WEBVTT - Musk's Twitter Deal and Amazon's $13B Bet on NFL

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<v Speaker 1>From the heart of where innovation, money and power colli

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<v Speaker 1>in Silicon Valley and beyond. This is Bloomberg Technology with

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<v Speaker 1>Emily Jay I'm Emily changing San Francisco in this Bloomberg

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<v Speaker 1>Technology coming up in the next hour. Elon Musk tries

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<v Speaker 1>to back out of the billion dollar Twitter deal again.

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<v Speaker 1>Turner projects him again. All this a day before the

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<v Speaker 1>whistleblower is scheduled to testify on Capitol Hill. How could

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<v Speaker 1>that change? The trial will discuss claus streaming platforms going

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<v Speaker 1>all out for sports broadcast rights, a conversation with Amazon's

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<v Speaker 1>global sports video vice president on its big ticket deal

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<v Speaker 1>for Thursday Night football, and Morley some making bets on

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<v Speaker 1>the blockchain and n f E t startup backed by

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<v Speaker 1>Serena Williams just got a big deal with the NBA.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to talk to a top execut at so

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<v Speaker 1>rare later this hour. All of that in a moment,

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<v Speaker 1>but first, let's talk a little bit more about Twitter.

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<v Speaker 1>Musk now Twitter rejecting that latest effort to cancel the

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<v Speaker 1>deal yet again, saying it's quote invalid and wrongful. His

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<v Speaker 1>third attempt to walk away from this deal and third

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<v Speaker 1>times not the charm that whistleblower former Twitter employee Peter

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<v Speaker 1>zat co A K A. Mudge, testifies before the Senate

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<v Speaker 1>Judiciary Committee Tuesday. Here discuss s Bloomberg's Jeff Feely in Wilmington, Delaware,

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<v Speaker 1>and Alex Barnka in San Francisco. So, Alex, first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>what are we expecting to hear from Peter zat COO

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<v Speaker 1>on Capitol Hill tomorrow? Yeah, so I think that that

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<v Speaker 1>the hearing tomorrow will probably follow two lanes of conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>There'll be questions around the data privacy concerns, around the

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<v Speaker 1>bots and fake at counts that Zacho has alleged that

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<v Speaker 1>the company either ignored or didn't disclose. But I also

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<v Speaker 1>expect the Senate Judiciary Committee to focus on some more

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<v Speaker 1>of the data privacy issues that legislators care about. Um

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<v Speaker 1>that might be a little less relevant to the acquisition,

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<v Speaker 1>but increasingly relevant as d C has been able to

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<v Speaker 1>push through antitrust legislation but has not gotten a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of traction on data privacy, So they might take this

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to lean into some of those themes as well. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Elon Musk is trying to use new information that

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter signed a seven million dollar separation agreement with Peter

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<v Speaker 1>zach Co back in June. Must trying to use that

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<v Speaker 1>as a reason to cancel the deal. You know what

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<v Speaker 1>exactly is he trying to say here, Well, he's basically

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<v Speaker 1>saying that that payment constituted something outside the ordinary course

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<v Speaker 1>of business. When you have these buyout agreements going on,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the provisions it's often in there says that

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<v Speaker 1>the seller has to continue to run the business in

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<v Speaker 1>the ordinary course. Mr musk contention is this seven million

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<v Speaker 1>dollar severance payment was somehow tied to silencing Mr Zacho

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<v Speaker 1>so that he would not bring forth his his complaints publicly,

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<v Speaker 1>so that that, he claims, is another reason that there's

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<v Speaker 1>been a material adverse event and he should be able

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<v Speaker 1>to cancel the deal. It don't sound like a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of money, seven million dollars to get this guy to

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<v Speaker 1>go away, Alex and then he ends up, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>blowing the whistle. Anyway, Can you tell us a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more about what happened here between Zacho and Twitter? Yeah, Emily,

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<v Speaker 1>the sticker shark that you're having might be some of

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why Musk feels like he can lean into

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<v Speaker 1>this as an argument that um, this type of settlement

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<v Speaker 1>should have been brought to his camp and his outside

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<v Speaker 1>the regular course of business. So this was a guy

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<v Speaker 1>who was an executive on the security side, was brought

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<v Speaker 1>in um number of years back and oversaw a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the important kind of security pieces and the teams

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<v Speaker 1>that worked on those things internally at Twitter. So um,

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<v Speaker 1>he is a person who you know, claims that he

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<v Speaker 1>has kind of insider knowledge on this. The company says, well, look,

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<v Speaker 1>you could have actually made some changes on these things.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's an interesting um kind of back and forth here, Emily,

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<v Speaker 1>I will point out, Um, it has been reported that

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<v Speaker 1>in that settlement agreement he was still allowed to blow

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<v Speaker 1>the whistle um to to govern to the government if

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<v Speaker 1>there were any issues. So um, seven million dollars definitely

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<v Speaker 1>sticker shock um definitely Uh that kind of third strike

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<v Speaker 1>that Ellen is claiming allows him to get out of

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<v Speaker 1>the deal. Um, but did leave that door open for

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<v Speaker 1>us to hear from Peter Zacho tomorrow morning. Now Jeff

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<v Speaker 1>has to judge weigh in on this latest request from

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<v Speaker 1>Musk and this latest information about the separation agreement, and

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<v Speaker 1>if not, what are we going to hear from her? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the judge has allowed Mr Musk to amend his counterclaims

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<v Speaker 1>in the case to add the whistleblowers allegations. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to point out that the seven million dollar payment may

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<v Speaker 1>be contractual. We do not know if this was per

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<v Speaker 1>a severance agreement with Mr Zach Coo, so I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>automatically recoil at the seven million dollar number. We still

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<v Speaker 1>need to find out what that's all about. I doubt

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna learn that tomorrow either. So how are you

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<v Speaker 1>expecting this testimony from Zach Coo tomorrow to be folded

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<v Speaker 1>into the case that, of course was building up to

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<v Speaker 1>this child coming up in mid October. Jeff his his

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<v Speaker 1>testimony tomorrow about the national security stuff and potential spies

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<v Speaker 1>within Twitter's employee uh group are the things that the

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<v Speaker 1>senators are gonna be focusing on. The folks that that

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<v Speaker 1>we're concerned about is going to be his his allegation

