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Speaker 1: within the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Fresco,

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys like DDE Lambs again now your host, Kyle Yeomans.

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Speaker 1: We are just sixteen days away, sixteen short days away.

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Speaker 1: We've got about four or five more episodes of the

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Speaker 1: Draft Show prior to the twenty twenty one NFL Draft

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Speaker 1: once again April twenty nine in Cleveland, Ohio. So glad

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Speaker 1: you're with us here over the next hour as we

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Speaker 1: break down some more draft talk, and we've continued this

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Speaker 1: for what is now thirty five episodes of the Draft

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Speaker 1: Show this year. So glad you've been along on this

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Speaker 1: journey with us. Kyle Yeoman's alongside Kevin, Katie Turner, We've

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Speaker 1: got Jeff Cavn, and then Bucky Brooks is on the way.

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Speaker 1: Of course, Bucky Brooks big time with the NFL network,

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Speaker 1: so we're on his schedule whenever it comes to him

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Speaker 1: joining our show. We love Bucky and we will see

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Speaker 1: him coming up here. Just a couple of moments, but

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Speaker 1: a lot of exciting at least for Draft nerds talk.

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Speaker 1: Today because we're gonna get into the nitty gritty. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna get into some day three guys to talk about,

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Speaker 1: and we're also going to talk about maybe even the

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Speaker 1: new age of scouting. But overall, Jeff, I mean, we're

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Speaker 1: getting into the final couple weeks here. If you had

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Speaker 1: pro days, those are in the rearview mirror. You've pretty

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Speaker 1: much done all of these interviews. What's the most stressful

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Speaker 1: I think for me it would probably be just when

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Speaker 1: start really drilling down. Like for me, when I watch tape,

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Speaker 1: I have Caleb Farley as cornerback eight wow, because I

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Speaker 1: just you know that, to me, that is the challenge.

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Speaker 1: The medical part is the challenge. Like when somebody gives

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Speaker 1: I think Jeff hit on it pretty good like the medicals.

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Speaker 1: to the final day of the NFL Draft, going all

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Speaker 1: You're talking about like six to five and two sixty

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Speaker 1: and watching the length that they have play and you're

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Speaker 1: watching the power play. I like those guys. Chauncey Golston

432
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Speaker 1: at Iowa six five, two seventy, Like, there's a lot

433
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Speaker 1: of these edge guys that I feel like because there's

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Speaker 1: not a lot of snap to their game in terms of,

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Speaker 1: oh he's really going to turn the corner on you,

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Speaker 1: or oh he's really got he ran six eight three cone.

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Speaker 1: But these guys that are sort of steady, power length,

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Speaker 1: those kind of players, I feel like those are the

439
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Speaker 1: kind of guys that maybe they could get into rotation

440
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Speaker 1: on your NFL team early and they're gonna stick around

441
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Speaker 1: and they're going to last in the NFL because that's

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Speaker 1: part of the league. So even though you're missing the

443
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Speaker 1: massive upside with the athleticism, like it's almost like a

444
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Speaker 1: budget Peyton Turner. I guess Houston's Peyton Turner will probably

445
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Speaker 1: go earlier than these guys because he's huge, and his

446
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 1: athletic testing was great, and he's got production. But I

447
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Speaker 1: think that there's I think that there's a few other

448
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Speaker 1: guys that can man the edge for you that if

449
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Speaker 1: they start falling into the fourth and fifth round. I

450
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Speaker 1: like him johncy Golston, Kando, Genarius Robinson, and even Ogan

451
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Speaker 1: Deji at Notre Dame. Oh, I was about to bring

452
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Speaker 1: his talking about sort of a length and power player. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I like him a lot. I mean, like you said, length,

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Speaker 1: the power, the size. He's a senior bowld guy. He

455
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Speaker 1: was a guy that had Notre Dame kind of stuck

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Speaker 1: out from the pack a little bit at least in

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Speaker 1: my mind whenever watching their tape. But I liked him

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Speaker 1: a lot. Oh, I haven't gotten his pronunciation yet. How

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Speaker 1: did you say that Jeff Ohgun did g Oh, I

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Speaker 1: just took a while. I just took a while to

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Speaker 1: swing it and went, Ogan dog, Okay, I'll just take

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Speaker 1: a shot at it. Yeah, I'm not I'm not afraid.

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Speaker 1: I've got a couple of small Kando owners. How about this? Oh,

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Speaker 1: I actually Katt go with Kane Doe real quick, well,

465
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Speaker 1: real quick, I said, Kane Dolo is kind of my

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Speaker 1: Lenor of the the edge guys, because Kando is a

467
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Speaker 1: guy who was, you know, better off early in his career,

468
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Speaker 1: a very highly touted prospect and just didn't it just

469
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Speaker 1: didn't work down the stretch at Florida State for whatever reason.

