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Speaker 1: up down, Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces?

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Speaker 1: All that was nasty, right there? Rights the latest news

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Speaker 1: and notes from the guys who cover the teams. Rilled

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Speaker 1: by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on, Bring

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Speaker 1: it on. Slam the ground by foot of Baker like

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Speaker 1: a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I scared

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Speaker 1: and nobody. Here's Paul calvic So. Last week we at

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Speaker 1: Darren Say, which went something along the lines of you

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Speaker 1: should always be interested in being interested about that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was a good one. This week there's another saying,

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Speaker 1: and hopefully it's not applicable to this edition A Cardinals

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Speaker 1: let you guys be the judge of that. Darren Urban

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Speaker 1: Felipe A Corral Junior years Truly poly podcast slash pencil neck.

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Speaker 1: What's that old saying about if you get to the

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Speaker 1: weather in a conversation, either a you've run out of

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Speaker 1: anything to talk about, or maybe you had nothing to

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Speaker 1: talk about if from the beginning. So if you start

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Speaker 1: a conversation here at a cocktail party and you're talking

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Speaker 1: about the weather, guess what. That's a short lived conversation.

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Speaker 1: It really doesn't have anywhere to go, and you might

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Speaker 1: So I bring that up because I was not aware, Phelipe,

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Speaker 1: that the Cardinals have a six and old record right

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Speaker 1: now in their last six games played in games with

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Speaker 1: temperatures below forty degrees. I had no idea I heard

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Speaker 1: that one. I was a little surprised about that myself.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I resemble that remark. I've been there on

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals being unbeaten in the last six games forty

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Speaker 1: degrees or last. Do we know what the pre Chicago

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Speaker 1: games were, well, what was one of them? Sat the

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Speaker 1: golden rule you've already violated off the top of cardinal

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Speaker 1: starting ground. Never asked me a question within which I

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Speaker 1: don't have the answer. No, I thought that was if

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Speaker 1: we're talking about cliches. Isn't that like a lawyer thing?

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Speaker 1: Never asked your question on the sand that you don't

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Speaker 1: know they already know the answer to, right, Yes, So

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Speaker 1: I just I just reverse engineer that got it when

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Speaker 1: I'm on the So you're making it my fault, exactly,

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Speaker 1: I got it when technically I should have brought it

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Speaker 1: say one thing real quick? I actually spent that game

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Speaker 1: thinking about Paul No no, because the entire podcast last

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Speaker 1: week that hashtag no lambo cap being mentioned. So then

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Speaker 1: what else was I saying? By the way, no freezing rain?

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Speaker 1: And I failed an epic fail on that one because

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Speaker 1: that's all we got was freezing rain. So then talking

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Speaker 1: to all of our video videographers, the producers, you guys

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Speaker 1: seeing Paul with in the postgame interview with cam Cox

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Speaker 1: back to that hashtag no Lambo because you know, keeping

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Speaker 1: I don't want a scenario where you're in Lambo in

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Speaker 1: January under the same circumstance. But but here's the deal,

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Speaker 1: Philippe Paul just said on the air. We have it recorded,

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Speaker 1: like a good court reporter that Paul says it would

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Speaker 1: be good if they played in Lambeau because they went

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Speaker 1: all those people. I'm pretty sure I never I might

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Speaker 1: a it's a leading question. Is what that is? You

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Speaker 1: Cardinals basically are driving the local economy by giving out

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Speaker 1: At this point, I mean, my goodness, you know, well

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Speaker 1: balls here, Paul. But the winning comes at a cost.

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Speaker 1: I mean, ask Mike helm who never gets to sleep

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Speaker 1: No bourbon for Mike Helm. I'm more interested in learning

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Speaker 1: You know, like, how does that strong? Fairly new four

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Speaker 1: an idea to let our listeners know. Is he outsourcing

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Speaker 1: because like Zach Allen, kept the actual football within which

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Speaker 1: saw it, right, Rock the baby did that to the crowd.

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Speaker 1: So everybody makes a big play, keeps the actual football

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Speaker 1: they're awarded after the game. So how does that go

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Speaker 1: Where's the pecking order which one takes, you know, it

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Speaker 1: takes pre eminence up there on the shelf. That's a

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Speaker 1: good question in the office. You're assuming that's a shelf.

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Speaker 1: I remember talking to Josh McCown about a year ago

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Speaker 1: pass Yes trophy cases. Uh no, he was, like I said,

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Speaker 1: If you were willing to pay a little bit of money, Paul,

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Speaker 1: a challenge, correct, I mean, honestly, guys, the latest challenge

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Speaker 1: it to you, Felipe, when the Cardinals get to Monday

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Speaker 1: he is number one in the NFL on both passer

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Speaker 1: rating and completion percentage. Think about that. How many rushing

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Speaker 1: touchdowns does he have now? And is that number one

430
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Speaker 1: rushing touchdowns to look for quarterbacks or does Lamar Jackson

431
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Speaker 1: still have him beat maybe a Josh Allen I would

432
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Speaker 1: actually have to look that up. Although our good friend, uh,

433
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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray just tweeted some of the things that Kyler

434
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Speaker 1: leads the league in touchdowns wasn't one of them, but

435
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 1: he's in a lot and a lot of these analytical things. Kyle,

436
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 1: Kyle Odegard, I think you said Kyler Murray. See see

437
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 1: Odegard likes we called Kyler Murray. From the conversations I've had,

438
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 1: he likes that comparison, you know, in typical Kyle Odegar fashion. Yeah,

439
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:25,160
Speaker 1: here's the number that I like though from Sunday, eleven

440
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 1: completions to eight different receivers. Are you kidding me? Now?

441
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 1: Is that a matter of them getting in a lead

442
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,879
Speaker 1: and trying to keep everyone happy and get everybody in

443
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 1: the box score? Maybe? Well, bet maybe. As Cliff Kingsbury

444
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,439
Speaker 1: joked after the game, he said, yeah, we had a

445
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 1: lot of angry wide outs in there because we only

446
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,639
Speaker 1: threw at fifteen times and completed eleven passes, but eight

447
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,439
Speaker 1: different receivers among the and think about it. When he

448
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 1: was asked, how did you end up on fourth and

449
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 1: two at your own twenty on the first drive of

450
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Speaker 1: the game, going for it all to DeAndre Hopkins, who's

451
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Speaker 1: response was, my read took me there. To me, That's

452
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: the difference in Kyler Murray year three is that he

453
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,120
Speaker 1: is just organically playing the game and letting it come

454
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Speaker 1: to him going through those reads. That's the difference this

455
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: year than it was last year. That he is getting

456
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: to his third and fourth read. He's able to decipher

457
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,719
Speaker 1: and diagnose a defense pre snap, post snap, get rid

458
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: of the ball, and he really truly is lethal from

459
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 1: the pocket first, and the legs are the luxury that

460
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 1: he's always talked about. It's interesting. I don't mean to

461
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 1: derail this part of it, but here we go. This

462
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Speaker 1: is this is a moment I disagree. Here it comes.

