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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left Sets podcast.

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Speaker 1: My guest today is the one and only Aaron Neville,

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Speaker 1: who's got a brand new autobiography. Tell it like it is, Aaron,

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Speaker 1: Why a book? Why now say liked?

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Speaker 2: And why not? Well, I mean, I don't know how

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Speaker 2: many more? Yes, I figured I just do it while

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Speaker 2: I'm still got on my mind. Some of my mind anyway,

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Speaker 2: you know, was left of it.

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Speaker 1: So how did you actually write the book?

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Speaker 2: With a wonderful writer, her name is Beth Edelman, and

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Speaker 2: she told me the first things that I want this

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Speaker 2: book in your voice. And that's what he did. He

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Speaker 2: put it in my voice.

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Speaker 1: But absolutely seems that way. Okay, a couple of things.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned a number of things in your book. You

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Speaker 1: say you're retired. Tell me about being retired.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm retired. Uh. When the COVID pandemic came in

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Speaker 2: two thousand and maybe twenty, Uh, I was supposed to

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Speaker 2: go to California and Sarah to him and she don't

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Speaker 2: think I should be on the airplane six hours and

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Speaker 2: with you know, with this thing going around, because they

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Speaker 2: were taking people and taking the temperature and if they

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Speaker 2: had a fever or something. They put them in quarantine

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Speaker 2: and some of them wind up dying by theyself somewhere,

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Speaker 2: and I just, you know, I'm glad she decided me

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Speaker 2: not to go. And through the years I've and I've

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Speaker 2: been doing a little singing, but I have asthma, and

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Speaker 2: I don't have the breadth to you know, hit the

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Speaker 2: notes like I used to, Just like Lynda Rond says,

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Speaker 2: say she didn't want to cheat the people. You know,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to go out there and old though

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Speaker 2: he don't sound you know, you know I got records.

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Speaker 2: You know that's thinking to hear all they wanted me

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Speaker 2: on the record. I still call them records.

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Speaker 1: I do too. Okay, Uh do you miss it?

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Speaker 2: You know, in a little I don't miss none of

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Speaker 2: the traveling and hotels and buses and all that special airports.

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Speaker 2: I call that airport agony, especially what's going on right now.

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Speaker 2: But people are just getting stuck in airports for a week.

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Speaker 2: And I've had that done that. You know, your your

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Speaker 2: flight has been canceled and we don't know where your

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Speaker 2: luggage is.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you grew up in New Orleans, but you're living

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Speaker 1: up in New York State on a farm. That's really different.

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Speaker 1: What's it like?

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Speaker 2: It's great, it's mondful. I mean this place they have

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Speaker 2: is so beautiful, and it's like I call it in

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Speaker 2: Shanton Forest because we have all kinds of animals, bad deer,

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Speaker 2: we have fox, we have rabbits, we have all kinds

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Speaker 2: of birds and and it's just peaceful, you know. So

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Speaker 2: like we kind of cut back on the farm. But

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Speaker 2: Sarah's still making the air and level. He looks her.

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Speaker 2: She mixed with a tumor of ginger, cayenne, honey and

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Speaker 2: lemon and what else the upple side of vinegar and

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Speaker 2: something I drink every day.

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Speaker 1: Wow, it's keeping in good health. So, but living in

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Speaker 1: the city and living in the country is different. Do

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Speaker 1: you have friends you see in the country. Are you

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Speaker 1: more of a loner or you a social kind of guy?

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Speaker 1: What kind of guy are you?

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Speaker 2: I have three cats, a dog, me and Sarah, you know, so, hey,

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Speaker 2: I see the male man. I mean, you know, I

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Speaker 2: get out sometimes. It took a ride, Yester, gone for

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Speaker 2: like a few hours, get to see people. But that's

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Speaker 2: that's the enough for right now. With all the stuff

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Speaker 2: going on as well.

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Speaker 1: And you talk in the book about staying in contact

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Speaker 1: with some people by the phone. So in phone or

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Speaker 1: in email, you staying in contact with people, how much

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Speaker 2: I have a couple of few friends, like Morvin. He

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Speaker 2: and I grew up together. He's in the book. We've

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Speaker 2: done some stuff together. We talk about uh pity Pat

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Speaker 2: talk to him every day. He's got cancer and so

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Speaker 2: I try to, you know, help him field have a

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Speaker 2: feel good day, you know. And my keyboard player, Mike Goods,

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Speaker 2: we talk every day, and I talk to my kids.

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Speaker 1: And how about email? Do you use the computer?

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Speaker 2: Nah? Not really. I mean I can send the email

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Speaker 2: on my phone, you know, the computer. I'm not computer

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Speaker 2: sad at all.

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Speaker 1: Okay, most of the book is about you growing up

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Speaker 1: and all the bad activities and all the trouble you

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Speaker 1: got in. Was that conscious? You wanted to lay that

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Speaker 1: out that there's much more of that than your music career.

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Speaker 2: The thing about it, I couldn't have, you know, done

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Speaker 2: the book. What I'm telling it all, you know, I'm telling

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Speaker 2: it like it is and like it was, and that's

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Speaker 2: how it was back in those days. I was stuck

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Speaker 2: and stupid a lot of times, you know.

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Speaker 1: So tell me what it was like, you know, New

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Speaker 1: Orleans has a different legal system a lot of people

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Speaker 1: in what way, since you've traveled the world, is New

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Speaker 1: Orleans different from the rest of the country and the

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Speaker 2: New Orleans is like my brother Sarah says, that an

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Speaker 2: island that's stuck onto the United States because it's a

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Speaker 2: mixture of all kinds of different cultures. You know. They

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Speaker 2: have a Caribbean, trans Italian, Kish, and Creole, you name it,

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Speaker 2: and it's you know, you your bond with music. All

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Speaker 2: through your life there's music, and you're gonna die with music.

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Speaker 2: With the second line, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, Okay, So, uh, tell me about your family growing up.

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Speaker 1: So when what did your parents do for a living.

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Speaker 2: Well, my dad when we were kids, him and my

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Speaker 2: uncle Jolly was my mother's brother, George Landry. They were

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Speaker 2: merchant marines. They would go out on the on the ships.

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Speaker 2: A couple of times they got shot at me. One

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Speaker 2: time they almost the ship almost got sunk. And then

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Speaker 2: when when he was home, he he was a cab driver.

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Speaker 2: He worked in a furnished, a moving place. They worked

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Speaker 2: at a car place. They worked, he worked at the

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Speaker 2: boys home. He was he was a he was a trooper,

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Speaker 2: you know, and my mother. She took care of us

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Speaker 2: while they were gone, and she uh went to beauty

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Speaker 2: school while we went the project. Then she went to

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Speaker 2: nursing school so she could fix her hair and help

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Speaker 2: people in the hospital.

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Speaker 1: And how many kids in the family, Well, there.

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Speaker 2: Was six of us. There was Aunt Charles, me, Myla,

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Speaker 2: my brother Cyril, and our younger sister cook It she

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Speaker 2: died in nineteen seventy one.

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Speaker 1: And you know, if your father's out on the boat

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Speaker 1: and your mother's there and there's all those kids, how

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Speaker 1: much supervision was there or could you do whatever you wanted?

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Speaker 2: No, it wasn't that. It is a respecting you know.

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Speaker 2: My mom was the greatest. Well we would as she

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Speaker 2: would have us. Well, first it was just met Charles,

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Speaker 2: and when I was three years old, my sister came

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Speaker 2: and Syly didn come till about seven years later. So,

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Speaker 2: but my mom used to be on the floor with us,

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Speaker 2: playing games and telling reading stories and whatever my mom

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Speaker 2: should have done, she did it. You know. She always

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Speaker 2: hers still good, you know.

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Speaker 1: And were you a good student? Bad student?

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Speaker 2: I was a good student, But think about it, I

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Speaker 2: always had a song in my head, you know. So

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Speaker 2: I don't know if the teachers thought, the nuns thought

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Speaker 2: I had had the deal whatever. A lot of times

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Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, got a song going in my head.

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Speaker 1: So tell me more about you know where this was

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Speaker 1: there music in the house and you started to sing along.

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Speaker 1: How did you ultimately get interested in music admitting by

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Speaker 1: the music bug?

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Speaker 2: Well, my mother and father were big nactin cole Fans.

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Speaker 2: They had all his records and h Charles Brown and

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Speaker 2: Louis Jordan, uh Dinah Washington and and before we were born,

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Speaker 2: my mother and her brother Jolly was song and dance team.

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Speaker 2: I mean they were the best dancers in the Organs

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Speaker 2: road with Louis Prima. My grandmother wouldn't let him go

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Speaker 2: because of the Jim Crow laws. They say they wouldn't

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Speaker 2: have been treated to night right, you know. So my

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Speaker 2: mother said that she would never stop any of us

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Speaker 2: from our you know dream, So she let Charles go

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Speaker 2: out when he was fifteen. She signed for me to

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Speaker 2: a whole blind band, and they used to put on

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Speaker 2: jolly would throw my mom over his back and between

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Speaker 2: his legs, and Lindy happened all that, you know, and

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Speaker 2: she taught us how to dance.

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Speaker 1: Okay, when did you realize you could sing?

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Speaker 2: Uh? My brother Ought said, when I was a kid

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Speaker 2: in the in the crib by just staying fell asleep.

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Speaker 2: So I guess I was trying then. But I used

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Speaker 2: to mimic nating cool and I used to sing. I

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Speaker 2: went to the movies. I was about eleven, something like that.

