WEBVTT - EXCLUSIVE: Jed Wyatt Interview

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<v Speaker 1>Hey guys. I'm Rachel and I'm Ali and welcome you

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<v Speaker 1>guys to a very special edition of Bachelor Happy Hour.

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<v Speaker 1>Very special edition. It is Ali because normally when we

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<v Speaker 1>bring you a new podcast, we bring it to you

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<v Speaker 1>every week, but sometimes if something big happens, which is

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<v Speaker 1>what we promised you when we have breaking news, we

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<v Speaker 1>will bring it to you, and that's what we're bringing

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<v Speaker 1>to you right now. In this extra special edition. Rachel

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<v Speaker 1>is in New York, so she's calling in. Hey Rachel. Yeah, Ali,

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<v Speaker 1>I could not miss this. I know, I know, we

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<v Speaker 1>really knew that you all have so many questions about

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<v Speaker 1>Jed and the Hannah situation, and we wanted to get

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<v Speaker 1>answers for you guys, so we decided instead of waiting

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<v Speaker 1>until next week for our podcast, we were going to

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<v Speaker 1>have this special I guess we'd like to say emergency

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<v Speaker 1>edition of Bachelor Happy Hour, so you guys can get

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<v Speaker 1>your questions answered. Jed flew in last night to Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 1>and he is coming. He's sitting down with this. He's

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<v Speaker 1>sitting actually, he's sitting right across from me right now,

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<v Speaker 1>so let me not talk about him like he's in

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<v Speaker 1>the third person. Jed welcome to to our podcast. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for being here. Thank you all so

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<v Speaker 1>much for having me. Okay, Jed, we know you're tired,

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<v Speaker 1>we know you're exhausted. We don't want to take up

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot of your time, but we definitely just

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<v Speaker 1>want to get right to it, right Ali, Yes, all right, Okay, people,

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<v Speaker 1>E r r y dot com. Okay, So I think first,

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<v Speaker 1>just to start it off, what do you want people

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<v Speaker 1>to know right now? I think the main thing really

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<v Speaker 1>is just how how sorry I am. You know, I've

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<v Speaker 1>just really had time to think about the things that

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<v Speaker 1>have happened and how Hannah has felt, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very remorseful and ultimately just want to become a

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<v Speaker 1>better person because of all this, and that's really my

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<v Speaker 1>main thing right now. But Jed, you know, we we

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<v Speaker 1>I saw your interview on GMA, we watched it. We

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<v Speaker 1>saw you on Afar where you apologized, and I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like that that's what we've gotten from you. You You seem

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<v Speaker 1>very sincere. You seem very remorseful about the whole situation

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<v Speaker 1>and how it went down, and we understand that absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like there's more to it. We've heard you apologize,

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<v Speaker 1>but we haven't heard your side of the story, and

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<v Speaker 1>we really want to give you a chance for you

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<v Speaker 1>to just speak freely and tell your side of what happened,

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<v Speaker 1>because I don't think anybody's heard it to this point,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jed too. I want to say, like I want

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<v Speaker 1>you to feel comfortable in the situation because I feel

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<v Speaker 1>for you. Oh my goodness, like you have been through

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<v Speaker 1>Like I what you did obviously is wrong. You know that, right.

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<v Speaker 1>You've apologize for it very sincerely, I believe, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even fault you for going on the show for

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<v Speaker 1>your music. I've been very vocal about this since the

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<v Speaker 1>notion that people go on the show because they want

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<v Speaker 1>to have a good time. Nobody goes on the show

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<v Speaker 1>thinking they're going to fall in love and then they

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<v Speaker 1>do and they're like, oh my gosh, this works. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't believe it works. So I don't fault you. If

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<v Speaker 1>I want to muse a career right now and the

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<v Speaker 1>Bachelor asked me to come on, I'd be like to

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<v Speaker 1>my husband, Hey, can you just hang tight because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to go on a Bachelor. So I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>fault you for that. But that's what I think. I think, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>like we're do you feel like it kind of all

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<v Speaker 1>really messed up, really got messed up for you, like

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<v Speaker 1>just talk us through all of it. Yeah, So, like

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<v Speaker 1>I like I told Hannah, you know I did, I

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<v Speaker 1>did show up because I knew it was a platform.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew that it had a lot of opportunities for adventure,

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<v Speaker 1>and then coming out of it, you know, all the

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<v Speaker 1>people that I've seen seem like they have like a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty amazing life. So that was all very intriguing to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I was reached out to to do the show. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't sign up, and I just really felt like it

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<v Speaker 1>was something I was supposed to do. It just landed

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<v Speaker 1>in my lap. And you know, once I was there

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<v Speaker 1>and I saw how emotional Hannah was and how passionate

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<v Speaker 1>she was about the whole thing, it kind of hit me.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I can remember I believe it was

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<v Speaker 1>like within the second week that you know, this is real,

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<v Speaker 1>This is a this is a real person. Though I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know her that well, we haven't had much time

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<v Speaker 1>to talk, I can see that her heart is in

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<v Speaker 1>this and that was kind of the turning point for

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<v Speaker 1>me that I was like, you know what, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to really investigate this more, and you know, going forward,

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<v Speaker 1>I could feel myself falling. So I wanted to be

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<v Speaker 1>honest with her, and if that meant her sitting me

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<v Speaker 1>home immediately, then so be it. But I wanted her

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<v Speaker 1>to know the honest truth as to why I showed up,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, going forward, you know, people asked me now, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know you were so honest about that, why weren't

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<v Speaker 1>you honest about the whole Haley situation? And in my head,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I had more closure than Haley. I I

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<v Speaker 1>felt like, you know, we had a conversation on the

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<v Speaker 1>phone once I landed in LA and we knew that

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<v Speaker 1>I was stepping into a very unforeseen future and that

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<v Speaker 1>anything could happen. We had talked about all the variables

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, be that like if they wanted me

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<v Speaker 1>to be the Bachelor or something or Paradise or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Falling in love like it was discussed and understood that

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<v Speaker 1>you know who knows, right, So was it That's a

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<v Speaker 1>great great I love that you just shared that, Because

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<v Speaker 1>then let's look at the IE love you right before?

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<v Speaker 1>So was that like a goodbye I love you? It was? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I really did care for Haley. You know, we had

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<v Speaker 1>a great time together. Obviously going on the show, there

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<v Speaker 1>was not stable ground to actually commit to an exclusive

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<v Speaker 1>relationship together, like we just we never did that. So

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I did love her. I did care for her. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>she's a great person. I will not talk about about her.

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<v Speaker 1>There's nothing bad to be said. But in my head,

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<v Speaker 1>we had more closure than I think she did. I

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<v Speaker 1>felt like we had more closure than I guess she did. So,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, going into the journey, it wasn't crossing my

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<v Speaker 1>mind because you know, I felt like we understood that

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<v Speaker 1>anything could happen. Yeah, I mean, obviously, go ahead, Rachel. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to ask you this just piggybacking on

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<v Speaker 1>what you mentioned before. When you left that note to

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<v Speaker 1>Haley and you make comments that are like you know

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<v Speaker 1>where where my heart will be and I'll see you

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<v Speaker 1>at the dock, that sounds like you're trying to you

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<v Speaker 1>plan on returning to her. So if that's how you

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<v Speaker 1>left her, how do you explain that? What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 1>I think? Actually, I know I was just really kind

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<v Speaker 1>of talking out of my ass. I don't I don't

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<v Speaker 1>really know why I would say something like that when

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I didn't know what I was getting into

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<v Speaker 1>at all. Like I had not watched I collectively, I've

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<v Speaker 1>probably seen maybe three episodes of the show in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>I had no idea what I was getting into, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just I thought I was showing up for

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<v Speaker 1>a platform, and then I met Hannah and completely fell

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<v Speaker 1>in love and I was like, you know, wow, this

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<v Speaker 1>was like completely unexpected. So but Jed, yeah, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'll just preface this by saying I don't agree

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<v Speaker 1>with Ali. I have a different view of how I

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<v Speaker 1>interpret the situation. Sure, And so when you say I

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<v Speaker 1>too as well. Did not watch the show before I

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<v Speaker 1>was on it, But I understood that the concept of

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<v Speaker 1>the show, which I'm I'm sure you did too as well, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I understood that how the show works for the for

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<v Speaker 1>the most part, I thought I understood, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's one of those things that want even even if

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<v Speaker 1>you think you get it, once you're there, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>completely different situation. And I get that. I know the

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<v Speaker 1>show is about people finding love at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the day. You did know that, right, ye? Go ahead, Jed? Yeah, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I could see that entirely. But it's like I

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<v Speaker 1>had no idea that it would actually be possible in

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<v Speaker 1>that sett inc like it just when you when even

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<v Speaker 1>with watching, like I didn't watch the show much because

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<v Speaker 1>to me, it didn't seem real, like when you watch

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<v Speaker 1>the edits and you see how people act and react

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like it looks fake. And I had people

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<v Speaker 1>in my ear prior to the show telling me it's scripted,

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<v Speaker 1>that there's going to be people coming at you trying

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<v Speaker 1>to fight you. On nine one, like, I had all

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<v Speaker 1>these variables going through my head and I had literally

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<v Speaker 1>no idea what I was getting into. So I'm and

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's fair Jet, Like I will say, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know that I went on the show thinking it

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<v Speaker 1>was BS like I didn't think that I was actually

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I did fall in love with Jason Mesnick

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<v Speaker 1>story again, this is way back in the day, but like, again,

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<v Speaker 1>did not. I think most people don't go on the

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<v Speaker 1>show for love, and that's the truth. That's my honest opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>So I truly don't fault you for it, And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's interesting. I think a lot of viewers watch

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<v Speaker 1>the show and wonder is it scripted? Is it fake?

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not. But you don't realize that until you

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<v Speaker 1>get there. You don't realize that the emotions are real,

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<v Speaker 1>the feelings are real. So I feel that I think

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<v Speaker 1>jed for me like I have been, and maybe people

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<v Speaker 1>get mad at me for this. I've actually been quite

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<v Speaker 1>a cheerleader for you, you like, in terms of I

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<v Speaker 1>don't blame you for going on the show for music.

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<v Speaker 1>When you came out with that information to Hannah, I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, heck, yes, finally somebody says the truth. They

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<v Speaker 1>didn't come on the show for love. So I actually

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<v Speaker 1>really appreciated that. I think for me where all sort

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<v Speaker 1>of fell apart was. I know you say you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to tell Hannah out of fear, but when you

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<v Speaker 1>had to have realized when the information came out at

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<v Speaker 1>that point, the fear is kind of out the window.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, so why then still were you sort of

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<v Speaker 1>not being completely because even when you sat down with her,

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<v Speaker 1>not after the final rows, before that, I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>you were trying to talk your way around it. That

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<v Speaker 1>was one of the hardest conversations I've had in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>And if it seemed like I was dancing around anything,

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<v Speaker 1>it was simply because there were cameras in my face

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm sitting there with someone that I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>spend the rest of my life with, feeling like it's

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<v Speaker 1>falling apart and not knowing how to handle it. It

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<v Speaker 1>was just so much. Did you not watch it? I've

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't. To be honest, I couldn't do it. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean this has all been so much, and especially going

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<v Speaker 1>into you know, it was first aired when you know,

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<v Speaker 1>right before I went to After the Final Rose, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was in my trailer so I couldn't watch it live,

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<v Speaker 1>so I just walked in there kind of blind. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I think we saw some emotion. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you said I don't want to cry, and we saw

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<v Speaker 1>a few tears, But I think what we really wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to see, like as a viewer, was your fighting for

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<v Speaker 1>the woman that you love in that point. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>feel you gave it your all to save that relationship? Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I had let her know that I would

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<v Speaker 1>you do anything. I would come to La to Alabama.

