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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: So welcome back to QLs. This is Questlove.

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Speaker 1: Then every year we do special programming in February for

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Speaker 1: Black History Month.

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Speaker 2: That's especially important for this year. I don't need to

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Speaker 2: tell you all that.

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Speaker 1: As we gear up for some new conversations, the team

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Speaker 1: and I compiled some clips from this show that are

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Speaker 1: worth revisiting. Of course, we are about all types of

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Speaker 1: history here at a Questlove Supreme. This is kind of

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Speaker 1: a historical records platform, but.

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Speaker 2: You know, black history is important.

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Speaker 1: One to know that we have a history, but also

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Speaker 1: to achnowledge that Black history is American history.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's not separate.

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Speaker 1: And as we can plainly see if your eyes are open,

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Speaker 1: if you are awake, you clearly see how easy it

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Speaker 1: is with a little bit of misinformation, with a lot

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Speaker 1: of unprocessed emotions and a lot of facts turn upside down,

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Speaker 1: how easy it is to lose history, to lose information.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's a lie one moment, then it's lost

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Speaker 1: history years later. So it's important to always keep these

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Speaker 1: stories alive. And you know what I really love about

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Speaker 1: this platform at Quest Love Supreme is that you know,

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Speaker 1: when we have artists come on. Most people come to

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Speaker 1: a platform like specifically promote something from you know that's

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Speaker 1: currently out, like oh, my new album or my new movie.

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Speaker 2: We rarely do that.

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Speaker 1: Like when you're a guest on Quest Love Supreme, I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to first of all, we want your history just

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Speaker 1: so that's on the record, and then ask you more

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Speaker 1: timeless questions that don't have anything to do with the

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Speaker 1: deadline or like some program that you're on, some movie

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Speaker 1: that you're on. So that's why history is important, and

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Speaker 1: that's why I think the show, no matter what episode

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Speaker 1: we feature or that's in our cannon, it'll be timeless

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Speaker 1: because you know, once you create something, it becomes history,

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Speaker 1: and history is important. So that's why we are gung

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Speaker 1: ho on history here at Questlep Supreme. All Right, so

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Speaker 1: we're gonna begin with a good friend of the show,

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Speaker 1: my personal friend, fellow aquarian Chris Rock, who spoke about

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Speaker 1: how Saturday Night Live trained him for his career. I

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Speaker 1: just had the good fortune to spend seventy two hours

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Speaker 1: in SNL land. It's always one of those be careful

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Speaker 1: for what you ask for movements. Of course, working at

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Speaker 1: the Tonight show, going to what I call thirty Rock

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Speaker 1: University any chance that I get to roam on the

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Speaker 1: eighth floor and just I mean going through the pictures

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Speaker 1: on the walls or one thing, but also like looking

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Speaker 1: at the historical artifacts, just walking in Studio eight h

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Speaker 1: studying the theater structure. It's just it's a one of

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Speaker 1: one and it teaches me everything I know about not

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Speaker 1: only how comedy shows work, but how creativity works, how

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Speaker 1: leadership works. To describe the machine that is SNL, just

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Speaker 1: as an outsider, I would take an hour explain that

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Speaker 1: with Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy, Tracy Morgan celebrating the fiftieth

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Speaker 1: anniversary weekend of Saturday Night Live. There was a musical

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Speaker 1: concert that we did, and there was also like a

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Speaker 1: kind of soret that we did with Lauren Michaels to

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Speaker 1: toast him and his history. And then there was of

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Speaker 1: course the blowout SNL fifty show, in which pretty much

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Speaker 1: every cast member from all fifty years was represented in

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Speaker 1: that studio, just like going to an All Star game,

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Speaker 1: like watching people together, watching Eddie Murphy and Keenan Thompson

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Speaker 1: and Will Furrow, like in the sketch together. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's just anyway, enjoy this Chris episode.

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Speaker 2: Yoh, like who recommends?

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Speaker 3: Did you audition or I auditioned?

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Speaker 4: A guy named James Dixon who's John Stewart's agents, and

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Speaker 2: Who's the Higgins at the time.

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Speaker 4: Who's the Higgins at the Higgins at the time was

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Speaker 4: Jim Downey, And who's Higgins? Who's the head writer?

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Speaker 2: Higgins is our Sideki Jim No no, no, no, but.

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Speaker 4: And Senator Al Franken.

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Speaker 2: Oh, keep forgetting it.

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Speaker 4: I forgot Al Franken was a senator, he was I

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Speaker 4: think they were both the head writers. Conan O'Brien was

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Speaker 5: Did you ever have any issues with the things that

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Speaker 5: you wrote on that show? I always wonder like, is

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Speaker 5: it ever too black for SNL? No?

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Speaker 4: I mean or it was too black? Nothing was ever

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Speaker 4: of all, I had an amazing time at SNL. Is

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Speaker 5: Which you did for the up and coming comedians from

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Speaker 4: I was on SNL man, it's only you know, come

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Speaker 4: on like SNL forget even black, Like SNL is the

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Speaker 4: X Men school of comedy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, did Eddie give you any kind of preparation on

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Speaker 4: No, Eddie. The only thing Eddie told me, he kept

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Speaker 4: telling me, is like, just just make sure you write

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Speaker 4: But uh, what was your question?

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Speaker 5: I was just asking it was it ever too edgy

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Speaker 4: To like it was too edgy or black? It was like,

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Speaker 4: it's like this situation just white people in general. It's

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Speaker 4: So a lot of stuff I did it was more

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Speaker 2: Like it had to be black.

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Speaker 4: Yah, so it had to be black, you know what

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Speaker 1: Is that the arcinio factor kicking in? Was that the

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Speaker 1: Living Color factor kicking in?

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Speaker 4: I got hired because of Living Color. I got hired

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Speaker 4: I got hired pretty much under the same circumstances. SNL

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean, like in the middle, in

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Speaker 5: In the middle, not for nothing.

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Speaker 1: I'm taking well because you explained, but you explain in

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Speaker 1: your whole, in your whole theory of you did a

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Speaker 1: joke about Obama can only hope to be mediocre? Is again,

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Speaker 1: it's like, you know, it's either the perception that we're

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Speaker 4: We're not calling any person an animal, let's let's let's

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Speaker 1: Well no, no, no, but I've meant like just whatever the

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Speaker 2: Caricature versus extreme intellect.

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Speaker 5: I was recently told by a bunch of white women

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Speaker 5: I get really nervous about making black jokes in front

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Speaker 2: And I was like, really, that's to see that.

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Speaker 1: That bothers me too, because I feel like that's almost

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Speaker 2: Or you know, the whole guilt the guilt factor kick

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Speaker 5: I was wonder if it was a setup. I didn't know,

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Speaker 1: So okay, so you you're you're fine with your experience there, and.

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Speaker 4: The best experience is literally the best thing that ever

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Speaker 4: Something forrom I'm sorry, cut you off. I wrote I

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Speaker 4: a reason Eddie Murphy, Richard pryor all the greatest black comedians,

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Speaker 4: because you had to work these two systems in a

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Speaker 1: So you're saying Sam Cook record in Harlem, which is

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Speaker 4: Out, and this is the same thing that produced Michael Jackson.

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Speaker 4: And like the the fact that you had to work

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Speaker 1: mainstream audience. I think that if you want international appeal,

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Quest Love Supreme. Good people.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that's cool about the show is

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Speaker 1: Take me through your life as a creative. What was

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Speaker 6: I just graduated from high school for the performing arts.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, took me to dinner, he said, you looked like

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Speaker 6: his audition for that day for a show called Sweet

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Speaker 6: Charity going to a place called Las Vegas, starring Woman

439
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 6: and Juliette Prowse, directed by Bob Fosse. And that was

440
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 6: the first time I was stept on Broadway. Storage at

441
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 6: at the Palace Theater. I went to the audition. It

442
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 6: was like the opening of all that jazz. Yes, and

443
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 6: I went, that was one of those kids on the

444
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 6: stage standing there washing. This cool guy walked down the

445
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 6: middle of the aisle smoking a cigarette. He gets up

446
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 6: on stage, he does the demonstration for us to do,

447
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 6: and the ashes never fall. I said, this.

448
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,719
Speaker 5: Guy, he just smoked to the end and the ashes

449
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 5: just grew and grew.

450
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 6: Hung there, but he did the combination turns and boom

451
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 6: and steps and step boom, and then stopped and going

452
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 6: you take me, okay, do the steps. We couldn't do

453
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 6: the steps because you too watching the asses see if

454
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 6: they're in fall.

455
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Speaker 2: Okay.

456
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Speaker 1: So my mother is, you know, probably the show's biggest fan,

457
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: and she.

458
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 2: Will scream on me.

459
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: You drop so many names that she'll scream on me

460
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 1: if I don't go in the further detail. And my

461
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: mom's from Pittsburgh. Okay, I'm gonna ask about Bob Fosse.

462
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: But you mentioned the legendary Martha Graham. You study under it.

463
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: What was what was it like studying under Martha Graham.

464
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Speaker 6: Well, I didn't actually have a class about the Graham.

465
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 6: I studied with one of her dancers named David Woods. Okay,

466
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 6: it was one of the teachers there. It was amazing,

467
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 6: you know, for me getting into the middle. The first

468
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 6: day of school, they have you line up and then

469
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 6: they have you change and you get dressed for your class.

470
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 6: You go to your classes. And my first day in school,

471
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 6: I wore my suit that wore was sensational Tales to Brooklyn.

472
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 6: My mother bought me in a tash sharecase. I stole

473
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 6: like my attash shad case. And then they said, go

474
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 6: get dressed. All the guys went and put on their

475
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 6: dance clothes. I put on my dance clothes, put my

476
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 6: suit back oncu that's what it was raised, you know,

477
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 6: don't just walk around your underwear. So I get back

478
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 6: out there in my suit on. She said, excuse me,

479
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 6: doctor was saying you're taking class of that. I said, yes, said, well,

480
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 6: where's your dance clothes? I said, my suit. You can't

481
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 6: dance that way, Get in there, put on your dance clothes.

482
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 6: And that was the beginning of whoa wonderment. Yeah. But

483
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 6: David Woods who was really the foundation of my actings

484
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 6: as well, because he would tell us, he say, you

485
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 6: can't just dance. It's got to tell a story. So

486
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 6: find the story that you want to tell through your movement.

487
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 6: And that's why dance is so personal to me.

488
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 8: You know, in.

489
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Speaker 6: Mardern dance, you must tell a story. It isn't about

490
00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 6: just steps. It's about emotion. It's about the story that

491
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 6: you're telling. Although it may not be the choreographer may

492
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 6: not is telling you his story. But you got to

493
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 6: find your story within the movement. What makes you move

494
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 6: this way, what makes you sing this way? What makes

495
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 6: you tell your story through drama, through the word this way?

496
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 6: You have to create it, at least for me. You

497
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 6: have to relate to something within you that connects to

498
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 6: that emotion. And that's how we dance. That's how I

499
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 6: danced for.

500
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 1: A lot of us, at least for my generation. This

501
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: conversation is really transformational as far as like my mind state,

502
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: because I think every person thinks that their era in

503
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: the world is the kind of you know, black and white,

504
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: the color Wizard of Oz thing like everyone thinks like, oh,

505
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: when I was born, then suddenly modern times began.

506
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 2: But you know, I.

507
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 9: Would assume that until Roots came along, that a lot

508
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 9: of African Americans weren't even thinking in terms of their

509
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 9: history going back to Africa, unless you know, they were

510
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 9: of the generation that watched Tarzan as a kid in

511
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 9: the fifties and sixties.

512
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 5: The Marcus Garvey movement, and he was down.

513
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 2: With that, right.

514
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: So what I'm asking you is when you're told to

515
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: tell your story and the vocabulary of our African history

516
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,959
Speaker 1: really wasn't super enforced unless you were part of specialized

517
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: movements in your mind, when you are expressing yourself and

518
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 1: reaching inside for your emotions and through dance, what is

519
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: it that drove you creatively? Like, what are you thinking

520
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: of when they're telling you tell your story?

521
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 6: Well, I'm thinking of my emotional feelings and what I

522
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 6: feel in that moment of that story makes sense, all right?

523
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 6: If I have safe For example, if I tell a

524
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 6: story of my let's see keep a simple going to

525
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 6: performing us. What did that make you feel? Like? How

526
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 6: did you feel the first day you stepped on that stage,

527
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 6: when you stepped into that studio? What was it feeling

528
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 6: to you and feeling? What's that story that you want

529
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 6: to tell right there? And then that creates a whole movement,

530
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 6: yes for us coming up. And I was as far

531
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 6: as we're talking about ancestry now, when we talk about

532
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 6: black history in my school coming up, in my era,

533
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 6: it was one paragraph your slave and Lincoln freed you,

534
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 6: you know, and we know that's not true. And long

535
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 6: comes a wonderful man named Alex Haley who says, I'm

536
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 6: going to watch that because it's not true. And he

537
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 6: goes back to Gambia and he finds his roots, and

538
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 6: he writes a wonderful book called Roots. And we all

539
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 6: now say, and now the world is going whoa wait

540
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 6: a minute, waking up. There was more to it than

541
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 6: this what's in our history books. There's more to my story,

542
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 6: you see. It's so interesting. When Roots came out, it

543
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 6: was just the book and I had heard about it,

544
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 6: and like lot of us there, and I just knew

545
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 6: I wanted to be a part of that movie, that

546
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 6: TV series that was And I went to my agent

547
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 6: and I said to him, listen, there's this book I

548
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 6: think ABC is gonna make a movie out of it

549
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 6: called Roots Cinder. I really i'd like to be to

550
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 6: try out what he says to me, Ben, you're a

551
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 6: song and dance man.

552
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 10: They're looking for actors, he said, So listen, there's a

553
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 10: there's this group that starting out, you got a big

554
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 10: hit called your Family's Sister Sledge. He says, they're going

555
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 10: to open for you in Chicago, So why don't you

556
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 10: go do that? And you have another gig for you

557
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 10: guys down in Savannah. So I said yeah, But Kenny said, Ben,

558
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 10: they're looking for actors. So I get on I get

559
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 10: on the plane. I go to Chicago. Sisters Sledge. They

560
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 10: opened to me a wonderful these little girls, the little Girls,

561
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 10: and we get to Sabana, Georgia.