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Speaker 2: I sang mona Lisa, pretend none of that songs. And

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Speaker 2: he let me in, give me candy and all. And

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Speaker 2: my brother Or had a do wop group. They would

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Speaker 2: sit out on the park bench in the evening and harmonized,

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Speaker 2: and they would go around and win the talent shows

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Speaker 2: used to run up to them and they'd run me away,

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Speaker 2: get away to me my kids. You know. I just

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Speaker 2: I was persistent. I kept on. He was odd. A

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Speaker 2: guy named issacle Garden we called him easy cool. And

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Speaker 2: a dude named Turk. And finally Isaul said, hey, Kevin.

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Speaker 2: He called me Kevin. I don't know why, but I

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Speaker 2: didn't care just love. He said, you hit this note,

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Speaker 2: and he showed me the note. Then before you know it,

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Speaker 2: they were showing me all the notes how to do

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Speaker 2: the harmonies, which I had later on with the Mickey

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Speaker 2: Mouse Morse. I'm doing all the background, but doctor John

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Speaker 2: is playing the keyboard, Rob Watson and starg Us, I'm

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Speaker 2: doing all the background. Uh, the thether Brothers, Uh, Bird

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Speaker 2: them teaching me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And at what point did you say, I want

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Speaker 1: to make it this, I want this to be a career.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know about a career and all that, but

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Speaker 2: all I knew I wanted to sing. You know. I'd

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Speaker 2: go to the movies and I look at the the

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Speaker 2: Cowboys and I'd come out at the moving back in

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Speaker 2: the project and I'd be yodling, and you know, had

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Speaker 2: a mopstick named Pimo Sabi because my host and uh

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Speaker 2: it was just and my brother Ought worked at a

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Speaker 2: record shop and he used to bring along all of

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Speaker 2: the records. But like the Clovers and Over the Sunny Tilon,

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Speaker 2: the Oreos, the Hawk Tom's and different groups. Climac Fatter

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Speaker 2: Clid mcfatter was one of my favorite inspirations. H besides

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Speaker 2: nakink cold because Clyde had that high tenor, you know,

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Speaker 2: and my brother Aught had had a real high tenor,

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Speaker 2: like a strong high tenor. But I don't think they

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Speaker 2: ever gave his voice the right you know.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what was it like growing up in the projects?

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Speaker 2: Man? It was like paradise back then. You know. It

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Speaker 2: was like a village. You know, everybody knew everybody. And

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Speaker 2: we had a big oval playground but concrete that went around.

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Speaker 2: We could state on or ride a bicycle. We played football,

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Speaker 2: We played at marbles and spinning tops and kites all

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Speaker 2: in that in that space, and it was like, you know,

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Speaker 2: it was just a great place.

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Speaker 1: And you talk about football, were you a sportsman.

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Speaker 2: Back in the days? Then I got to be a

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Speaker 1: Okay. You talk about hearing about heroin and wanting to

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Speaker 2: I heard all that, but not to try it. But

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Speaker 2: I mean something inside of me was inquisitive, you know,

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Speaker 2: I was inquisitive. You I'm fella. As soon as I

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Speaker 2: And it happened to be my brother with his gug Bob,

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Speaker 2: the first time. No, you you shouldn't do this, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I ain't gonna do it next time. Next day, I said,

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Speaker 1: And so you did it? How did you do it?

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Speaker 1: Did you snort? Did you pop? Do you inject?

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Speaker 2: Uh? Charles's girlfriend, Bob. She tied me up and caught

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Speaker 2: me with the you know, my band. She said, oh,

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Speaker 2: that until, you know, there was a million dollar bands then,

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Speaker 2: and uh hey, I fell in love with it. And

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Speaker 1: So it lived up to your thoughts of what it

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Speaker 1: like with any drug, you know it's good at first,

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Speaker 1: and then you're always chasing that initial hide. It never

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Speaker 2: That's what it called chased, the chasing the dragon, because

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Speaker 1: So, okay, you have this girlfriend Joelle, but her family

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Speaker 2: Well, it's like this also when I was sixteen, I

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Speaker 2: got this tattoo in my face. On my sixteenth birthday,

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Speaker 2: I had been down in the night walk. My boy

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Speaker 2: had Melvin's uncle's pistol, wasn't it And we took taking

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Speaker 2: that was the most. I didn't care about getting punched,

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Speaker 2: I shot him, and uh Me and Melvin left out

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Speaker 2: I didn't want hill him, you know, But then we

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Speaker 2: found out that he wasn't dead. And anyway said about

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Speaker 2: my my wife's people. I had a tattoo. I had

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Speaker 2: to get gold teeth in my mouth from that punch.

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Speaker 2: You know, I had gold teeth. My hair was processed

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Speaker 2: be call of the counk. So I looking at him,

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Speaker 2: and I can I blame mister Rufe and I want

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Speaker 1: So how did you convince them that you were okay?

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Speaker 2: Because she let him know that she wanted to be

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Speaker 2: or whatever. When my dad would come home, he used

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Speaker 2: had to spoti five come on arm in the newspaper

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Speaker 2: mister Route, and he said, all right, groll and he

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess it was a bad boy

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's go back a step. Tell us more about

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Speaker 1: the dagger tattoo on your face.

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Speaker 2: Well, back in the projects at cross right here or

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Speaker 2: something or something here, one guy at a scull and cross.

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Speaker 2: This is almost a scull and crossbond. I'm glad it wasn't,

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Speaker 2: because my daddy would have commit murdered. So with this,

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Speaker 2: he made me scrubbed with drill opad and out the

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Speaker 2: no idea why i'd done that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So you're telling me at the time to have

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Speaker 1: a face tattoo was not that uncommon where you were living.

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Speaker 2: No, it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And then as you continue to live your life

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Speaker 1: to what the greeded people comment about that tattoo word

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Speaker 2: Oh, they had all kinds of rumors out Bet. Later

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Speaker 2: American Bandstand. I never was s gedully going on to

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Speaker 2: when I go on showed they put makeup on him

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Speaker 1: You also make the point about the spot above your

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Speaker 1: he could have it removed, but you said, it's like

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Speaker 1: one of the greatest She said no, and you said,

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Speaker 1: that's one of the best things that's ever you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad she didn't get it taken off. You know.

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Speaker 2: It's like it's me And like when the guys used

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Speaker 2: to call me in Melvin moble Face, and Melvin he

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Speaker 2: thought I didn't they were dissing me. I said, oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: mobile Face. You know after that, I used to say

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Speaker 2: when I got to be friends. But some of the

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Speaker 2: wrestlers bet Bet, the hit Man, Heart, Cactus Jack, h

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Speaker 2: be mole faith.

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Speaker 1: But little kids or you know, can be really mean.

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Speaker 1: When you were a little kid, did people bother you

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Speaker 1: about the mool.

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Speaker 2: No, not really No. I think it was something God

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Speaker 2: put there for a reason. You know. It was like

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Speaker 1: Okay, So you're growing up, you're growing in the projects.

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Speaker 1: Did you feel what was the vibe in the world

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Speaker 2: Every day life, be happy like you. Oh, I know

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Speaker 2: nothing about no riches than anything like that. Then they

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Speaker 2: didn't cross my mind back in the project. Oh I

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Speaker 2: you know, and some candidate. I'm cool because like one

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Speaker 2: of my first jobs at Saint Monica's Catholic School was

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Speaker 1: Ultimately, Joe Well gets pregnant, you get married, you drop

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, we had went to the this movie. She

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Speaker 2: and all that. Joy was the first girl I ever went,

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Speaker 2: you know. But she told her mama was going to

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Speaker 2: see a movie called Vera Cruz. And she got pregnant

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Speaker 2: then and we went back in the Mama said, well,

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Speaker 2: what the movie was about? He said, oh, very was cruising.

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Speaker 2: Mom looked at a relations crazy but uh. And then

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Speaker 2: nine months later, I haven't came up, but they turned it.

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Speaker 2: He was there and then they turned him.

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Speaker 1: And I, okay, what are her parents say when it

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Speaker 1: turns out that Joel is pregnant.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but this it didn't say nothing to me.

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Speaker 2: They probably said they wanted to rather beat her. I

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Speaker 1: But okay, so to what degree are you freaked out?

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Speaker 1: You're student teeth.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a freaking I love Joe and I wanted

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Speaker 2: because he got married on January the tenth, and the

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Speaker 2: so Marvin was my best man, and uh, I think

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Speaker 1: At And that's when you dropped out of high school.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was working night it jobs like uh at

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Speaker 2: that was about later on, unloading cargo ships on the ducks.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so Aaron is born, you get arrested, and the

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Speaker 2: Well, me and Marvin stagged league little Red and and

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Speaker 2: going to this picnic that Joe's school was giving up

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Speaker 2: so sure enough he came up and had his daddy's car,

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Speaker 2: as we thought anyway, but me and Marvin had got

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna call after calling a A motors. Something happened

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Speaker 2: I was supposed to go and look for a job

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Speaker 2: So meanwhile, something happened to the car, and me and

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Speaker 2: Then we told him said, look, uh, don't call the police.

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Speaker 2: We could straighten up and anything, you know. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: we went in and Shivelet come to see by getting

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Speaker 2: to carkis to in this card. It brought us in

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00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 2: the car, brought us a little jail house and uh

434
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 2: so we still to our store. We want in the

435
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 2: fobs and shiverlet police come here. You the driver. Driver,

436
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 2: I'm I don't even have no driver less, he said,

437
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 2: come out of there. I'm sitting in the car and

438
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 2: the front seat he hit, hitting a little slapjack in

439
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 2: his hand like that. And now I reme much you

440
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 2: going on tell me the truth? I said, I didn't

441
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 2: tell you the truth of it. And here on the radio,

442
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 2: come on the Ford Bostos and solah blah blah, and

443
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 2: the chepher that said, no, did you note that's Robert

444
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 2: he's knowing no robber Blue did it? Cause I said,

445
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 2: I told you, And suppose of them damn call us out.

