But if Zeke

535
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: is unable to play over the next three seasons at

536
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 1: you know, at the money that he's making full capacity, Yeah,

537
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: you're just you're going to be in trouble when it

538
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: comes to managing your roster, like it's going to hurt

539
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 1: your ability to feel a competent team. So I just

540
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: need Zeke to be healthy until like twenty twenty two

541
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,959
Speaker 1: or three, which I think, like I said, I think

542
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: he can do that. Well, this question is Dave, You've

543
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: already said it, But for Nick and Hamber, how concerned

544
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: are you after seeing what happened with Todd Gurley? How

545
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: concerned are you that the Cowboys have a long term

546
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: deal with a second contract, long term deal with a

547
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: running back. I think that you have to see warning signs,

548
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: and you saw it with Gurley had warning signs when

549
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: he was drafted. You know, he was already had been

550
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: injured and he was dynamic, but he has injury prone

551
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: and he stayed that way as well. With leban Bell,

552
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: you know, he showed you that the contract was going

553
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: to be an issue there and then and then it

554
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: was and he set out and they ended up getting

555
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: rid of him. So um, I just feel like that

556
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: we haven't seen those warning signs yet from Zeke. He's

557
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: got the contract, he's he's one of the highest you know,

558
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: paid offensive players in football. I mean or for a

559
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: skill player and so, and he hasn't really missed any

560
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: games so that the Cowboys you know, on his own.

561
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: So I just feel like he's he's probably you know,

562
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,479
Speaker 1: going to play those three or four years like that,

563
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: and if he could play at a high level, I

564
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: mean that's even better. But he hasn't shown those warning

565
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: signs yet. Yeah, That's what I was about to say too,

566
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: is like he hasn't had any injury through this time.

567
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: The only time that we saw him kind of slowing

568
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: down or like limping a little bit was in twenty

569
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: eighteen when the Cowboys were just giving everything to him,

570
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: and poor guy, they exhausted him. So last year with

571
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: the drafting of Tony Potler and using him in the game,

572
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: I've feel like they were able to balance that out

573
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: a little bit better where Zeke wasn't just being fully

574
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: exhausted by every single play. But as far as injury

575
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: and longevity, I think as of right now, he seems

576
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: like the guy I can definitely endure several years more

577
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: without having to lower his productivity on the field. I

578
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: think part of that too. You gotta remember, like you

579
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Speaker 1: talk about second contracts, and I mean, Gurley is right

580
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: there to compare to and I get that. But to

581
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: Nick's point, he had a degenerative knee issue coming out

582
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: of college, like injuries who were a problem with him

583
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: at Georgia. But when you talk about giving a running

584
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: back a second contract, you're usually talking about twenty six

585
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: twenty seven year old players, and Zeke is not even

586
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: twenty five yet he was remarkably young when he came

587
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: into the league. So I set this on Twitter recently,

588
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: is like, I understand the concern about paying running backs

589
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: in general. I don't think it's a great idea, but

590
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: if you're gonna pay one, Zeke is about as perfect

591
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,479
Speaker 1: a case as there is, and so I get people's

592
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: concerns with it, But in this particular instance, it doesn't.

593
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: It doesn't bother me a whole lot, all right. In

594
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: most instances, when we're doing these these position analysis, we're

595
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Speaker 1: gonna end it with the question of what is the

596
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: biggest reason for optimism with this group? I think I

597
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: can answer that for all of us, that the reason

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00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: that you're optimistic about this group is because you've got Zeke, Elliott,

599
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: and Tony Pollard. There really isn't much else you have

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00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: to say about it. You feel pretty good about where

601
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: those guys are. Anybody disagree with that? Nope? No, all right, good,

602
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Speaker 1: to say, so nice to treat you. And even though

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Speaker 1: it feels weird to talk to we, can you pick

643
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Speaker 1: one up and say, it's so nice to be treated

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Speaker 1: doctor Pepper, so nice to treat you. Back to the Break.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the final segment of the Break. We

646
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Speaker 1: are live. We're not at the s WBC mortgage studios.