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Speaker 1: So Lenoran Kandoe to me, I've kind of thinking about

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Speaker 1: those guys in the same way, highly touted prospects who

472
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Speaker 1: just had a good career early on it just kind

473
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Speaker 1: of faded away through their college career. Kane Doe is

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Speaker 1: a guy who I really do like. I think overall, now,

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Speaker 1: a couple of small school corners, one of which I

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Speaker 1: know you already liked, Jeff because of the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Actually both of these guys went to the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 1: But Robert Rochelle out of Central Arkansas. How about a

479
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Speaker 1: zero star recruit that came in and was locked down

480
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Speaker 1: during his time in Mobile. Then Brian Mills transferred to

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Speaker 1: North Carolina's Central from the College of the Canyons, another

482
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Speaker 1: zero star recruit who was kind of a lockdown corner

483
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Speaker 1: and cover one during his time playing for North Carolina's Central.

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Speaker 1: Both of them decent in terms of corner length. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're not going to jump off the page, but they're quick,

486
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Speaker 1: they are sticky in coverage. Jeff, I know you like Rochelle.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen Brian Mills as well. I've only seen

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Speaker 1: these guys from Senior Bowl stuff. Yeah. I mean if

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Speaker 1: Bucky is if Bucky's holding out on this Rochelle all

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Speaker 1: twenty two and he wants to shut a little over,

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Speaker 1: I know Bucky. I know Bucky has the plug. If

492
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Speaker 1: anybody's watching and has that Rochelle twenty two, I need it.

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Speaker 1: He's one of the few guys I haven't seen. I've

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Speaker 1: got a Jeff. Here's here's what I tell Yeah, here's

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Speaker 1: what I tell you about Rochelle. And here's what is important.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes when you dig in the background. The fact that

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Speaker 1: Rochelle was third in the state and one hundred meters

498
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: at Louisiana the time is ten eight. What that gives

499
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Speaker 1: you is like, what you're trying to do is we

500
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Speaker 1: talk about trying to find these these traits, these redeemable qualities.

501
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: So he's probably a guy like at his pro day,

502
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Speaker 1: four threes, four fours in that range. And then when

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Speaker 1: you look at the fact that he has all of

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Speaker 1: these plays on the ball, so twenty five career breakups,

505
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Speaker 1: he has ten interceptions, and typically the way that it

506
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: goes down, guys who get their hands on the ball

507
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Speaker 1: and college also get their hands on the ball and

508
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Speaker 1: the pros and so depending upon the style of play,

509
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Speaker 1: and if we're talking about Dallas specifically, you have to

510
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Speaker 1: find guys who are comfortable being nose to nose playing

511
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Speaker 1: because dan Quinn is going to ask those guys to

512
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Speaker 1: do nose to noose things, even though it's a hybrid

513
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Speaker 1: covered three defense. And so Rochelle was certainly fit in there.

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Speaker 1: I know we have this thought with the Cowboys that hey,

515
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Speaker 1: they want everyone that's six three and stuff like that

516
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Speaker 1: because of the Richard Sherman. But they played with guys

517
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Speaker 1: that are five ten. They played with guys that are

518
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Speaker 1: six foot or whatever. He taps in at like sixty one,

519
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: which is certainly long enough. Anytime you can find a

520
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Speaker 1: big quarter that can run even in a straight line,

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Speaker 1: he is going to give a chance. You take chances

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Speaker 1: you an opportunity to cover some of those top receivers. Also,

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Speaker 1: like another another name I want to throw out there.

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Speaker 1: I know we probably need to go to break soon, Kyle, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: another guy I just like watched late It's Elijah Griffin

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Speaker 1: from USC. I'm always down to draft a guy who's

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Speaker 1: the son of Warren g and the nephew of doctor Drane.

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Speaker 1: I like this question a lot because he says, which

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Speaker 1: prospects are the media and the scouts? Furthest Apart on

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Speaker 1: We'll start that with Bucky since I guess you're part

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Speaker 1: of the biggest media outlet that we have here sitting

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Speaker 1: at the table. But what's the biggest difference in media

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Speaker 1: and scouts right now? Gosh, I want to say the

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Speaker 1: quarterback stuff, like the quarterback stuff with the guys after

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Speaker 1: Trevor Laws, like the Zach Wilson, Mac Jones, Trey Lance

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Speaker 1: justin field stuff. I think that conversation has spired us

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Speaker 1: so far out of control because everyone wants to be

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Speaker 1: right when it comes to the mock drafting stuff. That

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Speaker 1: the stuff that I hear internally with teams and the

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Speaker 1: fights that I have on Twitter is so crazy. And

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Speaker 1: I think mac Jones is the one because like the

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Speaker 1: mac Jones conversation is really so polarizing in terms of

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Speaker 1: like you can appreciate and recognize what he did at Alabama,

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Speaker 1: but then you also can be like, man, I just

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Speaker 1: still don't see him as like that guy. And you

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Speaker 1: have some scouts that are like, man, I wouldn't take

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Speaker 1: that guy in the first round, and you have others

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Speaker 1: who like rave about him and I think he's the

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00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,959
Speaker 1: next coming of Tom Brady or whatever. And it's just

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Speaker 1: such a divide. And because scouts have been separate and

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Speaker 1: apart for pretty much the entire year, you don't have

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Speaker 1: think tank, which is great, but it also leads to

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Speaker 1: more volatility. So I think when we finally get the

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Speaker 1: draft night, Draft Knight is going to blow our mind