446
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 2: So that's how that went.

447
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: Down, And how long Were you in jail that time?

448
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 2: Six months?

449
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: So now you talk about the state prison in Gola,

450
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: it's being pretty rough. Were you in Angola at that point?

451
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 2: No, I was in the New Orleans Spanish prison, and

452
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 2: I looked like I was trying to get the Angola,

453
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: but I never made it. My brother Charles did almost

454
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 2: four years in Angola for two marijuana cigarettes. So, uh,

455
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 2: the guy I did say, I'd be glad to start

456
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 2: giving you all ten years of stealing the people. Cause

457
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 2: so no, I went past prison.

458
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,479
Speaker 1: Okay, So what was it like being in prison?

459
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 2: It was It was kind of fun. Really. The first

460
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 2: night I was in there, I had a dream that

461
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 2: I had broke out and I was having fun all

462
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 2: around the Orleans and all of a sudden I had

463
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 2: to get back in or something bad is gonna happen,

464
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 2: and I'm trying every kind of way at them. I

465
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 2: couldn't get back in. On open my eyes and saw

466
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 2: the balls. I said, that was crazy. I mean, you know,

467
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 2: had had some assholes, and then some time that did

468
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 2: be fighting over stuff like looking at the television at

469
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: the Mickey Mouse Club. Uh, and and that show us

470
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 2: my girl I was here before you. That's getting a

471
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: fight about and that when they sell.

472
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: It, so we hear you know all about prisons with

473
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 1: fights and gangs and arguing over stuff. Was that your experience?

474
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: No, that wasn't all. That wasn't like that all they had,

475
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 2: you know, some of the tears was like stupid dead

476
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 2: one tail called X. And then at one time they

477
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,479
Speaker 2: was calling it the house a shop because they had

478
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 2: this guy in the urban Stell the stand and Crabby.

479
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 2: There were two assholes. I mean they would they would

480
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 2: be down there beating up dudes and they wound up

481
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 2: going to penitentia doing the same ship. And uh I

482
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: when I first went in, I got a reds of

483
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 2: blad and I melted it down in a toothbrush to

484
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: make a shame, which I never had to use. I'm glad.

485
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: And we did a lot of singing. You know, everybody

486
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: go to jail, they think they can sing. So you

487
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: know they saw singing spirituals that they get the holy

488
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: goes to ooh Lord here mercy.

489
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: Okay, what does Joel say when you get arrested?

490
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 2: Well, Christian say, I mean I'm going to jail.

491
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: You know.

492
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 2: That's when they changed I have a name to from

493
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 2: into having and it.

494
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: You know, you make a big point about that in

495
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: the book. Are you still pissed about it?

496
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: No? No, I mean no, I got my understanding is

497
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: way better than it was back then, you know.

498
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: Okay. Another thing which you referenced in your story with

499
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: a Ford and Chevrolet, is it you guys were stealing

500
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: cars on a regular basis.

501
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. It made it so easy. All

502
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: you needed was sel a papery to stigarette, pack, ball

503
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: it up and put it behind the next ignition on

504
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 2: the three schools and put it in a loose in

505
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: the study. I mean, you know, hey, who did something

506
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: like that? So?

507
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: Would you steal a car because you had to get somewhere?

508
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: Or did you steal a car because like there's nothing

509
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: better to do, let's go joy riding.

510
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: This jar riding? You know, that's it? And uh, one

511
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 2: time me and Melvine he kept one for about a month.

512
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: They had a red Uh, but it was fifty one

513
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 2: convertible Plymouth. We kept it for about a month. It

514
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 2: was stash it and be washing it like it was ours.

515
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

516
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: Weren't you worried that someone was gonna be looking for

517
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: the car?

518
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 2: Well, you know, somebody's gonna be looking for it. And

519
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: then you know the one time me and Melvin riding

520
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: and the police pull up on the side and look

521
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: in the car and didn't see no key. That right,

522
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: pull over.

523
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: Now you make a point in the book that you're

524
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: constantly returning the cars in perfect shape.

525
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: But let's say that must have cracked.

526
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: You must have cracked up a few.

527
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: Another, but just cracked that one up coming from the picnic.

528
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 2: You know, Other than that, we bucked them close to

529
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:44,239
Speaker 2: the where it took them.

530
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: And when did you get your first car?

531
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 2: By nineteen seventy eight? It was the last of the

532
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 2: big thunderbirds. It was like my pride and joy. It

533
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: was silver and red.

534
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: And how long did you have that car?

535
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 2: A few years until because that was seventy eight, probably

536
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 2: tell about uh eighty maen.

537
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: Okay, So at this point in time, you're married, you

538
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,959
Speaker 1: get out of jail, you have a kid. What are

539
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: you doing for work? Then?

540
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: I had to work on the docks on I worked

541
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 2: grand boats. I had coffee boats, what else, rubber, cotton,

542
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 2: you name it all. I'm down the river. It never

543
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: was in the same spozzy, you know. That's that made

544
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 2: it so cool and they paid good.

545
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: But that's backbreaking work. That's really hard work.

546
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: Thing about it, I said, if another man can do it,

547
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 2: I can't do it. But that fact a how I

548
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 2: messed my backup back then, because you know, we want

549
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 2: I didn't know know about using your legs and all that.

550
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: We just bent over and manhouding, which is actually man

551
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 2: holding us. So but because the older guys they had

552
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 2: a niche to but it didn't make the thing. They

553
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 2: had one initial lift and the rest of the time

554
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: it's gotten, just gotten it, you know. And they made

555
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 2: it easy and we caught on later on, But before

556
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: that was breaking our back.

557
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: But you go on that you have had back problems

558
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: as a result of that.

559
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: Probably that and other I don't know what else, but

560
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: I'm not I never used my legs to bend over

561
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 2: and pick up heavy you know, coffee sacks and the

562
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: earl drums, turning them and and they had this hook

563
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: and the club on one hand, and one time I

564
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: took the hook all them right through my wrists. Yeah,

565
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: it was you're.

566
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: Thankful And to what where are you singing at this point?

567
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: Well, since you said that, I'd be down in the

568
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 2: ship old singing, and the guy said, man, you think

569
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 2: gonna have been just being in the ship, oh you know,

570
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 2: to be on TV even uh this or that, you know?

571
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 2: And I said, no, man, I got a family see it,

572
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna be down in the ship. Will one

573
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 2: day I'll get out, you know.

574
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: And how do you ultimately make records back then? Yeah?

575
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 2: How did you get your deal?

576
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: You ultimately do? Tell it like it is? How much

577
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: recording enough.

578
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 2: It is?

579
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: Tell me, like to tell me the story.

580
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 2: When I got out of jail in nineteen sixty, that's

581
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: when Lara Williams came down and another distract named Lara McKinley,

582
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 2: and they hooked me up with many records with Alan

583
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 2: Tuccent and I got to recall my first record, alln

584
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 2: Tu Cent Rover Uncle over You. I wrote running the

585
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 2: in the Paris prisonal call every day about knowing I'm

586
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: dreaming of the dead, that I'll be home soon. Every

587
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: day long about three I'm dreaming of the dead. I'll

588
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 2: be free. You know. That was my first record, and

589
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: that's when I went on the road with Lead Williams.

590
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: Okay, you make the point that even though that was

591
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: a gigantic kid, you got almost no money.

592
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 2: No money. Well, I mean the first one they was

593
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 2: telling me that, uh, you know, go get the bat

594
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: and rude or something like that. You know, it's that

595
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: fine over you. Was on the Charice on the R

596
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: and beach charts. Anyway, it might have been on the

597
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 2: regular shot our remembers, but a while back. But uh,

598
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 2: I went on the road, and I remember Rachelle was

599
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 2: telling me he'd be able dubb that song over you.

600
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: So let's just go back before you're on the road

601
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 1: to what degree is racism or problem? And we're in

602
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: New Orleans when you're growing up.

603
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: But what racism, Well, I mean, you know, think about

604
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 2: it relected to bothers. It was a place where you know,

605
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 2: you could go on places you know you wasn't supposed

606
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 2: to go, you know, but uh we went sometimes vented

607
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: in the place we weren't supposed to go. And uh

608
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: like like to say, uh, sometimes you go in the

609
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 2: grocery store and buying something and you get a personal money,

610
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 2: they throw your chains back at you or something like that,

611
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: and you know, and like in the project, I didn't

612
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: know anything about no racism. You know, there's only white

613
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 2: people I saw. Really was the priests and the nuns

614
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 2: at the school or the grocery man would have you know.

615
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 2: And most of the guys around the project they were cool.

616
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: But you know, you on Balance after they moved on

617
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 2: Balance Street there Lebruso's grocery. This guy, he was nice.

618
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: The majority of them, they they didn't want to touch

619
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: your hand and ship like that. You know.

620
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: And but you you talk about the police stopping you

621
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: for no good reason and putting you in jail for

622
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: seventy two hours.

623
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that was the thing, that a thing called

624
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: pendent investigation. So me and my bothers be you know,

625
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 2: just hanging it. One time the police jumps out and

626
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 2: my mama's step His name was Turtle, and uh, he said,

627
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 2: aarone coming in the car, he said, man, when I'm

628
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 2: going to jailer he said, oh, well, thank you something

629
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 2: by the time we get to the priest, you know,

630
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: stuff like that. And uh. They had one night in

631
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 2: the alley between two ballrooms, me and my brother Cyril

632
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: and a guy named Jake who I made the song

633
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 2: Brother Jake about. His name was Alfred Rudolph. The police

634
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 2: had come there, told I'm just standing in front of

635
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 2: the front of the bar and so I said, man,

636
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 2: I'm tired of being like a roach. Every time the

637
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 2: light come on. We gotta run. And so Jake pulled

638
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 2: up there and I went out to tell them to

639
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 2: come on the joint. And the police must have just

640
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 2: popped around the corner to come foop right around it.

