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Speaker 1: Hey guys. I'm Rachel and I'm Ali and welcome you

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Speaker 1: guys to a very special edition of Bachelor Happy Hour.

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Speaker 1: Very special edition. It is Ali because normally when we

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Speaker 1: bring you a new podcast, we bring it to you

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Speaker 1: what we promised you when we have breaking news, we

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Speaker 1: to you right now. In this extra special edition. Rachel

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Speaker 1: is in New York, so she's calling in. Hey Rachel. Yeah, Ali,

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Speaker 1: I could not miss this. I know, I know, we

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Speaker 1: really knew that you all have so many questions about

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Speaker 1: Jed and the Hannah situation, and we wanted to get

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Speaker 1: answers for you guys, so we decided instead of waiting

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Speaker 1: have this special I guess we'd like to say emergency

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Speaker 1: edition of Bachelor Happy Hour, so you guys can get

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Speaker 1: your questions answered. Jed flew in last night to Los Angeles,

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Speaker 1: and he is coming. He's sitting down with this. He's

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Speaker 1: the third person. Jed welcome to to our podcast. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for being here. Thank you all so

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Speaker 1: much for having me. Okay, Jed, we know you're tired,

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Speaker 1: we know you're exhausted. We don't want to take up

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Speaker 1: a whole lot of your time, but we definitely just

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Speaker 1: want to get right to it, right Ali, Yes, all right, Okay, people,

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Speaker 1: just to start it off, what do you want people

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Speaker 1: to know right now? I think the main thing really

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Speaker 1: is just how how sorry I am. You know, I've

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Speaker 1: I'm very remorseful and ultimately just want to become a

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Speaker 1: I saw your interview on GMA, we watched it. We

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Speaker 1: like that that's what we've gotten from you. You You seem

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Speaker 1: and how it went down, and we understand that absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I feel like there's more to it. We've heard you apologize,

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Speaker 1: because I don't think anybody's heard it to this point,

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Speaker 1: and Jed too. I want to say, like I want

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Speaker 1: for you. Oh my goodness, like you have been through

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Speaker 1: Like I what you did obviously is wrong. You know that, right.

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Speaker 1: You've apologize for it very sincerely, I believe, and I

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Speaker 1: my husband, Hey, can you just hang tight because I'm

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Speaker 1: to know the honest truth as to why I showed up,

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Speaker 1: and you know, going forward, you know, people asked me now, like,

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Speaker 1: you know you were so honest about that, why weren't

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Speaker 1: anything could happen. We had talked about all the variables

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Speaker 1: I really did care for Haley. You know, we had

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Speaker 1: So I'll just preface this by saying I don't agree

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Speaker 1: completely different situation. And I get that. I know the

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Speaker 1: Like I could see that entirely. But it's like I

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Speaker 1: I think that's fair Jet, Like I will say, and

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Speaker 1: When you came out with that information to Hannah, I

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Speaker 1: And if it seemed like I was dancing around anything,

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435
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Speaker 1: I think the hard part is with that is, Hey,

436
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 1: this is the thing. You're twenty five, you're twenty five.

437
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: You're a musician. You know, in Nashville, when I was

438
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 1: twenty five, I mean I was twenty five, I was

439
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: the bachel right but right before that, you know, I'm

440
00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:00,120
Speaker 1: going out, I'm partying, I'm dating guys. I'm dating multiple guys,

441
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: like you know. I think Rachel's actually talked about this.

442
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: Why we think that maybe you know, it's the age

443
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: on the show should be a higher age because at

444
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: that age you're still kind of having fun, right, so

445
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: I get all of that completely. I think what the

446
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 1: hard part is to understand is the saying like I'll

447
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 1: wait for you, meet you at the dock, or I

448
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: remember what you said, and then thinking that that was

449
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: and then going and telling Hannah, you know you thought

450
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: that it was over right, Like, I don't understand. I

451
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,479
Speaker 1: can't connect those two things, do you know what I mean?

452
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people listening or and

453
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 1: I think that same thing. So I want to give

454
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: you the opportunity to sort of explain that, right. I

455
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: would really like to touch on the dock. And a

456
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: lot of people will probably not believe this, but if

457
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: you went to Haley and even asked her, she would

458
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: tell you the truth on this, I would hope. But

459
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 1: the doc is a metaphorical thing for meditation that I

460
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: taught her. That's what it was. It was not a

461
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: physical doc, and to the public eye, it's going to

462
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: look like an actual doc. And when I read that

463
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: note back, I was like, damn it, that looks like

464
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying, let's meet at this dock. But I practice meditation.

465
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: I'm passionate about it. It was something that I taught

466
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: her to do to go to this dock in her

467
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 1: mind and to like sit there and be at peace,

468
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: and that's what that was. It's so funny. I wish

469
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: you came out and said that right away because that's

470
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,719
Speaker 1: so interesting, you know what I mean, Like I just

471
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Speaker 1: like when I read it back, I was like, there's

472
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Speaker 1: no way anyone would ever believe me on this, but

473
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: it's it's the truth. Like it's the truth. I would

474
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: take a lie detector test, like I would do anything

475
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: like to say or to prove that that is true.