562
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 6: He used to do a character called Bert Williams about

563
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,479
Speaker 6: my ancestry, about the performer there was a time in

564
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 6: America history where black people in the theater were not

565
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 6: allowed on stage unless we wore a blackface, and he

566
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 6: went through that. So I told that story and coming

567
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 6: at the show, that afternoon in Savannah, Georgia, there was

568
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 6: a guy came backstages and they would staying Margolis and

569
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 6: he said, I want you to read my Chicken George.

570
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 6: And I said, I said, said, what's the chicken George?

571
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 6: He said, we'll shoe it down here shooting the show

572
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 6: called Roots, he said, And I said, I don't care, man,

573
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 6: if Chicken George's gout and the boat going, let me

574
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 6: yut of here, let me yut here, please please, I'll

575
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 6: be there. And that's how I got the bar. But

576
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 6: I had no idea how deep it was going to

577
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 6: go and what I mean. It opened up a whole

578
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 6: avenue for me and for all of us to look

579
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 6: back and honor our ancestry, which you must continue to do,

580
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 6: to stay forward, because our ancestry of the reason why

581
00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 6: we're here today, their struggle, their fight, their determination to

582
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 6: go through slavery. Imagine coming across the water, having being

583
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 6: stolen from your family. You're on and you're put on chains,

584
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 6: change what was a chain, and you're being put on

585
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 6: a boat on and you put to an island and

586
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 6: you're gone away with a bunch of people you've never

587
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 6: seen the white and you see a bunch of other

588
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 6: people your color, were not the same languages, and we're

589
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 6: all chained inside this boat and someone jumping off the

590
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 6: side as they refuse to go to They don't know

591
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 6: what's gonna happen. They don't want to be a part

592
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 6: of it. But the bravery of those people who went

593
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 6: through that passage and stood on that on that slave

594
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 6: block and watch their families being torn apart, which which

595
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 6: I think in my mind, destroyed our culture togetherness, that strength,

596
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 6: and to tell their stories to be forgotten. No, no,

597
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 6: not on my watch.

598
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: How long did they give you to prepare that role,

599
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: take us through the process of preparing, executing, and then

600
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: leaving that character.

601
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 6: I never looked their character boar.

602
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 2: All right, ta good joys.

603
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 6: Well, for me, it was all because I understand my

604
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 6: family we never sat around and talked about then, because

605
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,479
Speaker 6: we were surviving in the now. My family was the

606
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 6: educators or the you know, they were not of that ilk,

607
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 6: you know, if they were field workers, you know, survivors,

608
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 6: and so we never sat around talked about education, about government,

609
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 6: about what's going on day to day survival. So when

610
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 6: I got this, I knew there was a deeper story.

611
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 6: When I got the opportunity to tell my story, it

612
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 6: was like, how do I find my research? So I

613
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 6: called my elders. You know, can you tell me about

614
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 6: what it was like during this time that time? And

615
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 6: you know, and a lot of it came from imagination

616
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 6: once again, what it must have felt like. And Chicken George,

617
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 6: he's so beautiful.

618
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 11: You know.

619
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 6: The one thing I do is that when I get

620
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 6: to a character, especially someone like Chicken George, I asked

621
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 6: permission to enter into that realm of consciousness. What's been

622
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 6: like for you? Educate me, teach me? And he took

623
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 6: me on his journey. And I tell you the respect

624
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 6: and the admiration that the cast and the crew had

625
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 6: doing that, it was amazing. It was amazing.

626
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 5: Did it feel safe? Did they provide like a cause?

627
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 5: You know in twenty twenty if you guys made this

628
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty four or twenty five, there would be

629
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 5: all kind of counseling on set, and you know, when

630
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 5: you when you broke out a character, there'd be somebody

631
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 5: to make sure are you okay? Like, how did y'all

632
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 5: handle that? No? Not in twenty twenty four, Sorry to

633
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 5: jump in now, go please, That will come later oh

634
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 5: not in twenty twenty four, my bad.

635
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 6: Okay yaour During that time it was self nurturing. And

636
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 6: that's why I say the cat the crew, even the

637
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 6: crew was aware that we were touching upon something that

638
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 6: was in other words, I hate to use this word

639
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 6: but taboo. But the respect and the reverence that the

640
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 6: crew had and would like to see that one scene.

641
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 6: I never forget the scene where Richard Rowntree was dating

642
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 6: my mother time Leslie other one was playing kissing and

643
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 6: there's a scene where she had talked him into taking

644
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 6: her to find her father and they go back and

645
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 6: they're late coming back to the plantation and his masa

646
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 6: at the time was supposed to tastise him and Richard

647
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 6: Rowntree was supposed to beg for him not to beat him.

648
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 6: And I'll never get this. Richard said, you want me

649
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 6: to grobble to a white man? Do you know why?

650
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 5: I am mm hmm.

651
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 6: I don't grabble for no white man. And the direct

652
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 6: said said, Richard, we need this just for the next scene.

653
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 6: He said no to he said, he said you can

654
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Speaker 6: do this. He says, I ain't grabbling no white man.

655
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Speaker 6: It's like that, And he said, well, he said just

656
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Speaker 6: one time, he said. He looked around, he looked at them,

657
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 6: at Kissey and my mother Leslie, looked at the castle

658
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 6: and the crew. You went, you got one shot and

659
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 6: he gets down. He does that scene where he says,

660
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 6: please bost some morsel, don't beat me, and we just

661
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 6: finished the direction that gun. Okay, that was a good friend.

662
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Speaker 6: Anybody go home. The one said okay, thank you, thank

663
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Speaker 6: you very much. Because it was, like, I mean, all

664
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Speaker 6: of a sudden, we had to reflect on the fact

665
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Speaker 6: that what it must have been like to have the

666
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 6: wobble to white people for our survival. That the big

667
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 6: you know, I think about my oof, don't get me started.

668
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 6: I think about what people went through as slaves, kings, inventors, doctors,

669
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 6: leaders being stripped. We built empires and civilizations and now

670
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 6: we are at the bottom of the chain. They gave

671
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 6: us slop and we made it a proisine. We made

672
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Speaker 6: it a proisine.

673
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Speaker 5: I can't even get to that extent of thought. It

674
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 5: makes me think of also the artists who have had

675
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 5: to play these roles. And it's funny because as you said,

676
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 5: as you said, this was a taboo thing and now

677
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 5: it's not. Now we've had several movies that have followed,

678
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 5: and it makes me think about all the black actors

679
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 5: who have had to tackle these roles, like from Chiwaitel

680
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 5: e Joe for to Jamie Fox, to Lapita and Jongo.

681
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 5: And I'm curious if anybody ever reached back to you

682
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 5: and went, how did you do this?

683
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 7: How did you do this thing?

684
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 6: Because we who were there at the first beginning a

685
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,479
Speaker 6: waiting to say this is how we did it? Because

686
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 6: what annoysment? I loved my brother LaVar Burden, love him,

687
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 6: yet he felt that maybe I let me take it

688
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 6: this way, but he never allowed us to talk to

689
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 6: the cast, They say, what did you go through? How

690
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 6: did you get there? At this point?

691
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 5: Oh with the newer roots? Are you talking about the

692
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 5: new roots? The newer roots?

693
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Speaker 6: I said, Okay, they did a good job, but as

694
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 6: far as they could do. But we could have given

695
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 6: them another layer that's much deeper because we were there.

696
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Speaker 5: We were I was curious about thank you for answering

697
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 5: that question.

698
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 6: We cried and wept and we what to do, but

699
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 6: we knew we had to do it for the art

700
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 6: and to tell the truth story as far as Hollywood

701
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 6: would allow us to tell the true stories. You understand,

702
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 6: Ruth just scraunged upon the surface really went down, But

703
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 6: what really went down? You get into those wounds, you

704
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 6: go deeper. They were knights. I come home and my

705
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 6: wife Nancy, she go you okay, I say yeah, And

706
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 6: nights I was just being tears and he was like, okay, okay,

707
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 6: and let me get myself ready. Okay, let's go do

708
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 6: the scene. And although I was friend chicken George, who

709
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 6: was like a dandy, but there was that moment when

710
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 6: he finds out his father is white. It's gone through

711
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 6: and watching your fellow neighbor brothers, they whipped because they

712
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 6: didn't want to pick up something they didn't want to do,

713
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 6: so they said the same wrong thing because they were

714
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 6: field niggas, then the house niggas, because it was to

715
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 6: you a little better with the field nigga telling those stories,

716
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 6: and I think those stories have not been told enough.

717
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 6: As long as my Jewish brother and sisters can tell

718
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 6: us about the Holocaust, we must talk about our Holocaust.

719
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Speaker 6: Excuse me, agreed, Let's read so we know where we

720
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Speaker 6: are going, otherwise they will do it to us again.

721
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Speaker 1: So before that last break, we shared a clip from

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Speaker 1: Ben Vereen, right, now we got Jennifer Lewis, who just

723
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Speaker 1: gave team supreme wisdom on life from her experience and courage.

724
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Speaker 1: I guess you can say in and out, I've been

725
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: doing therapy for like thirty years. But you know the

726
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 1: thing is, when the pandemic came, really you know again,

727
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: like I do, I feel like a person shouldn't have

728
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: to be at rock bottom to make the change.

729
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Speaker 2: So that's why I'm really glad the pandemic happened.

730
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Speaker 1: Because it wasn't a rock bottom moment, But that was

731
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Speaker 1: definitely somewhat of a paradigm shift for me and taken

732
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: mental health seriously and all those things. But you mentioned something,

733
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Speaker 1: and I noticed that probably the time that I might

734
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Speaker 1: be liable to get in an argument.

735
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Speaker 2: I mean, not a.

736
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Speaker 1: Fight, not like pugilism or anything. But there's a moment

737
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: after I get off stage where I can't describe the feeling.

738
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: And you you said that, and I was like, oh,

739
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: so I'm not I've you know, I just thought like, well,

740
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 1: me're sometimes you're just in an asshole after the thirty

741
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: minutes after roots show. It's almost like after a root show,

742
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: I purposely look for a place to just sit silent

743
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 1: and literally come down and.

744
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 2: I can't explain it.

745
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: And the thing is is like right after a show,

746
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: that's when people were pulling for you and Amir, let's

747
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: talk to get it write, and I can't explain. And

748
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: the thing is, it's like, because these people aren't entertainers,

749
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: it's hard to really explain to them the process I

750
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: go through, which is kind of why it's almost like

751
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: an ad that feeling of when you're done a show,

752
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: and that how you feel is such a description less

753
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: addiction that I can't describe that. I figured out that

754
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: for the at least the last thirty years, I've been

755
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: doing DJ gigs after the Root show because I love

756
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 1: music and because I love DJ, but basically I need

757
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: to slowly come down off that high normalcy.

758
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 2: So usually after.

759
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: Root show, I will DJ for three hours so that

760
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: way I don't have to talk to people. I'm playing

761
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: music and I come down. But and sometimes when I'm

762
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: not DJing, I wonder what that is, And I thought

763
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 1: I was the only person going through that, because again,

764
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 1: if I feel weird in talking about the mental health

765
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: space thing and have my occupation, because I always feel

766
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: like people look at me like eh, here's the world

767
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: Stiny's violin. Like, if people are in a certain profession,

768
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: they might not. They might feel unworthy of having problems

769
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: or whatnot.

770
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 2: Like people might not.

771
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 5: At this point, the world knows entertainers have trauma.

772
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 7: Right, I'm just let me interject here. Yes, yes, please please.

773
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: First of all, we are not normal creatures. Yeah right,

775
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 12: we are artists. We are different. Are we better or

776
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,959
Speaker 12: worse than anyone? No, we just are who we are

777
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 12: and we form who we form the artistreet.

778
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 7: It's like Lena Simone said, an artist's duty is.

779
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 12: To speak to the times. Nina Simone didn't hide her

780
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 12: pain and need. It's a more laid it on the piano.

781
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 12: We have to learn where to put that quest. You

782
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 12: have to put that somewhere. You have to compartmentalize that

783
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 12: you expressed it beautifully. It's called a glory train. Love

784
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 12: you hear me talking to you. It's a glory train.

785
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,959
Speaker 12: And nobody can stay on that train too long.

786
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 7: You got to come off.

787
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 12: You got to get in the grass, and you got

788
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 12: to surround yourself with nature and have that gratitude. It

789
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 12: is a gratitude moment, so use it for that. You

790
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 12: don't have to go crazy. Most people go and get

791
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 12: drunk and party and carry on. Okay, you get a

792
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 12: couple of those a month, but then sit the fuck

793
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 12: down and talk about those feelings.

794
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 7: Write them down so that the next time you feel it,

795
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 7: you have something to balance it.

796
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 12: Nobody's coming with the answer, nobody's coming with the recipe.

797
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 12: You got to pay attention to the self. It is

798
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 12: the journey within that will get you where you need

799
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 12: to be, because what you will discover, hmm, is how

800
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 12: short life is.

801
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 7: Listen to me, you want to know how You want

802
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 7: to know how I live?

803
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 12: I live like I got five minutes left?

804
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 7: What if? What if you add five FDA minutes left?

805
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 7: Who would you call? Hmm? Think about that?

806
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 3: Shit?

807
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 6: What if?

808
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 7: And I live like that? I ain't gonna lie to you.

809
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 12: Sometimes it's something as like when my assistant leaves. I

810
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 12: want to swim, but the shadows have.

811
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 7: Come over the pool so it gets a little.

812
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,439
Speaker 12: Chill, and I stand there and go, oh, I don't

813
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 12: want to get in this pool. Jenny, get in the

814
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 12: fucking pool and relax yourself.

815
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 7: You gotta talk to yourself.

816
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 12: But guess why I got in the pool, Because when

817
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 12: I woke up, I wrote it down. You will swim today.

818
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 12: You got That's what living on purpose is about. You

819
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 12: can't go willy nelly through this bitch.

820
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 7: It'll eat you a line. This is why that you

821
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 7: are in charge. Write the ship down.

822
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 12: You write your story instead of like I said, go

823
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 12: on willy nilly skipping timptoeing through the fucking tulips.

824
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 7: That's what life. Look, Life is not a rehearsal. Live

825
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 7: this bitch.

826
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Speaker 13: Can I just say real quick, excuse me?

827
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Speaker 5: Let me let me just say this, And I hate

828
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 5: to be on corny and go to the book that

829
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 5: you have our walking in Your Joy? But I just realized,

830
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 5: Am I saying that walking in your joy?

