Speaker 1: Hey guys. I'm Rachel and I'm Ali and welcome you
Speaker 1: guys to a very special edition of Bachelor Happy Hour.
Speaker 1: Very special edition. It is Ali because normally when we
Speaker 1: bring you a new podcast, we bring it to you
Speaker 1: every week, but sometimes if something big happens, which is
Speaker 1: what we promised you when we have breaking news, we
Speaker 1: will bring it to you, and that's what we're bringing
Speaker 1: to you right now. In this extra special edition. Rachel
Speaker 1: is in New York, so she's calling in. Hey Rachel. Yeah, Ali,
Speaker 1: I could not miss this. I know, I know, we
Speaker 1: really knew that you all have so many questions about
Speaker 1: Jed and the Hannah situation, and we wanted to get
Speaker 1: answers for you guys, so we decided instead of waiting
Speaker 1: until next week for our podcast, we were going to
Speaker 1: have this special I guess we'd like to say emergency
Speaker 1: edition of Bachelor Happy Hour, so you guys can get
Speaker 1: your questions answered. Jed flew in last night to Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: and he is coming. He's sitting down with this. He's
Speaker 1: sitting actually, he's sitting right across from me right now,
Speaker 1: so let me not talk about him like he's in
Speaker 1: the third person. Jed welcome to to our podcast. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for being here. Thank you all so
Speaker 1: much for having me. Okay, Jed, we know you're tired,
Speaker 1: we know you're exhausted. We don't want to take up
Speaker 1: a whole lot of your time, but we definitely just
Speaker 1: want to get right to it, right Ali, Yes, all right, Okay, people,
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Speaker 1: just to start it off, what do you want people
Speaker 1: to know right now? I think the main thing really
Speaker 1: is just how how sorry I am. You know, I've
Speaker 1: just really had time to think about the things that
Speaker 1: have happened and how Hannah has felt, and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm very remorseful and ultimately just want to become a
Speaker 1: better person because of all this, and that's really my
Speaker 1: main thing right now. But Jed, you know, we we
Speaker 1: I saw your interview on GMA, we watched it. We
Speaker 1: saw you on Afar where you apologized, and I feel
Speaker 1: like that that's what we've gotten from you. You You seem
Speaker 1: very sincere. You seem very remorseful about the whole situation
Speaker 1: and how it went down, and we understand that absolutely.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's more to it. We've heard you apologize,
Speaker 1: but we haven't heard your side of the story, and
Speaker 1: we really want to give you a chance for you
Speaker 1: to just speak freely and tell your side of what happened,
Speaker 1: because I don't think anybody's heard it to this point,
Speaker 1: and Jed too. I want to say, like I want
Speaker 1: you to feel comfortable in the situation because I feel
Speaker 1: for you. Oh my goodness, like you have been through
Speaker 1: Like I what you did obviously is wrong. You know that, right.
Speaker 1: You've apologize for it very sincerely, I believe, and I
Speaker 1: don't even fault you for going on the show for
Speaker 1: your music. I've been very vocal about this since the
Speaker 1: notion that people go on the show because they want
Speaker 1: to have a good time. Nobody goes on the show
Speaker 1: thinking they're going to fall in love and then they
Speaker 1: do and they're like, oh my gosh, this works. I
Speaker 1: can't believe it works. So I don't fault you. If
Speaker 1: I want to muse a career right now and the
Speaker 1: Bachelor asked me to come on, I'd be like to
Speaker 1: my husband, Hey, can you just hang tight because I'm
Speaker 1: going to go on a Bachelor. So I don't even
Speaker 1: fault you for that. But that's what I think. I think, Like,
Speaker 1: like we're do you feel like it kind of all
Speaker 1: really messed up, really got messed up for you, like
Speaker 1: just talk us through all of it. Yeah, So, like
Speaker 1: I like I told Hannah, you know I did, I
Speaker 1: did show up because I knew it was a platform.
Speaker 1: I knew that it had a lot of opportunities for adventure,
Speaker 1: and then coming out of it, you know, all the
Speaker 1: people that I've seen seem like they have like a
Speaker 1: pretty amazing life. So that was all very intriguing to me.
Speaker 1: I was reached out to to do the show. I
Speaker 1: didn't sign up, and I just really felt like it
Speaker 1: was something I was supposed to do. It just landed
Speaker 1: in my lap. And you know, once I was there
Speaker 1: and I saw how emotional Hannah was and how passionate
Speaker 1: she was about the whole thing, it kind of hit me.
Speaker 1: I was like, I can remember I believe it was
Speaker 1: like within the second week that you know, this is real,
Speaker 1: This is a this is a real person. Though I
Speaker 1: don't know her that well, we haven't had much time
Speaker 1: to talk, I can see that her heart is in
Speaker 1: this and that was kind of the turning point for
Speaker 1: me that I was like, you know what, I want
Speaker 1: to really investigate this more, and you know, going forward,
Speaker 1: I could feel myself falling. So I wanted to be
Speaker 1: honest with her, and if that meant her sitting me
Speaker 1: home immediately, then so be it. But I wanted her
Speaker 1: to know the honest truth as to why I showed up,
Speaker 1: and you know, going forward, you know, people asked me now, like,
Speaker 1: you know you were so honest about that, why weren't
Speaker 1: you honest about the whole Haley situation? And in my head,
Speaker 1: you know, I had more closure than Haley. I I
Speaker 1: felt like, you know, we had a conversation on the
Speaker 1: phone once I landed in LA and we knew that
Speaker 1: I was stepping into a very unforeseen future and that
Speaker 1: anything could happen. We had talked about all the variables
Speaker 1: and you know, be that like if they wanted me
Speaker 1: to be the Bachelor or something or Paradise or anything.
Speaker 1: Falling in love like it was discussed and understood that
Speaker 1: you know who knows, right, So was it That's a
Speaker 1: great great I love that you just shared that, Because
Speaker 1: then let's look at the IE love you right before?
Speaker 1: So was that like a goodbye I love you? It was? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I really did care for Haley. You know, we had
Speaker 1: a great time together. Obviously going on the show, there
Speaker 1: was not stable ground to actually commit to an exclusive
Speaker 1: relationship together, like we just we never did that. So
Speaker 1: I mean I did love her. I did care for her. Um,
Speaker 1: she's a great person. I will not talk about about her.
Speaker 1: There's nothing bad to be said. But in my head,
Speaker 1: we had more closure than I think she did. I
Speaker 1: felt like we had more closure than I guess she did. So,
Speaker 1: you know, going into the journey, it wasn't crossing my
Speaker 1: mind because you know, I felt like we understood that
Speaker 1: anything could happen. Yeah, I mean, obviously, go ahead, Rachel. Well,
Speaker 1: I just want to ask you this just piggybacking on
Speaker 1: what you mentioned before. When you left that note to
Speaker 1: Haley and you make comments that are like you know
Speaker 1: where where my heart will be and I'll see you
Speaker 1: at the dock, that sounds like you're trying to you
Speaker 1: plan on returning to her. So if that's how you
Speaker 1: left her, how do you explain that? What does that mean?
Speaker 1: I think? Actually, I know I was just really kind
Speaker 1: of talking out of my ass. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: really know why I would say something like that when
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't know what I was getting into
Speaker 1: at all. Like I had not watched I collectively, I've
Speaker 1: probably seen maybe three episodes of the show in my life.