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<v Speaker 1>I would have done like literally anything to sit down

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<v Speaker 1>and have a conversation with her. And this is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>prior to or this is after the where she broke

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<v Speaker 1>the engagement. Leading up to that point, she didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk. She needed space, and I understood that. So

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I would have done literally anything. Yeah? Did

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<v Speaker 1>did your Your family had to have known about Haley, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they knew exactly what we were and they

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<v Speaker 1>knew that it was not a relationship. They knew. They

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<v Speaker 1>knew like every bit of it. Oh, because I assume

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<v Speaker 1>maybe when during your hometown that the reason they were

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<v Speaker 1>hesitant is because they're like, well, wait, he was just

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<v Speaker 1>in another relationship. Like did your sister or your mom

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<v Speaker 1>or anybody off camera say, hey, whoa, you were just

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<v Speaker 1>in a relationship. No. The only thing they were saying

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<v Speaker 1>to me off camera was is this really? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>really feel this way? They were just skeptical to the whole,

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<v Speaker 1>like there's cameras around, there's lights, there's people running around

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<v Speaker 1>our house. I walk in with a girl I'm feeling

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<v Speaker 1>head over heels about and they were just totally blown away.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't like when I watched back on that, especially

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<v Speaker 1>with the whole Haley than coming out, I can see

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<v Speaker 1>where people would say they knew or it felt like

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<v Speaker 1>they were acting the way they did because of that,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was not the case at all. Like I

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<v Speaker 1>talked to them after, I was like, like, be honest

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<v Speaker 1>with me, was any of this because of that situation?

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<v Speaker 1>And they it just wasn't. Well. Then jed, why did

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<v Speaker 1>Hannah say when she was sitting with you in the

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<v Speaker 1>house and all you all were discussing the People magazine

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<v Speaker 1>and Haley and everything with that. Why did Hannah say, no,

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<v Speaker 1>wonder your family was acting like that, because obviously it's

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<v Speaker 1>something that she felt as well. Absolutely, I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was just the heat of the moment and that discussion, because,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, it was the hardest conversation that we

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<v Speaker 1>have ever had and the weight of it. I can

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<v Speaker 1>see where she would be led to fill that way,

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<v Speaker 1>But I know for a fact that that wasn't the case. Jed.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you this, and I'm going to go

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<v Speaker 1>back a bit because I told you, Ali and I

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<v Speaker 1>have differing views on how this whole thing played out.

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<v Speaker 1>When I am like you, I came onto the show skeptical,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't believe it could work out, but was open to

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<v Speaker 1>whatever opportunity presented itself, whether that be love, whether that

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<v Speaker 1>be friendship, whether that be a platform after this, like

0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:34.920
<v Speaker 1>you said, and I think that's how most people come

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<v Speaker 1>on the show. I think what gets me about the

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<v Speaker 1>way you came on the show, coupled with the messages

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<v Speaker 1>that we saw from Haley, is that you admit that

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<v Speaker 1>you came on the show with different motives. You came

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<v Speaker 1>on the show technically to deceive Hannah. Right, you just

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<v Speaker 1>happened to fall in love with her as the show

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<v Speaker 1>went on, and you were pleasantly surprised. Guy. So I

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<v Speaker 1>guess my question, and maybe this is a burning question

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<v Speaker 1>for a lot of people out there, how did you

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<v Speaker 1>envision this going? Like? How far were you willing to

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<v Speaker 1>take it to grow your platform? Because that was your

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<v Speaker 1>initial intention to come on the show. What I had

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<v Speaker 1>told a lot of people prior to going on this show,

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<v Speaker 1>all my friends, was you know that I am open,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, to anything that could happen, and if

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<v Speaker 1>it was love, I just I would tell everyone I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't see that happening. There's no way that that

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<v Speaker 1>could happen in that setting. I was open to the idea, though,

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<v Speaker 1>and were you? Yeah? I did Haley know that? Because

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<v Speaker 1>I just feel like everything that you've said has been

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<v Speaker 1>I came on for the platform. I've never heard you

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<v Speaker 1>say that you were open to finding love on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just want to be clear, right, Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>god knows if it still there or not. But when

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<v Speaker 1>I had my interviews in Nashville, when they kind of

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<v Speaker 1>did like my hometown piece think when I was interviewed there,

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<v Speaker 1>I can remember being asked if or if I thought

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<v Speaker 1>that it would be possible to fall in love there,

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<v Speaker 1>and I remember being just like, you know, I'm open

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<v Speaker 1>to it. I just I doubt it. I just I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't believe in it. I didn't think it was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be possible and my heart was open to it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I talked to multiple people and said that I

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<v Speaker 1>was open to the idea of it. I just didn't

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<v Speaker 1>feel like it was feasible. So and I think another

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<v Speaker 1>question that people want to know is if you came

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<v Speaker 1>on the show for a platform, why didn't you just

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<v Speaker 1>go on American Idol or the Voice I have? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I was it just landed in my lap. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, it wasn't like I was out scouting

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<v Speaker 1>for TV shows to go onto. I was, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I was happy, I was living life and I was

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<v Speaker 1>reached out to to do it and it just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of lighted in my lap. So I felt like it

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of a god thing and I just ran

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<v Speaker 1>with it. That's fair. Um, do you my one thing

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<v Speaker 1>I've really been wondering because I really think about Haley

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<v Speaker 1>and this right she it seems like her heart was

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<v Speaker 1>broken in this. Absolutely have you talked to her. We

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<v Speaker 1>have ran into each other in passing and talked briefly,

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<v Speaker 1>but I haven't had the chance to like really go

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<v Speaker 1>into any of this. Where where did you see each other?

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<v Speaker 1>We ran into each other at a bar, and like

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<v Speaker 1>what was said? Because it was this before after she

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<v Speaker 1>gave her story. This was before she gave her story.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh right, So she came up to me and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're surrounded by people. This is like right when I

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<v Speaker 1>got back from the show. I believe one episode had

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<v Speaker 1>played at this point, and people were like videoing me

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<v Speaker 1>standing there. I was trying to have some conversation with

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<v Speaker 1>my friends, and she walked right up to me and

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<v Speaker 1>she was like, you know, you weren't going to call

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<v Speaker 1>you weren't gonna like say anything. And I just told

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<v Speaker 1>her that I didn't feel like this was the time

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<v Speaker 1>or place to have this conversation. And after that I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of discussed with Hannah that she had been I

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<v Speaker 1>had heard that she was throwing fits at bars and

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<v Speaker 1>like throwing beer bottles and like making a scene, so

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<v Speaker 1>I knew she was obviously pissed and rightfully so. And

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like that was the point where I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to like say something, and so to Haley. Discussed with

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<v Speaker 1>Hannah that I think that I should have this conversation

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<v Speaker 1>with her, and Hannah was, you know, kind of brushing

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<v Speaker 1>it off and making jokes about it. But we came

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<v Speaker 1>to terms that I should just give her a call.

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<v Speaker 1>So I did give Haley a call and she ignored

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<v Speaker 1>it and never called me back. Oh okay, So I

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<v Speaker 1>guess my question is, then, at that point, were you

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<v Speaker 1>afraid that you heard that Hailey was causing a scene,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in Nashville. Were you afraid at that point

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<v Speaker 1>that maybe she might do something bigger? Did you think

0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:20.760
<v Speaker 1>she might go to the press. I really honestly didn't think. So. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So you said that you talked to Hannah prior to

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I think and correct me if I have the

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<v Speaker 1>timeline wrong, but maybe a couple of days after the

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<v Speaker 1>proposal you told Hannah about this girl Haley. Yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 1>actually I told her the morning after our engagement, and

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<v Speaker 1>we were laying in bed and we started disgusting or

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<v Speaker 1>disgusting talking about our past relationships, and I ran her

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<v Speaker 1>through literally everything that I have done, like my mistakes,

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<v Speaker 1>the stages of just like sleeping around the people I

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<v Speaker 1>love thought. I love like we talked about everything. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>never been honestly so open about my past as someone

0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:10.320
<v Speaker 1>or felt like I even could. I was just I

0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:14.359
<v Speaker 1>felt like I could be completely open. So we talked

0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:16.840
<v Speaker 1>about that and when we talked about Haley, but I

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<v Speaker 1>really gave more so my perspective on our relationship, and

0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:29.040
<v Speaker 1>I could see now, I can see now that I

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<v Speaker 1>was not being mindful to how Haley was feeling. I

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<v Speaker 1>was giving my side, my closure, my idea, but without

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about how she might have been feeling in the situation.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, now I see that she was hurt

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<v Speaker 1>and that you know, my behavior and words at times

0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:52.199
<v Speaker 1>were misleading. But like I said, in my head, I

0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:54.919
<v Speaker 1>felt like we had said our goodbyes and known that

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<v Speaker 1>or knew that I was going to step into this

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<v Speaker 1>I think the hard part is with that is, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the thing. You're twenty five, you're twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a musician. You know, in Nashville, when I was

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<v Speaker 1>the bachel right but right before that, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going out, I'm partying, I'm dating guys. I'm dating multiple guys,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know. I think Rachel's actually talked about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Why we think that maybe you know, it's the age

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<v Speaker 1>I get all of that completely. I think what the

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<v Speaker 1>wait for you, meet you at the dock, or I

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<v Speaker 1>remember what you said, and then thinking that that was

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<v Speaker 1>that it was over right, Like, I don't understand. I

0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:33.479
<v Speaker 1>can't connect those two things, do you know what I mean?

0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:34.840
<v Speaker 1>And I think a lot of people listening or and

0:24:34.880 --> 0:24:36.159
<v Speaker 1>I think that same thing. So I want to give

0:24:36.160 --> 0:24:40.000
<v Speaker 1>you the opportunity to sort of explain that, right. I

0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:41.800
<v Speaker 1>would really like to touch on the dock. And a

0:24:41.840 --> 0:24:46.600
<v Speaker 1>lot of people will probably not believe this, but if

0:24:46.600 --> 0:24:49.520
<v Speaker 1>you went to Haley and even asked her, she would

0:24:49.520 --> 0:24:51.520
<v Speaker 1>tell you the truth on this, I would hope. But

0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:54.119
<v Speaker 1>the doc is a metaphorical thing for meditation that I

0:24:54.240 --> 0:24:57.080
<v Speaker 1>taught her. That's what it was. It was not a

0:24:57.119 --> 0:24:59.920
<v Speaker 1>physical doc, and to the public eye, it's going to

0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:02.240
<v Speaker 1>look like an actual doc. And when I read that

0:25:02.280 --> 0:25:04.760
<v Speaker 1>note back, I was like, damn it, that looks like

0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:08.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, let's meet at this dock. But I practice meditation.

