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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This episode number two hundred and

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Speaker 1: thirty one, and today in the show, myself, Spencer and

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Speaker 1: Further are recapping our early September hunts and I am

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Speaker 1: excited to be able to share with you the story

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Speaker 1: of the successful conclusion to my Montana public land hunt.

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Speaker 1: All right, before we get to all that, though, big

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Speaker 1: things to our partners at Lacrosse Boots for their support

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Speaker 1: of this podcast episode. And I actually have a great

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Speaker 1: Lacrosse Boots story to share with you from this Montana hunt.

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Speaker 1: I've been on about my regular knee high rubber boots

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Speaker 1: for the hunt. Um, but I knew I was going

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Speaker 1: to be crossing a river a handful of times, quite

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Speaker 1: a few times, actually, so I made the mistake of

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Speaker 1: being a cheapskate and buying some fifteen dollar packable waiters

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Speaker 1: from Amazon. These things were trash and the first time

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Speaker 1: using them, they ripped, so I had to go. I

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Speaker 1: to drive over an hour to the nearest city where

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Speaker 1: I could get some better kind of waiters or boots,

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Speaker 1: and they're at the local kind of farm supply store.

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Speaker 1: I was able to get some across hip boots. These

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Speaker 1: things were exactly what I needed. I brought them back

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Speaker 1: to the property I was hunting, and they were able

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Speaker 1: to get me across the river, down the river, through

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Speaker 1: the river many many times of the course of the

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Speaker 1: four days I was hunting there. So I should have

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Speaker 1: just gotten something high quality that in the first place.

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Speaker 1: But none of this is say my across boosts. Both

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Speaker 1: the rubber boots and the hip boots worked great for

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Speaker 1: this hunt. And uh now I'm glad I've got a

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Speaker 1: great pair for these to do some creek crossings and

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Speaker 1: traversing in miss Chegain as well in other places. So

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Speaker 1: if you're interested in learning more about the cross boots

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Speaker 1: for yourself, you can visit Lacrosse Footwear dot com. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Onyx and today we're coming to you live from Montana,

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Speaker 1: North Dakota, and South Dakota. It's me further and Spencer

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Speaker 1: and I thought the plan for today could be for

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Speaker 1: us just to recap how our first week of hunts

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Speaker 1: have gone, because all three of us have been hunting

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Speaker 1: out in these different states. Um, early September hunts. Dan

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Speaker 1: couldn't be with us because he's still in the mountains

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Speaker 1: chasing elk, but I've heard they've been having some close calls.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure next week we'll have some interesting updates from him.

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Speaker 1: But really quick, let's do a quick roll call. Um,

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Speaker 1: I want to hear who has filled their tag so

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Speaker 1: far off the three of us. Uh, Spencer, if you've

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Speaker 1: killed the bucks, say I nay? Okay further now, this

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Speaker 1: seems like the shame most plug here for you. Man,

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Speaker 1: I don't have a tag till yet. Okay, I'll say

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Speaker 1: mark yea buck tag filled? Um. Do you guys wanna

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Speaker 1: hear about my story first? Or you want to tell

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Speaker 1: me your stories? I think Josh and I have pretty

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Speaker 1: the way. All right, Well, Spencer, what's the story on

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Speaker 1: Lieutenant Dan. Uh? The story is he's still out there

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Speaker 1: and he is safe. Um. I got to haunt the

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Speaker 1: at golf. So UM, I love these analogies, and that

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Speaker 1: I like to imagine Steve Ornella is listening and make

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Speaker 1: a bunch of sport ball references. Is that he is

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Speaker 1: They would all go right over his head, Um Spencer.

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Speaker 1: I was what I was curious about, was, um, this

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Speaker 1: The problem was, I got the camera up, turned around

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Speaker 1: pique his interest to to show up there a little

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Speaker 1: your game plan for the next couple of weeks? Now,

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Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks, I'll be hunting, um, like

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Speaker 1: my sea property and my d property, um, which don't

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Speaker 1: set up well for early season. Now if this were

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Speaker 1: it a few more days here, hoping that I can

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Speaker 1: I can haunt it. And I'll do some public land

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Speaker 1: um at this point, bumber. Well, like you said, though,

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Speaker 1: there's a Tiger Woods in the hunting world, they gotta

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Speaker 1: believe it's U Spencer. Um. We just we won't tell

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Speaker 1: your wife about the infidelity part. But otherwise, UM, see,

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Speaker 1: I got I got sport ball jokes too, like that.

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Speaker 1: That's right, that one wasn't as good though, Yeah, probably not.

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Speaker 1: gonna be hunting, he'd rather not go back there. So

429
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 1: I was all kind of in a panic then, because

430
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: I had all these spots picked out, I thought we're

431
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,360
Speaker 1: gonna be great. But now if I couldn't go down

432
00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 1: that river, I couldn't get to him. Well that's said

433
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,400
Speaker 1: he did mention, well, stopping when you get here, we'll

434
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 1: chat and we'll see. So I get there on Saturday,

435
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 1: I stopping and chat. After like two hours hanging out

436
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 1: there chip chatting with him, him, his wife, really really

437
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 1: nice people, great people. UM. And the the end result

438
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: was that they decided that it would be okay for

439
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: me to go back there now. So that was great.

440
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 1: It was a huge relief, UM, and I all of

441
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 1: a sudden had this all this new confidence back again.

442
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 1: So that first day I packed up my gear and

443
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 1: hiked in and kind of like what Josh mentioned with

444
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 1: those long walks, it's about a mile, just under a

445
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 1: mile and a half hiked to get in there, Um,

446
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 1: across all this public land and then down all on

447
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 1: this river and then back into this public land. So

448
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: it's a long time getting in there. But um, I

449
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 1: gotta tell you about my new mobile setup. UM. I

450
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: switched to the tree saddle. I think a lot of

451
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: people have heard about that. So it's the first time

452
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 1: using the tree saddle, and I loved it, like, I

453
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 1: really really liked it. Um. One of the nicest things

454
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 1: being the fact that I didn't have to carry in

455
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: a tree stand, so I had thirteen pounds less on

456
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: my back, which is really nice. And I also took

457
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: in my like elk hunting backpack for this trip too.

458
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 1: I just started thinking, you know what, I'm not gonna

459
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 1: carry these heavy loads with a smaller backpack and be uncomfortable.

460
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 1: I'd rather have the big backpack, so I had a

461
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 1: bigger backpack. Plus I didn't take a tree stand. Now,

462
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: I I brought climbing sticks, and I was wearing my saddle,

463
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: and then I've got you know, camera gear, and I

464
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: was on AX and I'll switch other crap. Um. But

465
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: I was able to get in there and get set up.