463
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Speaker 1: I feel I disagree. It's just that he did say

464
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: his read took him there, but he also said I

465
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 1: had another guy wide open for the first down. I

466
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: could have gone there, but I decided to go to

467
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Speaker 1: DeAndre because I trust the trust. It was James Connor

468
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 1: underneath on like a rub route explained it. Yeah, we

469
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 1: chalked that one up. Yeah, so you're right, absolutely there

470
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Speaker 1: was a safety valve there for the first well not

471
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Speaker 1: necessarily the first oh yeah, first down it was Kyler

472
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Speaker 1: said it was. It was fourth and two. Yes, there was, yes,

473
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Speaker 1: So you know, look, I think I think there was

474
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Speaker 1: a lot. Was it risky that early? Did they know

475
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,239
Speaker 1: they were gonna But I mean, do you do that

476
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Speaker 1: if you're playing the Rams? I mean, Kyler probably still

477
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 1: doesn't play in the Rams, But there was a part

478
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: of me that's like, go for it, take a shot

479
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: at your receiver. Get DeAndre Hopkins involved early. We have

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Speaker 1: some leeway being this much better than the Bears. I

481
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Speaker 1: know you're not supposed to say that, but I wondered

482
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Speaker 1: about that a little bit. I have this theory that

483
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Speaker 1: you know, with the return of Kyler and DeAndre Hopkins,

484
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't Kingsbury's first option to go to Dehab,

485
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Speaker 1: but in their heads, this is my theory. Obviously, they

486
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Speaker 1: just wanted to reintroduce themselves to everybody, you know, like

487
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 1: jay Z says, allowed me to reintroduce myself. My name

488
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Speaker 1: is oh just kidding Kyler and DeAndre, because it seems

489
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Speaker 1: like people forgot how dangerous they are offensively when those

490
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Speaker 1: two guys are on the field, obviously two of the

491
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Speaker 1: best players at the at their positions, and there's no

492
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Speaker 1: better way to reintroduce yourself than you know, fourth and

493
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Speaker 1: two year about the score, Hey, let me throw this

494
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Speaker 1: you know this face, which, by the way, I just

495
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 1: need to say that I thought it was hilarious that

496
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Speaker 1: it gets wiped out by the official standing right there,

497
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: calls it incomplete. DeAndre argues for a second or two,

498
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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden they're saying on the field,

499
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Speaker 1: the thing is that it is a completion. I thought

500
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 1: that was fine first, So how do you miss it?

501
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: The guy was right there. Number two, DeAndre Hopkins works

502
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Speaker 1: the officials all game. Yeah, I've noticed that. Yeah, So

503
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Speaker 1: I don't know to your point, whether that's a byproduct

504
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Speaker 1: of his relationship with the officials, because it seems to

505
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Speaker 1: be good natured most of it. There are sometimes when yeah,

506
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: he's definitely griping. But I was stupefied. I mean, think

507
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Speaker 1: about it. In fact, I just I just texted one

508
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Speaker 1: of the football gods, and they can they can't say

509
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Speaker 1: they're offended. They're really offended about that fourth and two

510
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Speaker 1: at the twenty when you think of everything that was involved.

511
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: I mean, first off, you had the weather conditions. It's freezing,

512
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Speaker 1: rains sideways, the wind is gusting off Lake Michigan. Right then,

513
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: your QB hasn't played in a month. His top receiver

514
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,959
Speaker 1: has played less over the same span, and it's the

515
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: first drive of the game, it's your second pass attempt

516
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: of the game, and you're going for it all on

517
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: fourth and two on the fifth snap from scrimmage of

518
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Speaker 1: the game. So yeah, the football gods, we can confirm,

519
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: are still indignant over that audacity, right, although I will

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00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: say I think if you looked, that was probably Kyler's

521
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Speaker 1: best throw of the game, and it had to be

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Speaker 1: on the one that had to be the best throw

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Speaker 1: of the game. Was it already raining at that point, yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, I was definitely raining. Forget the football gods.

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Speaker 1: I can confirm it was raining at that point. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: I mean it was. I mean some of the other

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Speaker 1: I mean the James Connor play that was and again

528
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Speaker 1: it was I'm sure it was because of the weather,

529
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Speaker 1: but that was a horrible path. There was another play

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Speaker 1: where he had Christian Kirk open for a first down

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Speaker 1: and I think it was in the second half and

532
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: he just skipped ye ye, yep, no doubt. But here's

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Speaker 1: the thing, and did he miss a few passes? Absolutely well?

534
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 1: The weather condition horrendous. Yes, was there maybe a little

535
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: bit of rust involved. Okay, You're still seeing big plays

536
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: out of Kyler Murray without seeing the big mistakes, and

537
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: guys like Lamar Jackson are still making the big mistakes.

538
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: He's got an MVP trophy in his case, and you

539
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: still see other guys making Matthew Stafford making big mistakes

540
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 1: three straight games with pick sixes. If you want to

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Speaker 1: talk about the rams on deck next, Josh Allen has

542
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: made some big mistakes this year. The elite quarterbacks in

543
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Speaker 1: the NFL. Kyler Murray, no big plays, no big mistakes. Wow,

544
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: that combination against Lethal against the Viking, Nick Vigil the picks.

545
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Speaker 1: But that's such a long time ago, like you, I mean,

546
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: that feels like two years ago by now, and your point,

547
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: he was hell being on not letting that happen again.

548
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: There was the interception against Houston coming out a halftime

549
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: in the third quarter and the wired microphones caught Colt

550
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: McCoy sitting next to Kyla Murray, and Coy was so

551
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: upset with himself, and Colt kept trying to calm him down, saying, look,

552
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: that's immaterial to the game. That play is going to

553
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 1: make no difference in the outcoming at this game translation,

554
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: we're playing the Houston Texans. Okay, he didn't say that

555
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: that's what he meant by that, but you was right absolutely.

556
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: But you could see how adamant Kyla was at that

557
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: point about in his words, and he said, I'm trying

558
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: to play turnover free football, and so look, big plays

559
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: can win you games, but the big mistakes obviously can

560
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: just as easily lose you games. And he's been excelling

561
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: in both categories, I guess, is my point. He think

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Speaker 1: that performance on Sunday, you know, Kata puts him back

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Speaker 1: into the MVP conversation because here, I mean tier point.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned how all the league quarterbacks have made mistakes,

565
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: and you know the Bucks had at one point last

566
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: consecutive games. Obviously, the Bills have been struggling with Josh

567
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: Allen MVP. He was part of the MVP talk. The

568
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: Ravens have been struggling under Lamar Jackson. I feel like

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's aside from Aaron Rodgers, I feel like he

570
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: hasn't had any flaws when it comes to performance. You know,

571
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: obviously you miss three weeks, so you kind of have

572
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: to start fading him out of that conversation. But then

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Speaker 1: he comes back and he puts up a four touchdown performance.

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00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: Now do you put him in that conversation once again?

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Speaker 1: I think he's in the conversation. But personally, I think

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00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: the winner of the MVP is going to be the

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Speaker 1: quarterback of the number one seed, whether it's Aaron Rodgers

578
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: or Tom Brady or Kyler Murray. Now, Kyler might have

579
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: some work to do. I mean, he's not going to

580
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: be able to have a game like he did this

581
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: past weekend, even if they're winning, unless he gets four

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00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: touchdowns every week. The statistically, Tom Brady is just gonna

583
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: I would as soon continue to crush it. I mean, statistically,

584
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: he's blowing up and missing those games that Kyler did,

585
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: I think we'll hurt him. But if they end up

586
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: as the number one seed and Kyler Murray keeps accounting

587
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: four touchdowns a week, either running or passing, he's gonna

588
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard to ignore him. Last check, if

589
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: I heard this right, Vegas still has him top five

590
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: and Betty nods for NFL MVP Kyler Murray, he's fourth

591
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: or fifth behind the guys you just named. So there's that.

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00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: So yes, I would say he's definitely in the conversation.