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Speaker 1: because I don't know if we really know how people

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Speaker 1: really view these prospects when it comes to putting them

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Speaker 1: off the board. Jen I couldn't agree more. I think,

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Speaker 1: like Bucky's coming about, like everyone wants to be right

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Speaker 1: on their mocking drafts in the end how many times,

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Speaker 1: And I know there's a few websites that go look

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Speaker 1: at it, but after the draft happens outside of the

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Speaker 1: people who do the bock drafts regularly, how many people

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Speaker 1: even bring it up like this guy was right and

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Speaker 1: this guy was wrong, Like that might come up in

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Speaker 1: inner circles. There's maybe like one aggregator website that keeps

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Speaker 1: those wreck dude, who cares. I'm not thinking about who

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Speaker 1: mocked whoever correctly. Once the draft is done, you know,

625
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: you're you're moving on to the next stage of building

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Speaker 1: your team. So like I do think that's very very interesting.

627
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: And you know, another player I want to throw out

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Speaker 1: there is you know, I mean, it's it's weird when

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Speaker 1: you talk about like media because I don't always follow

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Speaker 1: like a ton of media when it comes to this stuff,

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Speaker 1: Like you get your people that you follow kind of

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Speaker 1: and then you're kind of like, you know, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of stuff I kind of blow out when I'm

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00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: tracking the draft. Um but like I did see like

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00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. Um uh, guy, let's I don't know

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Speaker 1: what his title is, but as Jim Naggy, what the

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Speaker 1: director executive director? Yeah, director, Yeah, that's the word I'm

638
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: looking for. And he had this big tweet about Divine

639
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Speaker 1: Diablo talking about him going in you know on day

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641
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Speaker 1: but I didn't necessarily see him as a guy who

642
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: would be a you know, I know he's your guy.

643
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: I know he's your guy. I know he's your guy.

644
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: But I had executively see Divine Diablo as a top

645
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: one hundred player. This year's drag full there, lay full there.

646
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: So you know, well, we'll see in your door and

647
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: talk bad about the things in your life. Do I

648
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: don't do that? Okay, so let's just you can. Oh,

649
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: let's just be cool about Dio player. Everybody is so

650
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: thrown off because he's a two hundred and thirty pounds safety.

651
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: It's not his fault that he's able to carry that

652
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: weight and silver in a four four. Why don't you

653
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: back off a little bit, my guys staying two player

654
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: William alone. Just don't make him cover and he's fine.

655
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: Just don't make him cover. Who made that up? I did?

656
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: Stop making stuff up. It's like justin fields one right thing.

657
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 1: Don't pretend my guy can't cover. My guy can cover.

658
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: You chill out on to buy Diablo given to me.

659
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: You don't need him, you don't deserve him. I don't

660
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: want him. What are some of the guys at least,

661
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: that you think that the scouts in the media are

662
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: furthest apart on, Well, I would like to take this

663
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: opportunity to admit to the world that it took me

664
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: a long time to get a hold of twenty twenty

665
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: USC tape and um, like, I think that this topic

666
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: is really tough because I don't really know how NFL

667
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: teams feel about these players, and honestly, I don't care

668
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: how media feels about these players. I think if you

669
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: watch these guys, then what other people think shouldn't matter.

670
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 1: Like KAT can honestly feel how every once about a player,

671
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: and I will, and it doesn't bother me in the

672
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: slightest And however they turn out, his however they turn out.

673
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: But I think the narrative seems to be that Pinay

674
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: Soul is the crown jewel of the offensive line class.

675
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you, I actually think three guys

676
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: belong in that conversation, and I know that Bucky is

677
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: onto one of them because I saw him in a

678
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: mock draft and I was like, Oh, that's interesting. And

679
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: then I watched the twenty twenty tape of Elijah Vera

680
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: Tucker and as I'm watching it and I'm tweeting about it,

681
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: people are wait till you get to organ and he

682
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: gets destroyed, And I'm like, I'm actually three quarters of

683
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: the way through Oregon and all my notes are about

684
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: how good he is. So I don't know who created

685
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: this narrative. They're like, he got his butt kicked against

686
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: Oregon because they've got a nice defensive end who got

687
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: around him once. And I'm like, wow, we just people

688
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: just run with whatever somebody told them once upon a time.

689
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: But Pinay Soul, Rashaw Slater, Elijah Vera Tucker, they're all studs,

690
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: and so I wouldn't be surprised if for Shawn Slater's

691
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: the first lineman off the board, like Sewel's an incredible prospect,

692
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: but so is Rashawn Slater and Elijah Vera Tucker. I

693
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: think he's right at their heels. I think that there

694
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: are some studs in this class. So, Jeff, is funny

695
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: you talked about that. I have people on the West

696
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 1: Coast who've told me they ring very Tucher over Piney

697
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: Soul believe he's the best guy on the West. They

698
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: believe he's the best guy on the West coast. And

699
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: then I have others who believe that Pinay Seul is

700
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: a stud that is a twelve year pro and a

701
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: multiple time All Pro because he's three hundred and thirty

702
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: pounds at twenty years of age and he can move

703
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: like a dancing bear on the edge and his best

704
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: football as ahead of him. I think a lot of

705
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: it when it comes to all of those guys, even

706
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: Rashaun Slater, who I think is a technical marvel, may

707
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: not be the nastiest in turn visits playing demeanor and disposition,

708
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: but look from a technical standpoint, he can get it.