466
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 1: This is one of the well, this was the first

467
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 1: hunt ever in the saddle, so it took me a

468
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: little while to get up in the tree and get

469
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 1: comfortable and settled. And actually, while I was up there

470
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 1: fiddling in my saddle trying to get situated. I had

471
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 1: two bucks come walking right by twenty five yards to

472
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: young bucks at like four forty five in the afternoon,

473
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 1: so that seemed to be a good sign um. But

474
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: over the course of the night, I saw a bunch

475
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: of deer, had at least two different mature bucks that

476
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: I saw, but both of them were on different sides

477
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: of me, about ninety yards away, out of the side

478
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: of range obviously, So that night was great, had some

479
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 1: good encounters, but I knew I needed to make a

480
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 1: move the next day. The issue was that the next

481
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: day I had a totally different wind direction that just

482
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: seemed I think, it's just the risk of blowing this

483
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: area up with that wind was too high. So I

484
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: knew of one other piece of public that I could

485
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: access that I thought would be pretty good that would

486
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 1: work for that wind. I just had never been down

487
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: in there before. And the issue with this one was

488
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: kind of like Josh, your situation. To get down to

489
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 1: the river bottom ground, you had to come up off

490
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: these really high bluffs and then basically go canyoneering down

491
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: into this thick coollye um to get down at the

492
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: bottom some pretty steep stuff um. And that was a

493
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: mile and a half hike to get to that spot,

494
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: so I was able to get down there, though I

495
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: I went into like a pre hike. I hugged it

496
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 1: without my gear to see if I could even get

497
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: in there. I could. Then I had to hug all

498
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: the way back, get all my gear, then hike all

499
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: the way back down and then get to a tree

500
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 1: get set up. Um my set up with the saddle,

501
00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: and day two is easier. So I was getting more

502
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: comf for a ball, and I did see a good

503
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: number of deer too. Um. It was a little later

504
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: movement that first night. I was seeing those bucks at

505
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: like six six fifteen and didn't get dark till eight

506
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: or eight oh five or something like that. Um. Night

507
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: number two, I was closer out towards the food, so

508
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: that movement was a little later. I did see two

509
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: mature bucks. One was on the private land. One was

510
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: on the public land, but he was out of my

511
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: range and the opposite side of this piece, so it

512
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 1: wasn't in the game, wasn't in the wasn't in the

513
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: chips on that one. But that was still encouraging. I

514
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: found it two nights in a row. I've seen mature

515
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: bucks two nights in a row. I've got two different

516
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 1: good options now. Um, So I was excited about that market.

517
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 1: Where you're at in this river bottom like river bottom

518
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: that I'm familiar with is typically nasty, like overgrown Vietnam

519
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: jungle looking stuff. But like from the pictures I've seen,

520
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: the grass looks like it's very thin and like ankle high.

521
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 1: Were their cattle on this ground that you were hunting?

522
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 1: So on the first place that I hunted Day one property,

523
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: they have sheep in there sometimes, um, and cattle sometimes too.

524
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: I think they aren't there right now, but there were

525
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: sheep there right now. Um. On the day to property,

526
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I didn't see any stock out there,

527
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: but um, possible. But the terrain itself, it's kind of

528
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: there's three different habitat types or three different types of

529
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: stuff that I'm seeing on this property. There's there's like

530
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 1: the really thick like Russian olives, so just you know,

531
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 1: really thick, bushy stuff that's like great betting cover, and

532
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 1: then it usually transitions into like a grassy slash cottonwood

533
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: savannah type terrain and then eventually hits to crop fields

534
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: on the private land. So both of these public places.

535
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: It was that kind of deal. There was the Russian

536
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: olive betting, there was the kind of transition cottonwood groves,

537
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: and then there's the crop fields in the private So

538
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 1: I was positioning myself kind of in between that bedding

539
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,239
Speaker 1: and the food. A night number one I was, well,

540
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: I guess both nights I was kind of in that

541
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: cotton woody um transition area. But on night number one

542
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: it was much tighter to the bedding, like there was

543
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: there was the russianale of betting within fifty yards of me,

544
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: thirty yards and on one side um. On night number two,

545
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: I was farther away from it, but because of the

546
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: wind direction I had, I had to had to move

547
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: far in one direction so my wind would skirt the

548
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 1: edge of that bedding and not cut right into it. Um.

549
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: So that's kind of the the situation. And I think

550
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: why both of these spots was you know, so great

551
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: as far as deer sightings and seeing mature boxes. That

552
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: both of them required, like I said, about a mile

553
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: and a half hike. One of them. You had to

554
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: take a river in which a lot of people won't do.

555
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: So I had to, you know, I had to first,

556
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: I had these disposable these like fifteen dollar packable waiters

557
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: that are trash um, and I ripped them within the

558
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: first wade. The first time across the river, I got

559
00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: caught on a piece of wood and ripped him. So

560
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: was junk and there. So I tried to use the

561
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: rest of the night kept filling up. I got muddled.

562
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just a nightmare that first day.

563
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: So the next day I went and drove to a

564
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: city where I could buy real hip boots hit waiters,

565
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: and those work much better. Um, But I digress. The

566
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: first thing that that property head going for it was

567
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: the river, and the distance made it hard to get

568
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: into it. And the second day property I had the

569
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: distance and then this cliff and this canyon, so you

570
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: had to really work to get down in there. So

571
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: I just don't think many people are willing to do that,

572
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: And especially where I'm at, there's not a whole ton

573
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: of white tail hunters. Most guys right now are focused

574
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: on mule deer and elk um. So the few guys

575
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: maybe that are chasing white tails are are looking for

576
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: the easy, low hanging fruit. These were definitely not low

577
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: hanging fruit spots um, And how how long did it

578
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: take you to get from like when you get out

579
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: of your pickup two when you get to the tree

580
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: when you were going to set up. Yeah, I think

581
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: it's about an hour, give or take. I think it

582
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: was yeah, if I'm remembering right, give or take that

583
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: hour mark um. And then the other thing that both

584
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: of these things had going for them was that the

585
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: public land was this cover betting and transition, but both

586
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: of them were next to private land the head crop

587
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: fields on them. So I specifically picked these places because

588
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: it looked like there was neighboring fields that would hopefully

589
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: have food in them, and I confirmed they both had

590
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: alfalfa growing on the private property, So that really holds

591
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: a deer in this area. So if there's good green

592
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: alfalfa and there's covering nearby, you're almost guaranteed there's gonna

593
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: be deer um. And so that's what I looked for.

594
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: It looked for the food. I looked for hard to

595
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: get to public that was adjacent to it, and I

596
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: found these two spots. I had that and both of

597
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: them ended up being producers. So day number three rolls

598
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: around now and I have a good wind direction to

599
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: go back into the night number one spot. So I

600
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: go in there, but this time I'm going to move

601
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: my stand to take into account what I saw on

602
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: the first night. So I'd seen seven bucks come by

603
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: along the north side of this little opening I was

604
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: in this little transition area. One of them was a

605
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: definitely mature buck. One of them was a maybe. So

606
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: I thought based off that if i'd move my stand

607
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: to be just down wind of that edge, I could

608
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: catch him moving again. And you know, I got in

609
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: there and got settled, and right away, like within I

610
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: don't know, twenty minutes of being in there, here comes

611
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: like a two or three year old buck and a

612
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: younger like a year and a half old buck, and

613
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: a bunch of doughs coming right at me. I was like,

614
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: oh man, this is great. I'm in the right spot.

615
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: But then at about fifty yards fifty sixty yards, they

616
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: cut into the Russian olive thicket before they got to me,

617
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: and then they could see them traveling inside the brush

618
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: past me, and I wouldn't be able to get a

619
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: shot at them. And I'm thinking, oh my gosh, did

620
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: I somehow like misremember the spot? Am I? Like? Thirty

621
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: forty yards too far over? And now every deer that's

622
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: gonna come by is gonna cut into the thicket before

623
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: they get to me. Um. So I was sitting there

624
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: for five minutes like kicking myself, like you are an idiot,

625
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: you screwed up. You're gonna have to make move your

626
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: stand again tomorrow. Um. And I couldn't get down a

627
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: move because there was more deer coming through, like the

628
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: deer parade had begun. Um. Fortunately a couple of doughs

629
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: did come by within range, and I gave me a

630
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: little bit of hope, and I was saying, Okay, maybe

631
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: some of these deer cut in, some of these dear don't.