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00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: I would also surmise that he needs a big game

594
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: on Monday Night Football that would go a long way

595
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: national TV audience, big big game against the Rams, and

596
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: then maybe, oh, I don't know, on Christmas Night when

597
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: you're in primetime again national TV against the Colts. You

598
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: put another big performance out there, and to your point, Darren,

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Speaker 1: they end up with the number one seed. Here's the

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00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: small problem is that when he was out, Colt McCoy

601
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 1: won two games. Yeah, it was very convincing. Yep. What

602
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: we talk about a few weeks ago during Kyler's absence,

603
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: and I likened it to Steve Nash back in the day,

604
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: the last MVP in this town. And when did he

605
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: clinch it, Darren? You know when they went seven when

606
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: he was injured, right, yep, and they looked totally discombobulated

607
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: minus Steve Nash. Well that wasn't Now if every game

608
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: under Cole McCoy would have been the Carolina game that

609
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: actually probably would have helped Kyler Murray's you know, chances

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00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,479
Speaker 1: of being the NFL MVP, despite the fact they wouldn't

611
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Speaker 1: be number one. Yeah, And that's the thing is the

612
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,239
Speaker 1: funny part about that is in football, if they had

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Speaker 1: gone Owen three, it would have helped Kyler Murray in

614
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: that respect, but then the record would have been such

615
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: that he probably had no chance at it. So you know, look,

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Speaker 1: if he does really well in primetime, that's gonna go

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00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: a long way. But once again, it's gonna come down

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Speaker 1: to the Cardinal's success and and Aaron Rodgers and to

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady, And I mean, how do you value those

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00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: guys to those teams? And well, it's going to depend

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Speaker 1: I think in those final standings to a large degree. Well,

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00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: didn't the Packers beat the Chiefs with Aaron Rodgers? Yeah?

623
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: They Jordan Love? Yeah? Did they get to win with

624
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: Jordan Love against the Chiefs? Yeah? I remember the other

625
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: way around lost. Jordan Love only played the one game

626
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: and he lost. Do you guys, now, do you guys

627
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: think that the Packers beating the Cardinals when it comes

628
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: down to it, when it comes down to picking an MVP.

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Speaker 1: Now you're gonna lick into that specific game to decide. Like,

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00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: like I said, if if the Packers end up as

631
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Speaker 1: the number one seed, that's what's going to decide it.

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00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: To me. If if look, Tom Brady stats are ridiculous

633
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: right now, even comparing I mean, he's putting up numbers.

634
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: It's just like jeez them, and you gotta have an

635
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: extra game. I mean, he could end up having I

636
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: don't know if he's not gonna beat his touchdown pass

637
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: record because he had fifty in one year or whatever

638
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Speaker 1: it was. But um, I mean it's gonna be tough

639
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: to beat him statistically. But if the Buccaneers end up

640
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: third like this week is isn't is gonna be? I mean,

641
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: the Bills are really and they desperately need to win.

642
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: Now they have to go to Tampa. But maybe the

643
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: Bills beat Tampa. Who knows what ends up happening. I

644
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: Like I said, I think I think the MVP is

645
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: going to come from the NFC, and I think it's

646
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: going to be the quarterback of the top seed in

647
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: the NFC, whoever that might be. That's my That's what

648
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: I think is going to happen. What if Kylo, though,

649
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: ends up leading the league in completion percentage and passer rating,

650
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: which he's currently doing. What if that stands because last

651
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,719
Speaker 1: time they went against the Rams. I just looked at

652
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: it right here, his numbers Kylo against the Rams Week four,

653
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: when that final score was thirty seven twenty and it

654
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: wasn't even that close. They had a garbage touchdown at

655
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: the end. Kyler twenty four or thirty two for two

656
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: sixty eight two touchdowns note picks. He was sacked three

657
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: times passer rating in one twenty point three. He also

658
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: ran at six times or thirty nine yards, including the

659
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: play that took the air out of the stadium. Third

660
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: and sixteen he went eighteen yards. Yeah, and there was

661
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: just one huge collective groan from so far. I mean again,

662
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: I think that if he has a big game this

663
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: week and he continues to put up numbers, that's going

664
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: to keep him in the conversation. But I'm also assuming

665
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: that if one of those other teams ends up as

666
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: the number one seed, that means their quarterbacks are also

667
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: putting out numbers. Then again, the Cardinals ran forty times

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00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: for two hundred and sixteen yards against the Rams in

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00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: Week four. So this number two run rate percentage isn't

670
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: helping Kyler Murray isn't helping K one when the MVP,

671
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: when they're essentially a glorified run team, it's the run

672
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: rate offense is what it is. I mean, he's been

673
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: a big part of that too, though. I mean a

674
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: big part of why this run game has been functioning

675
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: is and I think we had we saw a clear

676
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: example last week because now you have to respect Kyler

677
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: Murray's run ability. So now there's less attention on guys

678
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: like James Connor and Chase Edmonds. So I feel like

679
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: his ability, that skill set that he has really contributes

680
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: that much to the run game. So now I believe

681
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: Again I'm kind of tooting my own horn right here,

682
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: but I tweeted something along the lines of, and you

683
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: have a guy that can dominate from the pocket, but

684
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 1: then again, he's in a running on you on third

685
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: and sixteen and get a first down on the road

686
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: against the Rams as selfie Stadium. So then now you

687
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: have a guy that has two elite skill sets compared

688
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: to some of those other elite quarterbacks that we've been

689
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: talking about. I know, see, I know Coope McCoy went

690
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: two and one without well, the Cardinals went two and

691
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: one without Kyler Mary. But I mean, you compare the

692
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 1: types of offenses that are on the field with Kyler

693
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: Mary and with Cope McCoy. I mean, they can beat

694
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: you in so many more ways if Kyler Mary's under center,

695
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: including in the run game. So that's why I feel

696
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: like he still should be a favorite, and even if

697
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: even if they're a top two seed, he should be

698
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 1: awarded with that. Well, guess guests who was involved their offense,

699
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: and it's including more run right now, d La Rams.

700
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: They came out and had a three game skilled going

701
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: and they took it to Jacksonville as they should, but

702
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: it looked different everything that you see about what the

703
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: Rams did. They came out in that first possession at

704
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: a jumbo set with an extra offensive lineman. They ran

705
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: it straight ahead a lot more than had done all year.

706
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: They ran Sony Michelle, They benched basically Darryl Henderson, who

707
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: was not good against the Cardinals. Sony Michelle got the

708
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 1: bulk of the carries and was breaking tackles. Hello, beware

709
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: of that if you're the aris on the Cardinals run defense,

710
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: because that is look for ten and two, seven and

711
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: on the road four and O in the division we're

712
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: talking about this, Is there any one area you're concerned about? Yes,

713
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: it's still run defense And did you notice guys Cliff

714
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: Kingsbury said it for the first time on the record

715
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: this week when asked about what do you possibly give

716
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: you concern what do you think you have to clean up?

717
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: And there was the obligatory first answer was well, we

718
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: need to be a little sharper in all areas, and

719
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: then there was the chunk runs on defense we're giving up.

720
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: And that's the first time to my recollection, he actually

721
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: said it on the record officially. It obviously was a

722
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: problem at times in that game with David Montgomery. Sony

723
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: Michelle could be that guy, because apparently Sean McVeigh has

724
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: gone back to that offense they ran with Todd Gurley,

725
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 1: a lot of the play actions, straight ahead run stuff,

726
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: a lot more balanced because until that game against Jacksonville

727
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: the stats said that no one ran more three wide

728
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: receiver sets more than the Rams. I'm well, and some

729
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: of this maybe out of necessity, not just that they're struggling.

730
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: But you can say what you want about Odell Beckham.

731
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: Not having Robert Woods changes a ton for them, and

732
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: they do not change after Robert Wood's injury to their

733
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: own demise, right because Odell Beckham at this point can't

734
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 1: possibly know what he needs to know about the offense.