641
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 2: So me and Jake and Cyril went back in his

642
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: alley and one of them stood by the gate. Let

643
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: me tell you their now, Barroard Marie. Marie stood by

644
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 2: the by the gate, and Bararard came in and for

645
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 2: summer reason, he hit Cyril. With Cyril and Jake. They

646
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: were militant, you know, they were like the cyril name

647
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: was Umbuku and uh. He hit her with that big

648
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 2: long flashlight and I saw a color I had never

649
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: seen before. It was like called the mom and the truth.

650
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: I grabbed this guy's hand and if he's alive today,

651
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 2: he got my fingerprints in his in his wrists. And

652
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 2: I looked a him. I could see the man at

653
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: the gate sent playing please note because he saw what

654
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 2: I was gonna do. I was gonna grab the gun,

655
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 2: I said, hit my brother back in. He said, you're

656
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 2: all gonna die in this fucking alley, you know, and

657
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: he was trembling, and and suddenly that god was there.

658
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: Gods didn't know him, going on, go to jail and

659
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: get the ship over you know. So I told a certainly, come,

660
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 2: let's go down and get out and go to jail,

661
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 2: go to central locker. They put us in the car,

662
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 2: brought us to Napoleon and Britannia. There about seven cars

663
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: the police waiting. If I wouldn't have been there, they

664
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: probably killed Jake and Cyril with the man howling and

665
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 2: pulling him out the car. They took her and get

666
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 2: out the car. They know who you are and all

667
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 2: that shit, you know. And so I told something said,

668
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 2: may be cool, let's go to jail and get the

669
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 2: ship over with. So we did, and that's when Jake

670
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 2: we got out. Jake started in the song. I said

671
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 2: he had to ride the rail because he was started

672
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 2: hit shiking, I mean, catching freight trains around the country.

673
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 2: And when all the way around, come over down to Florida,

674
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 2: come back to New Orleans and went around one of

675
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 2: the score places, and the dude caught him off golden

676
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 2: and hit him and knock him down and head hit

677
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 2: the curve and he died. And uh so, me and

678
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 2: Cyril we had went to New York. But y'alls and

679
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 2: we come back. We're in the ballroom here the police

680
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: coming in Sam too. I said, okay, we're gonna get

681
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: this ship over knock. They had a wine out for us,

682
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 2: you know. So we get in the car and went

683
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 2: down there and just squashed the ship. But and while

684
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 2: we're in the car, bro looking at Aaron Nelt, Cyril Net,

685
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: Alfred Rudolph d o a y'all was glad to hear that,

686
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 2: said say, yeah, you probably had another one that that's

687
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: just still Please cool it, man, Let's go down and

688
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: get this ship over with. And so we did. But

689
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 2: it was one of them things, you know, like John

690
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 2: there for seventy two hours, and every time the ship changed,

691
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 2: they bring the central lock up and pushing in front

692
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 2: of the lineup. And if you happen to look like somebody,

693
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 2: you can wind up with a charge on. So, yeah,

694
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 2: it was that was part of my growing up, you know.

695
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: So the people you grew up with, your friends, how

696
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: many are still alive and how many died before their time?

697
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 2: Most of them died before the time. Marvin is still here.

698
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 2: Don Hobbard is still here. Pitt It Pat the one

699
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: I'm talking. He's got cancer up. But I talked to

700
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 2: him every day to lift his spirits and all. But

701
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: that's about it. You know. Another one just died. He

702
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 2: wasn't in the game and he's just it's time to

703
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: get out of here, you know. But most of them gone.

704
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 2: I saw him fall by the wayside.

705
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: So you're in New Orleans. Facts dominoes from New Orleans.

706
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: He's gigantic in the fifties. To what degree were you

707
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: aware of the musicians were successful? And to what degree

708
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: did you come to know them? Doctor John, Allen Tussain

709
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: all these other people.

710
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: Well fast Domina. I thought he was the you know,

711
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 2: Ris or whatever, and uh, doctor John. He and I

712
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: ran the space together back in the day. Is you

713
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: know the first time I went in the studio. He

714
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do some background on somebody who's recalling all Onta.

715
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 2: He recorded all my face stuff on Miny Records from

716
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty to about sixty full stuff like that.

717
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: Well, Alan and Mac were you know, these are icons

718
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: in America and the rest of the world. Were they

719
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: icons in New Orleans?

720
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, no doubt.

721
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: They spent okay, so Alter, you're on sure with Larry

722
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: Williams based on your head. Eventually you go to Los Angeles.

723
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: You fly there because Larry Williams is gonna help you

724
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,720
Speaker 1: make it. Larry Williams has some success, but he turns

725
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 1: out to be a crook almost for sport.

726
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 2: Well he was. When we was on the road, he said,

727
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: I'm fat of being temped out here. That's what we

728
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 2: call it. See, I'm going on pimp and back to

729
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: LA And he did so. When I got up there,

730
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 2: he picking that from the airport. He stopped off at

731
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: a one of his little hotels, like told to one

732
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: of his women, and I can hear him up, you know,

733
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 2: speaking louds of whatever. And I'm sitting in the car

734
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 2: and the police pull up. Guys said, hey, it was polite.

735
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 2: Say how he said, who are you? Said, aaron Nevia

736
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. So what do you to, mister Williams.

737
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 2: I said, it's gonna be my manager, Your manage it.

738
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 2: What do you you know you'll stick a man a

739
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 2: burglar or what a pimp? I said, No, I'm a singer.

740
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 2: He said, okay, well they call me Red. I move.

741
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: I'm out of Wilsa district. So I see you over there,

742
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 2: and a few days later I saw red over there.

743
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 2: He said, told you and that that it was on

744
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 2: every time we left the the house that get picked

745
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 2: up half the time.

746
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: Now ultimately you get arrested and join a firefighting crew.

747
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: Tell me about that.

748
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 2: Well that happened on I had done maybe with three burglars.

749
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: This is the third one. It's on Sunset Boulevard. And

750
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: a guy rant at a step in van with the

751
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 2: sliding doors, and it was a man's clothing store and

752
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 2: it was next to a woman's clothing store. The man's

753
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 2: clothing store at a Burgerlon. So they popped the lock

754
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 2: on the woman's store, went through the wall had a

755
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 2: hole this big, but you can walk, walked through the

756
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 2: arm little suits, so it looked like somebody that saw us.

757
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 2: And everybody left. It went different spots, and me and

758
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: a guy named Steve set out on this bench on Sunset.

759
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 2: So he said everything quieter would check out, so he went.

760
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 2: He stood. I said, must be all right, so I

761
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: went back. As I was coming towards the truck, I

762
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 2: heard some talking, so I slipped the door open, the

763
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: guy in and slid the door back closed, and I

764
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: could hear him as they getting closed, and guy, Michelle,

765
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 2: someone's in the place. And I'm high, I had hair

766
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: on and we eating coke, so I had to do

767
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 2: that to be done that dumb shit. So I'm all

768
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 2: kind of visions gone through my head. I'm trying to

769
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: pitch it, and the guy out, hey, what are you

770
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 2: doing that? And I said, man, be clean enough, leave

771
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 2: us alone. And the lady said, I didn't hire nobody

772
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 2: to clean up my police, and that shit was so

773
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 2: funny than me. I was tumble standing back of the

774
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: food in that damn truck, and all of a sudden

775
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 2: I heard Larry come out and they got in the squabbling,

776
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 2: and Larry hit to do it and knock him down.

777
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 2: The woman started screaming. The parking lot felled up. I'm

778
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 2: trying to get the door open, and it would not

779
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 2: open nothing. It would not budge until the Sheriff of

780
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 2: Hollywood and all them that. Then they slid up like

781
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: it was greased. I sat on the running board a

782
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: little cigarette and just waited, you know, And he come

783
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 2: up and said, what's that. I said, I guess I'm busted,

784
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 2: you know. But they ran Larry and them all through

785
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 2: the Hollywood heels and uh put me in the car

786
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 2: over the hand because behind my back from about that

787
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 2: was about ten o'clock till about three in the morning

788
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 2: while they calm in the hills, and right now I

789
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 2: got to click my thumb to get it right from

790
00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 2: that handcuffed being so tight on my wrists and uh anyway,

791
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 2: the man asked me who was there. I'd give him

792
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 2: some phony names. He knew I was lying. He said,

793
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 2: I'm gonna send you to Saint Quentin. I said, I

794
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 2: guess that it was Saint Quentin, and uh Larry got

795
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 2: me out in a bond, got me a lawyer, and

796
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 2: the lawyer talked to the probation department and all that.

797
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 2: So uh I went to court sound guilty on two

798
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 2: cons at second degree burgers and then let me go

799
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 2: home for about a month to you know, well, come

800
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 2: back and do my time. So when I come back,

801
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: uh Larry had set it up for me to hang

802
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 2: out with these two girls then Audie and Kim who

803
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 2: ill called Chuckling and Vanilla, and uh I was hired.