0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:12.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm passionate about it. It was something that I taught

0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:14.760
<v Speaker 1>her to do to go to this dock in her

0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:18.159
<v Speaker 1>mind and to like sit there and be at peace,

0:25:19.160 --> 0:25:23.080
<v Speaker 1>and that's what that was. It's so funny. I wish

0:25:23.119 --> 0:25:24.760
<v Speaker 1>you came out and said that right away because that's

0:25:24.800 --> 0:25:26.719
<v Speaker 1>so interesting, you know what I mean, Like I just

0:25:26.800 --> 0:25:28.800
<v Speaker 1>like when I read it back, I was like, there's

0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:31.080
<v Speaker 1>no way anyone would ever believe me on this, but

0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:33.240
<v Speaker 1>it's it's the truth. Like it's the truth. I would

0:25:33.280 --> 0:25:35.280
<v Speaker 1>take a lie detector test, like I would do anything

0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:38.359
<v Speaker 1>like to say or to prove that that is true.

0:25:38.400 --> 0:25:42.040
<v Speaker 1>And I know that Haley, you know, despite all this

0:25:42.119 --> 0:25:44.359
<v Speaker 1>and her anger and being hurt, I know she would

0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:47.280
<v Speaker 1>tell the truth and say that that was a metaphor. Yeah,

0:25:47.320 --> 0:25:50.320
<v Speaker 1>I actually believe you. Un I'm looking at you, staring

0:25:50.320 --> 0:25:52.040
<v Speaker 1>you directly in the eyes, and I can tell you're

0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:53.760
<v Speaker 1>telling the truth right now, So a hundred pers and

0:25:53.760 --> 0:25:56.080
<v Speaker 1>believe you. And I think that does make it different,

0:25:56.240 --> 0:25:58.439
<v Speaker 1>Like I think I'm glad you're getting the opportunity to

0:25:58.440 --> 0:26:01.080
<v Speaker 1>share that because I think saying you've been very clear

0:26:01.080 --> 0:26:03.160
<v Speaker 1>that you loved her, or at least what you thought

0:26:03.200 --> 0:26:05.320
<v Speaker 1>was love at the time, and saying I'll meet you

0:26:05.359 --> 0:26:07.480
<v Speaker 1>at the dock, and seeing that's a meditation point, like

0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:10.920
<v Speaker 1>that I can see that as almost like a goodbye.

0:26:11.000 --> 0:26:13.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of doing this unknown, like I don't know

0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:14.800
<v Speaker 1>what's going to happen for us. I see that now,

0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:17.680
<v Speaker 1>But what I didn't I didn't see it when I

0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:20.199
<v Speaker 1>thought you were literally meeting her at a dock. I know.

0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:22.399
<v Speaker 1>And that's what like when I read the noteback, I

0:26:22.560 --> 0:26:25.760
<v Speaker 1>was liked, like, literally everyone is going to think this

0:26:26.200 --> 0:26:30.800
<v Speaker 1>and not believe this, but well, sorry, Jed, go ahead, No,

0:26:30.920 --> 0:26:33.760
<v Speaker 1>you're go ahead. You have to understand that. The first

0:26:33.760 --> 0:26:36.159
<v Speaker 1>sentence before that is you know where my heart will be?

0:26:36.480 --> 0:26:38.520
<v Speaker 1>Do you feel like you owe Haley and apology? And

0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:42.439
<v Speaker 1>are you going to talk to her? I really just

0:26:42.520 --> 0:26:47.320
<v Speaker 1>need time to digest everything that has happened. Obviously it's

0:26:47.320 --> 0:26:50.400
<v Speaker 1>been a lot. It's been a lot for Hannah, it's

0:26:50.440 --> 0:26:53.000
<v Speaker 1>been a lot for our family, has been a lot

0:26:53.040 --> 0:26:57.320
<v Speaker 1>for me. And you know, I would like to say

0:26:57.400 --> 0:26:59.920
<v Speaker 1>my piece to her, but it would just it would

0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:05.480
<v Speaker 1>take time. I just need time. Yeah, Once you propose

0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:08.840
<v Speaker 1>to Hannah and then the next day you told Hannah

0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:14.320
<v Speaker 1>about Haley, then you went home, were you like, oh god,

0:27:14.600 --> 0:27:18.000
<v Speaker 1>what like I have to tell Haley something like why

0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:21.159
<v Speaker 1>did you decide to ghost her? I guess I'm more thinking,

0:27:21.359 --> 0:27:22.920
<v Speaker 1>did you ever think at some point I have to

0:27:23.000 --> 0:27:30.480
<v Speaker 1>confront Haley again? I felt like I had closure. It's

0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:33.679
<v Speaker 1>clear to me that she did not at all, obviously,

0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:37.199
<v Speaker 1>but due to our discussions about me stepping into this

0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:40.080
<v Speaker 1>unforeseen future and that anything could happen, I really and

0:27:40.160 --> 0:27:47.520
<v Speaker 1>honestly assumed that, you know, it was understood that whatever

0:27:47.600 --> 0:27:51.399
<v Speaker 1>happens happens, and we wanted the best for one another,

0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:54.680
<v Speaker 1>So you truly felt like I just want to be

0:27:54.720 --> 0:27:58.679
<v Speaker 1>clear that when you since you whatever happens happened, and

0:27:58.760 --> 0:28:01.560
<v Speaker 1>what happened was so you were in gauge to Hannah,

0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:04.199
<v Speaker 1>you felt like the door was closed with Haley at

0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:08.840
<v Speaker 1>that point, and you didn't know her an explanation. Like

0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:12.520
<v Speaker 1>I said, again, we had closure over the phone. I

0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:15.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of thought that that was what it was like.

0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:19.639
<v Speaker 1>We knew that anything could happen, and we wanted the

0:28:19.640 --> 0:28:22.280
<v Speaker 1>best for each other, and not out of disrespect, not

0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:25.720
<v Speaker 1>out of like hate or anger. We just understood that,

0:28:26.000 --> 0:28:30.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, anything could happen. And I mean, I now

0:28:30.320 --> 0:28:34.960
<v Speaker 1>see that I was, you know, well, I wasn't like

0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:37.040
<v Speaker 1>wrong for feeling how I felt, because I cared about

0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:39.440
<v Speaker 1>her and I told her that, and I was clearly

0:28:39.440 --> 0:28:42.840
<v Speaker 1>open about that to her. But I can see how

0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:47.960
<v Speaker 1>she's hurt. Like, I understand all of that, Jedna, I

0:28:48.000 --> 0:28:52.480
<v Speaker 1>believe you. And I guess the reason I just I

0:28:52.520 --> 0:28:54.880
<v Speaker 1>feel so much free in the situation is because I

0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:58.040
<v Speaker 1>could have been in your situation, because I have been

0:28:58.120 --> 0:28:59.600
<v Speaker 1>very open that I had a boyfriend before I went

0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:01.840
<v Speaker 1>on the show. He treated me like dirt and cheated

0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:04.440
<v Speaker 1>on me like every weekend. But I couldn't get out

0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:06.400
<v Speaker 1>of the relationship, so I went on The Bachelor to

0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:08.640
<v Speaker 1>get out of that relationship to help me move on.

0:29:09.120 --> 0:29:10.840
<v Speaker 1>I think the last text I sent before I went

0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:12.640
<v Speaker 1>on the show was I love you to him. I'm

0:29:12.640 --> 0:29:15.920
<v Speaker 1>actually pretty sure it was. So I think people are

0:29:15.960 --> 0:29:18.080
<v Speaker 1>going to have a hard time understanding, and I don't

0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:21.440
<v Speaker 1>because again, I've been in your shoes kind of um.

0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:24.880
<v Speaker 1>But people are still and I feel like I'm trying

0:29:24.880 --> 0:29:26.400
<v Speaker 1>to put words in your mouth. But I feel like

0:29:27.440 --> 0:29:30.800
<v Speaker 1>I understand that, whereas people listening are going to be like,

0:29:30.840 --> 0:29:32.880
<v Speaker 1>I still don't get it. You don't say I love you,

0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:36.840
<v Speaker 1>and you know what it was said before, I'll meet

0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:42.200
<v Speaker 1>you at the dock or whatever something else. Well, where

0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:46.200
<v Speaker 1>was the text message that said, whatever happens happens. Where

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:48.520
<v Speaker 1>was the text I think that's where people get lost.

0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:51.320
<v Speaker 1>Where's the text message that says, you know, I'm open

0:29:51.400 --> 0:29:56.960
<v Speaker 1>to whatever. We have an understanding. That's what's lacking, right,

0:29:57.000 --> 0:30:00.400
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's what's hard for people to under stand.

0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:02.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying that I doubt you, Jed. I'm just

0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:05.160
<v Speaker 1>saying that, you know, when it comes to the hard

0:30:05.200 --> 0:30:09.200
<v Speaker 1>facts and the evidence, we only see Lawyer Rachel that Haley.

0:30:09.440 --> 0:30:12.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I decide that Haley's bringing right. But I

0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:16.760
<v Speaker 1>will say that I truly do believe that you fell

0:30:16.840 --> 0:30:19.880
<v Speaker 1>in love with Hannah on the show, and I think

0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:21.840
<v Speaker 1>Ali and I both agree with that. I believe you

0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:24.320
<v Speaker 1>fell in love with her. I believe that you got

0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:28.680
<v Speaker 1>scared when you know by the love that you were feeling,

0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:31.880
<v Speaker 1>and then by knowing what you had left at home,

0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:34.640
<v Speaker 1>and you just kind of it seems like you just

0:30:34.720 --> 0:30:38.920
<v Speaker 1>panicked and thought, I don't know, maybe it'll all just disappear. Right.

0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:43.880
<v Speaker 1>I'll say this, Um, I don't think you have to

0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:48.280
<v Speaker 1>be in a labeled relationship to love someone. I really don't.

0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:52.480
<v Speaker 1>And that was the case. And I'm also confused as

0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:55.600
<v Speaker 1>to why everyone thinks that has to be a text

0:30:56.400 --> 0:31:00.920
<v Speaker 1>for it to have been a conversation. We had conversation,

0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:05.440
<v Speaker 1>face to face, conversation about what could happen, and just

0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:08.080
<v Speaker 1>because it's not out there in a text message doesn't

0:31:08.120 --> 0:31:10.600
<v Speaker 1>mean that that wasn't the case. So have you thought

0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:14.360
<v Speaker 1>about reaching out to Haley and being like, hey, like,

0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:19.280
<v Speaker 1>can you come forward with the truth because what you're

0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:24.320
<v Speaker 1>saying isn't necessarily not you know, can you say these conversations?

0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:26.800
<v Speaker 1>Can you let people know that we had these conversations?