735
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: He hasn't been there long enough, so you know, I

736
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: think that's part of it, rather than a realization that

737
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: they were doing something wrong and more of like, I

738
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: better adapt to a Robert Woods less roster, but it

739
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: will be I'm curious. I mean, yeah, the Cardinals need

740
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 1: to be a little bit better against the run, There's

741
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: no question about that. But again, if you play from ahead,

742
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough for teams to just sit and

743
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: run the ball all day. I mean, the reason the

744
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: Patriots were able to run the ball the entire game

745
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: against the Bills was it was always super close. The

746
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: Bills have been able to score a couple of touchdowns

747
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: early that you got no chance if you're Bill Belichick,

748
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: and he knew that. But that's why when we talk

749
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: about complimentary football, which is a cliche that I'm not

750
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: a big fan of, I understand it, but I'm not

751
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: a big fan of it. But we talk about complimentary

752
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: football and we talk about this team's run defense ills,

753
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: which it has at times that goes beyond the defense.

754
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: In my opinion, this offense is built to score points.

755
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: If this offense scores points like it's supposed to, yes,

756
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: the defense has to come up with run stops, But

757
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: if it scores the points it's supposed to, then the

758
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: defense is going to be able to perform at its

759
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: most optimum level, which I think right now isn't necessarily

760
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: a smash mouth close game. But knowing the other team

761
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 1: has to chase you a little bit, that's not always

762
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: going to be the case. In the playoffs, Yes, you

763
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: gotta get in the run game, but I would also

764
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: argue that it's not like teams are scoring a ton

765
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: of points. You might be able to move the ball

766
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: on them on the ground, but it's not gonna put

767
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: I mean the Packers ran all over them. Okay, oh yeah,

768
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: And I mean you want broken tackles. AJ Dillon and

769
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones broke a lot of tackles, and the defense

770
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: made the plays to the point where the Cardinals were

771
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: in a position to win the game. And and I

772
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: understand it needs to be better, and I understand the

773
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: vikings missed a field goal at the end, but they

774
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: also couldn't score any touchdowns in the second half of

775
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: that game, and they didn't run the ball as well

776
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: in the second half. And I would just argue that

777
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: when we sit here and talk about a poor running

778
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: game or poor run defense, I think it needs to

779
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,959
Speaker 1: be better. It's not what we would think it would

780
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: be for a Super Bowl champion, necessarily, But we are

781
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: not talking about a a lousy run defense. We're talking

782
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: about one that could be better. But I see it

783
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: as the middle of the pack run defense compared to

784
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: a lot of other defenses. I mean, I don't think

785
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: the Rams have a terrible run defense and the Cardinals

786
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: shoved it down their throats. But if the Cardinals have

787
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: been bottom five and yards per carry allowed all year,

788
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: you still call in the middle of the pack run defense. Well, again,

789
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: I'm putting it. I'm gonna put it in context to

790
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: the rest of it. For me, I don't think you

791
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: can look at it in a vacuum. If they're bottom

792
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: five in yards per carry and teams are able to

793
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: run it thirty five times a game against them, that's

794
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: a problem. Teams can't run it thirty five times against them.

795
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: If they do, they're never gonna catch up. So are

796
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: you saying the offense is bailing out the run defense

797
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: because the offense has taken a lead and is a

798
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: potent scoring offense. I wouldn't see these are forced to pass.

799
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say bailing that. I think that's too strong

800
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: a thing. I do think that it is. It's wed together.

801
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 1: I think the way the Cardinals play defense is partially

802
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: based on how they play offense. Yes, because when I

803
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: see Rashad Penny on the first snap from scrimmage in

804
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: Seattle rip off eighteen yards. I mean, but there's nothing

805
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: to do with this score or the offensive. Okay, but

806
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: here's my argument, Paul. If if it was so easy

807
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: to run against the Cardinals all the time, why do

808
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: teams even bother passing? That's a great question, honestly to me,

809
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: that that is a great question. Honestly, If Bill Belichick

810
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: could put that game plan on Monday Night Football this

811
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 1: week for sale on eBay, I mean, some offensive coordinators

812
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: should grab that game plan and use it against the

813
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. I'm going to argue, and this is it

814
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: is what it is, and we're never going to know

815
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: I'm going to argue the Cardinals defense does not give

816
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: up as many rushing yards against the Patriots as the

817
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: Bills did last night. And you know what, Dan's Joseph's

818
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: response would be that we're not always putting run defenses

819
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: in or more in priority in the game plan. When

820
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: we've needed to stop the run. When we've made that

821
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: the priority, we have stopped the run. I e. The

822
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: second half of Minnesota Vikings and why they went into

823
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: that and because well, because sometimes they identify they trying

824
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,959
Speaker 1: to take away what an offense does best, and so

825
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: they say, you know what, we don't idify the run

826
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,959
Speaker 1: game necessarily is what they do best. We're taking away

827
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,479
Speaker 1: justin Jefferson, we're talking taking away Adam feeling and hence

828
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 1: they ran the ball on us. And more big picture,

829
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: it's not just what a team does the best, it's

830
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 1: what the NFL has built on. The Patriots ran over

831
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: the Bills on Monday night. They threw three passes, they

832
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: scored what fourteen points? Fourteen points? That's it. I guarantee

833
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: you if you told Vance Joseph, the other team's gonna

834
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: run all over you and score fourteen points. Vans is

835
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: like Okay, did my job. I mean, that's the thing.

836
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: I tuned in the second half of that game, by

837
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: the way, and it was a third and seven and

838
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: there were ten guys in the box for Buffalo. Ten

839
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: guys in the box on third and seven, and I

840
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: text Wolf, I'm like, what's going on? Because I heard

841
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: Payton Manning say something like, oh, I can throw out

842
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: all my mac Jones notes he's only thrown one pass tonight. Right,

843
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is going on in this game? Because

844
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: I got in late on it. I feel like when

845
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: it comes to the run defense, one, people are nippicking

846
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: because this team is performing so well that people are

847
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: gonna try to find something to talk about, right. But

848
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: another thing is I look at that Packers game a

849
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: lot because when it comes to the postseason, you're gonna

850
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: run into teams like the Packers. You're gonna run into

851
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: Leonard Fournette. You're gonna run into a j. Dillon and

852
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones again. So I feel like people aren't necessarily

853
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: worried about that right now. But then once you get

854
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: into the postseason and teams get more conservative and they

855
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 1: start running a little bit more and they have more

856
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: time to game plan against your you know, passing offense

857
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: or whatnot. That's where my concern comes in, because you

858
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: know things, people are gonna scale back to the playbooks

859
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: and whatnot, And why would they do that though, I mean,

860
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: I understand if you're the Patriots and mac Jones and

861
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 1: you would do that. The Packers aren't going to scale

862
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: crap back with Aaron Rodgers. The Buccaneers aren't going to

863
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: scale crap back with Tom Brady. And I guarantee you

864
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: if you lose, I guarantee you. If the Cardinals end

865
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: up losing to the Packers or they end up losing

866
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: to the Buccaneers in the playoffs, I'm going to I'm

867
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: willing to wager a large amount of money, which of

868
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: course I would never wager. I would be willing to

869
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: wager a lot of money. It will be because those

870
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: quarterbacks beat them, and it will not be because Leonard

871
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: Fournette or aj Delling. Now, do you need to stop

872
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: those guys to be putting you in better positions so

873
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:30,280
Speaker 1: that the quarterbacks can't pick you apart on third and short. Yeah,

874
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: you do need to do that, But I guarantee you

875
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: they will lose because of those quarterbacks or because they

876
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: turn it over, they will not lose because of the

877
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: run defense. That's just my opinion, but that's in my

878
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: best Kyle order Guard impression. That's where I disagree, because

879
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: then if you focus on stopping teams on first and

880
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: ten or second and longer, whatnot, then now you're running

881
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: into possibilities of third and seven. And if you have,

882
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: regardless of what quarterback you're have in the pocket, and

883
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: they're in third and seven, third and eight situations, I mean,

884
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: I have more confidence in the Cardinals secondary to prevent

885
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: teams from converting on third down. So that's why I

886
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: feel like they have a good five games left in

887
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: the season to fix that run defense, because if you

888
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: stop AJ Dillon, Leonard Furnett and co. Then you have

889
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: a better chance at controlling the the possession of the game.