Speaker 1: I had no idea what I was getting into, and
Speaker 1: you know, just I thought I was showing up for
Speaker 1: a platform, and then I met Hannah and completely fell
Speaker 1: in love and I was like, you know, wow, this
Speaker 1: was like completely unexpected. So but Jed, yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: So I'll just preface this by saying I don't agree
Speaker 1: with Ali. I have a different view of how I
Speaker 1: interpret the situation. Sure, And so when you say I
Speaker 1: too as well. Did not watch the show before I
Speaker 1: was on it, But I understood that the concept of
Speaker 1: the show, which I'm I'm sure you did too as well, right,
Speaker 1: I understood that how the show works for the for
Speaker 1: the most part, I thought I understood, but you know,
Speaker 1: it's one of those things that want even even if
Speaker 1: you think you get it, once you're there, it's a
Speaker 1: completely different situation. And I get that. I know the
Speaker 1: show is about people finding love at the end of
Speaker 1: the day. You did know that, right, ye? Go ahead, Jed? Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: Like I could see that entirely. But it's like I
Speaker 1: had no idea that it would actually be possible in
Speaker 1: that sett inc like it just when you when even
Speaker 1: with watching, like I didn't watch the show much because
Speaker 1: to me, it didn't seem real, like when you watch
Speaker 1: the edits and you see how people act and react
Speaker 1: it looks like it looks fake. And I had people
Speaker 1: in my ear prior to the show telling me it's scripted,
Speaker 1: that there's going to be people coming at you trying
Speaker 1: to fight you. On nine one, like, I had all
Speaker 1: these variables going through my head and I had literally
Speaker 1: no idea what I was getting into. So I'm and
Speaker 1: I think that's fair Jet, Like I will say, and
Speaker 1: you know that I went on the show thinking it
Speaker 1: was BS like I didn't think that I was actually
Speaker 1: I mean, I did fall in love with Jason Mesnick
Speaker 1: story again, this is way back in the day, but like, again,
Speaker 1: did not. I think most people don't go on the
Speaker 1: show for love, and that's the truth. That's my honest opinion.
Speaker 1: So I truly don't fault you for it, And I
Speaker 1: think that's interesting. I think a lot of viewers watch
Speaker 1: the show and wonder is it scripted? Is it fake?
Speaker 1: And it's not. But you don't realize that until you
Speaker 1: get there. You don't realize that the emotions are real,
Speaker 1: the feelings are real. So I feel that I think
Speaker 1: jed for me like I have been, and maybe people
Speaker 1: get mad at me for this. I've actually been quite
Speaker 1: a cheerleader for you, you like, in terms of I
Speaker 1: don't blame you for going on the show for music.
Speaker 1: When you came out with that information to Hannah, I
Speaker 1: was like, heck, yes, finally somebody says the truth. They
Speaker 1: didn't come on the show for love. So I actually
Speaker 1: really appreciated that. I think for me where all sort
Speaker 1: of fell apart was. I know you say you didn't
Speaker 1: want to tell Hannah out of fear, but when you
Speaker 1: had to have realized when the information came out at
Speaker 1: that point, the fear is kind of out the window.
Speaker 1: I mean, so why then still were you sort of
Speaker 1: not being completely because even when you sat down with her,
Speaker 1: not after the final rows, before that, I feel like
Speaker 1: you were trying to talk your way around it. That
Speaker 1: was one of the hardest conversations I've had in my life.
Speaker 1: And if it seemed like I was dancing around anything,
Speaker 1: it was simply because there were cameras in my face
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting there with someone that I wanted to
Speaker 1: spend the rest of my life with, feeling like it's
Speaker 1: falling apart and not knowing how to handle it. It
Speaker 1: was just so much. Did you not watch it? I've
Speaker 1: I couldn't. To be honest, I couldn't do it. I
Speaker 1: mean this has all been so much, and especially going
Speaker 1: into you know, it was first aired when you know,
Speaker 1: right before I went to After the Final Rose, and
Speaker 1: I was in my trailer so I couldn't watch it live,
Speaker 1: so I just walked in there kind of blind. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I think we saw some emotion. You know,
Speaker 1: you said I don't want to cry, and we saw
Speaker 1: a few tears, But I think what we really wanted
Speaker 1: to see, like as a viewer, was your fighting for
Speaker 1: the woman that you love in that point. Do you
Speaker 1: feel you gave it your all to save that relationship? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: I mean I had let her know that I would
Speaker 1: you do anything. I would come to La to Alabama.
Speaker 1: I would have done like literally anything to sit down
Speaker 1: and have a conversation with her. And this is you know,
Speaker 1: prior to or this is after the where she broke
Speaker 1: the engagement. Leading up to that point, she didn't want
Speaker 1: to talk. She needed space, and I understood that. So
Speaker 1: I mean I would have done literally anything. Yeah? Did
Speaker 1: did your Your family had to have known about Haley, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean they knew exactly what we were and they
Speaker 1: knew that it was not a relationship. They knew. They
Speaker 1: knew like every bit of it. Oh, because I assume
Speaker 1: maybe when during your hometown that the reason they were
Speaker 1: hesitant is because they're like, well, wait, he was just
Speaker 1: in another relationship. Like did your sister or your mom
Speaker 1: or anybody off camera say, hey, whoa, you were just
Speaker 1: in a relationship. No. The only thing they were saying
Speaker 1: to me off camera was is this really? Do you
Speaker 1: really feel this way? They were just skeptical to the whole,
Speaker 1: like there's cameras around, there's lights, there's people running around
Speaker 1: our house. I walk in with a girl I'm feeling
Speaker 1: head over heels about and they were just totally blown away.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like when I watched back on that, especially
Speaker 1: with the whole Haley than coming out, I can see
Speaker 1: where people would say they knew or it felt like
Speaker 1: they were acting the way they did because of that,
Speaker 1: and that was not the case at all. Like I
Speaker 1: talked to them after, I was like, like, be honest
Speaker 1: with me, was any of this because of that situation?
Speaker 1: And they it just wasn't. Well. Then jed, why did
Speaker 1: Hannah say when she was sitting with you in the
Speaker 1: house and all you all were discussing the People magazine
Speaker 1: and Haley and everything with that. Why did Hannah say, no,
Speaker 1: wonder your family was acting like that, because obviously it's
Speaker 1: something that she felt as well. Absolutely, I think it
Speaker 1: was just the heat of the moment and that discussion, because,
Speaker 1: like I said, it was the hardest conversation that we
Speaker 1: have ever had and the weight of it. I can
Speaker 1: see where she would be led to fill that way,
Speaker 1: But I know for a fact that that wasn't the case. Jed.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, and I'm going to go
Speaker 1: back a bit because I told you, Ali and I
Speaker 1: have differing views on how this whole thing played out.
Speaker 1: When I am like you, I came onto the show skeptical,
Speaker 1: didn't believe it could work out, but was open to
Speaker 1: whatever opportunity presented itself, whether that be love, whether that
Speaker 1: be friendship, whether that be a platform after this, like
Speaker 1: you said, and I think that's how most people come
Speaker 1: on the show. I think what gets me about the
Speaker 1: way you came on the show, coupled with the messages
Speaker 1: that we saw from Haley, is that you admit that
Speaker 1: you came on the show with different motives. You came
Speaker 1: on the show technically to deceive Hannah. Right, you just
Speaker 1: happened to fall in love with her as the show
Speaker 1: went on, and you were pleasantly surprised. Guy. So I
Speaker 1: guess my question, and maybe this is a burning question
Speaker 1: for a lot of people out there, how did you
Speaker 1: envision this going? Like? How far were you willing to
Speaker 1: take it to grow your platform? Because that was your
Speaker 1: initial intention to come on the show. What I had
Speaker 1: told a lot of people prior to going on this show,
Speaker 1: all my friends, was you know that I am open,
Speaker 1: like you said, to anything that could happen, and if
Speaker 1: it was love, I just I would tell everyone I
Speaker 1: just don't see that happening. There's no way that that
Speaker 1: could happen in that setting. I was open to the idea, though,
Speaker 1: and were you? Yeah? I did Haley know that? Because
Speaker 1: I just feel like everything that you've said has been
Speaker 1: I came on for the platform. I've never heard you
Speaker 1: say that you were open to finding love on the show.
