1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: and Mild from Aaron Minky. Listener discretion is advised. What 3 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: role does music play in influencing paranormal activity? Not just music, 4 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: but a vivacious social scene or bar. I've experimented with 5 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: this actually years ago. While investigating a bar, we were 6 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: told that after hours, particularly on nights where Live's music 7 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: had been played in the venue, were always the most 8 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: active times ghost Twice we experimented with that. We invited 9 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: a Lives band to play during the investigation, and during 10 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 1: their set we ran all sorts of equipment and kept 11 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: tabs on our surroundings. Sure enough, we captured anomalies and activity. 12 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: Perhaps most telling, once the band had packed up and 13 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: left and we returned to the room to investigate, the 14 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: jukebox turned off by itself, and the credit card machines 15 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: started spitting out blank receipt paper for no reason. Imagine 16 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: working under those circumstances every night. Needless to say, my 17 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: interest in this phenomenon was peaud and there's perhaps no 18 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 1: better place to explore such a theory than Bobby Mackie's 19 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: Music World. I'm Amy Bruney, and this is Haunted Road. Wilder, Kentucky, 20 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: sits just across the Ohio River from Cincinnati. The small 21 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: town of about three thousand people has only been formally 22 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 1: incorporated for about ninety years. Before that, it was part 23 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: of a nearby town called Newport. In the eighteenth century, 24 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: Newport was known for its crime, and in particular for 25 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: its ties to organized crime. This was a region that 26 00:01:54,720 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: upstanding citizens avoided because it promised trouble. These days, if 27 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: motorists pull off of the four lane Licking Road and Wilder, 28 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: they'll see what looks like an abandoned shack. It has 29 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: a false brick front, while the other three walls are white, 30 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: sighting train tracks cut behind it with the Licking River 31 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: behind them. The structure is dark, windowless, and doesn't even 32 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: have a paved parking lot. Visitors can park in the 33 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: patch of white gravel off to the side. But in 34 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: spite of its ominous appearance, this business called Bobby Mackie's 35 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: Music World is still in operation. If you're brave enough 36 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: to enter. The interior decor hints at its colorful past. 37 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: A dive bar with pool tables and a mechanical bowl 38 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: operates alongside a gift shop The black floor features a 39 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: faded logo for the Latin Quarter, a former nightclub that 40 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: used to operate in this building. Dim lights barely illuminate 41 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: the red and black ceiling or the sign behind the 42 00:02:55,040 --> 00:03:00,080 Speaker 1: small stage that reads America's honky Tonk. The basement is 43 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: even more eerie. Visitors have to walk over plywood walkways 44 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: that stretch across crumbling, broken concrete flooring. The walls are 45 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: wooden planks dotted with bullet holes. In a back corner, 46 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: behind wooden barriers, an eighteen inch tall stone circular structure 47 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: rises from the floor. This is an old well, but 48 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: it's anyone's guess exactly how old it is. Some rumors 49 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 1: suggest it dates to at least eighteen ninety seven, when 50 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: it offered water to the community. Others suggest it's from 51 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: the mid nineteenth century. Rumors say the building used to 52 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: be a slaughter house and the cistern collected blood from 53 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: butchered animals, and some less colorful speculation, like that of 54 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: Dan Smith riding for Haunted America, says the well was 55 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: part of a tunnel system that captured and directed water 56 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: from the nearby Licking River. Asher Albine of the Bitter 57 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: Southerner wrote that there are many rumors that Satanists once 58 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: use the well in some kind of ritual sacrifice. Albeing 59 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: also noted that the gossip is almost certainly untrue, but 60 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: that hasn't stopped even wilder stories from flying, including one 61 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: claim that the well isn't opening into hell. And the 62 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: signs and advertisements throughout Bobby Mackie's Music World demonstrate that 63 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: the current owners have embraced their haunted reputation. Before anyone 64 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: can even set foot inside, they'll spot an outdoor sign 65 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: that says Bobby Mackie's another right underneath it announces that 66 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: visitors can book two hour ghost tours, and inside postings 67 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: feature language like this establishment is reported to be haunted. 68 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: Management is not responsible and cannot be held liable for 69 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: any actions of any ghost spirits on these premises. For 70 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: all the bars ghostly marketing, The region's eerie reputation predates 71 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: Bobby Mackie's by about a century. In January eighteen ninety six, 72 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: a twenty three year old woman named Pearl Brian arrived 73 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: in Newport, Kentucky. A few of her friends or family 74 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: members knew the real reason she left her home in 75 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: Greencastle Indiana. She told them she was visiting a friend, 76 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 1: but in reality, she was about five months pregnant. It's 77 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: believed she was seeking an illegal abortion, or, as suggested 78 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: in Eric Burnsey's article with the banner graphic, she was 79 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: tracking down the birth father to demand he marry her. 80 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: Whatever her plan, it didn't work out. Soon after her 81 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: arrival on February first, Pearl was found dead in an orchard. 