831
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 7: Yes? Walking in my joy?

832
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 5: In my joy? But it's so interesting because a lot

833
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 5: of people write books and they say things, But I

834
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 5: like that you have some real practical things, like what

835
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 5: you just said to a mirror about living in those

836
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 5: five minutes. And then you wrote something else that caught

837
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 5: me and you said, when you're feeling down, you come

838
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 5: up with a song about your how much you love

839
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 5: yourself and how much.

840
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 7: People love you.

841
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 5: That's not I'm realizing. Although I haven't finished the book,

842
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 5: can people like depend that like you pretty much got

843
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 5: little workable jewels in here. Not just like girl, live

844
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 5: your best life. It's actually like no, exactly exactly, but.

845
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 7: Here's the work. The work is how am I gonna

846
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 7: live my best life?

847
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 11: Right?

848
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 12: And that's what And that's the work. That's what you

849
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 12: write down in the morning, y'all. I don't know if

850
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 12: you know, but when I wrote The Mother Black Hollywood,

851
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 12: I started writing in a journal in the seventh grade,

852
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 12: No I because I knew I was gonna be a

853
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 12: star and I would need my book.

854
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 7: That's seventh grade continuously.

855
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 12: I am sixty five. There are sixty seven journals.

856
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 14: Oh I'm so jealous.

857
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 7: That is why don't we do this?

858
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 5: Why do we start and stop?

859
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 7: And I got about six?

860
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 12: Damn it sood details? She saw the Black Hollywood.

861
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 3: It's so good.

862
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 7: Because of the details.

863
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 12: I can tell you that I had hot apple pie all.

864
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 7: The mold with your only Ralph on this date. Damn

865
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 7: you see, you see, you see, so nothing is wasted.

866
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 7: Live your life.

867
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 12: And when I got into therapy the first time, my

868
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 12: therapist looked at me when I told her I had

869
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 12: written all those journals.

870
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 7: She said, that's what saved your life.

871
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 4: Little girl, I believe it.

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00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 7: I didn't know I was saving my life. Yeah, but that.

873
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 12: Journal served in me learning at an early age. I

874
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 12: didn't even know I was doing it to be in

875
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:20,760
Speaker 12: charge of me and leave other people alone. Jour people

876
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 12: come and go for a season, let it go. When

877
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 12: they're no longer of reflection of you.

878
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 7: You're not gonna be comfortable around them.

879
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 12: If the toxic shit is going on the lines and

880
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 12: the chaos, y'all get the fuck out of there.

881
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 7: You ain't there.

882
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 12: There are many rooms to go to, there are many cities.

883
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 7: All your dude, leave the room fuck out of there.

884
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 12: Shit simple, don't sit there with all that drama and shitty.

885
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 5: Practical things you can use.

886
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 7: It's so boring. It's boring.

887
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:50,919
Speaker 2: I said.

888
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 12: The greatest sin is somebody to say, oh, I'm bored,

889
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 12: bitch thet to.

890
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 7: Have my money.

891
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:57,760
Speaker 2: Okay.

892
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 1: So, of course, like in the last two years is

893
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: the most that I've heard black people speaking on finding

894
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 1: joy and finding their mental health and all those things.

895
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: Because previously there's a secret I would never like in

896
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 1: two thousand and eleven, I would never share with nobody that.

897
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 5: Likes trauma attached to that you right, because.

898
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 2: You don't want to share like people think I'm crazy

899
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 2: or whatever. The thing is is.

900
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: That I know that for black people, their go to

901
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: answer was always the church, especially of an older you know,

902
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: I was born in seventy one.

903
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 2: I know you were born before I was fifty seven.

904
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: For a lot of people in you know, pre eighties

905
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: people whatever, like their thing is always like I'll find

906
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: God or I'll talk to my preacher.

907
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 2: How so this is almost a phenomenally to hear.

908
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 1: Of your generation, of your experience really not even diving

909
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: into the pool of mental therapy, but I mean you're

910
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: going to the abyss of it, You're going to the

911
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: deepest level of it.

912
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 2: So what was it?

913
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: What was the moment that told you that my mental

914
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: health has to be addressed in and handled this way

915
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 1: as opposed to I do consider that, I do consider

916
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: organized religion as a vice akin to gambling, sex, joys.

917
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 7: Let me say this to you.

918
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 12: Yeah, there's a line in the movie I did, Karina

919
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 12: Karina where the the little girl says, these people believe

920
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 12: I'm paraphrasing, but they said, these people believe in God.

921
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 12: And the people that somebody has said it was Jewish.

922
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 12: And the question that was asked by a child was

923
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 12: She said, why do these people sing about this? And

924
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 12: the mother said because it makes them feel good? And

925
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 12: the little girl said, what's wrong with that? Mother said,

926
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 12: I guess nothing. Look, if you want to be an

927
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 12: organized religion, that's okay. Let people do what they want

928
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 12: to do. That's what gets me through life. To allow

929
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 12: allow others to be where they are. What you're gonna do,

930
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 12: Go and make them a Buddhist, go and make them

931
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 12: a move them. You're gonna make them what.

932
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 6: You gonna do.

933
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 12: Once again, once again, pay attention to yourself. Everybody on

934
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 12: this planet has one job, and one job on it self.

935
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 7: Care and if you need to cry to Jesus to.

936
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 12: Do that, then you go on and cry to Jesus.

937
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 12: But allow other people to cry to whoever the hell

938
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 12: they want to cry to. That's what I don't like

939
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 12: about religion. Everybody think their religion is the best one.

940
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 7: So oh, I don't believe in that. Lead people alone,

941
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 7: Lead people alone.

942
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 12: If they want to work, you, let them work to Jesus,

943
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 12: let him work the Buddha or a Mohammed or Allah.

944
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 12: Let people do what the fuck they want to do.

945
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 7: I know who I am. I searched every religion in

946
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 7: this world.

947
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 12: I have been down the road, let's travel, and when

948
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 12: I got to the end, that wasn't nothing but the

949
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 12: big ass mirror. You cannot run. Wherever you run, you

950
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:36,760
Speaker 12: will meet yourself.

951
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 7: So there's no running. And I told them on the

952
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 7: breakfast Club, I got money.

953
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 2: To run, and you can't even run.

954
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 6: You can't run.

955
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 7: You can don't ask me. Don't ask me for now.

956
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:52,879
Speaker 7: I'm like, what's his name?

957
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 12: The baby I love, Daje Pel I'm rich, bitch, don't.

958
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 7: Ask me for shit? All right, there you go.

959
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 5: What do you say to him?

960
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 6: Even?

961
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 5: Like to what onn Amir's question, like you're leading the

962
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 5: pack of your generation in that way, like he said,

963
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 5: like you're it is kind of special. Do you see

964
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 5: in the difference in the generational hower Now? I'm using

965
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 5: words and had vocabulary for things that we didn't have before.

966
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 7: When I went I Got you.

967
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 12: When I went on the road with the Mother Black Hollywood,

968
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 12: because it was my journey through bipolar disorder, I was

969
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:31,879
Speaker 12: able to feel not only the temperature, but the temperament

970
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 12: of the United States.

971
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 7: I went all over.

972
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 12: During the Trump era, people are starting to wake up.

973
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 12: I was very pleased. They're starting to get counseling in churches,

974
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 12: they are starting to put more counseling in youth centers.

975
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 12: Our children are falling apart, and I'm not the only

976
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 12: woman in the world that cares. People are coming together.

977
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 12: We are getting better. Everybody wanted to talk about the stigma. Yes,

978
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 12: there is a stigma, but we are getting better. You See,

979
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 12: my mother didn't have the Oprah Winfrey ship. Okay, that's

980
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 12: what I'm saying. Mamma didn't know nothing about mental illness.

981
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 12: And yet if someone were to ask me, I would say,

982
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 12: absolutely she was.

983
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 7: I do believe that she was depressed.

984
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 12: She had me when she was twenty six years old

985
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 12: and I was her seventh child. Whoa, she was scrubbed,

986
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,240
Speaker 12: and she was scrubbing white people's floors.

987
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 7: You think she had time to give me affection.

988
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 12: She was exhausted by the time I came along. Listen

989
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 12: eve Insler, who wrote the Vagina Monologues.

990
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:42,720
Speaker 7: She ran all around the world.

991
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 12: She went to Africa with the women that were having

992
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 12: the clitterictism.

993
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 7: If it's clitterists, I don't know. If it's her plural,

994
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 7: I only have one, all right. I used to have

995
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:04,479
Speaker 7: three but I get y'all want remember one of those

996
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,280
Speaker 7: first wnch stns.

997
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 12: That bitch tied to when we just had listen, God, damn,

998
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 12: I have.

999
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 7: To web it.

1000
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 12: That bitch tied to glitter and she.

1001
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 7: Has something like that, something like that.

1002
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 12: It was funny, but it Let me get back to this, sorry,

1003
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 12: let me get back to serious ship. Listen all I

1004
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 12: can say that, then not go into three clitterists, honey.

1005
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 5: Last in the glitterists, I did too.

1006
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 12: I need to find somebody to tell me whether clittericist

1007
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 12: it's clitterisstens.

1008
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 7: Come on, Jennifer, if.

1009
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 1: You don't need clitter, clit glitteriz, I have no idea.

1010
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 7: You know, I'll come out of the bag with anything.

1011
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 5: I don't multiple clitterists last.

1012
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 7: Thank you? Did you look it up?

1013
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 2: No?

1014
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 7: I was in uh.

1015
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 12: When I was in the serah gaddy uh, two little

1016
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 12: baby rhinoceroses thought I had some food, so they came

1017
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 12: over to.

1018
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 7: Me and they just gone like this, just a don't get,

1019
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 7: don't get, don't.

1020
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 12: And they when they saw it and have no food,

1021
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 12: they kind of don't don't get don't away from me,

1022
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 12: and I start screaming.

1023
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 7: I ever heard of Jenny Craig.

1024
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 3: Had no food for you.

1025
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 12: I'll cuts out a rhinoceros, bitch you hear me? And

1026
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 12: then I had to look up whether it was not

1027
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 12: rhinocerih because most of my friends was wait.

1028
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 7: Man, because wait a minute.

1029
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 12: Listen, because most of my friends are major intellectuals.

1030
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 7: I keep smart people around me.

1031
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 12: Honey, listen, I can feel enough for everybody.

1032
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 7: You just tell me what the ship? What's going on?

1033
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:55,439
Speaker 6: But here?

1034
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 12: But if I listen, if I'm a stand in the

1035
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 12: getty and cuffs out two baby rhinoceroses, what do you

1036
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 12: think I'm gonna do with the story of the clitterists?

1037
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 12: Get the fuck out, Let's go.

1038
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 7: What's that?

1039
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 4: Oh?

1040
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 7: Cos is out? But what you need to know is,

1041
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 7: Jennifer Lord, We'll go anywhere.

1042
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 12: I ain't no shame in my game, baby, I'll do

1043
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 12: anything to make people laugh.

1044
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: So clearly, if you're a longtime fan of the show,

1045
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: you'll notice that we've had a curious metamorphosis. In the beginning,

1046
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: we were raw talking over each other like there's no

1047
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: rules of podcasting or interviewing when you first jump in

1048
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: the game. And of course, unlike radio, where you're supposed

1049
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: to go to communication school and learn how to backsell

1050
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: and do stuff in like fifteen seconds.

1051
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 2: Distinctly, it's really a learning process.

1052
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: Learning process when you podcast on your own without any

1053
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: communication training. Then I'll say, like, after twenty twenty kind

1054
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: of had a life epiphany, and without really getting too

1055
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: deep into it, let's just say that I became more

1056
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: aware of what I wanted to put out into the world.

1057
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: And I guess in some abstract way, I guess I'm

1058
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: going to Hamilton saying like not wasting my shot, or

1059
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: you know, Chuck de says, not rhyming for the sake

1060
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: of riddling. Just want to be more mindful of any

1061
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: content that I put out in the world. And you know,

1062
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: of course that's not in the kind of conservative eighties slash,

1063
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: you know, typic Gore way of you know, this whole

1064
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: idea that positivity or that sort of thing is seeing

1065
00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: as a bore or a negative. I think wisdom an

1066
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: accurate information. It's important. I think processing of emotions is important.

1067
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: I think creativity is important. I think a lot of

1068
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,919
Speaker 1: guests like coming onto the show because they're not here

1069
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: just to sell you product.

1070
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 2: You know, we're just so used to promoting the movie,

1071
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 2: promoting the movie.

1072
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: Promoting the movie, artists rarely get a chance to just

1073
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: talk about how they feel or feel safe to do, so,

1074
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: you know, and sometimes we've had episodes in which people

1075
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: have been wide open. One of the episodes which I

1076
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: you know, even though you've heard me say, like, oh,

1077
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: the Jimmy Jam episode or the Babyface episode or one

1078
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: of those drunken Christmas episodes, the Family Stand episode is

1079
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: definitely exemplary of where there was no filter whatsoever, and

1080
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, the truth came out, feelings came out. And

1081
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: then there's some episodes in which people held back. We

1082
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:03,919
Speaker 1: still to this day, Joe about Faith Newman's very type

1083
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: lipped experiences in the record industry in the eighties and nineties.

1084
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 2: Understandable.

1085
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 1: You know, what happens in life stays in life in

1086
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: that present moment when it was. But for me, like,

1087
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: wisdom is important. So that way, even if you listen

1088
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: to an old episode, like you could listen to that

1089
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: Jimmy Jam episode forever because he dropped so much wisdom gyms.

1090
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: So that's why wisdom's important, all right. So we've had

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Speaker 1: some rather difficult conversations on Questlove Supreme as well. Back

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Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, Solange recounted how she felt profiled at

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Speaker 1: a craft Work concert. There was one entry on your

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Speaker 1: site that really had me curious, and I wanted to

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Speaker 1: call you about it. What I've forgot to and that

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Speaker 1: was the I guess we can call it the craft

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Speaker 1: Work incident. Yeah, And the thing was I understood. I

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Speaker 1: guess what I got from it was that it's really

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Speaker 1: hard for you to make people understand that you still

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Speaker 1: go through human experiences, which because people perceived you as

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Speaker 1: coming from such a this.

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Speaker 2: Perceived dynasty of.