Speaker 1: So I just want to be clear, right, Well, I
Speaker 1: god knows if it still there or not. But when
Speaker 1: I had my interviews in Nashville, when they kind of
Speaker 1: did like my hometown piece think when I was interviewed there,
Speaker 1: I can remember being asked if or if I thought
Speaker 1: that it would be possible to fall in love there,
Speaker 1: and I remember being just like, you know, I'm open
Speaker 1: to it. I just I doubt it. I just I
Speaker 1: didn't believe in it. I didn't think it was going
Speaker 1: to be possible and my heart was open to it,
Speaker 1: and I talked to multiple people and said that I
Speaker 1: was open to the idea of it. I just didn't
Speaker 1: feel like it was feasible. So and I think another
Speaker 1: question that people want to know is if you came
Speaker 1: on the show for a platform, why didn't you just
Speaker 1: go on American Idol or the Voice I have? You know,
Speaker 1: I was it just landed in my lap. I mean,
Speaker 1: like I said, it wasn't like I was out scouting
Speaker 1: for TV shows to go onto. I was, you know,
Speaker 1: I was happy, I was living life and I was
Speaker 1: reached out to to do it and it just kind
Speaker 1: of lighted in my lap. So I felt like it
Speaker 1: was kind of a god thing and I just ran
Speaker 1: with it. That's fair. Um, do you my one thing
Speaker 1: I've really been wondering because I really think about Haley
Speaker 1: and this right she it seems like her heart was
Speaker 1: broken in this. Absolutely have you talked to her. We
Speaker 1: have ran into each other in passing and talked briefly,
Speaker 1: but I haven't had the chance to like really go
Speaker 1: into any of this. Where where did you see each other?
Speaker 1: We ran into each other at a bar, and like
Speaker 1: what was said? Because it was this before after she
Speaker 1: gave her story. This was before she gave her story.
Speaker 1: Oh right, So she came up to me and you know,
Speaker 1: we're surrounded by people. This is like right when I
Speaker 1: got back from the show. I believe one episode had
Speaker 1: played at this point, and people were like videoing me
Speaker 1: standing there. I was trying to have some conversation with
Speaker 1: my friends, and she walked right up to me and
Speaker 1: she was like, you know, you weren't going to call
Speaker 1: you weren't gonna like say anything. And I just told
Speaker 1: her that I didn't feel like this was the time
Speaker 1: or place to have this conversation. And after that I
Speaker 1: kind of discussed with Hannah that she had been I
Speaker 1: had heard that she was throwing fits at bars and
Speaker 1: like throwing beer bottles and like making a scene, so
Speaker 1: I knew she was obviously pissed and rightfully so. And
Speaker 1: I felt like that was the point where I wanted
Speaker 1: to like say something, and so to Haley. Discussed with
Speaker 1: Hannah that I think that I should have this conversation
Speaker 1: with her, and Hannah was, you know, kind of brushing
Speaker 1: it off and making jokes about it. But we came
Speaker 1: to terms that I should just give her a call.
Speaker 1: So I did give Haley a call and she ignored
Speaker 1: it and never called me back. Oh okay, So I
Speaker 1: guess my question is, then, at that point, were you
Speaker 1: afraid that you heard that Hailey was causing a scene,
Speaker 1: you know, in Nashville. Were you afraid at that point
Speaker 1: that maybe she might do something bigger? Did you think
Speaker 1: she might go to the press. I really honestly didn't think. So. Okay,
Speaker 1: So you said that you talked to Hannah prior to
Speaker 1: maybe I think and correct me if I have the
Speaker 1: timeline wrong, but maybe a couple of days after the
Speaker 1: proposal you told Hannah about this girl Haley. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: actually I told her the morning after our engagement, and
Speaker 1: we were laying in bed and we started disgusting or
Speaker 1: disgusting talking about our past relationships, and I ran her
Speaker 1: through literally everything that I have done, like my mistakes,
Speaker 1: the stages of just like sleeping around the people I
Speaker 1: love thought. I love like we talked about everything. I'd
Speaker 1: never been honestly so open about my past as someone
Speaker 1: or felt like I even could. I was just I
Speaker 1: felt like I could be completely open. So we talked
Speaker 1: about that and when we talked about Haley, but I
Speaker 1: really gave more so my perspective on our relationship, and
Speaker 1: I could see now, I can see now that I
Speaker 1: was not being mindful to how Haley was feeling. I
Speaker 1: was giving my side, my closure, my idea, but without
Speaker 1: thinking about how she might have been feeling in the situation.
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Speaker 1: I think the hard part is with that is, Hey,
Speaker 1: this is the thing. You're twenty five, you're twenty five.
Speaker 1: You're a musician. You know, in Nashville, when I was
Speaker 1: twenty five, I mean I was twenty five, I was
Speaker 1: the bachel right but right before that, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: going out, I'm partying, I'm dating guys. I'm dating multiple guys,
Speaker 1: like you know. I think Rachel's actually talked about this.
Speaker 1: Why we think that maybe you know, it's the age
Speaker 1: on the show should be a higher age because at
Speaker 1: that age you're still kind of having fun, right, so
Speaker 1: I get all of that completely. I think what the
Speaker 1: hard part is to understand is the saying like I'll
Speaker 1: wait for you, meet you at the dock, or I
Speaker 1: remember what you said, and then thinking that that was
Speaker 1: and then going and telling Hannah, you know you thought
Speaker 1: that it was over right, Like, I don't understand. I
Speaker 1: can't connect those two things, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people listening or and
Speaker 1: I think that same thing. So I want to give
Speaker 1: you the opportunity to sort of explain that, right. I
Speaker 1: would really like to touch on the dock. And a
Speaker 1: lot of people will probably not believe this, but if
Speaker 1: you went to Haley and even asked her, she would
Speaker 1: tell you the truth on this, I would hope. But
Speaker 1: the doc is a metaphorical thing for meditation that I
Speaker 1: taught her. That's what it was. It was not a
Speaker 1: physical doc, and to the public eye, it's going to
Speaker 1: look like an actual doc. And when I read that
Speaker 1: note back, I was like, damn it, that looks like
Speaker 1: I'm saying, let's meet at this dock. But I practice meditation.
Speaker 1: I'm passionate about it. It was something that I taught
Speaker 1: her to do to go to this dock in her
Speaker 1: mind and to like sit there and be at peace,
Speaker 1: and that's what that was. It's so funny. I wish
Speaker 1: you came out and said that right away because that's
Speaker 1: so interesting, you know what I mean, Like I just
Speaker 1: like when I read it back, I was like, there's
Speaker 1: no way anyone would ever believe me on this, but
Speaker 1: it's it's the truth. Like it's the truth. I would
Speaker 1: take a lie detector test, like I would do anything
Speaker 1: like to say or to prove that that is true.
Speaker 1: And I know that Haley, you know, despite all this
Speaker 1: and her anger and being hurt, I know she would
Speaker 1: tell the truth and say that that was a metaphor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I actually believe you. Un I'm looking at you, staring
Speaker 1: you directly in the eyes, and I can tell you're
Speaker 1: telling the truth right now, So a hundred pers and
Speaker 1: believe you. And I think that does make it different,
Speaker 1: Like I think I'm glad you're getting the opportunity to
Speaker 1: share that because I think saying you've been very clear
Speaker 1: that you loved her, or at least what you thought
Speaker 1: was love at the time, and saying I'll meet you
Speaker 1: at the dock, and seeing that's a meditation point, like
Speaker 1: that I can see that as almost like a goodbye.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of doing this unknown, like I don't know
Speaker 1: what's going to happen for us. I see that now,
Speaker 1: But what I didn't I didn't see it when I
Speaker 1: thought you were literally meeting her at a dock. I know.