647
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Speaker 1: We are at our own individual homes doing shows as

648
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: most people are doing right now, and trying to give

649
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: you guys a little bit of fun here while you're

650
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: working from home. Amber's got a game for us. Amber,

651
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: what do you have? Well, basically the same thing as

652
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: last week, with the exception that we will not make

653
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: it confusing. We're gonna write our answers on the piece

654
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: of papers, show it, and then we'll address the answers

655
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: as needed. Okay, so let's just keep it simple and

656
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: have fun with it. First question, will the Cowboys miss

657
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: Jason Witten on the field? M do we have to

658
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: write this down? Sorry? I know we just said we

659
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: weren't going to confuse it. No, you don't need to.

660
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: I think we can answer this when just outright I

661
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: would say no, and that is I think they may

662
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: miss miss him off the field. I think they him

663
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: and missus leadership. I think it may be a little

664
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: weird if they should happen to match up in well

665
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: in the preseason doesn't really matter, but it would have

666
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: to be in the playoffs. But if they should happen

667
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: to match up with the Raiders, I think it may

668
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: feel a little weird to Cowboys fans and maybe even

669
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: to his former teammates. But I think just from a

670
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: standpoint of the play, honestly, I think that last year

671
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: what we saw from Jason was a couple of really

672
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: really nice plays. I think about that touchdown player, that

673
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: play that was kind of back shoulder phenomenal played by him.

674
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: But by and large, I think his play was average,

675
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: if you want to be honest about it. And so

676
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think they're necessarily going to

677
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: miss him on the field. I think there will be

678
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: other guys that should be able to step up. I

679
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: love the signing of Blake Bell. From the standpoint of

680
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: a blocking tight end, I think they're going to get

681
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: more from him than they've probably gotten as a block.

682
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: As a blocker from any tight end, they've had over

683
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: the last several years, so I don't think they'll necessarily

684
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: miss him. I think there are ways to answer everything

685
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: that he would have done for them this year. Yeah,

686
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: I think they'll miss him. You just said he was average,

687
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: and they don't have an average tight ends right now

688
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 1: on the roster, or they don't have anything above average

689
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: on the roster. So until I see somebody above average

690
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: on the roster, then I would say that, yeah, they

691
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: will miss him. From a standpoint of one to three

692
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: on the tight ends, that the three tight ends that

693
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,439
Speaker 1: will roll out there, I don't think they're better right now.

694
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: But you know, maybe they draft someone. Maybe maybe those

695
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: guys will show that they that they are. But as

696
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: of right now, I don't think that the three tight

697
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: ends that they have or are better than the three

698
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: tight ends they had last year. You want to break

699
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: the tie, Yeah, I don't. I don't know. I mean,

700
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: I'm with Derek, I don't. I don't think they'll really

701
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 1: miss him that much. I can't say that Blake Jarwin

702
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: is definitively better than Jason Witten right now, but I

703
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: will gladly roll the dice on the upside because you

704
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: talk about athleticism, downfield, playmaking ability, run after catch. You know,

705
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: we talked about this, you know last time when when

706
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: we were talking about them resigning him. He has the

707
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: potential to grow into a playmaker. And you know, Jason

708
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: Witten's going to the Hall of Fame. He was a

709
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: great player. But he's not going to get better than

710
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: what we saw, Like he's only going to continue to

711
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: decline as he gets older. I'll gladly roll with the upside.

712
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: I think they'll be just fine. All right, all right,

713
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: next question, which team or player do you hate playing

714
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: against the most? Any player or team that you hate

715
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: seeing the Cowboys playing against the most? I mean, how

716
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: could it not be Aaron Rodgers? Right, No, I'm serious.

717
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: I mean he just with the with the lone exception

718
00:37:55,560 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: of the twenty sixteen regular season, he just breaks their

719
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: heart every freaking time they play. And he doesn't even

720
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: he doesn't even always have to have a great game,

721
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: like in twenty fifteen it was James Starks and Eddie

722
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: Lacey just ran all over him. But like Rogers record

723
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: against the Cowboys is ridiculous, and you throw in two

724
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: playoff losses and that's all she wrote. He's the current

725
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: version of Randy Moss even though yeah, the Cowboys, well yeah,

726
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 1: the Cowboys did have two chances to draft him actually

727
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: and didn't, So I don't I don't know if they

728
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: you know, he ever you know used that against them,

729
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, the Cowboys could have drafted him, I guess

730
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: in two thousand and five. But Randy Moss uh never

731
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: lost to the Cowboys, and Aaron Rodgers is only, like

732
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: Day said, only lost the one game, maybe two games.