476
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: And I know that Haley, you know, despite all this

477
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: and her anger and being hurt, I know she would

478
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: tell the truth and say that that was a metaphor. Yeah,

479
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: I actually believe you. Un I'm looking at you, staring

480
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: you directly in the eyes, and I can tell you're

481
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: telling the truth right now, So a hundred pers and

482
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: believe you. And I think that does make it different,

483
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 1: Like I think I'm glad you're getting the opportunity to

484
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: share that because I think saying you've been very clear

485
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 1: that you loved her, or at least what you thought

486
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: was love at the time, and saying I'll meet you

487
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: at the dock, and seeing that's a meditation point, like

488
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: that I can see that as almost like a goodbye.

489
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: I'm kind of doing this unknown, like I don't know

490
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: what's going to happen for us. I see that now,

491
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: But what I didn't I didn't see it when I

492
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 1: thought you were literally meeting her at a dock. I know.

493
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 1: And that's what like when I read the noteback, I

494
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: was liked, like, literally everyone is going to think this

495
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: and not believe this, but well, sorry, Jed, go ahead, No,

496
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: you're go ahead. You have to understand that. The first

497
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 1: sentence before that is you know where my heart will be?

498
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you owe Haley and apology? And

499
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 1: are you going to talk to her? I really just

500
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: need time to digest everything that has happened. Obviously it's

501
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 1: been a lot. It's been a lot for Hannah, it's

502
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: been a lot for our family, has been a lot

503
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: for me. And you know, I would like to say

504
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: my piece to her, but it would just it would

505
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: take time. I just need time. Yeah, Once you propose

506
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: to Hannah and then the next day you told Hannah

507
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: about Haley, then you went home, were you like, oh god,

508
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: what like I have to tell Haley something like why

509
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: did you decide to ghost her? I guess I'm more thinking,

510
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: did you ever think at some point I have to

511
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: confront Haley again? I felt like I had closure. It's

512
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 1: clear to me that she did not at all, obviously,

513
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 1: but due to our discussions about me stepping into this

514
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: unforeseen future and that anything could happen, I really and

515
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: honestly assumed that, you know, it was understood that whatever

516
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: happens happens, and we wanted the best for one another,

517
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: So you truly felt like I just want to be

518
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 1: clear that when you since you whatever happens happened, and

519
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: what happened was so you were in gauge to Hannah,

520
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 1: you felt like the door was closed with Haley at

521
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: that point, and you didn't know her an explanation. Like

522
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: I said, again, we had closure over the phone. I

523
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: kind of thought that that was what it was like.

524
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 1: We knew that anything could happen, and we wanted the

525
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: best for each other, and not out of disrespect, not

526
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: out of like hate or anger. We just understood that,

527
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: you know, anything could happen. And I mean, I now

528
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: see that I was, you know, well, I wasn't like

529
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: wrong for feeling how I felt, because I cared about

530
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: her and I told her that, and I was clearly

531
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: open about that to her. But I can see how

532
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: she's hurt. Like, I understand all of that, Jedna, I

533
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: believe you. And I guess the reason I just I

534
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: feel so much free in the situation is because I

535
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: could have been in your situation, because I have been

536
00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: very open that I had a boyfriend before I went

537
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: on the show. He treated me like dirt and cheated

538
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: on me like every weekend. But I couldn't get out

539
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: of the relationship, so I went on The Bachelor to

540
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: get out of that relationship to help me move on.

541
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: I think the last text I sent before I went

542
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: on the show was I love you to him. I'm

543
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: actually pretty sure it was. So I think people are

544
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: going to have a hard time understanding, and I don't

545
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: because again, I've been in your shoes kind of um.

546
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: But people are still and I feel like I'm trying

547
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: to put words in your mouth. But I feel like

548
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: I understand that, whereas people listening are going to be like,

549
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: I still don't get it. You don't say I love you,

550
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: and you know what it was said before, I'll meet

551
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: you at the dock or whatever something else. Well, where

552
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: was the text message that said, whatever happens happens. Where

553
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: was the text I think that's where people get lost.

554
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: Where's the text message that says, you know, I'm open

555
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: to whatever. We have an understanding. That's what's lacking, right,

556
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: And I think that's what's hard for people to under stand.

557
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I doubt you, Jed. I'm just

558
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: saying that, you know, when it comes to the hard

559
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: facts and the evidence, we only see Lawyer Rachel that Haley.

560
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I decide that Haley's bringing right. But I

561
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: will say that I truly do believe that you fell

562
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: in love with Hannah on the show, and I think

563
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: Ali and I both agree with that. I believe you

564
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: fell in love with her. I believe that you got

565
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: scared when you know by the love that you were feeling,

566
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: and then by knowing what you had left at home,

567
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: and you just kind of it seems like you just

568
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: panicked and thought, I don't know, maybe it'll all just disappear. Right.

569
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: I'll say this, Um, I don't think you have to

570
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: be in a labeled relationship to love someone. I really don't.

571
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: And that was the case. And I'm also confused as

572
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: to why everyone thinks that has to be a text

573
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: for it to have been a conversation. We had conversation,

574
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: face to face, conversation about what could happen, and just

575
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: because it's not out there in a text message doesn't

576
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: mean that that wasn't the case. So have you thought

577
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: about reaching out to Haley and being like, hey, like,

578
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: can you come forward with the truth because what you're

579
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: saying isn't necessarily not you know, can you say these conversations?

580
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: Can you let people know that we had these conversations?