Speaker 1: And that's what like when I read the noteback, I
Speaker 1: was liked, like, literally everyone is going to think this
Speaker 1: and not believe this, but well, sorry, Jed, go ahead, No,
Speaker 1: you're go ahead. You have to understand that. The first
Speaker 1: sentence before that is you know where my heart will be?
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you owe Haley and apology? And
Speaker 1: are you going to talk to her? I really just
Speaker 1: need time to digest everything that has happened. Obviously it's
Speaker 1: been a lot. It's been a lot for Hannah, it's
Speaker 1: been a lot for our family, has been a lot
Speaker 1: for me. And you know, I would like to say
Speaker 1: my piece to her, but it would just it would
Speaker 1: take time. I just need time. Yeah, Once you propose
Speaker 1: to Hannah and then the next day you told Hannah
Speaker 1: about Haley, then you went home, were you like, oh god,
Speaker 1: what like I have to tell Haley something like why
Speaker 1: did you decide to ghost her? I guess I'm more thinking,
Speaker 1: did you ever think at some point I have to
Speaker 1: confront Haley again? I felt like I had closure. It's
Speaker 1: clear to me that she did not at all, obviously,
Speaker 1: but due to our discussions about me stepping into this
Speaker 1: unforeseen future and that anything could happen, I really and
Speaker 1: honestly assumed that, you know, it was understood that whatever
Speaker 1: happens happens, and we wanted the best for one another,
Speaker 1: So you truly felt like I just want to be
Speaker 1: clear that when you since you whatever happens happened, and
Speaker 1: what happened was so you were in gauge to Hannah,
Speaker 1: you felt like the door was closed with Haley at
Speaker 1: that point, and you didn't know her an explanation. Like
Speaker 1: I said, again, we had closure over the phone. I
Speaker 1: kind of thought that that was what it was like.
Speaker 1: We knew that anything could happen, and we wanted the
Speaker 1: best for each other, and not out of disrespect, not
Speaker 1: out of like hate or anger. We just understood that,
Speaker 1: you know, anything could happen. And I mean, I now
Speaker 1: see that I was, you know, well, I wasn't like
Speaker 1: wrong for feeling how I felt, because I cared about
Speaker 1: her and I told her that, and I was clearly
Speaker 1: open about that to her. But I can see how
Speaker 1: she's hurt. Like, I understand all of that, Jedna, I
Speaker 1: believe you. And I guess the reason I just I
Speaker 1: feel so much free in the situation is because I
Speaker 1: could have been in your situation, because I have been
Speaker 1: very open that I had a boyfriend before I went
Speaker 1: on the show. He treated me like dirt and cheated
Speaker 1: on me like every weekend. But I couldn't get out
Speaker 1: of the relationship, so I went on The Bachelor to
Speaker 1: get out of that relationship to help me move on.
Speaker 1: I think the last text I sent before I went
Speaker 1: on the show was I love you to him. I'm
Speaker 1: actually pretty sure it was. So I think people are
Speaker 1: going to have a hard time understanding, and I don't
Speaker 1: because again, I've been in your shoes kind of um.
Speaker 1: But people are still and I feel like I'm trying
Speaker 1: to put words in your mouth. But I feel like
Speaker 1: I understand that, whereas people listening are going to be like,
Speaker 1: I still don't get it. You don't say I love you,
Speaker 1: and you know what it was said before, I'll meet
Speaker 1: you at the dock or whatever something else. Well, where
Speaker 1: was the text message that said, whatever happens happens. Where
Speaker 1: was the text I think that's where people get lost.
Speaker 1: Where's the text message that says, you know, I'm open
Speaker 1: to whatever. We have an understanding. That's what's lacking, right,
Speaker 1: And I think that's what's hard for people to under stand.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I doubt you, Jed. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that, you know, when it comes to the hard
Speaker 1: facts and the evidence, we only see Lawyer Rachel that Haley.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I decide that Haley's bringing right. But I
Speaker 1: will say that I truly do believe that you fell
Speaker 1: in love with Hannah on the show, and I think
Speaker 1: Ali and I both agree with that. I believe you
Speaker 1: fell in love with her. I believe that you got
Speaker 1: scared when you know by the love that you were feeling,
Speaker 1: and then by knowing what you had left at home,
Speaker 1: and you just kind of it seems like you just
Speaker 1: panicked and thought, I don't know, maybe it'll all just disappear. Right.
Speaker 1: I'll say this, Um, I don't think you have to
Speaker 1: be in a labeled relationship to love someone. I really don't.
Speaker 1: And that was the case. And I'm also confused as
Speaker 1: to why everyone thinks that has to be a text
Speaker 1: for it to have been a conversation. We had conversation,
Speaker 1: face to face, conversation about what could happen, and just
Speaker 1: because it's not out there in a text message doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that that wasn't the case. So have you thought
Speaker 1: about reaching out to Haley and being like, hey, like,
Speaker 1: can you come forward with the truth because what you're
Speaker 1: saying isn't necessarily not you know, can you say these conversations?
Speaker 1: Can you let people know that we had these conversations?
Speaker 1: If you thought about just asking her that, because you're
Speaker 1: obviously being very nice about her. You say she's a
Speaker 1: great girl, You're not going to say anything bad. So
Speaker 1: I'm guessing she's pretty pissed at you. But have you
Speaker 1: considered just being like, hey, do you mind sharing that
Speaker 1: other side of the story. I get that you were
Speaker 1: hurt when you saw I went on the show and
Speaker 1: actually did. Because she's probably hurt that you did fall
Speaker 1: in love. I'm sure she didn't think you would and
Speaker 1: she thought you were coming home to her. That seems
Speaker 1: like that's the scenario here, So have you thought about
Speaker 1: reaching out to her about that? I think that was
Speaker 1: in her mind the best case scenario, and I honestly
Speaker 1: have not. I didn't consider reaching out because my relationship
Speaker 1: with Hannah was my number one priority. Yeah, I have
Speaker 1: a question for you, Jed. I'm I personally am not
Speaker 1: as sympathetic to Haley, just to be honest, because if
Speaker 1: you guys had this understanding, she knew exactly what you
Speaker 1: were going on the show to do as well, and
Speaker 1: so at the same time, she's kind of at fault
Speaker 1: as well to a point, right, Like, I get that
Speaker 1: there weren't truths that were told. I understand all of that,
Speaker 1: but she agreed for you to go on this show
Speaker 1: and to do what you were doing. Okay, So I'm
Speaker 1: not a hundred percent sympathetic towards some people think she
Speaker 1: didn't agree, Like some people think that her heart was
Speaker 1: broken and he was going She was very supportive about it, exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that says something about her. She knew he was going
Speaker 1: on this show, she knew that he was going to
Speaker 1: use the show initially as a platform for his music,
Speaker 1: and she was okay with it. Why is nobody saying
Speaker 1: that that's a character fall. I'm sorry it is. So
Speaker 1: here's my question to you, Jed. Do you think that
Speaker 1: Haley came out because she was Do you think that
Speaker 1: Haley came out to speak to the press because she
Speaker 1: was hurt or do you think she came out to
Speaker 1: use it as a platform for her own music. I
Speaker 1: know that she's hurt, but I know also that there's
Speaker 1: a good chance that she was seizing the opportunity as well.