733
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: But I think I think he's seven and two. I

734
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: think it's or eight and two. It's definitely a lot

735
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: too a little right, I'll say this, I'll throw in

736
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: this one. I think Aaron Rodgers is definitely the answer.

737
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: But if I had to have a second choice, it

738
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: would be the Saints in New Orleans. Like, I absolutely

739
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: hate going to New Orleans to play the Saints. That's

740
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 1: that seems like it's never fun, Like it's just there

741
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: have been a couple of games that the Cowboys come

742
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: out victorious, but I just I hate I hate going

743
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,959
Speaker 1: to that place to play just because it's just bad things.

744
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: When you start hearing that song that they play, you

745
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: know it's not going good for your team. So I

746
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: just I'm out on the on the New Orleans trip

747
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: took place. You know, they're actually gonna play at a

748
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: place this year that they've never won in Baltimore. I mean,

749
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: there hasn't been a lot of games there. Yeah, but

750
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: that's a good team too. Yeah, yeah, they have not Yeah,

751
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: they have not won there at that stadium. So I

752
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: believe owen three. Um, so that'll be that'll be one

753
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: of the road trips this year on the AFC. I

754
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 1: guess Cincinnati being the other one, which you know, that'll

755
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: be interesting too if they if they you know, have

756
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: the number one pick with Joe Burrow. I hear he's

757
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: pretty good. I mean I've been it's all right, it's

758
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,439
Speaker 1: what I've been told. That's what I've been told, Dave.

759
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: I just want to know if you're gonna run him

760
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: down in his locker room and just to talk to

761
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: him or something. I don't know. I know people, can

762
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: you sign my tattoo? Can you sign my tattoo? I'm

763
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: gonna shart choice this thing and make him side your

764
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: glove or something like that. I am a professional in

765
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 1: every sense of I would never do that. Okay, okay,

766
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: on that note, all right, yea with all the changes

767
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 1: and the unknown. On a scale one to ten, ten

768
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: being the highest, how good do you project this oh

769
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: line to be in twenty twenty mm so ten being

770
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: the highest? How good do you project this offensive line

771
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: to be this year? M I'm gonna say seven. I

772
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 1: think seven is a yeah. Seven is a really good answer.

773
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: Maybe sixty, yeah, because I think they'll be above average.

774
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: Five is average, right, I think they're gonna be a

775
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,919
Speaker 1: little bit above average, but all up in nine or ten?

776
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: Have they ever been ten? I mean have they Have

777
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: you ever called them at ten? I mean I don't

778
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: think at ten. A nine maybe and fourteen sixteen, maybe

779
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: not at ten, but they were pretty damn close. Okay, Yeah,

780
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: I mean that being said, I would say seven with

781
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: the chance to get to eight. You know, these guys

782
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: are older. They and they show that they're older. I mean,

783
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: Zach Martin's missing in practice because of a back injury,

784
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: Tyran Smith. You know, it looks like Derek sometimes with

785
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: his elbow. I mean, like I just think that my

786
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: elbow is fine. Yeah. I just feel like that they

787
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: have gotten a little bit younger, sound like they're completely older.

788
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: They're getting younger, and when they keep drafting. You know,

789
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: some of these guards and McGovern and Connor Williams and

790
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: you know this guys can step up. You know they

791
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: have a chance of maybe eight, but I would say

792
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: seven probably. Sorry, So let's let's say that with the

793
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: inexperience of the younger guys, plus maybe some injuries that

794
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: could happen to these veteran guys. How much do you

795
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: think that any kind of change right there could really

796
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: affect Dak Prescott in his game? I think I think

797
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: Dak has kind of evolved into that kind of player too,

798
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: where maybe he can start holding his own a little

799
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: bit more. Yeah, I think that the biggest thing that's

800
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: going to affect BAC would be the center position. And

801
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 1: you know, he did have his best season last year

802
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: in terms of stats when Travis Frederick came back. I

803
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: don't know if that's a coincidence or not, but but

804
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: I do think that that Frederick's awareness was was a

805
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: big factor and that that helps. I mean, when you

806
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: have the anchor of your line making the calls, that's

807
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: going to take some of the pressure off of Dak.