890
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,240
Speaker 1: I mean, that was the biggest issue with against the Packers.

891
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 1: The Packers, I was going over the stats. The Cardinals

892
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: had the ball for like twenty two minutes compared to

893
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: thirty eight minutes by the Packers. The ball yesterday either

894
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: or Sunday. Well, I mean, what was the difference of that.

895
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: I feel position your defense put you in those positions.

896
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: I understand that, but like the Bears were running the

897
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: ball and then but they're running in the ball losing already,

898
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: I mean the Packer. The difference between that is that

899
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 1: the Packers were running the ball with green turns around.

900
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: Are you still having the same concerns? But then and

901
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: then I ask you, if DeVante Adams is on the field,

902
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: that are we having you know, we having that same conversation. Well,

903
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: you just got through telling me you're not worried about

904
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: the passing game though. That's what I'm saying. I mean,

905
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 1: if you're in third and second situations and Aaron Rodgers

906
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 1: has DeVante Adams, I mean, that's automatic in my position.

907
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: That's why I feel like the emphasis once against it

908
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: gets to the postseason has to be to stop the

909
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: run game first. I mean, well, I guess I find

910
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: myself agreeing with both you guys in that. Okay, I'm

911
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: gonna split the difference here. In that last month, I said,

912
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: there's no doubt I fear Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady

913
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: the most in any potential enough playoffs scenario by far.

914
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: On the other hand, what made Aaron Rodgers really effective

915
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: in that win against the Cardinals in prime time was

916
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: the fact he was facing a lot of third and short, right,

917
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: A lot of those you know aj Dillon and Aaron

918
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: Jones runs set up third and manageable. And even though

919
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 1: he's missing his top three receivers, all of a sudden,

920
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: that short passing game was very effective because it was

921
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: third and short. So it goes hand to Andrew a

922
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: certain degree, no doubt. No, it definitely goes hand to hand.

923
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 1: And I'm not sitting here saying the Cardinals can give

924
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: up two hundred yards rushing and be Okay, I'm not

925
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: saying that, but I haven't really seen that. Let me

926
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: ask you this because I need a transition. I need

927
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,439
Speaker 1: a segue to the two safeties on this team. If

928
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: you didn't have the best pair of safeties in the league,

929
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: here's my segue, would you be giving up two hundred

930
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: yards rushing a game? Honestly, how many times have Buddha

931
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: Baker and Jalen Thompson saved the bacon of the run defense?

932
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: What was the six yard run? Easily could have been

933
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: thirty six yards if not for the two best tackling

934
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: safeties at least tackling tandem in the NFL. Right, I mean,

935
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: how good are these guys because I know the back

936
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: of the Chicago Sun Times, which I used to be

937
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: a proud subscriber back in the day, back when they

938
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: actually used some people actually used to get newspapers. In

939
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: the back headline read passer grading. And there was Andy

940
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: Dalton getting victimized for one of four picks. But just

941
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: as impressive as the takeaways is the tackling of those

942
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: two guys. And man, I mean there was a moment

943
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: there where Jalen Thompson knock on Wood went down. I

944
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: mean everyone in the Cardinals sideline their eyes were a

945
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: number thirty four. Everything stopped when Jalen Thompson took a

946
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: moment or two to get up from the field, like,

947
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: oh boy, is jt okay? He's just one of those guys.

948
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: Were you able to find out, well, he got up,

949
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: he was slow getting up, he was okay, So I

950
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: honestly don't know because he wasn't injured. They because there

951
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: was a report there was a quote unquote injury to

952
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:24,959
Speaker 1: Zach Allen early in the game and it was clear

953
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: that he lost the contact when we looked at him

954
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 1: on the sideline like he was down and it's like, okay,

955
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: what's wrong? What's wrong? He goes, and then then you

956
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: see through the binoculars he's like messing with the content.

957
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, yeah, see that was the rainbowing sideways

958
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: to probably swipe the contact right at his side. It's

959
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: probably what happened, you know. No, I think these two safeties.

960
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: I mean, we already know Buddha, but when you start

961
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 1: looking at that secondary guys, I mean, Robert Alfords your

962
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: third cornerback, but if you look at the starters, is

963
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 1: Marco Wilson and all pro yet? No? No, but he's

964
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: not hurting you this year, which I think is what

965
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: you would take. And I think Bayern Murphy's having an

966
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: excellent year. Had a couple of penalties you'd rather have

967
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: him not have this past weekend, but he also had

968
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: half a sack and an interception. Thanks Chandler Jones and

969
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: uh And then of course Buddha and Jalen. You're talking

970
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: about four draft picks, four guys that you can build

971
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,720
Speaker 1: around on the back end that are good and Jayalen

972
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: Thompson is just having a fantastic year now that he's healthy.

973
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: He's one of five dbs in the NFL right now

974
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: with eighty plus tackles in two or more interceptions. Think

975
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: about that elite company that he is in right now?

976
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: What are those two guys that are in front of them? Though?

977
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: Because he has eighty five eighty five tackles in two interceptions,

978
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: but there's two specific guys that impress me. Derwin James

979
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: is ahead of him. He has one hundred plus tackles.

980
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: I mean, Derwin James game changer, right, and he's healthy,

981
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: He's awesome. Jamal Adams actually is above him with eighty

982
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: seven tackles, but he's not nearly as dynamic as safety

983
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: as Jalen Thompson. He's really just such a I think

984
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: stricted see's a box safety is And you think the

985
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: Seattle I think Seattle would trade Jalen Thompson for Jamal

986
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: Adams in a second. I mean you when you talk

987
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: about tackling, here's what I'm gonna I'm gonna pull the

988
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: pin on this grenade. I'm gonna throw it right in

989
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: the middle. I mean, you know we need a hot

990
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: take at some point. You're good at This is only

991
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 1: half a hot take though, because I really do believe

992
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: this to a large degree, not entirely, but the tackling

993
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: as a secondary that you guys have cited right, every

994
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: single guy can tackle, and we were talking about that

995
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: in cards camp. Wow, look at this Byron Murphy from

996
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: day one, even when Byron Murphy was struggling and coverage

997
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: as a rookie as the number one corner in way

998
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: over his head against the Julio Jones of the world,

999
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: he could tackle. He come up and hit you. We

1000
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: know Jalen Thompson and Buddha Baker can tackle. Robert Alfred,

1001
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: hard nosed right, Marco Wilson, there were a couple of

1002
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: tackles in camp. We all saw it to Rondel Moore.

1003
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: I mean he jarred the ball loose couple times on

1004
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: Rondell Moore in in full speed, full goal camp practice,

1005
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: so you knew he could tackle. Why though, why is

1006
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: everybody's so into it? And to me, when you don't

1007
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: have players anymore in that secondary who are turning down tackles,

1008
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: are you talking about somebody in particular? That goes a

1009
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: long way, Because the only thing more contagious than COVID

1010
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: are defenders who turned down tackles just waiting for the

1011
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: next guy. You know what, I don't need to tackle him,

1012
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait for the cavalry and the next guy's

1013
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 1: gonna bring him down. Why should I stick my beak

1014
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: in there. I'm gonna make a business decision. And there

1015
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: was a way too much of that the last couple

1016
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: of years. And when other guys start looking around, it's

1017
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: like hanrahand and sales. He looks around, he goes, you

1018
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: know what, I'm busting my tail, but Smith down here

1019
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: in the next cubicle isn't. And we're getting the same

1020
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 1: salary and the same props and praise from the boss.