Speaker 1: Of course she was jed. I mean, and you can't
Speaker 1: really falter for it because you did it too. And yeah,
Speaker 1: and another thing I don't understand is like she waited
Speaker 1: till I had like a two hundred and fifty thousand
Speaker 1: followers to come out and say this, so like, I
Speaker 1: think it was intended to obviously hurt me. And what
Speaker 1: I don't understand is if you know, if you really
Speaker 1: do love someone, no matter how promising they've made it seem,
Speaker 1: if they're going on a dating show, regardless of why
Speaker 1: they're going on a dating show, why would you stay
Speaker 1: with them? And like why if for me, if I
Speaker 1: was in a relationship, I would not have gone onto
Speaker 1: a dating show. That's just me. I'm not a I'm
Speaker 1: not a cheater. And you know, and with my time
Speaker 1: with Haley, I did hang out with other people. I
Speaker 1: did I did date other people. I sup with other people,
Speaker 1: like I. We were not in an exclusive relationship. Does
Speaker 1: she know that? Did she know you were sleeping with
Speaker 1: other people? No, because there was no We'd never had conversation,
Speaker 1: you know, saying this was this. You know, we we
Speaker 1: had never committed to being in an exclusive relationship. She's
Speaker 1: rightfully hurt, and I see that. I understand that. But
Speaker 1: the facts are the facts. Whether she wants to come
Speaker 1: forward with it or not, there was conversation and clarity
Speaker 1: on my on my path. Yeah. What about these reports
Speaker 1: that once you got back from filming you were hooking
Speaker 1: up and flirting with other women while you were still
Speaker 1: engaged to Hannah? Is any of that true? Absolutely? Not
Speaker 1: one hundred or something? Now? It is it maybe the
Speaker 1: case that y'all had already broken up, because according to Hannah,
Speaker 1: you guys broke up June eighteenth, so or ended the engagement.
Speaker 1: I should say, you guys ended the engagement June eighteenth.
Speaker 1: Is there any truth that after that maybe you decided, Okay,
Speaker 1: well we're done. Maybe I'll just you know, see what
Speaker 1: else is out there. My heart was broken, now, okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can see the look on your face and that's actual.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you this question too, before we
Speaker 1: get into things that happened after Afar, and I'm thinking
Speaker 1: of burning questions, and I'm thinking of things that people
Speaker 1: have wondered about you, and now you have your chance
Speaker 1: to talk about it. And like Ali and I said
Speaker 1: at the beginning, we want to give you that space
Speaker 1: to do that. Once you told Hannah that you initially
Speaker 1: came on the show for your music, why at that
Speaker 1: point did you continue to play your music and showcase
Speaker 1: it throughout the show. I am so glad that you
Speaker 1: asked this question. Good. So, when I brought my guitar
Speaker 1: to the show, I actually had no idea that I
Speaker 1: was going to be able to play as much as
Speaker 1: I did. I brought it to have something to do
Speaker 1: in my downtime. Obviously it's my passion. I love it.
Speaker 1: I knew that I would be writing in my downtime,
Speaker 1: and there is you know, there's times that I would
Speaker 1: be like writing a song for Hannah, and you know,
Speaker 1: someone from production would hear it. I would play it
Speaker 1: for them. They're like, you should play that for her,
Speaker 1: And then I was lucky enough to get to do
Speaker 1: that on multiple occasions. I never would have dreamed that
Speaker 1: I got to do it as much as I did.
Speaker 1: And I can see where people are like, you're showcasing,
Speaker 1: You're showcasing, you're showcasing, when really it was me being
Speaker 1: given the opportunity, given the opportunity to do to play.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I guess, can't you understand how you
Speaker 1: know what I just told this girl that I came
Speaker 1: on this show to use my music, to use this
Speaker 1: platform to showcase my music, and now here you are
Speaker 1: showcasing your music every opportunity that you can get, at
Speaker 1: least what we saw in watching it. I mean all
Speaker 1: the way from the very beginning of stepping out of
Speaker 1: the limo to the proposal at the end. So you
Speaker 1: can understand, how did it never crossed your mind? You
Speaker 1: know what? Maybe I have told just put the guitar
Speaker 1: down and talk to her. Prior to me telling Hannah
Speaker 1: to about how I came from music, she told me
Speaker 1: that when I showed when I showed up, she was
Speaker 1: skeptical about the fact that, you know, I played guitar
Speaker 1: for her night one, and that she kind of felt like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is just another guy here from music. But up
Speaker 1: to this point, I can tell that you're here for me,
Speaker 1: and that was edited out, and that was before I
Speaker 1: even told her anything, and I was like, wow, it's
Speaker 1: crazy that you just said that, because then I told
Speaker 1: her my piece why I showed up, so she could
Speaker 1: tell that my emotion had completely flipped and that I
Speaker 1: was there for her at this point and on that date,
Speaker 1: I was unaware of it. But they brought my guitar
Speaker 1: and they put it in another room and Hannah, after
Speaker 1: we had talked and she gave me the rose, led
Speaker 1: me into this room where my guitar was, and she
Speaker 1: wanted me to play her a song. And I happened
Speaker 1: to have wrote a song the night before, so she
Speaker 1: she liked when I played and wanted me to play.
Speaker 1: And even after the show, when we were engaged, she
Speaker 1: was very encouraging and wanted me to bring my guitar
Speaker 1: and wanted me to play for her. And you know
Speaker 1: that meant a lot to me because something I love
Speaker 1: it was your love language. Yeah, absolutely, it is your
Speaker 1: love language. What love language is that? Well, it's how
Speaker 1: he expresses himself. I mean, you're a writer, because honestly,
Speaker 1: I think you express yourself. I think watching back sometimes
Speaker 1: I'd be like Chad, I just want to see more
Speaker 1: emotion out of you. And you're a very like kind
Speaker 1: of chill guy. And I mean, I don't want to
Speaker 1: put words in your mouth, but the way I saw it,
Speaker 1: it was like that's how you express yourself, right, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: It's been like that since I was a little I've
Speaker 1: been I started on piano when I was just like
Speaker 1: five years old. That's just always been It's very outlet.
Speaker 1: It's interesting that you bring up that Hannah like asked
Speaker 1: you to play for her, like she like enjoyed that,
Speaker 1: So I'm sure that encourage you to do it more
Speaker 1: knowing that it's something that she really liked that you did. Absolutely. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And there was times that like I didn't want to
Speaker 1: play because I was like, I don't want her to
Speaker 1: feel like this. I don't want her to feel like this,
Speaker 1: And her and I had conversations. She never felt that way.
Speaker 1: She never felt like I was showcasing. I can see
Speaker 1: where the world would would say that, because it's like
Speaker 1: almost every episode I came walking up with that guitar,
Speaker 1: and I saw so many memes like here comes a
Speaker 1: jet with that I actually got out of guitar mini
Speaker 1: guitar to the podcast with me, But no, I mean,
Speaker 1: look out there, I know a lot of people are
Speaker 1: just gonna I feel for you, like in a lot
Speaker 1: of the situation, I definitely think you mess like dub
Speaker 1: And I've said this already at the beginning. I'm you
Speaker 1: messed up with not being super honest about Haley. And
Speaker 1: I know you kind of think you were, but you weren't,
Speaker 1: you know, And I understand that that came from fear um,
Speaker 1: But I don't blame you for the guitar so for
Speaker 1: any of that other stuff. I like I said, But
Speaker 1: one thing I do want to discuss is are you
Speaker 1: mad at Hannah? Like do you have anger towards her?
Speaker 1: At this point? You know, I'm not angry at all.
Speaker 1: I think more than anything, I'm just really sad. I
Speaker 1: just feel, you know that, And just like I know
Speaker 1: she's sad and hurt too, and I know that she
Speaker 1: now has her closure and we'll move on and that's
Speaker 1: that's that's great. But the reason I ask, and this
Speaker 1: is why I ask, because people are gonna be like,
Speaker 1: what do you mean why would he be mad at Hannah?