808
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: So whoever the center is, if it's Joe Looney, whoever

809
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: it is, that you know that he's got big shoes

810
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: to fill, and I think that's the one position that

811
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 1: will affect Dak Prescott. And then also if the left

812
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: tackle doesn't play, that affects them too, because we saw

813
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: there was a game in Atlanta a couple of years

814
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: ago when Tyran Swift didn't play, and I think Dak's

815
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: back felt it the next probably the next rescue games

816
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: of the season. Yeah, you know, Nick, I'll say this though.

817
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: I mean the fact that Dak and Joe Looney have

818
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: been through this before two years ago when when Zack,

819
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: when Travis was out, they had to go through this,

820
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: and so I think they should be better prepared. If

821
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: Looney is the guy that actually steps up into this position,

822
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,919
Speaker 1: I think they should be better prepared this time going

823
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 1: around and should be better than they were then because

824
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: they've had that experience of doing that and they have

825
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: been able to grow from it. So yeah, I know

826
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: that it's it wasn't and I shouldn't say it because

827
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: it certainly wasn't bad. I don't think two years ago.

828
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: I just think that it wasn't as good as what

829
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: you were seeing with Travis Frederick. I think that at

830
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: this point my expectation at least is they should be

831
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: able to step up and be much better than they

832
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: were back then, because it's this is their second go

833
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: a round. I want to throw this out there. In

834
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen with Joe Looney in the lineup, Joe Looney

835
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: played great, They were fine. They gave up fifty six sacks,

836
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 1: which was second in the league. Just an impossibly high number.

837
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: Can't sustain winning football giving up that many sacks, which

838
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: is ironically they made the playoffs whatever. They dropped all

839
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: the way to twenty three last year. And you can't

840
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: convince me that a post guion bare syndrome Travis Frederick

841
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: was the difference in thirty four sacks. There's just no way,

842
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 1: my point, because by the way, he didn't play his

843
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: best football last year. No, that's my point, Like, this

844
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: isn't this isn't all pro Travis Frederick. This was above

845
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: average Travis Frederick. Like, there's no way that that's the

846
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: difference in thirty plus sex And my point, some of

847
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: it's gonna be on Dak And I think he got

848
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: a lot better last year. I think John Kitten that

849
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: helped him with his decision making, being more asserted in

850
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: the pocket. Hopefully that keeps up with Doug nus Meyer

851
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: as the quarterback coach. Kelly Moore is still there, so

852
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: I expect it will be. But I think a lot

853
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 1: of that's gonna be on Dak to help the offensive lineout,

854
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: and I think he's gotten better at that, as evidenced

855
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: by the dramatic drop last year. Okay, real quick, what

856
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: is your favorite jersey number? Okay, so, I mean my

857
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: favorite number is just a yeah. I mean I would

858
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: say fourteen is my favorite number. But like, you can't

859
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: beat like, you can't beat eighty eight on a wide

860
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: receiver in football. It's just so badass. And I like

861
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 1: that's not even Cowboys bias. It just looks awesome in general.

862
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: All Right, Nick, you said too, I like to I

863
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: this times back to Deon Sanders. I. You know, I

864
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: just when Dion was wearing number two in college, I

865
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: thought that was the coolest thing. And you know, a

866
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: lot of people like to wear number one, but I

867
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: think two is cool, especially like in football, but yeah,

868
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: I guess even in basketball too. I just think it's

869
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: it's a it's a cool number. So yeah, I've always, honestly,

870
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: I've always been partial to number one on a jersey.

871
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: I think it looks really cool. And watching Warren moon

872
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 1: for years with the Oilers as number one that kind

873
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: of jaded me a bit. Even when I played football

874
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: in high school, I war number one just because of

875
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: war moon Wards, so I thought, I think number one school.