709
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: He can get it done. I think all of it

710
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: kind of goes with where they plug and play and fit.

711
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: Because last year, I remember, the conversation was negative a

712
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: little bit on Tristan Worse, and then we go and

713
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 1: fast forward a year later, everyone's raving about how well

714
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: Tristan Worse's played. So a lot of it depends on

715
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: where they go, where they land, and on that line.

716
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: Because the offensive line is so dependent upon the neighborhood

717
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: and the neighbors who's playing to the right and left

718
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: to you, and how do you utilize your help? It matters,

719
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 1: and so I think all three of those guys are good.

720
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: I think Derenshaw can be in the conversations as a

721
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: solid guy. I think Tevin Jenkins from Oklahoma State, depending

722
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: on style of player or whatever. I put Tevin Jenkins

723
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: in Baltimore's offense, I bet he looks like a pro

724
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: bowler right away, just right. So a lot of it is,

725
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: A lot of it is Okay, this is how this

726
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: player plays. Man, what would be a great fit for

727
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: this player in terms of they played the way that

728
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: he wants to play in those things, because that's really

729
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 1: how it comes down to, because that will ultimately determine

730
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: how these guys are. I don't know if any of

731
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: these guys are like the transcendent types, where like the

732
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 1: Walter Jones or the Larry Allen's that it didn't matter

733
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 1: where they played, they're gonna be elite, high level players.

734
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: But I think they're all are very very good, and

735
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: I think they're all are worthy of being in a

736
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: discussion up at the top of the board. I've really

737
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: grown on what Tevin Jenkins brings to the table. Out

738
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: of Oklahoma State. We're showing a ton of highlights of

739
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: him up on the board at the moment, and a man,

740
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: they're just nuts. I mean, he's pretty solid whenever to

741
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: the outside he is. He's a big bully. Okay. So

742
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: we've got four questions to get to here the next

743
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: like seven minutes. So Chris Staff says, outside of Alabama cornerback,

744
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: which position slash college combo with prior success for the

745
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: Cowboys is the most logical for them to tap into

746
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: this draft. And he gave an example because that's kind

747
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: of tough to keep up with. But like Tyler Beattish

748
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: and Travis Frederick position player college combo to where you

749
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: could potentially go and get it. Jeff, you got a guy.

750
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: I gotta Kyle check this out. Man. At least one

751
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: of you is gonna hate this. Maybe on three year

752
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: gonna hate this, Okay, but you know what, I'm sick

753
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: and tired to see him. I'm sick and tired to

754
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: seeing mock draft that have Jalen Waddle going either eleven

755
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: or twelve. You've had a lot of great success with

756
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: a Marii Cooper there, the Alabama receiver that you traded for.

757
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: Why don't you just go ahead and take Jalen Waddle

758
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: so that the Giants or Eagles don't get to do

759
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: it all right, I'm talking to you guys next week.

760
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear it. I gotta go, Yeff,

761
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: I know I love it, but I also love the

762
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: conversation we were just having. How about Tyrann Smith that

763
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: Elijah Vera Tucker? Hey, I having fun? Now, aren't we had?

764
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: Now we're having fun? Can I can? I can? I

765
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: threw granade? Cantade? Did Jeff not just throw some cow

766
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: Some cowboy fans will love it? I hate it? But um,

767
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,439
Speaker 1: how about Notre Dame and a Notre Dame linebacker Jay?

768
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: Like I'm just saying, I mean, since they've had so

769
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: much success with James Smift, why not double dip in

770
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: the Notre Dame pond and allowed Jay? Okay, and that

771
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: a linebacker spot. Yeah, you're talking about a Pro Bowl

772
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: line backer who earned a big second contract. I think

773
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: you try to bark up that tree again. Let's go,

774
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: jk Yeah, you know this sounds like this sounds like

775
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: Captain trade down gets to ride here. If we're picking

776
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: between Bara Tucker and j ok Yeah, let's go. Let's

777
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 1: get down to fifteen with New England and let's see

778
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 1: what happens. Yeah, and Bill clay Born and carry Vincent

779
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: Lsu Wait, okay, we're reaching yeah, trade sermon, Ohio State

780
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: running back? How about we use Tennessee's tight end this year?

781
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: I was gonna say an SEC tight end, Florida's tight end.

782
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: If Kyle Pitts they wear orange, they're in the SEC,

783
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: could maybe throw that in there. And in terms of

784
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: path chets that you have, I know it's totally cheating.

785
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: Good question, Chris. I like that. That's fun. We can

786
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: make a whole Segment's got a guard this year, don't

787
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: they Bay do? Yeah? Old Bank hey with a Notre

788
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: Dame guard. Yeah, I like that. Doug Brady asked how

789
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 1: does the process work for deciding a trade up slash

790
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: trade down? When are those conversations had between teams and

791
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 1: internally who decides or is it a collective decision? Bucky

792
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: probably be the best one to answer that one. You

793
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: start having conversations after your board is said in terms

794
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: of the prospects, and you're beginning to try and figure out, Okay,

795
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: who could be in that cluster or who could be

796
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: in range, or you go through what we call these

797
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: mock draft scenarios. Hey, if these four guys are available,

798
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: like the Cowboys at ten. If these guys are available

799
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: at six, any of them worth us moving up to get?

