WEBVTT - Kimbal Musk 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.800 This week on the Craig Ferguson Fancy Rascal Tour November 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:06.560 eighth in The Factory in Saint Louis, Missouri, November ninth, 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:13.360 Victory Theater in Evansville, Indiana, November eleventh, Hollywood Casino at 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:20.560 Charlestown Races in Charlestown, West Virginia, and finally November twelfth, The. 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:23.200 National in Richmond, Virginia. 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:26.880 Get your tickets at the Craig Ferguson show dot com 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:31.560 slash tour or don't get your tickets. I don't care, 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:37.160 but I would like to see. My name is Craig Ferguson. 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:41.559 The name of this podcast is joy. I talk to 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:48.640 interest in people about what brings them happiness. Meet Kimball Musk. 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:53.199 He's a chef, he's an entrepreneur. He's a member of 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:57.920 the Musk family, and he really likes burning Man. And 0:00:58.000 --> 0:00:58.760 I'll listen to this. 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:08.360 All right, Who want eggs? I won't, Okay, listen. 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:12.720 Here's the thing about you cook and eggs. I'm a 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:14.120 bit of an egg snob. 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:19.679 No egg snobs until you've met Well here's the. 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:21.679 Thing though, do you have your own chickens? 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:25.760 Well, we actually did what we realized was that, which 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:30.760 was really a raccoon feeding operation. Yeah, we'd go out 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:34.360 into the backyard and see our chickens and uh and 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:35.920 count them and be like, well, I guess we're three 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:36.720 down today. 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:40.120 But that's okay raccoons. We've fed at least three raccoons 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:41.040 raccoons last night. 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:44.000 So the thing is about I have chickens in Scotland, 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:47.000 and there's if you keep them in a little house 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:51.080 or next to your bad Chickens are. 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:52.680 The dirtiest animal in the world. Do you know that. 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:56.000 I am a big fan of their. 0:01:56.400 --> 0:02:00.640 Chickens are actually pretty nasty and they also. 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:02.480 Did you have a Did you have a cock? Well? 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:06.080 I know did right? Okay, we have a cockrell? Do 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:08.120 you say? Can you say cock? I think you can 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:08.560 take cock. 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:12.360 I have to talk to you, but I mean I 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.400 have to be a little more thoughtful about But I 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:17.280 think what else you call it nowadays? 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:19.000 Right? Well, it's a it's a it's a cock. 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:23.760 In fact, the slang word for penis came from a cockrell. 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:26.640 I'm sure that's true. There we go anyway, that's not 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:30.280 so your joy is food, that's what joy's food? 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:31.840 Yeah, I mean not just food, but the fact that 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:33.760 we're going to cook, to get cook together, eat together. 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:37.040 It's like the most beautiful way to get to know people. 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:40.720 And I've just been cooking since I was probably eleven 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:43.960 years old. I had a mom who was wonderful, but 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:47.920 she doesn't cook very well. Right, my mother couldn't cook. 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:50.560 But she was also really cool about me going to 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:52.639 the grocery store and getting whatever I want and cooking. 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:55.200 You're doing that eleven years old, I'm going to go 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:57.240 at the grocery store and yeah, I would go. 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:00.120 She thought I was something's wrong here and go and 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:03.320 I like smell the vegetables. Yeah, you know. Do you 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:07.919 still do that? You have a team of people that 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:09.080 go out by Oh I know. 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:11.960 If I'm cooking, I like to go to either Whole 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:15.000 Foods or the pubmer's market because the quality of the 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:16.480 food is it's not its quality. 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:19.800 You can get different varieties. Did you train as a chef? Yeah, 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:22.360 so that's part of it, then, isn't it? You go 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:23.680 and I didn't plan on. 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:27.040 Doing a full professional cooking, but I ended up doing it. 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:30.760 I started with a three month program. It was this 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:34.200 basic technique at the French Culinary Institute WOW, which is 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:37.160 it's no longer around. It was the top school at 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:38.800 the time in Manhattan. 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:42.520 And in fact, I learned how to make scrambled eggs 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:43.840 from today. 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:45.760 Exist what you're gonna make. You're gonna make some scrambled eggs. 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:49.880 Scrambled eggs then from chef Alain Salter who's just passed away, 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:54.640 and you know, they've got a team of fifty chefs. 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:58.160 But scrambled eggs and the omelet, which is really the 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:01.400 same recipe, right, that's on by the head of the school. Really, 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:03.240 it's like that that's big of a bit. That's that 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:04.000 big of a deal. 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:06.400 Because my son could make scrin I can't really make 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:10.160 scrambled eggs, but my youngest son, who's twelve, can make 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.880 scrambled eggs. He's really good at him and they told 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:16.800 him at school. I didn't know there is such an 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:17.720 involved thing. 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:24.640 It's actually very simple, but simple as the hardest, right, Okay. 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:27.159 It's like cutting hair short. That's how you tell someone's 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.840 a good barber cutting hair long. They can hide cutting hair. 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:33.440 Short exactly, hide behind it exactly. Okay, So you're going 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:35.279 to make scrambled eggs. Now, let me ask you this. 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:40.080 If you're changed as a chef then, and I would 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.000 have asked Tony burdein the same thing. 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:46.120 Oh, by the way, he Tony Burdain was one of 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:49.920 the reasons I became a chef. Really, Kitchen Confidential came 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:53.560 out in the late nineties, and that's a great book. 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:55.480 And I mean it's a great book. 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:57.240 It really is one of the great Yeah, and it's 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:00.160 of course about cooking, but it's great in every way. 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:03.440 He was an extraordinary He was an extraordinary, extraordinary guy. 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:05.960 Troubled guy obviously feel sad. 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:08.200 I feel like chefs are the. 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:10.919 Chefs to me, like I don't get that vibe from you, 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:11.800 but maybe. 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:13.599 A little bit because I think that a lot of 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:17.240 people in general struggle. But if you go into the 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:20.640 chef's world, it's a submarine culture. You are you are 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:24.800 literally your mind is completely taken out for twelve hours. 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:28.320 You show up at let's say eleven am, usually working 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:31.960 the dinner shift, you'll be done at eleven pm. 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:34.880 And if you have a troubled mind. 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:38.839 Nothing better, yeah, because you are not thinking about anything. 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:41.640 So do you think that that's why the troubled minds 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:44.160 are called to it? Or troubled minds are caused by 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:48.120 it chick egg scenario. In fact, what comes first the 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:51.560 troubled mind or the or the desire to cook gives 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:54.160 you a troubled mind because you're Not's why I think 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:54.920 about twenty by day. 