0:31:26.760 --> 0:31:28.560
<v Speaker 1>If you thought about just asking her that, because you're

0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:31.160
<v Speaker 1>obviously being very nice about her. You say she's a

0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:33.600
<v Speaker 1>great girl, You're not going to say anything bad. So

0:31:34.480 --> 0:31:38.479
<v Speaker 1>I'm guessing she's pretty pissed at you. But have you

0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:41.240
<v Speaker 1>considered just being like, hey, do you mind sharing that

0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:42.880
<v Speaker 1>other side of the story. I get that you were

0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:44.520
<v Speaker 1>hurt when you saw I went on the show and

0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:46.920
<v Speaker 1>actually did. Because she's probably hurt that you did fall

0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:49.240
<v Speaker 1>in love. I'm sure she didn't think you would and

0:31:49.280 --> 0:31:51.080
<v Speaker 1>she thought you were coming home to her. That seems

0:31:51.120 --> 0:31:54.360
<v Speaker 1>like that's the scenario here, So have you thought about

0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:56.720
<v Speaker 1>reaching out to her about that? I think that was

0:31:57.120 --> 0:32:02.800
<v Speaker 1>in her mind the best case scenario, and I honestly

0:32:02.840 --> 0:32:06.000
<v Speaker 1>have not. I didn't consider reaching out because my relationship

0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:09.240
<v Speaker 1>with Hannah was my number one priority. Yeah, I have

0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:12.640
<v Speaker 1>a question for you, Jed. I'm I personally am not

0:32:12.800 --> 0:32:17.360
<v Speaker 1>as sympathetic to Haley, just to be honest, because if

0:32:17.400 --> 0:32:20.520
<v Speaker 1>you guys had this understanding, she knew exactly what you

0:32:20.560 --> 0:32:23.080
<v Speaker 1>were going on the show to do as well, and

0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:27.680
<v Speaker 1>so at the same time, she's kind of at fault

0:32:27.720 --> 0:32:30.640
<v Speaker 1>as well to a point, right, Like, I get that

0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:34.080
<v Speaker 1>there weren't truths that were told. I understand all of that,

0:32:34.200 --> 0:32:36.400
<v Speaker 1>but she agreed for you to go on this show

0:32:36.680 --> 0:32:39.360
<v Speaker 1>and to do what you were doing. Okay, So I'm

0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:42.680
<v Speaker 1>not a hundred percent sympathetic towards some people think she

0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:45.080
<v Speaker 1>didn't agree, Like some people think that her heart was

0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:49.480
<v Speaker 1>broken and he was going She was very supportive about it, exactly. Yeah,

0:32:49.560 --> 0:32:52.000
<v Speaker 1>that says something about her. She knew he was going

0:32:52.040 --> 0:32:54.400
<v Speaker 1>on this show, she knew that he was going to

0:32:54.520 --> 0:32:57.720
<v Speaker 1>use the show initially as a platform for his music,

0:32:57.800 --> 0:33:00.600
<v Speaker 1>and she was okay with it. Why is nobody saying

0:33:00.600 --> 0:33:03.000
<v Speaker 1>that that's a character fall. I'm sorry it is. So

0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:06.600
<v Speaker 1>here's my question to you, Jed. Do you think that

0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Haley came out because she was Do you think that

0:33:10.000 --> 0:33:12.440
<v Speaker 1>Haley came out to speak to the press because she

0:33:12.560 --> 0:33:15.000
<v Speaker 1>was hurt or do you think she came out to

0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:18.280
<v Speaker 1>use it as a platform for her own music. I

0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:25.240
<v Speaker 1>know that she's hurt, but I know also that there's

0:33:25.240 --> 0:33:28.720
<v Speaker 1>a good chance that she was seizing the opportunity as well.

0:33:29.560 --> 0:33:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Of course she was jed. I mean, and you can't

0:33:31.880 --> 0:33:34.360
<v Speaker 1>really falter for it because you did it too. And yeah,

0:33:34.360 --> 0:33:36.600
<v Speaker 1>and another thing I don't understand is like she waited

0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:38.520
<v Speaker 1>till I had like a two hundred and fifty thousand

0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:41.560
<v Speaker 1>followers to come out and say this, so like, I

0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:45.160
<v Speaker 1>think it was intended to obviously hurt me. And what

0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:49.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't understand is if you know, if you really

0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:53.800
<v Speaker 1>do love someone, no matter how promising they've made it seem,

0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 1>if they're going on a dating show, regardless of why

0:33:56.560 --> 0:33:58.960
<v Speaker 1>they're going on a dating show, why would you stay

0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:02.920
<v Speaker 1>with them? And like why if for me, if I

0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:05.320
<v Speaker 1>was in a relationship, I would not have gone onto

0:34:05.360 --> 0:34:08.759
<v Speaker 1>a dating show. That's just me. I'm not a I'm

0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:11.160
<v Speaker 1>not a cheater. And you know, and with my time

0:34:11.160 --> 0:34:13.040
<v Speaker 1>with Haley, I did hang out with other people. I

0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:15.719
<v Speaker 1>did I did date other people. I sup with other people,

0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:19.319
<v Speaker 1>like I. We were not in an exclusive relationship. Does

0:34:19.400 --> 0:34:21.719
<v Speaker 1>she know that? Did she know you were sleeping with

0:34:21.760 --> 0:34:25.759
<v Speaker 1>other people? No, because there was no We'd never had conversation,

0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:29.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, saying this was this. You know, we we

0:34:29.360 --> 0:34:33.000
<v Speaker 1>had never committed to being in an exclusive relationship. She's

0:34:33.120 --> 0:34:36.759
<v Speaker 1>rightfully hurt, and I see that. I understand that. But

0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:39.560
<v Speaker 1>the facts are the facts. Whether she wants to come

0:34:39.600 --> 0:34:43.520
<v Speaker 1>forward with it or not, there was conversation and clarity

0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:49.759
<v Speaker 1>on my on my path. Yeah. What about these reports

0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:53.120
<v Speaker 1>that once you got back from filming you were hooking

0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:55.680
<v Speaker 1>up and flirting with other women while you were still

0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:59.400
<v Speaker 1>engaged to Hannah? Is any of that true? Absolutely? Not

0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:03.719
<v Speaker 1>one hundred or something? Now? It is it maybe the

0:35:03.760 --> 0:35:06.360
<v Speaker 1>case that y'all had already broken up, because according to Hannah,

0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:11.160
<v Speaker 1>you guys broke up June eighteenth, so or ended the engagement.

0:35:11.320 --> 0:35:14.280
<v Speaker 1>I should say, you guys ended the engagement June eighteenth.

0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:17.480
<v Speaker 1>Is there any truth that after that maybe you decided, Okay,

0:35:17.480 --> 0:35:21.279
<v Speaker 1>well we're done. Maybe I'll just you know, see what

0:35:21.320 --> 0:35:25.480
<v Speaker 1>else is out there. My heart was broken, now, okay, Yeah,

0:35:25.560 --> 0:35:29.920
<v Speaker 1>I can see the look on your face and that's actual.

0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:34.040
<v Speaker 1>I want to ask you this question too, before we

0:35:34.080 --> 0:35:37.479
<v Speaker 1>get into things that happened after Afar, and I'm thinking

0:35:37.480 --> 0:35:39.800
<v Speaker 1>of burning questions, and I'm thinking of things that people

0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:42.839
<v Speaker 1>have wondered about you, and now you have your chance

0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:44.560
<v Speaker 1>to talk about it. And like Ali and I said

0:35:44.560 --> 0:35:46.040
<v Speaker 1>at the beginning, we want to give you that space

0:35:46.080 --> 0:35:51.560
<v Speaker 1>to do that. Once you told Hannah that you initially

0:35:51.600 --> 0:35:54.799
<v Speaker 1>came on the show for your music, why at that

0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:59.280
<v Speaker 1>point did you continue to play your music and showcase

0:35:59.320 --> 0:36:02.480
<v Speaker 1>it throughout the show. I am so glad that you

0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:08.520
<v Speaker 1>asked this question. Good. So, when I brought my guitar

0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:10.640
<v Speaker 1>to the show, I actually had no idea that I

0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:11.920
<v Speaker 1>was going to be able to play as much as

0:36:11.920 --> 0:36:14.279
<v Speaker 1>I did. I brought it to have something to do

0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:17.480
<v Speaker 1>in my downtime. Obviously it's my passion. I love it.

0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:20.040
<v Speaker 1>I knew that I would be writing in my downtime,

0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:24.719
<v Speaker 1>and there is you know, there's times that I would

0:36:24.719 --> 0:36:28.560
<v Speaker 1>be like writing a song for Hannah, and you know,

0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:30.880
<v Speaker 1>someone from production would hear it. I would play it

0:36:30.880 --> 0:36:32.359
<v Speaker 1>for them. They're like, you should play that for her,

0:36:32.719 --> 0:36:34.960
<v Speaker 1>And then I was lucky enough to get to do

0:36:35.000 --> 0:36:37.520
<v Speaker 1>that on multiple occasions. I never would have dreamed that

0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:38.839
<v Speaker 1>I got to do it as much as I did.

0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:41.719
<v Speaker 1>And I can see where people are like, you're showcasing,

0:36:41.719 --> 0:36:44.520
<v Speaker 1>You're showcasing, you're showcasing, when really it was me being

0:36:44.920 --> 0:36:49.800
<v Speaker 1>given the opportunity, given the opportunity to do to play.

0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:52.400
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, I guess, can't you understand how you

0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:54.160
<v Speaker 1>know what I just told this girl that I came

0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:58.200
<v Speaker 1>on this show to use my music, to use this

0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:01.439
<v Speaker 1>platform to showcase my music, and now here you are

0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:05.319
<v Speaker 1>showcasing your music every opportunity that you can get, at

0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:08.239
<v Speaker 1>least what we saw in watching it. I mean all

0:37:08.239 --> 0:37:10.400
<v Speaker 1>the way from the very beginning of stepping out of

0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:13.719
<v Speaker 1>the limo to the proposal at the end. So you

0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:16.040
<v Speaker 1>can understand, how did it never crossed your mind? You

0:37:16.040 --> 0:37:17.920
<v Speaker 1>know what? Maybe I have told just put the guitar

0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:21.360
<v Speaker 1>down and talk to her. Prior to me telling Hannah

0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:25.200
<v Speaker 1>to about how I came from music, she told me

0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:27.400
<v Speaker 1>that when I showed when I showed up, she was

0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:30.120
<v Speaker 1>skeptical about the fact that, you know, I played guitar

0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:34.040
<v Speaker 1>for her night one, and that she kind of felt like, oh,

0:37:34.040 --> 0:37:36.960
<v Speaker 1>this is just another guy here from music. But up

0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:38.719
<v Speaker 1>to this point, I can tell that you're here for me,

0:37:38.960 --> 0:37:40.600
<v Speaker 1>and that was edited out, and that was before I

0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:42.719
<v Speaker 1>even told her anything, and I was like, wow, it's

0:37:42.719 --> 0:37:45.160
<v Speaker 1>crazy that you just said that, because then I told

0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:47.839
<v Speaker 1>her my piece why I showed up, so she could

0:37:47.840 --> 0:37:50.840
<v Speaker 1>tell that my emotion had completely flipped and that I

0:37:50.880 --> 0:37:53.919
<v Speaker 1>was there for her at this point and on that date,

0:37:56.560 --> 0:37:58.640
<v Speaker 1>I was unaware of it. But they brought my guitar

0:37:59.160 --> 0:38:03.040
<v Speaker 1>and they put it in another room and Hannah, after

0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:05.839
<v Speaker 1>we had talked and she gave me the rose, led

0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:07.680
<v Speaker 1>me into this room where my guitar was, and she

0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:09.760
<v Speaker 1>wanted me to play her a song. And I happened

0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:14.200
<v Speaker 1>to have wrote a song the night before, so she

0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:16.759
<v Speaker 1>she liked when I played and wanted me to play.