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<v Speaker 1>that he raised the question of at how many spam

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<v Speaker 1>and robot accounts were embedded within the customer base and

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<v Speaker 1>the Twitter his colleagues lack of interest in finding that out.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the key question in the trial coming up, because

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<v Speaker 1>that's where Mr Musk has put all his chips. In

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<v Speaker 1>terms of defense arguments, well, clearly both parties are gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be watching this, this testimony with bated breath, Uh, Alex

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<v Speaker 1>any word from Twitter about the latest salvo or how

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<v Speaker 1>any of this potentially changes their plans. So they basically

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<v Speaker 1>came out and said, look, we don't buy the argument

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<v Speaker 1>that the separation agreement um is a viable excuse. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that the Twitter camp will also be watching

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<v Speaker 1>this very closely as well a lot of the shareholders

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<v Speaker 1>who are potentially making their voices heard in the shareholder

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<v Speaker 1>vote tomorrow. UM. I would think if things go really

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<v Speaker 1>far down the line of privacy concerns, if there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of kind of intra us in the data security

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<v Speaker 1>piece that are unrelated to the acquisition, that would just

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<v Speaker 1>be another thing to add to the list of Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>CEO is kind of big ticket items to care about.

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter has not been brought into d C as often

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<v Speaker 1>as a lot of the larger social media appears. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think, uh, internally, you could argue there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of distractions going on at the company right now,

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<v Speaker 1>and if they do get some traction UM. In terms

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<v Speaker 1>of legislators arguments that data privacy should be more important

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<v Speaker 1>than Emily. I would add that to the list of

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<v Speaker 1>kind of some of these ancillary concerns that are outside

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<v Speaker 1>of just operating the business. All right, Alex Brenka Jeff Phey,

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<v Speaker 1>continuing to cover this evolving legal drama for us. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you both for joining us. Meantime, a story that we

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<v Speaker 1>continue to watch. Intel is scaling back expectations for its

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<v Speaker 1>mobile i i p O. According to Bloomberg sources, the

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<v Speaker 1>move could delay the share sale until next year if

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<v Speaker 1>market conditions don't improve. Intel expects the i p about

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<v Speaker 1>to value the self driving tech business as much as

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<v Speaker 1>thirty billion dollars. Warders and others reported earlier potential valuations

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<v Speaker 1>of more than fifty billion dollars. All right, coming up,

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<v Speaker 1>how Amazon and other streaming giants are disrupting one of

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<v Speaker 1>the bastions of traditional television, that is sports broadcasting. Right

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<v Speaker 1>to top, Amazon executive with us next. This is Bloomberg.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a historic week for sports broadcasting. This Thursday,

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon Prime Video kicks off in eleven year thirteen billion

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<v Speaker 1>dollar deal. This is the first time a streaming service

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<v Speaker 1>has had exclusive rights to NFL games in the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>and a big challenge to major networks. Amazon told advertisers

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<v Speaker 1>it expects an average audience of twelve point six million

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<v Speaker 1>viewers per game. This according to The Wall Street Journal.

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<v Speaker 1>Vice President of Amazon Global Sports Video Marie john A.

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<v Speaker 1>Hue is the architect of Amazon's Lives Force ambitions, and

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<v Speaker 1>she joins us now to discuss So a huge week

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<v Speaker 1>Marie for Amazon. Uh and for the first time, fans

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<v Speaker 1>are gonna have to log onto Amazon Prime Video to

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<v Speaker 1>see this big game on Thursday nights. Does this seem

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<v Speaker 1>like a turning point to you in sports broadcasting? Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I look, honestly, I think this will be

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<v Speaker 1>as big as when the NFL went to cable back

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<v Speaker 1>in nine seven. You know, we know how NFL games

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<v Speaker 1>legitimized and grew the cable cable business, and we think

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing can happen for streaming. So you lead

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<v Speaker 1>negotiations for this thirteen billion dollar, eleven year deal. It

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<v Speaker 1>is a massive deal. How did you convince the NFL

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<v Speaker 1>that Amazon was the place to be, right, Well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL cares important, cares a lot about scale and reach,

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<v Speaker 1>and we've got that. We've got that better than any

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<v Speaker 1>better than any other's dreaming service. They also care about production,

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<v Speaker 1>and they knew we we showed in Europe and we

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<v Speaker 1>also showed by our work in the US that we

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<v Speaker 1>can produce the best broadcast for fans. It's incredibly important

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<v Speaker 1>to them and one of the most exciting things for

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<v Speaker 1>me is they care about innovation. You know, the the

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<v Speaker 1>NFL has been able to stay top of mind for

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<v Speaker 1>sports fans for decades because they innovate and they move

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<v Speaker 1>forward and they have that confidence and that that's the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest That was one of the biggest tenants in our

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<v Speaker 1>deal with the NFL. We agreed to push each other

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<v Speaker 1>and to continue to push each other on innovating on

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<v Speaker 1>behalf of sports fans, and it's something that's personally really

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<v Speaker 1>exciting and and something that really excites the team. What

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<v Speaker 1>are your goals with audience numbers? I understand we've got

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<v Speaker 1>this Wall Street Journal number that you're expecting twelve point

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<v Speaker 1>six million viewers. Is that correct? Um? I also understand

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<v Speaker 1>the typical viewership is more like sixteen and a half million.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you hoping or thinking that you can get there

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<v Speaker 1>or bigger? Right? Well, you know, our number one focus

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<v Speaker 1>is delivering the absolute best broadcast for fans and the

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<v Speaker 1>trends are in our favor. Everyone knows that more and

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<v Speaker 1>more fans, particularly sports fans, are moving to streaming. Thinks

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<v Speaker 1>this won't happen overnight. This is an eleven year deal,

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<v Speaker 1>but we feel really strongly that if you start with fans,

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<v Speaker 1>you serve the fans, they will come. And so we're excited.