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Speaker 1: Giants that you know would be time to pull out

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Speaker 1: the violin or whatever, like, oh, you know, and it's

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Speaker 1: never validated. What I'm saying is that what I got

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Speaker 1: from that entry was the fact that you were frustrated

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Speaker 1: that you really couldn't figure out a way to express

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Speaker 1: the anger you have when those injustices and those situations

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Speaker 1: happened to you, because people don't see you as a

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Speaker 1: human being and just see you as part of this,

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Speaker 1: you know, this dynasty that's supposed to be taught line

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Speaker 1: to emotions, and I can imagine that being frustrating.

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Speaker 2: Can you explain the craft Work situation?

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Speaker 15: Yes, but I will say before before I get into

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Speaker 15: that just to carry on what you said. The thing

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Speaker 15: is is that doctor Dre is going through this in

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Speaker 15: front of his home, and Oprah Winfrey is going through this,

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Speaker 15: you know, in the Hermez store, and these are billionaires,

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Speaker 15: So that in that landscape, I think those kind of

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Speaker 15: micro aggressions happen to everyone daily as as a black

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Speaker 15: woman and man in this country. It doesn't matter your class,

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Speaker 15: it doesn't matter how much money you have, what kind

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Speaker 15: of quote unquote empire dynasty you come from.

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Speaker 16: That's just the lay of the land. Essentially.

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Speaker 15: My husband and my son who's twelve jewels, and his

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Speaker 15: friend Rashid, we went to see craft work. And the

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Speaker 15: interesting thing was it was a Friday night. My son

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Speaker 15: had his friend over. They had never heard of craft work,

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Speaker 15: to be honest, that was the last thing that they wanted.

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Speaker 16: To do with their Friday night.

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Speaker 15: So, you know, Allen and I are showing them YouTube

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Speaker 15: videos and trying to make the link with hip hop

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Speaker 15: to get them more interested, and showing them visuals and like, no,

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Speaker 15: you guys are gonna love this, like you know, just

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Speaker 15: relating and specifically showing the samples that Jules's uncle.

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Speaker 16: Sample of craftworks.

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Speaker 2: So whoever that is because it took me a minute.

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Speaker 16: So essentially.

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Speaker 15: That's important to note, just just for the story itself,

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Speaker 15: that here you have two young black kids who are

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Speaker 15: not really interested, don't have much, you know, knowledge about

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Speaker 15: this bad yeah, and we are, you know, trying to

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Speaker 15: navigate them into the show and build interests and whatever.

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Speaker 16: As soon as we walk in, we got our three

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Speaker 16: D glasses said their museum run.

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Speaker 15: No, this was at the Orpheum Theater and so yeah,

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Speaker 15: we're basically walking to our seats, and it just so

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Speaker 15: happened the very song.

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Speaker 16: Yes exactly was on, and so we were super stoked.

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Speaker 16: We had box seats.

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Speaker 15: There was two rows in front of us in one

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Speaker 15: row behind us, and we walked our seats and we're

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Speaker 15: dancing and these women essentially just started yelling at the

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Speaker 15: top of their lung sit.

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Speaker 1: Down, now, sit down, shut up.

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Speaker 5: You guys are been so disruptive.

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Speaker 15: And I turned around and I, in that moment, had

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Speaker 15: to make a decision. Am I gonna respond or am

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Speaker 15: I just going to enjoy this song and deal with

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Speaker 15: it later.

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Speaker 16: I actually clocked.

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Speaker 15: Into myself, you know, you have that moment, and said

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Speaker 15: I'm gonna dance to this song and then I'm gonna

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Speaker 15: sit my ass down because I already know where this

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Speaker 15: is heading. Simultaneously, which I didn't write about, which Alan

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Speaker 15: thought was really important for me to note and note you.

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Speaker 15: My son is he was eleven at the time, and

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Speaker 15: this the attendant comes over to him and his friend

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Speaker 15: who are sitting down.

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Speaker 16: They weren't standing up dancing. Alan an hour and.

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Speaker 15: Says, put your no electronic cigarettes. Put your cigarettes away

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Speaker 15: to these children.

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Speaker 16: Yes, yes, cigarettes, note you.

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Speaker 15: As soon as we walked in and we saw these

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Speaker 15: two older white men sitting in front smoking the cigarettes,

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Speaker 15: we took note of that. We weren't bothered, but you know,

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Speaker 15: it was just the assumption that if someone was breaking

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Speaker 15: the rule, surely it was the two eleven year old

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Speaker 15: black kids.

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Speaker 13: Because somebody said, yeah, yeah, vaping.

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Speaker 16: So it was just a lot of tension in general.

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Speaker 15: And thank God, by the grace of God, Allan opped

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Speaker 15: into that immediately and was like, ma'am, these are children,

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Speaker 15: You've got the wrong people.

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Speaker 16: Whatever.

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Speaker 15: And then after that, Alan's going to kill me for

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Speaker 15: for blinking on the name of the song Ottomond.

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Speaker 16: That comes on.

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Speaker 15: And on the ride there, Alan had played me the

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Speaker 15: entire twelve minute song, and it just so happened that

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Speaker 15: that's what they played. So I was like, well, I'm

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Speaker 15: gonna just dance to this one too, because we had

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Speaker 15: just had that moment, right, and we're at an electronic

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Speaker 15: dance music concert.

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Speaker 16: It's not like.

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Speaker 2: Engaged in.

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Speaker 15: So there's two there's two parts of this problem. The

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Speaker 15: problem is also that, you know, we probably should have

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Speaker 15: asked for floor seats, but we were under the assumption

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Speaker 15: that people were going to be dancing all night long.

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Speaker 2: So you're in the balcony of the theater.

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Speaker 15: Yes, so we're dancing, and then I feel something hit

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Speaker 15: me on the back of my head. But I say,

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Speaker 15: surely I am tripping, must be tripping, must be tripping, right,

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Speaker 15: So I actually tell Alan, I said, I swear, and

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Speaker 15: maybe I'm just losing my motherfucking black ass.

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Speaker 16: Might but I just felt something hit.

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Speaker 15: Me on the back of my head, and he was like, babe,

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Speaker 15: you might just be tripping, like just lay low. So

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Speaker 15: I actually, you know, shook it off, and then I

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Speaker 15: felt something harder, Oh yeah, me on my shoulder, and

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Speaker 15: my son, my eleven year old son, tapped me.

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Speaker 16: He picked up.

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Speaker 15: A line from the ground I have eating line, and

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Speaker 15: he said, Mom, I just watched these women throw this

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Speaker 15: at you.

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Speaker 13: Used to tested in all kinds of ways, and I feel.

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Speaker 16: So bad because they gave us the tickets.

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Speaker 15: I've never met them, but you know, it just it

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Speaker 15: just sucks that they also had to be associated with

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Speaker 15: this incident. But yeah, you know, in that moment, I

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Speaker 15: basically knew we had probably three choices. One was to react,

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Speaker 15: which probably would have led to someone getting arrested, you know,

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Speaker 15: just spiraling out of control.

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Speaker 16: Or I called the police on.

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Speaker 15: Them because essentially, you know, they did throw ship at me.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean, you know, you're here sometimes exactly that's

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Speaker 16: what they do.

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Speaker 15: Literally, But I knew that even if that happened that

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Speaker 15: somehow would it would still be our fault, or just

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Speaker 15: to just take it and be silenced, because I knew

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Speaker 15: that if I spoke to them that it would escalate.

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Speaker 16: And my son was there.

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Speaker 15: It was already traumatic enough for him to have to

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Speaker 15: experience that, especially in a context where it was a

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Speaker 15: predominantly white space, and he didn't want to be there

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Speaker 15: in the first place. And so now I think the

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Speaker 15: thing that saddened me the most is that here we are,

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Speaker 15: as parents trying to expand, you know, his horizon and

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Speaker 15: his experience and make him feel like he belongs wherever

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Speaker 15: he chooses to be.

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Speaker 16: But that was not the message that we got.

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Speaker 1: That next, what do you think he took from that experience, Like,

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Speaker 1: did you explain to him, Oh, yeah.

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Speaker 16: Several talks. No, No, we had several talks.

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Speaker 15: In fact, you know the we had it was it

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Speaker 15: was quite a three days after that.

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Speaker 16: I think that number one, I think just as as.

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Speaker 15: A young man and him and Alan, both as the

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Speaker 15: men and the family also felt silent and powerless just

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Speaker 15: in protecting me in that situation because they are black men,

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Speaker 15: and no matter what would have been said or done,

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Speaker 15: they would have been the aggressive in the situation. So

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Speaker 15: on one end, it was about teaching him, you know,

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Speaker 15: after the last eleven twelve now twelve years of teaching

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Speaker 15: him about injustices and how to stand up for himself

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Speaker 15: and to not be afraid and to speak up and

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Speaker 15: then having to say but right, So it was it

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Speaker 15: was just it's very complicated, but I felt the need

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Speaker 15: to write that piece for him.

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Speaker 16: I felt the need to essentially not be.

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Speaker 15: Silenced in that situation and to let him know that

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Speaker 15: there is an outlet in a way to use his

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Speaker 15: voice responsibly because there are so many people who read

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Speaker 15: that piece who I felt had a deeper understanding of

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Speaker 15: the microaggressions that we face as black men and women

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Speaker 15: on a daily basis, who were able to empathize, which

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Speaker 15: is something that we have the expectation of people to

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Speaker 15: do on a daily basis and to treat us with humanity.

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Speaker 15: But it was really interesting, and I felt regretful because

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Speaker 15: I had so much rage in the moment that I

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Speaker 15: started tweeting because I wanted them to see it.

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Speaker 16: When they got home, they were put on blast.

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Speaker 15: But I wish that I would have just channeled my

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Speaker 15: emotions and that waited and channeled in that piece, And

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Speaker 15: it was a great lesson learned that you know, it

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Speaker 15: really is no way to condense that experience in however

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Speaker 15: many letters that you get on one hundred and forty.

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Speaker 5: Characters had to write a book about it.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, it's really no way.

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Speaker 1: Solange's experiences related to something that I shared on the

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Speaker 1: show along with Journey Smollett and Journey and I shared

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01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 1: a story of the time that both she and I

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01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 1: got stopped by police, and these were the things that

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Speaker 1: people in the mainstream may not always hear because we

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Speaker 1: never get again asked about our daily life experiences.

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Speaker 2: It's all about our product.

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Speaker 1: We uh decided to share that story, and we felt

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Speaker 1: it was important to take our you know, take the

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Speaker 1: space to share our experiences journey.

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Speaker 2: Are we going to tell the story.

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Speaker 11: That story you're talking about, to.

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Speaker 2: Tell the story? You know the story? Answer? Yes, the story?

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Speaker 5: Oh said No, huh, okay, tell it, I'll tell it.

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Speaker 8: I mean, it's it's we were you're talking about the

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Speaker 8: Marina del Ray one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: So often what we.

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Speaker 11: Were doing is we were phone bank. You know, he's

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Speaker 11: talking about eight, Like really when we started heavily? No, no, no,

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Speaker 11: it was Maria del Ray.

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Speaker 2: We were leasing place where white people were. That's all

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Speaker 2: I remember. Maria.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we were leaving a grassroots organizing meeting. Were Obama

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Speaker 8: and eight and it was he was during the primaries.

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Speaker 8: He hadn't even won yet.

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Speaker 2: Tuesday.

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01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:09,559
Speaker 7: Yes, we were.

1309
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:11,719
Speaker 2: Depressed and we were depressed. He lost cow.

1310
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:14,720
Speaker 11: California to Hillary.

1311
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 8: We were so depressed and so he was driving his

1312
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:22,680
Speaker 8: Mini coup whatever whenever I mean, would come to l A.

1313
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 2: Would listen.

1314
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 1: You could you could tell like who's knowing me, like

1315
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 1: based on the car I was driving, doing the period.

1316
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 5: And it just goes from there.

1317
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you remember, I forgot the we were depressed. Then

1318
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 1: we then we go see like there will be blood

1319
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 1: or something like. It was something depressing, just something I remember.

1320
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 11: I don't remember, but we got pulled over.

1321
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 2: That's that's that's that's the story that slightly putting it. Yeah,

1322
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 2: I forgot.

1323
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 11: I mean pretty much we had. It was almost like

1324
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 11: that scene I think of traffic, traffic, it was it was.

1325
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 2: It was it was traffic for you. It was more

1326
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 2: like Boys in the Hood for me.

1327
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:12,600
Speaker 5: Having done she don't trying to think it was so

1328
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:14,600
Speaker 5: many stories in traffic, which was.

1329
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 1: A crash crash.

1330
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:19,759
Speaker 2: But they're both like the same kind of movie.

1331
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 11: They are a lot of stories and always confusing.

1332
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,559
Speaker 8: AnyWho, we get pulled over and I pull out my

1333
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 8: camera and I'm like starting.

1334
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 2: To It's not like it's a phone camera. It's like that.

1335
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 7: Jim Quarter.

1336
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 2: You have to hit the red button like a ghetto

1337
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 2: boom box, like one of the big motherfuckers.

1338
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 11: So the cop walks up to the car and and

1339
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 11: then Journey has the record.

1340
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was dead.

1341
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 8: Uh, it was like joy that damn thing.

1342
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 7: Wait, you ain't ele Baker right now? Okay, like to

1343
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:53,519
Speaker 7: take the time to be ele Baker.

1344
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 11: Put it away because it's massive, and so they they she.

1345
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 2: Was ready to start the revolution in the car, ready.

1346
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 11: To televise it. And you know, they asked me here

1347
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:08,679
Speaker 11: to get out of the car.

1348
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 8: Don't tell them why then they asked me to get

1349
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 8: out of the car.

1350
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 11: Oh oh, They start patting him down.

1351
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:19,880
Speaker 8: They walk him to the back of the car and

1352
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:22,639
Speaker 8: handcuff him, put him in the back of the car.

1353
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:27,520
Speaker 11: They pat me down, search me in ways.

1354
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 8: That I will say it was incredibly violated.

1355
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 1: They yeah, I mean the difference between now and then

1356
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:43,679
Speaker 1: is that, of course, with the technology it cell phones,

1357
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 1: you don't know if you're being recorded or not. But

1358
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 1: that was definitely, I mean, there's definitely, you know, a

1359
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 1: moment in time where they were just reckless because they

1360
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:55,679
Speaker 1: knew that nobody's ever going to see this or believe

1361
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:57,599
Speaker 1: this or get away with this. Even when they were

1362
01:18:57,640 --> 01:18:58,720
Speaker 1: asking me questions like.