0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:20.400
<v Speaker 1>And even after the show, when we were engaged, she

0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:22.239
<v Speaker 1>was very encouraging and wanted me to bring my guitar

0:38:22.239 --> 0:38:24.680
<v Speaker 1>and wanted me to play for her. And you know

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:27.160
<v Speaker 1>that meant a lot to me because something I love

0:38:27.719 --> 0:38:30.799
<v Speaker 1>it was your love language. Yeah, absolutely, it is your

0:38:30.840 --> 0:38:35.200
<v Speaker 1>love language. What love language is that? Well, it's how

0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:37.920
<v Speaker 1>he expresses himself. I mean, you're a writer, because honestly,

0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:42.440
<v Speaker 1>I think you express yourself. I think watching back sometimes

0:38:42.480 --> 0:38:44.359
<v Speaker 1>I'd be like Chad, I just want to see more

0:38:44.360 --> 0:38:47.080
<v Speaker 1>emotion out of you. And you're a very like kind

0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:50.360
<v Speaker 1>of chill guy. And I mean, I don't want to

0:38:50.360 --> 0:38:52.640
<v Speaker 1>put words in your mouth, but the way I saw it,

0:38:52.640 --> 0:38:56.160
<v Speaker 1>it was like that's how you express yourself, right, I mean, yeah,

0:38:56.200 --> 0:38:57.680
<v Speaker 1>It's been like that since I was a little I've

0:38:57.719 --> 0:38:59.680
<v Speaker 1>been I started on piano when I was just like

0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:05.160
<v Speaker 1>five years old. That's just always been It's very outlet.

0:39:05.320 --> 0:39:07.840
<v Speaker 1>It's interesting that you bring up that Hannah like asked

0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:11.360
<v Speaker 1>you to play for her, like she like enjoyed that,

0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:13.799
<v Speaker 1>So I'm sure that encourage you to do it more

0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:17.560
<v Speaker 1>knowing that it's something that she really liked that you did. Absolutely. Yeah,

0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:20.000
<v Speaker 1>And there was times that like I didn't want to

0:39:20.000 --> 0:39:21.719
<v Speaker 1>play because I was like, I don't want her to

0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:23.359
<v Speaker 1>feel like this. I don't want her to feel like this,

0:39:23.520 --> 0:39:26.120
<v Speaker 1>And her and I had conversations. She never felt that way.

0:39:26.200 --> 0:39:28.680
<v Speaker 1>She never felt like I was showcasing. I can see

0:39:28.719 --> 0:39:31.000
<v Speaker 1>where the world would would say that, because it's like

0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:33.920
<v Speaker 1>almost every episode I came walking up with that guitar,

0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:35.880
<v Speaker 1>and I saw so many memes like here comes a

0:39:35.960 --> 0:39:40.080
<v Speaker 1>jet with that I actually got out of guitar mini

0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:43.920
<v Speaker 1>guitar to the podcast with me, But no, I mean,

0:39:44.040 --> 0:39:45.759
<v Speaker 1>look out there, I know a lot of people are

0:39:45.880 --> 0:39:48.440
<v Speaker 1>just gonna I feel for you, like in a lot

0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:51.000
<v Speaker 1>of the situation, I definitely think you mess like dub

0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:52.880
<v Speaker 1>And I've said this already at the beginning. I'm you

0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:55.400
<v Speaker 1>messed up with not being super honest about Haley. And

0:39:55.440 --> 0:39:57.320
<v Speaker 1>I know you kind of think you were, but you weren't,

0:39:57.440 --> 0:40:00.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, And I understand that that came from fear um,

0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:02.600
<v Speaker 1>But I don't blame you for the guitar so for

0:40:02.680 --> 0:40:05.040
<v Speaker 1>any of that other stuff. I like I said, But

0:40:05.760 --> 0:40:07.960
<v Speaker 1>one thing I do want to discuss is are you

0:40:08.000 --> 0:40:10.200
<v Speaker 1>mad at Hannah? Like do you have anger towards her?

0:40:10.200 --> 0:40:13.600
<v Speaker 1>At this point? You know, I'm not angry at all.

0:40:13.800 --> 0:40:16.680
<v Speaker 1>I think more than anything, I'm just really sad. I

0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:20.319
<v Speaker 1>just feel, you know that, And just like I know

0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:23.239
<v Speaker 1>she's sad and hurt too, and I know that she

0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:25.239
<v Speaker 1>now has her closure and we'll move on and that's

0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:29.080
<v Speaker 1>that's that's great. But the reason I ask, and this

0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:30.279
<v Speaker 1>is why I ask, because people are gonna be like,

0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:31.760
<v Speaker 1>what do you mean why would he be mad at Hannah?

0:40:31.840 --> 0:40:34.080
<v Speaker 1>And the reason I asked that is because you did,

0:40:34.160 --> 0:40:38.320
<v Speaker 1>like some comments on Instagram of people saying she slept

0:40:38.360 --> 0:40:41.560
<v Speaker 1>with you know, a bunch of guys. Two guys. Um,

0:40:42.640 --> 0:40:46.560
<v Speaker 1>why did you do that? I tapped the comment to

0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:48.680
<v Speaker 1>go see if he was replying to someone, and I

0:40:48.719 --> 0:40:51.520
<v Speaker 1>liked it. You tap the comment to see if who

0:40:51.560 --> 0:40:56.560
<v Speaker 1>was replying. The comment rolled into my notifications. I tapped it.

0:40:56.840 --> 0:40:59.520
<v Speaker 1>Wherever I tapped it, it liked it. Period. Did you

0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:02.080
<v Speaker 1>not really? Is that? I had no idea until someone

0:41:02.239 --> 0:41:03.719
<v Speaker 1>sent me an article to be like. They were like,

0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:06.080
<v Speaker 1>what why did you do that? And I was like,

0:41:06.920 --> 0:41:10.000
<v Speaker 1>oh shit, Like I didn't mean to do that. I

0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:12.120
<v Speaker 1>don't want to feel that way. I mean, don't get

0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:14.600
<v Speaker 1>me wrong, it's like not easy to hear the things

0:41:14.600 --> 0:41:17.120
<v Speaker 1>that I've heard watching back on the season. You know,

0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:19.520
<v Speaker 1>it's like a really weird thing to see someone that

0:41:19.560 --> 0:41:23.080
<v Speaker 1>you love so much be so open about other people.

0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:27.200
<v Speaker 1>It's are you referring to the windmill? Absolutely? Yeah, It's

0:41:27.239 --> 0:41:29.120
<v Speaker 1>like it's it's hard to hear. I know that's the

0:41:29.200 --> 0:41:31.759
<v Speaker 1>name of the game, that's the show, but it's not

0:41:31.880 --> 0:41:36.000
<v Speaker 1>easy to hear when it's someone. So that was a mistake,

0:41:36.080 --> 0:41:39.520
<v Speaker 1>but I'll own it. I did like it. Um, how

0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:42.319
<v Speaker 1>many comments did you like, like that was that the

0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:51.720
<v Speaker 1>only one I don't know? I don't know. I mean,

0:41:51.760 --> 0:41:53.279
<v Speaker 1>that's the only one I'm aware of. That's the only

0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:58.080
<v Speaker 1>article I've seen. Yeah, I mean, I get that that

0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:00.839
<v Speaker 1>could be a mistake. I mean, but I also get

0:42:00.880 --> 0:42:02.920
<v Speaker 1>and the reason I thought maybe he did like it

0:42:03.040 --> 0:42:10.200
<v Speaker 1>is I understand how hurtful that would be. You know,

0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:15.120
<v Speaker 1>I being the past specialor I can say that if

0:42:15.160 --> 0:42:18.279
<v Speaker 1>my who cares about my story, But if my Top

0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:20.480
<v Speaker 1>three guy hadn't left me, I would have slept with

0:42:20.520 --> 0:42:22.480
<v Speaker 1>more than one person in the fantasy suite. I would have.

0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:25.959
<v Speaker 1>I didn't because my guy left me, but I would

0:42:26.000 --> 0:42:29.719
<v Speaker 1>have because I know how important physical intimacy is on

0:42:29.760 --> 0:42:31.719
<v Speaker 1>the show, and if you're about to get engage with someone,

0:42:31.719 --> 0:42:33.200
<v Speaker 1>you probably want to know like do you have a

0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:36.520
<v Speaker 1>physical connection? Yeah? Yeah, But I also putting myself in

0:42:36.560 --> 0:42:39.920
<v Speaker 1>the other people's shoes because I left Top four when

0:42:39.920 --> 0:42:44.360
<v Speaker 1>I was a contestant. That has got a sting. And

0:42:44.480 --> 0:42:46.560
<v Speaker 1>I get that you have a lot of wrongs and

0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:49.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, but it's still you're a human being and

0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:52.279
<v Speaker 1>that's got to hurt too, Like what did you did

0:42:52.280 --> 0:42:54.920
<v Speaker 1>you feel anything? When she's talking about two times in

0:42:54.960 --> 0:42:58.200
<v Speaker 1>the windmill, right, Well it was actually four times. Well yeah, yeah,

0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:01.160
<v Speaker 1>but she said two times, you guys are already broken up.

0:43:01.160 --> 0:43:03.080
<v Speaker 1>When she said four times, you'd already split up, but

0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:07.799
<v Speaker 1>you are engaged when the two times thing, or had

0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:09.640
<v Speaker 1>you already split it up at the journey? We had

0:43:09.960 --> 0:43:13.360
<v Speaker 1>been split up at that point, So how did you feel?

0:43:14.040 --> 0:43:16.400
<v Speaker 1>It was just, you know, I knew about Peter at

0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:18.319
<v Speaker 1>that point. I didn't know the details. I didn't care

0:43:18.360 --> 0:43:21.439
<v Speaker 1>to know the details because you know, I just don't

0:43:21.520 --> 0:43:25.520
<v Speaker 1>really love to hear about that kind of thing. Yeah,

0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:31.359
<v Speaker 1>but it's just weird, you know, it's weird. I think

0:43:31.360 --> 0:43:34.359
<v Speaker 1>it would be weird for just about anyone to see

0:43:34.400 --> 0:43:37.600
<v Speaker 1>someone that you care about a lot um be open

0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:41.440
<v Speaker 1>and talk about sleeping with someone else. And you know

0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:45.640
<v Speaker 1>that's her role in this was her journey, and she's

0:43:45.680 --> 0:43:48.960
<v Speaker 1>not wrong for doing it, Like, there's nothing really wrong

0:43:49.040 --> 0:43:51.960
<v Speaker 1>with it, but it does stink, you know, you just

0:43:52.120 --> 0:43:54.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm there's not really anything you can do to prepare

0:43:55.200 --> 0:43:59.600
<v Speaker 1>yourself to watch someone you care about be open about that.

0:44:02.360 --> 0:44:05.279
<v Speaker 1>Ali asked you if you were angry at Hannah, But

0:44:05.640 --> 0:44:09.520
<v Speaker 1>I guess my question is, can you blame Hannah for

0:44:09.600 --> 0:44:12.759
<v Speaker 1>the way that she's reacted since finding out everything she

0:44:12.840 --> 0:44:18.520
<v Speaker 1>did about Haley. Absolutely not. She was very straightforward about

0:44:19.920 --> 0:44:23.320
<v Speaker 1>how she wanted honesty and openness from the very beginning,

0:44:23.400 --> 0:44:25.879
<v Speaker 1>from night one, she was open about that. So I

0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:30.719
<v Speaker 1>can see entirely how and why she feels the way

0:44:30.760 --> 0:44:34.360
<v Speaker 1>she feels right now or felt. I want to follow

0:44:34.440 --> 0:44:36.520
<v Speaker 1>up on something you said on GMA. You know, when

0:44:36.520 --> 0:44:40.319
<v Speaker 1>you were talking to Michael Strahan, you said to him

0:44:40.320 --> 0:44:44.520
<v Speaker 1>that you had discussed with Hannah Hailey. But did your

0:44:44.560 --> 0:44:48.600
<v Speaker 1>discussions mirror the article that came out in People magazine?