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<v Speaker 1>We we had our preseason game two weeks ago and

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<v Speaker 1>the reaction from fans was just fabulous, and we're really

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<v Speaker 1>excited to get on the field this Thursday. Thursday, the

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<v Speaker 1>Chargers taken on the Kansas City Chiefs. UM. Talk to

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<v Speaker 1>us then about how this benefits Amazon more broadly. You

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<v Speaker 1>know what what's gonna be your measure of success. Is

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<v Speaker 1>it driving audience numbers? Is it driving more Prime memberships?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it getting more customers to buy more Amazon products? Yeah? Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>So I hate to sound repetitive, but at Amazon, we

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<v Speaker 1>start with customers. I call them sports fans, and so

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<v Speaker 1>number one, we think we serve sports fans better. We

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<v Speaker 1>can serve customers better. But if we wouldn't be in this,

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<v Speaker 1>if we didn't think we could improve the experience and

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<v Speaker 1>make it better for fans. But absolutely, as you said, Emily,

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<v Speaker 1>they're great business opportunities here. Number one, we're Prime. Prime

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<v Speaker 1>Video is a membership service, so we can attract more

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<v Speaker 1>members to Prime. There are plenty of people who have

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<v Speaker 1>Prime who maybe have don't even haven't streamed video on

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<v Speaker 1>Prime Video. And then there are other folks who come

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<v Speaker 1>in for Thursday night football and find things like Lord

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<v Speaker 1>of the Rings. So we think, particularly in the Prime

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<v Speaker 1>membership opportunity is huge. We think that opportunity is huge

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<v Speaker 1>for us. And you know, we haven't even talked about advertising.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, advertising, This is a game change for advertising

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<v Speaker 1>for at Amazon. We have a very strong business already,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can't beat this is the most premium video

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<v Speaker 1>advertising inventory out there. So it's a huge game changer

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<v Speaker 1>for us in terms of advertising. So how do you

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<v Speaker 1>plan to leverage targeted advertising and do some things differently

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<v Speaker 1>that maybe a traditional network wouldn't be able to do

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<v Speaker 1>given all of the data and other ways you have

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<v Speaker 1>to reach your customers? Right, Well, I would start with

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we've done a deal with Nielsen, so we

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<v Speaker 1>we actually are the first streamer to do a deal

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<v Speaker 1>with Nielsen, so we'll have ratings every week. So we

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<v Speaker 1>think that's really important because that is what advertisers and

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<v Speaker 1>the industry follows or Nielsen ratings. On top of that,

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<v Speaker 1>as you say, we have first party data, and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>use that data not only to measure our fans and

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<v Speaker 1>to and and to serve to serve them better, but

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<v Speaker 1>also to serve advertisers better. We can actually use that

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<v Speaker 1>first party data to make the advertising more relevant, more targeted,

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<v Speaker 1>more directed. So it's an incredible opportunity. Now talk to

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<v Speaker 1>us about the experience. Is there gonna be a pregame show,

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<v Speaker 1>a halftime show, sideline reporters. How is this going to

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<v Speaker 1>be different than a traditional network at spirit? Right? So,

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<v Speaker 1>so first of all, we start, we start with the basics.

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<v Speaker 1>We have the best broadcast. We think we will have

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<v Speaker 1>the best game broadcast in the business. I mean, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been in sports twenty years and you always have

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<v Speaker 1>to remember it starts and ends with the game. So

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<v Speaker 1>we've got iconic broadcasters like Al Michael's and Kirk curb Street.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got Kayleie hard Tongue on the sidelines. This will

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<v Speaker 1>be the absolute broadcast. We've got more cameras than anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you turn on your big screen television or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever device, were on every piece of glass. Whatever you

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<v Speaker 1>watch the game, you can sit back and relax and

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy that huge, big screen experience. But on top of that,

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<v Speaker 1>as you mentioned, Emily, we're we're no t T service,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're not satisfied with that. The bar for us

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<v Speaker 1>is really high. We want to innovate, so we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to offer all sorts of innovation and custom customized experience

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<v Speaker 1>for fans. Will have alternate feeds. You can watch the game,

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<v Speaker 1>you can sit down and watch with your family and

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<v Speaker 1>watch the dudes Dude perfect, or you can go, you

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<v Speaker 1>can um and you can explore our x ray experience,

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<v Speaker 1>which is actually without ever leaving the game, you can

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<v Speaker 1>see all sorts of data and statistics and replays. The

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<v Speaker 1>point of Extray is actually to put the tools that

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<v Speaker 1>normally have to wait for a producer or director to say,

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<v Speaker 1>oh let me see that replay, let me show you

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<v Speaker 1>some extra stats. We're going to put that in the

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<v Speaker 1>hands of fans. And then, of course we have all

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<v Speaker 1>the content around the game, so we have pregame, post game,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll have a great late night show, and we've got

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<v Speaker 1>the best the best talent in the business there. We've

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<v Speaker 1>got Charissa Thompson we've got Hall of Famer Tony Gonzalez.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got two guys right off the field, Richard Sherman

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<v Speaker 1>and Ryan Fitzpatrick. They're going to be amazing the conversation

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<v Speaker 1>these guys have. They were on the field with these

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<v Speaker 1>guys just last year, so they'll take fans literally inside

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<v Speaker 1>the thinking of the players on the field. And we've

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<v Speaker 1>got a great surrounding cast. And then we've got we're

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<v Speaker 1>also going to offer the game and the programming on Twitch.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember we have Twitch, which is an incredibly young, incredibly young,

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<v Speaker 1>um interactive audience, and you know, Twitch is all about

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<v Speaker 1>watching with your community, So we're excited we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>expand the communal nature of sports through Twitch. And then

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<v Speaker 1>on top of it, we've got some shows during the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the week, so we are going to surround

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<v Speaker 1>fans all week. And as you can tell from my excitement,

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<v Speaker 1>we're we're just thrilled to get going. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>assume you've got some contingency plans, you know, are you

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<v Speaker 1>sure all cable fans are gonna be able to find

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<v Speaker 1>the game? Are you planning for any kind of onboarding

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<v Speaker 1>issues or an on slot of onboarding issues? Potentially absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>So we were on every piece of glass, as I mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you come to any Amazon service, you're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be able to miss this game, and it'll

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<v Speaker 1>be seamless and it will be easy. But also we've

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<v Speaker 1>got great third party marketing to to also help you.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course we're prepared. We've done this in Europe,

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<v Speaker 1>we've done this in other places in the US. We

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<v Speaker 1>actually have all sorts of online tools, and we're old school.