876
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 1: I love number one all right. Now, in a percentage scale,

877
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 1: one are the real chances of the Cowboys drafting and

878
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 1: wide receiver in the first round. So what we want

879
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: or what we think, what you think the Cowboys will do,

880
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: not what we want all right? Percentage wise, realistically, I

881
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: would put it at like a twenty to twenty five

882
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: percent chance, because I really do think it could be

883
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: a scenario where the best receiver available is a lot better.

884
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: You know, do you want a ready made starter at

885
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 1: receiver or a guy that's kind of a project anywhere else?

886
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: And so that's what gives me pause. But all things

887
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: like if it's even close, if it's even remotely close,

888
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: I think the front office wants a defender. So I

889
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: don't think it's that realistic, but I think there is

890
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: a chance. Yeah, I agree with that thought process, but

891
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: I put the percentage around fifteen percent because I think

892
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: they will convince themselves that that defender is on par

893
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: with that receiver. But I do agree with you. I

894
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: think I think there's a possibility you might be able

895
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: to get the top receiver, depending on what flavor of

896
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: receiver you like the most. I think you may be

897
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 1: able to get one of those top guys at seventeen.

898
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: And to me, the value of that is is better

899
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: then say, you know, one of the other guys at

900
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: one of those defensive positions that may be a good player,

901
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 1: but isn't as as great a player as maybe one

902
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: of those top receivers. Yeah, I think it's closer to

903
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 1: forty actually, because that's so that's what you guys just said. Though,

904
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: it's because of the value. I think that's where you're

905
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: going to get your value. And then and if some

906
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 1: of these defenders are off the board, you know, if

907
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: if the value is there of a seeding Lamb or

908
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: I don't know Jerry Judy will go that low, but

909
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: he might. I mean, you know who knows. Um, you know,

910
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: they do have a spot. I mean, three receivers is

911
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: important in any offense. That's just the way it's gone now.

912
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: And they only have two that they can really count on.

913
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: Right now. So, um, I think it's started with that

914
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: being said. While you're saying, Nick, regardless, you're saying there

915
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: is a forty percent chance, regardless of what they have

916
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 1: already invested at the wide receiver position, with Amari Cooper

917
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: resigning him and then having what you have with my

918
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: called Gallop and his development. Yeah, but I mean Gallop

919
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: two years for two more years for Gallop, three years

920
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 1: for Cooper. I mean, I still think and the fact

921
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: that that your third receiver is going to play lit

922
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 1: it just comes down to value. And I think because

923
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: it's so heavy of receivers this year, I think that

924
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: when they sit there at seventeen and they look at

925
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: their board and they go who's there, they're like, dang,

926
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: these three receivers are are really really good. I think

927
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: they're gonna either they trade back because of those great

928
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: receivers or they take one, which keep it keep in mind,

929
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: a g name the next best receiver on the team

930
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: after Gallup, Like that's an awesome starting too. Let's see.

931
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, name the next one, because it's no

932
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: that's it. This reminds me a little bit of what

933
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 1: Atlanta did. I think a couple of years ago when

934
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: they had Julio Jones, they had snow and then they

935
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: didn't really you know, you didn't really have to draft

936
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley, but he was there. And now I'm sure

937
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: that they're glad that they did, you know, because they

938
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily need him, but they but they picked him.

939
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: So I could see that happening. Hey, Dave, Yes, I

940
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: got one for you. Okay. Des Bryant. A lot of

941
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: people keep asking about him coming back to the Cowboys.

942
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought I thought we did this back

943
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: at the Combine. I just I don't see it. I

944
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: don't like he doesn't he doesn't feel the role that

945
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: they need, Like they need more of a slot guy.

946
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 1: I know, like he's done that, but it's not his

947
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: forete by any stretch. He's thirty two coming off in Achilles.

948
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 1: Does he have the explosiveness you want from a starting receiver.

949
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: That's and I think for the most part, people that

950
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: want Dez back are talking about, like let him come

951
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: in as the fourth guy and play in the red

952
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: zone and you know, maybe he gets fifteen snaps a game. Fine,

953
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: Like for I still don't see that happening. But like

954
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: we're talking about a guy that can play starting snaps,

955
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: you know, sixty five seventy five percent of the snaps

956
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: every week. I just don't don't think I buyed it.