82 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: The ground around her corpse was soaked in blood, and 83 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: her head was missing. Given the sheer amount of blood, 84 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 1: coroners speculated that she was still living when her murderer 85 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: decapitated her. Understandably, any gruesome story like this will draw attention, 86 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: and Pearl Brian's murder was splashed across newspapers. The police 87 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: worked quickly, and their investigation eventually led them to two men, 88 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: Scott Jackson and his roommate Alonzo Walling. Scott was believed 89 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: to be Pearl's lover, and he was enrolled in a 90 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: dental school in nearby Cincinnati. It would have been relatively 91 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: easy for him to travel across the river to kill 92 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: Pearl and dump her body. When police questioned Scott, he 93 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: claimed he was helping Pearl secure an abortion as a 94 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: favor for a friend the baby's actual father. As Robert 95 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: Wilhelm recorded on the Murder by Gaslight web page The 96 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: Mysteries of Pearl Brian, Scott claimed his roommate Alonzo was 97 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: supposed to help get Pearl to and from the abortion appointment. 98 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: Scott claimed Alonzo killed Pearl when the procedure went wrong. Alonso, 99 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: in turn, suggested Scott always meant to murder Pearl rather 100 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: than get her medical treatment. Each suspect protested his innocence 101 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: while incriminating the other, but the hard evidence didn't look 102 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: good for either accused man. Both Alonzo and Scott were 103 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: seen with Pearl the night of her murder, and, according 104 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: to one horse cab driver, men fitting their descriptions escorted 105 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: a clearly unwell woman across the river from Ohio to Kentucky. 106 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,679 Speaker 1: A bartender also assured the police he saw Scott drug 107 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: Pearls drink that evening. Albert Vinton Stegmann Junior reported a 108 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: particularly disturbing detail on a web page titled Pearl Brian Murder. 109 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: He writes that during the night, Scott and Alonso went 110 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: into a tavern carrying a red leather valus that had 111 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: once belonged to Pearl. They asked the bartender to hold 112 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: onto the item for them, and when he picked it up, 113 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: he was surprised at how heavy it was. He speculated 114 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: that the bag held a bowling ball, but later, when 115 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: police found the vallas stained with blood, they suspected it 116 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: actually held Pearl's head. It's not clear what became of 117 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: her head after that, because it was never recovered. Some 118 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: speculate the killer tossed it into the Ohio River or 119 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: burned it in a furnace at the dental school, but 120 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: another popular theory is that he threw it down a well, 121 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: the same well that now sits in Bobby Mackie's Music 122 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: World's basement. Either way, the witness's testimony was enough for 123 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: the courts to sentence both men to death. They were 124 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: hanged together on March twentieth, eighteen ninety seven. Even on 125 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: the gallows, each man protested the execution as a miscarriage 126 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: of justice. Indianapolis's The Sunday Journal reports that just before 127 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: he was killed, Alonzo Walling declared, you are about to 128 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: take the life of an innocent man. I call upon 129 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: God to be my witness. There are also rumors which 130 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: I have not been able to verify that one or 131 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: both men warned that if they were unjustly executed, they'd 132 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 1: remain in the town as ghosts haunting their killers. Sure enough, 133 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: after the hanging, a series of strange and inexplicable disasters 134 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: struck the area. In eighteen seventy six, a distillery was 135 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 1: built on the land where Bobby Mackie's Music World stands. Now, 136 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: thirty years after it opened its doors, it caught fire. Meanwhile, 137 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: a bridge over the Licking River was constructed nearby. Before 138 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: the builders could finish their work, it collapsed, taking thirty 139 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: one lives. The string of bad luck persisted throughout the 140 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: twentieth century. Numerous pubs and clubs opened and closed on 141 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: the site. These decades were marked by barroom brawls that 142 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: turned deadly, brutal mafia hits, and fatal shootouts. I could 143 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 1: go on and on about the various murders and suicides 144 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: that struck the patrons and owners of these businesses, but 145 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: in the interest of time, let's move ahead to April 146 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight, That is when Linda and the eponymous 147 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: Bobby Mackie bought the bar. Bobby was a musician and 148 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: may have wanted to open a venue for country performers, 149 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: but it didn't take long for disaster to strike yet again. 150 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: Bobby and Linda were mid renovation when a fire broke 151 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: out at Music World. Numerous stories in the Cincinnati Inquirer 152 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: emphasized that there was no clear cause for the blaze. 153 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: The fire pushed back Music World's opening days several months 154 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: to October twenty seventh, nineteen seventy eight. After that, the 155 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: bar proved to be such a success, Bobby tried opening 156 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: another establishment just next door, but the land he purchased 157 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety two suddenly ripped apart as a two 158 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: hundred foot chasm appeared out of nowhere. For context, that's 159 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: the length of a twenty story building, and it was 160 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: determined that Bobby couldn't possibly build there. Five more years 161 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: passed and another fire struck the original bar. This time 162 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: the cause was clear. A customer set the structure alight 163 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: after a confrontation with a waitress about bringing in outside beer. Luckily, 164 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: no one was hurt in the blaze, but it did 165 00:10:55,800 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: reek thousands of dollars in damages. In spite of all 166 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: these omens, Bobby Mackie didn't cement its reputation as a 167 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: haunted location until the early nineties. Asher Albin wrote about 168 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: how ghost stories become a fundamental part of the bar's 169 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: identity on his page Honky Tonk Haunts on the Bitter 170 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: Southerner website. He says Bobby knew his employee Karl Lawson 171 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: often heard footsteps and