800
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: If I mean, I don't know who would be in

801
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,439
Speaker 1: this scenario. Okay, let's just use Calipis because Jerry Jones

802
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: talked about him. If Calipiz is suddenly available at seven,

803
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: is it worth talking to the Carolina Panthers or the

804
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: Detroit Lines to get in that range? What would be

805
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 1: willing to give up to get him? Mike McCarthy, If

806
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: we got him, how we utilize and would that make

807
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: us better? Or would sitting and picking past or ten

808
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: make us better? Which guy would make us a better team?

809
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: That's the conversation that you have. And if you can

810
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: convince the decision maker a we're much better team if

811
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: we have cow Pits over Patricks or ten. If we

812
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: can make it happy, let's go make it happy. Let's

813
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: put a phone call. Then, Oh, the phone call was receptive.

814
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: Are we willing to part with whatever it is? Yes?

815
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: Because we will be that much better. Dad could be

816
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: better at the office. Is unstoppable. Yet we don't have

817
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: to worry about stopping the run because now we're hanging

818
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: fifty on them and it doesn't matter. So those conversations

819
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,959
Speaker 1: and then Bucky, do you guys have the same ones

820
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: about potentially trading down. Let's just say i'll drop a

821
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: Cowboys scenario. You're at ten, Patriots want to come and

822
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: get those fifth quarterbacks still available? Do you sit there

823
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: and count on your hand. You're like, okay, but how

824
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 1: many guys are we good with? Because we got to

825
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: get to five, because if we can't get to five,

826
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: we can get fifteen and lose our guys. Yeah, so

827
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: you have to have you have to have you have

828
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: to be comfortable with five guys that you're like, oh, look,

829
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: these five guys are on the board. We're comfortable with

830
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: any of those guys, So yeah, we can move back.

831
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: Or you want to be in a cluster where you're

832
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: fine with whatever's left if somebody does a surprise pick

833
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: ahead of you, or those things. So yes, if there's

834
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: a cluster of guys available, or a cluster of guys

835
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: that are similarly graded, and you're like, yeah, I'm fine,

836
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: we moved down to fifteen, not a problem, We'll pick

837
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 1: up an extra whatever. Yeah, you can make that happen.

838
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: And certainly the Cowboys are going to be in this

839
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: bright in the sweet spot of that conversation. Moving on

840
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: to David Leach's question, I'm gonna start with you on

841
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: this one, Kat, who are some Day three corners that

842
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: might be able to make the move to safety, especially

843
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: if they don't draft a free safety early on. Quinn

844
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: has experienced moving guys like Kazee and Ricardo Allen. So,

845
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: I mean, we saw it last year with Reggie Robinson.

846
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: He was a Day three corner who switched over to safety.

847
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: It didn't necessarily work out, but Dan Quinn's had a

848
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: lot more success with things like that. Do you see

849
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: anybody in that realm in terms of the cornerbacks that

850
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: could potentially make the move. I mean there's a lot

851
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: of guys they think who could do that, But it's

852
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: something that I would like, like push for immediately. Um.

853
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: But there's one name I want to throw out there

854
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: is McPherson, the Texas Tech cornerback, because he has shown

855
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: that he can play both inside and outside. He can

856
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: play man, he can play his own. He's got a

857
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 1: pretty good understanding of what to do, and you don't

858
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: always see that on Texas techs. Uh, you know, got

859
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: a really bad defense. He didn't have a ton of

860
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: help at all times. So it's very hard to you know,

861
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: watch a lot of Texas Tech games and be like, oh, okay,

862
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: there's a there's a guy standing out here. But McPherson

863
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 1: is a pretty good player, um, and he's a guy

864
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,959
Speaker 1: who could maybe move. He's only got a couple of years.

865
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: I mean he transferred Penn State, so I had a

866
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: couple of years at Tech. Again, we're talking deep day

867
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: three though, we're talking like, you know, fourth or fifth

868
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 1: round there with with with Lindzag McPherson. That's a name.

869
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: When I was watching him on tape, is kind of going,

870
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: would he be a guy I can maybe move and

871
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: let him just kind of roam around in center field.

872
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: I think that's the type of guy that I like.

873
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: That's just a name to throw out there because he

874
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: had a lot of ball into a ball. He had

875
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: a lot of ball production last year. Had four interceptions

876
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. In high school, he was insane. He

877
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: had fourteen interceptions in high school. Should be a bit

878
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: of a playmaker and then move from Pitts Safe to

879
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: Tech kind of hurt him, but keep it on. Zach McPherson.