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:57.120 This is what I was going to say. You're not fat, 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:01.080 you're thin and thin a lot of sid north. Then 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:04.160 like if I was a shift, I'd be like five hundreds. 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:06.919 I thing if you are, if you're really cooking in 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.360 the kitchen, it's like running a marathon every day. 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:12.440 It's actually pretty hard to gain weights on your feet 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:14.360 all the times. On your feet. I mean I used 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:16.240 to I wear these little footbits and stuff. 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:19.640 Twelve miles a day really in a kitchen and a 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:23.560 kitchen and you're just moving two feet and it's twelve miles. 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:23.760 Man. 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:26.280 It's it's a it's a lot of work. And if 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:29.360 you're in the same with servers, because you have how 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:32.080 many restaurants do you have? Now you have three to three? 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:35.040 We have the Kitchen in Boulder, in Denver and Chicago, 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:36.359 and to open one in. 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:39.039 Austin that makes sense. Do you go in and do 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:41.320 a shift in the kitchens? I don't do it anymore. 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:41.479 You know. 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:46.200 The The thing about it is it's it requires fitness 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.000 to do that kind of to do that kind of 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:52.120 twelve hours of cooking. But then the other thing is 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:55.479 it's it's a choreographed dance. 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:58.400 It's a choreographed you're choreographed with you or other chefs. 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:00.960 Right, So you might do the the sute where you 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:04.279 might do the you know, the protein, you might chicken 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:06.000 into the fish, but you don't you don't do the 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:08.839 other parts of the dish, right, and you're you're serving 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:11.760 sometimes twenty or thirty people at the same time, and 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:14.760 so you're holding in your head when that chicken needs 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:16.720 to be done, and you know that this plate needs 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:17.320 to come from that. 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:20.320 Just wander in and start cooking. 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:22.760 There's such a thing as starging where you can come 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:26.280 in and they'll give you a we we'll do that 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:28.880 with other chefs from around the country. The kitchen is 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:33.280 well known for its food, and the kitchen also started 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:36.400 helped start the farm of the Table movement, and it's 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:40.560 got this beautiful history and our and our chefs are talented, 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:42.320 and so a lot of other restaurants will send their 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:45.200 chefs to us, right, and they it's called starging where 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:47.680 they actually come in and they try and help, but 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:48.600 mostly they're just. 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:49.640 Watching, right. 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:52.520 And then you know they usually start for a whole week, 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:55.440 and then you start on Monday, and by Friday or 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:58.200 Saturday you might be able to get in and join. 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:01.160 Because you have it. It's kind of a philosophy for you. No, 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:03.360 it's not just about cooking, right, because you I mean, 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:06.040 I remember when we talked before about this, you know, 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:09.560 years ago, when we did that thing for for Gant. 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:15.440 You know that that those couple of thinkers things. And 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:19.400 when we we talk about food, like you were talking 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:23.320 about the food deserts and and the areas where people 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:28.480 don't get decent food and the coup you know, it's 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:30.760 just it's it's it's not about economics. 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:32.600 It's a culture, cultural challenge. 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:34.160 So that's why we when we work at Big Green, 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:37.800 we work to educate everyone from we used to work 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:39.680 just in schools with kids and now we're the parents 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:42.679 and work in their homes and we work in community gardens. 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:44.600 But you just want to get the education level up 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:46.960 so that when they think about what they want to eat, 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:51.200 they include fresh vegetables. But the fresh vegebals are available, 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:54.600 nothing is easily available in those communities. It's not like 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:58.120 other than you know, seven eleven candy storage. It's terrible, 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:01.040 but the but if you do want to find fresh vestals, 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:04.199 you can't do it. It can always be made easier. 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:07.560 But if culture you're not interested in it, I know. 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:09.680 I think that's what you need. That's where the education 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:11.520 comes in because it's also delicious. 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:14.200 Well, that's why I think they'll when like, you go 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:17.680 through an airport and you see like people in the 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:19.880 thing it bugs me is when I see people in 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:22.600 cargo shorts. I don't know why it's always cargo shorts, 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:25.160 but they're always in cargo shorts walking through the airport, 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:28.040 eating as they're walking to a plane. And I'm thinking 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:30.200 there has to be a moment in life where you 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:33.760 don't act. You could either stop and eat or I 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:35.600 just don't believe everybody has the all the time. 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:38.520 I think people grade Yeah, I do that. 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:40.600 I Actually one of the things reasons I think I'm 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:44.240 skinny is I don't graze right breakfast, lunch and dinner, 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:48.360 decent proper breaks, launch dinner without trying too hard of 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:53.320 what I should or should eat, and I maintain. 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:55.680 My weight right. I think if you snack all day. 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.720 It's actually you have no idea how many carries you're 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:00.760 putting in you you could you could even feel bad 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:03.000 like you haven't been eating enough, right, and actually you've 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:04.160 taken it a ton of calories. 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:06.920 Well I got that when I went and rehabed, when 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:11.520 I was getting sober. The doctor that performed the things said, yeah, 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:13.920 I see a lot a lot of this and alcoholics 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:17.640 of your type, he said, is that you're overweight and 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:20.959 you've got you're a touch of malnutrition. You know that 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:23.640 you're you know, I was like, what, Yeah, well you 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:25.400 can't live on beer. 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:27.520 And how is that a surprise? 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:30.280 Yeah, it was a surprise there. 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:35.800 It's so kind of weird because see, I always thought 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:38.560 of when I grew up in Scotland, food was you know, 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.320 it was terrible. The only good food around. I've been 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:46.480 to Scotland. Now it's changing in the countryside, right, are 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:47.360 usually great. 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:49.480 I did not lack up point of one that was great. 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:53.760 The thing is what happened with Scotland, particularly, I think 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:57.240 in the Central Belt bomb North too, there's a lot 0:10:57.280 --> 0:10:58.760 of emigration from other. 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:00.679 Cultures and other cultures. 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:04.120 Food really makes a difference, like they would bring it 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:07.560 like at first it was the Italians, then the Pakistani 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:13.240 and Indian communities, and the Eastern European communities, the Polish 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:16.000 people coming into Glasgow and stuff like that. It's amazing 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:19.520 the difference that if other communities bring in. 