got the eerie feeling he was 172 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: being watched even when he was alone. He was so 173 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: unnerved by these incidents he slept with a gun in 174 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: his bed and propped his door closed. Bobby had previously 175 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: warned Carl not to mention the eerie's supernatural encounters, as 176 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: he found them disturbing, but one night Bobby struck up 177 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 1: a conversation about them with Karl and a regular customer 178 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: and horror writer named Doug Hensley. Doug grew increasingly fascinated 179 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: and begged the two men to tell him everything about 180 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: the hauntings of Bobby Mackie's. Finally, they relented, and Doug 181 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: took careful notes on each story they told him. In 182 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one, he published their accounts in a book 183 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: titled Terror at Music World. The bestseller instantly rocketed Doug, Carl, 184 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: Bobby and the Bar to fame. The book inspired countless 185 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: new reports about spectral encounters at Music World. Carl claims 186 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: he performed an exorcism in the kitchen, which only brought 187 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: temporary relief from paranormal incidents. Other guests reported fireballs, unnatural 188 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: swarms of yellow jackets and bats, and, as Douglas Hensley 189 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: wrote in Hell's Gates, Terror at Bobby Mackie's Music World, 190 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: the ceilings are said to bleed onto the walls. These 191 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: accounts even created legal trouble for Bobby. In nineteen ninety three, 192 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: one of his customers sued him on the grounds that 193 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: a ghost had attacked him in the bathroom. The bar's 194 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: lawyer didn't take the claim seriously. His motion to dismiss 195 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: was written in rhyming couplets. The final line declared the 196 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: plaintiff can always pursue his torte upon his death. In 197 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: a higher court. A judge dismissed the lawsuit before it 198 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 1: could go to trial. Now we can debate how many 199 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: of these reports are true and how much of it 200 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 1: is savvy marketing. But even if Bobby and Carl exaggerated 201 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: some of the bar's history, there are numerous verified sightings 202 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: within its walls. Reports suggest the jukebox often plays the 203 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: anniversary song even when it's unplugged and off. Strangest of all, 204 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: the anniversary song was never programmed into it as a selection, 205 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: and some unseen presence has a tendency to toss bottles 206 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: across the room and knock furniture over. Some visitors have 207 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: spotted a specter they believe is a former owner named 208 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: Buck Brady. He briefly operated the bar, then called the 209 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: Primrose Country Club in later the Latin Quarter, until the 210 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: mafia wrested control from him. It said he cursed the 211 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: establishment before later taking his own life. Now, a figure 212 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: that looks exactly like his old photographs remains at Music World. 213 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: The Cincinnati Post also features descriptions of a figure that 214 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: appears to be half man and half goat stalking the premises. 215 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: Of course, many narratives feature the three doomed souls who 216 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: kicked off the many disasters in Newport and the surrounding area, 217 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: Pearl Brian, and the two men who were convicted of 218 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: killing her. Many visitors have seen her headless ghost wandering 219 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: through Music World, both the bar itself and the basement. 220 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: A psychic also claims to have made contact with her spirit. 221 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: It's possible that Bobby Mackie's wife, Janet had an ominous 222 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: encounter with Pearl when she was reportedly five months pregnant. 223 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: As she was on the stairs, unseen hands pushed her. 224 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: It said. The fall may have made her give birth prematurely. 225 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: Janet never identified the spirit, but it's hard to ignore 226 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: the parallels between the two two women who were both 227 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: at the same stage of their pregnancy. Janet suffered through 228 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: other aggressive incidents too. Elbin reports that Janet complained of 229 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: hostile energies at Music World, and she said a spirit 230 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: pushed her against a sink that seemed to be filling 231 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: with blood. All these encounters were enough that Janet eventually 232 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: refused to go inside of Music World. She never reversed 233 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: her stance up until her two thousand and nine death. 234 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: Guests have also interacted with Scott Jackson and Alonzo Walling, 235 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: who were executed for Pearl's murder. Employee Carl Lawson claims 236 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: that he has seen the image of a scaffold with 237 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: bodies hanging from it in the basement. In the Richmond Register, 238 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: Taylor six writes of an apparition with a handlebar mustache 239 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: who appears in the men's bathroom. The spirit repeats die Game, 240 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:55,239 Speaker 1: Die Game, which is Latin four dying Well. Alonzo's girlfriend 241 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: wrote those exact words to him before he was executed. 242 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: These days, accounts of the hauntings at Bobby Mackie's Music 243 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: World feature a blend of rumor, exaggeration, and frightening truth. 244 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: It's undeniable that Bobby Mackie and the other staff are 245 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: benefiting from the bar's haunted reputation. It brings free publicity 246 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: and tourists. But this makes it tricky to cut through 247 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: the various accounts and learn which are true and which 248 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: our fiction to draw in the curious and thrill seekers. 249 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: Up next, we will talk to the delightful Laura Roland. 