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<v Speaker 1>We also have phone numbers you can call, and we

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<v Speaker 1>actually put extra people on hand because we know that

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<v Speaker 1>it's incredibly frustrating when you call the sometimes when you

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<v Speaker 1>call those services and you don't get an answer. We

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<v Speaker 1>will have literally thousands of people ready to take those

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<v Speaker 1>phone calls if needed. So we're incredibly excited. We've been

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<v Speaker 1>preparing for this for years. This is really hard work

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<v Speaker 1>and it's really complicated, and we've been building at it,

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<v Speaker 1>building towards it for years. We think we're the company

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<v Speaker 1>and the best, with no other companies in position to

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<v Speaker 1>serve a game like this to a concurrent, concurrent audience

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<v Speaker 1>like we're going to experience this season. So the big question,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, then is what next is Amazon planning to

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<v Speaker 1>bid on any of the remaining college sports rights or

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<v Speaker 1>the NBA. What else do you have coming? Well, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>I can't talk about specifics, but what I can tell you,

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<v Speaker 1>Emily is we approach everything from the sports fan perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>So the first thing we do is we say, how

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<v Speaker 1>do fans consume this content? Is there a way we

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<v Speaker 1>can do better? Is there a way we can serve

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<v Speaker 1>those fans better? And of course then what can we

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<v Speaker 1>do differently and does it make sense for us? So

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<v Speaker 1>there's literally I can't really think of any sports rights

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<v Speaker 1>we don't look at. I mean, we're in business with

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL, We're in business with the Yankees. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we provide local games exclusively in New York. So we're excited.

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<v Speaker 1>The partners who are willing to come with us are

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<v Speaker 1>the ones who are forward focused, fan focus and really

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<v Speaker 1>want to go as you know, the old Wayne Gretzky

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<v Speaker 1>want to go where the puck is going, not where

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<v Speaker 1>it's been. So last quick question, I know you used

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<v Speaker 1>to work at ESPN. Amazon has a huge content budget.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if you're also thinking about making new sports content.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I believe you were involved in the thirty

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<v Speaker 1>for thirties series, um you know, and and maybe original

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<v Speaker 1>sports documentaries and other ways that you can build out

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon as a big player in where you go to

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<v Speaker 1>see things about sports. Absolutely, so we've already started that. Emily.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got a series All or Nothing that we've done

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<v Speaker 1>in the US and Europe. We've got great, great success

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<v Speaker 1>with that, and actually five months ago we started a

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<v Speaker 1>separate sports group in my group. We're hiring or staffing

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<v Speaker 1>up if anybody in a young filmmakers out there want

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<v Speaker 1>to come work with us. So we're excited. We think

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<v Speaker 1>when you have those that additional content, not only is

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<v Speaker 1>it valuable on its own, we have a high bar

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<v Speaker 1>we wanted to be excellent content, but it also engages

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<v Speaker 1>fans more with the athletes and the teams that then

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<v Speaker 1>we show on live events. It's a really great um

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<v Speaker 1>ecosystem to get going. And we we we found that

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<v Speaker 1>in Europe when we have are all or nothings on

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<v Speaker 1>the Premier league teams, we notice that those fans understand

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<v Speaker 1>and appreciate those players and those teams even more when

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<v Speaker 1>they understand what they've gone through and seen behind this

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<v Speaker 1>and and seen behind the scenes. All right, Uh, Marie Donnie,

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<v Speaker 1>who I believe I got You've got to catch a

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<v Speaker 1>flight to Kansas City. UM, so thank you so much

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<v Speaker 1>for joining us. Amazon Global Sports Video Vice President and

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<v Speaker 1>excited to see how it all shakes out. On Thursday,

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<v Speaker 1>Early indicators suggest Apple's iPhone fourteen pre orders are stronger

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<v Speaker 1>than expected. Pre order data showing that the iPhone fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>Pro Max is the best selling model, and orders for

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<v Speaker 1>the iPhone fourteen or tracking slightly ahead of the iPhone thirteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Web Bush saying it's seeing strong demand trends and estimates

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<v Speaker 1>two forty million of the one billion total I phone

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<v Speaker 1>users haven't upgraded their phones in nearly four years. Apple

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<v Speaker 1>shares popping on the news the most since coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>Micron breaking ground on a new fab in Idaho. CEO

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<v Speaker 1>San j me Rotra with us next. Welcome back to

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Technology. I'm Emily Chang in San Francisco. Trevor Milton,

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<v Speaker 1>the founder and former executive chair of Nicola, went on

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<v Speaker 1>trial starting this week, charged with Lyne about the company's

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<v Speaker 1>products to mislead investors and prop at the stock Let's

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<v Speaker 1>get back to New York and Bloomberg's at Ludlow, who

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<v Speaker 1>was in court today for the first stages. Ed what happened? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>So Trevor Milton faces two counts of securities fraud, two

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<v Speaker 1>counts of y fraud, and you're right, m that prosecutors

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<v Speaker 1>have to prove that a Trevor Milton lied about the

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<v Speaker 1>company's technology and its products, and that in so doing

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<v Speaker 1>he misled investors and also therefore the investors made the

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<v Speaker 1>choice to invest in his company, Nicola, based on the information.

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<v Speaker 1>He arrived Monday morning Southern Districts of New York here

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<v Speaker 1>in Manhattan for the trial, which was supposed to take

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<v Speaker 1>place in July, but Judge Egardo Ramos granted the delay

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<v Speaker 1>until September twelve, Monday, so that they could take on

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<v Speaker 1>that fourth count of wire fraud. It's a five week trial,

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<v Speaker 1>so we started Monday with jury selection. Tuesday, we expect

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<v Speaker 1>opening arguments, with the prosecution having around three weeks present

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<v Speaker 1>their evidence, and then the defense will come in and

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<v Speaker 1>the burn of proof is on the prosecution here. This

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<v Speaker 1>trial could run for around five weeks through the end

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<v Speaker 1>of October, and as they say, the focus for the

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<v Speaker 1>prosecution is convincing the jury that a Trevor Milton lied,

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<v Speaker 1>misled investors. About the company's progress, it's technology, what it

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<v Speaker 1>had actually achieved, but also the investors, retail investors in

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<v Speaker 1>particular were moved or motivated to invest in the stock

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<v Speaker 1>for that reason. You remember it. It's Pete. This was

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<v Speaker 1>the poster child back wave of ev companies went public,

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<v Speaker 1>virus back, and at one point it had a market

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<v Speaker 1>cap rating them forward, things are very different now and

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Ad Ludlow, thank you. Will continue to wait

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<v Speaker 1>for your updates as the child progresses. Meantime, Micron just

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<v Speaker 1>broke ground on a new memory manufacturing fab in Boise, Idaho,

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<v Speaker 1>the first of its kind in the US in twenty years.