581
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: If you thought about just asking her that, because you're

582
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: obviously being very nice about her. You say she's a

583
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: great girl, You're not going to say anything bad. So

584
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,479
Speaker 1: I'm guessing she's pretty pissed at you. But have you

585
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: considered just being like, hey, do you mind sharing that

586
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: other side of the story. I get that you were

587
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: hurt when you saw I went on the show and

588
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: actually did. Because she's probably hurt that you did fall

589
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: in love. I'm sure she didn't think you would and

590
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: she thought you were coming home to her. That seems

591
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: like that's the scenario here, So have you thought about

592
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: reaching out to her about that? I think that was

593
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: in her mind the best case scenario, and I honestly

594
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: have not. I didn't consider reaching out because my relationship

595
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: with Hannah was my number one priority. Yeah, I have

596
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: a question for you, Jed. I'm I personally am not

597
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: as sympathetic to Haley, just to be honest, because if

598
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: you guys had this understanding, she knew exactly what you

599
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: were going on the show to do as well, and

600
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: so at the same time, she's kind of at fault

601
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: as well to a point, right, Like, I get that

602
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: there weren't truths that were told. I understand all of that,

603
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: but she agreed for you to go on this show

604
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: and to do what you were doing. Okay, So I'm

605
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: not a hundred percent sympathetic towards some people think she

606
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: didn't agree, Like some people think that her heart was

607
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: broken and he was going She was very supportive about it, exactly. Yeah,

608
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: that says something about her. She knew he was going

609
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: on this show, she knew that he was going to

610
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: use the show initially as a platform for his music,

611
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: and she was okay with it. Why is nobody saying

612
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: that that's a character fall. I'm sorry it is. So

613
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: here's my question to you, Jed. Do you think that

614
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: Haley came out because she was Do you think that

615
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: Haley came out to speak to the press because she

616
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: was hurt or do you think she came out to

617
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: use it as a platform for her own music. I

618
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: know that she's hurt, but I know also that there's

619
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: a good chance that she was seizing the opportunity as well.

620
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: Of course she was jed. I mean, and you can't

621
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: really falter for it because you did it too. And yeah,

622
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: and another thing I don't understand is like she waited

623
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: till I had like a two hundred and fifty thousand

624
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: followers to come out and say this, so like, I

625
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: think it was intended to obviously hurt me. And what

626
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: I don't understand is if you know, if you really

627
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: do love someone, no matter how promising they've made it seem,

628
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: if they're going on a dating show, regardless of why

629
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: they're going on a dating show, why would you stay

630
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: with them? And like why if for me, if I

631
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: was in a relationship, I would not have gone onto

632
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: a dating show. That's just me. I'm not a I'm

633
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: not a cheater. And you know, and with my time

634
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: with Haley, I did hang out with other people. I

635
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: did I did date other people. I sup with other people,

636
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: like I. We were not in an exclusive relationship. Does

637
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: she know that? Did she know you were sleeping with

638
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: other people? No, because there was no We'd never had conversation,

639
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: you know, saying this was this. You know, we we

640
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: had never committed to being in an exclusive relationship. She's

641
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: rightfully hurt, and I see that. I understand that. But

642
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: the facts are the facts. Whether she wants to come

643
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: forward with it or not, there was conversation and clarity

644
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: on my on my path. Yeah. What about these reports

645
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: that once you got back from filming you were hooking

646
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: up and flirting with other women while you were still

647
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: engaged to Hannah? Is any of that true? Absolutely? Not

648
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: one hundred or something? Now? It is it maybe the

649
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: case that y'all had already broken up, because according to Hannah,

650
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: you guys broke up June eighteenth, so or ended the engagement.

651
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,280
Speaker 1: I should say, you guys ended the engagement June eighteenth.

652
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: Is there any truth that after that maybe you decided, Okay,

653
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: well we're done. Maybe I'll just you know, see what

654
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: else is out there. My heart was broken, now, okay, Yeah,

655
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: I can see the look on your face and that's actual.

656
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: I want to ask you this question too, before we

657
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,479
Speaker 1: get into things that happened after Afar, and I'm thinking

658
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 1: of burning questions, and I'm thinking of things that people

659
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: have wondered about you, and now you have your chance

660
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: to talk about it. And like Ali and I said

661
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: at the beginning, we want to give you that space

662
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: to do that. Once you told Hannah that you initially

663
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: came on the show for your music, why at that

664
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 1: point did you continue to play your music and showcase

665
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: it throughout the show. I am so glad that you

666
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: asked this question. Good. So, when I brought my guitar

667
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: to the show, I actually had no idea that I

668
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: was going to be able to play as much as

669
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: I did. I brought it to have something to do

670
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: in my downtime. Obviously it's my passion. I love it.

671
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: I knew that I would be writing in my downtime,

672
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: and there is you know, there's times that I would

673
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: be like writing a song for Hannah, and you know,

674
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: someone from production would hear it. I would play it

675
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: for them. They're like, you should play that for her,

676
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: And then I was lucky enough to get to do

677
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: that on multiple occasions. I never would have dreamed that

678
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: I got to do it as much as I did.

679
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: And I can see where people are like, you're showcasing,

680
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: You're showcasing, you're showcasing, when really it was me being

681
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: given the opportunity, given the opportunity to do to play.