250 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: She and her team actually head up the tours and 251 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: investigation at Bobby Mackie's Music World. She's the perfect person 252 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: to talk to sift through loare and reality. She's coming 253 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: up after the break, all right, So I am now 254 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: joined by Laura Roland who is with Gatekeeper Paranormal and 255 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: they are the team that kind of over sees the 256 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: tours and the paranormal investigations at Bobby Mackie's, and she's 257 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 1: been there for quite some time and she's got some 258 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: really great stories. So thanks for joining, Laura, appreciate it. 259 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 2: Oh, thank you for having me. 260 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: I have to say right off the bat, like this 261 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: is one of Bobby Mackie's is one of those places 262 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: that people ask me about constantly, and I have investigated there. 263 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: It was many years ago. I investigated there with ghost 264 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: hunters and it was a very interesting investigation. I did 265 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:33,239 Speaker 1: not ride the mechanical bowl, but it was it was 266 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. So why do you think that 267 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: kind of stigma exists with that building? Why do you 268 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: think people are just so eager to investigate it and 269 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 1: to know more about it? 270 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 2: Well, I think there are as many people interested to 271 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 2: investigate it as there are people who are absolutely terrified 272 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 2: to go there. And I think both of those groups 273 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 2: of people are intrigued by the whole story that Carl 274 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 2: started with the demonic activity there and his exorcism. I 275 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 2: think that has either terrified people or made them more 276 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 2: interested to come. 277 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: Now, can you kind of go into that What is 278 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: that story exactly? 279 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 2: Well, Carl was the caretaker there. He was a good 280 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 2: friend of Bobby and Bobby's wife, Janet, and he worked 281 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 2: for him for many, many years, and he eventually moved 282 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 2: into an apartment upstairs and he lived up there for 283 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 2: thirteen years. And during the time that he lived there, 284 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 2: he claimed that he was constantly, I guess, harassed by 285 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 2: entities in the building and it got so bad for 286 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 2: him that he felt like they were trying to take 287 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 2: over his body and his soul and he needed to 288 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 2: have a priest give him an exorcism. And then that story, 289 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 2: you know, once that happened, because he would sit at 290 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 2: the bar every night and tell anybody that would listen, 291 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 2: he would tell them all the stuff that happened to him, 292 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 2: and it's just you know, this was pre internet day, 293 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 2: so this was just totally word of mouth back in 294 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: the eighties and nineties that he's telling all these stories. 295 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 2: And then the exorcism happened in the early nineties, and 296 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 2: I think at that point everything just took off from there. 297 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, I as someone who has investigated there, 298 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: you know, I unfortunately did not have a ton happened. 299 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: But see, this was I was investigating there with ghost Hunters, 300 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 1: which back then that TV show was there were like seven, 301 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: sometimes eight of us, and we would go in like 302 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 1: two at a time, and so sometimes there'd be nights 303 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: where like I would only get to investigate a place 304 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: for like an hour or so, and Bobby Mackie's was 305 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 1: one of those places where I did not get to 306 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: be in there as much as I wanted to. But 307 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: I do remember distinctly we caught at one point the 308 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: sound of it sounded almost like it was like a 309 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 1: dog or like some sort of growling dog in the 310 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: bar area, and there's clearly no dogs in the bar, 311 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: but that was the one the one thing that happened 312 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: to me. I did. There was also was quite a 313 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: ruckus in the basement at one point, and I went 314 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 1: down there and discovered a family of raccoons. 315 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 2: So, oh my god, they're probably still there. 316 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: I bet they are. They probably remember me if I 317 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: showed up. So but it is like you were saying, 318 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: people don't ask me have you investigated Bobby Mackie's. They 319 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: asked me, would you investigate Bobby Mackie's, you know, And 320 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: there's a big difference there, and so that kind of 321 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: puts it into perspective, you know, people, It does have 322 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: that kind of really spooky beginning for people. But what 323 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: kind of activity do people experience there on the regular. 324 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 2: The two most common things that happen are shadow figures 325 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 2: and disembodied voices. I'd say those are the most common. 326 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 2: I see shadow figures. I mean I've been there for 327 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 2: ten years, so, like you're talking about with the show, 328 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 2: you guys are only there for a short period of time, 329 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 2: so sometimes you might not get anything right. But over 330 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 2: the course of ten years, where I've been there at 331 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 2: least couple times a week, every week, I've seen stuff. 332 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 2: And I couldn't tell you a part of that building 333 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 2: where I haven't seen a shadow figure. I mean I 334 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 2: see them all the time. In fact, last night I 335 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 2: was there for a tour and I had the lights 336 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 2: on and I was standing. I don't know if you 337 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 2: remember the layout, but I was standing kind of We're 338 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 2: in the room where Carl's exorcism was right in front 339 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,959 Speaker 2: of that, so I could see through the bar and 340 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 2: like into where the gift shop is, and the lights 341 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 2: were on, and all of a sudden, this dark figure 342 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 2: almost ran right past that doorway where the gift shop is. 343 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 2: I mean it scared me to death. I thought there 344 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 2: was a person in the building. I thought I hadn't 345 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 2: locked the door because this thing moved so fast, and 346 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 2: I kind of jumped back. I'm like, oh my god. 347 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 2: And the people on the tour, you know, sometimes I 348 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 2: wonder if they believe me or if they think I'm 349 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 2: just facan, But I absolutely was not. A figure ran 350 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 2: past there, and that was unusual because usually the shadow 351 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 2: figures just kind of lurk and move around real slowly. 