1363
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:00,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, what were they say, like what happens?

1364
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:03,720
Speaker 1: We keep calling the thing is is that I know

1365
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's it's it's like the price, it's

1366
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 1: like it's like being on the prices right, And it's

1367
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:14,640
Speaker 1: like when you're home, you know that you know that

1368
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 1: bottle Windexes whatever six ninety nine or whatever. Like when

1369
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:20,679
Speaker 1: you're home, you know, you know all the answers on Jeopardy,

1370
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 1: But when you're there and you see the look in

1371
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 1: their eyes, I was just like, I'm going to die tonight,

1372
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 1: Like this is this is the it's the most helpless,

1373
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:40,599
Speaker 1: e masculating feelings ever. And you know he's talking about

1374
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 1: where's your register? I forgot what question he asked, And

1375
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:47,680
Speaker 1: I said, well, you know my I said, you know,

1376
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 1: my assistant at the office Internet, I mean like office.

1377
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 1: Like it's like you can't be too smart or else

1378
01:19:55,360 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 1: your assassin or that sort of thing. And your mind

1379
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:04,720
Speaker 1: is just blink because they know you don't know your

1380
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,759
Speaker 1: rights of course, you know, knowing what I've seen now,

1381
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 1: like we shouldn't have gotten out the car.

1382
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, how did he even put handcuffs on you?

1383
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 6: For what?

1384
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 11: Like, I don't well, they didn't give us any explanation.

1385
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 8: They then handcuffed me and put me in the back

1386
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 8: with the mirror and we sat there. It felt like

1387
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 8: an eternity sitting in the back of that car.

1388
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 6: Together.

1389
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:26,599
Speaker 8: We like neither one of us knew what to say.

1390
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 8: We just sat there in silence, you know, in the

1391
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 8: back or in front, in back, Oh.

1392
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 16: My god, that's.

1393
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:34,680
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1394
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:38,640
Speaker 8: And then they came back. They had like, you know,

1395
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 8: looked throughout everything in his car and my purse and

1396
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 8: and just kind of like handed him back his driver's

1397
01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 8: license and said, Okay, the weird.

1398
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:50,760
Speaker 1: Ship, the weirdest ship was they wanted to look in

1399
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:53,720
Speaker 1: the trunk and Journey and.

1400
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:55,639
Speaker 2: I had stopped by.

1401
01:20:57,040 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 1: Borders because Dawn manager had just moved to LA and

1402
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'm gonna get her. I'm gonna

1403
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 1: get her a deluxe crap. I'm gonna get her a

1404
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 1: deluxe scrabble game. In my mind, I was like, he's

1405
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 1: going to open this trunk and see all these scrabbles

1406
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:19,639
Speaker 1: and psychology books in the in the back, and he's

1407
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 1: going to say, there's no way it's this car belongs

1408
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 1: to these two.

1409
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:25,679
Speaker 6: Oh.

1410
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 1: And his thing was that and I never verified it.

1411
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 1: I think we did ask like, why did.

1412
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 2: You pull us over? Rich was calling me on the phone.

1413
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:38,639
Speaker 2: Here's the weird shit.

1414
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 1: Rich was calling me on the phone about Prince's table

1415
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 1: at the jam session. And me, quote being a good citizen.

1416
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, let me pull the car over

1417
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 1: so I can take this phone call, you know, or

1418
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 1: I could have just picked up the car, you know

1419
01:21:55,360 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 1: call while I was driving, but I didn't, and we

1420
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:05,760
Speaker 1: happen to be in front of a Mini Coup dealership.

1421
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, I mean he said.

1422
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 8: About you know, he said he said something as if

1423
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:15,799
Speaker 8: the lights the plates didn't match.

1424
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:19,560
Speaker 11: The rental car uh contract.

1425
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 8: And we were like, but how do you know to

1426
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:24,599
Speaker 8: pull us over to check to see if the plates

1427
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:26,600
Speaker 8: matched the rental car contract?

1428
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 11: Like you didn't have a.

1429
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:31,080
Speaker 8: Contract when you decided to pull us over to know

1430
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 8: if they didn't match.

1431
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 11: And and it just was pretty much they let us

1432
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 11: go without a ticket.

1433
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:40,720
Speaker 8: Without a warning, without anything, because there was nothing that

1434
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 8: Emir had actually done wrong.

1435
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 11: It was just he was driving while.

1436
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 8: Black in a Mini Coup with a big fro right,

1437
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:51,599
Speaker 8: and and we just felt, honestly, we just when we

1438
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 8: drove away, it bring night ruined just inside Mayor you

1439
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 8: kept you kept want to Grammy that week.

1440
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 1: That's a weird thing. I don't even consider it, like

1441
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:07,320
Speaker 1: even to look at that. I think that's when I

1442
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:11,799
Speaker 1: started just putting my ships in them, Like I honestly,

1443
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 1: if if you week was it that week?

1444
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:17,599
Speaker 2: The following Sunday I did eight?

1445
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 6: Right?

1446
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and so did you.

1447
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 6: Bill.

1448
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 13: I'm going to say it again.

1449
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 1: Oh damn, that was too Okay, you're right, Bill, You're

1450
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 1: not I get pulled over.

1451
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:34,640
Speaker 2: I did win a Grammy thank you anyway, So that's

1452
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 2: talk about it.

1453
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:40,680
Speaker 5: Like I was just I was gonna let that just

1454
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 5: because I know he know better, he was gonna come that.

1455
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:47,760
Speaker 17: No, no, no, I'm the mini Cooper. I'm sorry. I'm making

1456
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 17: a joke. I shouldn't, but I'm so fucked up by

1457
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:50,120
Speaker 17: all this.

1458
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 2: I don't know what to say.

1459
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:55,120
Speaker 1: Really, this is the one story I rarely share in

1460
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 1: public because it's just, you know, just the process, just

1461
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:00,840
Speaker 1: the process it.

1462
01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 8: But it was that word you kept using, you kept saying, jarn.

1463
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 8: I just feel so emasculated.

1464
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 17: Yeah for you to say yeah. Also, the two of

1465
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 17: you in the back of a cop card not speaking

1466
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 17: to each other is the quietest quiet I think I've

1467
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 17: ever heard of. Quiet, Like you're the most talking of

1468
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:19,800
Speaker 17: people I've met in a long time. I feel like

1469
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:21,679
Speaker 17: you would have a lot to say in this particular

1470
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 17: crazy fucked up momentat quiet, it's even more the intense

1471
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 17: than we.

1472
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 1: Live in such a machismo society where I don't let

1473
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:37,720
Speaker 1: other men overpower them in anything and intellect, physically or

1474
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 1: those things. But it's almost like this unspoken thing that

1475
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 1: citizens know that any moment a cop can in your

1476
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 1: life within the bounds of the quote unquote law, and for.

1477
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 5: You, Amir has been to do about it, and you

1478
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 5: had journey with you.

1479
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:54,639
Speaker 8: So as a man, that's what I.

1480
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:57,719
Speaker 11: Was going to say. It's it's deep.

1481
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 8: It goes back to the slave days of like, you know,

1482
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 8: the emasculation of the black man, of like, Okay, we're

1483
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:08,200
Speaker 8: going to do this in front of you and say

1484
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 8: nothing this woman, and guess what, guess what you can't do.

1485
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 8: You can't stop us, right, And so that's what we

1486
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:19,840
Speaker 8: both could feel as we were driving away and he

1487
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:21,720
Speaker 8: kept being like, John, I'm so sorry, and I kept

1488
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 8: being like, what could you have done?

1489
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 11: There was nothing you could have done. Like, we made

1490
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 11: it out a lot.

1491
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 7: That's better than a lot.

1492
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 8: Of people in this situation can say, like, and that's

1493
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 8: a shitty that's a shitty reality to have to settle for.

1494
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 11: It's like, oh well, at least we made it out

1495
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:40,120
Speaker 11: a lot, but we did, y'all. We made it out alive.

1496
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:40,600
Speaker 7: You know.

1497
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:44,680
Speaker 8: That's the shitty thing of driving while black, and the

1498
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 8: shitty thing of you know, walking and walking by black

1499
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:52,719
Speaker 8: black or black and male.

1500
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 11: You know.

1501
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:58,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you had any situation like that ever? Or since?

1502
01:25:59,560 --> 01:25:59,720
Speaker 6: Oh?

1503
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:03,640
Speaker 11: God, yeah, yeah.

1504
01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 13: You know.

1505
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:07,920
Speaker 8: I've shot so much in the South too, you know,

1506
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 8: so I've had several experiences. I mean, I remember shooting

1507
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 8: Great Debaters. Was that after before I can't remember. I

1508
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:16,360
Speaker 8: think that was before, but I remember we did the

1509
01:26:16,439 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 8: lynching scene and I was driving a set in the

1510
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:22,400
Speaker 8: van and over the radio I heard one of the

1511
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:26,000
Speaker 8: teamsters say, well, we're having a lunch in today, ladies

1512
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:29,880
Speaker 8: and gentlemen. I mean, like, yeah, I've dealt with some

1513
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:35,800
Speaker 8: crazy as stuff, you know, yeah, as you all have too.

1514
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:38,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you deal with it and then you acted out.

1515
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 13: It's different, you like re enacted.

1516
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 5: So it's it's to me, it's like.

1517
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:45,559
Speaker 8: Well that's my that's my way of channeling the pain,

1518
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:49,240
Speaker 8: I guess, yeah, is trying to place it somewhere.

1519
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:49,800
Speaker 4: You know.

1520
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 8: Obviously with love Craft, there was a lot I had

1521
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 8: to pull bro Okay, A lot in my life was

1522
01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:58,160
Speaker 8: shitty at that time.

1523
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:04,719
Speaker 2: But is there talks of season two or a return or.

1524
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:07,800
Speaker 14: I don't know that's interesting.

1525
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:11,559
Speaker 2: Wait still, this is not an instant slam dunk.

1526
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 5: And she said we will see like we will see

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01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:15,959
Speaker 5: like we will see.

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01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:18,280
Speaker 7: I mean as in, like.

1529
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 11: The powers that be that's above my pay grades.

1530
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:25,439
Speaker 5: To get their ship together. That's what I know.

1531
01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 1: Nothing angers me more when I get emotionally involved in

1532
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 1: a series only for it to be yanked away.

1533
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:40,640
Speaker 17: Phone calls that you can't make your phone calls at

1534
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:42,560
Speaker 17: what I am exactly.

1535
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 8: The good news is that all signs point to very

1536
01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:51,760
Speaker 8: positive response from folks, from critics from I mean, the

1537
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:56,599
Speaker 8: I was recently told the pilot is like it's, you know,

1538
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:58,760
Speaker 8: setting records for how many people have watched it.

1539
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 18: So it's yeah, I'm sure that I count for I

1540
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 18: count for twenty eight of those views. Johnny, I watched

1541
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 18: the pilot like maybe eleven times because I've made other

1542
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:10,840
Speaker 18: people me too.

1543
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:12,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, watch as well.

1544
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 11: We're in good shape, y'all.

1545
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 7: We're in good shape, all right.

1546
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 1: So Qols discusses black history through political and global lenses.

1547
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 1: Here's Angela Raie speaking about what she learned from Congresswoman

1548
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:31,520
Speaker 1: Maximum waters.

1549
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:34,920
Speaker 2: I hope Angela Rye runs for office one day.

1550
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna manifest that for her, although I wouldn't wish

1551
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:41,600
Speaker 1: it on anyone because of the amount of stressed and

1552
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:44,080
Speaker 1: gaslighting one has to deal with, but.

1553
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 2: I would like to see that. So Angela Raie.

1554
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:52,360
Speaker 1: Of course, Lensenderry for her work on the Congressional Black Caucus,

1555
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:58,080
Speaker 1: and even though this was from twenty seventeen, it's unfortunately

1556
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:00,680
Speaker 1: still very relevant.

1557
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 5: Can you break down what the Black CAUs does? Because

1558
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:04,240
Speaker 5: there are people who really don't.

1559
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:07,639
Speaker 19: Know, sure they're often they don't know, especially those that say,

1560
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 19: where's the Congressional White Caucus, as if the rest of

1561
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:11,679
Speaker 19: the four hundred and thirty five members aren't white?

1562
01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:12,240
Speaker 16: I digress.

1563
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 19: So the Congressional Black Caucus is an entity that was

1564
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 19: founded in nineteen seventy one. By then, I think it

1565
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:23,920
Speaker 19: was twelve members that were black in the House of

1566
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:27,679
Speaker 19: Representatives and they established the organization so that there could

1567
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:30,240
Speaker 19: be a space where black people's issues were heard. They're

1568
01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:32,720
Speaker 19: known as the Conscience of the Congress and now they

1569
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:37,040
Speaker 19: are almost to fifty members. And of course there are

1570
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:40,759
Speaker 19: two senators in the United States Senate who also serve

1571
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:44,000
Speaker 19: as members of the Congressional Black Caucus. There are three

1572
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:49,759
Speaker 19: Black senators, but one opted not to join. Tim Scott say, thank.

1573
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:50,280
Speaker 5: You, write it down.

1574
01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:56,280
Speaker 1: So can I assume that most of the members of

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01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:58,400
Speaker 1: the CBC are Democrat?

1576
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:03,560
Speaker 19: Yes, there is one current member of the CBC who's Republican.

1577
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:07,160
Speaker 19: Her name is Mia Love. She is from Utah. My

1578
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:08,800
Speaker 19: aunt that's not your aunt.

1579
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:11,360
Speaker 2: Well, her last name was Love. So just that all

1580
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 2: loves related.

1581
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:17,200
Speaker 19: My dad normally says maybe the same plantation. That's what

1582
01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:19,080
Speaker 19: he says today, Just to be honest with you, that's

1583
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:19,400
Speaker 19: what he.

1584
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:21,360
Speaker 2: Says, the same plantation.

1585
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:21,800
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1586
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:23,599
Speaker 2: Has she attended meetings or Yeah?

1587
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:27,040
Speaker 19: She has been active on some issues. She it definitely

1588
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:30,000
Speaker 19: divergent on others, but she's been active on some issues.

1589
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:30,639
Speaker 3: I see.