682
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: But I mean, I guess, can't you understand how you

683
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: know what I just told this girl that I came

684
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: on this show to use my music, to use this

685
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,439
Speaker 1: platform to showcase my music, and now here you are

686
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: showcasing your music every opportunity that you can get, at

687
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: least what we saw in watching it. I mean all

688
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: the way from the very beginning of stepping out of

689
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: the limo to the proposal at the end. So you

690
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: can understand, how did it never crossed your mind? You

691
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: know what? Maybe I have told just put the guitar

692
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: down and talk to her. Prior to me telling Hannah

693
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: to about how I came from music, she told me

694
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: that when I showed when I showed up, she was

695
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: skeptical about the fact that, you know, I played guitar

696
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: for her night one, and that she kind of felt like, oh,

697
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: this is just another guy here from music. But up

698
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: to this point, I can tell that you're here for me,

699
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: and that was edited out, and that was before I

700
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: even told her anything, and I was like, wow, it's

701
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: crazy that you just said that, because then I told

702
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 1: her my piece why I showed up, so she could

703
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: tell that my emotion had completely flipped and that I

704
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 1: was there for her at this point and on that date,

705
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: I was unaware of it. But they brought my guitar

706
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: and they put it in another room and Hannah, after

707
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: we had talked and she gave me the rose, led

708
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: me into this room where my guitar was, and she

709
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 1: wanted me to play her a song. And I happened

710
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: to have wrote a song the night before, so she

711
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: she liked when I played and wanted me to play.

712
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: And even after the show, when we were engaged, she

713
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: was very encouraging and wanted me to bring my guitar

714
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: and wanted me to play for her. And you know

715
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: that meant a lot to me because something I love

716
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: it was your love language. Yeah, absolutely, it is your

717
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: love language. What love language is that? Well, it's how

718
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: he expresses himself. I mean, you're a writer, because honestly,

719
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: I think you express yourself. I think watching back sometimes

720
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 1: I'd be like Chad, I just want to see more

721
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: emotion out of you. And you're a very like kind

722
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: of chill guy. And I mean, I don't want to

723
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: put words in your mouth, but the way I saw it,

724
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: it was like that's how you express yourself, right, I mean, yeah,

725
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: It's been like that since I was a little I've

726
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: been I started on piano when I was just like

727
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: five years old. That's just always been It's very outlet.

728
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: It's interesting that you bring up that Hannah like asked

729
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: you to play for her, like she like enjoyed that,

730
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: So I'm sure that encourage you to do it more

731
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: knowing that it's something that she really liked that you did. Absolutely. Yeah,

732
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: And there was times that like I didn't want to

733
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: play because I was like, I don't want her to

734
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: feel like this. I don't want her to feel like this,

735
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: And her and I had conversations. She never felt that way.

736
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: She never felt like I was showcasing. I can see

737
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: where the world would would say that, because it's like

738
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: almost every episode I came walking up with that guitar,

739
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: and I saw so many memes like here comes a

740
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: jet with that I actually got out of guitar mini

741
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: guitar to the podcast with me, But no, I mean,

742
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: look out there, I know a lot of people are

743
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: just gonna I feel for you, like in a lot

744
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: of the situation, I definitely think you mess like dub

745
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: And I've said this already at the beginning. I'm you

746
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: messed up with not being super honest about Haley. And

747
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 1: I know you kind of think you were, but you weren't,

748
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: you know, And I understand that that came from fear um,

749
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: But I don't blame you for the guitar so for

750
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: any of that other stuff. I like I said, But

751
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: one thing I do want to discuss is are you

752
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: mad at Hannah? Like do you have anger towards her?

753
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: At this point? You know, I'm not angry at all.

754
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: I think more than anything, I'm just really sad. I

755
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 1: just feel, you know that, And just like I know

756
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: she's sad and hurt too, and I know that she

757
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: now has her closure and we'll move on and that's

758
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: that's that's great. But the reason I ask, and this

759
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: is why I ask, because people are gonna be like,

760
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 1: what do you mean why would he be mad at Hannah?

761
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: And the reason I asked that is because you did,

762
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: like some comments on Instagram of people saying she slept

763
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: with you know, a bunch of guys. Two guys. Um,

764
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: why did you do that? I tapped the comment to

765
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: go see if he was replying to someone, and I

766
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: liked it. You tap the comment to see if who

767
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: was replying. The comment rolled into my notifications. I tapped it.

768
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: Wherever I tapped it, it liked it. Period. Did you

769
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: not really? Is that? I had no idea until someone

770
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: sent me an article to be like. They were like,

771
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: what why did you do that? And I was like,

772
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: oh shit, Like I didn't mean to do that. I

773
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: don't want to feel that way. I mean, don't get

774
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: me wrong, it's like not easy to hear the things

775
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: that I've heard watching back on the season. You know,

776
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: it's like a really weird thing to see someone that

777
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: you love so much be so open about other people.

778
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: It's are you referring to the windmill? Absolutely? Yeah, It's

779
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: like it's it's hard to hear. I know that's the

780
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: name of the game, that's the show, but it's not

781
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: easy to hear when it's someone. So that was a mistake,

782
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: but I'll own it. I did like it. Um, how

783
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: many comments did you like, like that was that the

784
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 1: only one I don't know? I don't know. I mean,

785
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: that's the only one I'm aware of. That's the only

786
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: article I've seen. Yeah, I mean, I get that that

787
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: could be a mistake. I mean, but I also get

788
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: and the reason I thought maybe he did like it

789
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: is I understand how hurtful that would be. You know,

790
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: I being the past specialor I can say that if

791
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: my who cares about my story, But if my Top

792
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: three guy hadn't left me, I would have slept with

793
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: more than one person in the fantasy suite. I would have.