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<v Speaker 1>The chip maker plans to invest roughly fifteen billion dollars

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<v Speaker 1>on the plan over the next several years, making it

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<v Speaker 1>the largest private investment ever made in the state. I

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<v Speaker 1>caught up with Micron CEO Sandre ma Rotra in an

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<v Speaker 1>exclusive interview earlier. Take a listen to what he had

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<v Speaker 1>to say. We have been are research and development technology

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<v Speaker 1>leader from Boise for decades and now being able to

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<v Speaker 1>combine it with leading edge memory manufacturing technology. This will

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<v Speaker 1>just accelerate time to market of new technologies, new solutions

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<v Speaker 1>for the benefit of the customers as well as of

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<v Speaker 1>course driving US leadership and semiconductor technology. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>a big day. This is a big announcement. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is enabled by Chips Act, which was just signed by

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<v Speaker 1>President by it in a month ago, because that is

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<v Speaker 1>really important in terms of leveling the playing field. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is very exciting. It will bring seventeen thou jobs

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<v Speaker 1>here in Idaho over the course of the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the decade. We will be starting production sometime in TWI

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<v Speaker 1>of course, construction to start some time in twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>and this will be transformative and we'll be bringing on

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<v Speaker 1>production of course in line with the industry's demand. Now

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<v Speaker 1>Micron of course already has many plants across Asia. How

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<v Speaker 1>does this impact operations globally? Does this mean you'll always

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<v Speaker 1>consider building in the US? First, of course, we have,

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<v Speaker 1>as you noted, well diversified footprint across Asia for our manufacturing.

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<v Speaker 1>And again chip SACKED now enables the leveling the playing

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<v Speaker 1>field whereby now the production can become cost effective with

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<v Speaker 1>the support of grants from Chips and investment tax credits.

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<v Speaker 1>So of course we will continue to invest in our

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<v Speaker 1>plans in Asia as well. But when we look at

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<v Speaker 1>the demand for memory. By twenty thirty timeframe, semiconductor memory

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<v Speaker 1>demand is expected to double in terms of revenue opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>That requires new way for capacity. That's why we started

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<v Speaker 1>this plant here, announced this plant here, and actually had

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<v Speaker 1>the ceremony that launches the construction for this plant. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And this will basically enable us. This will basically enable

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<v Speaker 1>us to meet the growing demand for the era for

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<v Speaker 1>semi conductive memory technology. Of course, we'll keep investing in

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<v Speaker 1>technology transitions in our overseas plans as well. Is the

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<v Speaker 1>money that's been set aside by the US government enough

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<v Speaker 1>others have called it a start. That's right, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>good start. And the support in terms of CHIPS grants

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<v Speaker 1>as well as investment tax credits will help US level

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<v Speaker 1>the playing field with foreign governments which have been supporting

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<v Speaker 1>investments in semiconductors in their countries for a very long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, companies like Micron will continue to invest from

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<v Speaker 1>their operating cash flow as well as from the balance sheet,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course big part of the investments will come

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<v Speaker 1>from Micron, but the CHIPS grants are absolutely essential. Without chips,

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<v Speaker 1>we would not have been able to make this investment.

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<v Speaker 1>This announcement today, Do you have any concern and that

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<v Speaker 1>it's governments and not market forces setting the agenda for

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<v Speaker 1>what is needed and that that could down the line

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<v Speaker 1>create excess capacity. It is extremely important as and as

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<v Speaker 1>I noted earlier, that we will be bringing on production

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<v Speaker 1>in the future in line with the industry demand projections,

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<v Speaker 1>the end market demand projections, and of course each of

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<v Speaker 1>the companies that is bringing their own semiconductor production up

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<v Speaker 1>will be managing, should be managing, and I can speak

0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:34.480
<v Speaker 1>for Micron, we will of course be managing with discipline

0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:38.880
<v Speaker 1>our supply growth, keeping an eye on demand growth and

0:26:38.960 --> 0:26:43.600
<v Speaker 1>keeping them balanced to the best of our abilities. Now,

0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:46.800
<v Speaker 1>you and Micron warned about slowing demand about a month ago,

0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:51.679
<v Speaker 1>which triggered a broader concern about a slump across the

0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:55.480
<v Speaker 1>chip industry overall, What can you tell us about demand

0:26:55.960 --> 0:26:59.119
<v Speaker 1>as you see it now? Is it indeed slowing down?

0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:03.920
<v Speaker 1>And if so, how much this is for the memory industry,

0:27:04.200 --> 0:27:07.120
<v Speaker 1>for the semi conductive memory industry. This is a challenging

0:27:07.240 --> 0:27:12.520
<v Speaker 1>environment primarily driven by inventory adjustments that our customers across

0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:16.879
<v Speaker 1>various end markets are making, and that's really impacting the

0:27:16.920 --> 0:27:20.399
<v Speaker 1>industry demand and supply balance. Of course, we have taken

0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:24.119
<v Speaker 1>actions in this regard in terms of adjusting our supply

0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:28.000
<v Speaker 1>growth plans for the future. But you know um Emily

0:27:28.119 --> 0:27:31.639
<v Speaker 1>very well that in semiconductors actions taken it takes a

0:27:31.640 --> 0:27:34.560
<v Speaker 1>while before the results are achieved. So it will take

0:27:34.760 --> 0:27:38.280
<v Speaker 1>us few quarters before I believe industry demand and supply

0:27:38.359 --> 0:27:42.480
<v Speaker 1>and balance will be restored. But what's important here is

0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:46.439
<v Speaker 1>what we're announcing today is about the long term future.

0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:52.160
<v Speaker 1>The demand drivers for long terms AI five G, autonomous

0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:56.840
<v Speaker 1>and of course across data center, industrial automotive. Those demand

0:27:56.960 --> 0:28:00.600
<v Speaker 1>drivers in terms of consumption of memory requirements for the

0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:03.879
<v Speaker 1>long term or intact and that's why to meet that

0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:07.840
<v Speaker 1>growing demand requirement of the future, investments need to be

0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:11.760
<v Speaker 1>made now because there's a long lead time to build

0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:15.359
<v Speaker 1>these fabs and the production will only start in the

0:28:15.440 --> 0:28:18.200
<v Speaker 1>second half of this decade and it will of course

0:28:18.200 --> 0:28:21.679
<v Speaker 1>be managed in line with the demand projections for the future.

