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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to Bleep. I'm Anna Navarro and it's

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Speaker 1: been yet another crazy news cycle since the last podcast.

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Speaker 1: We are now at war with Iran, and yes, it

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Speaker 1: is war with Iran, no matter how much Republicans in

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Speaker 1: Congress want to call it anything other than war. We

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Speaker 1: are not stupid. We have eyes, we have ears. We

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Speaker 1: realize what's going on in Iran is a war that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump has dragged us into. Am I happy the

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Speaker 1: Ayatola comania is dead? Yes, And look today we were

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Speaker 1: going to do an entire segment about Iran, but on

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Speaker 1: the way over here, something funny happened. On the way

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Speaker 1: to the podcast. Donald Trump fired Christinole. So we've got

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Speaker 1: to figure out, like the rest of the country, how

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Speaker 1: it all and break it all down. So let's start

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Speaker 1: with Iran. I am very happy the Ayatola Komane is dead.

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Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, the only good Ayatola is

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Speaker 1: a dead Ayatola. These people hate America and they are

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Speaker 1: a brutal regime that has inflicted the worst of suffering, death,

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Speaker 1: poverty on their own nation. Just in recent weeks, the

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Speaker 1: Ayatola's regime in Iran killed countless tens of thousands of

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Speaker 1: Iranians who were protesting, and we're going to bring experts

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Speaker 1: in to break this down for us and so we

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Speaker 1: can understand it more as the developments continue. For me,

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Speaker 1: what really struck me about what's happening in Iran is

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump and how he is acting and reacting since Venezuela.

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Speaker 1: I think what happened in Venezuela with Maduro, which was

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Speaker 1: only two months before he struck Iran. It was January third,

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Speaker 1: the Maduro operation, I think that has had a deep

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Speaker 1: psychological impact and effect on Donald Trump. He now thinks

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Speaker 1: he is Tarzan of the Jungle, can beat his chest

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Speaker 1: and go around the world changing regimes willy nilly. He

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Speaker 1: thinks he can replicate the model of Venezuela, where he

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Speaker 1: no American casualties, and in his mind he managed to

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Speaker 1: change the regime, though in truth it's still there. But

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Speaker 1: they are working with him and they're now his new

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Speaker 1: best friends forever. What's happening in Iran is entirely different

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Speaker 1: than what's happening in Venezuela. In Iran, first it's a

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Speaker 1: country of over ninety million people. And I say this

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Speaker 1: as somebody who's from Latin America, who's lived under dictatorships

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Speaker 1: in Latin America. Look our dictatorships there are horrible, lots

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Speaker 1: of people suffer. They are oppressive. But those countries, whether

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Speaker 1: it's Venezuela or Nicaraua or Cube, but they don't have

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Speaker 1: the ability to inflict pain on the United States. They

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Speaker 1: don't have the ability to wage war and attacks against

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Speaker 1: American targets and in the entire region. Venezuela, yeah, they

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Speaker 1: have oil, but that's about all they had. They don't

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Speaker 1: is not only has, but it's using. So I do

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Speaker 1: think that talking about what happened in Venezuela has to

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Speaker 1: But okay, now let's talk about Christinome because ding Dong

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Speaker 1: the witch is gone. So Christinome has been fired. Question

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Speaker 1: I have is what the hell took so long? Look,

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Speaker 1: she was fired last week as a direct result of

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Speaker 1: testimony she gave to the Senate and the House. In

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Speaker 1: the Senate hearings, she was pressed by a Republican Senator

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Speaker 1: from Louisiana, John Kennedy, who asked her pointed questions about

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Speaker 1: this ridiculous pr campaign, this ad campaign featuring Christinome, that

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Speaker 1: she'd paid something like two hundred and twenty million dollars

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Speaker 1: TSA agents weren't getting paid, Christinome was on a horse

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Speaker 1: with a cowboy hat, posing in front of Mount Rushmore

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Speaker 1: AD campaign featuring her likeness and herself with her fake

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Speaker 1: eyelashes and her hair extensions. Not that I'm one to talk,

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Speaker 1: John Kennedy of Louisiana, and again I emphasize a Republican

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Speaker 1: because I give him credit and kudos for doing his

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Speaker 1: job of having oversight over that department. Way too many

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Speaker 1: Republicans in Congress, because these are cabinet members of Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: Hello Pambondi, I'm talking about you. But what we saw

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Speaker 1: spending two hundred and twenty million dollars on these glamour shots.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen Christy Nome, but she

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Speaker 1: likes to like dress up in costume. Really, she would

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Speaker 1: seems to be against them. One day she's Deportation Barbie

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Speaker 1: I mean, you get the picture. It's like she's playing

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Speaker 1: dress up on a daily basis, on our dime. But frankly,

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Speaker 1: that testimony was I guess the last straw that broke

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Speaker 1: the camel's back. And what pissed Trump off was that

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Speaker 1: not true. That's the reason he ousted her from DHS.

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Speaker 1: There's been tons of scandals under Christinomes, So let's go

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Speaker 1: through some of them, because there's been plenty of reason

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Speaker 1: So let's start by the fact that her department, under

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Speaker 1: her leadership, killed US citizens, murdered US citizens, and Christinom

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Speaker 1: domestic terrorists, without any facts, without any evidence. She got

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Speaker 1: asked about that too in the congressional testimony by Amy Klobuchar,

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Speaker 1: who asked her if she would apologize to the families

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Speaker 1: of Renee Good and Alex Pretty And you know what

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Speaker 1: she did. She lied, lied like a rug. She said

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Speaker 1: she had never said that they were domestic terrorists. Again,

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Speaker 1: we know what we see, we know what we hear.

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Speaker 1: But that's not all of it. There's so much more.

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Speaker 1: In addition to the two hundred and twenty million dollars

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Speaker 1: two hundred million dollars on luxury jets. Yes, these jets

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Speaker 1: and turn them into deportation flights. As Congressman Raskin said,

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Speaker 1: that'd be a kin to buying a Rolls Royce and

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Speaker 1: We all know she was buying them for her use.