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:23.040 Yeah, I love I love that. In fact, London twenty 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:27.319 years ago it was just English and then and then 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:29.760 it really I don't know. I don't know how because 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:33.520 Lone has always been called Papulitan, but somehow the more 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:36.760 ethic communities sort of overflowed their feod culture into the 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:38.880 rest of London. That's one of the best food cities 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:39.319 in the world. 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:41.480 Well see, I think that's just the thing short period 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:43.880 of time, right, And I think that's the thing that 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:48.280 the Tony Bourdain had on very well when he was 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:52.520 doing that show about experiencing the food from other cultures 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:55.199 and getting to know other cultures and making them less 0:11:55.280 --> 0:12:00.120 mysterious and less frightening. Really, it's hard to it's it's 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:02.480 hard to hate someone you know, or to be scared 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:05.360 of someone or make someone the boogie man. If you 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:07.240 kind of know what the and you've sat down, like 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:10.200 you said, like you sat down and you've literally broken 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:10.840 bread with them. 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:14.080 Yeah, you break bread with people that are that are 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:17.559 culturally or you know, I actually don't like this term 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:19.720 diverse because to me, a diverse person is someone you 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:21.960 sit down with and you you want to break bread 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:23.040 so you can get to know them. 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:23.400 Right. 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:26.240 I'm not a Trump supporter, and I will go sit 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:28.400 with Trump supporters. Yeah, that to me is like, okay, 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:31.360 now I've got some serious Yeah, there's meat on that 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:32.640 bone to to go figure. 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:32.800 Out, you know what. 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:35.560 I think that's quite an interesting take on it, because 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:40.520 the the whole idea right now, you know, and I 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:42.560 was talking about it, but this last name when I 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:45.480 was doing the show which you very graciously came to, 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:48.679 and there's not some off color remarks about your brother, 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:53.240 which was nothing fun. But the idea of being in 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:57.040 contact and interacting with people you don't agree with seems 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:00.040 to be wildly out of fashion. And I think I 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.640 think the idea that when you talk about food makes 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:04.480 sense to me because if you can sit down with 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:07.719 someone you politically have nothing in common with, but if 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:10.280 you both are tasting something delicious, that at least you've 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:12.600 got that in Coleman, and it's a starting off point, 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:12.800 you know. 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:17.160 What I mean? Yeah, I agree, I think that when you. 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:20.160 Sit down with someone and you you also have that 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:23.199 kind of let's say minimum one hour maybe even longer 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:26.480 with them it and then and there's certain things that 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:28.200 come in. You might even agree on the food that 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:30.600 you like, and you might want to suggest something to 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:31.080 someone else. 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:34.400 That's universal. Yeah, you're right, everybody does. Everybody does that. 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:37.800 And I always have this joke with if there's someone 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:39.839 really important I want to meet, I invite them to 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:40.240 lunch for. 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:44.800 Dinner and you actually you do that, you see, pass 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:45.200 you off. 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:49.360 You're making me exactly. He's actually that's why you're here. 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:52.440 But I would, you know, and I'll go back to 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:54.320 lunch or dinner with them, and you know, when it 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:56.800 comes to you know, you can be a little insecure 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:59.960 about inviting someone that is maybe a celebrity or policish 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:04.520 a certain level. And then I, actually, everyone's got to eat. Yeah, 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.440 so we're just gonna go eat. And so it takes 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:09.680 the pressure off the meaning was a very good meeting 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:12.320 in their office. That's like that's a lot of pressure. 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:15.320 Yeah, right, and then it's it's like you're focusing on 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:18.440 the thing, so take it. Let's go back to you 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:20.160 early on when you were a kid. So this is 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:21.720 in South Africa we're talking about. 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.720 When you there's something I did, like talking people reaching 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:25.720 out to have lunch and stuff. 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:28.280 Was was in my high school in Canada. 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:32.800 But the but I started cooking for my family from 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.040 about age eleven, and you were the cook. 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:40.280 Was the cook? Yeah, the only cook. Yeah, the you know, 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:43.160 my family's pretty busy family. Yeah, they. 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:48.880 They're they're they're all wonderful people, but just they just 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:50.040 don't prioritize cooking. 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:53.760 Right. I love food. I love the I love just 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.360 even these scrambled eggs, which. 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:58.400 Look amazing by the way you get you're getting a 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:01.120 photograph of these grabbled eggs, right, but. 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:03.480 They look a little different. And that's kind of the point. 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:07.560 You know, you want it's never perfect also thing, but 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:10.200 tremblings in particular are one of those things where you 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:12.960 can go, I wonder how this is compared to the 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:15.960 last one, and I wonder how tomorrows will be, and uh, 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:19.600 it's just kind of this never ending experiment. 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:20.680 Now. 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:24.160 You said something to me about food years ago which 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:25.400 kind of stuck with me. 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:28.600 It was a phrase you used. You said, food is 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:29.440 the new Internet. 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:32.200 You remember saying, yeah, right, yeah, do you still feel 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:34.960 that way, that you still feel that there's a huge 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:37.360 gross potential in I. 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:39.560 Mean it actually has already happened, you know. That was 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:42.840 that was I started sharing that message maybe ten. 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:44.240 Years ago and now now. 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:48.080 Back then, getting locally grown food in your fridge it 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:49.840 was not a thing. I mean, you go to the 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:51.360 farmer's mark. We have to be in a pretty wealthy 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:52.200 community to do that. 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:53.880 Right now, you want to get. 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:58.960 Locally grown food using vertical farms. Every grocery store has it. 0:15:58.960 --> 0:15:59.440 It's true. 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.680 Actually you I've noticed that even like the the the 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:05.880 Borgli like rise of whole foods across America, at least 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:06.840 you can get good food. 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:09.520 You know that. We but even now. 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:12.480 Like the Krogers and the King Supers and there Albertson's, 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:14.640 they're all they're all doing it. 