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Speaker 1: official Dallas Cowboys Half now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Wolves,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola. It is a Monday morning at a
Speaker 1: little after eleven o'clock, and that means it is time
Speaker 1: for another edition of mix Shots inside the s to
Speaker 1: BBC podcast studio here at the Beautiful Star in Frisco.
Speaker 1: It is April tenth, two thousand and twenty three. It
Speaker 1: is south teen days away from the first day of
Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. I am Bill Jones. We've got Everson
Speaker 1: Walls sitting in Mickey Spagnola's seat. So, Everson, you are
Speaker 1: the star of this show. I am captain now, that's right,
Speaker 1: Yes you are. And we have Mickey Spagnola's somewhere and
Speaker 1: we hope to have him on the show at some
Speaker 1: point over the course of the next forty five minutes
Speaker 1: or so if I say if I say so, I
Speaker 1: will allow Spags to come on. I am the man, right,
Speaker 1: you gotta get me, look, get me. It's been a
Speaker 1: while since we've had a chance to hear Everson's thoughts
Speaker 1: on what's going on. So we got some ketchup to
Speaker 1: do here. Over been some goods, been some good news.
Speaker 1: I think we've been signing the right people right to
Speaker 1: make things happen, like taking care of business to get
Speaker 1: to where you don't have to reach. Come April twenty
Speaker 1: seventh in the draft, still happy about the wide receiver signing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you get a thousand yards with five different teams,
Speaker 1: we'll jump into that right off the top here. But
Speaker 1: you know, we're looking at here. Over the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, we had what baseball opening day, we had
Speaker 1: to college basketball champions. They're all right, they're a game
Speaker 1: over five. Not as well over the weekend, but I
Speaker 1: had the college basketball champion crown a week ago. We
Speaker 1: had the Masters over the weekend, the women's game. Man,
Speaker 1: come on, that's right now. W NBA is gonna be hot.
Speaker 1: You get you got everybody's gonna be walking out like this. Now.
Speaker 1: We're getting excited about the Stars starting the playoffs, and
Speaker 1: we're getting excited about the Mavericks in the draft. Line
Speaker 1: talk about how about that? Talk about choices, right choices?
Speaker 1: If you were a player, okay, and you're you've got
Speaker 1: two games left in your season, and you have chance
Speaker 1: to get into a play in tournament, and you still
Speaker 1: have a postseason chance however you can get. And then
Speaker 1: you find out at eleven o'clock on Friday morning, the
Speaker 1: morning of a game, that you're not playing the night
Speaker 1: and you're not playing Sunday, and your season not just you,
Speaker 1: a few other guys blood got pulled on your season.
Speaker 1: What would ever sin Wall's reaction be? You know, not
Speaker 1: only that it was the fact that you faked us
Speaker 1: out with Luca, you know, like you played him why
Speaker 1: but yeah on Friday because it was Slovenian Night at
Speaker 1: the right No, no, it was. It was a special night.
Speaker 1: That's why he played. He played a quard makes this
Speaker 1: even funnier. Man, Come in, come on, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: sure Slovenian people are great people, but who cares about
Speaker 1: that when you know you're taking the game? That's right,
Speaker 1: that's why he played the first quarter of the game.
Speaker 1: But even beyond beyond that, I had Chuck Cooperstein, the
Speaker 1: radio voice of The Mavericks, on a show on CBS
Speaker 1: last night, and he was talking about on Wednesday he
Speaker 1: was stunned that the decision was made. And on Wednesday night,
Speaker 1: they played, as Chuck put it, maybe their best game
Speaker 1: of the season, beating beating a Sacramental team that's really
Speaker 1: good this year, and they beat him one twenty three
Speaker 1: one nineteen, okay, and kept those hopes alive and still
Speaker 1: just so. Then on the heels of that, the plug
Speaker 1: gets pulled. Whatever doesn't make it. I was just I
Speaker 1: was just wondering if Everson Walls was on this team.
Speaker 1: And the thing about it is everyone the players have
Speaker 1: been quiet about it. Everson would be so vocal about it.
Speaker 1: I know I wouldn't be like Hyrie. I would show up.
Speaker 1: I think he's I think he knows himself better than
Speaker 1: not to show up. Yeah, well, because agency he's gotten,
Speaker 1: either himself or his agent has advised him. Uh, you
Speaker 1: just lay low, We don't. There's no rea for you
Speaker 1: to comment on this because he will be connected to
Speaker 1: this explosion. Right. He was friendly and there's no governor
Speaker 1: on his mouth, and so he would. He speaks his mind,
Speaker 1: as it's been proven time and again, and Eversince speaks
Speaker 1: his mind too, So that's why I would love to
Speaker 1: hear whatever. So I definitely be extremely confused. I think
Speaker 1: I'd be more like Luca at this point, really, because
Speaker 1: he was trying his best to just you know, he
Speaker 1: was just trying. He said, I didn't like it, but
Speaker 1: he was very short with That's good for him, yeah,
Speaker 1: because he's he's he's a bit explosive as well. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyway, there you go, and Mickey Spagnola might be
Speaker 1: joining us here. Man, we don't need Spags. Keep it
Speaker 1: going both, we don't need him. Hey. Oh damn, hey
Speaker 1: sas Hey buddy, Hey o pal, the seat's really warm
Speaker 1: over here, Thank you, sir. Well mine's getting warm more.