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Speaker 1: She likes to fly around them planes with Corey Lewandowski.

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Speaker 1: There's another scandal there. It's been widely reported and widely

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Speaker 1: between those two. I guess now that she's out of DHS,

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Speaker 1: I guess now we're rid of her at DHS. And

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Speaker 1: we remember the reports that Corey Lowandowski had fired a

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Speaker 1: Coastguard pilot that was flying them around because Christy Nomes

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Speaker 1: the lack of training by these federal officers under her

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Speaker 1: that's part of the reason that he got rid of

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Speaker 1: why he's getting rid of Christinoman. There's elections coming in

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Speaker 1: She just gave it to somebody she knew cronyism at

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Speaker 1: its best. And now what's going to happen to Christino Well, First,

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Speaker 1: of this senator from Oklahoma, current senator from Oklahoma. He'd

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Speaker 1: He is a former MMA fighter. He is staunchly maga.

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Speaker 1: He has no national security or military experience. He is

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Speaker 1: very experienced though in defending Donald Trump on TV. It

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Speaker 1: a special envoy to the Western Hemisphere. This Shield of

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Speaker 1: the Americas is an effort, is an initiative of Trump's.

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Speaker 1: He's got a meeting in Miami with about ten or

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Speaker 1: twelve of the leaders of some of the Allied countries,

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Speaker 1: of Argentina, the President of Ecuador, Trinidad and Tobago, Dominican Republic.

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Speaker 1: So he's meeting basically with his friends from the hemisphere,

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Speaker 1: Off goes Christino to be head of that. I guess

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Speaker 1: it's a brand new opportunity for her for photographs. She

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Speaker 1: go to carnival. Maybe she can put on one of

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Speaker 1: those carnival costumes in Rio. She's gonna look great with

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Speaker 1: a head piece dancing the samba, or you know what,

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Speaker 1: she could go surfing in Costa Rica. I mean, her

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Speaker 1: that's what she's gonna go do. Obviously, this lady knows

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Speaker 1: shit from Shinola when it comes to Latin America. She

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Speaker 1: La Dodgers. She's from North Dakota or South Dakota, one

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Speaker 1: of the Dakotas, and she she doesn't know much. I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you what I'm happy about. Finally there was justice

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Speaker 1: So if we can now move from Mexico, I want

430
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Speaker 1: to do like a tour of the Western hemisphere because

431
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: there's a lot of activity going on right now. If

432
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 1: we can talk about Venezuela. And I was actually in

433
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: Madrid when Maduu got captured January third, and I immediately

434
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: went out to La Puerta del Sol, where so many

435
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 1: Venezuelans showed up to celebrate, and there were many Americans

436
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: and many people who follow me who were surprised to

437
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: see me celebrating. And look, I may not agree with

438
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: the way it was done, but we know how bad

439
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: a guy Maduro is, and we you know, we know

440
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: the suffering of the Venezuela people. And you interviewed Maduro,

441
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 1: I remember, and you were put in jail.

442
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 2: We were detained for twenty four hours and then we

443
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: were deported. What happened a few years ago? I Madudo

444
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 2: was still in power obviously, and then he needed international

445
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 2: support and he had given a couple of interviews to

446
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 2: the BBC and to someone in Spain. So I asked

447
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: for an interview and he said, yeah, come to Palascia,

448
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: Minia Floris. So we did the interview, and then I

449
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 2: was thinking about about the first question, and the first

450
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 2: question was are you a dictator? Obviously after that things

451
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: didn't go that well. It only lasted.

452
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Speaker 1: That's the hell of an icebreaker.

453
00:28:55,040 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 2: I was following Danna Navaru method. So what happened is

454
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: that after seventeen minutes, somebody came and said, this is

455
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 2: not the interview that we had.

456
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 3: Author.

457
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 2: Rice Nicolas Madoro stood up and then they arrested us,

458
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: a team of seven. They confiscated our cameras, the video cards,

459
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 2: and we were so afraid that we were going to

460
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: be sent to Eleli Koide, which is a torture center.

461
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 3: Fortunately we were able.

462
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 2: To use a tweet to communicate with our boss, and

463
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 2: then everybody knew that we had been detained. And then incredibly,

464
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 2: the US embassy and the Mexican MBLC came to our

465
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 2: rescue and we were detained in the hotel, and then

466
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: after that we were deported the following day. Something funny,

467
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: really quick is that we obviously lost the interview, but

468
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 2: someone within the Maduro government found a copy of that

469
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: interview that they had that they had taped, and they

470
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 2: sent us that interview two or three months later, and

471
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 2: that's the one that I was able to broadcast.

472
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Speaker 1: And were you like me on January third? Having mixed

473
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: emotions because you know, part of me I don't like

474
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: the way this was done. I didn't like the bombing

475
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: of the fishing boats, but I you know, it's been

476
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: twenty five years of dictatorship in Venezuela, and I know

477
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: that the Venezuelans couldn't get rid of this guy by themselves.

478
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: God knows, they tried. They went out and voted against

479
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: him massively, and he just sat his ass there and

480
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: refused to leave. So so I was happy. I was concerned.

481
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: I'm very nervous about the future, but I don't know

482
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Speaker 1: what were you, what were you feeling that day.

483
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Speaker 2: I think it's very complicated because I think Latin America

484
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: is better without another dictator. We can talk about your

485
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 2: Nicaragua and then we can talk about Cuban later.

486
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 3: But on the on the other.

487
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 2: Hand, as a as a Mexican, as a Latin American,

488
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Speaker 2: I simply cannot support a US operation on Latin America.

489
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 3: The history is full of catastrophes.