794
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,959
Speaker 1: I didn't because my guy left me, but I would

795
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: have because I know how important physical intimacy is on

796
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: the show, and if you're about to get engage with someone,

797
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: you probably want to know like do you have a

798
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: physical connection? Yeah? Yeah, But I also putting myself in

799
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: the other people's shoes because I left Top four when

800
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: I was a contestant. That has got a sting. And

801
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: I get that you have a lot of wrongs and

802
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: you know, but it's still you're a human being and

803
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: that's got to hurt too, Like what did you did

804
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: you feel anything? When she's talking about two times in

805
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: the windmill, right, Well it was actually four times. Well yeah, yeah,

806
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: but she said two times, you guys are already broken up.

807
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: When she said four times, you'd already split up, but

808
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: you are engaged when the two times thing, or had

809
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: you already split it up at the journey? We had

810
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: been split up at that point, So how did you feel?

811
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: It was just, you know, I knew about Peter at

812
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: that point. I didn't know the details. I didn't care

813
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,439
Speaker 1: to know the details because you know, I just don't

814
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: really love to hear about that kind of thing. Yeah,

815
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: but it's just weird, you know, it's weird. I think

816
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: it would be weird for just about anyone to see

817
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: someone that you care about a lot um be open

818
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: and talk about sleeping with someone else. And you know

819
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: that's her role in this was her journey, and she's

820
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: not wrong for doing it, Like, there's nothing really wrong

821
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: with it, but it does stink, you know, you just

822
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: I'm there's not really anything you can do to prepare

823
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: yourself to watch someone you care about be open about that.

824
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: Ali asked you if you were angry at Hannah, But

825
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: I guess my question is, can you blame Hannah for

826
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: the way that she's reacted since finding out everything she

827
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: did about Haley. Absolutely not. She was very straightforward about

828
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: how she wanted honesty and openness from the very beginning,

829
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 1: from night one, she was open about that. So I

830
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: can see entirely how and why she feels the way

831
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: she feels right now or felt. I want to follow

832
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: up on something you said on GMA. You know, when

833
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: you were talking to Michael Strahan, you said to him

834
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: that you had discussed with Hannah Hailey. But did your

835
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: discussions mirror the article that came out in People magazine?

836
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: There was details in the article that, like I said before,

837
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: I wasn't even considering her side or her feelings. I

838
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: told her pretty much from my perspective what we were

839
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: and it felt like without considering how she was feeling,

840
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: And that's my fault, and I'll own up to it.

841
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: I want to give you an opportunity to clear things up,

842
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: because this is the first time you've really been able

843
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 1: to just talk freely. You know, it's not a TV segment,

844
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: it's an open conversation, and so I guess i'd also

845
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: ask you, is there something yet that we haven't addressed

846
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: that you want to clear up? Because everyone's been asking

847
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: or assuming certain things. I think at this point you

848
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: can assume that if there's a click eleton in your closet,

849
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: it's going to come out. At this point, absolutely, there's

850
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: no I mean, I feel like We've touched a lot

851
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: of the points that I've ever wanted to make that

852
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: I've kept quiet over because all I wanted to do

853
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: is mend the relationship with Hannah. I didn't come out

854
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: and defend myself immediately. I could have. I could have

855
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: came out and did any I could have defended myself

856
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: off the bat with the Hailey situation and spoke just

857
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: on behalf of that. But what was important to me

858
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: was Hannah and trying to fix that. And that's just it.

859
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: Have you guys spoken since after the final rose at all?

860
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: Or is your contact completely cut off? We haven't spoken,

861
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: and you know, I feel like down the road we

862
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: could have friendship. I mean, she's great and we have

863
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: always got along, we have a great time. I think

864
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: she's an amazing woman. She's strong, she she killed her

865
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: role at this I mean, you can't ask for someone

866
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: to be more passionate, more open, and she did everything

867
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 1: in my opinion great. She did great, and I just

868
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: I hope down the road that we can be friends.

869
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: Do you think her and Tyler are going to end

870
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: up together? How do you feel about that situation? Kind

871
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: Of like I said on Good Morning America, I just

872
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: had a weird feeling going into after the final Rose

873
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 1: that something like that could happen. Tyler's an amazing guy.

874
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: I don't fault her for saying what she did or

875
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: asking him. Or has your relationship with any of the

876
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: guys change with all this coming out? Or have they

877
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: been supportive? Because do you talk to the guys? I

878
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: could not have asked for, honestly, a better group of

879
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: people to go into this with. They've been supportive and

880
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: kind to me and you know, obviously offering their opinions

881
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: on the situation and you know, telling me things that

882
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: you know are helpful, and they've I mean they've they're

883
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: great friends. I mean, obviously there's a couple that I

884
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 1: don't talk to you as much. But yeah, well, assuming

885
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: you don't talk to Luke um, So, like, did any

886
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: of the guys like call you out and say, hey, Jed,

887
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 1: what the heck? Or were they like what did they say?

888
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: No one called me out? It was it was more

889
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: so just Nick Vile. None of the guys on my

890
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: season has said anything. Yeah, because Nick, let's let's expect

891
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: on that. I don't even know what you're talking about.