1021
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: Why should I bust my tail anymore? All of a

1022
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: sudden he starts mailing it in. That's what happens on

1023
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: a team. That's where the leadership comes in to me.

1024
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: And when all of a sudden it's it's additioned by subtraction,

1025
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: when you no longer have the guys in the secondary

1026
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: secondary who are turning down tackles. I think that's you know,

1027
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: I think that's a fair point. And you know, obviously

1028
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: the guy that people are going to think about is

1029
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson, who was an All Pro and a great

1030
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,919
Speaker 1: cover corner. He wasn't super physical, and I do think

1031
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: that that played into the decision to not work real

1032
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: hard to bring him back was to make sure that

1033
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: you did have physical guys. And it's why they drafted

1034
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 1: Marco Wilson, and it's why they initially signed Robert Afford,

1035
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: and it's why they stuck with him is because they

1036
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: felt like, if he could be on the field, he

1037
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: could be that guy, you know. I mean, it's funny

1038
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: we talk about Murphy, and I do think Bayern Murphy

1039
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: has deserves some consideration for the Pro Bowl for sure,

1040
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: But when you talk about those other two cornerbacks, I mean,

1041
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: when Malcolm Butler retired, everybody was like, oh dear, and

1042
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: yet these two guys, Robert Alford and Marco Wilson. I

1043
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: saw an analytical tweet a couple few weeks ago, and

1044
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 1: I forget exactly what it broke down, but it basically

1045
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,280
Speaker 1: was saying, Robert Alfords have been a really solid season

1046
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: and who saw that coming? And again, I don't think

1047
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: Marco Wilson, while he hasn't been spectacular, he hasn't been

1048
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: a negative. He's been a solid player and that's what

1049
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: you needed. And it goes back to the run defense,

1050
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,720
Speaker 1: and it goes back to the to me, the defense

1051
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: is overachieving in some ways in my opinion. Now, I'm

1052
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: sure there's gonna be players that would be offended that

1053
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: I would say that, because they'd be like, well, what

1054
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: did you expect from us? But I feel like I

1055
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: came into this year thinking if this defense was average,

1056
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: this offense would be able to carry it. And the

1057
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: defense has been better than average, and the offense still

1058
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 1: has done really well. And what you have is the

1059
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: best record in the NFL. And that's that's why I

1060
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: can't get too far gone on the run defense. I'm

1061
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: not saying you ignore it. I'm not saying you have

1062
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 1: to be, you know, more stout. But at the same time,

1063
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: you know there are no perfect football teams. And if

1064
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: that happens to be the one little area that is

1065
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: a little bit of a roller coaster, I'm willing to

1066
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: take that because I think that's better than having no

1067
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: cornerbacks that and you get killed and through the air.

1068
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: I think it's better than not having an offensive line.

1069
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: I think it's better than not having a quarterback. I mean,

1070
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: I think a lot of problems I'd rather have I'd

1071
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 1: rather not have than I'll run defense that sometimes get gashed. Yeah,

1072
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 1: whoa lost myself there. Well, I mean, if you're gonna

1073
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: if you're gonna look at areas to be concerned by,

1074
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: and we mentioned run defense Cliff Kingsbury mentionment for the

1075
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: first time this week. Could I also cite because I

1076
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: threw this out to Wolf. We were trying to actually

1077
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: think about this topic. Okay, things you're concerned about going

1078
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: into the playoffs, in particular a rookie corner as a starter,

1079
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 1: because did we not see Aaron Rodgers go after Marco Wilson?

1080
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: Did we not see Carolina go after Marco Wilson? Not

1081
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,879
Speaker 1: with as much success. But I'm guessing in the postseason

1082
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: teams will target Marco Wilson. Is he gonna be worthy,

1083
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: is he gonna be stout? Or are they just gonna

1084
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: go with some zone coverages? Because what did you hear

1085
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: Marco Wilson say last week that d hop has helped

1086
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 1: him the most was zone coverage technique because he didn't

1087
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: play a lot of zone coverage in college. He was

1088
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: tasked in the SEC with hey, go get that guy,

1089
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: go get that elite receiver and just stay in his

1090
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: hip pod. Yeah, that dude. So we'll see exactly what

1091
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 1: vance Joseph does when it comes to trying to hide

1092
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 1: his rookie corner if that is necessary come to postseason

1093
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: against the ultra elite quarterbacks like in Aaron Rodgers. Let

1094
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 1: me throw this at you because I brought this up

1095
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: as well. What if when you're talking about the Cardinals defense,

1096
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: what if Philippe Zaven Collins had been half the impact

1097
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: player that Michael Parsons has been this year. Because the

1098
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: guy who's taking four spots ahead of him, the other

1099
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:31,240
Speaker 1: linebacker on the first round, Michael Parsons, has been phenomenal

1100
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: for Dallas. He's in the top ten in sacks, he

1101
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 1: is tracking for the ever rare one hund tackle season

1102
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: and double digit sacks, which does not happen very often,

1103
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: and he's about to do it as a rookie. What

1104
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: if Zaven Collins was making one quarter of that impact

1105
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: on this team? Can you think of where the defense

1106
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: would be? I mean one, I think we wouldn't be

1107
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,879
Speaker 1: talking about them struggling against the run game. Right if

1108
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: Zamon Collins was playing at six five, two sixty You're right,

1109
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: we're not talking about that. We're not talking about gap

1110
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,399
Speaker 1: in Tiger year whatnot. But the biggest difference between those

1111
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 1: two players, is defensive snaps and you know, being on

1112
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 1: the field. You know, I had the chance to talk

1113
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: to linebacker Isaiah Simmons, who went through something similar last year.

1114
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: I sat sat down with him and I asked him,

1115
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: you know, what's been the biggest difference between year one

1116
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: and year two? And he cut me off before I

1117
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: could even finish the question, and he said, defensive snaps.

1118
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: Just being on the field, having the veterans, having the

1119
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: coaching staff have faith and you have confidency in you

1120
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: to perform to the level that you know you're you know,

1121
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: you're more than capable of plane. So obviously not being

1122
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: on the field. Zaven got a little banged up a

1123
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, But that's been the biggest difference

1124
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: for me. I mean, at this point, do you risk

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00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: even plane Zaven with the ten and two record, do

1126
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: you risk experimenting with him a little bit the same

1127
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: way that they did last year with Isaiah Simmons And

1128
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: it paid off right against the Seahawks and something I

1129
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: football on that interception that really change the trajectory of

1130
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: his rookie season. But what are you risking though? I mean,

1131
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 1: he's already not playing I would say the opposite. You

1132
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: want to invest in Zavon Collins if if you can

1133
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: get this winning clinch a playoff spot and you're going

1134
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: against Detroit and get a two score lead, I'd play

1135
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: Zavon Collins the rest of the game. I try and

1136
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: get him postseason ready. Because to your point against the Packers,

1137
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: what's your best answer against aj Dial and two hundred

1138
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: and fifty pounds is two hundred and sixty pounds Zavan

1139
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: Collins in the A gap. But do you guys, I'm

1140
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: sure you guys saw you know on Sunday there was

1141
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: a specific couple of plays And I'll credit Craig Greloup

1142
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: for this because he actually pointed it out on He

1143
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: pointed out as specifically where a specific play where Jordan

1144
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: Hicks actually went out because he had a minor injury

1145
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: one that and I believe David Montgomery ran like sixteen

1146
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: yards and one out or they scored on Zavan Collins

1147
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: because he was uncoverage. So I feel like that's Jimmy

1148
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: Graham first, Jimmy Graham times. Yeah, that's when Jordan Hicks

1149
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 1: was out. He had like a finger and then boom

1150
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: and then all this So they're popping that thing back

1151
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: in place. It's always gruzily to watch. I'm like, so,

1152
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: I feel like, maybe that's what you're risking. Are you

1153
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: gonna risk that on Monday Night football? Are you gonna

1154
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: risk that on Christmas Day against the Colts trying to

1155
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: clinch a potential first round buy in the playoffs? Like,

1156
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: I feel like that's what you're you're juggling. Now does

1157
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: it help that Jordan Hicks has been playing out of

1158
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: his mind this year? Now? Do you want to put

1159
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: Zaman Collins in for Jordan Hicks for a couple of snaps? So?