632
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: And I still was holding true to my memory that

633
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: told me these bucks came by there. So I'm sitting

634
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: there watching lots of different doughs coming through, and now

635
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: there's deer behind me too. So every once in a while,

636
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: I'm looking behind me, and this situation, I'm looking to

637
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: the left behind me, and I turned my right to

638
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: look back in front, right on that edge, and there's

639
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: a great big bucket fifteen yards right in front of me,

640
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: right in my shooting lane, walking right at me. So

641
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, holy crap, Like instantly knew that's a big

642
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: mature buck. And what time was this, man, I think

643
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: this was like six thirty or sixty five or something

644
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: that so at least an hour and fifteen minutes before dark. Um,

645
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: he's right there. And what I did is I thought

646
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: I would have time to grab my camera, spin the

647
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: camera around, spin me around, because again I'm I'm in

648
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: the saddle. And the way I was set up in

649
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: this tree is it had had a bunch of branches

650
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: on the back side of it, and I set up

651
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: my saddle kind of right next to these branches so

652
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: that when I leaned straight back, I was essentially tucked

653
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: into the branches and you couldn't see me at all.

654
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: Nothing saw me. Not a single deer looked up there

655
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: and saw me in the tree. But what I could do,

656
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: because I'm in the saddle, you can maneuver very easily,

657
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: so I could be tucked into the branches when their

658
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: deer coming by that I didn't want to see me.

659
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: But if I needed to get into shop position, I

660
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: could just slowly kind of swing to my left and

661
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: be able to get a great shop. And so that's

662
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: what I did here. I I was swinging into position

663
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: while moving my camera all the while this bucks in

664
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: my in my shooting lane and walking through it. And

665
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: what in a happening is that by the time I

666
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: got drawn back on him, he had got behind a

667
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: couple of branches I couldn't shoot through, and then had turned. Um,

668
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: I think he turned directly towards me, if I remember right.

669
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: And there were two other bucks with him. I never

670
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: even really looked at them too much because I was

671
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 1: so focused on him. I remember seeing them and being like, oh,

672
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: that looks like a couple of younger bucks, and then

673
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: focused on the first one. So he goes almost directly

674
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: beneath me. The other two are directly beneath me. I'm

675
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: drawn back on this buck, hoping he's gonna turn. If

676
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: he turns and gets into one of these gaps in

677
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 1: the branches, I could get a shot at him. Drawn back, waiting, waiting,

678
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: he turned, starts walking directly away from me now and

679
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: now I'm thinking, okay, just give me a little bit

680
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: of an angle on a quarter way shot. And that

681
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. Then he stops, and then there's this buck

682
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: underneath me. I think the youngest buck was like right

683
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: underneath me, smelling around where my tree steps had been

684
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 1: or where my backpack had been laid, and I spread

685
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of nose jammer down there when I got done.

686
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: But after I don't know seconds anything like that. Eventually

687
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 1: he was like I don't like this, and that buck bolted.

688
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,919
Speaker 1: And when that buck bolted, didn't snort, didn't like freak

689
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: out completely, just was like, you know, if you ever

690
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,479
Speaker 1: see that where a buck like just gets a little

691
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: surprised and like, I don't like this, and they run

692
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: off like ten fifteen yards, That's what he did. He

693
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: ran off ten fifteen yards, and then the other two

694
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: bucks then followed him because he kind of freaked out.

695
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: So now the big bucks out of range, they're all

696
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: out of range. They stopped, there's kind of looking around

697
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: and there's no way I can get a shot, and

698
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: then they slowly walk away. Um, so I was just

699
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: pretty piste off of myself. I had this great big

700
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: I mean I don't know I have, and the invelvet

701
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: they always look a lot bigger than maybe they are.

702
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: But I was thinking probably one forties, definitely a four

703
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: year old still in velvet. Um really nice buck had

704
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: him right there, I mean literally that spot where he

705
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: was was what I set the saddle up for. Like

706
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: I was, Okay, I want these deter come right through here.

707
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: If he's there, off this perfect beautiful broadsaide shot. This

708
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: is where think they're gonna be. And he did it exactly.

709
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: I just wasn't ready in time. I just he surprised me.

710
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: He was right in it before I noticed him. And

711
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: and I think in retrospect, if I hadn't messed with

712
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: the camera, I probably could have just grabbed the bone,

713
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: got drawn and got a shot. Um. But that's what

714
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: I did. I tried to get on camera. So has

715
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: has that cost you before? Trying to get the cameras

716
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: set up while self filming and miss an opportunity. And

717
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: the only other time that this happened, um, And it was.

718
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: It was a situation where I told myself I wouldn't

719
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: do it again, and now I just did it again.

720
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: But it was back in two thousand fourteen on I

721
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: was hunting this buck I called Jawbreaker in Ohio, and

722
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: it was it was very very similar situation. It was

723
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: almost the exact same scenario where I was looking in

724
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: one direction, I turned around all of a sudden the

725
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: buck I'm after was right in my shooting lane at

726
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: like twenty yards and same deal. I rushed to try

727
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 1: to get the camera turned on him and and grabbed

728
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: the bone and get drawn all the same time. And

729
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: because of that, he used just about outside of my

730
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: shooting lane by the time I stopped him and got

731
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: a shot. And I think because of that, it just

732
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: forced me to rush and I got a bad shot

733
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: on him, and UM hit back and didn't end up

734
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: recovering until the next spring. So ever after that, you know,

735
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: that really frazzled me. And I don't at least for

736
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: the next few years after that, I've been telling myself,

737
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let the camera interfere with a shot

738
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: like that. UM. But apparently I did again because I

739
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: still try to get on a camera this time, and

740
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: it cost me. At least this time. I didn't rush

741
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: the shot. I just didn't take the shot. So I'm

742
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: glad about that. And there was there was a time,

743
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: there was a second there I was like I could

744
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: probably I could force it, and I stopped myself, so

745
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: I guess I did. There was some personal growth there.

746
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: I didn't force the shot, so I'm glad I didn't

747
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: do that. UM. But That's always been my biggest fear,

748
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: Like if I were to ever start filming that it

749
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: could cost me a deer or it cost me an opportunity,

750
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: and like I feel like that could take the fun

751
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: out of it real quick. And like there there's just

752
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: so many little things that have to go right for

753
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,959
Speaker 1: you to kill a white tail with a bow. Um

754
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: that it just adds an extra element to those people

755
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: who can sell film um and consistently kill big deer,

756
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: like so much respect for him because that it's hard

757
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, I know, it definitely is. It definitely

758
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: is a whole another layer of challenge. But and after

759
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: that job breaker incident, I did consider like do I

760
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: want to stop filming? Um, But what it came back

761
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: down to me is as long as you're not going

762
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: to force a shot down, as long as you don't

763
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: make the mistake I made that first time, which is

764
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: forced a rush shot because of it, um, it adds

765
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: so much fun to the hunt because you can go

766
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 1: back and look at that video. Like I just love

767
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: getting video of deer I see. I love being able

768
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: to look back at them. I love being able to

769
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: share the pictures or videos of other people. UM. Like

770
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: that's become almost just as much of the hunt with

771
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: me now as like I'm hunting with a camera in

772
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: a lot of cases. So just seeing a good buckwheat

773
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: in the distance is still awesome because I can capture

774
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: video of him and I can relive that. UM. So,

775
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: even if I wasn't going to be like posting my

776
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: videos on YouTube or sharing them with you know, for

777
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: wired hunt, I think I would still video just because

778
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:16,919
Speaker 1: I love that aspect um. But it does, it does

779
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: make things tougher. So I was pretty frustrated. Before we

780
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 1: move on from this, how has it been How has

781
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: it been filming from the saddle as opposed to a

782
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: tree stand. Any differences or anything like that you've noticed. Yeah,

783
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: good question, because that was really one of the biggest

784
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 1: things that kept me from trying to saddle in past years.