880
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: He's a guy that hasn't been talked about a ton,

881
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,479
Speaker 1: and I think he's a potential guy that you could

882
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: move over to safety. And I think Bucky nailed a

883
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: guy earlier, where Sean Wade. I think with the natural

884
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: name for tips to consider moving to safety, just because

885
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: my theory on safety, and with all due respect to

886
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: anybody out there who's playing safety right this second in

887
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: their car, you can fail your way from corner to safety,

888
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: and I think that might have just happened to Sean Wade,

889
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: whereas an outside corner wasn't work in but you'd seen

890
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: him in the slots, You're like, Okay, is he physical

891
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: enough to be a safety. The athleticism, if you've played corners,

892
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: probably good enough to play safety. Well, what's your spatial

893
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: awareness like? So I think Sean Wade's probably the shot

894
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: in the dark, fourth or fifth round guy where you say,

895
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: maybe we're gonna play him in the slot, Maybe we're

896
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: gonna see if he can play safety and what does

897
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: that look like? Yeah, I like the name. I think

898
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: Sean Wade because it showed up if you go back

899
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: and you watch that game versus Clemson two years ago

900
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 1: in the playoffs where you got kicked out for the hit.

901
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: I think he was inside and doing some of those things.

902
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: It's a different skill set. If you talk about a transition,

903
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: meaning converting a corner to free safety, I think it

904
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: was interested. As it relates to dan Quinn Demontez. He

905
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: had so many interceptions as a college corner, seventeen or

906
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: eighteen interceptions. Why he was at San Diego State, he

907
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: was two time Mountain West Defensive Player of the Year

908
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: because he could get his hands on the ball. In

909
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: a perfect world, if you think about moving someone to

910
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: a centerfield safety type, you want someone who can get

911
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: the ball like that. I don't know if there's a

912
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: player in the draft this year that kind of has

913
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: that capability. But it's different because the job description is

914
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,919
Speaker 1: not an easy transition, asking a guy to go from

915
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: on the island to playing in the middle, because he

916
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: not only has to now see the entire field, but

917
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: he also has to be a tough enough dude to

918
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: come up and smack Zeke Elliott when he breaks through

919
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: the hole. And every corner isn't built for that life

920
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: because that life is completely different. It's a different job description.

921
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: Coming down, he'll kind of deal with those bangers that

922
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: are running through, so they have to exhibit enough toughness

923
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,919
Speaker 1: and physicality at the outside while also having some ball

924
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: awareness and ranged to be able to do it. So

925
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: they may be speed deficient, but man, the toughness and

926
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: physicality has to be there. You can't make the move. Bucky,

927
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: I've got a guy that fits that mold. But he

928
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: also played a little bit of free safety in college.

929
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: He went back and forth between corner and free safety.

930
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: Israel Mukuamu from South Carolina. He's a little bit longer

931
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: than I think he would want. He's like six to four.

932
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a huge corner, but he's only two

933
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: hundred and twelve pounds. He's quick enough. He didn't run

934
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: a forty, so I can't really pull up that number,

935
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: but he's quick enough on tape to be ranging. I know,

936
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: I know there's a regional reason for that. But he

937
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: led the team and interceptions, and remember this is a

938
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,439
Speaker 1: team that had JC horn on it. Led the team

939
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: and interceptions in each of the last two seasons. He

940
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: had one start in twenty nineteen a free safety, three

941
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: starts in twenty twenty in just six games, but he

942
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: also played corner throughout the rest of those games that

943
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: he opted out toward the end of the season. He's

944
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: a guy who I know is listed as kind of

945
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: one of those tweeter guys between corner and safety because

946
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: I've seen it on boards throughout the league, and I've

947
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: also seen it on things like this where he did

948
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: play both free safety and corner. So that's another name

949
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: I wanted to throw out there really quickly. Final question,

950
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: if I can bring up my notes again here on

951
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Speaker 1: my laptop. Coach Forte one of our favorites on Twitter,

952
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: he said, doesn't get talked about him much, but what

953
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: are some of the late round running backs Dallas could

954
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 1: look at? Pollard is in year three of four deal

955
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: and then Zeke is of course Zeke good and bad.

956
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: So there's some back and forth there from the running

957
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: back spot. Jeff, have you seen any running backs? I

958
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: know you hate watching quarterbacks, so does Kat, but have

959
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: you seen any tale Algie Harris saw? I saw Nagie

960
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: Harris play live this year. I saw both North Carolina

961
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: backs play live this year, and I saw the Clemson

962
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: back play live this year, and they're all pretty good.

963
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't draft any of them, Bucky, I'd wait until

964
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: about the fourth or fifth round and just pick a

965
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: guy because they're just running backs. Show to me, oh man,

966
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: that's so just. I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't wait

967
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: till the fourth But I do believe the sweet spot

968
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: is anywhere day two you can get a running back.

969
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 1: There's so many running backs that are good that can

970
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: be productive that I don't think you have to really

971
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: go outside of it. I love Nagieris, I like Javonte Williams,

972
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 1: Travis Attend. But I can make a case that a

973
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: rather than take those guys early, I could take a

974
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: Colin Hill and have similar production. You know, Um, I

975
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: can take other guys Tray Sermon, if Trey Sermon's healthy,

976
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: I can have similar production. It's about really being able

977
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: to take the player and understand, here's how we playing,

978
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: this is what we want to do. So I don't

979
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 1: need to go crazy for a running back. But I

980
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: would say the same thing. I wouldn't go crazy over

981
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: a wide receiver either. Though. My running back pet Cats

982
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: Kenneth Gainwell because he's also a wide receiver. Um No,

983
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: he's really not technically a wide receiver, but he can

984
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: do it. Um and I I just love that he's

985
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: a great pass catcher. So, um, but you said the

986
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: guy said day three, right, the guy said, Day three?