Speaker 1: And the reason I asked that is because you did,
Speaker 1: like some comments on Instagram of people saying she slept
Speaker 1: with you know, a bunch of guys. Two guys. Um,
Speaker 1: why did you do that? I tapped the comment to
Speaker 1: go see if he was replying to someone, and I
Speaker 1: liked it. You tap the comment to see if who
Speaker 1: was replying. The comment rolled into my notifications. I tapped it.
Speaker 1: Wherever I tapped it, it liked it. Period. Did you
Speaker 1: not really? Is that? I had no idea until someone
Speaker 1: sent me an article to be like. They were like,
Speaker 1: what why did you do that? And I was like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, Like I didn't mean to do that. I
Speaker 1: don't want to feel that way. I mean, don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong, it's like not easy to hear the things
Speaker 1: that I've heard watching back on the season. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like a really weird thing to see someone that
Speaker 1: you love so much be so open about other people.
Speaker 1: It's are you referring to the windmill? Absolutely? Yeah, It's
Speaker 1: like it's it's hard to hear. I know that's the
Speaker 1: name of the game, that's the show, but it's not
Speaker 1: easy to hear when it's someone. So that was a mistake,
Speaker 1: but I'll own it. I did like it. Um, how
Speaker 1: many comments did you like, like that was that the
Speaker 1: only one I don't know? I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the only one I'm aware of. That's the only
Speaker 1: article I've seen. Yeah, I mean, I get that that
Speaker 1: could be a mistake. I mean, but I also get
Speaker 1: and the reason I thought maybe he did like it
Speaker 1: is I understand how hurtful that would be. You know,
Speaker 1: I being the past specialor I can say that if
Speaker 1: my who cares about my story, But if my Top
Speaker 1: three guy hadn't left me, I would have slept with
Speaker 1: more than one person in the fantasy suite. I would have.
Speaker 1: I didn't because my guy left me, but I would
Speaker 1: have because I know how important physical intimacy is on
Speaker 1: the show, and if you're about to get engage with someone,
Speaker 1: you probably want to know like do you have a
Speaker 1: physical connection? Yeah? Yeah, But I also putting myself in
Speaker 1: the other people's shoes because I left Top four when
Speaker 1: I was a contestant. That has got a sting. And
Speaker 1: I get that you have a lot of wrongs and
Speaker 1: you know, but it's still you're a human being and
Speaker 1: that's got to hurt too, Like what did you did
Speaker 1: you feel anything? When she's talking about two times in
Speaker 1: the windmill, right, Well it was actually four times. Well yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but she said two times, you guys are already broken up.
Speaker 1: When she said four times, you'd already split up, but
Speaker 1: you are engaged when the two times thing, or had
Speaker 1: you already split it up at the journey? We had
Speaker 1: been split up at that point, So how did you feel?
Speaker 1: It was just, you know, I knew about Peter at
Speaker 1: that point. I didn't know the details. I didn't care
Speaker 1: to know the details because you know, I just don't
Speaker 1: really love to hear about that kind of thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's just weird, you know, it's weird. I think
Speaker 1: it would be weird for just about anyone to see
Speaker 1: someone that you care about a lot um be open
Speaker 1: and talk about sleeping with someone else. And you know
Speaker 1: that's her role in this was her journey, and she's
Speaker 1: not wrong for doing it, Like, there's nothing really wrong
Speaker 1: with it, but it does stink, you know, you just
Speaker 1: I'm there's not really anything you can do to prepare
Speaker 1: yourself to watch someone you care about be open about that.
Speaker 1: Ali asked you if you were angry at Hannah, But
Speaker 1: I guess my question is, can you blame Hannah for
Speaker 1: the way that she's reacted since finding out everything she
Speaker 1: did about Haley. Absolutely not. She was very straightforward about
Speaker 1: how she wanted honesty and openness from the very beginning,
Speaker 1: from night one, she was open about that. So I
Speaker 1: can see entirely how and why she feels the way
Speaker 1: she feels right now or felt. I want to follow
Speaker 1: up on something you said on GMA. You know, when
Speaker 1: you were talking to Michael Strahan, you said to him
Speaker 1: that you had discussed with Hannah Hailey. But did your
Speaker 1: discussions mirror the article that came out in People magazine?
Speaker 1: There was details in the article that, like I said before,
Speaker 1: I wasn't even considering her side or her feelings. I
Speaker 1: told her pretty much from my perspective what we were
Speaker 1: and it felt like without considering how she was feeling,
Speaker 1: And that's my fault, and I'll own up to it.
Speaker 1: I want to give you an opportunity to clear things up,
Speaker 1: because this is the first time you've really been able
Speaker 1: to just talk freely. You know, it's not a TV segment,
Speaker 1: it's an open conversation, and so I guess i'd also
Speaker 1: ask you, is there something yet that we haven't addressed
Speaker 1: that you want to clear up? Because everyone's been asking
Speaker 1: or assuming certain things. I think at this point you
Speaker 1: can assume that if there's a click eleton in your closet,
Speaker 1: it's going to come out. At this point, absolutely, there's
Speaker 1: no I mean, I feel like We've touched a lot
Speaker 1: of the points that I've ever wanted to make that
Speaker 1: I've kept quiet over because all I wanted to do
Speaker 1: is mend the relationship with Hannah. I didn't come out
Speaker 1: and defend myself immediately. I could have. I could have
Speaker 1: came out and did any I could have defended myself
Speaker 1: off the bat with the Hailey situation and spoke just
Speaker 1: on behalf of that. But what was important to me
Speaker 1: was Hannah and trying to fix that. And that's just it.
Speaker 1: Have you guys spoken since after the final rose at all?
Speaker 1: Or is your contact completely cut off? We haven't spoken,
Speaker 1: and you know, I feel like down the road we
Speaker 1: could have friendship. I mean, she's great and we have
Speaker 1: always got along, we have a great time. I think
Speaker 1: she's an amazing woman. She's strong, she she killed her
Speaker 1: role at this I mean, you can't ask for someone
Speaker 1: to be more passionate, more open, and she did everything
Speaker 1: in my opinion great. She did great, and I just
Speaker 1: I hope down the road that we can be friends.
Speaker 1: Do you think her and Tyler are going to end
Speaker 1: up together? How do you feel about that situation? Kind
Speaker 1: Of like I said on Good Morning America, I just
Speaker 1: had a weird feeling going into after the final Rose
Speaker 1: that something like that could happen. Tyler's an amazing guy.
Speaker 1: I don't fault her for saying what she did or
Speaker 1: asking him. Or has your relationship with any of the
Speaker 1: guys change with all this coming out? Or have they
Speaker 1: been supportive? Because do you talk to the guys? I
Speaker 1: could not have asked for, honestly, a better group of
Speaker 1: people to go into this with. They've been supportive and
Speaker 1: kind to me and you know, obviously offering their opinions
Speaker 1: on the situation and you know, telling me things that
Speaker 1: you know are helpful, and they've I mean they've they're
Speaker 1: great friends. I mean, obviously there's a couple that I
Speaker 1: don't talk to you as much. But yeah, well, assuming
Speaker 1: you don't talk to Luke um, So, like, did any
Speaker 1: of the guys like call you out and say, hey, Jed,
Speaker 1: what the heck? Or were they like what did they say?
Speaker 1: No one called me out? It was it was more
Speaker 1: so just Nick Vile. None of the guys on my
Speaker 1: season has said anything. Yeah, because Nick, let's let's expect
Speaker 1: on that. I don't even know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: What has nick le? Let's talk about it? How do you?
Speaker 1: And Okay, So I think it's great that you have
Speaker 1: received support from the guys from your season. And I'll
Speaker 1: be honest, I've talked to several guys from your season
Speaker 1: and they all have great things to say about you.