490
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: Of American presence and American interventions and American inventions. Nicaragua

491
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,719
Speaker 2: it happened, obviously, it happened in Mexico, it happened in

492
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 2: Puerto Rico and Gatemala, the presence of US advisors in

493
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: Chile with Pinochette So I cannot support that kind of operation.

494
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 3: But I do understand the.

495
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 2: Thousands of people that I saw at La Repaso here

496
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: in Miami celebrating the end of the dictator, because that's

497
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: something that everybody wanted. I mean, everybody wants to see

498
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: Fidel Castro detained. It didn't happen. I'm sure everybody wants

499
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 2: to see Daniel Ortega detained. It hasn't happened, but it

500
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: did happen in in Venezuela, and that's what people were celebrating.

501
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 3: And I completely understand and.

502
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Speaker 1: You your your your girlfriend, your life Partnerikira is Venezuela

503
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: and how did how was she feeling?

504
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: It was I I saw my my phone in the morning,

505
00:31:53,600 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 2: dozens of messages and said, chiky chiki amdur. She's because

506
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 2: she's been telling me four years that that was going

507
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: to happen, that one day we were going to wake

508
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 2: up and then Maduro was was going to be gone.

509
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 2: Like that small tale in Spanish career sta you woke

510
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: up and the dinosaur was still there. Well, in this case,

511
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: we woke up and the dinosaur was not there, and

512
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: it was I mean, I I do understand why people

513
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: do celebrate. I mean, they've been having a really incredible deay.

514
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: But I'm very confused and concerned about the relationship of

515
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: like and I'm trying to make sense of it. So

516
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if it makes sense to you guys,

517
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,959
Speaker 1: the relationship of Trump with Maduro's vice president, who is

518
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: now the president of Venezuela and who Donald Trump. Donald

519
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: Trump does not give great compliments to many people, particularly

520
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: not Latinos, and here he is talking about how great

521
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: it is to work with this woman. He mentioned it

522
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: mentioned State of the Union, and at the same time

523
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: he is he can every time he gets a chance,

524
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: he finds a way to belittle and humiliate Corina Machaalo,

525
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: despite the fact she gave him her Nobel Peace Prize.

526
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: So again the question is what what's the endgame there?

527
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: What's the what's the future you think?

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Speaker 4: I mean, look, I think we spend so much time

529
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 4: and the I do too, and not trying trying to

530
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 4: make sense of the science behind what leader Trump likes,

531
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 4: right like why you know, why does he get along

532
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 4: with Russia? Why does he get along with Kim Jong un?

533
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 4: What does he see in in in Theroriguez? And I

534
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 4: think at the end of the day, this is someone

535
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 4: that has no morals, right and so long as he

536
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 4: can get something out of you know, so long as

537
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 4: you can benefit him, so long as there's some type

538
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 4: of transactional advantage for the United States, he likes you

539
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 4: is I think in Thisriguez right now? Suddenly someone that

540
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 4: he literally called that the state of the Union, our friends,

541
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 4: our new friends in Venezuela, which is a true slab

542
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 4: in the face for someone like Machicol in a Manzado,

543
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 4: and it's you know, I think it's it's kind of

544
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 4: the most simple answer, which is he can get something

545
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 4: from Venezuela and from this apparatus that continues to be

546
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 4: the very same sort of pulse of the Maduda regime.

547
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 4: He can get money, he can get oil, he can

548
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 4: do it in a relatively easy way. So I think unfortunately,

549
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 4: there's like no science to who he likes. I mean,

550
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 4: as we're speaking, he's literally meeting with Zora Mamdani, someone

551
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 4: that he's called the communists, someone that on paper he's

552
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 4: completely against, but he likes the guy. And he likes

553
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 4: the guy because perhaps it's just as simple as he thinks.

554
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 4: He's just like a cool, you know, other cool New

555
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 4: Yorker that maybe he can get something out of.

556
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

557
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 2: I hope something is going to happen in Venezuelana because

558
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: there to be a transition. People are talking about elections

559
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 2: in ten to eleven months maybe, But differently, this is

560
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 2: not what we expected. We didn't expect that dictatorship to

561
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 2: be to stay, to stay completely intact, ex except for Maduro,

562
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 2: and now elections are complicated. I'm thinking there's eight million

563
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 2: Venezuela's living outside of Venezuela. If all of them one

564
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: a vote, or let's say only four millions of them

565
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 2: one a vote, just imagine going through the process of

566
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 2: getting an ID passport, getting setting the system ready for

567
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: their vote. It is, it is complicated. But I certainly

568
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 2: hope that Marco Rubio is right and that there's going

569
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 2: to be a transition to democracy in Venezuela. This is

570
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: this is not democracy now, this is.

571
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: Not democracy and talking about things that are not democracy Cuba.

572
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: So what happened in Venezuela has had a very direct

573
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: impact and quick impact on the situation in Cuba. But

574
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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I don't know about you guys,

575
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 1: but I am I watch everything with with with cautious

576
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: optimism when it comes to Cuba, because I've lived in

577
00:35:54,520 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: Miami now forty six years, and there's been so many

578
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: times when we have thought that the regime was about

579
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 1: to fall. There have been so many times when Cuba

580
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: has gone through what they referred to a period special

581
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: periods of great economic distress, and yet they somehow managed

582
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: to survive. They're like the the They're like like like

583
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: a cat. They're like a cat in politics. They have

584
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: nine lives now. What they're going through right now is

585
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: very difficult. They have no access to oil that just

586
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: has changed some in recent days. They don't have a

587
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: godfather like they once did with the uss R during

588
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: the Cold War. They don't have the allies they once did.

589
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, how do you do, you guys? And

590
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 1: I also don't even know what a change in regime

591
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: in Cuba looks like because it's a country that's lived

592
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: under dictatorship for almost seventy years. So it's you know,

593
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: there's generations and generations now, multiple generations of Cubans that

594
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: don't know what democracy looks like.

595
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 3: A LABELA talk to you about that so much? Yeah,

596
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I.