0:44:49.640 --> 0:44:53.520
<v Speaker 1>There was details in the article that, like I said before,

0:44:53.840 --> 0:44:56.640
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't even considering her side or her feelings. I

0:44:57.200 --> 0:44:59.600
<v Speaker 1>told her pretty much from my perspective what we were

0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:04.840
<v Speaker 1>and it felt like without considering how she was feeling,

0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:06.880
<v Speaker 1>And that's my fault, and I'll own up to it.

0:45:07.200 --> 0:45:09.680
<v Speaker 1>I want to give you an opportunity to clear things up,

0:45:09.760 --> 0:45:12.680
<v Speaker 1>because this is the first time you've really been able

0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:16.280
<v Speaker 1>to just talk freely. You know, it's not a TV segment,

0:45:16.600 --> 0:45:20.319
<v Speaker 1>it's an open conversation, and so I guess i'd also

0:45:20.360 --> 0:45:23.759
<v Speaker 1>ask you, is there something yet that we haven't addressed

0:45:23.800 --> 0:45:26.800
<v Speaker 1>that you want to clear up? Because everyone's been asking

0:45:26.960 --> 0:45:29.239
<v Speaker 1>or assuming certain things. I think at this point you

0:45:29.239 --> 0:45:32.000
<v Speaker 1>can assume that if there's a click eleton in your closet,

0:45:32.040 --> 0:45:35.160
<v Speaker 1>it's going to come out. At this point, absolutely, there's

0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:38.560
<v Speaker 1>no I mean, I feel like We've touched a lot

0:45:38.600 --> 0:45:41.000
<v Speaker 1>of the points that I've ever wanted to make that

0:45:41.040 --> 0:45:43.799
<v Speaker 1>I've kept quiet over because all I wanted to do

0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:46.520
<v Speaker 1>is mend the relationship with Hannah. I didn't come out

0:45:47.040 --> 0:45:50.040
<v Speaker 1>and defend myself immediately. I could have. I could have

0:45:50.040 --> 0:45:52.719
<v Speaker 1>came out and did any I could have defended myself

0:45:53.160 --> 0:45:55.719
<v Speaker 1>off the bat with the Hailey situation and spoke just

0:45:55.800 --> 0:45:59.040
<v Speaker 1>on behalf of that. But what was important to me

0:45:59.560 --> 0:46:05.480
<v Speaker 1>was Hannah and trying to fix that. And that's just it.

0:46:06.040 --> 0:46:08.120
<v Speaker 1>Have you guys spoken since after the final rose at all?

0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:11.360
<v Speaker 1>Or is your contact completely cut off? We haven't spoken,

0:46:11.719 --> 0:46:16.120
<v Speaker 1>and you know, I feel like down the road we

0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:19.480
<v Speaker 1>could have friendship. I mean, she's great and we have

0:46:19.600 --> 0:46:22.680
<v Speaker 1>always got along, we have a great time. I think

0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:27.560
<v Speaker 1>she's an amazing woman. She's strong, she she killed her

0:46:27.680 --> 0:46:30.520
<v Speaker 1>role at this I mean, you can't ask for someone

0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:38.200
<v Speaker 1>to be more passionate, more open, and she did everything

0:46:39.200 --> 0:46:44.359
<v Speaker 1>in my opinion great. She did great, and I just

0:46:45.920 --> 0:46:47.920
<v Speaker 1>I hope down the road that we can be friends.

0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:50.080
<v Speaker 1>Do you think her and Tyler are going to end

0:46:50.120 --> 0:46:53.239
<v Speaker 1>up together? How do you feel about that situation? Kind

0:46:53.239 --> 0:46:54.880
<v Speaker 1>Of like I said on Good Morning America, I just

0:46:54.920 --> 0:46:58.560
<v Speaker 1>had a weird feeling going into after the final Rose

0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:02.359
<v Speaker 1>that something like that could happen. Tyler's an amazing guy.

0:47:03.480 --> 0:47:07.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't fault her for saying what she did or

0:47:07.400 --> 0:47:10.160
<v Speaker 1>asking him. Or has your relationship with any of the

0:47:10.200 --> 0:47:13.120
<v Speaker 1>guys change with all this coming out? Or have they

0:47:13.200 --> 0:47:15.759
<v Speaker 1>been supportive? Because do you talk to the guys? I

0:47:16.120 --> 0:47:19.440
<v Speaker 1>could not have asked for, honestly, a better group of

0:47:19.480 --> 0:47:21.799
<v Speaker 1>people to go into this with. They've been supportive and

0:47:21.880 --> 0:47:26.040
<v Speaker 1>kind to me and you know, obviously offering their opinions

0:47:26.120 --> 0:47:30.759
<v Speaker 1>on the situation and you know, telling me things that

0:47:31.560 --> 0:47:37.000
<v Speaker 1>you know are helpful, and they've I mean they've they're

0:47:37.040 --> 0:47:39.880
<v Speaker 1>great friends. I mean, obviously there's a couple that I

0:47:39.920 --> 0:47:42.720
<v Speaker 1>don't talk to you as much. But yeah, well, assuming

0:47:42.719 --> 0:47:48.000
<v Speaker 1>you don't talk to Luke um, So, like, did any

0:47:48.080 --> 0:47:51.239
<v Speaker 1>of the guys like call you out and say, hey, Jed,

0:47:51.320 --> 0:47:55.760
<v Speaker 1>what the heck? Or were they like what did they say?

0:47:56.719 --> 0:47:59.520
<v Speaker 1>No one called me out? It was it was more

0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:03.600
<v Speaker 1>so just Nick Vile. None of the guys on my

0:48:03.680 --> 0:48:08.080
<v Speaker 1>season has said anything. Yeah, because Nick, let's let's expect

0:48:08.239 --> 0:48:10.120
<v Speaker 1>on that. I don't even know what you're talking about.

0:48:10.120 --> 0:48:13.600
<v Speaker 1>What has nick le? Let's talk about it? How do you?

0:48:14.000 --> 0:48:16.400
<v Speaker 1>And Okay, So I think it's great that you have

0:48:16.520 --> 0:48:19.480
<v Speaker 1>received support from the guys from your season. And I'll

0:48:19.480 --> 0:48:22.440
<v Speaker 1>be honest, I've talked to several guys from your season

0:48:22.520 --> 0:48:26.080
<v Speaker 1>and they all have great things to say about you.

0:48:26.160 --> 0:48:28.719
<v Speaker 1>Even when I tried to dig I tried to say,

0:48:28.760 --> 0:48:31.000
<v Speaker 1>but okay, yeah, Peter last week he had great things

0:48:31.000 --> 0:48:33.160
<v Speaker 1>to say about you. Yeah, And we're like, okay, but

0:48:33.280 --> 0:48:36.680
<v Speaker 1>maybe this No, They're like we were. We lived with Jed.

0:48:36.760 --> 0:48:39.839
<v Speaker 1>He's actually a really great guy. We understand what you've

0:48:39.880 --> 0:48:42.399
<v Speaker 1>seen in the media. We understand, you know, certain things

0:48:42.400 --> 0:48:44.439
<v Speaker 1>that have popped up, But Jed is really a good person.

0:48:44.560 --> 0:48:47.440
<v Speaker 1>Even Hannah said, you know, she fell in love with

0:48:47.440 --> 0:48:49.680
<v Speaker 1>with the goodness, the good part of you. She knows

0:48:49.680 --> 0:48:52.000
<v Speaker 1>it's in there for you and maybe this whole situation

0:48:52.640 --> 0:48:55.319
<v Speaker 1>will prepare you for the next person. So she acknowledges

0:48:55.360 --> 0:48:58.200
<v Speaker 1>it as well. But since you brought up Nick Vile,

0:48:58.880 --> 0:49:01.719
<v Speaker 1>what what do you because that's who season I was

0:49:01.760 --> 0:49:08.319
<v Speaker 1>on what what do you think about past contestants or

0:49:08.400 --> 0:49:12.399
<v Speaker 1>past leads offering their opinion opinion in such a way

0:49:12.400 --> 0:49:15.600
<v Speaker 1>because you obviously feel strongly about things that he has said.

0:49:16.120 --> 0:49:18.239
<v Speaker 1>And I think you know, obviously Rachel and I have

0:49:18.320 --> 0:49:21.640
<v Speaker 1>this podcast and we are giving our opinion, so we're

0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:24.720
<v Speaker 1>sharing our opinion as alumni too. I think the difference

0:49:24.840 --> 0:49:28.440
<v Speaker 1>is there's a way to be respectful about it. Yeah, totally,

0:49:28.480 --> 0:49:32.480
<v Speaker 1>and you guys do that perfectly in my opinion. I mean,

0:49:33.200 --> 0:49:37.440
<v Speaker 1>everyone's entitled their opinion, and with social media, people are

0:49:38.480 --> 0:49:41.640
<v Speaker 1>very quick to jump on what's the most popular thing

0:49:41.719 --> 0:49:45.000
<v Speaker 1>happening and how they can use it to benefit themselves,

0:49:45.960 --> 0:49:48.920
<v Speaker 1>get retweets, to get retweets, to get likes. And I

0:49:49.000 --> 0:49:51.680
<v Speaker 1>understand that. I've been, as a recently the talk of

0:49:51.680 --> 0:49:56.560
<v Speaker 1>the town, so I see why people are doing doing that.

0:49:56.680 --> 0:49:59.200
<v Speaker 1>But it's like, get to know me before you talk shit,

0:49:59.640 --> 0:50:03.200
<v Speaker 1>and if you come with my family, like, I don't

0:50:03.200 --> 0:50:06.120
<v Speaker 1>do that. Did he do that? I've seen him say

0:50:06.160 --> 0:50:08.960
<v Speaker 1>some some slurs and stuff on Twitter and it's just,

0:50:09.160 --> 0:50:14.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's like have some respect. So you feel

0:50:14.360 --> 0:50:18.279
<v Speaker 1>like he's doing it to try to stay relevant. Absolutely,

0:50:18.360 --> 0:50:23.080
<v Speaker 1>Are you kidding me? That's what he thrives off. Oh yeah, well,

0:50:23.120 --> 0:50:26.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean I'm with you. I I mean, not with

0:50:26.080 --> 0:50:30.320
<v Speaker 1>the knixing. But I think people are not just social

0:50:30.520 --> 0:50:33.799
<v Speaker 1>or not just past Bachelor contestants in general. People have

0:50:34.080 --> 0:50:36.040
<v Speaker 1>the screen up when they're on the internet and feel

0:50:36.040 --> 0:50:37.520
<v Speaker 1>like they can say whatever they want. And the reason

0:50:37.600 --> 0:50:40.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm so happy that you're here, Jet is because not

0:50:40.920 --> 0:50:42.640
<v Speaker 1>only of all the guys said great things about you,

0:50:42.719 --> 0:50:44.879
<v Speaker 1>Hannah has said great things about you, despite how hurt

0:50:44.960 --> 0:50:47.880
<v Speaker 1>she is. I'm you know, we're sitting here talking to you.