352 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 2: This one was on a mission and he was running. Yeah. 353 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 1: Now, so who do you think that is? Who do 354 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: you think is responsible for that? 355 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 2: I have no idea, Honestly. I've always thought that Mackie's 356 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 2: is almost like a like a bus station in a way, 357 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 2: like there are a lot of transients I think that 358 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 2: go through there. The only two that I know of 359 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 2: that have actually said their names, either on people's recordings 360 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 2: or through spirit boxes are two guys. One of them 361 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 2: killed the other one in the men's bathroom back in 362 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 2: nineteen forty three. The guy that died. His name was 363 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 2: Paul Goodhue, and he has come through many times on 364 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 2: people's recordings saying his name and everything, because you know, 365 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 2: you don't usually get names all that often, at least 366 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 2: I don't, and not that clearly anyway. But aside from 367 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,360 Speaker 2: those two, I really I think most of the spirits 368 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 2: there are just either just passing through or they're just 369 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 2: residuals that are always there. 370 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 1: I think that's interesting, And you know, I talk about 371 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: that a lot, especially with some of these places that 372 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: seem to be more actively haunted. How it's not always 373 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: just easy to pinpoint it down to one ghost or 374 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: one person that it does seem to be this Sometimes 375 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 1: they're kind of almost this way station, or maybe it's 376 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: a place they had fond memories or you know, or 377 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 1: maybe they just like you said, they they're passing through, 378 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: or they notice that people are looking for people like 379 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 1: them there and they're like, oh, I could probably talk 380 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: to someone here, you know. 381 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 2: Now. 382 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 1: So when you saw that shadow, I think that's so 383 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: interesting that it was moving so quickly. I've seen that 384 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 1: happen a few times myself. I always find when I'm 385 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 1: running a tour of some sort, if I'm like hosting 386 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: an investigation or teaching a class, you know, you're looking 387 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: towards the group, and then so many times things happen 388 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: behind them and you're watching it or you see it 389 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: and they don't exactly do you think that the spirits 390 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,719 Speaker 1: there know that they're messing with you in some way? 391 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 2: I thought of it that way, but like they could 392 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 2: be trying to make me look stupid, like you know 393 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 2: that I'm jumping at something that startled me and and 394 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 2: the group is like, what in the world just happened? 395 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just I feel like that it's 396 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: just one of those things, like it happens to me 397 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: all the time. And I also wonder too sometimes as 398 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: someone who's in those places salater, as someone who's hosting 399 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: a tour, you might just be so familiar with the 400 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,959 Speaker 1: activity that you can spot it quicker, and you know, 401 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. It's just something to think 402 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: about it. I always wonder like, as we subject ourselves 403 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: to these things more and more, you know, what is 404 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: it that we're seeing? And a lot of people aren't 405 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: seeing just yet. But so Bobby Mackie's is open, obviously, 406 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: there's bands and bars and music and so have you 407 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: ever seen paranormal activity, like when it's really busy and 408 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: there has something strange happening where you're like, that's not 409 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: a live person, or have heard stories along those lines. 410 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 2: Well, personally, I'm not usually there when the bar's open 411 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 2: because we only do our tours when the bar's closed, right, 412 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 2: So I haven't personally seen any thing happened when the 413 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 2: bar's open, but I have heard stories. They mostly involved 414 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 2: the bathroom and things happening to people when they're in 415 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 2: the bathroom. But you also have to remember these people 416 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 2: are likely drink in a little bit, and you know, 417 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 2: and but you know, I always think that could go 418 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 2: either way, Like you're either drinking and then you're just 419 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 2: seeing things that aren't there. But on the other hand, 420 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 2: maybe you're drinking and you are kind of a little 421 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 2: more open, you know, and the spirits might take advantage 422 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 2: of that. So but I think a lot of times 423 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 2: the day after, like on a Sunday, when the bar's 424 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 2: been open on Friday and Saturday, A lot of times 425 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 2: Sundays have a lot of energy in that building, I 426 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 2: think from all the people and especially if like maybe 427 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 2: there's fights or something. You know, people get in fights 428 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 2: sometimes all that energy I think builds up over the 429 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 2: weekend and Sundays are sometimes pretty active. 430 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 3: You know. 431 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: That was going to be my next question was that 432 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: after bands play and they have a particularly rowdy night, 433 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: if that impacts the activity at all. Do you guys 434 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 1: ever go in like direly after the bar closing or 435 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 1: do you go on like off nights. 