Speaker 1: I'm right now. And are you going to reveal where
Speaker 1: you are or you want to leave that you're gonna do? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and my white wall behind me didn't work, so so
Speaker 1: we got your other phone line anyway, So wherever you are,
Speaker 1: there are phone lines. Okay, So Mickey, we're just getting
Speaker 1: started here, and I don't know if you've been able
Speaker 1: to listen right off the top. But one of the
Speaker 1: things that Everson just alluded to, which we might as
Speaker 1: well start with that, and it's the wide receiver situation,
Speaker 1: not only on this team but around the league in
Speaker 1: the big news yesterday O b J agreeing to terms
Speaker 1: with the Baltimore Ravens. It is a reported one year,
Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars guaranteed salary, with the possibility of getting
Speaker 1: it up to eighteen million with incentives. And I am
Speaker 1: stunned that team gave him that kind of money with
Speaker 1: the market that we've seen for wide receivers, which has
Speaker 1: been basically around the eleven million dollar year range here,
Speaker 1: and he hadn't played any year, and especially since they
Speaker 1: won't pay the quarterback what he's looking for. I'm sure
Speaker 1: this I'm trying to figure out. Did this go over
Speaker 1: real well that they got me a weapon, or the
Speaker 1: fact that they spent fifteen million dollars and a guy
Speaker 1: that hasn't played in a year over a year, but
Speaker 1: they gave him fifteen million dollars. You know, right now
Speaker 1: OBJ is sitting there thinking, and you guys thought I
Speaker 1: was just fishing. I got I got the money I
Speaker 1: wanted all this time. I would imagine Spags his his
Speaker 1: workouts had to be good, right, because you think they did.
Speaker 1: I haven't read anything that he worked out. It was
Speaker 1: well worked out, you mean personally with the with the Ravens,
Speaker 1: he had had a Yeah, he had a workout that
Speaker 1: teams attended. Yeah, he did a couple of weeks ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it must have been. It must have been. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: looked video I saw looked great. Yeah, yeah, so interesting.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, you know the fact that he
Speaker 1: finally got the workout. I think that's what a lot
Speaker 1: of teams are waiting on. If he didn't get fifteen,
Speaker 1: he may have gone to the Jets. And that was
Speaker 1: the speculation that he was going to visit New York
Speaker 1: and the Jets today. And uh so maybe that was
Speaker 1: enough to push the Ravens to up the endy and
Speaker 1: he said, Okay, first team that offers me fifteen, I'm
Speaker 1: taking it. And he's hook it. Yea. It can't be
Speaker 1: just the money, can It can't be just the model, right,
Speaker 1: He's got to know something's going coming down the line.
Speaker 1: He's not just going to Baltimore for the money. He's
Speaker 1: going because he knows something. Right. Well, that's what I
Speaker 1: was getting ready to say. Maybe he knew more about
Speaker 1: the quarterback situation in Baltimore than he knew about the
Speaker 1: quarterback situation with the Jets. That's crazy, but good point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking like the Jets are done deal. Also I'm
Speaker 1: having myself team yeah, and each team is hanging there saying, hey,
Speaker 1: this is what we want to do, but they hadn't
Speaker 1: done it yet and it's April tenth. That's right, there
Speaker 1: is There are new reports that the Rogers to the
Speaker 1: Jets deal will probably get done during the draft. But
Speaker 1: I think I think also the Ravens probably and maybe
Speaker 1: in their negotiations with with Lamar Jackson, he's been concerned,
Speaker 1: as Everson has pointed out that they haven't had a
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl received wide receiver on that team. They have
Speaker 1: tied end Mark Andrews. But uh, this in a way
Speaker 1: sweetens the pot for Lamar Jackson by bringing in OBJ,
Speaker 1: because you know OBJ has had conversations with Lamar Jackson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so there's only one pot Lamar Jackson wants sweet sweetened. Right. Well, Uh,
Speaker 1: Bill was saying he should fire his agent. Lamar should
Speaker 1: fire his agent himself and hire ob J's agent. They'll
Speaker 1: get the deal done. That I'm fired. I'm fired. But
Speaker 1: that brings us back to the Cowboys because obviously the
Speaker 1: Cowboys had ob j n during the regular season back
Speaker 1: in December what four months ago, and there was still
Speaker 1: speculation going into this offseason that ob j might wind
Speaker 1: up here in Dallas, and in the meantime, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: pulled off the deal about three weeks ago now on
Speaker 1: a Sunday morning with the Houston Texans and send a
Speaker 1: fifth round draft pick to Houston in exchange for Brandon Cooks.
Speaker 1: And I don't know about y'all, but I like havin
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks on this with and I like the fact
Speaker 1: that he played last year and he's not coming off
Speaker 1: with two torn acls on the same knee. You know,
Speaker 1: when you think of a wide receiver like that. And
Speaker 1: I don't know what we're gonna do with t Y,
Speaker 1: but you have two very precise route runners with it.
Speaker 1: With those two guys, they're they're where you want them
Speaker 1: to be at all times, and they can they can
Speaker 1: they can make their own moves off the line. They
Speaker 1: can get off the line and be the one on one. Uh.
Speaker 1: To me, that's uh, that's what you need. You need
Speaker 1: someone that you can count on when that guy's pressed
Speaker 1: in press position. You know, I need you to get inside,
Speaker 1: I need you to run that route. I need to
Speaker 1: be where I want you to be when I let
Speaker 1: it go those two guys. To me, they have they
Speaker 1: have made their reputations on being those type of receivers,
Speaker 1: you know. And here's the other thing we got to consider,
Speaker 1: because you remember when he was flirting with the Cowboys
Speaker 1: back last year, he mentioned, I want to go somewhere
Speaker 1: where I can stay. I want to go somewhere where
Speaker 1: I can stay for four years. I'm tired of living
Speaker 1: out of a suitcase, going from town to town to town. Well,
Speaker 1: he only got a one year deal, so it's not
Speaker 1: like Baltimore was all in on this, right and maybe
Speaker 1: neither were the Jets, because it sounds like, now if
Speaker 1: he's just trying to take a shot at the money
Speaker 1: for one year and try to re establish himself, which
Speaker 1: I think he should have done from the first place,
Speaker 1: but he wanted a long term deal and he didn't
Speaker 1: get it. So that kind of raises a little bit
Speaker 1: of a red flag, right you know. Maybe, and I'm
Speaker 1: just fishing here, maybe his successful workout really made him
Speaker 1: approach this in a totally different way. Maybe he's feeling
Speaker 1: so good right now that he feels more comfortable with
Speaker 1: a one year deal. You know, it feels that good
Speaker 1: to me too. I don't have to hide behind the
Speaker 1: multi year deal. I can prove it to you now
Speaker 1: with one year deal. I don't know, that's that's a stretch,
Speaker 1: I know, but obviously he felt really good about that. Fifteen.