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:21.240 I Craig Ferguson will be on the road once again 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:24.880 this fall, bringing the Fancy Rascal Tour two your region. 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:28.000 For tickets and full list of tour dates, go to 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:31.520 my website, The Craig Ferguson Show dot com slash tour. 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:35.400 Come and see me live or don't. I'm not your father? 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:41.760 Where you go? I'm just gonna make sure that's the table. 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:46.800 We all right, right, yeah, yeah, So when you're in 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:49.200 the restaurant, do you sit down with the chef before 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:51.760 you employ them? And it's that they have to like 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:54.360 embrace the philosophy of what you're talking about, that kind 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:54.640 of thing. 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:56.840 Well, we have a we have a team now maybe 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.360 two hundred people. So why did you sit there? And 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:02.680 I'll sit here, Chad Lileasley, this is lovely. 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:05.239 Let me set a word picture of where we are 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:10.240 because we're sitting in this beautiful house in Colorado, which 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:12.920 is like that you can see the rocky mountains and 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:15.800 the sky. Kimba's just going to get some from the kitchen, 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:17.199 so I'm just going to talk to you aboun for 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:21.600 a bit. And it's very a very nice swimming pool 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:24.919 and the gentle sound of a leaf blow in the distance, 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:28.360 which lets you know that you're in a rich guy neighborhood. 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:31.200 I have to tell you, when I lived in Los Angeles, 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:33.919 the leaf scott blowing more I think than Mick Jagger 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:34.840 did in the sixties. 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:35.880 They were. 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.679 I don't know if you'd heard that, but there's a 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:44.119 lot of leaf blowers around. 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:45.960 Is that little house down at the end or is 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:49.800 that your properly? Of course, that's lovely. Yeah, it's a 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:54.240 little old house from the sixties. That oh so nice. Here, 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:57.200 this is delicious, by the way. Wow, look at it. 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:00.240 Look at how beautiful that is. This is a different 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:01.320 form of eggs. 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:04.520 Yeah, so this is soft scrambled soft scrambled, and it's 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:09.040 a very similar recipe, classic French recipe. It's technique, not 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:11.560 really that much to it, just salt. 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:13.679 Pepper and a little bit better. So you just like 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:15.359 take them out of the pan earlier. Is that what 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:15.560 you do? 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:18.919 You turned out of high heat and then you you 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:20.760 really stir it until it kind of warms up, and 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:23.560 then you drop the heat down and you finish it 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:26.000 for like thirty seconds, and then you actually take it 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:28.359 out of the pan and you put it into a 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:29.200 bowl and. 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:31.440 It will continue to cook for another thirty seconds. 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:33.639 It's kind of scientific, isn't it is? 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:36.680 I was the science and art, Like, you're definitely dealing 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:38.440 with the science of it, but the art of it 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:40.200 means that every time you do it it's a little different. 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:44.520 I know, it's not pleasant to be listening to something 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:46.360 to eat, but this is really good. 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:49.280 Oh my god, So do you bake. 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:53.360 I'm not the best baker because I have a theory 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:55.160 that people either cook or baked. 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:55.880 You don't do both. 0:18:56.480 --> 0:19:00.240 I will say that baking requires a personality to be 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:01.200 just to be successful. 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:02.200 That I don't have. 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:05.640 What is that you call a scientific But it's more 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:12.840 like chemistry, right, because you're dealing with subtle changes in in. 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:14.400 The way the gluten works in the. 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:18.840 Bread, or the how I yased my rise, and it's 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:22.479 it's chemistry, and that you're get it. You get it 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:26.720 exactly right, it's perfect, it's wonderful. You get it one 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:29.000 percent off, and you know who made this? 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:32.200 Really, this is a this is terrible. Sounds a bit 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:38.000 like aviation to me, a plane, a little bit of 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:39.480 Do you like a coffee? 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:41.320 I'd love a couple. Actually, I think it's a coffee 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:44.560 right there, the rabbit on it. Yeah, one of your 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:48.639 guys made that. Thank you. You're going to get your coffee. 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:53.160 So anyway, I'm sitting in the back yard, I'm eating these. 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:56.879 I'm not cording the best grabbled eggs I've ever tasted 0:19:56.880 --> 0:19:59.600 in my life. I mean, really, I kind of feel 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:01.800 like I could get into this. I could like be 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:05.080 a rich guy and sit around eating scrambled eggs that 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:08.360 are kind of soft. So I feel like I'm kind 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:11.560 of made for this. You know, eating a meat pie 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:16.440 in Scotland doesn't hold the same allure right now. Oh 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:19.360 it has to be said for me. Kimmel's off doing 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:20.600 something in the kitchen. 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:23.800 But it has to be said for me, I enjoy. 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:28.160 A meat pie in Scotland. Sometimes I'm going to test 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:31.119 the coffee now that'll like. I know this probably sounds 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:33.080 really gross, but here we go. 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:39.400 Oh my god, that golf is really good. It's good. Hey, 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:41.320 your coffee is pretty good. What you got there? A 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:45.280 little tree condiments, little treat? Yeah, I won't know. 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:52.159 I well, cream fresh, cream fresh. Everybody is French for 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:56.639 fresh green, I think, or I don't know. 0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:57.080 It's French. 0:20:57.119 --> 0:21:01.479 But it's from Vermont, which is French for green Mountain, 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:07.359 which my wife is from Vermont, and my company is 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:10.480 called Green Mountain West because we were in California when 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:16.480 we started it. It's not quite the same as the 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:20.479 musk companies. Well, you know, we make the occasional thing anyway. 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:24.520 So this recipe is what I cook every morning. But 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:26.320 you have this every day every morning? 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:30.760 Yeah, Oh my god. But once a year. I cook 0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:31.640 it at Bernie Man. 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:35.280 I wanted to talk to you because that is a 0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:37.440 source of joy for you, and it's completely If you 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:40.159 don't mind me say so. I know that you'll explain 0:21:40.160 --> 0:21:41.720 it to me and I'll get it. But right now 0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:44.159 it seems completely out of character for you. 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:46.879 Well, I'm curious what makes you think, well, what is 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:47.920 the character of Bernie Man. 0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:50.239 Well, I don't know anything about Bernie Matt. So you're 0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:51.920 going to explain it to me. But when I think 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:55.120 about you, I think of someone who is organized and 0:21:56.480 --> 0:22:01.600 forward thinking, methodical, business like and adult. These are not 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:05.120 things that I think of about burning man. 