804
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 2: I don't know what all happened at that, but they

805
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 2: were giving me a send off a party, and I

806
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: was trying to get hired, and start could feel them

807
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 2: and I got the jail. When I got in front

808
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 2: of the judge. It was supposed to be Judge brand

809
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 2: who my mom and Joe that wrote letters to and

810
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: all that he was supposed to go light and instead

811
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 2: Judge Brandt was on vacation and Start as I was

812
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 2: in there giving out time like it was free ice

813
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 2: water or something five to lfe, ten to twenty, you know,

814
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 2: all that kind of and I'm thinking about running and

815
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: I kept saying, no, it's run. You ain't gonna be

816
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 2: the same. So you got to take you issue. So

817
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: I stood in front of judge. I felt like I

818
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 2: was about two feet tall, and he said, Aaron Never's

819
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 2: found guilty of two counts to second green burglar. I

820
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 2: finally sent you with the love prescribe. He been saying

821
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 2: that to everybody. You know, my heart just sunk. He said,

822
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 2: one of fourteen years of Saint Quentin. And he said

823
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 2: but when he said but, I was holding on to

824
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 2: a piece of kite through it. But what he starts

825
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 2: to spend that time to put you on a three

826
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 2: year provision, providing you do the first year for the County.

827
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 2: Thank you Johanna, thank you Saint Jude, you know. And

828
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 2: uh so that was cool, you know. And I got

829
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 2: that to the central I mean not central lot to

830
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 2: Elie County and they had my hand because of this

831
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 2: black dude from Kelp from Texas. Told lanky dude to

832
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 2: walk around like he's the baddest line in the jungle.

833
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 2: You know, everybody come get out of my say, man,

834
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,280
Speaker 2: you better freeze that ship man. And then we're walking

835
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 2: through the to the Ellie conneck. They got about ten

836
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 2: guys together and some dude and them, so take that

837
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 2: fucking hat off and the whole god, I didn't even

838
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 2: have no hell say tell your mama to take I

839
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 2: had a sucker and you know, I'm ready for whatever.

840
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 2: So the first thing the man say, well do you

841
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 2: want to do your time inside outside? That's a no brainer, man,

842
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 2: I'm want too much time outside. Okay. So I went

843
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 2: to the wayside on the Rancho close to Pasadena up

844
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 2: in the and what the mouth there was anyway, they

845
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: had a forest forest fire camp with a T shirt

846
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 2: to fight forest fires, and the place was like a

847
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 2: little town. It had like, uh fit the barracks on

848
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 2: one side, fit the on my side with yeah library

849
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 2: or uh where you eat and everything in the middle

850
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 2: and on the end there where you trained for the

851
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 2: forest fires. And I try to suck up everything and

852
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,760
Speaker 2: try to learn it to the utmost so i'd be safe.

853
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 2: And this guy, Robert, he walking down the walk with

854
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 2: get out of my way, and he messed with a

855
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 2: couple doing had him hand up against the building and ship.

856
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 2: It didn't detern though, until we got to Camp eighteen,

857
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 2: which was we locked up and got officers barracks when

858
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 2: bricks and had the state of the old gym, cafeteria

859
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,760
Speaker 2: and everything. All the rest of the camps are like shacks,

860
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 2: wooden shocks. So Robert, still acting stupid, he messed with

861
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 2: the little white dude, I'm gonna take the food or something.

862
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 2: Dude had him turn upside down. So he went to Siberia.

863
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 2: That's what they call the hole. You don't go to Siberia.

864
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 2: So we never seen him in the more and one day,

865
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,919
Speaker 2: I'm the sergeant took a liking to me. He said,

866
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 2: what you doing in place like this? I said, I've

867
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 2: done some stupid shit, man, I gotta pay for it,

868
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 2: you know. And one day I was he got me

869
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 2: at the buffe his office, you know, with the buffer machine,

870
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 2: and one of my records came on and the man

871
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 2: said that was mister Aaron never so I said, no,

872
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 2: you mean missed sixteen nine fifty five. We left, but yeah,

873
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 2: so he was cool. Man. I was glad I was there.

874
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 2: And the forest fires back then wasn't like they are

875
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 2: the day though to day they on steroids.

876
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:18,959
Speaker 1: So how depressing was it to be in the work

877
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: camp with your record on the radio and having been

878
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: on tour as a singer.

879
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 2: It wasn't the person at all. I figured I was

880
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 2: in the right place. I was satisfied. I wasn't getting

881
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 2: no visitors. But this this guy from Mena and Louisiana,

882
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 2: his family would come up and his mother would call

883
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 2: me out, you know, to sit with them. I mean

884
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 2: I was. I was. I mean his too. Chicana dudes one.

885
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 2: Then Pedro and John we worked out together and I

886
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 2: was looking at the Hawk. I was like, man, I

887
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 2: love this, you know, building my body up, and uh

888
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 2: so when I came out there, I was like, my

889
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 2: clothes wouldn't fit me.

890
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: So this is when you first started to work out. Yeah,

891
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: Now it seems from the outside the youth continue to

892
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: work out the rest of your life. Is that true?

893
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, man, sir, I worked at twice this morning,

894
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 2: so you know, at least full time of the week.

895
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: And do you like the process or you like the

896
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: way it makes you look or the way it makes

897
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 1: you make strong? What about it is appealing to you?

898
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 2: Everything? The feeling of the iron, you know, and even

899
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:33,720
Speaker 2: the stuff when you're running or doing cody and stuff.

900
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 2: But I liked all of it because I know I'm helping.

901
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 2: I feel it, you know, even when if it hurt,

902
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 2: it's good.

903
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: Hurry, Okay, you go back to New Orleans after you

904
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: do your time? Is this when Joel essentially kicks you

905
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: out of the house.

906
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 2: It wasn't. It wasn't that I know when I go

907
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 2: back from doing my time. Is nineteen sixty four, and

908
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,479
Speaker 2: my daughter I understand his bond.

909
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: And uh.

910
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 2: So we moved in in a house on Chestnut Street,

911
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 2: and uh let's see sixty five, Hurricane Betsy came and

912
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 2: uh me and Melvin started doing roofing work after that

913
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 2: because his dad knew what it was a roofer and

914
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 2: we made money doing that. That ran out and this

915
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 2: guy named Sydney and Uh, George came by with a

916
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,919
Speaker 2: big bag of weed. They wanted to use my house

917
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 2: to you know, bag it up manicure. But if they

918
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 2: do with it, my children are at school. Joe was

919
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 2: at work, said, yeah, have all come up. So they

920
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 2: gave us a big cake pan full of weed and

921
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 2: then gave us a bag with the stems. He got

922
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 2: a letther cake pan out and kid was good. So

923
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 2: we're selling dollars joints, you know. And I went uptown

924
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 2: where George used to live and uh, selling dollar joints,

925
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, this guy dropped the handkerchief

926
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 2: to the narcotic agent that tangle I Red was on

927
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 2: the corner. He was a dope pusher and tangled Red

928
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 2: has just got in the car and pulled off by

929
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 2: me being red like, they jumped down on me. And

930
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 2: I had about twenty joints, and I'm thinking, wow, I'm

931
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: going there and go. Charles already up there doing five

932
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 2: years to two joints and he was cutting sugar cane

933
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 2: or it was dean in humane. Later on, anyway, my

934
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 2: daddy got my lawyer and he came up with something

935
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 2: like motion to suppress the evidence, and I got me off,

936
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:48,720
Speaker 2: got me off, and you know, wow.

937
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: But how does your wife end up moving out of

938
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:51,439
Speaker 1: the house?

939
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 2: That wasn't until after that was like seventy two, that

940
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 2: was later.

941
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 1: Okay, So what was happening between this thing with getting

942
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: arrested with the twenty joints and uh then uh, your

943
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: wife moving out? You moving to New York? What were

944
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: you doing in that period? Working on the docks singing music?

945
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 2: What I was working on the docks singing recording? Uh,

946
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 2: I worked the painting houses, driving the truck. I worked

947
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 2: with both brothers constructing where they would uh, putting cables

948
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 2: under the ground, you know, underground cables. They did some

949
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 2: hard weight, but they paid. The riverfront paid the best.

950
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 2: If you got three days on the riverfront, you had

951
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 2: a good payday. And uh, that's what I was doing.

952
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 2: I didn't mind. And when I went to the hiring

953
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 2: hall in the morning, had you know a lot of

954
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 2: hundreds of people out there trying to get work. And

955
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 2: the guy would always have me because you know what,

956
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 2: I came to wait because some guys would get out

957
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 2: there and doing the rain dance. You know, as soon

958
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 2: as they get on the gate, man, I sure we

959
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 2: shoul rain so I can go home, said, well, why

960
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 2: did you come out of there brought somebody else could

961
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 2: have who wanted to work for the air their job,

962
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 2: you know.

963
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: So tell us about ultimately going to New York.

964
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 2: Well that was after let's see, seventy Joe left. Jason

965
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 2: was born in seventy and one. Joe left around seventy three,

966
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 2: and uh me and Cyah went to New York to

967
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 2: be with Charles Taker. We could, you know, do some

968
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,479
Speaker 2: music stuff up there, which we did do some music

969
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 2: stuff we did, like a trio called Myself the Wild

970
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 2: Chappe of Tulis, which is my uncle John's Indian drive.

971
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 2: And uh we played clubs we did we didn't want

972
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 2: called catch a rising Star with Richard Bells, a comedian.

973
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 2: He was in See and he told the people when

974
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 2: these guys came up, we thought this coming in the robbers,

975
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 2: but give him a listener, give really sound good. I

976
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,240
Speaker 2: mean we were jamming. I was playing keyboard and singing.

977
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 2: Syriah was playing his gum dad and singing. The show

978
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 2: was going on singing.

979
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: Okay, so you go back to New Orleans and you

980
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: end up working with your uncle Joly.

981
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 2: Well with let me see nineteen seventy six. Well, first

982
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 2: of all, I got another story. Then nineteen seventy five.