597
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 4: Mean and I'm obviously knows my grandfather so well. So

598
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 4: obviously my grandfather for listeners and viewers to understand, No,

599
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 4: he Cuban exiut he was a political prisoner and under

600
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 4: the Castro regime and he managed to escape.

601
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: And so so much.

602
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 4: Of my childhoodnsy, so much of my childhood, as you know,

603
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 4: was was really all of it truly revolved around the

604
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 4: idea of one day, you know, being able to go

605
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 4: back to Cuba. In fact, one of the last things

606
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 4: that my grandfather wrote in his memoirs was that the

607
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 4: biggest regret that he had was that he never had

608
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 4: a chance to go back and and he writes it

609
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 4: like that, that I never had the chance to go

610
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 4: back and to see the island where I grew up

611
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 4: one more time. And that is what I grew up with.

612
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 4: So I understand the sort of political trauma that still

613
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 4: runs so deeply in Miami. I grew up with that,

614
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 4: I grew up with with with, you know, that's fifty

615
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 4: percent of my identity. But I think what feels so

616
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 4: strange right now, and I think perhaps the three of

617
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 4: us feel it, is that it feels like there's no

618
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 4: good ending to the story. You know, it feels like

619
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 4: every option around and that's surrounding the island isn't a

620
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 4: good one. We of course, the island is collapsing, and

621
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 4: in theory that's a good thing, because that means that

622
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 4: you're strangling what is left of this, you know, communist

623
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 4: regime that seems to hold on to everything. But we

624
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 4: forget that the people that are in the island are suffering,

625
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 4: you know. I mean, I'm in contact with people that

626
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 4: are like, we can barely get by no, like they're

627
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 4: on the verge of something that looks more like death

628
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 4: than being alive. And so that's, you know, that's a

629
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,240
Speaker 4: sad ending to a story. The idea of a revolution

630
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 4: and an uprising is also like it's it's almost been gone.

631
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 4: And then one of the things that I think a

632
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 4: lot about, and I always wonder what my grandpa would

633
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 4: be thinking about right now, is that now suddenly Cubans

634
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 4: are kind of trapped in this impossible sort of scenario.

635
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 4: Right They're being deported in record numbers from the United States.

636
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,919
Speaker 4: Cuban asylum seekers can no longer come to the United States.

637
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 4: Cuban assylum seekers can no longer come to the United

638
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 4: States in the same way that my family came and

639
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 4: was able to sort of achieve that American dream. And

640
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 4: then on the other side, you know, you're you're literally

641
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 4: stranded and holding onto your life in Cuba. And so

642
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 4: that that kind of reality no of being stuck between

643
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 4: these two swords like that is a I think that

644
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 4: that's very hard for me to wrap my head around

645
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Speaker 4: because it goes back to the same question that we

646
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Speaker 4: have in Minnesueta, which is like where does this leave

647
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Speaker 4: you know, the Cuban people and their voice and their say,

648
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 4: and there's not good, good options here.

649
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Speaker 1: I feel the same way you do, because I you know,

650
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: sometimes it's very easy, particularly if you don't have family

651
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: over there, to say, Okay, they have to they have

652
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: to feel some pain. Yes, they're going to feel some

653
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: temporary pain for there to be freedom. But that's very

654
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 1: hard to say when you have people you love that

655
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: have now no electricity, no food, no transportation, you know,

656
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: none of those things. It's just it's it's it's and

657
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: it feels a little to me. I don't know tone

658
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: death right to be saying it from our homes in

659
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Speaker 1: the United States, with our air conditioning and all of that.

660
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: There is a humanitarian crisis going on in Cuba. We

661
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: all want to see freedom in Cuba. But but but this, this,

662
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: this feels to me as as as somewhat callous and

663
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: ad hoc where there where. It hasn't been thoroughly thought out.

664
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Speaker 1: And I just wish the US wasn't doing these things

665
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: against Venezuela, against Cuba alone. I wish there was an

666
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: alliance of Western democracies doing this along with us. We

667
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: all want to see Cuba free. We all want to

668
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: see Venezuela free. So why is it just that the

669
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: United States is acting, you know, and and can then

670
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 1: be criticized for you know, imperialism or colonization or whatever.

671
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Speaker 2: But also you see, there's international there's no international support

672
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 2: to do something like that. In Mexico. As you know,

673
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 2: the Mexican government for decades has supported the dictatorship in Cuba.

674
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 2: And now because of Donald Trump's pressure, dog Shaman has

675
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 2: been forced to stop the old shipments to Cuba the

676
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 2: same way that as it has happened from Venezuela. But

677
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 2: the fact is that you don't want to affect the

678
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 2: people of Cuba. You want to affect the regime, but

679
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 2: not the people in Cuba. And that's that's the most difficult,

680
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 2: the most difficult.

681
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: So, you know, we mentioned briefly the idea that Cubans

682
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: are getting deported, and not only are they getting deported

683
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: to Cuba, they're getting deported to Mexico. They're getting deported

684
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: to Sudan, They're getting deported to US Jatini, They're getting

685
00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: deported to you know, far off third countries. Venezuelans are

686
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: are also getting deported there. Their Trump has tried to

687
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: take their Temporary protective status TPS away uh and and

688
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: have get rid of them. And so it's part of

689
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: this big immigration mess that Trump has created, this very

690
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: draconian and cruel immigration policy that he is implementing. We

691
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: have seen it play out in the streets of America.

692
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: To me, it makes no sense that as well as

693
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Speaker 1: we are trying to rebuild Venezuelan and democracy, as we

694
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: are trying to force Cuban democracy, at the same time

695
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: we are deporting people who sometimes have been in the

696
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: US for decades and decades contributing and working. But you

697
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: all have seen I mean, you know, we we we've lived,

698
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: we lived that. But you guys have also been in

699
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: Minneapolis recently and you've been covering what's been happening in

700
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: the streets of America, and so I guess my question is,

701
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: did you ever think the things you are seeing play

702
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: out what happen in the United States? Because it kind

703
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: of shocks my immigrant conscience to see it.