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:07.480 Do you know what I mean? Okay, so talk about 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:12.760 trash on my eggs? Hold on, hold on? What is 0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:15.639 that little care? Oh man, I don't do caveare but 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:17.959 we don't do well. I've never liked it, but I'm 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:20.120 going to try it. Well, this is the time. I'll 0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:21.959 give you a little bit on the side, right, so 0:22:22.000 --> 0:22:24.600 you can choose if you like her not caviar right, 0:22:25.320 --> 0:22:26.439 cavire o eggs. 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:28.280 I'm going to I hope that I don't like that 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:30.040 so much because I don't have the kind of money 0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:31.919 that means I can have this. 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:35.520 It is like, so this is like eating raw good. 0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:37.000 To be to be clear, these are these are not 0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:38.400 the very expensive kind. 0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:41.159 But you know you're make me with scrambled eggs. You 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:44.680 want to go nuts with the with it? Mm hmm 0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:48.960 you know what, Oh my god, it's pretty good. 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:54.920 I guess, Oh my god, you so when you make 0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:57.480 scrambled eggs of burning Man. First of all, I have 0:22:57.600 --> 0:22:59.520 to know what's your attachment at Burning Man? 0:22:59.560 --> 0:23:02.080 When did you going? Why do you go? Yeah, as 0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:05.600 I first went in nineteen ninety eight. Okay, that's real 0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:08.280 burning Man. That's yeah, it's like real the old days. 0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:13.679 And you know, I didn't know what to expect. Frankly, 0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:15.159 I think no one knows what to expect. 0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:17.920 Ever, I've never been. It's so hard to describe. 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:22.800 So I went there and I camped next to this 0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:25.160 guy kind of took care of us because we we 0:23:25.160 --> 0:23:27.520 weren't really prepared properly, as my sister and my cousin 0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:31.119 and I, and we showed up with a cooler and 0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:33.200 maybe a tense and stuff, and you just you need 0:23:33.240 --> 0:23:35.240 more infrastructure than that to have a good time at 0:23:35.240 --> 0:23:40.840 burning Man. So this sky was really large, roly poly 0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:43.160 kind of michelin Man kind of guy. 0:23:43.520 --> 0:23:45.159 Was he wearing a shirt and no pants, because that's 0:23:45.160 --> 0:23:47.480 what I think of no shirt, no pants, no shirt, 0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:50.680 no totally naked, really yeah, seriously. 0:23:51.160 --> 0:23:54.040 And he he had this roly poly skin like white, 0:23:54.080 --> 0:23:56.520 like very very bright white, and he covered himself in 0:23:56.640 --> 0:23:59.560 zinc sun block, but still took care of us. 0:23:59.560 --> 0:24:02.320 So we were We're happy to do it anyway we want. 0:24:02.480 --> 0:24:04.160 But he's still to this day has the best art 0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:08.200 piece I've ever seen at Bernie Man in twenty five years. 0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:11.560 He had a water tank that held get up, put 0:24:11.600 --> 0:24:13.480 his water tank on in the back, and out of 0:24:13.480 --> 0:24:16.440 the water tank would come a post and a circle 0:24:16.520 --> 0:24:20.639 like a metal tube, and he would walk around Bernie 0:24:20.680 --> 0:24:24.320 Man and give people showers. But the catchwords you have 0:24:24.400 --> 0:24:27.440 to be in the shower with him. The curtain would 0:24:27.440 --> 0:24:29.679 be on that rud and he would close the curtain 0:24:29.720 --> 0:24:32.439 and you'd be inside the shower with this guy. You 0:24:32.440 --> 0:24:35.320 could not avoid rubbing against him if you wanted the shower. 0:24:36.000 --> 0:24:41.320 And he was completely com I think illegal. No people 0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:43.440 volunteer to come in. I don't really want that shower. 0:24:43.800 --> 0:24:46.240 And it took me a few days to even imagine 0:24:46.240 --> 0:24:48.320 that I would ever want to get into that shower, right, 0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:49.760 And I did. At the end, I was like, you 0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:52.920 know that's actually you just stood there and he held 0:24:52.920 --> 0:24:54.919 the soap for me, and I was like, this is 0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:58.640 it's it's not just about the art. It's the experience 0:24:58.880 --> 0:25:02.439 of going out out of your comfort zone that I 0:25:02.600 --> 0:25:04.000 just really fell in love with that. 0:25:04.040 --> 0:25:06.000 Bernie Mand, do you fall in love with him? Is 0:25:06.040 --> 0:25:10.639 that what you're telling me? Did he get excited you 0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:11.120 were there? 0:25:11.280 --> 0:25:11.399 No? 0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:16.080 Okay, okay, nope, just there to be in a shower 0:25:16.119 --> 0:25:16.480 with you? 0:25:16.600 --> 0:25:18.640 Right? What is burning mine? Because you got to talk 0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:19.080 me through it? 0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:21.239 I imagine it's just like being a bunch of people who 0:25:21.240 --> 0:25:23.600 are zapped off their TETs on some kind of you know, 0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:27.040 drug and going crazy in the desert. 0:25:27.080 --> 0:25:30.040 It's not that it's not that easy to describe. It's like, 0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:32.760 the best way I've described, Bernie Man, is. 0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:35.800 Do you like the beach? If you go to the beach. 0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:38.080 Of course, but you go. 0:25:38.040 --> 0:25:40.840 To the beach, it's hot, sunny, you know, the lot 0:25:40.840 --> 0:25:44.199 of sand. Some people don't like the beach, right, some 0:25:44.240 --> 0:25:46.440 people don't like the beach. But if someone had never 0:25:46.480 --> 0:25:50.080 seen the beach, would you say to them, I don't understand. 0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:51.960 Okay. 0:25:52.000 --> 0:25:56.560 So it's as diverse and experience as the beach divers. 0:25:56.240 --> 0:25:56.680 Is the beach. 0:25:56.760 --> 0:25:59.480 Some people don't like it, some people love it. 0:25:59.560 --> 0:26:00.680 What do you love about it? 0:26:01.520 --> 0:26:03.560 I like the first of all, you get a break 0:26:03.560 --> 0:26:05.360 from all technology. 0:26:05.480 --> 0:26:06.040 So you're there. 0:26:06.280 --> 0:26:09.760 There's no internet, there's no phone, there's no sense of time. 0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:11.320 You wake up when you're when you wake up, you 0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:13.080 got to bed, when you want to go to bed, eat, 0:26:13.080 --> 0:26:16.359 when you're hungry, you're There's a lot of dancing, the 0:26:16.400 --> 0:26:18.240 beautiful ritual at the end of the week where you 0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:21.480 burn the man, which to me is very meaningful because 0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:24.000 you kind of put the pass behind you, right, and 0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:28.240 it's a very powerful ceremony. Eighty thousand people come around 0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:31.160 it and you do it in community. 0:26:31.240 --> 0:26:34.280 It's it's a really amazing experience. That's interesting to me. 0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:37.359 It feels like it has a, as you describe it, 0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:41.479 a sort of religious ceremonial feel to it, does it. 0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:43.360 People have tried to call it that, but it's not that. 0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:47.480 It's more it's more like it's more like an ego death, 0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:51.440 which is not really spiritual. It's more like a people 0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:53.119 talk about these things. You know, I actually broke my 0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:55.720 neck when I was in twenty ten, I was. 0:26:55.680 --> 0:26:56.640 Paralyzed for three days. 0:26:56.640 --> 0:27:01.119 It was, Oh my god, it's a complete burning no, no, no, no, 0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:05.200 this is on a ski hill, right, and you realize 0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:08.160 for several days that everything you've done up until now 0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:10.080 can't continue. 0:27:10.840 --> 0:27:13.040 It's just it's just gone. You can't walk. 0:27:14.040 --> 0:27:18.560 It's it's just such a powerful and difficult experience. And 0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:20.440 it turns out they healed me and I was able 0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:23.280 to function again, but it took two years to get 0:27:23.400 --> 0:27:25.880 back to where I am. And thinking as for Western medicine, 0:27:26.400 --> 0:27:29.080 no idea, Yeah, no, it really incredible. But that experience. 0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:30.960 You kind of get a mini version of that every 0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:33.199 year at Burning Mad, where whatever you did in the 0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:36.480 past is left behind and you're burning up literalty. 0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:39.280 It's like it's the ritual. And so I wouldn't call 0:27:39.320 --> 0:27:39.800 it religious. 0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:43.920 It's more like there's a spiritual element to it. It's 0:27:44.040 --> 0:27:48.399 more it's more more of a mind conscious experience. 0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:52.000 Do you think you're you think you, I mean clearly 0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:56.080 you are someone who's drawn to the spiritual nature of things, 0:27:56.240 --> 0:27:58.120 even even with food. 0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:01.360 Are you a religious person? Do you have a dogma 0:28:01.400 --> 0:28:03.120 that you find attractive. 0:28:02.640 --> 0:28:07.280 Or I've had enough experiences in my life to really 0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:09.480 feel the presence of God, and I love that. 0:28:10.480 --> 0:28:12.360 I don't. I don't relate to any of the religions. 0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:15.000 Fairly recently have to said I'm interested in being a Quaker. 