983
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 2: This guy, he was a singer all in his name

984
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 2: little Sonny, and he's coming to me and my brother

985
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 2: lawn lug it. Hey, man, you score me some coke? Man,

986
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 2: I know. The guy had, of course tell him no,

987
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know when that brother, you know,

988
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 2: he kept on. I gave in and I scored some

989
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 2: coke on. I did it a couple of times, and

990
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 2: he brought his boy, Freddy, and I scored for Freddy

991
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 2: twice and the mother with you know you didn't hear

992
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 2: the mother with hunted since you I didn't pay attention

993
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 2: to it. And when I did pay attention that it

994
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 2: was too late, because uh Freddy called me on the phone,

995
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 2: say you get some more that. I said, no, man,

996
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 2: the man going out of town. And I said, well,

997
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 2: you know i'd get some hair on. When he said that,

998
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 2: my heart just I knew what the hell it was. Said,

999
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 2: no brain, no dealing man. And I was helping a

1000
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 2: so called friend out, you know. So I hung up

1001
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 2: and Pooshi passed and I tell him about it. He

1002
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 2: gave me a giant and I smoked it and laying

1003
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 2: he just waiting because I knew something's gonna happen. The

1004
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:44,919
Speaker 2: last thing I know I heard, I'm running through the alley,

1005
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 2: bang on the door, and I got them walked through

1006
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 2: and I had to look small window like opening, saw

1007
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 2: Freddie out there with a steal gray suit with a

1008
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 2: star skin husch gun on him. Say it Freddy out

1009
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 2: of posse. Ain't no ready, that's office to see. That's

1010
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 2: when I went to the court again. And first of all,

1011
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 2: just my lawyer said, just pray you don't get this judge.

1012
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 2: As soon as I got my papers, Judge Edward G. Boyl,

1013
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 2: the hanging judge. So me enjoy going My mama's dead then,

1014
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 2: so we enjoyed was going to the steps on our

1015
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 2: knees at Saint Anstraine and gone to Saint Jude and

1016
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 2: saying our prayers. And I went to the court and

1017
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 2: was so found guilty of too uh sales and arcotics.

1018
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 2: The agent and the man told me that sends you

1019
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 2: the one to fifteen years in the federal penitentiary. And

1020
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 2: you said, I don't know why I'm doing this, but

1021
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 2: I'm gonna spend that sentence and put you on a

1022
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 2: three of probation. Say thank you, honor, but I had

1023
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 2: to go in a battle for about six months after that.

1024
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 2: You know, I'm walking out the courthouse and this black

1025
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 2: dude who was the Federal Marshal, his pistolf, He said,

1026
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 2: I don't know you had in this courthouse, but these

1027
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 2: shackles was for your ass. You ain't got me now,

1028
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 2: I ain't coming back in your no more. And that

1029
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 2: was it. But the judicial system.

1030
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: So you had to be clean for six months. What

1031
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: was going on with you and the dope after that?

1032
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 2: Well, I was still in my six months up. I

1033
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 2: went back again. I mean I was kind of dead.

1034
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 2: I was like doing time right then.

1035
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: So tell me that it's after that you work with

1036
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: your uncle johny.

1037
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he called out of love his down Shall was

1038
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 2: still in the yoke and aught and cereals with the Meters.

1039
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 2: So he called us nice, said I wanted to do

1040
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 2: my Indian music with me, and so we went in

1041
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 2: the studio and set in nineteen seventy six and then

1042
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 2: the Wild Chappatola's album with the Meters and the Nether

1043
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 2: Brothers and a guy named Willie Harper helping us do

1044
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 2: the background. And I mean we went there. We didn't

1045
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 2: have to tell nobody what note to take it. It

1046
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 2: was just and we had never been together, all four

1047
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 2: of us, and had been two of us or three

1048
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 2: of us. You know, this is all four of us together,

1049
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 2: and it was just so easy and the album playing

1050
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 2: out so good, and he said, well, we wanted to

1051
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 2: do the Nether Brothers because Joall has said that that

1052
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 2: her mama and our mama had told him that she'd

1053
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 2: like to see all of us together. So said, yeah, man,

1054
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 2: that's a good idea. So in nineteen seventy seven we

1055
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 2: started rehearsing and stuff, and we got to deal with

1056
01:01:54,560 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 2: Capital's Records to make album that Jack Niche produced, and

1057
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 2: uh came out in nineteen seventy eight. That's when I

1058
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 2: was able to buy my seventy eight Thunderbird, and Uh,

1059
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 2: I guess that was the start of the Never Bros.

1060
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 1: Okay, from that point, is it pretty much go up

1061
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: and up and you're working on the road or is

1062
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: it dipped down again?

1063
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 2: Uh? It wasn't. It was working. I didn't I had.

1064
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 2: I didn't have to go back on on the river

1065
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 2: front anymore after that because we started working regular and

1066
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 2: h it was like to eighty one when we were

1067
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 2: playing at Tippetinas and Bett Midler came in and I

1068
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:51,439
Speaker 2: was singing telling like it is, and She's just slid

1069
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 2: down off us stool like it was.

1070
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: You know.

1071
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 2: She dug it and she asked us did we have

1072
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 2: a contract, cause that was just the one one record

1073
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 2: deal with Capitol Records. He said, no, we don't have

1074
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 2: a record. She called Jered Morrison, herb alphat at the

1075
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 2: A and M Records. Man, check these guys out, you know.

1076
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 2: So she set it up so we had a chance

1077
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 2: to do an album for A and M Records. That

1078
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 2: was nineteen eighty one. Joe Down was the producer. And

1079
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying, man, it's time for me to

1080
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 2: get off the pot, you know. So I was ready.

1081
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 2: I was scared, you know. It was like the kid

1082
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 2: in me, you know, just I know about the streets,

1083
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 2: but I don't know about no rehab and all that stuff.

1084
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 2: But the manager at the time, his name was Bill Johnson.

1085
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 2: He set it up for me to go in this

1086
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 2: place called DePaul, which used to be a sanitarium. So anyway,

1087
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:54,919
Speaker 2: we had to go do this album in New York

1088
01:03:55,200 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 2: called Fire on the Bayer and I's brought them up

1089
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 2: drugs up there to hold me to come back. But

1090
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 2: I'm scared because I'm you know, I don't know when

1091
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 2: the rehab he is. And it was like the little

1092
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 2: kid in me. It was like, you know. So one

1093
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 2: one morning, about three o'clock in the morning, I'm in

1094
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 2: the in the room and this guy named Elliott, he

1095
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 2: was a writer. He was doing the story on us,

1096
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 2: so he was in. I'm playing the piano. My friend

1097
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 2: John Brenners from Petaluma, California, he had had let me

1098
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 2: his recorded tape recorder, and I'm playing Sam Cook and

1099
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,439
Speaker 2: the soul said, were you there when they crucified the Lord?

1100
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 2: And he's so wonderful? And I had to stand up

1101
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 2: in front of my class in the sixth grade and

1102
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 2: Reppe recited a poem called Lovely Lady Dressed in Blue

1103
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 2: teach me how to pray? And I started playing like

1104
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 2: somebody told me how to play it and how to

1105
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 2: sing it. And I recorded on one of my albums.

1106
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 2: But that was like the little kid in me. I

1107
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 2: have a that that recording. I called him my my

1108
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 2: inspiration up tape because I could hear the frightened Aaron Neville,

1109
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 2: you know, and uh, if you want to send it

1110
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:25,919
Speaker 2: to you. Uh. Anyhow, I had a lot of things

1111
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 2: happened on that on that session. Matter of fact, Whitney

1112
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 2: Houston and my mom sang background on some of the

1113
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 2: songs on Fire on the Buyer, and Uh, Keith Richards

1114
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 2: said that to him, that was the best album of

1115
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 2: the year, and uh, the strength I was doing Mona

1116
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 2: Lisa and Joe Donn got Leon Pandorvis he is a

1117
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,919
Speaker 2: keyboard player for Saturday Night Live. And Water was there,

1118
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 2: who was out friend from New Orleans has done a

1119
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 2: lot of Alan Tuson and stuff, a lot of bunch

1120
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 2: of other people stuff and Joe was hip Tim. So

1121
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 2: Joe asked him and said, well, what else do you

1122
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 2: need a piano in your run? He said, no, I

1123
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 2: just need a tune in folk. So he wrote the

1124
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 2: Choice with a tune and folk. And while we're in

1125
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 2: the studio, uh, the New York String session, they played

1126
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 2: Leon's person that was killer Man and they snickering at

1127
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 2: at whatever, like he's a country bumpkin and stuffing. You know,

1128
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 2: he gets put the put the music out there, and

1129
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 2: they played it and after that they had to get

1130
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 2: up and hit their pons on the on the music

1131
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 2: stand and give him his problem. I had tears him, asking, man,

1132
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 2: get that man is proper, you know. And I was

1133
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 2: dedicating that song to my mom and dad and it

1134
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 2: was a very special recording for me.

1135
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 1: What did you learn in rehab?

1136
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 2: Well, I learn that dope it's not your friend, and

1137
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 2: that when you take it, it's attacking your organicize, you know.

1138
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 2: And when you get that good feeling and there's just

1139
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 2: no good feeling, it's doing something you kidney or you

1140
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 2: liver your pankers or some shit, you know, and h

1141
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 2: but uh, it didn't stop me. I stopped, Yeah, stopped

1142
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 2: when that time and the next time, but I had

1143
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety one, we went on the road the Nevils

1144
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 2: doctor John Arma Thomas. We went to Japan and Australia,

1145
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 2: New Zealand. First night I turned in the bed and

1146
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 2: I tried to turn back my back. I wouldn't turn.

1147
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 2: Aller to do is roll out the bed, crawl to

1148
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 2: the phone and call it the road man, say John's

1149
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 2: come get me. Middle wheelchair. Got to go to the hospital.