436 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 2: No, because they're there till three am and that's what'll 437 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 2: past my bedtime. So we're usually there on almost every 438 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 2: Sunday we have tours. 439 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: And so I'm assuming that the activity does not care 440 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: whether it's day or night. 441 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely not. I've had some of the amazing experiences 442 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 2: that I've ever had there been in the middle of 443 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 2: the afternoon, So I don't think they know or care 444 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 2: what time it is. 445 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: What would you say has been your most kind of 446 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 1: powerful experience that you've had there? 447 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 2: I've had again, it involves shadow figures. And this just 448 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 2: happened over the summer. I was in the basement in 449 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 2: the well room, you know where the well is, that 450 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 2: old house, and there's a table out in the hallway, 451 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 2: and it was afternoon, well it was early evening, but 452 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 2: there was light coming in so you could still see. 453 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 2: It wasn't pitch black, and I could see under the 454 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,959 Speaker 2: table that's in the hallway, and there was this black 455 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 2: shape and at first you know you're talking about raccoons. 456 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 2: I thought it could have been an animal, but it 457 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,959 Speaker 2: was pretty big. It was like dog sized, but it 458 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,239 Speaker 2: was It looked like somebody was sitting there, hugging their 459 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 2: knees and kind of rocking back and forth. And I 460 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 2: stared at it for several minutes because my mind was 461 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 2: trying to figure out what it was and I didn't 462 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 2: want to startle my group that there was some wild 463 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 2: animal in the building. So I was just staring at it, 464 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, This sounds crazy, but I 465 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 2: swear it stopped rocking and looked at me like and 466 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 2: you know, you always have that feeling in your head 467 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 2: like am I really seeing this or am I imagining 468 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 2: that it's looking at me? But I swear it stopped 469 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,479 Speaker 2: rocking and turn and looked at me, and then just 470 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 2: took off out from under the table. That was another 471 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 2: fast mover, and it just took off. 472 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: That's pretty wild. I wonder if if he she and 473 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: I don't know notice that. I know you were noticing 474 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: it and went, oh, wait, she can see me, you know. 475 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, That's what it felt like to me because I 476 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 2: was staring at it so intently, trying to make my 477 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 2: eyes focus and figure out if that was you know, 478 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,719 Speaker 2: an animal or you know, I didn't know what it was, 479 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 2: but yeah, that was one of my favorites and most 480 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 2: recent ones. 481 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: Now when people come out on the tours or they 482 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: come in to investigate and whatnot, like, have you had 483 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: people that just have had enough and like have to leave? Oh? 484 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I've had people get touched, scratched, whispers in 485 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 2: their ear, and then they just get freaked out and 486 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 2: they're like, no, I'm done. I'm going to sit in 487 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 2: the car while the rest of the people finish the tour. 488 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: And how do you feel about the well? Do you 489 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: think there is something to the well that there's some 490 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: sort of energy about it. I mean, people talk. 491 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 2: About the well all the time, they do, and I 492 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 2: mean that room is one of my favorite rooms to investigate. 493 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 2: I do feel like there's a lot of energy there. 494 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 2: But I don't know if I'm qualified to say that. 495 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 2: I think that that's like a portal, because I feel 496 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 2: like the whole building is a portal, because you know, 497 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 2: stuff happens everywhere. But I mean, it's just a hole 498 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 2: in the ground. It's just a tunnel that goes out 499 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 2: to the licking river behind the building. I don't see 500 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 2: any reason, you know why it would be that specific 501 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 2: area that's some sort of portal, But I mean again, 502 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 2: it could be I don't know. 503 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the area does have a really interesting history, 504 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: of course, and like you stated, like there was definitely 505 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: someone who died in the bathroom at one point. You know, 506 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: it's been and I find that the energy and venues, 507 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: particularly like theaters and musical venues, like there is an 508 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: energy there that might not necessarily even be having to 509 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: do with death, or it's just that you people are feeling, 510 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: they're really feeling something. You know, you have performers that 511 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: are really giving it their all, and then you have 512 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: people just having sometimes some of the best nights of 513 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: their lives, sometimes the worst nights of their lives. And 514 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: that energy, I feel like, over so many years of existence, 515 00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: can affect the paranormal activity there or maybe even create it. 516 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: Do you feel like that might have something to do 517 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: with why Bobby Mackie's is so active? 518 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I've said something along those lines on tours 519 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 2: many times, just about the energy that's been in the 520 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 2: building for so many years, because you have to before 521 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 2: Bobby was even there, you know, it was a mob 522 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 2: owned nightclub, called the Latin Quarter, and before that it 523 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 2: was the Primrose and it was during the Primrose days 524 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 2: that the guy got killed in the bathroom. But the 525 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 2: whole mob activity that might have gone on there, I mean, 526 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 2: who knows what they did, especially down in the basement. 