0:50:48.280 --> 0:50:50.279
<v Speaker 1>We can see that you're a good person. Of course

0:50:50.280 --> 0:50:54.399
<v Speaker 1>you're a good person. You just really fucked up, you did.

0:50:54.800 --> 0:50:58.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, can you say that right now that I

0:50:58.320 --> 0:51:01.640
<v Speaker 1>mess up big time? I can see all my faults

0:51:01.719 --> 0:51:03.719
<v Speaker 1>and like I said, I'm going to grow from it

0:51:03.880 --> 0:51:06.480
<v Speaker 1>and it is going to make me a better person.

0:51:07.120 --> 0:51:10.000
<v Speaker 1>It just it's crazy when it's in the public eye

0:51:10.000 --> 0:51:11.960
<v Speaker 1>that you have to go through something like this and

0:51:13.360 --> 0:51:17.759
<v Speaker 1>be open to everyone's opinions and judgment. But you know, absolutely,

0:51:17.800 --> 0:51:21.239
<v Speaker 1>I can see all my faults. Yeah, Jed, I think

0:51:21.280 --> 0:51:25.080
<v Speaker 1>that you learn the hardest lesson on the biggest stage,

0:51:25.560 --> 0:51:28.360
<v Speaker 1>and it'll be something that you grow from at the

0:51:28.480 --> 0:51:32.160
<v Speaker 1>end of the day. Like we talk about Hannah strength

0:51:32.239 --> 0:51:34.120
<v Speaker 1>and everything that she went through, and she did go

0:51:34.160 --> 0:51:36.520
<v Speaker 1>through a lot. But at the same time, you have

0:51:36.560 --> 0:51:39.200
<v Speaker 1>to be really strong on your end, and she gave

0:51:39.239 --> 0:51:40.840
<v Speaker 1>that to you. You know, when she talked about Grace

0:51:40.880 --> 0:51:43.880
<v Speaker 1>on the stage, she said, I know that you have

0:51:43.960 --> 0:51:45.719
<v Speaker 1>a lot of critics. I have them too, but I

0:51:45.760 --> 0:51:47.640
<v Speaker 1>know people are coming down on you, and I'll even

0:51:47.680 --> 0:51:50.440
<v Speaker 1>be honest. When she was on straight hand and Sarah,

0:51:50.520 --> 0:51:52.480
<v Speaker 1>she said, I don't want to say anything about him

0:51:52.480 --> 0:51:55.359
<v Speaker 1>because so many people are already coming at him. So

0:51:55.400 --> 0:51:57.080
<v Speaker 1>it takes a lot of strength for you to be

0:51:57.120 --> 0:52:02.560
<v Speaker 1>able to come sit with us. Do have these tough conversations,

0:52:02.760 --> 0:52:04.200
<v Speaker 1>but we thank you for it, and we thank you

0:52:04.239 --> 0:52:06.720
<v Speaker 1>for being, you know, strong enough to tell your side

0:52:06.719 --> 0:52:09.000
<v Speaker 1>of the story. I do want to ask you, though,

0:52:09.600 --> 0:52:11.800
<v Speaker 1>what's next for you? I think a lot of people

0:52:11.840 --> 0:52:14.400
<v Speaker 1>want to know, what do you want to do now?

0:52:14.800 --> 0:52:25.080
<v Speaker 1>Paradise Just kidding, Dylan's going you know, really, I just

0:52:25.120 --> 0:52:28.600
<v Speaker 1>want to take the next bit and just focus on

0:52:28.640 --> 0:52:32.839
<v Speaker 1>my spiritual and mental health. That's it. I mean, the

0:52:32.880 --> 0:52:36.400
<v Speaker 1>weight of all this has been insane, and you know,

0:52:36.480 --> 0:52:39.879
<v Speaker 1>I just want to surround myself with good people and

0:52:40.360 --> 0:52:44.600
<v Speaker 1>really just work on my soul. And I'm glad you

0:52:44.600 --> 0:52:47.439
<v Speaker 1>brought up mental health. Yeah. I think people out there,

0:52:47.520 --> 0:52:51.000
<v Speaker 1>anyone listening to this right now who maybe still feels

0:52:51.000 --> 0:52:54.319
<v Speaker 1>angry with you, is that we need to think about

0:52:54.360 --> 0:52:58.959
<v Speaker 1>people's mental health and this because I cannot imagine how

0:52:59.040 --> 0:53:01.879
<v Speaker 1>you are feeling and how you've been feeling and having

0:53:02.239 --> 0:53:06.759
<v Speaker 1>millions of people just judging you and saying terrible things

0:53:06.760 --> 0:53:10.600
<v Speaker 1>about you. That is so hurtful. And we really need

0:53:10.640 --> 0:53:12.560
<v Speaker 1>to think about mental health and what that can do

0:53:12.640 --> 0:53:15.879
<v Speaker 1>to a person, because I know you're a strong guy,

0:53:16.480 --> 0:53:19.680
<v Speaker 1>but that can break anybody. Yeah, and I like to

0:53:19.719 --> 0:53:25.360
<v Speaker 1>think that I am very you know, mentally strong like

0:53:25.800 --> 0:53:31.040
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of situations and this has been extremely heavy,

0:53:31.200 --> 0:53:33.080
<v Speaker 1>and you know, I want to talk for a second

0:53:33.120 --> 0:53:37.400
<v Speaker 1>about like other people going through this. You know, Um,

0:53:37.840 --> 0:53:40.799
<v Speaker 1>I know that the black guy, he's fucked up and

0:53:40.840 --> 0:53:45.040
<v Speaker 1>done some shit, and you know, I just think people

0:53:45.080 --> 0:53:47.319
<v Speaker 1>need to, like, even though they don't agree with it

0:53:47.400 --> 0:53:49.120
<v Speaker 1>or think it's terrible, just have a little grace because

0:53:49.160 --> 0:53:51.640
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day, like we're humans. I mean,

0:53:51.680 --> 0:53:55.400
<v Speaker 1>same for Luke. I don't agree with him, not the

0:53:55.800 --> 0:53:59.480
<v Speaker 1>slightest bit do I agree with him? But we're we're humans,

0:53:59.760 --> 0:54:03.719
<v Speaker 1>We're we have this this thing where it's easy to

0:54:03.760 --> 0:54:06.040
<v Speaker 1>get caught up in what people are saying. And sure

0:54:06.120 --> 0:54:07.560
<v Speaker 1>you can say that you're not going to look at

0:54:07.600 --> 0:54:11.799
<v Speaker 1>it or that you ignore it, but that only goes

0:54:11.840 --> 0:54:14.799
<v Speaker 1>for so long, and people need to realize how much

0:54:14.840 --> 0:54:17.960
<v Speaker 1>words actually can't affect someone's mental health and respect that

0:54:18.680 --> 0:54:21.400
<v Speaker 1>do you feel for Luke in this situation now that

0:54:21.440 --> 0:54:24.040
<v Speaker 1>I've gone through the hate that I've gone through, you know,

0:54:24.280 --> 0:54:27.880
<v Speaker 1>like even before I did, like I it was just

0:54:27.960 --> 0:54:31.520
<v Speaker 1>constant names, constant shots, and you know, I've even taken

0:54:31.560 --> 0:54:34.600
<v Speaker 1>some shots at him obviously, Like I didn't agree with

0:54:34.600 --> 0:54:36.759
<v Speaker 1>the guy at all. But now that I have this perspective,

0:54:37.560 --> 0:54:39.480
<v Speaker 1>I think people just need to have a little grace

0:54:39.840 --> 0:54:43.440
<v Speaker 1>for everyone. Yeah, Like you cannot like somebody that's totally okay,

0:54:43.600 --> 0:54:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Like and you can say I don't understand why this

0:54:45.200 --> 0:54:48.600
<v Speaker 1>person is here, but saying like they should jump off

0:54:48.600 --> 0:54:51.760
<v Speaker 1>a bridge on social media is not okay. It's not okay. Yeah, yeah,

0:54:51.800 --> 0:54:54.560
<v Speaker 1>that's a bit too far. So like that, you know

0:54:54.600 --> 0:55:02.000
<v Speaker 1>that being said, Hannah has been you know, being drilled

0:55:02.120 --> 0:55:06.359
<v Speaker 1>the entire time the entire season, like, yeah, yeah, Luke

0:55:06.400 --> 0:55:08.279
<v Speaker 1>got it bad, I got it bad later, But she's

0:55:08.280 --> 0:55:12.799
<v Speaker 1>had this judgment the entire time. Yeah, And I don't

0:55:12.800 --> 0:55:14.680
<v Speaker 1>think there's anyone in this world that could have handled

0:55:14.719 --> 0:55:17.160
<v Speaker 1>it the way she did. She was strong, she held

0:55:17.160 --> 0:55:19.839
<v Speaker 1>true to herself, and you can't ask for more than

0:55:19.880 --> 0:55:21.960
<v Speaker 1>that from someone. And I will say I have not

0:55:22.040 --> 0:55:23.680
<v Speaker 1>agreed with a lot of the things Hannah has done

0:55:23.680 --> 0:55:26.400
<v Speaker 1>throughout the season. I write a blog and on it,

0:55:26.480 --> 0:55:28.879
<v Speaker 1>I have been extremely critical of some of the things

0:55:28.880 --> 0:55:31.040
<v Speaker 1>that she has done throughout the season, but always in

0:55:31.040 --> 0:55:33.319
<v Speaker 1>a respectful way, always in a way of I am

0:55:33.320 --> 0:55:35.319
<v Speaker 1>behind her. I don't agree with the way she did this,

0:55:35.360 --> 0:55:37.319
<v Speaker 1>but I know she's growing from this. And I think

0:55:37.320 --> 0:55:39.040
<v Speaker 1>that's the difference. You don't have to like everybody. You

0:55:39.080 --> 0:55:40.560
<v Speaker 1>don't have to agree with it. I do like Hannah,

0:55:40.560 --> 0:55:42.359
<v Speaker 1>but you don't have to agree with what everybody's doing.

0:55:42.840 --> 0:55:46.239
<v Speaker 1>But you just have to be realized they're real human beings.

0:55:46.239 --> 0:55:48.040
<v Speaker 1>Like Rachel and I have been there. I mean, obviously

0:55:48.080 --> 0:55:52.280
<v Speaker 1>not to the extent that you have experienced it, But honestly,

0:55:52.360 --> 0:55:54.640
<v Speaker 1>I was a little hesitant to do this podcast. And

0:55:54.719 --> 0:55:57.160
<v Speaker 1>the reason I was is because I was a Bachelor

0:55:57.160 --> 0:56:00.200
<v Speaker 1>I almost ten years ago, but I remember sitting at

0:56:00.200 --> 0:56:03.400
<v Speaker 1>my computer and seeing the terrible things people were saying

0:56:03.400 --> 0:56:07.000
<v Speaker 1>about me and crying my eyes out because yes, I'm strong.