704
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 2: I never expected to see that about I don't know

705
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 2: about you, but we have different penny states. Forty years

706
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: in here in the United States, I've never seen anything

707
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: like that. The attacks on Latin, of the attacks on

708
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 2: immigrants and also just to listen to this narrative from

709
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 2: President Trump and his followers, immigrants are not criminals and

710
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 2: not terrorists, not rapers. They they they're here in this

711
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 2: country to contribute. Immigrants contribute much more than what they

712
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: take away from from the system. And we forget that

713
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 2: we depended on them during the pandemic and then suddenly

714
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 2: just to see them being persecuted, family separated. The other day,

715
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 2: I was checking some numbers, and thirty eight hundred children

716
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 2: have been separated from the from their parents, and who knows,

717
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 2: who knows the real number. So no, I never expected

718
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: that from the United States.

719
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Speaker 3: I think.

720
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Speaker 2: I think right now we're in the middle of the store.

721
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 2: Maybe in the mid term something is going to be balanced,

722
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 2: but at this moment, Paula, I don't know how.

723
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Speaker 1: But you know what, hone, you just said that that

724
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: they were attacking Latinos, and they are. They're racially profiling

725
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: and attacking Latinos, but they've also killed blue eyed, blonde

726
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: haired Americans standing up for their neighbors and their friends

727
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: and their community, and they good. You know, it's a

728
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: US citizen, alex pretty, US citizen Ruben Ray Martinez, the

729
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: young man they killed in Texas, US citizen Marie Martinez,

730
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: the woman who they shot five times US citizen. It

731
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: doesn't even It feels like not even being a US

732
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: citizen gives you protection if if you look like I do,

733
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: or you do, or or speak like I do, or

734
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: like you do, or even happen to be at the

735
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: wrong place at the wrong time standing up and protesting,

736
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: which is as American a right as there can possibly be.

737
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Speaker 4: I mean, I'll say I grew up, I graduated from

738
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 4: college when when Barack Obama makes it to the White House, right,

739
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 4: And so I think I very much at the beginning,

740
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 4: when I left campus, like I very much believed in

741
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 4: kind of that theory of change, that like this country

742
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 4: was sort of evolving towards this like very real multi racial, pluralistic,

743
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 4: multi ethnic coalition, right, And like I'm a product of

744
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 4: the American dream. I believe that my whole life. I

745
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 4: think I have become way more skeptical than my father.

746
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 4: I think throughout the last couple of years, and I

747
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 4: think when I put on CNN, I now ad it

748
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 4: on my screen, I am full of pride, and I

749
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 4: want to keep listening, and I want to and I

750
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 4: feel represented when people put on have put on when you,

751
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 4: when they see my dad on TV. That is what

752
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 4: we believe most people feel. However, I think there are

753
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 4: so many millions of people that are so outreached by

754
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 4: the image of seeing people like us on their screens

755
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 4: and taking space and being loud and being who we are.

756
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 4: And I think so much of the moment that we're

757
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 4: in right now is truly, I think, like a very real,

758
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 4: concerted push by people like Stephen Miller that have been

759
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 4: thinking about this, mulling over exactly this moment for decades

760
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 4: at this point and really trying as hard as they

761
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 4: can to kind of stop this inevitable shift of a

762
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 4: country that is and will look more like us. And

763
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 4: so I think I always get a little bit, a

764
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 4: little bit maybe frustrated when people say, well, this isn't

765
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 4: what we voted for, right, he was only going to

766
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 4: go after the bad guys. That's not true. I mean,

767
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 4: this is a president that promised the largest massive portations

768
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 4: in American history, Like this is exactly what it's supposed

769
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 4: to look like. This is an administration that genuinely, like

770
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 4: fundamentally believes but the children of immigrants, which the Supreme

771
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 4: Court is about to hear this case that the children

772
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 4: of immigrants do not deserve to be American now that

773
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 4: they are not worthy of that status. And so I

774
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 4: think what we're truly like witnessing right now, I think

775
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 4: is like this country that is genuinely trying to figure out,

776
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 4: like what is the ethos and like what does it

777
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 4: mean to be us? And so I am like skeptical

778
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 4: in that sense that I love, like I love the

779
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 4: opportunities that have been given, and like I am like you,

780
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 4: like I am so outraged by the images and what

781
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 4: my dad and I saw in Minneapolis. But I am

782
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 4: also I think, very rooted in like why this is

783
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 4: happening and how much fear and resentment and hatred people

784
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 4: can get in their bones when they see people like

785
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 4: us on their screens. And that's something that's.

786
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 3: Part of me.

787
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 2: But I also see signs of resistance, Hannah. I mean

788
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 2: I see signs of resistance every word, with the Supreme

789
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 2: Court telling President Trump no on tariffs, with bad Bonnie

790
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: in the super Bowl, with all the protests we saw

791
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 2: children marching Anna in Minneapolis, children American American citizens protesting

792
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,959
Speaker 2: for Liam Coneco Ramos, who had been arrested by Ice.

793
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 2: So I'm seeing signs of resistance everywhere. This conversation is

794
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 2: a sigence of resistance. So I believe maybe this is

795
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 2: my immigrant soul, and that's where Paula and I might disagree.

796
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 2: I still believe that this country will do the right

797
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: thing at the end, because because I'm a product of

798
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 2: the American dream, and I do believe. I don't think

799
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 2: we are we are in a dictatorship right now. There's

800
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 2: many elements that are not present just to be a dictatorship,

801
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 2: but I think we have to be aware of that,

802
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 2: and I see the fight everywhere.