1590
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 1: So not why because I appreciate your your grassroots involvement

1591
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:42,920
Speaker 1: and you using elbow grease and getting down and dirty,

1592
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:47,000
Speaker 1: but why would you choose this particular field?

1593
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:50,080
Speaker 2: I mean, you went to law school. You could have

1594
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:53,080
Speaker 2: you know, you could have just.

1595
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:55,559
Speaker 4: Been some other stuff.

1596
01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean what what truly made you?

1597
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:02,240
Speaker 1: Was it following the family business or in your father's

1598
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:07,240
Speaker 1: footsteps as far as the community, like what most lawyers

1599
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:10,320
Speaker 1: I know are thinking in terms of, oh, success from

1600
01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:12,760
Speaker 1: my own law firm, being a partner and that sort

1601
01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 1: of thing.

1602
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:14,720
Speaker 2: So should we know who her father is?

1603
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:19,599
Speaker 19: His name is Eddie Yeer Jr. He's an activist in Seattle.

1604
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:22,760
Speaker 19: But it's actually a really interesting story. What I'll tell

1605
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:27,040
Speaker 19: you is there were two other paths that I thought

1606
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 19: I would choose before I chose politics. I grew up

1607
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:32,559
Speaker 19: in a house with a dad who's an activist, and

1608
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:35,600
Speaker 19: I thought he was always on the opposite side.

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01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:37,200
Speaker 16: Of elected politics.

1610
01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:39,240
Speaker 19: So I hated it growing up because I couldn't understand

1611
01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 19: why they didn't understand why, you know, why he was

1612
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:46,200
Speaker 19: pressing pressing for you know, or a part of the

1613
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:50,320
Speaker 19: parts antipartsy movements, or you know, getting involved with ensuring

1614
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:54,919
Speaker 19: that subcontractors and contractors of color had an equal share.

1615
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:55,160
Speaker 16: Of the pie.

1616
01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:57,160
Speaker 19: I didn't understand why that was even an issue, right,

1617
01:31:58,200 --> 01:32:01,280
Speaker 19: And so growing up with him, I hated politics because

1618
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:04,599
Speaker 19: they were never on his side. And it wasn't until

1619
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:08,640
Speaker 19: I was in my last year, my fall semester of

1620
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:12,559
Speaker 19: law school. I wanted to do an internship in Los

1621
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:17,479
Speaker 19: Angeles and Maxine Waters was someone I respected a lot,

1622
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:18,760
Speaker 19: and so I was like, well, if I can learn

1623
01:32:18,760 --> 01:32:20,640
Speaker 19: from her, you know, maybe this will be good. But

1624
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:23,760
Speaker 19: I'm gonna go so that I could be a trial attorney.

1625
01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:24,120
Speaker 5: Like Johnny Coppran.

1626
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:27,360
Speaker 19: I just want to get an offer at the Cochran firm.

1627
01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:29,639
Speaker 19: And before that, I wanted to be a sports entertainment lawyer.

1628
01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:31,719
Speaker 19: But I'll save that story for another day. It's really

1629
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:35,519
Speaker 19: interesting how that happened or didn't happen. But in my

1630
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:38,240
Speaker 19: I did my internship and like fell in love with

1631
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:42,320
Speaker 19: the bridge between activism and politics, and there's no better

1632
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:46,280
Speaker 19: bridge for that than Maxine Waters. I started calling her

1633
01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:49,840
Speaker 19: the Nation's Congresswoman then that was in two thousand four,

1634
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:53,639
Speaker 19: two thousand and five, and just loved working with her,

1635
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:58,080
Speaker 19: loved how she made everything work together for us, regardless

1636
01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:00,960
Speaker 19: of if we lived in her district or not. And

1637
01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:03,840
Speaker 19: I did get an offer from the Cochran firm, like

1638
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:06,160
Speaker 19: had a mentor, Shawn Chapman Holly shout out to Seawan

1639
01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:09,000
Speaker 19: Chapman Holly, who's still a good friend, had an offer

1640
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 19: with the firm, and then he died, damn, And I

1641
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:14,479
Speaker 19: was like, oh Lord, maybe this wasn't the path. So

1642
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:17,320
Speaker 19: at my the National Black Lost in Association.

1643
01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:21,200
Speaker 2: Weird he died with your thousand and five Okay.

1644
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:24,639
Speaker 19: At the convention, I was getting ready to introduce Congressman

1645
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:25,840
Speaker 19: Waters who came to our convention.

1646
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:27,320
Speaker 5: I was like, what am I gonna do now?

1647
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 19: Johnny concran died, and She's like, I told you to

1648
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:31,080
Speaker 19: go to the hill. So I was like, well, maybe

1649
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:34,160
Speaker 19: y'all think about that now. And that's really the short

1650
01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:37,120
Speaker 19: version of how that happened. But she's never been wrong,

1651
01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:40,200
Speaker 19: and I'm so happy to see millennials woke about her now.

1652
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 19: But she been doing this. The nation's congresswoman, Queen Maxine's

1653
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:44,439
Speaker 19: been doing this.

1654
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:47,519
Speaker 5: So you got her back to it all makes sense

1655
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:49,599
Speaker 5: now too. Why you had her back even more when

1656
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:52,519
Speaker 5: that whole stupid bill o'reiley, I think.

1657
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:53,360
Speaker 19: I would have had any results.

1658
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:55,280
Speaker 5: I want to through that. That was stupid.

1659
01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:57,960
Speaker 19: She's on the floor of the United States House of

1660
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:01,120
Speaker 19: Representatives talking about what patriots in the era of Trump

1661
01:34:01,160 --> 01:34:05,280
Speaker 19: really means, like it's not, you know, pledging blind allegiance

1662
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:08,720
Speaker 19: to some concept. It's about standing up for what we

1663
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:11,559
Speaker 19: know to be truthful and righteous. And for her to

1664
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:13,559
Speaker 19: be talking about that and he's talking about it, damn

1665
01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:15,680
Speaker 19: James Brown Wig. It took me to send me to

1666
01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:20,519
Speaker 19: a place it's dismissive. Yeah, yeah, among other things, a.

1667
01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:22,639
Speaker 2: Lot of shit, but dismissive of the kind.

1668
01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:24,439
Speaker 16: Yes, that was very kind of.

1669
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:30,520
Speaker 1: So do you I mean, obviously, I know it gets overwhelming,

1670
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:37,200
Speaker 1: but just watching you in action, of course, like in

1671
01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:40,640
Speaker 1: the age of social media, a lot of people are

1672
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:45,439
Speaker 1: familiar with you as as far as your your clips

1673
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:53,080
Speaker 1: on the internet, usually going at people well and rightfully,

1674
01:34:53,120 --> 01:34:58,840
Speaker 1: so whenever facts are are are sprouted out. And that's

1675
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:01,599
Speaker 1: the thing, like when I when I watch you go

1676
01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:06,880
Speaker 1: against two, three, four people at a time, it is

1677
01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:08,760
Speaker 1: I mean, it's baffling to me. I don't know if

1678
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:11,200
Speaker 1: it's the equivalent of someone asking, well, you know, how

1679
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:13,240
Speaker 1: do you how do you coordinate your kick drum and

1680
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 1: your high hat foot in your left hand in your

1681
01:35:15,080 --> 01:35:17,000
Speaker 1: right hand and talk to people?

1682
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:18,720
Speaker 5: You know, how are you not exhausted?

1683
01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:20,680
Speaker 16: I didn't say I wasn't exhausted.

1684
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:26,000
Speaker 1: I did not say that, But I mean have I mean,

1685
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:30,640
Speaker 1: as I read the the era that we live in now,

1686
01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:33,880
Speaker 1: which is, of course, I guess the alternative facts era

1687
01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:37,840
Speaker 1: in which things are said with such a straight face,

1688
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:41,599
Speaker 1: I think, you know, in general, a lot of us

1689
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:46,400
Speaker 1: have been programmed to believe that if any information comes

1690
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:51,799
Speaker 1: from someone wearing a suit and spoken in the King's English,

1691
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:55,040
Speaker 1: then why should they lie to me? Like, you know,

1692
01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:57,799
Speaker 1: why would they want to lie to me? And usually,

1693
01:35:57,880 --> 01:36:00,519
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of benefits of doubt are given,

1694
01:36:02,280 --> 01:36:07,640
Speaker 1: and we're seeing straight up false information. How I mean

1695
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:10,599
Speaker 1: to me, it's like the equivalent of you playing a

1696
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:14,840
Speaker 1: tennis match to with five people on the other side. Yeah, yeah,

1697
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:16,920
Speaker 1: I mean, how do you I mean, just in this era,

1698
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:21,760
Speaker 1: especially when you agreed to do pundit remarks on on shows,

1699
01:36:23,080 --> 01:36:25,519
Speaker 1: how do you grasp your information? Because you have to

1700
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:28,559
Speaker 1: know what they stand for and how they come Like

1701
01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:30,280
Speaker 1: do you does someone train you?

1702
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:30,920
Speaker 2: Is it?

1703
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:31,599
Speaker 6: No?

1704
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:35,720
Speaker 19: I've never had media training, but I will say that

1705
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:39,840
Speaker 19: I did get Crossfire training. I don't know if you

1706
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:42,120
Speaker 19: all remember Crossfired, like the CNN show back in the

1707
01:36:42,160 --> 01:36:43,760
Speaker 19: day when it was all the old white dudes at

1708
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:44,200
Speaker 19: the table.

1709
01:36:45,439 --> 01:36:46,360
Speaker 5: Just growing up with my dad.

1710
01:36:46,439 --> 01:36:49,519
Speaker 19: Now he doesn't lie, but we don't always agree on

1711
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:52,720
Speaker 19: the means to an end goal. So growing up like

1712
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:55,639
Speaker 19: just debating him or you know, talking to my friends,

1713
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:58,559
Speaker 19: or debating race issues, like I went to a majority

1714
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:01,080
Speaker 19: white high school, you know, started to black student union,

1715
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:03,640
Speaker 19: and so you get used to having to explain to

1716
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:06,519
Speaker 19: people your perspective because it's not the majority view.

1717
01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:07,920
Speaker 16: So whether or not.

1718
01:37:08,160 --> 01:37:12,599
Speaker 19: This is this may be an alternate universe, but it's

1719
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:15,559
Speaker 19: still not the majority view on the panel, so it's

1720
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:16,320
Speaker 19: just debating.

1721
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:19,120
Speaker 16: The problem I have, and I think when.

1722
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:24,480
Speaker 19: People see me get really upset is when I remember

1723
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:29,600
Speaker 19: the responsibility that we have to give people factual information.

1724
01:37:29,800 --> 01:37:32,439
Speaker 19: I think the frustration that I have, if nothing else

1725
01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:36,559
Speaker 19: right now, is being able to speak to people in

1726
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:39,680
Speaker 19: their homes on their TV screens is an awesome privilege,

1727
01:37:40,120 --> 01:37:43,320
Speaker 19: and we have an obligation to give them information they

1728
01:37:43,360 --> 01:37:46,559
Speaker 19: can rely upon. And so I'll normally lose it, especially

1729
01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:48,680
Speaker 19: on like black networks, like on TV one. If I'm

1730
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:52,040
Speaker 19: on Rolling Show and somebody's lying, I flip out, like

1731
01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:55,160
Speaker 19: there's been you know, Jiff or Gift depending on how

1732
01:37:55,160 --> 01:37:58,479
Speaker 19: you said jiffable moments just from that, like please don't

1733
01:37:58,479 --> 01:38:02,080
Speaker 19: come here and lie to our folks. Not that folks

1734
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 19: should be lied to unseen in either, but I just

1735
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:07,000
Speaker 19: think that there's a different type of responsibility and even

1736
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:09,759
Speaker 19: with seeing it, and I think it is really hard

1737
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:14,679
Speaker 19: because I remember one of the debates during the general

1738
01:38:14,720 --> 01:38:20,240
Speaker 19: election the Debate Commission decided that the moderator did not

1739
01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:24,120
Speaker 19: have an obligation to fact check the candidates, and I

1740
01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:24,680
Speaker 19: lost it.

1741
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:27,559
Speaker 5: I was like, what do you mean, Like, that's your only.

1742
01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:30,479
Speaker 19: Responsibility besides asking the questions like you had one job

1743
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:33,800
Speaker 19: or two? You know, one an one b like all

1744
01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:35,920
Speaker 19: in one, but you have something What do you mean like,

1745
01:38:36,040 --> 01:38:38,479
Speaker 19: of course you have to make sure that they're being like,

1746
01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:41,120
Speaker 19: what are you debating? Then if if facts become a

1747
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:44,040
Speaker 19: debatable point and not just the perspectives on those facts,

1748
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:46,400
Speaker 19: that is a new challenge.

1749
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:47,840
Speaker 16: And so I do.

1750
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:52,120
Speaker 19: I find it immensely frustrating because I don't understand how

1751
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:54,720
Speaker 19: someone could be deemed credible at all if they're not

1752
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:57,840
Speaker 19: relying on the same principle of truth. You know, it's

1753
01:38:57,880 --> 01:39:01,559
Speaker 19: just it's maddening, really, it really really is. And so

1754
01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:03,720
Speaker 19: to me, I just think that the energy I take

1755
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:06,640
Speaker 19: into those spaces is if you're not going to be

1756
01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:08,519
Speaker 19: told the truth from anyone else, you're going to hear

1757
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:10,519
Speaker 19: it from me. And if I'm ever if I ever

1758
01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:13,400
Speaker 19: misspeak on something, if a stat is wrong, you know,

1759
01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:15,240
Speaker 19: if I said a word wrong, I'll fact check it

1760
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:17,439
Speaker 19: later on Twitter. But I'm not gonna lie to people

1761
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:19,479
Speaker 19: intentionally deceiving.

1762
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:20,920
Speaker 7: Them like that is just wrong.

1763
01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:23,840
Speaker 5: And that's just kind of where I draw the line.

1764
01:39:24,520 --> 01:39:32,840
Speaker 2: Now as of this particular taping. Right now, the healthcare.