0:28:15.840 --> 0:28:18.639 What is that again? Well, it's kind of like burning 0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:21.880 Man for Protestants. I think it is, like, I wonder 0:28:21.920 --> 0:28:22.800 how the Protestants do it? 0:28:22.880 --> 0:28:29.000 Probably not, Well, the Quakers have no clergy, so I'm 0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:33.080 kind of fascinated by that. And Quaker friends, the meetings 0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:34.600 that they have, I don't know enough about it, so 0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:38.320 I'm kind of outside mind. But they sit down like 0:28:38.440 --> 0:28:41.400 for an hour, and if someone wants to talk, they talk, 0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:43.080 and if no one wants to talk, they just sit 0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:43.920 for an hour. 0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:47.920 And that I feel would be very powerful. The older I. 0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:53.200 Get, the more fascinated I am with religion and spirituality. 0:28:53.240 --> 0:28:55.160 Do you know it's a C. S. Lewis, who is 0:28:55.160 --> 0:28:59.680 a great Christian apologist, said that, you know, when you're young, 0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:02.280 it's easy to be an atheist and dismiss it all 0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:06.280 because death is a horseman three hills away, right, But 0:29:06.400 --> 0:29:08.280 when you hear the sound of the hoof beats, you 0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:12.840 kind of it starts to get your attention. And I 0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:17.320 don't think I could say that I was drawn into 0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:21.800 church like religion. But there's a bunch of people have 0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:24.640 become fascinated with. Have you heard of or do you 0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:29.800 have any knowledge of the Desert Fathers origin of Alexandria, 0:29:29.960 --> 0:29:33.920 Evagrace of Pontus, Saint Anthony was a group of pre 0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:37.880 church Christians that lived in the desert in Egypt in 0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:38.600 the second. 0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:39.280 And third centuries. 0:29:39.400 --> 0:29:43.000 They're fascinating not just fathers, there were women are doing 0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:46.080 it as well, which Christianity at that time was considered 0:29:46.240 --> 0:29:49.360 really outrageous because the Romans thought they were atheists because 0:29:49.400 --> 0:29:54.040 they only had one God, and they believed that women 0:29:54.240 --> 0:30:00.240 had souls, which was like this wildly feminist idea that 0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:04.360 women were people, which Christianity had, you know, I don't 0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:07.680 know the exact things, but it was much more egalitarian. 0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:09.720 And then when the Roman Empire took it over, and. 0:30:09.920 --> 0:30:11.840 It's kind of like, you know what I think is 0:30:12.120 --> 0:30:16.240 probably the way Burning Man is now, and once it's 0:30:16.280 --> 0:30:20.440 taken over by Starbucks, Yeah, right, exactly, Amazon, and you 0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:22.880 know what I mean, it's like then I think that's 0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:23.640 what happens. 0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:26.000 One of the things that that Burning Man has a 0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:30.520 women's principal ethos is decommodification, meaning that no Starbucks allowed, 0:30:30.600 --> 0:30:33.200 no sponsorships allowed, no people. 0:30:33.200 --> 0:30:33.920 Actually a sorry. 0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:37.440 Companies will support incredible art pieces out there, but it 0:30:37.480 --> 0:30:40.680 has to be anonymous, right And it is such an 0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:43.960 unusual way to do things in today's world that maybe 0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:44.880 there's some truth to that. 0:30:52.520 --> 0:30:55.360 You see that thing about ego death and ego detz 0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:57.600 is a fascinating concept for me, the idea of given 0:30:58.120 --> 0:31:01.040 the myth of ownership, Like you know, you've got a 0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:02.440 bit of money, I've got a bit of money. We 0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:06.240 both know that the dirty secret about money. And anyone 0:31:06.240 --> 0:31:08.520 who doesn't have money doesn't know this dirty secret. And 0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:10.360 I grew up with no money. I know that either 0:31:10.400 --> 0:31:12.760 were time in life you didn't have any money. And 0:31:12.800 --> 0:31:15.719 the dirty secret about money is it doesn't do as 0:31:15.800 --> 0:31:17.400 much as you think it's gone. 0:31:18.120 --> 0:31:20.480 It's like que demoralizing. How the power you get out. 0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:23.240 Of it, It's like it does some things. 0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:26.640 And I remember talking to you know, Jim Carrey. Yeah, 0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:29.080 I don't know him, but I know he's wonderful. I 0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:30.480 did a movie with Jim. 0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:34.240 Jim's he's kind of like a man in search or something, 0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:37.640 And he said he wishes everybody in the world could 0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:40.800 get everything they ever wanted, because then they would realize 0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:44.440 how much it doesn't work, because he got everything he wanted, 0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:48.040 you know. And I think that the idea of fascinated 0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:49.880 by your description of burning my because the idea of 0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:51.960 ego death or the myth of ownership, and. 0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:54.480 That's stually a good point in bringing in. There's no ownership. 0:31:55.040 --> 0:31:57.120 So if you even if you created an art piece 0:31:58.120 --> 0:32:02.360 that no one knows that yours, there's no recognition. You 0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:04.320 can certainly stand next to it and tell people that's 0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:06.160 my art piece, but people don't do that. It's very 0:32:06.200 --> 0:32:09.320 hard and sunny out there. Even obviously all the camps 0:32:09.320 --> 0:32:11.480 are they're set up and taken down and there's leave 0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:11.960 no trace. 0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:15.280 So there is no ownership. 0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:17.880 What is the organizational structure of it? Then how does 0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:18.720 it come together? 0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:22.720 Yeah, it's a fascinating organization. I'm actually on the board. 0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:27.840 It's an incredible with people in California that run our 0:32:27.880 --> 0:32:31.320 incredible group of people that's I think created the most interesting, 0:32:31.960 --> 0:32:34.240 definitely the most interesting, but also probably the most awesome 0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:36.400 event in the world. But there are only a group 0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:38.240 of say one hundred people. The thing that makes berning 0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:41.840 men very special. Is in addition to that, those hundred 0:32:41.840 --> 0:32:45.400 people organize ten thousand volunteers, right, and those ten thousand 0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:49.360 volunteers make up ten thousand of eighty thousand attendees, So 0:32:49.360 --> 0:32:52.640 they're both volunteers as well as attendees. And so you 0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:57.360 get this community built city, literally the third biggest city 0:32:57.600 --> 0:33:01.200 in Nevada for one week of the year, and they 0:33:01.200 --> 0:33:03.040 build it and then they take it down. 0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:04.800 It's fascinating. 0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:08.080 It's fascinating because it feels like it would be difficult 0:33:08.120 --> 0:33:11.280 to have or it would be a ripe environment for 0:33:11.360 --> 0:33:12.600 people to behave badly. 0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:13.600 It doesn't feel well. 0:33:13.680 --> 0:33:17.680 Actually, the opposite happens because you're it's essentially a survival 0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:22.360 camp in the desert. You're dependent on everyone around you. 0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:25.440 You just can't survive by yourself, right, and that creates 0:33:25.480 --> 0:33:29.080 a very different psychological relationship with the people around you, 0:33:29.080 --> 0:33:32.520 where you're very nice to them. And I've had people 0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:35.000 join me over the years. Yeah, I should bring you 0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:36.000 sometimes you have a bleass. 0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:36.680 I am fascinated. 0:33:36.720 --> 0:33:38.240 But it's one of my favorite thing is to bring 0:33:38.280 --> 0:33:40.320 a vision to burning memory. They've never been and they 0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:44.280 don't understand it, but the people will actually ask me, like, 0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:47.680 how is it that everyone is so friendly? It's so 0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:51.880 unusual how friendly they are. And it's not just because 0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:53.960 they're being friendly to you because you're new or you 0:33:54.000 --> 0:33:56.000 don't really know what you're doing. They'll be friendly to 0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:58.760 you because they will need your help in some form. 0:33:59.040 --> 0:33:59.280 Right. 0:33:59.760 --> 0:34:02.520 It's funny because I feel like, as you describe it, 0:34:02.640 --> 0:34:05.959 I think to myself, I have a level of cynicism 0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:08.440 that would look I get uncomfortable in the Midwest when 0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:10.960 people are friendly, you know. I mean, it's like, I 0:34:11.320 --> 0:34:14.480 wonder if do you have to drop that cynicism in 0:34:14.600 --> 0:34:15.720 order to feel comfortable. 