0:56:07.000 --> 0:56:08.960
<v Speaker 1>I've been strong my whole life, but oh my gosh,

0:56:09.000 --> 0:56:12.160
<v Speaker 1>you can one person can only take so much. And

0:56:12.560 --> 0:56:14.439
<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to do this podcast at first because

0:56:14.440 --> 0:56:16.719
<v Speaker 1>I thought, oh my gosh, I'm putting myself back out

0:56:16.760 --> 0:56:20.480
<v Speaker 1>there to be judged again by Bachelor Nation, which bachel

0:56:20.560 --> 0:56:23.920
<v Speaker 1>Nation is incredible, but there's a handful of weaves among

0:56:23.920 --> 0:56:27.759
<v Speaker 1>the flowers that really a lot of weeds to dig.

0:56:27.840 --> 0:56:30.680
<v Speaker 1>What you say, Rachel, a lot of weeds? Is that

0:56:30.800 --> 0:56:33.000
<v Speaker 1>you said, Yeah, there's a lot of wes. Yeah, So

0:56:33.520 --> 0:56:36.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Rachel, how do you like? How what do

0:56:36.080 --> 0:56:40.000
<v Speaker 1>you think about? So? I am a very strong person,

0:56:40.120 --> 0:56:43.640
<v Speaker 1>but at the same time, I absolutely have my moments

0:56:43.719 --> 0:56:46.520
<v Speaker 1>where sometimes this becomes too much and it gets to me.

0:56:46.560 --> 0:56:48.440
<v Speaker 1>And I think it's important to talk about because a

0:56:48.440 --> 0:56:51.200
<v Speaker 1>lot of times people do just see me as strong.

0:56:51.719 --> 0:56:55.759
<v Speaker 1>But this being in this world has affected me at

0:56:55.760 --> 0:56:58.520
<v Speaker 1>the same time. And you know, like Ali said, we've

0:56:58.560 --> 0:57:02.439
<v Speaker 1>both as leads have definitely been subject to a lot

0:57:02.480 --> 0:57:07.480
<v Speaker 1>of criticism and for me being the first black bachelorette.

0:57:08.000 --> 0:57:10.920
<v Speaker 1>I was being criticized for things that I can't change.

0:57:11.040 --> 0:57:13.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm black. I can't change that. You know.

0:57:14.239 --> 0:57:16.920
<v Speaker 1>I was born that way, and a lot of the

0:57:16.960 --> 0:57:20.240
<v Speaker 1>criticism that came to me it was because of the

0:57:20.280 --> 0:57:23.120
<v Speaker 1>way that I looked or stereotypes for because of the

0:57:23.120 --> 0:57:25.560
<v Speaker 1>way I looked at people place on black people. So

0:57:25.640 --> 0:57:28.600
<v Speaker 1>it was I knew I would get it, but as

0:57:28.640 --> 0:57:32.200
<v Speaker 1>much as you prepare yourself for it, you never are

0:57:32.240 --> 0:57:34.240
<v Speaker 1>ready for it. And at the same time, it's like,

0:57:34.480 --> 0:57:37.320
<v Speaker 1>when people are praising you one second, you're also going

0:57:37.360 --> 0:57:40.120
<v Speaker 1>to have the flip in of people criticizing you, and

0:57:40.160 --> 0:57:43.080
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's a hard balance to have and the

0:57:43.120 --> 0:57:45.760
<v Speaker 1>strongest person is affected by it. So I think it's

0:57:45.800 --> 0:57:48.840
<v Speaker 1>really important you know that we're having this conversation now

0:57:48.880 --> 0:57:51.720
<v Speaker 1>and we're sharing our experiences at how tough it is.

0:57:51.760 --> 0:57:54.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm tough on people too. I'm tough, Jed. I think

0:57:54.120 --> 0:57:57.680
<v Speaker 1>you handled this this interview quite well. I was nervous,

0:57:57.680 --> 0:58:06.560
<v Speaker 1>for I'm very direct, and I get that sometimes I

0:58:06.720 --> 0:58:10.440
<v Speaker 1>fall victim of, you know, going after people without understanding

0:58:10.480 --> 0:58:13.040
<v Speaker 1>it or realizing, Hey, Rachel, you know what it's like

0:58:13.080 --> 0:58:15.720
<v Speaker 1>to be in that person's shoes and have people criticizing

0:58:15.720 --> 0:58:17.440
<v Speaker 1>you for things they don't know or they don't know

0:58:17.480 --> 0:58:21.560
<v Speaker 1>the whole story. So I think that it's important for Hello,

0:58:21.720 --> 0:58:26.600
<v Speaker 1>Bachelor Nation, I'm talking to you, to realize that these

0:58:26.640 --> 0:58:29.600
<v Speaker 1>people are We're human, and we mess up and we

0:58:29.720 --> 0:58:32.760
<v Speaker 1>make mistakes, and we're making them on the biggest stage.

0:58:32.880 --> 0:58:38.000
<v Speaker 1>So at times, give us a break. Absolutely, Yeah, I

0:58:38.000 --> 0:58:40.920
<v Speaker 1>mean I do see sometimes I will say, I mean,

0:58:40.920 --> 0:58:43.920
<v Speaker 1>I haven't read any of Nick's tweets, but people do

0:58:44.080 --> 0:58:47.040
<v Speaker 1>kind of jump on the bandwagon of like whatever Bachelor

0:58:47.120 --> 0:58:49.919
<v Speaker 1>Nation's feeling and to you know, just kind of follow

0:58:49.960 --> 0:58:52.240
<v Speaker 1>along with that. I don't do that. Like if I'm

0:58:52.280 --> 0:58:54.240
<v Speaker 1>going to tweet or put something on Instagram, I feel

0:58:54.240 --> 0:58:57.840
<v Speaker 1>like i'll do it as again, I don't agree with this,

0:58:57.960 --> 0:59:01.400
<v Speaker 1>but I massage it a little bit. I realize that

0:59:01.440 --> 0:59:05.040
<v Speaker 1>the person I'm talking about is me just like me,

0:59:05.160 --> 0:59:08.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, like because I've been there, So it's it's

0:59:08.040 --> 0:59:11.040
<v Speaker 1>hard for me sometimes when past contestants are so ruthless

0:59:11.120 --> 0:59:13.800
<v Speaker 1>because they've been there totally and they know how much

0:59:13.800 --> 0:59:15.919
<v Speaker 1>it hurts totally. And like I've taken shots at Luke

0:59:15.960 --> 0:59:19.240
<v Speaker 1>on Twitter and it's like it's just like an easy

0:59:19.280 --> 0:59:21.840
<v Speaker 1>thing to do, but it's not right. Yeah, no, it's

0:59:21.880 --> 0:59:26.360
<v Speaker 1>not always right. I definitely say some very blunt things,

0:59:26.760 --> 0:59:34.439
<v Speaker 1>but I think as long as you're funny, it softens enough. Yeah. See,

0:59:34.480 --> 0:59:36.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm like again, I always go back to I'm a

0:59:36.440 --> 0:59:39.040
<v Speaker 1>mom of this podcast, Like, I'm just like, oh, I

0:59:39.040 --> 0:59:41.280
<v Speaker 1>always think if that person's my son or my daughter.

0:59:41.600 --> 0:59:44.280
<v Speaker 1>You know, but none of us are perfect. I'm sure

0:59:44.320 --> 0:59:47.160
<v Speaker 1>at some point, for sure, definitely past seasons, I've said

0:59:47.200 --> 0:59:49.160
<v Speaker 1>some things that are were mean, you know, if I

0:59:49.200 --> 0:59:51.200
<v Speaker 1>had an opinion, and I think you just learned, like

0:59:51.240 --> 0:59:54.000
<v Speaker 1>you said, I mean, the whole point of this, I mean,

0:59:54.280 --> 0:59:57.080
<v Speaker 1>I think your story jet is that nobody is perfect

0:59:57.120 --> 1:00:00.840
<v Speaker 1>and we all mess up, all of us. Just you know,

1:00:00.880 --> 1:00:02.520
<v Speaker 1>we have millions of people to let us know when

1:00:02.520 --> 1:00:05.160
<v Speaker 1>we did it. Absolutely, and your mistake should not define

1:00:05.200 --> 1:00:09.120
<v Speaker 1>you exactly. Everyone can change, everyone can grow, and you

1:00:09.200 --> 1:00:11.240
<v Speaker 1>got to just focus on that. Well. I hope people

1:00:11.280 --> 1:00:13.920
<v Speaker 1>listening to this know that your mistakes do not define you.

1:00:13.960 --> 1:00:15.600
<v Speaker 1>And I can say that sitting with you right now,

1:00:16.720 --> 1:00:19.880
<v Speaker 1>I can tell and feel the good energy from you,

1:00:19.920 --> 1:00:22.240
<v Speaker 1>and I see what Hannah saw on you. You messed up,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're human and you've admitted it. That's what else

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<v Speaker 1>can you do? You live and you learn, and I

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<v Speaker 1>can say confidently I think that whoever you do end

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<v Speaker 1>up with is going to be a very lucky girl,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think you're going to be pretty dang and

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<v Speaker 1>honest with that person. You're gonna be like, yeah, everything

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<v Speaker 1>here it is. Yeah. I just like I looked at

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<v Speaker 1>another girl and I saw her cleavage. I had to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you because I don't want you to think I'm lying,

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<v Speaker 1>like you're going to be really honest, Jed. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much for being here. Honestly, it's not easy to

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<v Speaker 1>do what you're doing right now, and we really appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>you telling your story here. First, absolutely, thank you all

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<v Speaker 1>for having me. You know, it's it's been heavy on

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<v Speaker 1>my heart to be able to kind of open up

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<v Speaker 1>about everything, and I appreciate you all giving me the

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to do that here. Absolutely, Thank you, Jed. We

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<v Speaker 1>definitely wish you the very best in the future, and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see you at the doc. I love meditation too,

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<v Speaker 1>so I love that you do that. And I will

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<v Speaker 1>say to all of you guys listening, thank you so

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<v Speaker 1>much for tuning in to this a very special edition

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<v Speaker 1>of a Bachelor Happy Hour And actually, we're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>back with our regular podcast next week and we have

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<v Speaker 1>Demi and Kalin from Bachelor in Paradise on the show. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk to Demi about her groundbit breaking

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<v Speaker 1>Paradise journey, which is very cool, and how her family

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<v Speaker 1>reacted to her telling the world that she had been

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<v Speaker 1>dating a woman prior to coming to Paradise. And also,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys, Klein will be here and from the looks

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<v Speaker 1>of it, she got all caught up in the Blake

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<v Speaker 1>drama that is all the talk in Paradise, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about that with her. Yes, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna have grace for Blake, but we're also going

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<v Speaker 1>to call him a jerk and you'll find out why.

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<v Speaker 1>So in the time. In the meantime, guys, you can

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<v Speaker 1>get all the latest Bachelor Nation news on Bachelor Nation

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<v Speaker 1>dot com right now and follow us on social media.

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<v Speaker 1>Because actually, Jed, before we came into this interview, I

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<v Speaker 1>like pulled my followers and asked them what questions we

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<v Speaker 1>should ask you. So some of those questions came from

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<v Speaker 1>my followers, and I'm glad you brought that up Ali,

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<v Speaker 1>because we want to hear from you guys, and we

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<v Speaker 1>want you guys to tell us what we like and

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<v Speaker 1>what you don't like about the show. So tell us

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<v Speaker 1>more of that we want to hear. And you can

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<v Speaker 1>click podcasts. Yes, definitely do that. Send us all the

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<v Speaker 1>emails we want. We want all of them. So thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for listening. This was really really great. Jed,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you again, and don't forget to subscribe to our podcast,

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