Speaker 1: Even when I tried to dig I tried to say,
Speaker 1: but okay, yeah, Peter last week he had great things
Speaker 1: to say about you. Yeah, And we're like, okay, but
Speaker 1: maybe this No, They're like we were. We lived with Jed.
Speaker 1: He's actually a really great guy. We understand what you've
Speaker 1: seen in the media. We understand, you know, certain things
Speaker 1: that have popped up, But Jed is really a good person.
Speaker 1: Even Hannah said, you know, she fell in love with
Speaker 1: with the goodness, the good part of you. She knows
Speaker 1: it's in there for you and maybe this whole situation
Speaker 1: will prepare you for the next person. So she acknowledges
Speaker 1: it as well. But since you brought up Nick Vile,
Speaker 1: what what do you because that's who season I was
Speaker 1: on what what do you think about past contestants or
Speaker 1: past leads offering their opinion opinion in such a way
Speaker 1: because you obviously feel strongly about things that he has said.
Speaker 1: And I think you know, obviously Rachel and I have
Speaker 1: this podcast and we are giving our opinion, so we're
Speaker 1: sharing our opinion as alumni too. I think the difference
Speaker 1: is there's a way to be respectful about it. Yeah, totally,
Speaker 1: and you guys do that perfectly in my opinion. I mean,
Speaker 1: everyone's entitled their opinion, and with social media, people are
Speaker 1: very quick to jump on what's the most popular thing
Speaker 1: happening and how they can use it to benefit themselves,
Speaker 1: get retweets, to get retweets, to get likes. And I
Speaker 1: understand that. I've been, as a recently the talk of
Speaker 1: the town, so I see why people are doing doing that.
Speaker 1: But it's like, get to know me before you talk shit,
Speaker 1: and if you come with my family, like, I don't
Speaker 1: do that. Did he do that? I've seen him say
Speaker 1: some some slurs and stuff on Twitter and it's just,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like have some respect. So you feel
Speaker 1: like he's doing it to try to stay relevant. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? That's what he thrives off. Oh yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm with you. I I mean, not with
Speaker 1: the knixing. But I think people are not just social
Speaker 1: or not just past Bachelor contestants in general. People have
Speaker 1: the screen up when they're on the internet and feel
Speaker 1: like they can say whatever they want. And the reason
Speaker 1: I'm so happy that you're here, Jet is because not
Speaker 1: only of all the guys said great things about you,
Speaker 1: Hannah has said great things about you, despite how hurt
Speaker 1: she is. I'm you know, we're sitting here talking to you.
Speaker 1: We can see that you're a good person. Of course
Speaker 1: you're a good person. You just really fucked up, you did.
Speaker 1: I mean, can you say that right now that I
Speaker 1: mess up big time? I can see all my faults
Speaker 1: and like I said, I'm going to grow from it
Speaker 1: and it is going to make me a better person.
Speaker 1: It just it's crazy when it's in the public eye
Speaker 1: that you have to go through something like this and
Speaker 1: be open to everyone's opinions and judgment. But you know, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I can see all my faults. Yeah, Jed, I think
Speaker 1: that you learn the hardest lesson on the biggest stage,
Speaker 1: and it'll be something that you grow from at the
Speaker 1: end of the day. Like we talk about Hannah strength
Speaker 1: and everything that she went through, and she did go
Speaker 1: through a lot. But at the same time, you have
Speaker 1: to be really strong on your end, and she gave
Speaker 1: that to you. You know, when she talked about Grace
Speaker 1: on the stage, she said, I know that you have
Speaker 1: a lot of critics. I have them too, but I
Speaker 1: know people are coming down on you, and I'll even
Speaker 1: be honest. When she was on straight hand and Sarah,
Speaker 1: she said, I don't want to say anything about him
Speaker 1: because so many people are already coming at him. So
Speaker 1: it takes a lot of strength for you to be
Speaker 1: able to come sit with us. Do have these tough conversations,
Speaker 1: but we thank you for it, and we thank you
Speaker 1: for being, you know, strong enough to tell your side
Speaker 1: of the story. I do want to ask you, though,
Speaker 1: what's next for you? I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: want to know, what do you want to do now?
Speaker 1: Paradise Just kidding, Dylan's going you know, really, I just
Speaker 1: want to take the next bit and just focus on
Speaker 1: my spiritual and mental health. That's it. I mean, the
Speaker 1: weight of all this has been insane, and you know,
Speaker 1: I just want to surround myself with good people and
Speaker 1: really just work on my soul. And I'm glad you
Speaker 1: brought up mental health. Yeah. I think people out there,
Speaker 1: anyone listening to this right now who maybe still feels
Speaker 1: angry with you, is that we need to think about
Speaker 1: people's mental health and this because I cannot imagine how
Speaker 1: you are feeling and how you've been feeling and having
Speaker 1: millions of people just judging you and saying terrible things
Speaker 1: about you. That is so hurtful. And we really need
Speaker 1: to think about mental health and what that can do
Speaker 1: to a person, because I know you're a strong guy,
Speaker 1: but that can break anybody. Yeah, and I like to
Speaker 1: think that I am very you know, mentally strong like
Speaker 1: and a lot of situations and this has been extremely heavy,
Speaker 1: and you know, I want to talk for a second
Speaker 1: about like other people going through this. You know, Um,
Speaker 1: I know that the black guy, he's fucked up and
Speaker 1: done some shit, and you know, I just think people
Speaker 1: need to, like, even though they don't agree with it
Speaker 1: or think it's terrible, just have a little grace because
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, like we're humans. I mean,
Speaker 1: same for Luke. I don't agree with him, not the
Speaker 1: slightest bit do I agree with him? But we're we're humans,
Speaker 1: We're we have this this thing where it's easy to
Speaker 1: get caught up in what people are saying. And sure
Speaker 1: you can say that you're not going to look at
Speaker 1: it or that you ignore it, but that only goes
Speaker 1: for so long, and people need to realize how much
Speaker 1: words actually can't affect someone's mental health and respect that
Speaker 1: do you feel for Luke in this situation now that
Speaker 1: I've gone through the hate that I've gone through, you know,
Speaker 1: like even before I did, like I it was just
Speaker 1: constant names, constant shots, and you know, I've even taken
Speaker 1: some shots at him obviously, Like I didn't agree with
Speaker 1: the guy at all. But now that I have this perspective,
Speaker 1: I think people just need to have a little grace
Speaker 1: for everyone. Yeah, Like you cannot like somebody that's totally okay,
Speaker 1: Like and you can say I don't understand why this
Speaker 1: person is here, but saying like they should jump off
Speaker 1: a bridge on social media is not okay. It's not okay. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a bit too far. So like that, you know
Speaker 1: that being said, Hannah has been you know, being drilled
Speaker 1: the entire time the entire season, like, yeah, yeah, Luke
Speaker 1: got it bad, I got it bad later, But she's
Speaker 1: had this judgment the entire time. Yeah, And I don't
Speaker 1: think there's anyone in this world that could have handled
Speaker 1: it the way she did. She was strong, she held
Speaker 1: true to herself, and you can't ask for more than
Speaker 1: that from someone. And I will say I have not
Speaker 1: agreed with a lot of the things Hannah has done
Speaker 1: throughout the season. I write a blog and on it,
Speaker 1: I have been extremely critical of some of the things
Speaker 1: that she has done throughout the season, but always in
Speaker 1: a respectful way, always in a way of I am
Speaker 1: behind her. I don't agree with the way she did this,
Speaker 1: but I know she's growing from this. And I think
Speaker 1: that's the difference. You don't have to like everybody. You
Speaker 1: don't have to agree with it. I do like Hannah,
Speaker 1: but you don't have to agree with what everybody's doing.