1150
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 2: He came and got me, and they they didn't know

1151
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 2: what was wrong, and I could. They didn't understand what

1152
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 2: I was staying. I don't know what they were saying,

1153
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 2: or I was staying pain hurry, pain hurry. It was

1154
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 2: hurting everywhere, and they was giving me vaca and the

1155
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 2: ship and massages and whatever else they do, but none

1156
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 2: of it work. So we over there like a month.

1157
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 2: If I would have left, the gigs would have folded

1158
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,719
Speaker 2: because my record was hit over there. It was everybody

1159
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 2: plays the fool. And so I would tell tell him

1160
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:44,560
Speaker 2: to rule me to the stage in the wheelchair and

1161
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 2: put a chair out on the stage and I stand

1162
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:49,760
Speaker 2: up and I hold hold my thighs because this felt

1163
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 2: like they was opening up with the side of the

1164
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 2: you know, and I had to walk and I sat

1165
01:08:55,280 --> 01:09:00,639
Speaker 2: down on a chair and once I st to singing,

1166
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 2: I didn't pay attention to the paint. I looked at

1167
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 2: the audience and it was in. It was cool until

1168
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 2: the gig was over, and then the paint come back

1169
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 2: and hurt everywhere. So that was like a month. I

1170
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 2: came home. I went to one doctor said, oh, we

1171
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:20,599
Speaker 2: got to go in. I said no, I think I'll

1172
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 2: get another second opinion, and went to another doctor said

1173
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 2: the last thing we want to do, said, uh, said,

1174
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 2: he had had his back operator on and he sent

1175
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 2: me to stress relief chiropractice and he told him to

1176
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:38,320
Speaker 2: do a lot of walking, but also give me in

1177
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 2: the Viking and you know, so you get hooked on him.

1178
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 2: And uh. So that was ninety one. I was off

1179
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 2: and on it, you know. And then about two thousand

1180
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,839
Speaker 2: and two I went into a re have another rehab,

1181
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 2: the same one I haven't had been in.

1182
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:08,799
Speaker 1: So you went to rehab that time. What was different

1183
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 1: about going other than you were in different drugs? What

1184
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 1: was different about going to rehab the second time?

1185
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 2: Well, that's one of the guys, Drew Pinsky, and you

1186
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:21,599
Speaker 2: probably heard him, of course, he said he said one's

1187
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 2: too many and the thousands not enough. Said, damn, that

1188
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 2: makes so much sense. Once too many and a thousand

1189
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:32,640
Speaker 2: not enough. And you know they give you all the

1190
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 2: history of it too, what it's doing to your thing,

1191
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 2: you know. So I got out at and I was off.

1192
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:44,679
Speaker 2: That was like like two thousand and two. Two thousand

1193
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 2: and four, My wife Joelle had had this call and

1194
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 2: she worked at the hospital, and she said, I am

1195
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 2: going to adopt. I know most of the day, you know,

1196
01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 2: and our friend next door doctor Chris Boom. I said, Chris,

1197
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 2: did you come over here and take a look at

1198
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 2: at Joel? And he came over and he checked out

1199
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 2: and he said, Joel, I think you get a cat scan.

1200
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 2: So she went to get a cat scan and the

1201
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 2: doctor said, wow, she had small cell lung cancer right

1202
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 2: close to a trick. So it was inoperable. And doctor,

1203
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 2: so she had three months and something punched me in

1204
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 2: the heart. Joe said, so in other words, you give

1205
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 2: me the death sentence. I said, oh no, that was

1206
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:41,680
Speaker 2: I came up. I can't explain that feeling, you know.

1207
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,639
Speaker 2: So me and her and my sister we started having

1208
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 2: a prayer vision with all the churches and prayer and

1209
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:52,599
Speaker 2: and Joe lived by another three years.

1210
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 1: So now that's a big factor in your life. Religion

1211
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 1: and seeing Jude. Will you ever question your faith or

1212
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 1: you're always a believer.

1213
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 2: Always a believer that people say will get mad and Joe,

1214
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:12,880
Speaker 2: this is God's will. You know, I get mad at

1215
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 2: as Joel. Look God, I say, unless she's going to

1216
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 2: heaven because I watched them go through hell.

1217
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 1: But you also talk about going to pray at the shrine.

1218
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:29,639
Speaker 1: Do you pray today? And do you go to church today.

1219
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 2: I pray I've been doing since the pandemic. I've been

1220
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 2: doing it on TV. I say rose every day and

1221
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 2: watched the Mask and I just got prayers that I say.

1222
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 2: I got a little altar, little peel and kneel on

1223
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 2: and stay prayers looking at at the at the trees

1224
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 2: or whatever.

1225
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 1: You know. Okay, you in the book, you go on

1226
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 1: and on how much you love Joel and you don't

1227
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 1: talk about any third parties. But were you faithful all

1228
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 1: these years?

1229
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:06,640
Speaker 2: That's the meeting known for you to find out. I mean,

1230
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 2: I'll tell you about the the two girls that.

1231
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 1: That time out to.

1232
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened because I was I was inegraated,

1233
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:17,519
Speaker 2: So just leave it at that.

1234
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 1: Okay. So now you know, fire on the bio comes out,

1235
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 1: Bill Graham becomes your manager. So you know, do you

1236
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 1: feel like you really admitted because you were frustrated before?

1237
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 1: What's he experienced?

1238
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 2: Like?

1239
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 1: Now?

1240
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 2: You mean when Bill Graham came in? Yeah, well he

1241
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 2: was knocking doors down for us. You know, it was

1242
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 2: like he was showing us off. You know, this this

1243
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:48,640
Speaker 2: is the nevils how much tell to check him out?

1244
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 2: You know, the Great of Dead Huey Lewis, Santana, Uh

1245
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 2: build his tongue that we went on the Amnesty toil

1246
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 2: with you two and Peter Gable Stinging, John Bias, Miles Davis,

1247
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 2: old bunch of people's on that.

1248
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 1: So you were on tour, you know, constantly, and a

1249
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 1: lot of times with Household and Nemax, you know, the

1250
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 1: Rolling Stones, et cetera. Did you hang with these people?

1251
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 1: Did you become friends or did you pretty much just

1252
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 1: hang with your brothers now?

1253
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 2: Because I was friends at all the man Keith's still

1254
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 2: friends and you know he coporeduced my album, My True Story,

1255
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 2: and Santana. He's like a brother Huey Lewis, you know

1256
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 2: with his name is Jared Goliah He he and I

1257
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 2: used to talk together.

1258
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 1: And how did you meet Linda Ronstaff?

1259
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 2: Well, the nether brothers were playing at the World's Fair

1260
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:59,599
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty four in New Orleans. We were playing

1261
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:04,680
Speaker 2: at Pete Fountains Club on the ground and the Welfare

1262
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:08,760
Speaker 2: and she was Linda was there with Nelson Riddle's band

1263
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 2: at the Amphitheater and after her show she came somebody

1264
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 2: told him that her never brother was playing, so she

1265
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:18,720
Speaker 2: came to see us. Somebody told me she was an

1266
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:23,639
Speaker 2: audience and I dedicated a song to and I call

1267
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 2: up on stage, but she told her. She told the

1268
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 2: press that she don't usually do nothing imprompt like that,

1269
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 2: but she wasn't gonna say no there I never and

1270
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:35,680
Speaker 2: we sang some duop together and all the after the

1271
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 2: expo autograph she stayed to Aaron Love, I'll sing with

1272
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 2: you anytime, any place, anywhere and any key. And it

1273
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 2: was on then. So that was eighty four. Eighty five. Men,

1274
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:54,759
Speaker 2: Alan Howson was starting a thing called New Orleans Artists

1275
01:15:55,600 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 2: Against Honger and Homelessness, and I asked her to come

1276
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 2: down and do the benefit but she so sure, so

1277
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 2: and the manager Peter Ashley, came down and we were

1278
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 2: down at two Cents Studio and the first thing we

1279
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 2: thought to sing together because we both came up Catholic,

1280
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 2: was ive Maria and we sang that in harmony and

1281
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 2: uh peter A said yeah, should do it record together.

1282
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 2: I said, hey, I'm paying for that, and Linda was damned.

1283
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 2: So you know, that was eighty five, So it took

1284
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 2: a couple of years, but it was right on time,

1285
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 2: you know. When she called me to do the four

1286
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:42,680
Speaker 2: songs on Cry like a Ryan Stone, and we did

1287
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 2: don't know much And I told her Mesh at the Grammars,

1288
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 2: I was joking, but not joking because it was that

1289
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:54,640
Speaker 2: great of a song, you know, And sure enough, so

1290
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 2: I still missed up. We talked, you know, every a

1291
01:16:58,160 --> 01:16:59,560
Speaker 2: few days a week or something like that.

1292
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 1: So what was it like having that level of success

1293
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 1: after all these years?

1294
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 2: That was great? Man. I was able to do a

1295
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 2: lot of Joel and kids and all, and you know

1296
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 2: that right them and the wrongs and life is good.

1297
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 1: So is this all instinctive? You don't have to rehearse?

1298
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 1: You can just show up and sing no problem back then?

1299
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no doubt.

1300
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 1: So then you're working with your brothers, you ultimately make

1301
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 1: solo albums. Do you feel at this end that you've

1302
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 1: gotten the respect and achieved the success you deserve?

1303
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 2: I think so, you know, I'm not. I appreciate the

1304
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:52,720
Speaker 2: people that bought my records and came to my constrations

1305
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 2: and all. And I ain't got no regrets, you know.

1306
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 1: And you know you're on your brother the road with

1307
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:03,640
Speaker 1: your brothers. The money has to be split, you know,

1308
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:06,640
Speaker 1: four ways, never mind the other players. How are you,

1309
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 1: how did you do? And how are you doing financially?