1765
01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:38,479
Speaker 1: Situation is in the hands of the Senate, and I'm

1766
01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:43,559
Speaker 1: seeing a lot of them. I guess at one point

1767
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:45,800
Speaker 1: on Twitter there were at least three or four of

1768
01:39:45,800 --> 01:39:50,600
Speaker 1: them that tweeted out or gave interviews sorted to the

1769
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:55,280
Speaker 1: tune of you know, you're saying that you know that

1770
01:39:55,760 --> 01:39:58,800
Speaker 1: twenty two million people might lose their insurance or and

1771
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:02,800
Speaker 1: this several hundred thousand might die if this law goes

1772
01:40:02,840 --> 01:40:06,800
Speaker 1: and you know that was that was not a good

1773
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:11,240
Speaker 1: conversation point to sway them the other way. But I mean,

1774
01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:14,400
Speaker 1: what is for those because I have a lot of

1775
01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:18,280
Speaker 1: friends who are so overwhelmed with what's going on that

1776
01:40:18,439 --> 01:40:23,120
Speaker 1: now my friends are at the point where they're just

1777
01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:29,120
Speaker 1: so not even past the point of indifference, but just

1778
01:40:29,200 --> 01:40:31,160
Speaker 1: so overwhelmed that they don't.

1779
01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:31,920
Speaker 2: Watch the news at all.

1780
01:40:33,439 --> 01:40:37,439
Speaker 1: And these are the ones who are generally on my

1781
01:40:37,560 --> 01:40:38,200
Speaker 1: side of the fence.

1782
01:40:38,200 --> 01:40:38,559
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1783
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:40,920
Speaker 1: I can't sleep at night unless I at least watch

1784
01:40:41,560 --> 01:40:44,000
Speaker 1: an hour or two of at least Rachel's show, or

1785
01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:45,880
Speaker 1: just someone that I know that's going to give.

1786
01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:52,439
Speaker 2: Me straight up facts. But how do you how do we.

1787
01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:59,599
Speaker 1: Reignite people or a community of people that just feel

1788
01:40:59,640 --> 01:41:02,599
Speaker 1: like it's it's no use.

1789
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:06,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, no use. I started. God, have you guys heard

1790
01:41:06,439 --> 01:41:08,400
Speaker 2: of a handmaids Handmaid's Tale?

1791
01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:09,400
Speaker 13: I haven't watched it yet.

1792
01:41:09,479 --> 01:41:11,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you watched it? I haven't watched it, but

1793
01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:13,880
Speaker 2: I know something. It's yeah, I heard.

1794
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:16,000
Speaker 5: It's the future really sad like like.

1795
01:41:16,040 --> 01:41:18,679
Speaker 1: If you yeah, if you think that like a House

1796
01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:22,440
Speaker 1: of Cards or you know, whatever's being depicted now in

1797
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:28,160
Speaker 1: television as don't hamm okay, almost feels like this is

1798
01:41:28,360 --> 01:41:29,439
Speaker 1: that's where it's going to go to.

1799
01:41:29,640 --> 01:41:31,600
Speaker 2: Okay, I checked that. I haven't even watched it. I

1800
01:41:31,640 --> 01:41:33,919
Speaker 2: gave up on House of Cards, like I just because.

1801
01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:33,920
Speaker 13: It was.

1802
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:36,519
Speaker 5: Right.

1803
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:37,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't.

1804
01:41:37,439 --> 01:41:39,040
Speaker 5: I don't know how they did that. Yeah, I like

1805
01:41:39,080 --> 01:41:43,160
Speaker 5: weight blame House of Cards actually right, all of it.

1806
01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:44,479
Speaker 2: You're not even being ironic.

1807
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:49,680
Speaker 19: Just I need to find somebody to blame because this

1808
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:53,479
Speaker 19: makes no sense besides old lad like I just I

1809
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:55,360
Speaker 19: gotta I don't know, don't happen.

1810
01:41:55,200 --> 01:41:57,040
Speaker 5: On the hils of what a Mirror said and on

1811
01:41:57,080 --> 01:42:00,559
Speaker 5: that note, how do you prioritize the issues you should

1812
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:02,240
Speaker 5: be most careing about, because yes, health care is the

1813
01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:06,040
Speaker 5: issue right now, but there are numerous issues that you know,

1814
01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:09,200
Speaker 5: our president right now and his congress are about the

1815
01:42:09,240 --> 01:42:12,040
Speaker 5: fuck up life with. So how do you do that, Angela?

1816
01:42:12,120 --> 01:42:16,920
Speaker 19: How do you prioritize so first that y'all's president's that's

1817
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:21,200
Speaker 19: so no. So I think that that's a really, really

1818
01:42:21,200 --> 01:42:24,120
Speaker 19: good question, And what I appreciate about it is I

1819
01:42:24,160 --> 01:42:28,320
Speaker 19: get so frustrated with whether they're elected officials that are

1820
01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:31,200
Speaker 19: sitting members of Congress right now, who will say, well,

1821
01:42:31,240 --> 01:42:33,280
Speaker 19: we don't need to be talking about Russia because what

1822
01:42:33,320 --> 01:42:35,760
Speaker 19: people really want to know about is their health care.

1823
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:37,880
Speaker 5: What people really want to know about is you know

1824
01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:38,280
Speaker 5: where the.

1825
01:42:38,240 --> 01:42:39,919
Speaker 16: Next job is going to come from the economy.

1826
01:42:40,680 --> 01:42:41,759
Speaker 5: But here's the that's.

1827
01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:44,479
Speaker 19: Right, And if so, if we're honest, every single day,

1828
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:47,880
Speaker 19: all of us are responsible for balancing something mer we

1829
01:42:47,920 --> 01:42:50,600
Speaker 19: were talking about your time earlier, like we're responsible for

1830
01:42:50,720 --> 01:42:55,240
Speaker 19: balancing some things. We are people who can walk into

1831
01:42:55,360 --> 01:42:58,080
Speaker 19: gum at the same time and be okay. So it's

1832
01:42:58,120 --> 01:42:59,680
Speaker 19: actually okay for us to try to get to the

1833
01:42:59,680 --> 01:43:02,320
Speaker 19: bottom of what happened with Russia and how they ended

1834
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:06,840
Speaker 19: up in several you know polls, you know, precincts, messing

1835
01:43:06,920 --> 01:43:09,720
Speaker 19: with stuff. You know, that's important for us to understand

1836
01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:14,680
Speaker 19: because over time, if if countries, if entities can continue

1837
01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:19,360
Speaker 19: to uh interrupt and disrupt our democracy the ways in

1838
01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:22,120
Speaker 19: which we engage in the electoral process, people are going

1839
01:43:22,160 --> 01:43:26,600
Speaker 19: to become disillusioned with that. That is very very very dangerous.

1840
01:43:26,439 --> 01:43:30,439
Speaker 19: That's exactly right. That means a select few are picking

1841
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:34,080
Speaker 19: your your leaders. And what happens is this healthcare bill

1842
01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:36,760
Speaker 19: to bring this back full circle, which is you know,

1843
01:43:37,280 --> 01:43:40,800
Speaker 19: very toxic. It is you know, it's it's it's it's

1844
01:43:40,840 --> 01:43:43,519
Speaker 19: a tax cut for billionaires. You know, it is a

1845
01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:47,639
Speaker 19: way of One of the Senate compromises that came about

1846
01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:51,960
Speaker 19: yesterday was okay, well we'll just uh, we'll reinstitute the

1847
01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:57,000
Speaker 19: mandatory healthcare you have to sign up mandatorily. But what

1848
01:43:57,000 --> 01:43:58,720
Speaker 19: we're going to do is if there's a lapse in

1849
01:43:58,760 --> 01:44:02,080
Speaker 19: your health care, then there's gonna be a six month

1850
01:44:02,120 --> 01:44:03,559
Speaker 19: window for you to get healthcare.

1851
01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:03,920
Speaker 16: Again.

1852
01:44:04,280 --> 01:44:07,160
Speaker 19: What happens if something happens to you in those six

1853
01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:09,519
Speaker 19: months and you can't afford to pay for health care

1854
01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:10,480
Speaker 19: out of pocket.

1855
01:44:10,520 --> 01:44:11,720
Speaker 7: That's not a compromise.

1856
01:44:11,880 --> 01:44:13,880
Speaker 19: And if it's a compromise, who is it on the

1857
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:16,720
Speaker 19: backs of And those are folks who normally look like us,

1858
01:44:16,760 --> 01:44:20,200
Speaker 19: if they're underserved and marginalized communities, black and brown communities.

1859
01:44:20,360 --> 01:44:21,519
Speaker 7: We have to pay attention.

1860
01:44:21,960 --> 01:44:24,439
Speaker 19: And so if there's nothing else that I hope comes

1861
01:44:24,439 --> 01:44:28,599
Speaker 19: out of this treacherous, dangerous, awful time, it is that

1862
01:44:28,680 --> 01:44:32,439
Speaker 19: I hope we realize that these people are working for us.

1863
01:44:32,439 --> 01:44:35,639
Speaker 19: And I use this analogy on a panel the other day.

1864
01:44:36,320 --> 01:44:38,439
Speaker 19: There's not a single one of us who if we

1865
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:41,840
Speaker 19: are employing people, just are like, Okay, we're gonna pay you.

1866
01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:44,160
Speaker 19: You go and do whatever, and never check in. There's

1867
01:44:44,200 --> 01:44:47,040
Speaker 19: a team call, there's a team meeting, there's an agenda,

1868
01:44:47,200 --> 01:44:50,960
Speaker 19: there's some type of metrics for accountability where they have

1869
01:44:51,080 --> 01:44:54,240
Speaker 19: to check in with us. We pay these people, they

1870
01:44:54,320 --> 01:44:57,000
Speaker 19: owe us answers, they owe us to do the right thing.

1871
01:44:57,040 --> 01:44:59,840
Speaker 5: I think it's town halls, and town halls aren't even

1872
01:44:59,880 --> 01:45:02,320
Speaker 5: a got to show up to those, and people.

1873
01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:04,479
Speaker 19: Are starting to show up townhouse. But even that's not enough.

1874
01:45:04,520 --> 01:45:06,559
Speaker 19: We need to be checking them on what they're doing,

1875
01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:09,200
Speaker 19: what they're doing in pacts us more in some instances

1876
01:45:09,240 --> 01:45:10,360
Speaker 19: than the employees that we have.

1877
01:45:12,320 --> 01:45:15,720
Speaker 1: All Right, here is Gina your share speaking about her

1878
01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:20,360
Speaker 1: family who immigrated to London, England from Nigeria and the

1879
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:23,320
Speaker 1: experiences that they had and it's a fact.

1880
01:45:23,120 --> 01:45:26,000
Speaker 2: On Gina's upbringing. This from twenty twenty one.

1881
01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:29,400
Speaker 5: Can I ask the question though, because even though Gina

1882
01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:31,840
Speaker 5: is born and raised in London, her mother is not,

1883
01:45:32,280 --> 01:45:34,360
Speaker 5: and so I must think that your mother does not

1884
01:45:34,439 --> 01:45:38,080
Speaker 5: feel the same way about this English food. And on

1885
01:45:38,120 --> 01:45:40,120
Speaker 5: the back of that question, can you also break down

1886
01:45:40,479 --> 01:45:44,000
Speaker 5: like how dope and royal of a situation your mother

1887
01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:45,840
Speaker 5: came to to come and they came to London and

1888
01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:47,280
Speaker 5: it was a flip of thew the switch.

1889
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:49,919
Speaker 20: Oh yeah, For one, my mom loves a bit of babings,

1890
01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:50,600
Speaker 20: don't even knock it.

1891
01:45:50,920 --> 01:45:51,719
Speaker 14: My mom is full.

1892
01:45:51,640 --> 01:45:54,639
Speaker 20: Nightge though she loves Nigean food like when mother kids

1893
01:45:54,760 --> 01:45:57,280
Speaker 20: at Nigeria foods in the house. But my mom loved

1894
01:45:57,320 --> 01:46:02,519
Speaker 20: mashed potatoes and my mom loves beans, so it was

1895
01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:05,720
Speaker 20: the dichotomy. But yeah, yeah, my mom was from a

1896
01:46:05,760 --> 01:46:07,880
Speaker 20: wealthy way well on her family. My mom's from a

1897
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:11,360
Speaker 20: family called the Abasaki family and they are practically royalty

1898
01:46:11,400 --> 01:46:13,759
Speaker 20: in Nigeria. And my mom is from a wealthy family.

1899
01:46:13,800 --> 01:46:15,960
Speaker 20: Her dad had a load of wives. She was educated.

1900
01:46:17,120 --> 01:46:19,080
Speaker 20: Her dad traveled all over the world on business and

1901
01:46:19,120 --> 01:46:21,320
Speaker 20: he took her with him and she went to private

1902
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:25,240
Speaker 20: school and she was a school principal in Nigeria before

1903
01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:26,439
Speaker 20: she was twenty four years old.

1904
01:46:26,479 --> 01:46:27,559
Speaker 14: So she was very you.

1905
01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:28,360
Speaker 2: Know, she did.

1906
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:31,840
Speaker 14: Yeah, she was very She achieved a lot and then

1907
01:46:32,080 --> 01:46:33,800
Speaker 14: she came to England.

1908
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:37,599
Speaker 2: Before why did she come to England?

1909
01:46:37,800 --> 01:46:40,400
Speaker 20: Well, long story short. If you read my new book

1910
01:46:40,439 --> 01:46:44,080
Speaker 20: that's coming, that's how you know that. My mother was

1911
01:46:44,120 --> 01:46:47,800
Speaker 20: the daughter of the first wife. So my grandfather had

1912
01:46:47,800 --> 01:46:50,839
Speaker 20: many wives. As you know, polygamy was widely practiced in Nigeria.

1913
01:46:51,200 --> 01:46:52,000
Speaker 2: Tell me about it.

1914
01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:57,920
Speaker 20: Oh yeah, lots of wives, lots of lots of wives

1915
01:46:57,960 --> 01:47:00,759
Speaker 20: and daughter. My mom was the daughter of the first wife.

1916
01:47:01,040 --> 01:47:03,800
Speaker 20: But the first wife was very powerful, as the first

1917
01:47:03,800 --> 01:47:07,519
Speaker 20: wife is as the first The otherwise were very jealous

1918
01:47:07,560 --> 01:47:10,760
Speaker 20: and there was the other wives murdered my grandmother.

1919
01:47:11,200 --> 01:47:11,760
Speaker 2: They pull you.

1920
01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:18,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well we never get the beginning the throne ship.

1921
01:47:18,280 --> 01:47:20,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for real greatship.