0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:25.840
<v Speaker 1>So clearly a huge step for Micron breaking ground on

0:28:25.880 --> 0:28:28.520
<v Speaker 1>this fab today. I'm curious what you think this means

0:28:28.520 --> 0:28:32.400
<v Speaker 1>for the broader industry though, if demand is slowing or

0:28:32.440 --> 0:28:35.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, at least for a few quarters, as you say,

0:28:35.119 --> 0:28:36.720
<v Speaker 1>how long do you think we could be in a

0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:40.680
<v Speaker 1>cycle of oversupply, you know, not just where Micron is concerned,

0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:45.200
<v Speaker 1>but across the broader chip industry. So look in mentory

0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:48.480
<v Speaker 1>adjustments take a while to work through the system, and

0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:51.640
<v Speaker 1>I can tell you that memory industry tends to be cyclical.

0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:54.880
<v Speaker 1>But what's important is that the health of the memory

0:28:54.960 --> 0:28:59.000
<v Speaker 1>industry is really ultimately driven by long term demand trends.

0:28:59.040 --> 0:29:03.600
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's important that as near near term

0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:08.200
<v Speaker 1>perturbations take place due to factors such as inventory adjustments,

0:29:08.360 --> 0:29:12.760
<v Speaker 1>actions are taken fast to bring demand and supply in balance.

0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:15.080
<v Speaker 1>But of course it takes a while, it takes a

0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:17.920
<v Speaker 1>few quarters for their demand supply to get im balance.

0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:21.560
<v Speaker 1>But important thing is that actions that are taken fast.

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:24.560
<v Speaker 1>We are being responsive in that regard, but we are

0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:28.160
<v Speaker 1>also managing for the long haul, the lo the long

0:29:28.200 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 1>haul in terms of the growing demand needing more investments

0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:35.360
<v Speaker 1>in order to meet the requirements of our customers. As

0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:37.840
<v Speaker 1>we look ahead to the second half of this decade,

0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:41.160
<v Speaker 1>there's of course been a lot of talk about the

0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:43.720
<v Speaker 1>competition between the US and China on this front. Just

0:29:43.800 --> 0:29:46.920
<v Speaker 1>how big is China in the memory market in particular,

0:29:46.960 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 1>and is it's something that the US government should be

0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:54.400
<v Speaker 1>concerned about. So there are Chinese companies with the support

0:29:54.440 --> 0:29:57.040
<v Speaker 1>of the Chinese government, you know, that have been making

0:29:57.080 --> 0:30:00.000
<v Speaker 1>certain progress with respect to the memory and of course

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:03.000
<v Speaker 1>you know these are taken into account when we look

0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:07.760
<v Speaker 1>at overall industry supply and the industry supply growth, expectations

0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:10.640
<v Speaker 1>of the future, and what we are here doing at

0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:14.560
<v Speaker 1>Micron is continuing to stay ahead in terms of the

0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:18.600
<v Speaker 1>technology capability. Of course, we always want a level playing

0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:21.960
<v Speaker 1>field and of course respect for intellectual property, but we

0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:26.560
<v Speaker 1>have to continue to drive our own technology roadmap. Today

0:30:26.640 --> 0:30:31.680
<v Speaker 1>Emily Micron is a leader global leader in semiconductor deram

0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:36.000
<v Speaker 1>as well as nand technology. And this is where right

0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:39.360
<v Speaker 1>from here in Boise the teams that have produced tremendous

0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:42.000
<v Speaker 1>amount of innovation that in the future we'll be able

0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:45.680
<v Speaker 1>to combine with bringing into manufacturing right here as well.

0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:50.280
<v Speaker 1>These are all chips ACKed enabled activities that actually ultimately

0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:53.760
<v Speaker 1>help secure the national security of the U S as

0:30:53.800 --> 0:31:00.479
<v Speaker 1>well by having manufacturing of critical um infrastructure needs chips

0:31:00.520 --> 0:31:03.520
<v Speaker 1>being made here in the future in the semi inducted industry,

0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:21.640
<v Speaker 1>M MICR and CEO Sandrea. There we still have some

0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:24.120
<v Speaker 1>work to do I know security being a big, big

0:31:24.120 --> 0:31:26.240
<v Speaker 1>part of that, and you're seeing some of the cybersecurity

0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:30.520
<v Speaker 1>UM investment investing going way up. But um in the

0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:33.440
<v Speaker 1>grand scheme and you look at the thesis of the

0:31:33.480 --> 0:31:36.120
<v Speaker 1>blockchain and the teas the house should work. UM, it

0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:41.040
<v Speaker 1>definitely gives athlete opportunity to go directly to this fan base,

0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:44.040
<v Speaker 1>that gives the fan, uh you know, insights. That's a

0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:46.440
<v Speaker 1>lot different and it's essentially cutting out the middle man.

0:31:48.520 --> 0:31:52.680
<v Speaker 1>That was NBA champion and investor andre Iguadala speaking about

0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:55.600
<v Speaker 1>the intersection of sports and n f t S. Let's

0:31:55.640 --> 0:31:58.320
<v Speaker 1>dive deeper into this conversation in our Crypto report. Now

0:31:58.320 --> 0:32:01.400
<v Speaker 1>with fantasy sports and blockchain Cup so Rare, which is

0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:05.320
<v Speaker 1>backed by, among others, tennis great Serena Williams. The company

0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:07.800
<v Speaker 1>has already inked partnerships with Major League Soccer in Major

0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:10.240
<v Speaker 1>League Baseball and is now adding the NBA with the

0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:13.880
<v Speaker 1>first free to play fantasy game based on digital cards.