785
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: It is because I was worried about that. Um So

786
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: I was worried still now that I have a saddle,

787
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: But it ended up being fine, you know, end up

788
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: not being an issue at all. I think, I just

789
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: you know, positioning, it is a little bit different, um

790
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: but it's not bad, just because with the saddle you

791
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: can move around in the tree so much. Um. You

792
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 1: can maneuver and position yourself for different shots. You can

793
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: maneuver around the camera almost easier than you can with

794
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: a tree stand, because you know, in the tree stand

795
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: you're standing straight up tight to the tree. In this

796
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: you can be leaning out, you can be sitting down,

797
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: you can be just you can There's a lot of

798
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: flexibility with it. Um So filming was fine, It was

799
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: really easy. I think the biggest difference was that, at

800
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: least for me, when I get into a tree stand,

801
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: first thing it was getting the tree stand. I clip in, um,

802
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: you know, off a lifeline or whatever onto your safety

803
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 1: harness tree strap, and then I get my backpack, set

804
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: my backpack on the seat, and I start unpacking and

805
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: I start setting up my camera gear and all that

806
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. You don't have a seat now when

807
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: you're in saddle. So what I just end up doing

808
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: was the first thing I would do when I got

809
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: into the tree is that I would, um, you know,

810
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: figure out where I'm gonna hang my stuff, and like

811
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: on my camera arm. There's a little hanger on my

812
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: on my strap on camera arm, so you can use

813
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 1: that to hang a backpack on. So I just essentially

814
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 1: had a place to hang my backpack in easy reachable

815
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: distance so that while I'm in the saddle, I can

816
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: still reach my backpack with all my camera gear and everything.

817
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: And it kind of like it's sitting on a seat, um,

818
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: but still accessible, so I can take care of things

819
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: one at a time, um, in that kind of fashion.

820
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: So that worked out really well. Um. Yeah, So I

821
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 1: got all settled in there, and and that the whole

822
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: situation happened. I was bumming about that buck had another

823
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: group of four bucks come walking in right underneath me,

824
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: passed on a on a pretty nice looking three year old. Um.

825
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: And then the salt in the wound that night? Was

826
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: that the original mature buck that I saw from night

827
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: number one that I moved to this tree for this

828
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: big wide a pointer. He goes walking right by the

829
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: tree I hunted on night number one. UM, so you know,

830
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: I mean, that's like the age old question I always

831
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: like have is like when do you move? Do you

832
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: move after seeing one siding or do you stick it

833
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: out in case they change what they do? And in

834
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: this case, he went by where I was the day before.

835
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: And you know, it is what it is. But now

836
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: you you hunted four evenings, correct, correct, And how many

837
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: of those haunts did you see the same deer that

838
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: you had seen in the past? Um? On night number

839
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 1: one and nine number three, I saw that wide a pointer.

840
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: That was the only buck that I could set tell

841
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 1: you for sure was the same deer from past nights

842
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: because night number two was a different location and night

843
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 1: number four was just a quick hunt. I only saw

844
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: one deer at night number four, But I won't spoil

845
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 1: that quite yet. Um, but I'm sure that you've seen.

846
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: Were there any bucks that you thought we might have

847
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: pulled sheds from? You know? I did wonder about that,

848
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: and there were none that like stood out to me

849
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: as obvious, like, oh yeah, that's this buck. I'm gonna

850
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,919
Speaker 1: go back and look at some of our sheds and

851
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: like try to think through that and try to picture

852
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: the bucks I saw and the sheds we have. But

853
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: nothing that stands out to me as like a no brainer.

854
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: This is half, you know, Like we didn't find the

855
00:42:55,719 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: triple brown time buck. I didn't see him, um, but

856
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: I was hoping we might. I might see one of

857
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: those deer, but I can't say for sure that I did. Well,

858
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: let me know when you're gonna do that and I'll

859
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: bring all my sheds over and we can. That'd be

860
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: fun to look through footage and play with our sheds.

861
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: Um So, yeah, I think our wives with having even

862
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: more questions about us. Yeah, they would. Um So, night

863
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: number three ended basically was seeing that wide one but

864
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: at my first stand location. Um snuck out of there.

865
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: And then day four I decided I'm going to go

866
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: back to the same stand because you know, the wide

867
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: eight could just as likely come back past me, not

868
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: like he did a number one. And I also had

869
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: that group of three batcheler bucks come through, including the

870
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 1: one I tried to get a shot at and couldn't.

871
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: And I didn't think they spooked so bad that they

872
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't come by again. Possibly, Um, if that had happened

873
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: in Michigan, I don't think I would have hund in

874
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: the same stand because these Michigan deer are just they

875
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: don't give you second chances. But I have noticed in

876
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: spots like this where there's just not as much pressure,

877
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: these deer they just behave differently. Um, you can get

878
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: away with a lot more, you know, Like I said,

879
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: not a single there, not one. The entire time I've

880
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: been out here has looked up into the tree. I

881
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: can't tell you how many times in Michigan, even hunting

882
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 1: trees for the first time, deer just looking up lots

883
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 1: of times, lots of times they won't they'll see something

884
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: and they're like when they keep going, but I mean

885
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: nothing looked up at all, It's amazing. And so I'm

886
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: sitting there. I'm so used to like being frozen, assuming

887
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: that deer're going to look up at me and look

888
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: at me for a second and then keep going and

889
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: look at me and they keep going. Never had to

890
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: deal with that, So it is. You know, I'm not

891
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: ever going to try to equate public land hunting, you know,

892
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: like a western state to public land hunting back in Michigan,

893
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: or even private land back in Michigan. Um, it's just

894
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: a different it's a different animal. Um. So that's what

895
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, I could probably get away with

896
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 1: another hunt there. Um. But we had this cold front hit.

897
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: You know that you talked a little bit, well, I

898
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: guess we talked about that on rut ray Deo uh Spencer,

899
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: how this cold front came through the country and it

900
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: was like ninety something degrees on Monday and on Tuesday, Um,

901
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: it was twenty degrees cooler, So now the highers are

902
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: gonna be in like the sixties. I've already been seeing

903
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: early deer movement, so I'm thinking about to myself, all right,

904
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: I've been seeing mature bucks moving at six. I've been

905
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: seeing deer moving by like five thirty five thirty. Um,

906
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to get in there really early, just

907
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: in case these deers start doing something crazy. So I

908
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: got all settled and snuck in there to be in

909
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: the tree stand. I was shooting to be in the

910
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: tree stand by about three thirty, and I got there

911
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: about three thirty. I was up in the tree and

912
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: settled by about three thirty five, and I'm in that

913
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: same stand. I was happy with how I got in there,

914
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: nice and quiet. Um, it's nice and cool and comfortable.