1160
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: I feel like that's what you're risking. You know, you're

1161
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: risking performance in the box. You're risking, you know, messing

1162
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: with Jordan Hicks's rhythm and whatnot. So, by the way,

1163
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: did you mention to Isaiah Simmons? I saw this somewhere

1164
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: that he has the worst overall Pro Football Focus grade

1165
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: of any starter on the Cardinals defense. How can they

1166
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: give Isaiah Simmons a grade of forty six point four?

1167
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: That's abysmal? Isn't it? Isn't that an abysmal Pro Football Focus? Great?

1168
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: Scope of things? That's his season? Great? Are you kidding? Me.

1169
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: I thought Isaiah Simmons played pretty well against the Bears,

1170
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: and other than Zavian Collins and his three snaps, the

1171
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: next lowest grade out of all the Cardinals was isais

1172
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: Where's Justin Peu with a Pro Football Focus rant? When

1173
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: we need him? I'm somebody needs to go ahead and

1174
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: tweet him this stat right there. He's got a lot

1175
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: of time in his hands right now. He's still rehabbing,

1176
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: trying to get back on the field. Justin Pugh, you know,

1177
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: one of the smartest guys in the room, needs to

1178
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: go on another rip job on Pro Football Focus forty

1179
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: six point four? Are you kidding me? This is your

1180
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: chance to throw some shade at analytics and Kle. That's right,

1181
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: it's Kyle's fault, obviously. Obviously. You know, here's the other grenade,

1182
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: hot take I'll throw out there. You guys ready for this?

1183
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: And then I think my work here is done. How

1184
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: can Kyler Murray be the MVP of the NFL when

1185
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: the team MVP award is gonna go to James Connor? Wow?

1186
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: How about that? I mean, honestly, James Connor and what

1187
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: he does for this team. He's scores in the twenty

1188
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 1: three yard one handed catch and run and we're down

1189
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: there and I'm trying to stand behind, you know, the

1190
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: defensive lineman and so forth to block the wind off

1191
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: Lake Michigan, and someone just bolts past us. Even the

1192
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: team doctors like, what was that? It was the head coach.

1193
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: It was Cliff Kingsbury running the length of the field

1194
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: to go down there and hug James Connor and on

1195
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: his TV show, we why did you react that way?

1196
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: Because I didn't see him react that way on a

1197
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: touchdown and a celebratory fashion. Now we all saw him

1198
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: react in another way against Josh Norman and the referee

1199
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: about a month ago. But in terms of celebrating he said, yeah,

1200
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: you know, and he paused and he smiled. He said,

1201
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: it was just the circumstances. There's howling wind and there's rain,

1202
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: and he's supposed to be our power back and he's

1203
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: opening up his hips and he's making a one handed

1204
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: grab and he's stiff arm and then guy and he's

1205
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: turning on the jets to house that thing. He said,

1206
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 1: it's just so far beyond what we all expected in

1207
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: training camp when he showed up for him to make

1208
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: a play like that in those conditions. He said, I

1209
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: just lost my just out of appreciation for what the

1210
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: guy just did. The catch was one of the best

1211
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: ones I've seen, and in context with the wind and

1212
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: the rain and having to turn and change hands and

1213
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 1: avoid a tackle right there, that was one of the

1214
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 1: best plays I've seen in a long time. An he

1215
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: saved Kyler's bacon. Again, that was not a good throw,

1216
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: and to turn that throw into a touchdown was was

1217
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: amazing And it just in a microcosm, it kind of

1218
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: shows again what James Connor has been able to do

1219
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: for this offense. And you know, I'm very curious to

1220
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 1: see how Chase Edmonds gets worked back into the offense

1221
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: because you know, Benjamin's had a couple snaps here and there,

1222
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: but it has not been the fifty fifty ish thing

1223
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: that Chase Edmonds normally has. Do you move him back in?

1224
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: Do you do you not? How all that works, It's

1225
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 1: going to be fascinating to watch. Remember James Saxon, the

1226
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: running backs coach who was on the Big Red Rage

1227
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: and they all season when they first signed James conn

1228
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: and we had him on immediately because he was his

1229
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 1: position coach in Pittsburgh and we asked about it. Is

1230
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: he an option out of the end the past game,

1231
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: and he's sort of half laughed on the air and

1232
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: he said, yeah, you know, he can catch the ball.

1233
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: But he paused. He said, gentleman, he said, when you

1234
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: have an elephant, you don't put him on a sailboat.

1235
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: That was the comment. You don't put an elephant on

1236
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: a sailboat. Well, guess what this elephant is about to

1237
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 1: win the America's Cup right now. This elephant is about

1238
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: to go out there and take back the America's Cup

1239
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:34,959
Speaker 1: for the United States against what New Zealand and Switzerland

1240
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: and whoever else is out there, Australia, whoever else is

1241
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: a contender in those yacht races, which, by the way,

1242
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: the America's Cup to makes that sure, that was right

1243
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 1: moments ago. I just I just do you know what

1244
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: says right here? The America's Cup, the pinnacle of yachting,

1245
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: was first contested in eighteen fifty one, making it the

1246
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: oldest trophy and international sport, predating the modern Olympic Games

1247
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: by forty five years. How about the first of all

1248
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: the America's Cup flexing? I mean, is there any other yachting?

1249
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I know there are people would take boats out,

1250
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: but I don't know. Darren, you're upbringing, won't you remember

1251
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 1: Arizona Yacht Club? I most certainly was not. You know,

1252
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: I'm from Detroit like you. My grandfather worked in the

1253
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: post office, right the D the three one three, that's right, Okay,

1254
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 1: going back to that, um, that's right. I like when

1255
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 1: you guys get into it. You know, it's an element

1256
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 1: that I don't get a see day to day. So

1257
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 1: when I come here, and because we don't talk to

1258
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: each other outside the podcast, if he comes in Spectator Sport,

1259
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: we save it from on air. Go ahead, But I

1260
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 1: feel like James Connor, he would welcome, you know, with

1261
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: open arms, the return of Chase Edmonds. You know, I

1262
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: feel like the first half of the season James Connor

1263
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 1: benefit benefited a laugh from Chase Edmonds extending plays, getting

1264
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: him in great field position, getting him in a lot

1265
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 1: of third and short situations because of what he can

1266
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 1: what Chase can do out of the backfield catching pass

1267
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: is you know, Kylie Mary now doesn't have to necessarily

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01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: run ten times in a game, and that means he's

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01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 1: not necessarily going to be at risk of getting hurt

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Speaker 1: something that we saw last year, you know, getting getting tackled,

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Speaker 1: a lot things of that nature. I feel like both

1272
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 1: guys probably are anticipating the return of Chase Edmonds for

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01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:23,439
Speaker 1: a lot of great reasons. I would say, well, Chase

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01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 1: Edmonds in the red zone too. Yeah, that's I mean,

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01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: think about this team. I don't even know where where

1276
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 1: do they rate in red zone touchdown percentage? The Arizona Cardinals. Again,

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01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 1: it's gotta still top think if I'm a defensive coordinator,

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01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 1: that's the first thing. And there's a lot of things

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Speaker 1: that can stand out obviously about this Cardinals offense, But

1280
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 1: red zone, what do you do. You got a quarterback

1281
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: who can run the zone read just ran for two

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Speaker 1: more touchdowns. You have a power back in James Connor.