Speaker 1: He jumped on that pretty fast, considering, you know, since
Speaker 1: the Rodgers deal is in the bag, he could he
Speaker 1: could have actually considered the Jets. So how many years
Speaker 1: has he removed from a really good season? Well, let
Speaker 1: me look him up there. I would say something postseason
Speaker 1: because he only played what four or five six games
Speaker 1: with the Rams, but they were good, they were quality
Speaker 1: games a right until the playoffs. Odell Odell in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, combined Cleveland and the Rams played fourteen games,
Speaker 1: thirteen starts. He had forty four receptions for five hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty seven yards and five touchdowns that season in
Speaker 1: the regular season. In the playoffs for the Rams, he
Speaker 1: had four more games, so they get you up to
Speaker 1: seventeen games that season and had twenty one more receptions,
Speaker 1: so they get you up to what sixty five receptions
Speaker 1: a couple of more touchdowns, So not bad. The playoffs
Speaker 1: were good, right, He was just a regular season He
Speaker 1: was solid. He regular sea Yeah, but not for twenty
Speaker 1: million dollars. And in the regular season with the Rams,
Speaker 1: the last half of that regular season eight games, seven starts,
Speaker 1: he had twenty seven receptions and five touchdowns for the Rams,
Speaker 1: and so then a couple that with what he did
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, that would be twelve games, forty eight
Speaker 1: receptions and seven touchdowns in twelve games. So that's, yeah,
Speaker 1: not bad year. Prior to that, in twenty twenty seven
Speaker 1: games with Cleveland, twenty three receptions, so that was a
Speaker 1: down year, and of course had the injury. The previous
Speaker 1: year with Cleveland in twenty nineteen, it was seventy four receptions,
Speaker 1: a thousand yards and four touchdowns. And then prior to that,
Speaker 1: that was his first year with Cleveland, and prior to
Speaker 1: that was with the Giants from twenty fourteen to twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: three straight Pro Bowl seasons to start his career fourteen, fifteen,
Speaker 1: and sixteen. So the last really good full season was
Speaker 1: twenty the eighteen. I mean, if it was with one team,
Speaker 1: I don't know about it. I mean, I think I
Speaker 1: think it's twenty one season pretty good myself, but but
Speaker 1: not twenty nineteen or twenty nineteen with Cleveland. He had
Speaker 1: seventy four catches for a thousand yards. So well I
Speaker 1: get that from Michael Gallant before he got hurt and
Speaker 1: he got a contractor, So there you go. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it wasn't twenty million a year anyway. We don't have
Speaker 1: to talk about OBJ anymore, No, I don't, all right,
Speaker 1: but we got plenty more to talk about the Cowboys.
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Speaker 1: on the phone line. Mickey Spagnola, you just lost your job.
Speaker 1: You know what. I'm happy to hand it off, by
Speaker 1: the way, you're happy to hand it up. No, we
Speaker 1: want to continue having Mickey make the reads because it's
Speaker 1: very entertaining. It's not as entertaining whenever reason. I know
Speaker 1: I'm too, I'm too stop two spot on man two
Speaker 1: spot on? All right, Mickey, as uh you. I don't
Speaker 1: know what you're doing, but you're not here, so you're
Speaker 1: doing something else as you're doing you or whatever else
Speaker 1: you're doing. Are you studying up for the draft? I am,
Speaker 1: did you bring along your Cowboys Star magazine and your
Speaker 1: NFL Draft guide. It's sitting right here in front of
Speaker 1: me with what do they got? One? Two, three, four,
Speaker 1: five guys on the cover? That's right? And I think
Speaker 1: they're Are they all from Texas? They are not. If
Speaker 1: I see an or knock, I see an organ duck
Speaker 1: gun their govern from Texas. Yes, but he is from Texas.
Speaker 1: See there. They're not all from DFW, but they're close. No,
Speaker 1: but this producer Supreme said mentioned DFW Jackson Smith and
Speaker 1: Jigba number eleven the Ohio State Buck guy from Rockwall, Texas. Wow,
Speaker 1: if he were available at twenty six, you run to
Speaker 1: the podium and get that guy. But he's not gonna
Speaker 1: be there at number twenty six, I would run there
Speaker 1: for him. Are about number five from Texas? That would
Speaker 1: be the running back be Jean Robinson? How fast would
Speaker 1: you run to the podium to make that call? I
Speaker 1: trade up to twenty one? You would? You're pulling him
Speaker 1: at Smith? Did you hear about the guy when him
Speaker 1: when he would when he was first born? He I
Speaker 1: think that he's heart wasn't beating. Did you know this
Speaker 1: story about about be Jean his mom was. I believe
Speaker 1: his mom was telling the story when he was first born.
Speaker 1: It was a real tear jerker. Were firstborn. You know,
Speaker 1: he wasn't his heart wasn't beating, and somehow he put
Speaker 1: three fingers on him and hearts did bone. He's just
Speaker 1: heart started beating. The next thing, you know, he's just
Speaker 1: stud They were looking at right now crazy stuff. Man,
Speaker 1: Well and sure beat well at ut That's all I know.