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:16.960
<v Speaker 1>So we're CEO O Ryan Spoon joins us now for

0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:19.200
<v Speaker 1>more on this deal. So talk to us Ryan about

0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:24.480
<v Speaker 1>how this partnership with the NBA came together. First, Thanks

0:32:24.480 --> 0:32:27.560
<v Speaker 1>for having me. Um it came together. It's it's just

0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:30.440
<v Speaker 1>a very natural evolution. You heard Andre talk there about

0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:35.360
<v Speaker 1>the importance of the opportunities that blockchain enables. We all

0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:40.440
<v Speaker 1>know I spent years at ESPN on the digital side, um,

0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:45.040
<v Speaker 1>how important and fun uh And how fast growing fantasy is.

0:32:46.000 --> 0:32:48.400
<v Speaker 1>We know that on the collectible side, and so when

0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:53.160
<v Speaker 1>you tie fantasy and collectibles with the blockchain on a

0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:57.400
<v Speaker 1>global scale, the NBA is a perfect perfect product and partner.

0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:00.680
<v Speaker 1>Uh And it's our third launch. As you mentioned, we

0:33:00.720 --> 0:33:04.880
<v Speaker 1>have a big global soccer, global football game and community

0:33:05.120 --> 0:33:08.320
<v Speaker 1>that's been very successful. A couple of months ago we

0:33:08.440 --> 0:33:12.880
<v Speaker 1>announced and then launched our MLB partnership and so were MLB.

0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:15.360
<v Speaker 1>And we're super excited to be doing this with the

0:33:15.480 --> 0:33:19.240
<v Speaker 1>NBA right up around the U the upcoming season launch.

0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:24.040
<v Speaker 1>This puts you in competition with NBA. Top shot, how

0:33:24.040 --> 0:33:29.120
<v Speaker 1>do your platform stuck up? So we are very specifically

0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:32.920
<v Speaker 1>focused on n f T based games. Uh So, players

0:33:33.320 --> 0:33:36.920
<v Speaker 1>collect their cards you come in uh and everyone. Once

0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:39.560
<v Speaker 1>you register, you get a free set of cards, and

0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:41.760
<v Speaker 1>with those cards you play the game, and the game

0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:45.360
<v Speaker 1>you're managing the cards. Uh So like a fantasy draft,

0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:48.640
<v Speaker 1>but instead of ESPN, who I know and love and

0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:52.440
<v Speaker 1>spent time this weekend doing my my fantasy drafts. Here,

0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:58.240
<v Speaker 1>the player has the agency to pick and manage his

0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:01.440
<v Speaker 1>or her roster. As you do that, you end up

0:34:01.760 --> 0:34:06.520
<v Speaker 1>collecting cards as rewards. That's very different. I've admiration for

0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Top Shot, I've admiration uh, and I'm a user of

0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:12.319
<v Speaker 1>a lot of other platforms. But in our space, the

0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:16.520
<v Speaker 1>fantasy based games, we are the leader, and these relationships

0:34:16.520 --> 0:34:19.560
<v Speaker 1>are also um. You know, this is the lane that

0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 1>we are exclusively focused on, and we think we have

0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:28.920
<v Speaker 1>demonstrated real leadership in now you've launched soccer and baseball

0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:32.600
<v Speaker 1>n f T projects previously, No surprise, Aaron Judge and

0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:36.239
<v Speaker 1>showhir Tani are the most used cards. What kind of

0:34:36.280 --> 0:34:42.080
<v Speaker 1>traction have you seen so soccer. Soccer has obviously a

0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:46.799
<v Speaker 1>larger runway. It is very uh successful, It's very large

0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:50.319
<v Speaker 1>community behind it. Obviously it's a global game. Uh. The

0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:53.320
<v Speaker 1>user based on our side is global. The traction is global,

0:34:53.520 --> 0:34:56.839
<v Speaker 1>and when I say geographically diverse, it really is from

0:34:56.880 --> 0:35:00.319
<v Speaker 1>all segments of the world. We closed last year, still

0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:03.360
<v Speaker 1>believe we're in early days. We closed last year doing

0:35:03.760 --> 0:35:09.520
<v Speaker 1>three million in card sales on the platform. We exceeded

0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:12.040
<v Speaker 1>that in the first two quarters of the year, and

0:35:12.080 --> 0:35:15.239
<v Speaker 1>now you begin to UH to introduce MLB. We did

0:35:15.280 --> 0:35:18.560
<v Speaker 1>that end of July. The traction there has been really

0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:24.520
<v Speaker 1>positive and encouraging. UM also a global footprint, which we

0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:27.600
<v Speaker 1>think is important. Baseball is a really excellent product here,

0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:32.000
<v Speaker 1>UM and sport because of the stats based nature, the movement,

0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:36.040
<v Speaker 1>the surprise and NBA is going to be fantastic. We

0:35:36.120 --> 0:35:39.239
<v Speaker 1>all know UM how important the stars are and the

0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:41.400
<v Speaker 1>players and for what it's you know, it's worth noting

0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:44.560
<v Speaker 1>our deal on the NBA side is with both the

0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:46.960
<v Speaker 1>NBA and the n B a p A UM, so

0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:51.680
<v Speaker 1>these are licensed UH, player driven cards UM. And I

0:35:51.719 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 1>also think it's worth noting that MLB's biggest day on

0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:59.360
<v Speaker 1>the platform was when we announced NBA last week, and

0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:02.560
<v Speaker 1>so that's a really important example of how we think

0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:05.560
<v Speaker 1>all these sports can fit together, how the global nature

0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:09.280
<v Speaker 1>of these games hopefully works together. UH. In this concept

0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:12.040
<v Speaker 1>of being able to collect a j Hoannice card or

0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:15.040
<v Speaker 1>a Mike Trout or a killing and Bope and do

0:36:15.160 --> 0:36:18.760
<v Speaker 1>that across the entire platform, that's a really big exciting idea.