803
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: So one of the things that dictatorships do, and Joe,

804
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: you lived under one in Mexico, I lived under one

805
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: and I lived under two actually in Nicaraua a right

806
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: wing one and I left wing one. One of the

807
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: things dictatorships do. One of the first things they do

808
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 1: is attack journalism, attack freedom of the press, attack freedom

809
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: of expression. We are seeing very concerted attacks on journalism

810
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: and the free press in this country. Whether it's Stephen

811
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: Colbert and Jimmy Kimmel or Don Lemon and Georgia Ford,

812
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: you name it, we're seeing it. We know it we

813
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: feel it. How do you see what's happening in journalism.

814
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 2: Is it is very complicated to be independent nowadays. And

815
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:26,280
Speaker 2: then I think there's a shift of trust from big

816
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 2: corporations to individual journalists. That's why I think independent journalism

817
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 2: is so important nowadays. And also there's a at the

818
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 2: same time that there's a shift of trust. I think

819
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 2: there's a shift of audiences going from legacy media to

820
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 2: digital media to what you're doing right now, and I

821
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 2: think this shift is incredibly important. So I think we

822
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,720
Speaker 2: have to follow to be relevant. We have to follow

823
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 2: both shift, the shift of trust and technology shift towards

824
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 2: where people are getting their news, which is this.

825
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: Do you miss Do you miss network TV?

826
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 2: I did at the beginning, honestly, But then then I

827
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 2: realized that my impact in terms of numbers and is incredible.

828
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 2: Just in YouTube you can get you can compete with

829
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 2: any any newscast anywhere in the country.

830
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 3: That's one thing.

831
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Speaker 2: The other thing that I learned more on a personal basis,

832
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 2: is that I am not my role not so you're

833
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 2: also in my position.

834
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 1: I learned.

835
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Speaker 2: I thought for thirty eight years that I was the anchorman,

836
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 2: and then I understand that nowadays to be successful in

837
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 2: journalism and relevant, you cannot be an anchorman. You have

838
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 2: to be a surfer. You have to serve between platforms.

839
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 2: And I'm learning this new form that that I'm sure

840
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 2: you're going to allow because it has a human connection

841
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: that you cannot find anywhere else. So, yes, at the beginning,

842
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 2: I did not anymore.

843
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: I want to ask you both thing. You know, I

844
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: know you both so well, But Paola, you grew up

845
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: in Spain mostly with your mom, your grandparents, and then

846
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: you came to the United States when you were almost

847
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: about when you came in tenth grade to the United States.

848
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: So you didn't grow up with your dad. You would

849
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: see him, of course, but you didn't grow up on

850
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: a daily basis with your dad. How is it to

851
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: be getting to know each other this well as adults,

852
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 1: as humans and people as colleagues. I mean, what's this

853
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: process been like for you?

854
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 4: And I think you're right, like we I spent most

855
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 4: of my childhood, your formative in Spain. Yeah, my formative

856
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 4: year is exactly and in Spain, and so I think

857
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 4: we became so accustomed to take advantage of the time

858
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 4: that we did have together. Right, So growing up for

859
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 4: me like some of my favorite memories were I mean

860
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 4: I vividly remember, right, like my dad picking me up

861
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 4: from the Miami a report and spending summers with him

862
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 4: or spring breaks with him or Christmas. Right, And so

863
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 4: I think we for years like those windows that we have.

864
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 4: I mean, I can imagine being like seventy years old,

865
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 4: maybe my dad will still be alive. And it's like

866
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 4: if we like if we have an opportunity to go

867
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 4: on a vacation together, spend a weeknd together, we will

868
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 4: take it because I think our brains are so wired

869
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 4: to like take advantage of the of the small time

870
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 4: that we have. And so now we literally are on

871
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 4: the phone like almost every single day, Right, we get

872
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 4: to do something that I think, in a way is

873
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 4: almost like but down there them bono. We're kind of

874
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 4: like taking back all the time that we lost or

875
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 4: that we didn't have. And it's not necessarily that we're

876
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 4: like kind of getting to know each other because we

877
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 4: are extremely close, Like I mean I can say that

878
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 4: very generally, like we we're so close, right, Like I

879
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 4: tell my dad everything and we talk all the time.

880
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 4: But it is it really does feel like like this

881
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 4: this new chapter where we get to I don't know,

882
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 4: just be not only like a father daughter, but but

883
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 4: now it's like professionals. It's it's been amazing, it really has.

884
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 4: And and and since you asked him my question of

885
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 4: of what it's kind of like the difference for him

886
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,399
Speaker 4: of what it means to be an anchor and now

887
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 4: going towards this side of the industry, like, it's been

888
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 4: incredible watching him too. That like seeing you kind of

889
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 4: in this new almost like kind of like this like

890
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 4: breathing in a different way, and and kind of like

891
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 4: a more vulnerable side to you, more personal side to you,

892
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 4: which is at times hard for both of.

893
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: Us to be like nor more humans.

894
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 4: It's been, it really has. It's been amazing.

895
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 2: So let me let me get corniacio because I'm gonna

896
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 2: say something that neither one of you want to say,

897
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna I'm gonna say it.

898
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 3: People have no idea.

899
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 2: But Paula, when she came from from Spain to Miami,

900
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 2: we couldn't find a high school for her because it

901
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 2: was in the middle of the year. It was incredibly difficult.

902
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 2: And guess who was the only person who helped us

903
00:53:55,560 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 2: get into a high school? Okay, this wasn't any no, no, no,

904
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 2: that's the true. And thanks to you, she got into

905
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 2: an incredible high school. And then I'm gonna get a

906
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 2: little more corny here. Oh God, and that little girl

907
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 2: made it to Harvard.

908
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: Per I've always told her she needs to take care

909
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 1: of me in her old age.

910
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 2: Listen, thanks to you and I we said a thousand times,

911
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 2: but I'm I wanted people to know that thanks to you,

912
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 2: Paula had an option to become who she is.

913
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:33,720
Speaker 1: Well. I don't know if I've told you this story,

914
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,240
Speaker 1: but it was. The school you're talking about was Carrolton

915
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,439
Speaker 1: School of the Sacred Heart, and it was incredibly hard

916
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,479
Speaker 1: to get into. It's still even harder to get into now.