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01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 1: You have a six foot four a j Green, Plus

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01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 1: you have the acrobatic DeAndre Hopkins Christian Kirk. You can

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01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: always get him to him either on a jet sweep

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01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: through the air. You have Zach Ertz, and then you're

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01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 1: going to add a Chase Edmonds who's always had a

1288
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: nose for the pylon. It's just the Cardinals and the

1289
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: red zone are so much better than they have been

1290
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,959
Speaker 1: the first two years. Under Cliff Kingsbury. It's not even close, right.

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01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I do think that there are so many

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01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 1: and that's why it was funny when Cliff Kingsbury after

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01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 1: the game acknowledged that that Wildcat on third and goal

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01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: from the one, Yeah, that lost six yards, Maybe wasn't

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01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 1: the greatest idea. Although I would say that if Chase

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01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 1: Edmonds was healthy and you could put him back there

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01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 1: with Connor on the field, I could. I could deal

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01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 1: with that. The problem was James Connor is like everybody

1299
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: knew it was coming, and unlike the Bills, the Bears

1300
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 1: were able to stop. What I didn't have the guts

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01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: to say to Cliff Kingsbury was that he stole the

1302
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 1: zach Ert shovel pass touchdown from Frank Reich. Well, just

1303
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 1: in watching the highlights on the team plane while we

1304
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 1: were waiting for Darren to give the go before we

1305
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 1: could finally take off, I did see that they put

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01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor on the Wildcat and the Colts and he

1307
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 1: walked in. I mean, it was a stroll in the

1308
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 1: park on a Sunday. It was so ridiculously open and

1309
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 1: he just strolled right in. It was the exact opposite

1310
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 1: of what happened to James Cunner in the Wildcat. It

1311
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: had no chance from the get go, So that was

1312
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 1: that a totally blown block. I never saw the report, honestly,

1313
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 1: I haven't either, but all it did was prolonged the inevitable.

1314
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 1: But it was a Zach Allen interception. And going back

1315
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: to you a Chase Ediman's point, like, if he was in,

1316
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 1: would that have worked because it worked against the Packers.

1317
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: If you guys remember the only touchdown he's had this season,

1318
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 1: so now I mean the touchdown he shouldn't have had

1319
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 1: because DeAndre Hopkins should have just noted face mask. So

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Speaker 1: I think that pretty much covers everything here on Cardinals Underground,

1321
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 1: brought to you by a Pacific office. We wanted to

1322
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 1: make sure we really went extra big because there's an

1323
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: extra day before a game. That's true, that's true. We

1324
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 1: incrementally we have to do an extra day's worth on

1325
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 1: the back end of this, the TRT, which in the

1326
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 1: business is known as total runtime. There you go a

1327
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 1: little behind the scenes. I did want to ask because

1328
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 1: I know last week before the game, I asked you

1329
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: if you had specific shoes prepared for the road trip.

1330
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 1: I just wanted to get an update on whether one

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01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: you were comfortable too. Are those shoes like, can you

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01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 1: wear them now? They still? Well? I did. I did

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01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 1: remember the boots, which was good. The bad was I

1334
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: forgot the long underwear and the gloves. How I possibly

1335
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 1: forgot those two items when I knew what the weather

1336
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 1: conditions were going to be going in and then you're

1337
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 1: seventeen on the sideline. What was I thinking? I know,

1338
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 1: Here's here's the worst part, Philippe. Our hotel was right

1339
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 1: off Michigan Avenue. Literally, I don't know. I don't know

1340
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 1: if he could from his window, but from my window

1341
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 1: you could see the North Face store right across the street.

1342
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 1: All you had to do is go. Dan Nettles did that.

1343
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: He forgot his gloves, so he walked across the street

1344
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 1: and bought gloves. Well, Paul could have done that. You're

1345
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 1: the vet pile if my wife was here sheet filling

1346
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 1: and explain my disdain for shopping. I have a phobia

1347
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: against walking into like big department stores. I just can't

1348
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 1: stand shopping. I don't know why it is, but I

1349
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 1: actually would rather deal with five hours in the sideline

1350
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: and the postgame interviews being cold than walk into a

1351
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 1: Basis or Nordstrom and actually go through just the process

1352
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 1: of trying to find it in what section and size?

1353
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 1: And do you have inventory? And what's the just I

1354
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 1: can't stand. That's a that's a problem. Have you, north face?

1355
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 1: Did not look that crowded? Has anyone? By the way,

1356
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 1: Wolf was all about like a five course dinner. I

1357
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 1: had no time to go shopping by the time dinner

1358
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 1: started and ended with Wolf in Chicago? Are you kidding me?

1359
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 1: The stores were all closed? So you hate shopping? But

1360
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 1: has anyone introduced you to online shopping? Well? But yeah,

1361
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 1: but in this case, that's where I do all my shopping.

1362
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 1: But in this case, and you know, needed now scenario,

1363
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 1: unless I guess I could have had maybe some sort

1364
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: of you know, immediate Amazon delivery for an up charge,

1365
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 1: just take it right to your hotel in Michigan. Have

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01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's a that's a business idea right there.

1367
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 1: We should start our own business of delivering last minute

1368
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 1: online shopping orders. Or or or Paul just doesn't forget

1369
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 1: his gloves, sure easy, or I get off my rear

1370
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 1: and walk across the tree. That's also too But honestly, guys,

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01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 1: it didn't matter either way, because as you knew it

1372
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 1: to come full circle now, my face was so red.

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01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and my face was so frozen that I

1374
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 1: couldn't I didn't care about my hands or my feet.

1375
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 1: It didn't really didn't want her matter at that point

1376
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,879
Speaker 1: because my face was so frozen. Here's what we got, Felipe.

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01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 1: We're gonna reach out to Cam Cox. We're gonna get

1378
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 1: that clip, and so when we do, we're gonna do

1379
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 1: the folk tales of Paul Calbisi's horrible five hours in Chicago. Yeah. No,

1380
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 1: so you were in the trust Tree, so you guys

1381
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 1: can tell me, of course, how bad did it look

1382
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 1: on camera? Did it look like like I was a

1383
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 1: raging alcoholic with the red nose. I'm gonna be honest.

1384
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 1: I didn't really, no, no, no, see I noticed that

1385
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 1: after your SoundBite, so you gave obviously put it in perspective.

1386
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 1: I actually put myself in Cliff Kingsbury shoes. I felt

1387
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 1: like I was the one getting hit in the mouth.

1388
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 1: So you did a good job in describing it. Wasn't

1389
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 1: until Cam started talking that I licked at you, and

1390
01:09:56,439 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, dang, it was freezing. I actually said at

1391
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:02,680
Speaker 1: one point in the interview cam, can we stop and

1392
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 1: start a fire right here under afterwards? I mean, my goodness,

1393
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:08,879
Speaker 1: you know, by the way delayed reaction, I just realized

1394
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:12,600
Speaker 1: here Darren really doesn't talk to me outside Cardinals on

1395
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 1: the ground. That was some significant delayed reaction. I just

1396
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 1: realized that, Um, you know, I don't know. I think

1397
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 1: that hurt my feelings. I'll let you know on the

1398
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 1: next episode of Underground. Conversation works two ways, Paul, that's right,

1399
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 1: you got to invest I tell my mom that all

1400
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 1: the time you never call me. Well, you know, the

1401
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 1: phone works both ways, Mom, you can give me a call, right, Hey, Mom,

1402
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 1: where's the ROI return on investment? Right? Okay, touche Me

1403
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 1: and mom, Me and Mom. We gotta get better. We

1404
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: gotta get better. Apparently, according to Darren, his mother and

1405
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 1: Paul KELVC have to get better. In his eyes, we'll

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01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 1: try better next time on Cardinals Underground.