0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:23.800
<v Speaker 1>All right, good stuff. Bryan Spoon, CEO so rare. Well,

0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:27.000
<v Speaker 1>andre iguadala is excited about it. That, um, you should

0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:39.320
<v Speaker 1>get some folks excited. Thanks Ryan so much. Blue Origin

0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:42.719
<v Speaker 1>aboarded a launch of its suborbital New Shepherd rocket moments

0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:46.920
<v Speaker 1>after takeoff. This happened in West Texas, and it is

0:36:46.960 --> 0:36:50.880
<v Speaker 1>the first major failure for Jeff Bezos company in several

0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:54.239
<v Speaker 1>years Bloomberg. Lauren Grash joins US now from Austin with

0:36:54.640 --> 0:36:58.799
<v Speaker 1>more details. So, Lauren, what happened, Well, we actually don't

0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:01.120
<v Speaker 1>have a lot of detail is at the moment. Basically

0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:04.000
<v Speaker 1>all we know is what we saw on the live

0:37:04.040 --> 0:37:07.920
<v Speaker 1>stream of the the launch today. This was a pretty

0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:13.320
<v Speaker 1>regular routine launched for Blue Origin. They were launching research payloads,

0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:16.000
<v Speaker 1>many of which were funded by NASA. No people were

0:37:16.040 --> 0:37:18.600
<v Speaker 1>on board, thankfully, but it was meant to be a

0:37:18.600 --> 0:37:21.600
<v Speaker 1>pretty regular launch for them, sending these payloads to space

0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:24.880
<v Speaker 1>and back. And then sometime a little after a minute

0:37:24.920 --> 0:37:28.000
<v Speaker 1>into the launch, something seems to go wrong with the

0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:33.000
<v Speaker 1>engine and it triggered the aboard escape system for the capsule.

0:37:35.360 --> 0:37:40.160
<v Speaker 1>How significant is a failure like this in what would

0:37:40.160 --> 0:37:44.560
<v Speaker 1>have been a pretty routine launch. I think Blue Origine

0:37:44.600 --> 0:37:48.080
<v Speaker 1>got really lucky today because there was no people on board.

0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:50.319
<v Speaker 1>I they have a pretty good track record when it

0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:53.360
<v Speaker 1>comes to their their flights. They only really suff suffered

0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:58.080
<v Speaker 1>one partial failure really early in their testing regime. So

0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:01.480
<v Speaker 1>this is the first time pretty much all of New

0:38:01.520 --> 0:38:04.359
<v Speaker 1>Shepherd's history that they've had a major failure like this.

0:38:04.480 --> 0:38:06.840
<v Speaker 1>So I think it's it's probably going to be a

0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:11.920
<v Speaker 1>while before we see New Shepherd fly again. So what

0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:16.200
<v Speaker 1>is next here? Um, you know, when something like this happens,

0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:19.440
<v Speaker 1>a significant failure like this, do you go back to

0:38:19.560 --> 0:38:23.600
<v Speaker 1>the drawing board? You know, can years pass potentially as

0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:27.680
<v Speaker 1>we've seen with NASA before, someone else before they try

0:38:27.719 --> 0:38:31.400
<v Speaker 1>to attempt this once again. Yeah, it really depends on

0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:33.719
<v Speaker 1>the source of the failure. The f A already said

0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:36.040
<v Speaker 1>today that they're going to be looking into this. Uh.

0:38:36.160 --> 0:38:39.239
<v Speaker 1>Fortunately no one was hurt today and the booster that

0:38:39.280 --> 0:38:42.839
<v Speaker 1>you saw break away from that capsule, uh fell into

0:38:42.920 --> 0:38:46.800
<v Speaker 1>a hazard a designated hazard zone, so ultimately everyone is safe.

0:38:46.840 --> 0:38:48.680
<v Speaker 1>But yes, the f A said they will look into

0:38:48.719 --> 0:38:51.560
<v Speaker 1>it and New Shepherd won't fly again until they get

0:38:51.600 --> 0:38:54.520
<v Speaker 1>to the root of the problem. And it really, like

0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:56.799
<v Speaker 1>I said, it depends on what the source of the

0:38:56.840 --> 0:38:59.560
<v Speaker 1>issue is. You know, with these commercial companies. They can

0:38:59.560 --> 0:39:01.640
<v Speaker 1>be a little a bit more nimble when it comes

0:39:01.680 --> 0:39:04.879
<v Speaker 1>to return to flight. We've seen SpaceX return of flight

0:39:04.960 --> 0:39:08.279
<v Speaker 1>pretty quickly after um some anomalies in the past, and

0:39:08.320 --> 0:39:11.040
<v Speaker 1>so maybe it could be similar from Blue Origin. We

0:39:11.080 --> 0:39:12.799
<v Speaker 1>just can't say for sure because we really don't know

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:16.880
<v Speaker 1>what what cost it. Can you put this into the

0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:21.120
<v Speaker 1>context of Blue Origins broader ambitions of course, you know,

0:39:21.280 --> 0:39:23.680
<v Speaker 1>I was there the day Jeff Bezos went into space.

0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:29.279
<v Speaker 1>They have sent other folks up there, celebrities, Uh up

0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:31.640
<v Speaker 1>up there, you know, talk to us about how this

0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:35.080
<v Speaker 1>fits into the broader end, longer term plans. You know.

0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Of course he's talked about this space colony and more. Well,

0:39:39.800 --> 0:39:42.600
<v Speaker 1>I think it might be tad worrying for folks who

0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:45.600
<v Speaker 1>might have a ticket to fly with Blue Origin. You know,

0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:51.160
<v Speaker 1>this this was a rocket specifically geared toward launching payloads,

0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:54.000
<v Speaker 1>but it is essentially the same rocket that they used

0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:56.600
<v Speaker 1>to send people to the edge of space and back. However,

0:39:56.680 --> 0:39:58.640
<v Speaker 1>some comfort can be had and the fact that it

0:39:59.000 --> 0:40:02.239
<v Speaker 1>kind of worked asn't tended this an in flight aboard system.

0:40:02.280 --> 0:40:05.720
<v Speaker 1>Basically what you saw is as soon as the system

0:40:05.719 --> 0:40:08.840
<v Speaker 1>detected there was a problem with the rocket motors fired

0:40:08.840 --> 0:40:11.840
<v Speaker 1>on the bottom of the capsule and immediately separated the

0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:15.440
<v Speaker 1>capsule from the rocket, and that landed safely in the desert.

0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:19.080
<v Speaker 1>So presumably if there had been people on board, they

0:40:19.120 --> 0:40:21.520
<v Speaker 1>would have been just fine and would have landed safely.

0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:24.600
<v Speaker 1>Can't say for sure, and thankfully there weren't any people

0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:27.319
<v Speaker 1>on board. Um, but the system did seem to work

0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:29.719
<v Speaker 1>as designed, so there is some comfort in that. But

0:40:30.200 --> 0:40:32.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, I might, I'm if I had a ticket,

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<v Speaker 1>I might, yeah, be a little nervous in the future.

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