527 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 2: There's bullet holes in a door down in the basement, 528 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 2: and the mob you just don't know what they're gonna 529 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 2: do if they you know, they might have killed someone 530 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 2: in the basement and we don't even know about it 531 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 2: because they didn't like keep records of that kind of stuff, right. 532 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: So there's no there's no mob record book anywhere unfortunately. 533 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: But you know, and that's actually so I think that 534 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: sometimes with those kind of instances, because I've investigated many 535 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: places where like tragedies and tragic crimes have happened that 536 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: really no one ever had to answer for. And I 537 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: kind of feel like sometimes those spirits are especially just 538 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,239 Speaker 1: really trying to get through to you because you know, 539 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: they want people to know what happened to them, because 540 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: you know, many times they just kind of disappeared, And 541 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: so that might have something to do with it, especially 542 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: when you have people going in there on the right, 543 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: on the writing out and asking questions. So do you 544 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: do you ever feel that kind of desperate energy, like 545 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: there are spirits that are really trying to get through 546 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: to people in that building. 547 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 2: Well, I always think about because I mentioned people getting 548 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 2: scared when they get scratched, and you know, there's so 549 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 2: much I don't know, drama over people being scratched. But 550 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 2: I don't necessarily think that's something evil. A lot of 551 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 2: times I think they're just desperately trying to get someone's attention. 552 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 2: And maybe that's you know, a little too aggressive, but 553 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 2: that's how they're trying to get someone's attention to tell 554 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 2: them something. But yeah, I think especially in the basement 555 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 2: because like I said, we don't know what went on 556 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 2: down there back in the forties and fifties. Sometimes we 557 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 2: get some interesting responses on EVPs and through the spirit 558 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 2: boxes about people wanting you know, like they'll we'll ask 559 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 2: them if they if they were murdered and or if 560 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 2: they know how they died, And a lot of times 561 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 2: we get responses to where it sounds like they're wanting 562 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 2: some help with figuring out or at least someone being 563 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 2: held responsible for what happened to them. 564 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I feel the same way about scratches. 565 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: I try to kind of illustrate that to people sometimes. 566 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: You know, if you think about if you're in a 567 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: situation where you're completely desperate, you are not even sure 568 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: people can hear you. I mean, I'm just I'm speculating 569 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: what a spirit experience is. But you know, if they're 570 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: in a situation where they are desperately trying to get 571 00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: through and they're trying to you know, communicate in some way, 572 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: and that they see people around them, they hear people, 573 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: they're not here, you know, they're not responding to you, 574 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: and you find that you can do this thing where 575 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: they can feel you, and like that that might be 576 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: the one thing like oh they can feel they can 577 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: feel me if I do this and like you scratch them, 578 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: you know, trying to get their attention. People ask me 579 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: about that, like you were saying a lot, because they 580 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: just assume it's like some sort of like a demonic 581 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: entity or something, and I'm like, no, like put yourself 582 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: there for a minute. Unless they're aggressively trying to harm you. 583 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: It could be someone just really trying to get your attention. 584 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: And so I you know, I do try to tell 585 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: people or investing when we're investigating that. There are some 586 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: locations that are kind of more notorious for that than others, 587 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: and so I'm glad that you give them that outlook 588 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: when they go in there. 589 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I've also had and most of the scratching 590 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 2: happens in the same place. It usually happens in the 591 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 2: well room or in the jail cell that's in the 592 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 2: well room. And so, you know, they used to lock 593 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 2: people in that jail cell. It's not really jail cell. 594 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 2: It's just like a little stone room. I don't know 595 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 2: if you remember seeing it in the well room. It's 596 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 2: just a little stone room. 597 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,399 Speaker 1: I think raccoons at that point. 598 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,399 Speaker 3: But oh, okay, they used to lock people in there 599 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 3: until they figured out, you know, how they were going 600 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,359 Speaker 3: to deal with them, like whether they're going to beat 601 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 3: them up or kill them or throw them in the river, 602 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,359 Speaker 3: you know, so they would lock them up in there. 603 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 2: And that's where a lot of people experience scratching, is 604 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 2: when they're sitting in that what we call jail cell. 605 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 2: So it could be that people, you know, maybe the 606 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 2: spirit of someone that is trapped in there and they're 607 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 2: scared and they're just trying to reach out for someone 608 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 2: to help them. 609 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you feel fine when you're in that place 610 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: by yourself? Do you feel safe that? Like? Do you 611 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: feel good? 612 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:50,240 Speaker 2: Well, my answer to that question will probably answer your question. 613 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 2: I don't often go in there by myself, so I 614 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 2: used to, but sometimes and sometimes it's fine, I'll be honest. 615 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 2: Sometimes it's fine and it's just like any old building. 