Speaker 1: And it would uh, it would beat well if he
Speaker 1: was at the Star in Frisco. I don't. I just
Speaker 1: don't think there's any way that he's still gonna be
Speaker 1: there at number twenty six. I think you got of
Speaker 1: hope that people keep continue to think, Wow, we shouldn't
Speaker 1: take a running back in the first round. What's bags?
Speaker 1: I must tell you. You know Bill's over here trying
Speaker 1: to be cute. You know, he comes in teasing me
Speaker 1: with I know I've got a draft. I just gotta
Speaker 1: will it down. But it must know I got. I'm
Speaker 1: thinking he's talking about bees because he's been all over him. Right,
Speaker 1: He's like, no, no, not him. He won't be there.
Speaker 1: Someone more real listed. I say, okay, well, let me
Speaker 1: spit it out there. I said, I'm not I'm not ready.
Speaker 1: I'm not ready, thank you. I'm not ready to reveal
Speaker 1: my number one guy in my big green NFL Draft
Speaker 1: scotting notebook for the Cowboys just yet. But I think
Speaker 1: maybe next Monday I might reveal it. Well, I thought
Speaker 1: you were talking about maybe a different running back. I
Speaker 1: do like another running back. There are a couple of
Speaker 1: running backs that I like. And the other running back
Speaker 1: there would be a you would have to take in
Speaker 1: the first stroud because he wouldn't be there in the
Speaker 1: second round, would be Jamir Gibbs from Alabama. That guy's
Speaker 1: got some serious juice. But he's smaller than uh than
Speaker 1: be Jean, he's two hundred pounds. What about Charbonneau? He's
Speaker 1: not telling, he's not talking. So you've done some research
Speaker 1: on Zach Charbonnet from UCLA and I have watched in person?
Speaker 1: Uh von a Chain also? Yeah, but Texas a and Okay,
Speaker 1: so you tell me who do you like? Well? A Chain?
Speaker 1: He's five eight ran a four three two with a
Speaker 1: four one forty nine split, which is getting it, and
Speaker 1: he plays past two. You worry about his size, but boy,
Speaker 1: I think the game I saw against LSU, he must
Speaker 1: have carried the ball thirty times. I'm just saying that
Speaker 1: off time. Is he is he a tywreek hill a short?
Speaker 1: Or is he you know, more of a turpin short?
Speaker 1: You know one was a little bit more slight than
Speaker 1: the other. He's five five eight and a half one
Speaker 1: hundred eighty eight pounds one eighty a is what he measured.
Speaker 1: And you know he's not big, But can you catch him?
Speaker 1: Just to give you an idea of the speed. Okay,
Speaker 1: he ran the four three two and on the track
Speaker 1: team at Texas A and M. And he ranks number
Speaker 1: three all time at Texas A and M with a
Speaker 1: six sixty three sixty, number four all time with a
Speaker 1: twenty point two two hundred and number nine all time
Speaker 1: with a ten point one four one hundred meters. That's
Speaker 1: how fast this guy is. Now, Now what I what
Speaker 1: I know? What I know about fast guys? Now? Is
Speaker 1: he fast guy? Is he is he Alexander Wright? Or
Speaker 1: is he is he? Is he? Bob Hayes him saying,
Speaker 1: is he is he a guy who can play football?
Speaker 1: Mickey's point be real fat? Or is he just real fasting?
Speaker 1: Right to the point about him playing football? Here is
Speaker 1: stats in ten games with Texas A and M this year,
Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety six carries for one thousand, one
Speaker 1: hundred two yards five point six yards to carry and
Speaker 1: eight touchdowns. And he also caught the ball thirty six
Speaker 1: times for one hundred ninety six yards and three more scores.
Speaker 1: So my math is right, ten games, eleven hundred yards.
Speaker 1: That's like one hundred and ten yards a game rushing
Speaker 1: the football. That's more than Renaldo mem I ever did
Speaker 1: in the football. He carried the load for him, too interesting,
Speaker 1: So I mean, that's that's what I need. If I
Speaker 1: get a running back, he's got to be able to
Speaker 1: carry the load and let Tony Pollard do what Tony
Speaker 1: Pollard does. Okay, so we've seen the last four years
Speaker 1: Pollard teamed with Zeke Elliott, and Zeke is that between
Speaker 1: the tackle running back? Okay, and polar is the outside
Speaker 1: guy who can take it to the house. What needs
Speaker 1: to be paired with Tony Pollard? Right now or as
Speaker 1: we approached the draft? Are we as concerned with pairing
Speaker 1: whoever it is with Tony Pollard or just get the
Speaker 1: best running back because running backs don't last very long
Speaker 1: in this league. Tony Pollard's coming off an injury and
Speaker 1: he's going into his fifth year in the league right now.
Speaker 1: So how much longer is Tony Pollard going to play
Speaker 1: in this league? See and Bill, That's one of the
Speaker 1: things that has to factor into all this. While they
Speaker 1: franchised him, there's a reason they franchised him and didn't
Speaker 1: give him a long term deal. Right, everybody's just assuming
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard comes back as Tony Polard. I keep sayings facts,
Speaker 1: I keep saying those exact words. We gotta see and
Speaker 1: we're just assuming. So that's why I think that if
Speaker 1: you want to call it the second running back, he
Speaker 1: better be ready to carry the load. Just in Kate.
Speaker 1: I mean, even if Pollard is back to being Pollard,
Speaker 1: they're not going to give him twenty five touches a game.