Speaker 1: But you just have to be realized they're real human beings.
Speaker 1: Like Rachel and I have been there. I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: not to the extent that you have experienced it, But honestly,
Speaker 1: I was a little hesitant to do this podcast. And
Speaker 1: the reason I was is because I was a Bachelor
Speaker 1: I almost ten years ago, but I remember sitting at
Speaker 1: my computer and seeing the terrible things people were saying
Speaker 1: about me and crying my eyes out because yes, I'm strong.
Speaker 1: I've been strong my whole life, but oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: you can one person can only take so much. And
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do this podcast at first because
Speaker 1: I thought, oh my gosh, I'm putting myself back out
Speaker 1: there to be judged again by Bachelor Nation, which bachel
Speaker 1: Nation is incredible, but there's a handful of weaves among
Speaker 1: the flowers that really a lot of weeds to dig.
Speaker 1: What you say, Rachel, a lot of weeds? Is that
Speaker 1: you said, Yeah, there's a lot of wes. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I mean, Rachel, how do you like? How what do
Speaker 1: you think about? So? I am a very strong person,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, I absolutely have my moments
Speaker 1: where sometimes this becomes too much and it gets to me.
Speaker 1: And I think it's important to talk about because a
Speaker 1: lot of times people do just see me as strong.
Speaker 1: But this being in this world has affected me at
Speaker 1: the same time. And you know, like Ali said, we've
Speaker 1: both as leads have definitely been subject to a lot
Speaker 1: of criticism and for me being the first black bachelorette.
Speaker 1: I was being criticized for things that I can't change.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm black. I can't change that. You know.
Speaker 1: I was born that way, and a lot of the
Speaker 1: criticism that came to me it was because of the
Speaker 1: way that I looked or stereotypes for because of the
Speaker 1: way I looked at people place on black people. So
Speaker 1: it was I knew I would get it, but as
Speaker 1: much as you prepare yourself for it, you never are
Speaker 1: ready for it. And at the same time, it's like,
Speaker 1: when people are praising you one second, you're also going
Speaker 1: to have the flip in of people criticizing you, and
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a hard balance to have and the
Speaker 1: strongest person is affected by it. So I think it's
Speaker 1: really important you know that we're having this conversation now
Speaker 1: and we're sharing our experiences at how tough it is.
Speaker 1: I'm tough on people too. I'm tough, Jed. I think
Speaker 1: you handled this this interview quite well. I was nervous,
Speaker 1: for I'm very direct, and I get that sometimes I
Speaker 1: fall victim of, you know, going after people without understanding
Speaker 1: it or realizing, Hey, Rachel, you know what it's like
Speaker 1: to be in that person's shoes and have people criticizing
Speaker 1: you for things they don't know or they don't know
Speaker 1: the whole story. So I think that it's important for Hello,
Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation, I'm talking to you, to realize that these
Speaker 1: people are We're human, and we mess up and we
Speaker 1: make mistakes, and we're making them on the biggest stage.
Speaker 1: So at times, give us a break. Absolutely, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I do see sometimes I will say, I mean,
Speaker 1: I haven't read any of Nick's tweets, but people do
Speaker 1: kind of jump on the bandwagon of like whatever Bachelor
Speaker 1: Nation's feeling and to you know, just kind of follow
Speaker 1: along with that. I don't do that. Like if I'm
Speaker 1: going to tweet or put something on Instagram, I feel
Speaker 1: like i'll do it as again, I don't agree with this,
Speaker 1: but I massage it a little bit. I realize that
Speaker 1: the person I'm talking about is me just like me,
Speaker 1: you know, like because I've been there, So it's it's
Speaker 1: hard for me sometimes when past contestants are so ruthless
Speaker 1: because they've been there totally and they know how much
Speaker 1: it hurts totally. And like I've taken shots at Luke
Speaker 1: on Twitter and it's like it's just like an easy
Speaker 1: thing to do, but it's not right. Yeah, no, it's
Speaker 1: not always right. I definitely say some very blunt things,
Speaker 1: but I think as long as you're funny, it softens enough. Yeah. See,
Speaker 1: I'm like again, I always go back to I'm a
Speaker 1: mom of this podcast, Like, I'm just like, oh, I
Speaker 1: always think if that person's my son or my daughter.
Speaker 1: You know, but none of us are perfect. I'm sure
Speaker 1: at some point, for sure, definitely past seasons, I've said
Speaker 1: some things that are were mean, you know, if I
Speaker 1: had an opinion, and I think you just learned, like
Speaker 1: you said, I mean, the whole point of this, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think your story jet is that nobody is perfect
Speaker 1: and we all mess up, all of us. Just you know,
Speaker 1: we have millions of people to let us know when
Speaker 1: we did it. Absolutely, and your mistake should not define
Speaker 1: you exactly. Everyone can change, everyone can grow, and you
Speaker 1: got to just focus on that. Well. I hope people
Speaker 1: listening to this know that your mistakes do not define you.
Speaker 1: And I can say that sitting with you right now,
Speaker 1: I can tell and feel the good energy from you,
Speaker 1: and I see what Hannah saw on you. You messed up,
Speaker 1: but you're human and you've admitted it. That's what else
Speaker 1: can you do? You live and you learn, and I
Speaker 1: can say confidently I think that whoever you do end
Speaker 1: up with is going to be a very lucky girl,
Speaker 1: because I think you're going to be pretty dang and
Speaker 1: honest with that person. You're gonna be like, yeah, everything
Speaker 1: here it is. Yeah. I just like I looked at
Speaker 1: another girl and I saw her cleavage. I had to
Speaker 1: tell you because I don't want you to think I'm lying,
Speaker 1: like you're going to be really honest, Jed. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for being here. Honestly, it's not easy to
Speaker 1: do what you're doing right now, and we really appreciate
Speaker 1: you telling your story here. First, absolutely, thank you all
Speaker 1: for having me. You know, it's it's been heavy on
Speaker 1: my heart to be able to kind of open up
Speaker 1: about everything, and I appreciate you all giving me the
Speaker 1: opportunity to do that here. Absolutely, Thank you, Jed. We
Speaker 1: definitely wish you the very best in the future, and
Speaker 1: we'll see you at the doc. I love meditation too,
Speaker 1: so I love that you do that. And I will
Speaker 1: say to all of you guys listening, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for tuning in to this a very special edition
Speaker 1: of a Bachelor Happy Hour And actually, we're gonna be
Speaker 1: back with our regular podcast next week and we have
Speaker 1: Demi and Kalin from Bachelor in Paradise on the show. Um,
Speaker 1: we're going to talk to Demi about her groundbit breaking
Speaker 1: Paradise journey, which is very cool, and how her family
Speaker 1: reacted to her telling the world that she had been
Speaker 1: dating a woman prior to coming to Paradise. And also,
Speaker 1: you guys, Klein will be here and from the looks
Speaker 1: of it, she got all caught up in the Blake
Speaker 1: drama that is all the talk in Paradise, and we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about that with her. Yes, we're gonna
Speaker 1: we're gonna have grace for Blake, but we're also going
Speaker 1: to call him a jerk and you'll find out why.
Speaker 1: So in the time. In the meantime, guys, you can
Speaker 1: get all the latest Bachelor Nation news on Bachelor Nation
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Speaker 1: Because actually, Jed, before we came into this interview, I
Speaker 1: like pulled my followers and asked them what questions we
Speaker 1: should ask you. So some of those questions came from
Speaker 1: my followers, and I'm glad you brought that up Ali,
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Speaker 1: you so much for listening. This was really really great. Jed,
Speaker 1: thank you again, and don't forget to subscribe to our podcast,
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