915
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: Three thirty five, I'm all set. I'd got in my

916
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 1: camera gear set up, everything was settled. At three thirty five,

917
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: I grabbed a bottle of water out of my backpack

918
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: and I lost my plastic water all summer. So I

919
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: had like one of those great, big, huge YETI tumblers,

920
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: like the big heavy silver ones. But it's the only

921
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 1: bottle I had. Um, So I've got this huge silver

922
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: thing in the tree with me. I'm taking a swig

923
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: of that. As I'm taking a swig of this water,

924
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: I see moving on the left corm. I turned my

925
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: head and I just see this big framed buck. And

926
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: the first thing in my head is it's that buck

927
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 1: from last night, but he's shed velvet. But the frame

928
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: looked just like this deer from the night before, kind

929
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: of curling in big brow times. So, my holy crap,

930
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: this deer's right here. He's coming in. He's like at

931
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: sixty yards. And the first thing I thought in my

932
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: head is, do not miss this opportunity now because you're

933
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: drinking out of water bottle. So I quickly try to

934
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: tighten the top on my water bottle, get that in

935
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: my backpack, grab my bow, start to spin, and I

936
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: grabbed the camera again. I guess I figured in my

937
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: in my mind subconsciously, I thought I had time, and

938
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: I did have time this time. Um got the camera

939
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: turn just kind of spun on the general dur action,

940
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: hit play or hit record, got the ball ready, he

941
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: went behind some branches, And now I'm saying, okay, he's

942
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: it's not even like he's gonna angle out of range.

943
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: Like so many times, you know, something like this happens.

944
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: A good deer comes in, but he just angles just

945
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: out of range or something. It's just he followed the

946
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: script perfect. He walks right into like fifteen yards and

947
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: he's walking through a wide open spot. I give him

948
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 1: a little maratte. He stopped, pulled through, released good shot.

949
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: Double lung. Look, it looked like a double lung, maybe

950
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: a little bit back um in my mind's eye, I

951
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: saw it, you know, perfect up and down and maybe

952
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: just like a few inches farther back from where I

953
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: wanted to be, But I assumed back of lungs um.

954
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: He mule kicks and just takes off like crazy, just

955
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: runs like a madman. And I've seen him kind of

956
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,439
Speaker 1: do a wide arching loop out through the cotton woods

957
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: and through a little opening and then into those Russian

958
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: olive thicket stuff. And that was at three thirty seven,

959
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 1: So I've been in the tree settled for two minutes

960
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 1: and I had already shot a deer. Ah um. And

961
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: And what was what was the temperature that day? Like

962
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: when you were hunting? You know, I was like high

963
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: sixties probably, I think until had had it been like

964
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: low eighties would have you been there four and a

965
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: half hours before dark, I would not have been there

966
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: so early. No, Um, the nights before I had been

967
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: getting to the tree at like I would be. I've

968
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: been wishing I was there even earlier. But the first

969
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: two or three nights, I remember getting there around like

970
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: four thirty or five. Um. Like I remember looking at

971
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: my watch when I had those two bucks walking by

972
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: me on the first night, and it was like five

973
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: o three or something. Um. So yeah, so I was

974
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: in there much earlier than I had been the previous nights,

975
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 1: specifically because of that cold front. So the cold front

976
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: like got you to kill the deer, whether or not

977
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 1: it actually changed that deer's pattern or that deer's movement,

978
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: like it got you there earlier and gave you the

979
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: chance to to kill that buck. Yeah for sure. And

980
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: if if that, if I hadn't in that temperature drop

981
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: coming in, I would have not been there at three

982
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: thirty five. And do you remember, uh what I had

983
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: brought up on an episode of radio last year how like, Uh,

984
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: I'm not convinced that cold fronts actually increased dear movement,

985
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: but it helps with hunter's confidence, Like it gets you

986
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: there you're more focused, you're probably not messing around with

987
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: your phone, You're hunting a better stand than you normally would. Uh,

988
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: and you're you're like in the zone and you are

989
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: more confident or more ready that a dear is going

990
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 1: to come by. Um, and this is like another good indication.

991
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: Now you could also point at like, yeah, that the

992
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: cold front got that deer moving four hours sooner. But um,

993
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: you know, regardless, that cold front got you there sooner

994
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: and got you to kill that buck. Yeah, I think

995
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 1: you're I think your theory holds water. I think that's true.

996
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: I think it definitely does get you out there in

997
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: your better spots, more confident, more ready. I'll argue though,

998
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: that the cold fronts do actually impact dear movements still

999
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: too um. But either way, yeah, it worked. Um, I

1000
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: got that buck, got a shot, and I was really excited. Um.

1001
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: I assumed that he would be toppled over right inside

1002
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: that thicket. I just as he wasn't running away. I

1003
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: was just waiting for him to go toppling over. But

1004
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: he didn't, So I waited, you know, I don't know,

1005
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 1: I think forty five minutes. I was thinking, I'll wait

1006
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 1: like forty five minutes to an hour because I thought

1007
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: was a double long shot and I'll go get him.

1008
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: But by the time five minutes so passed, then I

1009
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: started thinking, you know, this is gonna be a nightmare

1010
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: getting out of here with him. Plus I want to

1011
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: get my other camera press, I want to drop off

1012
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: all this other gear. Um. Plus it wouldn't be bad

1013
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: to give more time. So I decided to pack up everything,

1014
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: take down my saddle and my steps and everything, and

1015
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: go back to camp, drop everything off, get some food

1016
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: and some water, and then come back. So I end

1017
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: up doing that, so that didn't lead me to I

1018
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: didn't get back to start tracking until six o'clock then,

1019
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: so he'd had about two and a half hours now,

1020
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 1: uh um. And so I went to the site where

1021
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,720
Speaker 1: the arrow was found. The arrow arrowhead, great red blood

1022
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: all over. It looks good, um, But just a little

1023
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: splash of blood right by where the arrow was and

1024
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: then nothing. So I walked around and walked around and

1025
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: walked around. Couldn't find any blood. Now I have to

1026
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: preface this, and I think I've mentioned this on the

1027
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: podcast before, so people probably know this. Um. But I've

1028
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 1: got some red green color blindness. So I see red

1029
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: and green just fine. But in a situation like that

1030
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: where you've got little flecks of blood against like a

1031
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: brown dirt and dust and all that kind of stuff,

1032
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't pop out to me as well. So when

1033
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: I'm standing up, like I'll be walking with Josh and

1034
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: he'll be like blood blood, blood, blood, and I have

1035
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: to get down, hunched over and focus in them, like,

1036
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: oh yeah, there it is. There it is. So this

1037
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 1: kind of situation just it's harder for me. So I'm

1038
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: not finding blood around the kill site other than right

1039
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: at the shot, but after that, I couldn't find it.

1040
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking myself, well, I saw right where he

1041
00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: ran in. I'll just go and try and pick up

1042
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: blood there. So I do that. I try to skip

1043
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: to the finish line, got over excited and went up there,

1044
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: started walking around nothing, nothing, nothing, long story short, couldn't

1045
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: find any blood anywhere. Now it's a half hour hour

1046
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: before dark and I'm thinking, okay, I'm not gonna be

1047
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: able to see any blood. It's already starting to get darker.

1048
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: He's got to be just in here somewhere. I know

1049
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: it was a good shot. I know he's down. So

1050
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: I just started body searching, just grid searching the edge

1051
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: and walking and walking and basically without saying the same

1052
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: thing over again. I walked all night till it was

1053
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: dark and I couldn't see anymore, hadn't found him. Decided

1054
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: to go back to camp come back out the next morning.

1055
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: That night, looked at footage again. I could see that

1056
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: the shot, you know, was basically what I thought a

1057
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: touch back, but still that should be a dead deer um.

1058
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: So I went back in the next morning and went

1059
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: back to the last place I saw him running, looked

1060
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: for blood again, was able to find blood. This time.