Speaker 1: And if you're seventeen weeks, if you're taking a running
Speaker 1: back in the first round or even the second round,
Speaker 1: he is going to be your number one running back
Speaker 1: in a couple of years if he's if he's not already, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And that's why I continue to say, and I said
Speaker 1: it before, they said it after the draft. If Ezekiel
Speaker 1: Ellie it's still sitting around and knowing, you know, giving
Speaker 1: him what he's looking for, bring him back. And I've
Speaker 1: really been kind of open. And if you do it
Speaker 1: that way, you're not insulting him. Like if you had said, Okay,
Speaker 1: ten point die, I'm going to give you two and
Speaker 1: a half million, that would have been insulting. But if
Speaker 1: you're without a job and it's may, you know, three
Speaker 1: million might sound really good to him. Let me ask
Speaker 1: you this, Mickey. Let's say Zeke is still a free
Speaker 1: agent come draft weekend and you've had some conversations with him,
Speaker 1: and how much does it affect what the Cowboys do
Speaker 1: in terms of a running back in the draft if
Speaker 1: they think that Zeke is a possibility or more of
Speaker 1: a growing possibility to sign him after the draft. Do
Speaker 1: you mean like, does it affect Does it affect? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking more beyond the first round because if if
Speaker 1: there's a if they're considering a running back in the
Speaker 1: first round, that running back is a guy that they
Speaker 1: think will be their lead back at some point in
Speaker 1: the not too distant future. But let's say we get
Speaker 1: to the second round, the third round, and does it
Speaker 1: affect their decision on whether to take that running back?
Speaker 1: If with other needs that they have. If they think
Speaker 1: that they can fill a need with Zeke right now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it does. And I think it does not
Speaker 1: just with Zeke, but whatever running act they pick, if
Speaker 1: it's not early in the draft, he's got to be
Speaker 1: he They gotta think he's better than Malite Davis or
Speaker 1: ric O'Donnell, Jon Ronald Jones. Yeah, absolutely, those three guys.
Speaker 1: I like that. I like that pick. Ronald Jones, like
Speaker 1: that signing. I really you know what happened to this guy?
Speaker 1: I think he started having fumba this or something when
Speaker 1: he was in Tampa. He fumbled against the Cowboys one
Speaker 1: game season opener. Yeah, he had. I was sitting right behind,
Speaker 1: right behind his family before the game. They're all excited.
Speaker 1: But he was a really, really good running back. He
Speaker 1: Ronald Jones, who of course signed last month with the
Speaker 1: Cowboys out of McKinney North High School. Last year he
Speaker 1: was with Kansas City and with the Chiefs only appeared
Speaker 1: in six games last year seventeen carries for seventy yards
Speaker 1: in a touchdown. Prior to that with Tampa Bay, uh
Speaker 1: second round draft pick out of USC in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: Key Year didn't do much that year, just appeared in
Speaker 1: nine games backup. He started nine games in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: He started thirteen games in twenty twenty, and then in
Speaker 1: twenty one after being the that was the year the
Speaker 1: Cowboys opened the season at Tampa Bay and after being
Speaker 1: there basically a primary back at the beginning of the season,
Speaker 1: he played in sixteen games, but only three starts, with
Speaker 1: four hundred twenty eight yards rushing, four touchdowns and four
Speaker 1: Nette became their gay. That's yeah, that's it, right before
Speaker 1: four net. That's why they went to guys four in
Speaker 1: net right, because they became disappointed in him. But I
Speaker 1: really saw some promise in him early on when he
Speaker 1: was the primary back. You know. But here again is
Speaker 1: another guy going into his sixth year in the league.
Speaker 1: How old is he he is? I don't have a
Speaker 1: written down here. I have to look it up. But
Speaker 1: come on, he's still in the He's still in the game.
Speaker 1: So Zeke, Now he's say major, Yeah, he's been he's
Speaker 1: been taking some hits, resting and he's a but he's
Speaker 1: kind of a placeholder. Right, It's almost like, okay, we
Speaker 1: got this just in case, right. Well. Ronald Jones, a
Speaker 1: veteran Ronald Jones will turn twenty six in August. Come on, man,
Speaker 1: you guys young. Yep, that's young. So he was just
Speaker 1: at USC for three years. I hope, I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 1: right about this. But I really did think that guy
Speaker 1: was a good back when he was with Tampa. I
Speaker 1: saw some promise in him. He made some good He's
Speaker 1: got some good speed as well. So that size ghost
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Speaker 1: Part I like it, Mickey, I like you when Everson
Speaker 1: makes the read because he hasn't read it before and
Speaker 1: so you're getting his immediate reaction when he mentions the
Speaker 1: superstar names like Dolly Parton and Garth Brooks Parton. Yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty cool. Yeah, but you know what these reads are
Speaker 1: supposed to be done in like ten or fifteen second.
Speaker 1: He's got his own style, right, I have more inflection
Speaker 1: than you do. Say that's sometimes sometimes the slower read
Speaker 1: could be more effect. I think about Summer all Immer,
Speaker 1: all murder, Everson, she wrote Walls or yeah, but he wasn't.
Speaker 1: He wasn't getting paid to get him done in a
Speaker 1: certain amount of time. I have stage, I have stage present, sir,
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Exactly right, all right, Everson? How
Speaker 1: long was it for you were in the league. How
Speaker 1: many years were you in the league before the announcers
Speaker 1: finally figured out that your name was Everson and not
Speaker 1: Emerson Walls. It didn't it didn't take long. But Tom
Speaker 1: never got it, you know, I mean, he was just
Speaker 1: that stubborn he was. I don't know why he wouldn't
Speaker 1: say it correctly. That's because there are people were thinking
Speaker 1: of Emerson Boozer, I think, And that could be it.
Speaker 1: You know, you might have been the first Everson to
Speaker 1: come along. Oh, there's no doubt that one, for sure,
Speaker 1: the first Everson to come along after Emerson Boozer. Definitely. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that was what the first Walls. But then there's
Speaker 1: the second Walls. Was it west Wesley Walls? What's the
Speaker 1: tight end's name? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. So no.