957
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 1: Des is that guy? Yeah, I mean either. But here's

958
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: another question for you guys, this one you're gonna enjoy.

959
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 1: If you have to root for another college team, who

960
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: would you root for? Who would we root for? It

961
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 1: can't be anybody in the SEC. That was easy for me. Actually,

962
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: now I think about it, It's New Mexico because my

963
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 1: nephew plays there, So yeah, i'd be New Mexico. You

964
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: root for them anyways, I know. But we're saying I

965
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: assume she's saying other than your school, right, right? School?

966
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: What's another die hard? I mean I talk about invested

967
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: because in three or four years you probably won't root

968
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 1: for them as much. So who is your die hard?

969
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: Who are you gonna wear a sweatshirt with four on

970
00:51:55,200 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: Friday afternoon? Like? What other school? No? One? Oh? I

971
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: mean you got like five schools, Nick, So it's a

972
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: little different for you. I've got five schools you root for.

973
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: I got two. I've got two that I root for.

974
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, okay, and that's how many games both

975
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: of them won last year, so you know, I would

976
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: say Notre Dame. Huh, that's I mean, I've always liked

977
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: You're playing next year, That's that's really interesting. I would

978
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: like to I would like to be there if that

979
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: has happened. You're gonna wear the split jersey? No, no,

980
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: it's not like that. I mean, I liked Rudy. That

981
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: was it, you know. I mean, you know, but I'm

982
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: not gonna split the jersey. You know. But I'm just

983
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: saying I could, I could, you know, root for that.

984
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: I don't hate them, you know, like a lot of people,

985
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: it's like love or hate. I don't really hate them.

986
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: That would be a team I guess I could could

987
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: pull for it. I'd probably say I'd probably say Wisconsin.

988
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: I got a lot of family up there, so I

989
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: know a lot of people that root for them anyway.

990
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: You know, great, you know, they they win, They've gone

991
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 1: to the Rose Bowl a bunch of times the last

992
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: twenty years. Great running backs, Russell Wilson, Camp Randall's an

993
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: awesome stadium. Yeah, I could root for Wisconsin. Get another

994
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: tat two on the other arm, Yeah, I get that

995
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: w I get the w over here my tiger, all right,

996
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 1: last question. This one's kind of easy. Um, what position

997
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: do you feel that has been upgraded the most during

998
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: this free agency upgrade? I think it has to be

999
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle position, right, I mean, that's where they

1000
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: spent most of their resources at this point. Yeah, yeah,

1001
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: I mean, are you sure it's an upgrade? I mean,

1002
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 1: I think I think what they have right now is

1003
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: better than what they had last year. Now, whether how

1004
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: high you want to think that goes, I don't know.

1005
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: I mean that that may speak to the quality or

1006
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: the level that they were at last year, but I

1007
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: think they're better off this year than they were last

1008
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: year at that position, at those two positions defensive tackle,

1009
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 1: I think, I agree. I mean, but I like, I don't,

1010
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: you know, talking about how they were bad against the

1011
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: run in Carolina last year. Like, I don't think it's

1012
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: this crazy improvement, but I just think it speaks to

1013
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: like right now, I just I don't feel that optimistic

1014
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: that this team is better than it was last year.

1015
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: So if I had to pick a spot, i'd probably play, say,

1016
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. Yeah, I don't. I think you're right, Dave,

1017
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: because you've got two positions that they have not upgraded.

1018
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 1: I mean they've actually downgraded at cornerback and defensive end,

1019
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 1: so you can make the argument for defensive tackle. I

1020
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: mean probably, so safety is probably a wash kicker. It's

1021
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: hard to say that right now because I mean, four

1022
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 1: Bat didn't miss when he was here, so it's hard

1023
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: to say that he's going to be completely better tight end.

1024
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 1: You don't know, receiver. They actually lost the third receiver

1025
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: right now, so that's it. I don't think this is

1026
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: a better football team than it was last year right now.

1027
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys honestly think that, you guys honestly

1028
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: think that Antoine Woods and Malie Collins are better than

1029
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: Poe and McCoy. No, I just don't think that. I

1030
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: don't know that it's like that dramatic of an upgrade.