1061
00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: I followed a blood trail for maybe eight yards to

1062
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: hundred yards, and that gave me like a line of travel,

1063
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: so I knew, Okay, now I know where how he

1064
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 1: was heading in here for sure, better than just what

1065
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: I thought I remembered, but then again lost it. So

1066
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: then I just started gritting again, and I gotta give

1067
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 1: um a big plug to a tool. I was using

1068
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: the Onyx Hunt app, and I was using the track feature,

1069
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: so it tracks your everywhere you walked, and so I

1070
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: used that to identify, you know, to keep track of

1071
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 1: everything I had grid searched already. So I was basically

1072
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: just walking back and forth, back and forth, and then

1073
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 1: looking at the map to see what I hadn't covered yet.

1074
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: And so I started walking I don't know, six thirty

1075
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: or seven or something like that in the morning. Uh,

1076
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: I guess this is Wednesday morning. And by eleven o'clock

1077
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: I still hadn't found him. I maybe it was like

1078
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: ten th fact something like that. I remember texting you, Josh,

1079
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: telling you that I hadn't I lost blood. It was

1080
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: grid searching again, and I was I was pretty down

1081
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: by then because I had walked this whole area that

1082
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: I thought he should have been in. Um, I couldn't

1083
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: find him. And it's just the these rush and I'll

1084
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: think it's it's just so thick. I was most of

1085
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: the time on my hands and knees, crawling around in

1086
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,919
Speaker 1: all fours um, and I just thought to myself, it's

1087
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: it's like a needle in a haystack, like if you

1088
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: find him or actually trip over him, because it's so

1089
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: thick and a lot of this stuff. But I figured, well,

1090
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: I've got, you know, four days out here until I

1091
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 1: have to fly home, so I might as well just

1092
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: keep on walking until I find him. Because I really

1093
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: did believe he was somewhere. So I remember looking at

1094
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: the map and seeing that there was this gap that

1095
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: I hadn't hit yet that was close to the edge

1096
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 1: of the river, and so I started walking that line,

1097
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 1: and I just remember being in my head just having

1098
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: the thought like I'm never gonna find him. I'm never

1099
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 1: gonna find this deer. And I was so upset with myself.

1100
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: And right as I'm having that thought, I spotted like

1101
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: an orange color and I kind of put my head

1102
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: around the corner and this like tall grass and there's

1103
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: the body of a deer. And I'm like, no way,

1104
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: and that there's gotta be some other dead deer. And

1105
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: I keep Then I come around the corner, I'm seeing more.

1106
00:54:58,440 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: I'm seeing more, and then I see antlers and like

1107
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: no where, no where, and I keep gonna get up

1108
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: to him, like, oh my god. I flipped out. I

1109
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: couldn't believe it. There he was. Um. I recovered, you know,

1110
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:14,720
Speaker 1: after I don't know, maybe six hours of walking around

1111
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: or something like that. I guess if you take the

1112
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: night before and then that morning, Um, but there he was.

1113
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: I mapped the distance from the shot. I mapped kind

1114
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: of the whole arc of where he ran to where

1115
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: I saw blood, and then from the last blood to

1116
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: where I found him. And it was about three yards

1117
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:35,240
Speaker 1: that he covered. Um, so he put some some ground

1118
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,439
Speaker 1: underneath his put some ground in the boots there. But

1119
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: so what what would you contribute the lack of blood

1120
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: to you? I think it was more of a liver

1121
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: hit than it was a lung hit. I think it

1122
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 1: was back of lungs and liver and on the exit wound.

1123
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: Actually it blew out um a bunch of tissue and

1124
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: tested not in test out. I should have looked more

1125
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: at it. I was just such a rush yesterday morning

1126
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: when I was recovering because I was worried about the

1127
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: meat because it was getting warm and he'd been out

1128
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: there since the day before. So I didn't do a

1129
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 1: really good autopsy. I just rushed to get it done. Um.

1130
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: But he had a bunch of stuff coming out the

1131
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: exit wound that I think plugged it all up. Like

1132
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: it was a bunch of I don't know, like a

1133
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: like a handful of junk coming out just starting to

1134
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: come out that I that I'm guessing plugged up that

1135
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: exit wound. Um. The entry wound was a great big

1136
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: gaping hole, but that was higher, and then the X

1137
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 1: wound was lower, um, and that was plugged. So I

1138
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: think between that and the fact that it was maybe

1139
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: more liver um, and then the fact that you know,

1140
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: I can't see stuff quite as well, I think those

1141
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 1: are the things that led to the blood trail being difficult,

1142
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:43,280
Speaker 1: and then that led to the blood trail drying up. Um.

1143
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, he was a really nice leven pointer. Actually

1144
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: that's what we call it in Michigan as an eleven

1145
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: point or spencer, you know that as a five by

1146
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: six I think. But um, but really really nice public

1147
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: land buck. I was really excited about it. I'm sure

1148
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,280
Speaker 1: now it's not the same buck from the night before. Um.

1149
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: This buck is definitely younger than that deer was. Um,

1150
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: I didn't you know. I think I saw that frame

1151
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:11,879
Speaker 1: of his antlers. I was like, oh, it's that buck,

1152
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: and I never really gave him a second glance after that.

1153
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: I just was making it happen. Um. But I don't

1154
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: care about that. I'm just super excited about this deer.

1155
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: And it was such a cool hunt. Um. There's a

1156
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: lot of fun, there's a lot of work. It was

1157
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: the most probably most physically demanding white tail hunt I've

1158
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: ever been on, just so much hiking and climbing, and

1159
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: then getting that deer out of there was a whole chore. Um,

1160
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: it's a long process to get him back out. Um.

1161
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: So I definitely worked for this one. So it it

1162
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: was a sweet, sweet feeling of satisfaction when it was

1163
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: all sudden down. Well, I was stoked for you. I

1164
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: was super happy when you said you shot him. And

1165
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: I thought initially that you were messing with me because

1166
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: it was four hours before dark, Like why how would

1167
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: you be killing a deer four hours before dark on

1168
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: September fourth or whatever? But uh, kudos to you. And

1169
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: if we go by like, uh, we'll talk about Rinella again.

1170
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: His purity score. I think he calls it, you know,

1171
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: like a public land with your bow in a state

1172
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: that you don't live, um walking in a mile and

1173
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: a half early September like this, like that is as

1174
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: high as it gets. Uh, you're in that deal. So congrats,

1175
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: thank you, and uh and you have now earned your

1176
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: place on this podcast. In the future, you keep buttering

1177
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: me up like that and you'll you'll keep getting some

1178
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: play on the podcast. So thanks though, man, I appreciate

1179
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: it was it was cool. I'm I'm a happy hunter

1180
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 1: and and thankful that I was able to find him.

1181
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: It's so funny though, you know, everything went the same.

1182
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: But if I hadn't stumbled on him and found him,

1183
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: I will be feeling the lowest of lows right now.

1184
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 1: You know, I'd still be out there walking probably right now, miserable.

1185
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: And I was thinking in my head, if I can't

1186
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: find this buck, I'm definitely not hunting anymore, and I'm

1187
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: definitely not gonna go North Dakota anymore. Um. I was

1188
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: gonna just punch my Montana tag and say, all right,

1189
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:06,919
Speaker 1: that's it, and then probably wouldn't deer hunt again intil

1190
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: October and just would have been so bummed. Um. And

1191
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: then just by you know, chance of fate, um and

1192
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: putting in the time, was able to find him. And

1193
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: now it's, you know, completely opposite. I'm on cloud nine. Um.