Speaker 1: Unique is all around the boy. Baby, there's no one
Speaker 1: like me. Bill, I thought you knew that. You know.
Speaker 1: In fact, I just did a little search. This is amazing,
Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola. I just did a search of Everson on
Speaker 1: Pro Football Reference to come up with all of the
Speaker 1: Eversons who have played in the professional football and I've
Speaker 1: got two. There's only two. Yeah, I just put in Everson.
Speaker 1: I did a search Everson, and only two came up,
Speaker 1: and both of them played for the Cowboys. Right. He
Speaker 1: was named after me, of course, Everson Griffin. That's how
Speaker 1: about that? How many joes have played in the end? Okay,
Speaker 1: let me I'll do that. I'll do that. How about Mickey,
Speaker 1: Let's do Mick. I'm gonna do Mickey. In Philadelphia, I
Speaker 1: believe it was John Spagnola. Can you name the former
Speaker 1: cowboy who had the name Mickey? A cowboy who had
Speaker 1: the name Mickey. There is no way you will get it.
Speaker 1: And in fact, he played at the University of Oklahoma. Wow,
Speaker 1: thirty years ago. Thirty years ago, there was a cowboy
Speaker 1: named Mickey. Oh, Mickey Pruitt. No, No, that's not the
Speaker 1: one I'm thinking of. This is a last name Mickey,
Speaker 1: Joey Mickey a tied end in nineteen I didn't now
Speaker 1: you got us on that. Look up. There's quite a
Speaker 1: few Mickeys that have played at the National Football League. Mickey,
Speaker 1: you wanted to make a point about Ronald Jones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say when we talked about, you know
Speaker 1: what he is or what they think he is, I
Speaker 1: just said, always when you see those things, follow the
Speaker 1: money and the money says it's a one year veteran exception.
Speaker 1: So they didn't like spend so much money that you know,
Speaker 1: he's not even guaranteed to make the team, and so
Speaker 1: he but he hadn't been injured a lot either, has
Speaker 1: he been spags? No, No, he's gonna turn. What to say,
Speaker 1: he's gonna turn twenty six? Right right? Mom? Man, this
Speaker 1: guy here to me. If i'm him, this is my opportunity.
Speaker 1: Is he your pick to click for this season? There
Speaker 1: you go, we're saying the bags. We're saying there writing
Speaker 1: as bags. That's my pick to click right there. Write
Speaker 1: that down, that's right, okay, yeah, write it down and
Speaker 1: save and save the tape. I've got one Spagnola, by
Speaker 1: the way, who played in the National Football League and
Speaker 1: John John Spagnola. Yep, from that funny story. So back
Speaker 1: to all that shows up on Pro Football Reference where
Speaker 1: you do a search anyway, Yes, go ahead, and back
Speaker 1: in the mid eighties, he was playing tight end for
Speaker 1: phil Pladelphia. Yes, And I was covering the game and
Speaker 1: had to do a sidebar and he had a great
Speaker 1: first half, and just so happened. The sports entator was
Speaker 1: at the game in Philadelphia and he came to turn
Speaker 1: to me and he said, Okay, if this guy's the story,
Speaker 1: we're going to have Spagnola and the headline and the
Speaker 1: bye line. And then the second half changed, and I
Speaker 1: think something happened that Cowboys came back and and the
Speaker 1: story just disappeared. I was like, oh, it was my
Speaker 1: one chance to have my headline. So you were putting
Speaker 1: them against the Cowboys, then yes, absolutely, just so you
Speaker 1: could shine, just so I could get above the byeline
Speaker 1: and at the bye line. All right, mickey, what other
Speaker 1: things are you looking at? Is with the draft approaching
Speaker 1: here in two and a half weeks for this team. Well,
Speaker 1: here's here's one thing that I keep seeing and and
Speaker 1: I'm not doing this to start trouble, but everybody keeps
Speaker 1: talking about the Cowboys need an interior line league, but
Speaker 1: not in the first round. And when I look at
Speaker 1: what they got, and I wrote it in my column
Speaker 1: on Friday, They've got five guys that can start for
Speaker 1: me if they're healthy today right now. I got to
Speaker 1: qualify it because I got it too. I don't want
Speaker 1: to just assume that Tared Steele is going to be
Speaker 1: ready to go for the season opener. So you're saying
Speaker 1: five guys who's can start for you on the offensive line,
Speaker 1: or yes, for five interior guys who Okay, I called them,
Speaker 1: they have They have the fab five right and now
Speaker 1: it's contingent on two things. Number One, steals ready to
Speaker 1: go now. He had his surgery December thirteenth, So if
Speaker 1: he if he's good to go in seven months, then
Speaker 1: he's my starting right tackle. Now. If he's good to
Speaker 1: go in nine months, then all bets are off because
Speaker 1: he's maybe not ready to start the season. My other
Speaker 1: assumption has to be that since they extended or at
Speaker 1: least restructured Tyron Smith, that they must feel that he
Speaker 1: can play. So what what would be wrong? Would Steal
Speaker 1: at right tackle, Tyrn Smith at left tackle, Tyler Smith
Speaker 1: at guard and then beyondish In Martin, and those are
Speaker 1: my starting five because I thought Tyler Smith for what
Speaker 1: little work he got after training camp, after Tyron Smith
Speaker 1: got hurt and they moved him to tackle when he
Speaker 1: played guard, I thought he was fine, and so he's
Speaker 1: my guard. If Tyrant Smith is still capable of playing
Speaker 1: left tackle. Now, no one has suggested that, right. Everybody
Speaker 1: keeps saying Steals gonna be the swing guy, or he's
Speaker 1: gonna be, you know, maybe be the guard. He was
Speaker 1: my best run blocker until he got hurt. And look
Speaker 1: what happened to the running game after he left in
Speaker 1: those last four or five games. Yeah, they struggled. So
Speaker 1: to me, if Tyrn Smith is capable of playing at
Speaker 1: the level he has played back at left tackle, he's
Speaker 1: my left tackle. Tyren Steals my right tackle, and Tyler
Speaker 1: Smith goes to guard for at least one more year,
Speaker 1: what would be wrong with that? I'll tell you what, though, Spags.