917
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: And Paola had applied and she got rejected. I don't

918
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 1: know what they were thinking, but she did. And I

919
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: had graduated from there, and I'm very close to the nuns.

920
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: Don't ask me how, but I am. And I called

921
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: up the head mistress, the head nun, sister Cook, and

922
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: I said, Susan's if dan Rather's daughter was applying, do

923
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: you think you'd let her in? She said yeah. I

924
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 1: said in Peter Jennings yeah, and Tom Broker yeah, and

925
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: I said, well, this kid's father has more fucking viewers

926
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: than all three of them combined, so please make real.

927
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: And that's and and she said okay, And the next

928
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: day called you guys. But there's a story, hey, that

929
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: you and I have never talked about in public. I

930
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: don't even know that we've talked about it with each

931
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: other after it happened that I want to revisit. So

932
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 1: it was when you were supposed to interview Sarah Palin.

933
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 1: You were supposed to get the first Spanish interview with

934
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: Sarah Palin in two thousand and eight, when she had

935
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: been named by McCain as his running mate, and you

936
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 1: flew all the way to Milwaukee with your entire team.

937
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: This was like you were going to be off the

938
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 1: air for three whole days as a result. I was

939
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 1: the national Hispanic chair for John McCain's campaign. I was

940
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 1: there and you got there, and I had to break

941
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: the news to you that Sarah Palin was not going

942
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: to give you the interviews, and it was it was

943
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: a mess. She was, she was, she was in the

944
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: hotel in tears, crying, having a meltdown, and and she

945
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 1: told John, I'm McCain, I can't do this. Remember she

946
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: had gone through the the interview where she couldn't remember

947
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 1: what newspapers she read. She and she was, she was,

948
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: her confidence was shaken, and she was she was a

949
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: nervous wreck. And she refused to do it. And John

950
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: McCain said, don't work to her, don't worry, I will

951
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: do it. So they I don't, I don't. I hope

952
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: you remember this. They had had an event together.

953
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 2: I remember not getting the interview, but I didn't know

954
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 2: it was your fault.

955
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 1: But then then John McCain, you interviewed John McCain and

956
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: he said to you, I promise you, my friend, you

957
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: will get the first Spanish interview with her. And I

958
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 1: went and I traveled with her for two weeks, tried

959
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: to get her prepared for that. And you came and

960
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: you did that interview in Colorado Springs. Yes, and you

961
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: know you. I thought you were incredibly gracious to her

962
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: because you could have done a gotcha interview. You could have,

963
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: you know, made her look stupid. She didn't know that

964
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: much about Latino issues, She didn't know that much about immigrants,

965
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: She didn't know that much about the Western hemisphere. She

966
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: was a governor from Alaska, but yeah, but a few

967
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: years later, after Trump threw you out of the press conference,

968
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: what was that fifteen twenty.

969
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 2: Sixteen, fifteen indub kayahwa, Yeah, he ejected me from a

970
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 2: press conference for questions he didn't like.

971
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: I've thrown you out of better places. But Palin was

972
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: interviewing Trump in twenty fifteen for o An when American News,

973
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: and she commended Trump, congratulated Trump for throwing you out

974
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: of that press conference.

975
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 3: I didn't know that.

976
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: And she asked him how he deals with gotcha journalism

977
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: like that and called you a radical activist.

978
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 4: Wow.

979
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 2: Wow, I didn't know that part of the story. I

980
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 2: should have been tougher with her then the first time.

981
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: How often has that happened to you, that you show

982
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: up somewhere and you don't get the interview.

983
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 2: Well, not many times, but it happens. But the worst

984
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 2: is when they stand up and go not like like

985
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 2: it happened with Maduo or with Donald trumk who he

986
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 2: just didn't you know that twenty fifteen incident that has

987
00:58:56,320 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 2: been reported a lot. What we said after the that

988
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 2: confrontation with Trum said, Hey, this guy is dangerous to democracy.

989
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 2: This guy doesn't believe in freem of the press, and

990
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 2: then nobody pay attention. There was an OK, you have

991
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 2: no idea, you don't understand the American politics. That's not true.

992
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 2: And look eleven years later, look where we are. And

993
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 2: then maybe this is not the right moment, Anna, But

994
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 2: you have to tell us about your transformation because because

995
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 2: of Trump, you changed incredibly.

996
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll come on your podcast and I'll say, yeah,

997
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: we'll do that later. But I want to end with something, Paula,

998
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: because you mentioned your grandfather, Carlo Alberto Montaner, who was

999
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: one of the great authors and thinkers and Latin American intellectuals.

1000
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: His his weekly column was published in over two hundred

1001
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: newspapers around the world. Somebody that I loved and admired

1002
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: and was my friend and such a huge influence on you, Paola,

1003
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 1: and he adored you. But Calo Alberto died by assistan

1004
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: at suicide in Spain what two years ago.

1005
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, exactly, yeah, two years ago.

1006
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: And he was one of the first to do it

1007
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: when the Spanish law allowed that, when there was a

1008
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: law passed, and part of what he had to do

1009
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: was bring you all along as a family. He had

1010
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: he had a weird form of he had a very

1011
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: aggressive form of something related to Parkinson's of a neurological disease,

1012
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: and he didn't want to live being a burden or

1013
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: not being able to to be self sufficient. He didn't

1014
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: want to He wanted to die in his own terms

1015
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 1: and with dignity. But how how was that?