1194
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: So it's funny how that all kind of works out.

1195
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: And I guess it. I guess you just gotta keep hope, right,

1196
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I was in the down the dumps right then,

1197
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: but I just was gonna keep on going. And you know,

1198
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: good thing I didn't give up. I think, you know,

1199
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: I think there's some people that probably would have pulled

1200
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: the plug after a few hours of not being able

1201
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: to find blood and be able to find him and

1202
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: to say, oh, he's he's probably fine. Um, but I'm

1203
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: glad I didn't do that because he was there, and um,

1204
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:46,439
Speaker 1: I was able to wrap my tag around a great

1205
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: public lamb buck. So so is that meat still good

1206
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: you think or is that something that you'll donate to Josh? No,

1207
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: the meat actually still good. Yeah, it was didn't smell

1208
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: bad at all. And because of the travel, because I

1209
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: was trying to head right to North Dakota and because

1210
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 1: of the heat, I decided to drop it off at

1211
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: a meat processor there in town. And um, so I

1212
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: dropped it off with the cooler and they said, yeah,

1213
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: it all looks good too. So I'm sure there will

1214
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: be a little bit you know around um that, like

1215
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: the wound and things like that. But um, but yeah,

1216
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: I feel really good about recovering the meat and the animal.

1217
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,959
Speaker 1: And I will say this, this is just another great

1218
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: reminder we talked about all time, but this was in

1219
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 1: public land. This was available to anyone, like anyone could

1220
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: go out and have this hunting trip that I just did.

1221
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: That was just as much fun and you know you

1222
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: quantitatively successful. I got a great buck um, just as

1223
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: much as you see, you know, someone having an outfitted

1224
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: hunting aiola or something. UM. And I was able to

1225
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: do it essentially for free, nothing but my taxpayer dollars

1226
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: I've been paying over the course of my lifetime. Um

1227
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 1: because this is this is open to us. So just

1228
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: another little reminder for me to be so appreciative about

1229
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 1: public land. And uh, it's just more motivation for why

1230
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: I want to keep on making sure we have these

1231
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 1: places and keep on standing up for him. So that

1232
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: was good stuff. All right. We need to pause for

1233
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 1: our last break of the day to thank our partners

1234
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: at White Tail Properties, and today I just want to

1235
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: give a quick plug for another one of their YouTube videos.

1236
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: This one's a little bit different. We've been talking in

1237
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: the past about their land beat series, which is talking

1238
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: through a lot of different habitat advice and tips and suggestions.

1239
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: They've actually also just started posting some of their hunts

1240
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 1: on their YouTube channel two. One of those is with

1241
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 1: a guy who has been on the podcast before, Gabe A.

1242
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: Dare And last year, if you listen to our podcast episode,

1243
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: we did with him. We talked about this buck he

1244
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: was hunting called the Hammer, and that buck is now

1245
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 1: up on YouTube. It's a two hundred and twenty six

1246
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: inch deer that he was able to harvest. Amazing buck.

1247
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: Just a really unique, cool deer to take a look

1248
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: at in an awesome hunt too. So you can check

1249
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: that out on YouTube. You can just go to the

1250
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: YouTube channel. You'll see it there very quickly. It's the

1251
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: two giant boat kill, I think is what they call it.

1252
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: And if you'd just like to learn more about white

1253
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: Tail Properties in general or see some of the properties

1254
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: there for sale, you can visit white Tail properties dot com.

1255
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 1: And I gotta, I gotta echo what Spencer said because

1256
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 1: I want to be around on the podcast a little

1257
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 1: bit more too. But I'm just proud of you in

1258
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: all the work that you put in, and you know,

1259
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anyone out there that you know

1260
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 1: puts in the time and the energy that you do

1261
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: and and being able to share that with everybody. Man,

1262
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: it's awesome and I'm happy for you. Um, I gotta

1263
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: I want to ask a couple of follow up questions,

1264
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: if if I can just go back a little bit, Yeah,

1265
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: do you do you think he had been dead for

1266
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 1: a while. Do you think it was um, you know,

1267
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: if you're talking liver hit, you know, he could have

1268
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: been hanging on for a little bit. What were your

1269
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: thoughts on that? You know, I don't know. I wondered

1270
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 1: the same thing. Um, he wasn't super stiff when I

1271
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: recovered him. So lots of times when a deer has

1272
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: been dead a long time, you know, they kind of

1273
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: stiffen up. But I wondered if maybe that wouldn't be

1274
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: the case though in a situation like this where so warm. Um,

1275
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not sure. But did it did

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01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: it look like an area where he would bed down,

1277
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 1: say he was you know, really hurting, or did it

1278
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: look like he died like while running? It could have

1279
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: been a bedded in location. It was way out at

1280
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Speaker 1: the end of this point. Um, it wasn't in the

1281
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: main bedding. It was like the the outside of the bedding. Um.

1282
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: I just don't know. I couldn't tell. If I if

1283
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: I had to guess though, if if you were gonna

1284
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 1: force me to say what I guessed, I bet you

1285
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 1: that deer ran out there and did bed down, and

1286
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: maybe it was a little bit of time, UM, if

1287
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 1: I had, if I had to put money on it.

1288
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 1: But I walked by not too far from that the

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01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 1: night before, UM, and didn't bump him unless he'd bedded

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01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: down sooner than I bumped him, and then that was

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01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 1: his like outside location. Um. But if he was still

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01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 1: alive when I was out there two hours later, UM,

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01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: he didn't move if that's the case. So so I'm

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01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: not sure. But the shot, again, it was that deer

1295
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 1: definitely couldn't have lived too long, that's for sure. Yeah,

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01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: it looked like a great shot. I mean from the

1297
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 1: videos and stuff you said, I can't believe that, you know,

1298
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: just so tough man. Oh, it's crazy, And I think

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01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 1: you know, I think the angle of the shot it

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01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 1: was a little more quartering to me, I guess, and

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01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: I realized not hard at all. I wasn't in danger

1302
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: of getting the shoulder. But the entry wound was I believe.

1303
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 1: I think it took back of the right well back

1304
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 1: of the front lung liver and then the exit hit

1305
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 1: the tip front tip of the stomach. Um is the

1306
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 1: angle that the arrows hook. I believe because it looked

1307
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: like there was a little bit of junk when I

1308
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: opened them up in there, so so that you know

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01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: those one long hit bucks plus liver, I mean that

1310
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: that's usually dead deer. But I mean people have always

1311
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 1: heard about the infamous one long hit deer can just

1312
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: go away further than you'd ever imagine. Um. So I'm

1313
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 1: guessing it was some combination of all that. When when

1314
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: you were searching for like that six hours, were you

1315
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 1: kicking a bunch of deer up? Not really? Um, I

1316
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 1: think if I remember right the night that that night

1317
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:39,439
Speaker 1: I shot him, I I spooked a few deer when

1318
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 1: I walked in, but then once I got in there,

1319
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: I think I must have just buggered it up enough

1320
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: that they just had already bailed out of there, so

1321
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 1: I didn't spook up anything. And then yesterday morning, when

1322
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 1: I back went back in, when I walked by kind

1323
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 1: of where my tree stand was, I actually spooked a

1324
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 1: few doughs and another nice buck. Um I forgot, I

1325
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: forgot all about that till just now. But yeah, another

1326
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 1: nice buck hardhorn buck went running off. And then when

1327
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 1: I got into that bedding, I did bump a few

1328
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: deer out of their beds. I couldn't really see what

1329
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 1: they were. Um. But but you could definitely see a

1330
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 1: few deer running. So I think I've just been around

1331
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: there so much that night before and then that next

1332
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 1: day that pretty much everything scooted out for you give

1333
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 1: any other fellow ups, No, I don't think so, man.