Speaker 1: Whenever Steel comes back, I learned a big lesson last
Speaker 1: year with a gallop. You know, he came back, but
Speaker 1: he wasn't ready. You know, he really he came back,
Speaker 1: but he wasn't ready. He wouldn't he didn't have a
Speaker 1: good foundation under him the entire season, and it really
Speaker 1: hurt us during the season. I'm looking at got hurt.
Speaker 1: He got hurt in January. I don't I don't care
Speaker 1: when he got hurt. I get it, I get it.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I hope that when he does come back,
Speaker 1: he has all the confidence in the world on that
Speaker 1: that that body part he has to because you know,
Speaker 1: you start putting somebody out there who's got they have
Speaker 1: a lot of guts, but they just don't have quite habit.
Speaker 1: That was a big lesson learned last year. I don't
Speaker 1: care when he comes back. I do get what you're saying,
Speaker 1: he's gonna have more time, But I don't care when
Speaker 1: he comes back. He's got to be But here's the other.
Speaker 1: Here's the other deal. Still doesn't have to run a
Speaker 1: twenty yard out five yards from him. Yeah, that sounds
Speaker 1: easy that you get that guy in front of you,
Speaker 1: but it's what my my scenario is contingent on him
Speaker 1: being ready to play. That's that's my point. And I
Speaker 1: don't know that you can just count on that, right.
Speaker 1: But they keep saying he's ahead of schedule. Well, that's fine,
Speaker 1: he's ahead of schedule. But schedule is scheduled. Uh, and
Speaker 1: you would and I don't know that he would be
Speaker 1: ready to start training camp, which would start what third
Speaker 1: fourth week in July. Well that's only seven months, So
Speaker 1: all right, my bigger concern go ahead, making No. I
Speaker 1: was just gonna say that's that's my concern on my
Speaker 1: scenario there that no one seems to want to, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, point out because they well they get they
Speaker 1: need a guard. Well, if they need a guard, they've
Speaker 1: got a guard if everything plays out right. My bigger
Speaker 1: concern when it comes to the offensive line is not
Speaker 1: this season, it's next season. Who are your tackles going
Speaker 1: to be next season? And who who's your center? And
Speaker 1: who's your left guard next season? Why do you ask that?
Speaker 1: Because Tyrant Smith is where he is in his career, right,
Speaker 1: is he gonna we don't? He's right, We gotta every
Speaker 1: year got something. Yeah, well, and we got to think that. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's a lot closer to the end than he was
Speaker 1: in the beginning. Okay, Terrence Steele is a free agent
Speaker 1: next year, Tyler Badish is a free agent. The starting
Speaker 1: center is a free agent next year. And right now,
Speaker 1: you got a hold at guard too. So there are
Speaker 1: of those five starters, Mickey, that you have penciled in
Speaker 1: for this year, three of them are uncertain for next
Speaker 1: year on this team. And so I think when you're
Speaker 1: looking at the draft, you have to you have to
Speaker 1: have a four to five year window in mind. Where
Speaker 1: is this team going to be a year from now,
Speaker 1: two years from now at that position, And so you
Speaker 1: can paint a picture here that there is a real
Speaker 1: need on the offensive line in this draft. Terrence Steele,
Speaker 1: how let's say he comes back and has a good
Speaker 1: year this year, what's his salary demand going to be
Speaker 1: next year? Washington just signed a offensive tackle from Kansas City,
Speaker 1: Andrew Wiley, three years, twenty four million dollars eight million
Speaker 1: dollars a year. The tackles that went off the board
Speaker 1: this year that made big money. Kansas City signed Juwan
Speaker 1: Taylor from Jacksonville four years, eighty million, sixty million guaranteed.
Speaker 1: Orlando Brown went from Kansas City to Cincinnati four year,
Speaker 1: sixty four million with a thirty one million dollars signing bonus.
Speaker 1: Will Terrence Steele be somewhere between the eight million dollars
Speaker 1: a year and the twenty million dollars a year and
Speaker 1: kind of the Cowboys afford that next year. All right,
Speaker 1: so that's what you're looking that's what you're looking at
Speaker 1: it steel, and then you've got two other spots interior. Yeah,
Speaker 1: eight for sure. So you don't have to have a
Speaker 1: first round pick in every spot on the offractive wine.
Speaker 1: So I'll say what I said last year. Find me
Speaker 1: a tackle that can play guard in the interim until
Speaker 1: he's ready to, which is what they did last year.
Speaker 1: Don't draft a guard. Well you can do you're changing.
Speaker 1: You said no one would draft of guard. That's what
Speaker 1: you said. That's real close to you. I remember this conversation.
Speaker 1: Are they okay? How are they near the situation they
Speaker 1: were ten years ago when they took Tyring Smith in
Speaker 1: the first round top ten pick in twenty eleven, and
Speaker 1: then in twenty thirteen was it Travis Frederick and then
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen Zach Martin? All Right, you just took Tyler
Speaker 1: Smith in twenty twenty two. How close are they to
Speaker 1: spending a couple of more first round draft picks or
Speaker 1: was that the wrong approach to take ten years ago? No,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, but you don't have to do everything in
Speaker 1: the first round. That then they had nothing to work with.