892
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: What has nick le? Let's talk about it? How do you?

893
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: And Okay, So I think it's great that you have

894
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: received support from the guys from your season. And I'll

895
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: be honest, I've talked to several guys from your season

896
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: and they all have great things to say about you.

897
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: Even when I tried to dig I tried to say,

898
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: but okay, yeah, Peter last week he had great things

899
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: to say about you. Yeah, And we're like, okay, but

900
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: maybe this No, They're like we were. We lived with Jed.

901
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 1: He's actually a really great guy. We understand what you've

902
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 1: seen in the media. We understand, you know, certain things

903
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,439
Speaker 1: that have popped up, But Jed is really a good person.

904
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: Even Hannah said, you know, she fell in love with

905
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: with the goodness, the good part of you. She knows

906
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: it's in there for you and maybe this whole situation

907
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: will prepare you for the next person. So she acknowledges

908
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: it as well. But since you brought up Nick Vile,

909
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: what what do you because that's who season I was

910
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: on what what do you think about past contestants or

911
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 1: past leads offering their opinion opinion in such a way

912
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: because you obviously feel strongly about things that he has said.

913
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: And I think you know, obviously Rachel and I have

914
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: this podcast and we are giving our opinion, so we're

915
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,720
Speaker 1: sharing our opinion as alumni too. I think the difference

916
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: is there's a way to be respectful about it. Yeah, totally,

917
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: and you guys do that perfectly in my opinion. I mean,

918
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: everyone's entitled their opinion, and with social media, people are

919
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: very quick to jump on what's the most popular thing

920
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: happening and how they can use it to benefit themselves,

921
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: get retweets, to get retweets, to get likes. And I

922
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: understand that. I've been, as a recently the talk of

923
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: the town, so I see why people are doing doing that.

924
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: But it's like, get to know me before you talk shit,

925
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: and if you come with my family, like, I don't

926
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: do that. Did he do that? I've seen him say

927
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: some some slurs and stuff on Twitter and it's just,

928
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 1: you know, it's like have some respect. So you feel

929
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: like he's doing it to try to stay relevant. Absolutely,

930
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? That's what he thrives off. Oh yeah, well,

931
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: I mean I'm with you. I I mean, not with

932
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 1: the knixing. But I think people are not just social

933
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: or not just past Bachelor contestants in general. People have

934
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: the screen up when they're on the internet and feel

935
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: like they can say whatever they want. And the reason

936
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: I'm so happy that you're here, Jet is because not

937
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: only of all the guys said great things about you,

938
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 1: Hannah has said great things about you, despite how hurt

939
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: she is. I'm you know, we're sitting here talking to you.

940
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: We can see that you're a good person. Of course

941
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 1: you're a good person. You just really fucked up, you did.

942
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: I mean, can you say that right now that I

943
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: mess up big time? I can see all my faults

944
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: and like I said, I'm going to grow from it

945
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: and it is going to make me a better person.

946
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: It just it's crazy when it's in the public eye

947
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: that you have to go through something like this and

948
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: be open to everyone's opinions and judgment. But you know, absolutely,

949
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: I can see all my faults. Yeah, Jed, I think

950
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: that you learn the hardest lesson on the biggest stage,

951
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: and it'll be something that you grow from at the

952
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: end of the day. Like we talk about Hannah strength

953
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: and everything that she went through, and she did go

954
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: through a lot. But at the same time, you have

955
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: to be really strong on your end, and she gave

956
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 1: that to you. You know, when she talked about Grace

957
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: on the stage, she said, I know that you have

958
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: a lot of critics. I have them too, but I

959
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: know people are coming down on you, and I'll even

960
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: be honest. When she was on straight hand and Sarah,

961
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: she said, I don't want to say anything about him

962
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 1: because so many people are already coming at him. So

963
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: it takes a lot of strength for you to be

964
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: able to come sit with us. Do have these tough conversations,

965
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: but we thank you for it, and we thank you

966
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 1: for being, you know, strong enough to tell your side

967
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: of the story. I do want to ask you, though,

968
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 1: what's next for you? I think a lot of people

969
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: want to know, what do you want to do now?

970
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: Paradise Just kidding, Dylan's going you know, really, I just

971
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: want to take the next bit and just focus on

972
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 1: my spiritual and mental health. That's it. I mean, the

973
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: weight of all this has been insane, and you know,

974
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,879
Speaker 1: I just want to surround myself with good people and

975
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: really just work on my soul. And I'm glad you

976
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,439
Speaker 1: brought up mental health. Yeah. I think people out there,

977
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: anyone listening to this right now who maybe still feels

978
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: angry with you, is that we need to think about

979
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,959
Speaker 1: people's mental health and this because I cannot imagine how

980
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 1: you are feeling and how you've been feeling and having

981
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: millions of people just judging you and saying terrible things

982
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: about you. That is so hurtful. And we really need

983
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: to think about mental health and what that can do

984
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 1: to a person, because I know you're a strong guy,

985
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: but that can break anybody. Yeah, and I like to

986
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: think that I am very you know, mentally strong like

987
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: and a lot of situations and this has been extremely heavy,

988
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: and you know, I want to talk for a second

989
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: about like other people going through this. You know, Um,

990
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: I know that the black guy, he's fucked up and