0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:19.000 It doesn't serve you to be cynical because you're in 0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:22.520 survival camp. So cynicism is a luxury when you're like, 0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:25.120 I'm above everyone. I can, I can be cynical, right 0:34:25.160 --> 0:34:28.080 when you're in survival mode, that's got to go. 0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:32.719 That's very interesting, So you bring yourself down to it 0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:35.440 has to be a community that's against against the konum 0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:36.800 An enemy, if you like. 0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:40.080 Is the environment the what you're working again, the dust, 0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:43.160 the heat? Is it very druggy? Is it very kind of? 0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:46.000 I think it's really whatever people want to do, because 0:34:46.040 --> 0:34:49.040 I don't do anything, whatever you want to do. 0:34:49.080 --> 0:34:52.480 I think the use of psychedelics is very strong, I 0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:54.919 would imagine, but alcohol. 0:34:54.600 --> 0:34:57.920 Is non existent, right because it's because. 0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:01.440 It's a desert your grade you die with it. So 0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:04.640 so I think that it's very sort of mind expanding 0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:07.960 kind of drugs or medicines if you take them, but 0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:11.319 you also don't need it because it's so overwhelming how 0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:14.359 much is going on. And the other thing that is 0:35:14.440 --> 0:35:17.520 incredible is there's usually about five hundred art pieces that 0:35:18.320 --> 0:35:20.200 could range from the size of this coffee cup to 0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:23.360 the size of that tree literally even bigger because it 0:35:23.360 --> 0:35:26.880 says so incredible. And these are people who've gifted the 0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:28.600 art to the plier for that week, and I also 0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:30.520 have to take it down and remove it afterwards. One 0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:33.239 time a seven forty seven was deconstructed and rebuilt on 0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:33.640 the plier. 0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:34.360 It's awesome. 0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:36.839 I mean, it's just so so the scale of things 0:35:36.920 --> 0:35:41.080 is just always always beyond, but the feeling of everyone 0:35:41.160 --> 0:35:43.480 gifting makes it turns it around on you. In your 0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:45.719 own mind, You're like, well, I wonder what I could 0:35:45.880 --> 0:35:48.319 what gift Clibring, right, And so the first time you 0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:50.200 come to Bernie Man, you're usually not bringing a gift. 0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:52.080 But by the time you've left Bernie Man, you like, 0:35:52.120 --> 0:35:54.160 next time I come, I'm going to bring something. I'm 0:35:54.160 --> 0:35:57.440 gonna bring my gift whatever that is even be spoken 0:35:57.480 --> 0:36:00.040 with poetry. You don't have to bring something physical, but 0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:02.640 you're going to bring something. It's hard to hard to 0:36:02.640 --> 0:36:05.440 come back to Bernie Man and not be a participant 0:36:05.600 --> 0:36:06.280 with a gift. 0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:10.640 What about the advent of social media is it does 0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:11.520 that affect it? 0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:14.719 It doesn't affect it as much because you don't have internet. 0:36:14.480 --> 0:36:17.960 Connection, right, so people will still be recording things, which 0:36:19.080 --> 0:36:19.319 they do. 0:36:19.440 --> 0:36:22.240 But it's I think there's something about social media that 0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:25.520 that it's all about current events, or at least this 0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:28.279 is what I'm doing today, not a particularly interesting event. 0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:30.719 But if you if you go to Bernie Man and 0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:32.680 you come back in a week later, you've got some 0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:36.239 videos you want to post, Sure post them, but you're 0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:36.920 not in the moment. 0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:38.360 You know, there's no adrenaline around it. 0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:41.440 There's no like endorphins from getting likes or whatever, because 0:36:41.480 --> 0:36:44.160 it's it just takes a long time. Sort of recover 0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:47.239 from Bernie Man is quite an intense experience. It just 0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:48.920 doesn't match social media. 0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:52.680 But what about a situation where if you're there and 0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:56.440 you're you're well known, people know who you are. Well known, 0:36:56.520 --> 0:36:59.520 people know who if I'm there, like walking around naked 0:36:59.560 --> 0:37:03.160 with a show or carton, I can get people like 0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:04.839 I feel like that would. 0:37:04.760 --> 0:37:08.480 That make it out? Totally do it? 0:37:08.520 --> 0:37:12.040 But I don't think I've ever seen someone pull out 0:37:12.080 --> 0:37:15.320 their phone at burning Man, Right, it's a pretty big statement. 0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:18.160 Like I was at the Taylor Swift concert and everyone's 0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:19.080 watching through their phone. 0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:21.239 Yeah I know, and you're like, Okay, I get it. 0:37:21.320 --> 0:37:23.200 They want to record it for some posterity, for some 0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:27.319 reason at Bernie Men. Yeah, that's just the weirdest thing 0:37:27.360 --> 0:37:28.120 you can imagine. 0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:32.879 Then let's talk about the phones a little bit and recording. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:37:32.920 --> 0:37:35.560 I would actually have been lovely. I'm just back here 0:37:35.600 --> 0:37:38.719 again with my eggs. I'm going to actually, finally, I'm 0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:41.719 just going to steal a few more eggs because I 0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:44.279 swear to God, rich guy eggs or best eggs I've 0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:47.080 ever tasted in my life. It's a whole different Like 0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:50.440 eggs like this and Danny's just don't exist, you know 0:37:50.440 --> 0:37:54.680 what I'm saying. Oh my god, it's like barning manners 0:37:54.719 --> 0:37:55.400 in my mouth. 0:37:56.360 --> 0:37:57.280 It's delicious. 0:37:57.280 --> 0:38:00.879 I'm not kidding, hey man, thanks, Is this special water 0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:02.360 or just water from the process? 0:38:02.640 --> 0:38:06.279 It is from the tapid little filtering in it. Nothing 0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:09.920 super special about little bit of right exactly. 0:38:10.680 --> 0:38:13.160 So when you were at the Taylor Swift concert people 0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:19.040 were recording through the port I in a slightly different 0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:21.600 experience but still an amazing thing to go and see. 0:38:22.160 --> 0:38:26.680 Was that the the exhibition of Vangos Cypresses the met 0:38:26.960 --> 0:38:31.120 last week, and in the exhibition of Vangos Cypresses is 0:38:31.560 --> 0:38:34.720 the starry Starry Night, the starry Night. They not started 0:38:34.719 --> 0:38:37.840 starry Night, that's the song, but starry Night, the vango, 0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:39.720 very very very famous ango. 0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:42.640 Painting out there and looking at the paint, it's a 0:38:42.920 --> 0:38:43.840 remarkable piece of art. 0:38:43.840 --> 0:38:46.279 It's unbelievable piece of art, but as I'm sure a 0:38:46.280 --> 0:38:49.960 Taylor Swift concert is. But you have to time how 0:38:50.000 --> 0:38:52.080 you see it, to not see it through the screens 0:38:52.080 --> 0:38:54.480 of other people's phones as they hold you know, they 0:38:55.120 --> 0:39:00.680 allow in there. And I feel like what we are 0:39:00.719 --> 0:39:04.840 in danger of losing. And it's interesting that you describe 0:39:04.840 --> 0:39:06.800 Burning Man the way you do, because I feel like 0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:08.719 it plays in a little bit. I think we're in 0:39:08.760 --> 0:39:14.800 danger of losing analogue biological memories. Yeah, that we record 0:39:14.920 --> 0:39:17.239 things like we don't have the capacity to do. 0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:19.200 It for ourselves. That seems weird to me. 0:39:19.640 --> 0:39:22.560 I'm perfectly capable of looking at a thing, and I 0:39:23.239 --> 0:39:27.080 wonder if something is lost by recording it. 0:39:26.960 --> 0:39:30.160 As as opposed to remembering it. I already do believe that. 0:39:30.280 --> 0:39:33.640 I obviously I don't share most people don't share that 0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:37.840 that view. But I love enjoying the Tailor Shrift concerts 0:39:37.880 --> 0:39:40.680 and being in the moment with her music right, and 0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:45.920 adding my phone reduces that, I agree the perfect experimation. 0:39:45.960 --> 0:39:47.719 In fact, when I was through show last night, I 0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:49.720 was relieved to see that no phones were allowed. 0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:52.279 Yeah, and in my game, you got to buy on 0:39:52.320 --> 0:39:52.680 the phones. 0:39:52.840 --> 0:39:54.359 But you might have a reason because you don't want 0:39:54.360 --> 0:39:56.680 that content, that jokes to be shared elsewhere. I think 0:39:56.719 --> 0:39:59.120 that is that's they weren't doing that. They were just 0:39:59.200 --> 0:40:01.959 watching your show with the phone so they could record 0:40:02.000 --> 0:40:04.560 it for their own personal prosperity. Right, it would they 0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:06.759 would dampen the laughter by half at least. 0:40:06.520 --> 0:40:08.920 Totally, because like if I do a stand up show, 0:40:09.160 --> 0:40:11.640 usually this happens in the bigger venues like Boulder Theater 0:40:11.719 --> 0:40:13.400 isn't one of those. But if I'm doing it like 0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:16.800 a casino or a bigger venue, which is like, you know, 0:40:18.120 --> 0:40:21.040 thousand people, they put big screens up at the site 0:40:21.080 --> 0:40:24.560 so that everybody gets a good view. But the nature 0:40:24.600 --> 0:40:27.839 of how these screens work, I speak into a microphone 0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:30.640 and a fraction of a second layer, the joke is 0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:32.000 delivered on it, and so it's. 0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:32.720 Kind of missus the beast. 0:40:32.760 --> 0:40:35.840 So all the timing is definitely you have to time 0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:38.440 like when you're playing big venues with screens, you have 0:40:38.520 --> 0:40:41.600 to time it differently. Yeah, because nobody looks at you. 0:40:41.600 --> 0:40:43.719 You're just a tiny little figure, right exactly. They all 0:40:43.719 --> 0:40:45.359 look at the giant close up of your face. 0:40:45.600 --> 0:40:48.760 You're almost watching yourself right and timing yourself for that screen. 