1922
01:47:21,320 --> 01:47:23,920
Speaker 20: So yeah, the other wives did not my mother. My

1923
01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:26,760
Speaker 20: grandmother was like, listen, the other wives don't like me.

1924
01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:29,479
Speaker 20: These bitches are trying to kill me if anything happens

1925
01:47:29,479 --> 01:47:32,720
Speaker 20: to me, get my daughter out of Nigeria. So she

1926
01:47:32,840 --> 01:47:35,240
Speaker 20: ended up dying. She was poisoned and when she died

1927
01:47:35,240 --> 01:47:37,040
Speaker 20: she had a mark on her throat. Now, before my

1928
01:47:37,120 --> 01:47:39,280
Speaker 20: grandmother died, she always used to say when I come back,

1929
01:47:39,400 --> 01:47:41,640
Speaker 20: when I come back, I'm going to I'm going to

1930
01:47:41,680 --> 01:47:44,280
Speaker 20: speak English, I'm going to be in England. I'm not

1931
01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:45,920
Speaker 20: going to have all these children because my mom and

1932
01:47:46,120 --> 01:47:47,960
Speaker 20: my grandmother had eleven kids and I don't want to

1933
01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:48,639
Speaker 20: all these children.

1934
01:47:48,840 --> 01:47:50,920
Speaker 14: I'm going to do a man's job. I'm going to

1935
01:47:50,960 --> 01:47:52,400
Speaker 14: have freedom, all of you.

1936
01:47:52,479 --> 01:47:52,599
Speaker 13: Thing.

1937
01:47:52,720 --> 01:47:54,800
Speaker 20: When she died from a poison she had a mark

1938
01:47:54,840 --> 01:47:55,640
Speaker 20: on her throat.

1939
01:47:55,880 --> 01:47:57,559
Speaker 14: Obviously, when she.

1940
01:47:57,560 --> 01:48:01,200
Speaker 20: Died, my grandfather sent my mom out the because who's

1941
01:48:01,240 --> 01:48:02,920
Speaker 20: like weld, I've killed the wife. I'm not going to

1942
01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:05,200
Speaker 20: have them kill my daughter to so he sent my

1943
01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:07,720
Speaker 20: mom to England to study and that is where my

1944
01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:10,600
Speaker 20: mom met my dad. They met each other, they had me,

1945
01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:13,679
Speaker 20: and I came out with this mark on my flow.

1946
01:48:13,800 --> 01:48:17,120
Speaker 20: So basically I'm a reincarnation of my grandmother.

1947
01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:18,559
Speaker 14: So that that's the story.

1948
01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:21,120
Speaker 20: Because Nigeras believed heavily in the incarnation, and I came

1949
01:48:21,160 --> 01:48:26,240
Speaker 20: out doing all the things that my grandmother said.

1950
01:48:24,439 --> 01:48:28,120
Speaker 14: I fulfilled everything.

1951
01:48:28,200 --> 01:48:30,519
Speaker 20: So when I said my mo, mom was like comedian,

1952
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:31,439
Speaker 20: you want to become a clown.

1953
01:48:31,479 --> 01:48:33,920
Speaker 14: I was like, mom, remember this is what your mother wanted.

1954
01:48:34,240 --> 01:48:38,400
Speaker 14: I am your mother. That's how I get away with her.

1955
01:48:39,080 --> 01:48:39,880
Speaker 14: But yeah, my mom.

1956
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:42,479
Speaker 20: So that's how my mother ended up in England studying

1957
01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:44,760
Speaker 20: and she was a teacher. She came to England. She

1958
01:48:44,840 --> 01:48:46,920
Speaker 20: wanted to carry on working as a teacher. For England

1959
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:48,920
Speaker 20: was super racist. She couldn't my dad.

1960
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:49,639
Speaker 14: She met my dad.

1961
01:48:49,720 --> 01:48:52,960
Speaker 20: My dad was studying for his PhD. He was and

1962
01:48:53,240 --> 01:48:55,920
Speaker 20: he was also a qualified lawyer. They could he couldn't

1963
01:48:55,920 --> 01:48:59,160
Speaker 20: get work as a lawyer in England. So basically they met,

1964
01:48:59,200 --> 01:49:01,639
Speaker 20: they got married, they had us, and then my dad

1965
01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:04,439
Speaker 20: was like, forget this, I want to go back to Nigeria.

1966
01:49:04,640 --> 01:49:06,519
Speaker 20: This is not I am driving a bust when I'm

1967
01:49:06,520 --> 01:49:08,759
Speaker 20: a lawyer. I'm a lawyer in Nigeria. I'm not staying

1968
01:49:08,760 --> 01:49:10,519
Speaker 20: here to drive a bus. Let's get the kids, let's go.

1969
01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:13,519
Speaker 20: And my mom was like, no, I've had my children

1970
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:16,400
Speaker 20: in England. They are British. I want them to stay

1971
01:49:16,400 --> 01:49:19,880
Speaker 20: in England and be afforded all the opportunities that being

1972
01:49:19,880 --> 01:49:24,040
Speaker 20: British entails. I'm staying here with my kids. So basically

1973
01:49:24,040 --> 01:49:26,160
Speaker 20: my mom and dad's My dad went back to Nigeria

1974
01:49:26,240 --> 01:49:27,960
Speaker 20: when I was three and I didn't see him again

1975
01:49:28,200 --> 01:49:30,519
Speaker 20: till I was thirty seven, and when I went out

1976
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:32,080
Speaker 20: there to do a show in Nigeria.

1977
01:49:32,240 --> 01:49:32,840
Speaker 5: So that was it.

1978
01:49:33,080 --> 01:49:35,599
Speaker 2: Wait, you met your father backstage at a show.

1979
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:36,960
Speaker 14: He came to my show.

1980
01:49:37,080 --> 01:49:40,040
Speaker 20: So at that point I was pretty well known in

1981
01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:42,160
Speaker 20: England and pretty well known in Nigeria. I'd done a

1982
01:49:42,200 --> 01:49:44,599
Speaker 20: couple of sketches on television in England that had gone

1983
01:49:44,680 --> 01:49:47,040
Speaker 20: viral in Nigeria. So I got flown out to Nigeria

1984
01:49:47,120 --> 01:49:50,120
Speaker 20: to do a show, and obviously I still carried my

1985
01:49:50,120 --> 01:49:52,719
Speaker 20: father's name, so my father was like when I was going,

1986
01:49:52,760 --> 01:49:54,479
Speaker 20: my mom was like, oh, your father is going to

1987
01:49:54,479 --> 01:49:54,880
Speaker 20: turn up.

1988
01:49:54,880 --> 01:49:55,800
Speaker 14: You watch he's going to.

1989
01:49:58,520 --> 01:49:58,560
Speaker 6: You.

1990
01:49:58,840 --> 01:49:59,360
Speaker 7: And he did.

1991
01:49:59,439 --> 01:50:00,880
Speaker 14: He turned off the show with a.

1992
01:50:00,840 --> 01:50:03,840
Speaker 20: Bunch of brothers and sisters I'd never met. So it

1993
01:50:03,920 --> 01:50:05,400
Speaker 20: was it was it's all in the book. It's all

1994
01:50:05,400 --> 01:50:06,360
Speaker 20: in the book, people.

1995
01:50:06,479 --> 01:50:06,720
Speaker 13: It is.

1996
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:08,600
Speaker 5: And also in the book, I remember I want to

1997
01:50:08,600 --> 01:50:10,640
Speaker 5: tell people too. You give a good history on the

1998
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:13,240
Speaker 5: Empire of Benin and whatnot. I was like, oh, Wow,

1999
01:50:13,280 --> 01:50:15,720
Speaker 5: I had no idea, So can you.

2000
01:50:15,240 --> 01:50:17,960
Speaker 1: Can you briefly let me know about I just recently

2001
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:23,519
Speaker 1: found out my lineage to Benin like a year ago and.

2002
01:50:23,520 --> 01:50:26,280
Speaker 20: In the country next to Nigeria or been in the

2003
01:50:26,280 --> 01:50:30,280
Speaker 20: city in Nigeria. I've been in this because there's two Benu.

2004
01:50:30,360 --> 01:50:32,720
Speaker 20: There's been in city in Nigeria, which is where my

2005
01:50:33,120 --> 01:50:35,599
Speaker 20: family from. And then there's been in the country which

2006
01:50:35,640 --> 01:50:37,439
Speaker 20: is next country, Nigeria where they speak French.

2007
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:41,600
Speaker 14: Yeah, so are you. But if they say Banin in

2008
01:50:41,640 --> 01:50:43,360
Speaker 14: your I'm assuming it's been in the country.

2009
01:50:44,200 --> 01:50:44,519
Speaker 3: Okay.

2010
01:50:44,560 --> 01:50:47,760
Speaker 1: I believe that it was the country simply because when

2011
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:53,360
Speaker 1: there was a civil war happening, the Nigerians had some

2012
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:58,000
Speaker 1: beneen prisoners that they used as.

2013
01:50:59,240 --> 01:51:00,400
Speaker 2: Leverage to Nigger allotiate.

2014
01:51:00,640 --> 01:51:00,760
Speaker 19: Uh.

2015
01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:03,639
Speaker 2: My great your great grandfathers was one.

2016
01:51:03,479 --> 01:51:07,360
Speaker 1: Of those, uh those captured and sold in the slavery

2017
01:51:07,400 --> 01:51:08,000
Speaker 1: in America.

2018
01:51:08,200 --> 01:51:11,760
Speaker 14: So the country, Yeah, it's definitely the country then in yes,

2019
01:51:12,200 --> 01:51:12,559
Speaker 14: but yeah.

2020
01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:16,120
Speaker 20: I opened my book with history of Nigeria and the

2021
01:51:16,160 --> 01:51:18,880
Speaker 20: be In within Nigeria which is now southern Nigeria where

2022
01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:22,160
Speaker 20: my family is from, and and how advanced the society

2023
01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:25,519
Speaker 20: was and how the British came and tried to take

2024
01:51:26,280 --> 01:51:28,519
Speaker 20: and they got their asses handed to them by the

2025
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:32,720
Speaker 20: Bnin warriors. And then they came back and burnt Been

2026
01:51:32,760 --> 01:51:35,120
Speaker 20: into the ground and stole all those bronzes. And hence

2027
01:51:35,160 --> 01:51:38,600
Speaker 20: while you've got all these bill In bronzes in museums

2028
01:51:38,600 --> 01:51:40,719
Speaker 20: in New York and around the world, because the British

2029
01:51:40,760 --> 01:51:44,599
Speaker 20: came burnt down Benin, stole all the bronzes and sold

2030
01:51:44,680 --> 01:51:47,280
Speaker 20: the bronzes to pay for the army that they've used

2031
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:48,880
Speaker 20: to burn down Been In.

2032
01:51:50,960 --> 01:51:53,240
Speaker 2: The British have done to the world, man Jesus.

2033
01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:57,720
Speaker 20: Like, yeah, exactly when you guys go, oh Britain is

2034
01:51:57,720 --> 01:52:00,639
Speaker 20: so polite and genteel it, No it is they are

2035
01:52:00,680 --> 01:52:02,679
Speaker 20: straight savages well.

2036
01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:05,519
Speaker 5: And also not for nothing. Nigerians usually act like ain't

2037
01:52:05,560 --> 01:52:07,840
Speaker 5: nobody come and mess with them at all, So this

2038
01:52:08,040 --> 01:52:10,080
Speaker 5: history is not always told in that aspect. It's like

2039
01:52:10,080 --> 01:52:12,200
Speaker 5: anybody comes, try to colonized us, We got no, We're good.

2040
01:52:12,400 --> 01:52:13,679
Speaker 13: Oh no, they were coming.

2041
01:52:14,160 --> 01:52:15,400
Speaker 14: We only got our independence.

2042
01:52:15,479 --> 01:52:18,880
Speaker 20: Niger only got air independence in nineteen sixty and from

2043
01:52:20,720 --> 01:52:23,040
Speaker 20: nineteen sixty we got our independence, and even then, the

2044
01:52:23,360 --> 01:52:25,639
Speaker 20: economy was completely messed up after that because white people

2045
01:52:26,280 --> 01:52:29,200
Speaker 20: came out and took everything with them, and they'd already

2046
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:31,400
Speaker 20: raked it of all the resources, all the oil, all

2047
01:52:31,439 --> 01:52:34,719
Speaker 20: the everything. And then there was a lot of money

2048
01:52:34,720 --> 01:52:38,439
Speaker 20: in oil for a while, but it all collapsed.

2049
01:52:38,479 --> 01:52:39,280
Speaker 14: It all collapsed.

2050
01:52:39,560 --> 01:52:42,200
Speaker 20: The school systems was based on the British school systems.

2051
01:52:42,640 --> 01:52:45,720
Speaker 20: You know, they took away the element that Nigerians were

2052
01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:48,559
Speaker 20: all about. Africans were all about family and learning trades

2053
01:52:48,600 --> 01:52:51,280
Speaker 20: and passing down stuff within the family. And the British

2054
01:52:51,360 --> 01:52:55,280
Speaker 20: came and went, now, don't forget about family stuff. That capitalism.

2055
01:52:55,360 --> 01:52:58,120
Speaker 20: It's all about capitalism. You learned to get these qualifications

2056
01:52:58,160 --> 01:53:00,800
Speaker 20: and then like it. And so they completely change the

2057
01:53:00,840 --> 01:53:03,639
Speaker 20: way that Nigerians worked and it's just ruined, in my opinion,

2058
01:53:03,720 --> 01:53:05,639
Speaker 20: ruined the country. Now you've got a few greedy people

2059
01:53:05,920 --> 01:53:07,160
Speaker 20: just creaming everything off there.

2060
01:53:07,280 --> 01:53:10,040
Speaker 7: Just so that's the history.

2061
01:53:11,360 --> 01:53:12,840
Speaker 5: Hey, at least you know yours. You don't have to

2062
01:53:12,840 --> 01:53:14,439
Speaker 5: go to Africa ancestry, right somebody?

2063
01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:19,920
Speaker 20: Oh yeah yeah.

2064
01:53:19,960 --> 01:53:24,000
Speaker 1: And that's part one of qols's celebration of Black History Month.

2065
01:53:25,000 --> 01:53:26,800
Speaker 2: Please come back next week for part two.

2066
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2067
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