991
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: done some shit, and you know, I just think people

992
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: need to, like, even though they don't agree with it

993
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: or think it's terrible, just have a little grace because

994
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, like we're humans. I mean,

995
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: same for Luke. I don't agree with him, not the

996
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: slightest bit do I agree with him? But we're we're humans,

997
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: We're we have this this thing where it's easy to

998
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: get caught up in what people are saying. And sure

999
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: you can say that you're not going to look at

1000
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: it or that you ignore it, but that only goes

1001
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: for so long, and people need to realize how much

1002
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: words actually can't affect someone's mental health and respect that

1003
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: do you feel for Luke in this situation now that

1004
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: I've gone through the hate that I've gone through, you know,

1005
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 1: like even before I did, like I it was just

1006
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: constant names, constant shots, and you know, I've even taken

1007
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: some shots at him obviously, Like I didn't agree with

1008
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: the guy at all. But now that I have this perspective,

1009
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: I think people just need to have a little grace

1010
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: for everyone. Yeah, Like you cannot like somebody that's totally okay,

1011
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: Like and you can say I don't understand why this

1012
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: person is here, but saying like they should jump off

1013
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,760
Speaker 1: a bridge on social media is not okay. It's not okay. Yeah, yeah,

1014
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: that's a bit too far. So like that, you know

1015
00:54:54,600 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: that being said, Hannah has been you know, being drilled

1016
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 1: the entire time the entire season, like, yeah, yeah, Luke

1017
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: got it bad, I got it bad later, But she's

1018
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: had this judgment the entire time. Yeah, And I don't

1019
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: think there's anyone in this world that could have handled

1020
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: it the way she did. She was strong, she held

1021
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 1: true to herself, and you can't ask for more than

1022
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: that from someone. And I will say I have not

1023
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: agreed with a lot of the things Hannah has done

1024
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: throughout the season. I write a blog and on it,

1025
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 1: I have been extremely critical of some of the things

1026
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: that she has done throughout the season, but always in

1027
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 1: a respectful way, always in a way of I am

1028
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: behind her. I don't agree with the way she did this,

1029
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 1: but I know she's growing from this. And I think

1030
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: that's the difference. You don't have to like everybody. You

1031
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: don't have to agree with it. I do like Hannah,

1032
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 1: but you don't have to agree with what everybody's doing.

1033
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: But you just have to be realized they're real human beings.

1034
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: Like Rachel and I have been there. I mean, obviously

1035
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:52,280
Speaker 1: not to the extent that you have experienced it, But honestly,

1036
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: I was a little hesitant to do this podcast. And

1037
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: the reason I was is because I was a Bachelor

1038
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: I almost ten years ago, but I remember sitting at

1039
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 1: my computer and seeing the terrible things people were saying

1040
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: about me and crying my eyes out because yes, I'm strong.

1041
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 1: I've been strong my whole life, but oh my gosh,

1042
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: you can one person can only take so much. And

1043
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,439
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do this podcast at first because

1044
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: I thought, oh my gosh, I'm putting myself back out

1045
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: there to be judged again by Bachelor Nation, which bachel

1046
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: Nation is incredible, but there's a handful of weaves among

1047
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 1: the flowers that really a lot of weeds to dig.

1048
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: What you say, Rachel, a lot of weeds? Is that

1049
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: you said, Yeah, there's a lot of wes. Yeah, So

1050
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: I mean, Rachel, how do you like? How what do

1051
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: you think about? So? I am a very strong person,

1052
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: but at the same time, I absolutely have my moments

1053
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: where sometimes this becomes too much and it gets to me.

1054
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 1: And I think it's important to talk about because a

1055
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: lot of times people do just see me as strong.

1056
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: But this being in this world has affected me at

1057
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: the same time. And you know, like Ali said, we've

1058
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:02,439
Speaker 1: both as leads have definitely been subject to a lot

1059
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: of criticism and for me being the first black bachelorette.

1060
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: I was being criticized for things that I can't change.

1061
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: You know, I'm black. I can't change that. You know.

1062
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: I was born that way, and a lot of the

1063
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: criticism that came to me it was because of the

1064
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: way that I looked or stereotypes for because of the

1065
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Speaker 1: way I looked at people place on black people. So

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Speaker 1: it was I knew I would get it, but as

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Speaker 1: much as you prepare yourself for it, you never are

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Speaker 1: ready for it. And at the same time, it's like,

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Speaker 1: when people are praising you one second, you're also going

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Speaker 1: to have the flip in of people criticizing you, and

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's a hard balance to have and the

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Speaker 1: strongest person is affected by it. So I think it's

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Speaker 1: really important you know that we're having this conversation now

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Speaker 1: and we're sharing our experiences at how tough it is.

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Speaker 1: I'm tough on people too. I'm tough, Jed. I think

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Speaker 1: you handled this this interview quite well. I was nervous,

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Speaker 1: for I'm very direct, and I get that sometimes I

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Speaker 1: fall victim of, you know, going after people without understanding

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Speaker 1: it or realizing, Hey, Rachel, you know what it's like

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Speaker 1: to be in that person's shoes and have people criticizing

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Speaker 1: you for things they don't know or they don't know

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Speaker 1: the whole story. So I think that it's important for Hello,

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Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation, I'm talking to you, to realize that these

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00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: people are We're human, and we mess up and we

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00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: make mistakes, and we're making them on the biggest stage.