987
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 1: How about Elijah Mitchell Louisiana runs a four three one

988
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: forty allegedly, So uh, you know like that that that

989
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: explosive take it to the house type. Let's go. Let's

990
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: go to Jaquan Hardy from Tiffin University, the Tiffin Dragons.

991
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: That's my day three guys to look out for. How

992
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: about that? And good luck trying to find Tiffin tams. Yeah, yeah,

993
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: good luck trying to find it. It's funny, you say,

994
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,760
Speaker 1: Kenneth Gainwell, Katie, we've had some success with Memphis running

995
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: backs that are kind of wide receivers in college as well.

996
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: So hey, maybe we're going back to Chris Staff's question

997
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,680
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998
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,440
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00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,560
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00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,719
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1056
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1058
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Speaker 1: how less need Sean McVay and his entire staff did

1060
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Speaker 1: not hit the road for this college football season and

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00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: this draft process and how it really hasn't changed a

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00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: whole lot for them. Yeah, so they basically in reading

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00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,479
Speaker 1: through the basically the RAMS this year. You look around

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00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl, or you look around at a

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00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: pro date, it's like, hey, where are the Rams? The

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00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: RAMS aren't going anywhere. And the answer to it, according

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00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: to less Neat, is well, you had the pandemic. And

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Speaker 1: he's like, and honestly, we kind of don't need to.

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Speaker 1: And I love this thought process by NFL teams, whether

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Speaker 1: you agree or disagree with any individual sort of action,

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00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: but they're thinking right now is are we better served

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00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: going out to every individual thing or we better serve

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00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: being at the combine watching people jump into forties and

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00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 1: interviewing players, or would we be better served spending way

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00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: less time getting way more tape watched and we'll still

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00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 1: be able to interview these players on zoom and we'll

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00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: have an hour with them where they're more comfortable instead

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00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 1: of fifteen or twenty minutes where they're surrounded by twelve

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00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: of us and they're coached on their answers. So I

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Speaker 1: think it's just the RAMS using the pandemic as an

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00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: opportunity to go okay, But let's also re examine the

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00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 1: way that we do everything. Are we doing all these

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00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: things because it helps us or because it's the way

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00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 1: it's always been done. They said, the most important thing

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00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: that the combine is the medicals. Our doctors are there,

1086
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: we're doing the doctor stuff. We're giving the medicals, but

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00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: we have GPS tracking from their college games. I don't

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00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: need to be there to watch them run a forty.

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00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: I'll get the numbers from their vertical jump. I don't

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00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: need to be there. So instead of sending a giant

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00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 1: contingent to everything, they're letting the information come to them

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00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: and saying, essentially, we think that we can do it

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00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 1: as good or better in a less amount of time

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Speaker 1: and have time to do other things by doing it

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00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 1: this way, which I thought was fascinating and I thought

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00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: would be a great question for Bucky, who's been a

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00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: part of the NFL process. Are those changes something where

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00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: the rams are smart and just asking themselves honest questions

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00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: and evaluating themselves or are they missing out? No? No,

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Speaker 1: I think it's really smart, and I think it's part

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00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: of a thing that was trending before the pandemic. The

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00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: pandemic only accelerated it years before we started seeing teams

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00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: keep their scouts away from the combine, not only because

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00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,760
Speaker 1: the cost, because instead of sending ten to twelve guys

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00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: instead of combine for that, it like, what are you gathering?

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00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: The event now is on TV, you get all the

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00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: official numbers, So what is it that you're really doing

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00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: outside of the interviews? The pandemic gave us the opportunity

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00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: to see that, oh, we can do virtual things. We

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00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: can conduct interviews via zoom and get the same stuff

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00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: out of it. In fact, we can have multiple interviews

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00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: with a prospect and really get to know them as

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00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: opposed to the hard sit down at dinner or at

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00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: the combine and those things. And then when it comes

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00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: to grinding on the tape, yeah, that's the most efficient way.

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00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: If you want to be accurate in terms of the draft,

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00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: you have to put more time in when it comes

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00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: to studying the tape. The other stuff takes away from

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00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: that time that you can devote to film study. So

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Speaker 1: I applaud the Rans for being able to do it.

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Speaker 1: The final thing that you brought up was the GPS.

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00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: I knew that the GPS thing was a big deal

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00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: last year when they drafted Van Jefferson. I think van

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00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: Jefferson after the Senior Bowl might have had an ankle

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00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: clean up, so they never got an official forty. But

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Speaker 1: they say they were fine because they had all of

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00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: his GPS stuff from his time at Florida and they

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Speaker 1: actually found out that he was faster than me, and

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00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: he speculated based off of game action speed as opposed

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Speaker 1: to the manufacturer speed that can be produced on a

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Speaker 1: prodem And it's like reading that article, you still are

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00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: reminded that article that the tape is still a paramount.