1310
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 2: But it did good, I mean, you know it as ways.

1311
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 2: But I's done the record with Lenda that opened a

1312
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:18,560
Speaker 2: lot of doors. So it's you know, then when I

1313
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:24,720
Speaker 2: did the Judge Johnson granted that open Country people, you know,

1314
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:35,600
Speaker 2: and m we did good, you know, and like I

1315
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:38,599
Speaker 2: feel like I played but the baddest band in the land,

1316
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 2: the Neville Brothers. Like this guy named Eric Copp used

1317
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 2: to be a tech man and played keyboard it. He

1318
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 2: used to announces the New Orleans the Mighty Mighty Never

1319
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 2: brother They used to run a chill when they say

1320
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:53,759
Speaker 2: that because we were in Mighty Mighty Never Brothers.

1321
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 1: And so you know, there's a hit you get performing

1322
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 1: live you can't get sitting here your living room. So

1323
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 1: what was the key to winning the audience over? What

1324
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:09,639
Speaker 1: do you mean you show up on stage, you get

1325
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: big applause. How do you make sure the audience is

1326
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:15,800
Speaker 1: with you and lift the audience up through the show.

1327
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:18,680
Speaker 2: Just don't go fake and be you be real? You know,

1328
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 2: do what you do. This is what I do. I'm

1329
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 2: not gonna tap dance and jump up and down. I'm

1330
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 2: gonna say, you know, and I'm gonna make my voice

1331
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:32,599
Speaker 2: touch you say something in you because it touches something

1332
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:32,800
Speaker 2: in me.

1333
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 1: Okay, you start to gain success everywhere you go, do

1334
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:39,680
Speaker 1: people recognize you?

1335
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, well man, heyp and so you like that

1336
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:49,560
Speaker 2: or do you not like that? It's cool? You know

1337
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 2: when when we're living in the city, we'll be walking

1338
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:55,599
Speaker 2: down the street and all of a sudden you might

1339
01:19:55,680 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 2: hear somebody hit the bridge legend, oh she and stuff

1340
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 2: like that. You know, that's that's cool.

1341
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:09,679
Speaker 1: And how about ultimately being on TV and in movies?

1342
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 1: How did that come about?

1343
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 2: And did you enjoy that? I did? Uh? I think

1344
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 2: the first time I did was with Dennis Quid and

1345
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 2: John Goodman and Jessica Lang and Timothy Hutton on Everybody's

1346
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 2: All American, which they did done in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

1347
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:28,880
Speaker 2: Then I did it one in New Orleans but uh,

1348
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 2: Zander Lee but who was it? J Ryan Hull and

1349
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 2: Nicholas Cage and I forget the latest name. Anyway, I

1350
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 2: played a bartime in that one. I played a jail

1351
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 2: a jail cell buddy with Mickey Rope in a movie

1352
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:56,959
Speaker 2: called The Last Ride. So you know, it was all cool.

1353
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 1: And then Joel dies, But ultimately you meet your new

1354
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:04,800
Speaker 1: wife who's a photographer. How does that happen?

1355
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 2: How does that happen? Joe died January fifth, two thousand

1356
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 2: and seven. And I was a basket case. The doctor

1357
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:19,639
Speaker 2: gave me some kind of nerve pure for my nerves

1358
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 2: and stuff, and every time I laid on it felt

1359
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 2: like little things creatures were scurring around on the bed. Said,

1360
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:29,800
Speaker 2: now I can't take this. But meanwhile, Joelle had all

1361
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 2: this narcotics, said that she didn't want to take. She

1362
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 2: had morphine, the uh percose perkadan, but the other one

1363
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:45,600
Speaker 2: is that I can't think of the name of it.

1364
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:49,760
Speaker 2: But anyway, she had all this drugs. So I went

1365
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 2: to that because that's it was familiar. And then but

1366
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 2: that ran out. I would get the doctors the right prescription.

1367
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 2: I could get them on this street, you know. And

1368
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:06,640
Speaker 2: uh so two thousand and eight, you know, I was

1369
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:10,720
Speaker 2: I had to go on the road. Nobody else knew

1370
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:12,600
Speaker 2: what I was going through. You know. That was my

1371
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:19,400
Speaker 2: my solo. Uh that was just for me. And uh

1372
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:27,919
Speaker 2: let's see it get kind of emotional, you know. Anyway,

1373
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:36,720
Speaker 2: the Nevills was going back Joell after after she was

1374
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 2: diagnosed with the cancer. Hurricane Katrina came in two thousand

1375
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 2: and five, so we moved to Nashville, and that's where

1376
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 2: she died in Nashville. And uh, like I said, took

1377
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 2: all those drugs and May. Matter of fact, I met

1378
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 2: Dreell in May, and I met Sarah and two thousand

1379
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:07,519
Speaker 2: and eight people magazines sent out to to photograph the

1380
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:11,919
Speaker 2: Nevels for their return to the Jazz best since Katrina.

1381
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:17,439
Speaker 2: And we did it at the Nevile's office up on

1382
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 2: the balcony, and when I saw something about it, I

1383
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 2: just I don't usually do that, but it's just my

1384
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 2: eyes caught hers and I just never stopped looking at

1385
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:35,520
Speaker 2: the whole time she was taking it. She was so professional,

1386
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 2: you know she and she got pictures just right. And

1387
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 2: after the session was over, everybody else left and I

1388
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:48,360
Speaker 2: stuck around until she had never heard of never Bro.

1389
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 2: So I'll give up a copy on my book and

1390
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:55,680
Speaker 2: I give let her hear some of the music and on,

1391
01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:59,680
Speaker 2: and I asked my phone numb. She gave me an

1392
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 2: office number, and I waited a couple of days and

1393
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 2: I called and it was cool. And also I started

1394
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:13,679
Speaker 2: calling every other day and we got start getting closer,

1395
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 2: and so I'd go up to New York and be

1396
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 2: with them. By that time, I moved from Nashville to

1397
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 2: coming to Louisiana. That's like about on a half from

1398
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 2: New Orleans across the lake. And so she would come

1399
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 2: there sometime and I backs and forwards and the next thing,

1400
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:47,720
Speaker 2: and it's talking about moving together and uh, and were

1401
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 2: trying to make sure we could, you know, buy something

1402
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 2: together and all. And so I want to check my

1403
01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 2: credit and stuff. And she'd look at the credit and

1404
01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 2: my credit was down in the dumps. And I thought

1405
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 2: everything on up and up, but she started looking and

1406
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 2: finding all kinds of discrepancies. Uh, things getting was missing.

1407
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:17,120
Speaker 2: A lot of money was missing, and the business manager

1408
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:21,160
Speaker 2: we had to wind up sewing to get some of

1409
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 2: the money back. And so anyway back and forth from

1410
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 2: New York. One time she was in Coventant and was

1411
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 2: getting ready to go out to dinner, and I want

1412
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 2: my pocket to get the cookies and and pull the

1413
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:43,759
Speaker 2: cockies out of about ten vikings fell on the ground

1414
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 2: and Sarah she had and Data is a guy who

1415
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 2: who was the drug addict before, and she knew what

1416
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:52,760
Speaker 2: it was about. She said oh no, not this ship again. No,

1417
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 2: So I had to make a choice. I gave her

1418
01:25:56,240 --> 01:25:59,040
Speaker 2: had about two hundred pills and gave U she's just

1419
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 2: this caught it. That was it number over. So here

1420
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 2: I am. But this November we'll be married thirteen years.

1421
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:20,040
Speaker 1: Wow. Great story. Let's go back to New Orleans. To

1422
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 1: what degree is New Orleans although you don't live there

1423
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:25,840
Speaker 1: anymore the same or is it different? After Katrina?

1424
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 2: It was different? I mean it was like that water

1425
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:32,600
Speaker 2: is sit there for so long and then telling them

1426
01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 2: what was in that water from all of the like

1427
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:37,880
Speaker 2: they have these train cars out on the facts with

1428
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:41,839
Speaker 2: all these different chemicals in it and all that everything

1429
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 2: people had under this, you know, under cleaning, under the

1430
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:49,599
Speaker 2: sink and dead folks, all that was in that water.

1431
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 2: I had that friend of mine who still lived on

1432
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:56,559
Speaker 2: that they she had never had an allergy, but now

1433
01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 2: she had to get a shot alleges shot every month.

1434
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:00,720
Speaker 2: So I don't know.

1435
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:03,840
Speaker 1: And what about your kids? What are your kids up to?

1436
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:05,640
Speaker 1: And to what degree do you have a connection and

1437
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 1: support them?

1438
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:09,599
Speaker 2: They talk all the time. Well, you know I haven't.

1439
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:13,920
Speaker 2: He's on the road a lot, my son Jason, him

1440
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 2: and his wife, they have a band Jason nevan Is

1441
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:20,519
Speaker 2: Funker Stole Band. They do a lot of new all

1442
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 2: and stuff, but they did that sound too. They was

1443
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:26,760
Speaker 2: just in somewhere in Mexico or a son airon. He

1444
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:30,920
Speaker 2: does some kind of jobs. My daughter in the staying

1445
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:34,200
Speaker 2: seat waits for the Civil sheriff Department.

1446
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 1: Okay, Aaron, I want to thank you so much for

1447
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 1: taking time with my audience. You know, these stories are

1448
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 1: amplified and they're a lot more in his book, which

1449
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:49,040
Speaker 1: is very easy to read. So once again, Aaron, thanks

1450
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:50,719
Speaker 1: for taking the time to tell your stories.

1451
01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:51,840
Speaker 2: Thanks for listening.

1452
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:56,760
Speaker 1: Bob, you bet. Until next time. This is Bob left

1453
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 1: sets

1454
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 2: Sh