Speaker 1: They were they were toast. That's why twenty ten happened. Right, So,
Speaker 1: you feel like they've got they've got more to work
Speaker 1: with now in that offensive line than what they had
Speaker 1: to the Pro Bowl this year. By the way, Tyler
Speaker 1: went to the Pro Bowl, right, right, So, and he's
Speaker 1: a free agent next year. Well, you got a signal
Speaker 1: to me, that's more that. To me, that's crucial when
Speaker 1: you're talking about the center. You know, every everyone else
Speaker 1: may may block better, you know, they may fit very well,
Speaker 1: they may dominate. But when you have a center that
Speaker 1: you're accustomed to, to me, that's crucial. And oh, by
Speaker 1: the way, oh by the way, as we're talking about
Speaker 1: these offensive linemen, Zack Martin turns thirty three in November,
Speaker 1: but no one, nobody knows that, no one even no
Speaker 1: one cares because he doesn't show it. He doesn't. That's right.
Speaker 1: My point is, you don't take a guard in the
Speaker 1: first Oh stop, see that is what you said last year.
Speaker 1: That's that's right. Go look at Tyler Smith's draft bio.
Speaker 1: It said, O, t okay, you know you know what
Speaker 1: I say. If Zack Martin is there at the twenty
Speaker 1: sixth pick in the first round. Take Zach Martin. Hello,
Speaker 1: best player available, that's right. Best. I think it has
Speaker 1: a lot to do with the quality of the player
Speaker 1: across the board. That's where the mistakes are made when
Speaker 1: you take a defensive end because I got to get
Speaker 1: a defensive end. Bags is very judgmental. That's his problem. No,
Speaker 1: here's the deal. They didn't go into the draft thinking
Speaker 1: they were gonna take Zack Martin, right. They wanted the
Speaker 1: linebacker Ryan and Pittsburgh took him the point at the
Speaker 1: pick before him, and they basically said, uh, we're not
Speaker 1: taking the knucklehead quarterback from A and M. You know,
Speaker 1: we'll just take a guard. And everybody was up in arms.
Speaker 1: Right if you remember Everson, were you up in arms?
Speaker 1: They didn't take Johnny Man's up in arms? I could
Speaker 1: not believe it. I don't even know he's talking about.
Speaker 1: He weighs. He now no one cares. He's tried every
Speaker 1: possible league that below the NFL. Right, and he steals
Speaker 1: all right, we speaking at quarterbacks. Where would you like
Speaker 1: to take a quarterback in this draft or would you
Speaker 1: like to Well, if I take one, he's got to
Speaker 1: be better than Will Greer. So fifth round, sixth round,
Speaker 1: somewhere there, third day, so you would not. But he's
Speaker 1: got to be better than Will Greer. You know that.
Speaker 1: That's a that's a that's a that's a wide bar
Speaker 1: spad because Will Greer could be if amazing at one
Speaker 1: moment and they just be amazingly bad another moment. So
Speaker 1: if I'm taking a quarterback, I'm taking I'm one. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take a quarterback who within two to three years
Speaker 1: is better than Cooper Rush. Yeah, but I know your point.
Speaker 1: You you're taking a quarterback, it's gonna be on your
Speaker 1: your fifty three man roster. So he's gonna be ahead
Speaker 1: of Will Greer. Yes, absolutely, that's right. I got I
Speaker 1: gotta vote he's better than Cooper Run. I got a
Speaker 1: quarterback that the mid mid round quarterback that I like,
Speaker 1: I'm intrigued by out of Hebrew in high school and
Speaker 1: the University of Houston named Clayton Tune. Take a look
Speaker 1: at him before. Oh no, I've seen him play. Okay,
Speaker 1: So what do you think of clay Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: he's awfully good stout. Now it's gonna be interesting CEO.
Speaker 1: Now he's visiting like seven or eight teams reportedly, and
Speaker 1: so he may be long gone before cowboys would be interested.
Speaker 1: And maybe I don't know, we'll see he's gone third
Speaker 1: round fifteen. If you got seven or eight teams looking
Speaker 1: at him, he could be Yeah, that's a little high. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if it's high for him right,
Speaker 1: high for the cowboy exactly. That's I know what you're saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, I've been told, I've been told. We got
Speaker 1: to get out of here. I want to say something.
Speaker 1: This month is autism month, right, have a nephew that's artistic.
Speaker 1: So yesterday we couldn't find anywhere to have a picnic.
Speaker 1: H White White Lake was crazy. So we went to
Speaker 1: Hamilton Park we grew up. Oh man, it was so cool.
Speaker 1: We went all the way back down there and just
Speaker 1: just like it used to be, you know where I
Speaker 1: learned to play tennis with my sister and all that. Well. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we h had all these shirts on that I'm wearing now.
Speaker 1: I took a picture of it so you could kind
Speaker 1: of see it better. I guess here says we were
Speaker 1: blue for Crew. Crew was two years old. He's artistic,
Speaker 1: he's got great parents. My nephew Jordan and his his
Speaker 1: his white feel they are they're they're right. They said
Speaker 1: we were blue for crew artistic awareness except understand and love,
Speaker 1: and that's what they give that kid every day. Such
Speaker 1: a cool young man. Uh Okay, he's two years old
Speaker 1: and he's doing just fine. But you gotta keep up
Speaker 1: with him. You gotta keep up with him. So we
Speaker 1: had a good time with all the kids down there,
Speaker 1: and really the whole family back at Hamilton Park. We'll
Speaker 1: all beginning, all right, very cool. I wanted to just
Speaker 1: let my my nephew and my niece know that I
Speaker 1: was gonna do this for them, and so yeah, it
Speaker 1: all right, saying let me get that. He's gonna love
Speaker 1: his uncle Everson, right, Huh, Uncle Everson's gonna love him.
Speaker 1: That's right, all right, Mickey. Hopefully you'll be back in
Speaker 1: studio next Monday. You'll see my beautiful face next Monday. Okay,
Speaker 1: be aware of that, and we will see you coming
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