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00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: And then you use all these things and there's a

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00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: quote in there that I like, and I like when

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00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: this stuff like almost translates to like real life as well,

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00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: just for the common person like myself. But they said,

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Speaker 1: is there a reason we're doing this? Are we doing

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00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: this because it's the way it's always been, or we

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00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 1: should we change up the way we do things, and

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00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: like every company in the world's thinking about this, or Okay,

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00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: do we really need this huge building? Do we really

1142
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: need everyone in the building? And I think that's really fascinating.

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00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: You got an NFL team out here just saying how

1144
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: do we work more efficient? And you know, there's a

1145
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: thing we were talking about waiting certain testing scores, you know,

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00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 1: for a different position, like for instance, the forty yard

1147
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: dash for a linebacker, that doesn't mean a ton to me.

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00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: I need to know how he can change direction, you know,

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00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: and things like that, and like that's I like tell

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00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: they talked about how they were kind of for different

1151
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: positions or for different things that were looking for, whether

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00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: it be like a slot type of guy working over

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00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: the middle of the field. They wanted to kind of

1154
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: a bigger slot working in the middle of the field,

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Speaker 1: and Cooper Cup it didn't really bother them. The Cooper

1156
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: Cup didn't run a four four forty, And I thought

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00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: that was really interesting somebody how they kind of waited

1158
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: things differently for what they were looking for and certain players.

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00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: I think, I think that is interesting, and I think

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00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: it's always been a thing, like wanted to polarizing prospects

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00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: that people have kind of beat up on, and rightfully

1162
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: so like Gregor Rousseau, like his pro day workout, I

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01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: think he ran four seven four four seven eight, but

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01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: his ten time was faster than the overwhelming majority of

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01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: the pass rushers in the draft. And so when you

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01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: think about first step quickness and explosiveness, how well does

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01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: that translate to sack production in those things. Forty times

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01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: and vertical jumps typically correlate. So when you're looking at

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Speaker 1: your dbs with their arm length and those guys that

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01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 1: run fast and jump high, man covered, those are man

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01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: covered corners and that stuff. So all those drills certainly

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Speaker 1: play your part in the evaluation. You have to understand

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01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: what batter your drills translates for which positions. It took

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Speaker 1: us until a minute over time for us to mention

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01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 1: Gregory Rousseau in this podcast. Whenever we know that Bucky

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01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: Brooks is very high on Gregory Rousseau and Jeff Cavanaugh

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01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: is very well, oh are you not like like I

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01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: like has created a place I'm not fight about things

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01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: and I'm cheering for literally everyone to do well. I

1180
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: hope Rousseau. No, no, well, I didn't talk of him

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01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: as the first ten picks. I was just like, I

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01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: don't see no, no, and I don't see him. I

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01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: don't see him like that. I think the main thing

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01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: I saw him in a light that is more like

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01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: Jason Pierre Paul. When Jason Pierre Paul was coming out

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01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: of South Florida, meaning Jason Pierre Paul was an unknown

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01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 1: who had only played nine games, and the Giants gambled

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01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 1: on his traits and they were rewarded after he played

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01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: with Jet Justin Tuck and O Humanu or whatever. Rousseau

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01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: to me is similar in that vein because look, man,

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01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 1: this is a high school safety wide receiver whatever. I

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01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 1: don't know if he's tough enough to live down on

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01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 1: that line of scrimmage in that life, but the traits

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01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 1: are intriguing. So in a class where you don't have

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01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 1: any proven dudes, you tend to gamble on traits over

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01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: the other stuff. I should say that none of the

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01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: ad drushers or offensive tackles offensive vironement in this draft

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01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 1: could hang with King Kong versus Godzilla. That fight was incredible,

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01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: Like you don't need any pass rush moves in that fight.

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01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: They're just beating the crap out of each other. And

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01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 1: I think everyone should go watch it because it us

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01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: shout out to Mathra, here you go. You got just

1203
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 1: like Godzilla making a swim move over King Kong and

1204
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 1: getting back to the putting pressure on the quarterback. I

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01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:23,959
Speaker 1: think it's something that we need to look at. Maybe

1206
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: his vertical and three cone are a little more important

1207
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 1: than what we thought previously. Whenever that battle comes around,

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01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: Zilla Godzillas gained a lot of agility since I saw

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01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 1: it twenty years ago. It's good point point c G.

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Speaker 1: I'll do that. Yes, yeah, big hips and think about Godzilla.

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01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 1: You know, get those short arms. Yeah, I didn't have

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01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 1: to reach we got cong said. That's why I started

1213
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 1: talking about King Kai. I know he gave it. He

1214
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: gave it a nice little way for me to get

1215
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 1: out of here, all right. Special thanks to Chris Beam

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01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: in the bag for Jeff kavanaf, Bucky Brooks, Kevin K. T. Turner.

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Speaker 1: Will see you on Thursday. Just four more draft shows

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Speaker 1: till the Draft. Will see you next time. This has

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Speaker 1: been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys Football Club.