0:40:49.000 --> 0:40:51.160 But here's an interesting thing. So there's a i' matt 0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:51.920 the mat the other day. 0:40:51.920 --> 0:40:54.080 It's just it feels to me like this plays into 0:40:54.120 --> 0:40:56.319 your burning man thing, just as we talk about it, 0:40:56.440 --> 0:40:58.719 or maybe there's something magical in the eggs. When I 0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:00.680 was in the mat, there was a there's a painting 0:41:00.760 --> 0:41:03.760 by Pisaro called I think it's. 0:41:03.560 --> 0:41:05.960 Called mon Matras Street on a Wintersday. 0:41:06.040 --> 0:41:09.320 It's not particularly famous painting, but it's a very famous artists, 0:41:09.360 --> 0:41:11.640 these French Oppression as there were post impressions. 0:41:11.680 --> 0:41:12.240 I can't remember. 0:41:12.280 --> 0:41:15.040 But it's a painting of a street in Paris on 0:41:15.040 --> 0:41:17.879 a Wednesday, and it's just everybody in it. And if 0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:21.439 you look to that reproduction of that painting, it would 0:41:21.480 --> 0:41:24.560 do you go, that's pretty. But when you stand next 0:41:24.560 --> 0:41:28.560 to the painting, it has an energy and a power. 0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:29.520 Feel, a history feel. 0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:33.080 You can smell the cold air in the street. It's 0:41:33.120 --> 0:41:37.720 this weirdest thing. And I wonder, I find myself drifting. 0:41:37.719 --> 0:41:40.560 Maybe it's my age, but I find myself drifting to 0:41:40.719 --> 0:41:43.799 analog experiences as much as possible because I find. 0:41:43.760 --> 0:41:44.719 I don't know if it's an age thing. 0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:46.399 I think it's a there's a certain there's a very 0:41:46.440 --> 0:41:49.120 strong culture, let's say the world. But it's definitely in 0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:51.640 America where people use their phones a lot. But at 0:41:51.640 --> 0:41:54.080 Burning Man, which was a which was an old ages 0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:56.440 kind of thing, right, no one uses their phones at all, 0:41:56.520 --> 0:41:58.640 no matter what your age is. And what I actually 0:41:58.680 --> 0:42:02.920 find amazing is people walk around with notebooks and they write. 0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:04.680 I mean, I have a notebook. 0:42:04.680 --> 0:42:08.239 I write, but that's very very unusual, and maybe once 0:42:08.320 --> 0:42:10.880 or twice a week in that week someone will come 0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:13.040 up to you and say, would you write something in 0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:13.640 my notebook? 0:42:14.120 --> 0:42:16.479 And I find that experience quite and then. 0:42:16.360 --> 0:42:18.200 You're like, WHOA, I've got to be vulnerable, And it's 0:42:18.239 --> 0:42:21.959 more of a it's a culture of being vulnerable, drawing 0:42:21.960 --> 0:42:26.120 out vulnerability. It's the exact opposite of recording something on 0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:29.400 a phone. There are people out there of any age 0:42:29.800 --> 0:42:33.640 that are appreciating the analog experience. I think especially because 0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:36.319 of COVID. I mean what happened in COVID lot most 0:42:36.320 --> 0:42:39.759 of our analog experiences and one of the things that 0:42:39.800 --> 0:42:43.120 we did as a gathering because I love connecting with people, 0:42:43.760 --> 0:42:45.839 COVID couldn't have been worse for me. We would get 0:42:45.880 --> 0:42:49.440 together sometimes every Sunday, maybe every second Sunday, and we 0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:54.400 would just come outside in the mountains of Colorado, pretty safe. 0:42:54.440 --> 0:42:56.239 No one ever go to COVID through this, and we 0:42:56.280 --> 0:42:58.719 would just get together for you interested the Quaker thing. 0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:01.840 We got together for about an hour and people could 0:43:01.920 --> 0:43:04.440 just sing a song, they could play a song for 0:43:04.480 --> 0:43:08.120 people to dance too, and it was really analog. It 0:43:08.280 --> 0:43:13.440 was this appreciation during COVID that we love the analog experience. 0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:16.319 We live and thrive by it. Why go to the 0:43:16.320 --> 0:43:18.560 tailor shrift concert at all if you purely want the 0:43:18.600 --> 0:43:21.960 digital experience right, and you see people there in community 0:43:22.040 --> 0:43:26.680 there there's definitely a very strong style guide for a 0:43:26.760 --> 0:43:30.319 better word. Everyone's wearing pink Tutuo's and and silver silver 0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:33.759 cowboy has. But that is the community. That is the 0:43:33.800 --> 0:43:37.520 analog experience, and I think young people love it. I 0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:40.319 think the addition of the phone, I don't get it, 0:43:40.440 --> 0:43:43.920 but hopefully they still love that analog experience. 0:43:44.000 --> 0:43:47.520 I wonder if human memory is changing though, because you know, 0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:51.120 the technology is added to the evolutionary experience of human beings. 0:43:51.200 --> 0:43:54.479 So the you know, the print presses invented, you can't 0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:58.000 uninvent it. You know, the fullness here is not going. 0:43:58.719 --> 0:44:04.799 As I age, I find my memory colors my experiences. 0:44:05.239 --> 0:44:09.640 It will take an experience which is unpleasant and negate 0:44:09.719 --> 0:44:11.680 the unpleasant effects of it. 0:44:11.680 --> 0:44:15.399 It will take a you know, like something from you. Well, 0:44:15.520 --> 0:44:20.200 it is a thing to learn and learn to take 0:44:20.200 --> 0:44:21.200 it and stride right. 0:44:21.280 --> 0:44:25.520 I mean, do we lose the ability to because if 0:44:25.600 --> 0:44:28.800 you look at you know, what's lazily called cancel culture, 0:44:28.840 --> 0:44:31.959 but if you look at the reaction of people, which 0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:37.120 is visceral and permanent, that seems quite machine like to me, Like, 0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:40.160 for example, everyone in their life has probably had I 0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:44.120 certainly have had unhappy love affairs. At the time, the 0:44:44.200 --> 0:44:47.680 pain was intense, but I can look back at that 0:44:47.760 --> 0:44:50.080 the way I look back at physical scars in my body. 0:44:50.800 --> 0:44:53.680 And though the pain was intense at the time, I 0:44:53.800 --> 0:44:58.520 have a kind of sweetness and fondness to what happened. 0:44:58.760 --> 0:45:00.640 I mean, I had to go through cassel culture once. 0:45:00.800 --> 0:45:04.040 It was just right when COVID happened. So middle of March, 0:45:04.719 --> 0:45:06.960 you know, I must last name and stuff. We had 0:45:06.960 --> 0:45:10.560 to close our restaurants because of COVID government shutdown. But 0:45:10.800 --> 0:45:14.959 we closed our restaurants three days before the government ordered 0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:16.960 us to shut down, which just swortal happening. It was 0:45:17.000 --> 0:45:19.279 a Monday, that's just closed for the week, right closed. 0:45:19.320 --> 0:45:21.960 We don't sure when to reopen. And I have a 0:45:22.000 --> 0:45:23.760 lot of empathy for our team, and we did everything 0:45:23.800 --> 0:45:24.240 we could. 0:45:24.040 --> 0:45:25.040 To help them out. 0:45:25.120 --> 0:45:30.080 But for those three days, the twittersphere or everyone was 0:45:30.080 --> 0:45:34.600 trying to cancel me for closing my restaurants. And then 0:45:35.200 --> 0:45:38.040 there was a national security order maybe a national emergency 0:45:38.080 --> 0:45:40.880 on the Friday, So it was four days of feeling 0:45:40.880 --> 0:45:42.120 it and then by Friday. 0:45:41.840 --> 0:45:44.279 Everyone's like, oh, we get it. We were just a 0:45:44.280 --> 0:45:46.800 couple of days ahead. It's like, yeah, that's not okay. 0:45:47.840 --> 0:45:49.960 I'm a very empathetic human and I heard a lot 0:45:50.000 --> 0:45:53.520 about my people and to get canceled. People were just 0:45:53.920 --> 0:45:57.600 so eager to jump on something to cancel and that's 0:45:57.640 --> 0:45:58.200 not healthy. 0:45:58.560 --> 0:45:59.920 No. I think that that's right. 0:46:00.000 --> 0:46:03.279 And that's what fascinates me about your description of burning Man, 0:46:03.400 --> 0:46:06.520 because we come to a point I feel like you're 0:46:07.120 --> 0:46:09.400 and I know you enough to know your love of food, 0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:13.280 you love of these community events. You strive for empathy, 0:46:13.800 --> 0:46:19.960 right that I feel like we are in danger of 0:46:20.320 --> 0:46:24.040 losing something, something very precious, and we don't have to 0:46:24.120 --> 0:46:26.600 lose it. But I think the discussion has to be 0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:30.480 about and it's weird because it ties in to all 0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:34.239 this Judeo Christian stuff, But you have to find a 0:46:34.280 --> 0:46:35.600 form of forgiveness. 0:46:35.880 --> 0:46:36.240 Yeah. 0:46:36.440 --> 0:46:40.640 Forgiveness, by the way, I think, is it's for the forgiver. Yeah, 0:46:40.760 --> 0:46:42.440 you benefit yourself always. 0:46:43.080 --> 0:46:43.279 Yeah. 0:46:43.360 --> 0:46:44.960 The person you're trying to forget it probably didn't even 0:46:45.000 --> 0:46:46.200 understand what you're forgiving them. 0:46:46.360 --> 0:46:46.720 Right. 0:46:47.320 --> 0:46:50.759 What you're doing is you're saying to yourself, I'm going 0:46:50.800 --> 0:46:54.160 to let this go. Yeah, and yeah, okay, you're forgiving 0:46:54.160 --> 0:46:56.120 the person. You might have an attachment to that person 0:46:56.160 --> 0:46:59.640 and maybe it helps you process that psycho psychologically, But 0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:01.600 the person you were helping is yourself. 0:47:02.040 --> 0:47:05.400 Yeah, it's that whole idea of resentment being drinking poison 0:47:05.480 --> 0:47:11.000 and hoping somebody else will die, exactly exactly the Kimble 0:47:11.320 --> 0:47:14.719 This was delicious, not just the food but the experience. 0:47:14.760 --> 0:47:16.440 And it's always a joy for me. 0:47:16.520 --> 0:47:19.759 It's always love your comedy as well. 0:47:19.840 --> 0:47:21.960 Well, thank thank you, and I'm sorry I made a 0:47:22.040 --> 0:47:23.480 joke about Elon last night. 0:47:23.600 --> 0:47:25.960 There was good Mark and Zach in a cage match, right, 0:47:26.280 --> 0:47:28.040 we need we needed an audience. 0:47:27.719 --> 0:47:31.160 That found that funny. I think they did. 0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:35.080 Just so everybody knows the joke I made about Elon 0:47:35.239 --> 0:47:36.319 was and it wasn't really a joke. 0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:37.720 I just said that not many. 0:47:37.520 --> 0:47:40.200 People know that Elon was the sun Baby and Telly Tuppies. 0:47:40.640 --> 0:47:42.640 It was just a remark and the truth is he 0:47:42.920 --> 0:47:46.520 was your move Internet Kimble is a joy. Thank you 0:47:46.560 --> 0:47:46.879 so much.