1031
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: I think I think Carlins is probably a better player.

1032
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a better player like across the board

1033
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: for the NFL than maybe those two. I don't know

1034
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: about from a scheme fit standpoint, But well, what gives

1035
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: you that impress I mean we've only seen him in

1036
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: this scheme, so is that just kind of your your

1037
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: thoughts on what you think he can be in another scheme?

1038
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: Because he's going to the same scheme now going to

1039
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: open with Rod. So what you know, what I don't

1040
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: know is I don't know his money. I don't. I

1041
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: don't really remember. It was kind of it took a

1042
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 1: long time for that money to come out. So what

1043
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: they pay, Yeah, Malik got a one year like five

1044
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: four or five million, He got a proven deal. He

1045
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: really didn't get a whole lot. M I just think then, no,

1046
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:53,959
Speaker 1: I agree with you. Yeah, I don't think the league

1047
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: values him very much by seeing by what happened in

1048
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,760
Speaker 1: free agency. I think it's I think it's his injury,

1049
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 1: his stree. Honestly, he's you know, he's had foot injuries

1050
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: for the vast majority of his career. I agree with you,

1051
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: Derek that the defensive tackle the starting two is better

1052
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: than it was, But I don't think it is by

1053
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: this like astronomical margin, Like I mean, you know, don

1054
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: Tari Poe, like these are these are guys that are

1055
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,240
Speaker 1: closer to the end of their career than the beginning.

1056
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:30,720
Speaker 1: I like, you know, this isn't twenty twelve Gerald McCoy.

1057
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: I still think he can be effective, don't get me wrong,

1058
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: but I just I'm not convinced that this is a drastic,

1059
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: drastic upgrade. Yeah, and I agree with that. Honestly, I

1060
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: think time will tell how much of an upgrade it is.

1061
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: I think it's an upgrade. I just don't know how much.

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00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: And I think it also depends on what these coaches

1063
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: can get out of those two players. That's going to

1064
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: tell you how much it is. So that's what we

1065
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: can't tell. But I think if you're just looking at

1066
00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: just the raw talent of the player, I think, to me,

1067
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 1: I don't think it's even a question that they have

1068
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: better caliber players at those two defensive tackle positions than

1069
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: they had last year. The only reason I'm drawn more

1070
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: to that position, defensive tackle, is just because they've gone

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00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: in two bodies out of this free agency. Other than that,

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00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: there's if it was just one guy. Honestly, I don't

1073
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: feel like that gives me much excitement for the position.

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00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: But the fact that at least they signed two bodies

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00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: to add to the roster, that's the only reason I

1076
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: would lean more towards that being an upgrade at this point. Yeah,

1077
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: and quite frankly, I still think the defensive line is

1078
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: worse off. I know that sounds like I'm talking out

1079
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: of both sides. Of my mouth. But the fact that

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00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: they lost Robert Quinn to me, is bigger than the

1081
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: addition of those two guys relative to the defensive tackles

1082
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: that were that were there before. So for me, this

1083
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: all hinges on what are they going to do with

1084
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: defensive end, either in the draft or in the remainder

1085
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: of free agency. That's going to replace the production that

1086
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn gave them. So if they don't do that,

1087
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: they don't replace that, and they're expecting that one of

1088
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: the guys on the current roster is going to be

1089
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: that guy, then I think they'll go into next year

1090
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: with the worst defensive line than they had last year.

1091
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: I guarantee there are people watching this right now screaming saying,

1092
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: how can you not say safety because they firmly believe that. Haha.

1093
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: Clinton Dix is a better player than Jeff Heath. But

1094
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: I don't think we know that yet. Yeah, I was

1095
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: gonna say, I don't know if I that's one of

1096
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: the areas we're talking about how Dave looked at defensive tackle.

1097
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: That's kind of how I look at safety. I think

1098
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: he might be better. Yeah, Honestly, there have been suggestions

1099
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: from things I've seen that suggests he might not be

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00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: He might be the same guy. Like he may just

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00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: frustrate you in different ways than Jeff Heath would frustrate you. Right, So,

1102
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a better player. Maybe it is,

1103
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: maybe it isn't, don't Yeah, I think a jury is

1104
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