616 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 2: But there are other times where you walk in there 617 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 2: and you automatically feel this heaviness, like something doesn't want 618 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 2: me in here. And I've had that happen. So now 619 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 2: I just wait for my tour group outside because I 620 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 2: don't I don't like feeling like that. I don't like 621 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 2: feeling like they don't want me there, or that you know, 622 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,399 Speaker 2: they're angry, maybe that we're coming to bother them again, 623 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 2: because you know, you're just sitting there, minding your business 624 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 2: and then all these people come in saying is there 625 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 2: anybody here? Can you hear me? You know? 626 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: Yeah? That's actually that that makes a lot of sense. 627 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 1: And now do you do you try to kind of 628 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,479 Speaker 1: guide people when you bring them in, like, hey, try 629 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: to think outside the box. Don't ask the same questions 630 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: over and over again. 631 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I I you know, ask them something 632 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 2: for like, you know, what's your favorite food, what's your 633 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 2: favorite drink, or you know anything, but other than you know, 634 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 2: can you knock three times? 635 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:51,839 Speaker 1: You know right? 636 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 2: You're dead? 637 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I know. I try to tell people 638 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: to get really inventive with the conversation or draw and 639 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,720 Speaker 1: like events from the time, that kind of thing. But 640 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: but it's nice to hear that, you know, you kind 641 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 1: of go in in a respectful fashion. But but yeah, 642 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: I can imagine like for them with groups coming in, 643 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes they might get a little a little aggravated. 644 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, but it's nice to be cognizant of that, 645 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: you know, be respectful. And so you the basement in particular, 646 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: it sounds like that is a spot that's kind of 647 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,240 Speaker 1: like a hot spot for you. Is there anywhere else 648 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 1: that you feel like might be underrated as far as 649 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:34,800 Speaker 1: activity goes in the building? 650 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,759 Speaker 2: Well, actually the main floor, because you know, last night 651 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 2: when I had that shadow figure run the whole time 652 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 2: I was up, which about an hour I was up 653 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,720 Speaker 2: on that main level, I was very uneasy because something 654 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 2: about that just really you know, startled me and I 655 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 2: just felt really uneasy. And then sometimes you go in 656 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 2: the basement where everybody thinks, you know, the demons are 657 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,720 Speaker 2: hanging out, and it's just it's completely quiet and calm 658 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 2: down there, but upstairs, you know, it's really you know, 659 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 2: heavy and intense. So you know, a lot of people 660 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 2: just want to go to the basement and you know, 661 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 2: because that's what they hear about all the time, is 662 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 2: the well and you know all of that going on, 663 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,760 Speaker 2: but a lot of times upstairs on the main level 664 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 2: is way more active. 665 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,399 Speaker 1: Well yeah, and I'm sure they move around too. Oh yeah, 666 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: So well that's I mean, that's that's good to know. 667 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I think also you might I tell people 668 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 1: this too, Like when you're around a live person in 669 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 1: front of you, you can feel that vibe that they're 670 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 1: giving off. So it makes me think that maybe the 671 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,359 Speaker 1: energy around some of these spirits, like you can feel them. 672 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 1: You're like, oh, someone's here is not very happy, and 673 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: then next thing you know, you see a shadow running 674 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,719 Speaker 1: across the room. You know. Yeah, so you probably are 675 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: pretty in tune there, maybe more so than others, just 676 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 1: because you're there so often. So if people want to visit, 677 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 1: if people want to go on a tour, what do 678 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: they have to do? 679 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 2: Well, there's two options. Most people find it easier to 680 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 2: just go to Bobby Macki's website because it's easy Bobby 681 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 2: Mai dot com and there's a link on there that 682 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,839 Speaker 2: says paranormal and if they click on that, it'll take 683 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,399 Speaker 2: them right to our page to book a tour, or 684 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 2: they can go to Gatekeeper Paranormal dot com and do 685 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 2: the same thing, book a tour online. 686 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 1: Okay, that's great. Well, I really do thank you for 687 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,919 Speaker 1: taking the time. You've been lovely and at some point 688 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to have to make it back out there 689 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: and you say hello to my friends in the basement 690 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 1: and also hopefully meet you in person. 691 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 2: So yeah, that would be awesome. 692 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: Many of the sightings and reports from Bobby Mackie's Music 693 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 1: World have a violent tinge to them, from ghostly assaults 694 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 1: to hostile energies to throw them bottles and toppling furniture. 695 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 1: It's apparent that the spirits there are angry, and with 696 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: good reason. The bar has been a silent witness to 697 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: murder many times over. Sadly, justice is elusive. We may 698 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 1: never know who killed Pearlbrian, or of the men who 699 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,359 Speaker 1: were hanged for the crime innocent, and that's before we 700 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,280 Speaker 1: get into the other tragedies and miscarriages of justice that followed. 701 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 1: At the very least, the original trio's anger seems to 702 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 1: live on, and it may persist forever. I'm Amy Bruney 703 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: and this was Haunted Road. Haunted Road is hosted and 704 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 1: written by me Amy Bruney, with additional research by Cassandra 705 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,280 Speaker 1: de Alba. 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