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Speaker 1: So at times, give us a break. Absolutely, Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean I do see sometimes I will say, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I haven't read any of Nick's tweets, but people do

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00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: kind of jump on the bandwagon of like whatever Bachelor

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00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,919
Speaker 1: Nation's feeling and to you know, just kind of follow

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00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: along with that. I don't do that. Like if I'm

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Speaker 1: going to tweet or put something on Instagram, I feel

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Speaker 1: like i'll do it as again, I don't agree with this,

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00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: but I massage it a little bit. I realize that

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Speaker 1: the person I'm talking about is me just like me,

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00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: you know, like because I've been there, So it's it's

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Speaker 1: hard for me sometimes when past contestants are so ruthless

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00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: because they've been there totally and they know how much

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Speaker 1: it hurts totally. And like I've taken shots at Luke

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Speaker 1: on Twitter and it's like it's just like an easy

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Speaker 1: thing to do, but it's not right. Yeah, no, it's

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Speaker 1: not always right. I definitely say some very blunt things,

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Speaker 1: but I think as long as you're funny, it softens enough. Yeah. See,

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Speaker 1: I'm like again, I always go back to I'm a

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Speaker 1: mom of this podcast, Like, I'm just like, oh, I

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Speaker 1: always think if that person's my son or my daughter.

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Speaker 1: You know, but none of us are perfect. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: at some point, for sure, definitely past seasons, I've said

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Speaker 1: some things that are were mean, you know, if I

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Speaker 1: had an opinion, and I think you just learned, like

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Speaker 1: you said, I mean, the whole point of this, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think your story jet is that nobody is perfect

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Speaker 1: and we all mess up, all of us. Just you know,

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Speaker 1: we have millions of people to let us know when

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Speaker 1: we did it. Absolutely, and your mistake should not define

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Speaker 1: you exactly. Everyone can change, everyone can grow, and you

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Speaker 1: got to just focus on that. Well. I hope people

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Speaker 1: listening to this know that your mistakes do not define you.

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Speaker 1: And I can say that sitting with you right now,

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Speaker 1: I can tell and feel the good energy from you,

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Speaker 1: and I see what Hannah saw on you. You messed up,

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Speaker 1: but you're human and you've admitted it. That's what else

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Speaker 1: can you do? You live and you learn, and I

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Speaker 1: can say confidently I think that whoever you do end

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Speaker 1: up with is going to be a very lucky girl,

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Speaker 1: because I think you're going to be pretty dang and

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Speaker 1: honest with that person. You're gonna be like, yeah, everything

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Speaker 1: here it is. Yeah. I just like I looked at

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Speaker 1: another girl and I saw her cleavage. I had to

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Speaker 1: tell you because I don't want you to think I'm lying,

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Speaker 1: like you're going to be really honest, Jed. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for being here. Honestly, it's not easy to

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Speaker 1: do what you're doing right now, and we really appreciate

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Speaker 1: you telling your story here. First, absolutely, thank you all

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Speaker 1: for having me. You know, it's it's been heavy on

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Speaker 1: my heart to be able to kind of open up

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Speaker 1: about everything, and I appreciate you all giving me the

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Speaker 1: opportunity to do that here. Absolutely, Thank you, Jed. We

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Speaker 1: definitely wish you the very best in the future, and

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Speaker 1: we'll see you at the doc. I love meditation too,

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Speaker 1: so I love that you do that. And I will

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Speaker 1: say to all of you guys listening, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for tuning in to this a very special edition

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Speaker 1: of a Bachelor Happy Hour And actually, we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: back with our regular podcast next week and we have

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Speaker 1: Demi and Kalin from Bachelor in Paradise on the show. Um,

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk to Demi about her groundbit breaking

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Speaker 1: Paradise journey, which is very cool, and how her family

1149
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Speaker 1: reacted to her telling the world that she had been

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Speaker 1: dating a woman prior to coming to Paradise. And also,

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Speaker 1: you guys, Klein will be here and from the looks

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Speaker 1: of it, she got all caught up in the Blake

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Speaker 1: drama that is all the talk in Paradise, and we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about that with her. Yes, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have grace for Blake, but we're also going

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Speaker 1: to call him a jerk and you'll find out why.

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Speaker 1: So in the time. In the meantime, guys, you can

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Speaker 1: get all the latest Bachelor Nation news on Bachelor Nation

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Speaker 1: dot com right now and follow us on social media.

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Speaker 1: Because actually, Jed, before we came into this interview, I

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Speaker 1: like pulled my followers and asked them what questions we

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Speaker 1: should ask you. So some of those questions came from

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Speaker 1: my followers, and I'm glad you brought that up Ali,

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Speaker 1: because we want to hear from you guys, and we

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Speaker 1: want you guys to tell us what we like and

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Speaker 1: what you don't like about the show. So tell us

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Speaker 1: more of that we want to hear. And you can

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Speaker 1: email us at happy Hour at Bachelor nation dot com

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01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: or you can visit us at Bachelornation dot com and

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01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 1: click podcasts. Yes, definitely do that. Send us all the

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Speaker 1: emails we want. We want all of them. So thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for listening. This was really really great. Jed,

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Speaker 1: thank you again, and don't forget to subscribe to our podcast,

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Speaker 1: Bachelor Happy Hour. You can subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify,

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