1016
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 4: I mean, it was both I think one of the

1017
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 4: hardest things we've done as a family and also one

1018
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 4: of the most like inspiring things in the sense that

1019
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 4: you know, my my grandfather truly, truly, truly believed in

1020
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 4: and like people's individual liberties, right, I mean you know this,

1021
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 4: and like he was. He was someone that believed that

1022
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 4: in order for like societies to true functioned and democracy

1023
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 4: is to truly function, is like people are entitled to

1024
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 4: their own individual choice. And for him, that even translated

1025
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 4: to people's ability to to die with dignity, you know,

1026
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 4: when when you are confronted with degenerative diseases like he is,

1027
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 4: or with terminal illnesses like he he really really did

1028
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 4: not want to be trapped in his own body, and

1029
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 4: the United States didn't offer and does not offer sort

1030
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 4: of a legal avenue to do that unless you're terminally

1031
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 4: ill like in this country, you have to be facing

1032
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 4: a terminally a terminal cancer that gives you no more

1033
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 4: than six months of life. And so that meant that

1034
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 4: he had to, you know, uproot his life and move

1035
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 4: to Spain where it is legal. And I'll just tell you,

1036
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 4: like until the very end of his life, when he

1037
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 4: already knew that his case was approved, when he knew

1038
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 4: exactly the date and the time of when the doctors

1039
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 4: would come, you know, to his apartment in Madrid and

1040
01:01:55,960 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 4: a minister, and he never cried once. He was so courageous.

1041
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 4: And I just remember like spending all those hours just

1042
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 4: looking at him and being in awe, know, in awe

1043
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 4: of this person that that just like knew so well

1044
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 4: like what he wanted and how he wanted, and all

1045
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 4: that it meant is that he wanted to die with

1046
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 4: grace because he couldn't do what he loved most, which

1047
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 4: was to be with his family, to write, to think,

1048
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 4: to speak freely. And it was again, I think those

1049
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 4: moments make you live very intensely. No, and I have

1050
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 4: some of the best I guess I can say right like,

1051
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 4: I had the best goodbye of my life. Not to

1052
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 4: be able to say goodbye is now that I know

1053
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 4: what that looks like is a privilege. As hard as

1054
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 4: it was.

1055
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 3: His last words, Paula remind us what he said at

1056
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 3: the end.

1057
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 4: His last words right before he died were the same,

1058
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 4: no wish me a good journey. And that's literally how

1059
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 4: how he how he signed off from life.

1060
01:02:56,680 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: You know, you have such an incredible heritage, half Mexican,

1061
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 1: half Cuban American. But I think Alojelberto, your grandfather, would

1062
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: be as proud of you as I know your father is.

1063
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: And you just you know, everything you get from both sides,

1064
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: you embody and represent and carry on so well. And

1065
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 1: I when I learned that your grandfather had died, and

1066
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 1: the way he died, it was the most It was

1067
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: the so many people say. We all say to each other,

1068
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: if I ever get this, like if I ever get

1069
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 1: like that, if I'm not able to take care of myself,

1070
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to die, make sure I don't continue them.

1071
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: But I think some of us don't mean it, and

1072
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 1: when we get faced with the actual choice, maybe don't

1073
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 1: have the means or the courage to really follow through.

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Speaker 1: He's one of the bravest men I knew, and and

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Speaker 1: I think it was it was the least surprising thing

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Speaker 1: to know that he's done what he'd actually said he

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Speaker 1: wanted to do, not live without dignity. Well, I love

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Speaker 1: you both. I thank you for having spend this time

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Speaker 1: with me. Next time we'll do it on your podcast

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Speaker 1: and with Margharita's Please.

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Speaker 2: Do that and welcome to the podcast world. Yes, this

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Speaker 2: is just fantastic. It's you're gonna see. We're gonna see

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Speaker 2: the new Anna.

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Speaker 1: You've seen a lot of me already. I haven't been

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Speaker 1: quite as reserved as you have. I love you, Grazia.

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Speaker 1: I've always thought you were a mass chingung. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: continue to keep a close eye on the region, especially

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Speaker 1: now that Christino is leading the Shield of America's God

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Speaker 1: help us all. I also want to talk about the

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Speaker 1: heroes of the week, and this is important. It is sobering.

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Speaker 1: It is the reality of war. So so far as

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Speaker 1: we tape this, there's six US casualties service member casualties

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Speaker 1: that we need to talk about and shamefully, earlier this week,

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Speaker 1: Trump said, ah, it's just the way it is in war.

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Speaker 1: Hag Seth said, ah, tragic things happen, and said the

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Speaker 1: fact that we want to talk about these heroes we

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Speaker 1: want to say their names and talk about their stories.

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Speaker 1: That we do that just to make Donald Trump look bad. No,

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Speaker 1: we do it because war has human costs, and these

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Speaker 1: people have real names and faces and families who love

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Speaker 1: them and are going to miss them for the rest

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Speaker 1: of their lives. The heroes of the week are Captain

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Speaker 1: Cody Cork he was thirty five. Sergeant first Class Noah

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Speaker 1: Tegins he was forty two. Sergeant first class Nicole Amor

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Speaker 1: she was thirty nine. Sergeant Declan Cody he was only twenty.

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Speaker 1: Major Jeffrey O'Brien he was forty five. Chief Warrant Officer

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Speaker 1: Robert Marsan he was fifty four. These were heroes. They

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Speaker 1: signed up to serve our country. Whether they agree or

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Speaker 1: disagree with the actions and decisions taken by the commander

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Speaker 1: in chief, they are there to serve and they lost

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Speaker 1: their lives in the line of service. Thank you to

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Speaker 1: them for their service. That's it for today's show. Thank

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Speaker 1: you Hoje and Paola, and thank you all for listening.

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Speaker 1: You guys don't know what it means to me to

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Speaker 1: read your comments, the opinions you're leaving me, the feedback,

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Speaker 1: the suggestions, I'm reading them all. I really appreciate you

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Speaker 1: taking the time to listen and be part of this

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Speaker 1: journey and Bleep with Anna Navarro See you next week.

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Speaker 1: Bleep with Anna Navarro is a High Finite Media group

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Speaker 1: production in partnership with Iheart's Michael Duda podcast Network. For

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