1334
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: I think I'm good at my ends. All right, Well,

1335
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: I appreciate, uh, I appreciate the kind words, gentlemen. It

1336
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 1: was a fun hunt. And um, I gotta give a

1337
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: plug here. If you are a podcast listener but you

1338
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 1: are not a YouTube video watcher yet, you gotta check out,

1339
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 1: um the videos I've been putting out from this hunt.

1340
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 1: I put it out a video from every day of

1341
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: the hunt, So if you go over to the wire

1342
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: Hunt YouTube channel, you can see everything we've talked about

1343
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 1: Day one, Day two, Day three. I don't have the

1344
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 1: Day four and five video yet, but I'm gonna try

1345
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 1: to get that out as app Um, I'm I thought

1346
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 1: that was turned out pretty cool, So check that out,

1347
01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 1: subscribe to the YouTube channel. I'm gonna try to be

1348
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 1: doing at all throughout the season as often as I can,

1349
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 1: as close to daily real time. I'll be trying to

1350
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 1: do that. So yeah, man, that's my story. I'm on

1351
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 1: my way to North Dakota. Now, as soon as I

1352
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: get done here, I'll finish the drive out and I

1353
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: should be out there to meet up with you further

1354
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:21,439
Speaker 1: and hopefully one of us can fill another tag. Tell

1355
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 1: us what's next if you have an elk hunt and

1356
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: then you'll be in Michigan. Are you hunting Ohio all

1357
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 1: this year or not? Yeah? So I come home for

1358
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 1: a week and then back out for an elk hunt

1359
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 1: and then home and then just focus in Michigan. I

1360
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 1: don't think I'm in hunt in Ohio now. Um, you know,

1361
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 1: we lost our spot, so I don't have anything else

1362
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 1: planned for Ohio, so mostly just Michigan stuff until the

1363
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 1: Minnesota trip and then maybe. You know, I've been talking

1364
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 1: about doing this Nebraska hunt in the end of October.

1365
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 1: I think that's still on. But yeah, I'm kind of

1366
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 1: tired though. Between you know, it was gone for a

1367
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 1: big chunk of time the summer, and then took another

1368
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 1: week long trip out west, then came home for two weeks.

1369
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 1: Now I've been out for this one, so I'm kind

1370
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 1: of just ready to be home for a little bit

1371
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:10,959
Speaker 1: and hang out with my son. Um. But but yeah,

1372
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 1: I can't complain the al kind I'm sure it will

1373
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: be fun once I get out there and get going.

1374
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 1: Um but I am looking forward to just sitting on

1375
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 1: the couch for a day or two too. That's that's

1376
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 1: the cool thing about hunting like early September. Like this,

1377
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 1: I can burn myself out like two or three times

1378
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 1: before November even gets here now because I can go

1379
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:33,639
Speaker 1: through these Whereas before, like hunting beginning of October, there'd

1380
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 1: be problems where I would burn myself out, like right

1381
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 1: when he was getting really good. So I'm I'm excited

1382
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 1: for the early September stuff here. Yeah, you kind of

1383
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 1: go on waves, right, you go, you hunt real hard,

1384
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 1: and then you're kind of whooped and you needed a

1385
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: little break and then you can get re energized and

1386
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 1: go after it again. So yeah, I definitely ebbs and

1387
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 1: flows like that as well. Um but I guess we

1388
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 1: are lucky that we get to hunt enough that we

1389
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 1: can that we can get burnt out, you know, So

1390
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 1: I guess we should be we should be thankful for that. Um.

1391
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 1: All right, Well, further, any last words before we let

1392
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:08,639
Speaker 1: you go. I know that you were already complaining before

1393
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 1: we started recording about how we're holding you up. From hunting,

1394
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 1: so they all, right, Okay, I gotta I gotta get

1395
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 1: you guys to take on this. So so where I'm hunting,

1396
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 1: where I'm camping, I don't have any service. So I'm looking.

1397
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 1: I've got the weather pulled up here as as we're talking,

1398
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 1: and I've got an interesting scenario for tonight that has

1399
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:30,639
Speaker 1: changed since the last time, um that I looked, and

1400
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 1: the plan that I talked about earlier I think is

1401
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 1: going to get uh messed up here. So I've got

1402
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 1: an interesting scenario. I've got all four wind directions between

1403
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:45,559
Speaker 1: three pm and seven pm tonight, starting out starting out

1404
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: with the south southwest to a southwest, to a west

1405
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 1: to a north to a north northeast. So I don't

1406
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna do now, I'm what what what

1407
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 1: would you guys? That scenario? It's changing on the hour,

1408
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 1: so like every hour is different. So it's assuming it's

1409
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 1: like a light, very light and variable wind then like

1410
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 1: two miles an hour or something, uh no, like nine

1411
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 1: miles an hour, eight mile and then five four and

1412
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: six so not super heavy, but um like enough for

1413
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 1: its it would impact what I'm trying to do. A wow, Yeah,

1414
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,640
Speaker 1: that's a tough scenario. I mean, and this is one

1415
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 1: of those scenarios. I thought it was at home, I

1416
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't go out, But that's not a yeah, yeah, I

1417
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 1: was just gonna say, I feel like this is gonna

1418
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 1: be the scenarios I wouldn't go diving into like a

1419
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 1: great spot or anything because of that. But you don't

1420
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 1: have much time, UM, So do you think that have

1421
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 1: you noticed any kind of like thermal effect where you're at,

1422
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 1: so like by the time when it starts cooling off,

1423
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 1: have you noticed that wind dropping down off the bluffs

1424
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 1: and sinking down into the river bottom? You know, I haven't, um,

1425
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 1: because I've been where I've been at, I haven't been

1426
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:05,680
Speaker 1: too close to the cliffs. Um. It certainly could be

1427
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 1: happening closer and by the thicker cover UM that I've

1428
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 1: kind of stayed away from. But it has been super

1429
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 1: like gusty winds here the last couple of days, like

1430
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 1: like up in the twenty mile range. UM. So maybe

1431
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:20,720
Speaker 1: I'm just not noticing it because the winds have been

1432
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 1: so strong. UM. But I'm almost wondering if I You know,

1433
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,679
Speaker 1: I was listening to your podcast that he did with

1434
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 1: with Mark Drew the other day and he talked about

1435
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 1: when you don't have those ideal wind conditions is get

1436
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 1: on the ground. And I'm wondering if that's something where

1437
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 1: I maybe try that tonight and just kind of move

1438
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 1: around as the um as the wind changes. M it's

1439
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 1: interesting idea. I mean it can't hurt. I mean you're

1440
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 1: running gun. I mean might Heck, it might actually be

1441
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: a cool way to be able to see a little

1442
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 1: bit more, maneuver a little a couple of different Yeah,

1443
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 1: and you're not worried about Booker and stuff up because

1444
01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 1: you're just there for a few days, right. I don't know, Spencer,

1445
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 1: w you think interesting scenarrator? Uh, I would if you

1446
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 1: think you've been seeing a lot of the movement that

1447
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:11,640
Speaker 1: last half hour or daylight whatever it looks like the

1448
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 1: wind is going to be doing, then like you if

1449
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 1: you said it to the northwest wind at that point,

1450
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:18,600
Speaker 1: I would try to set up for a hunt like that. Um.

1451
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 1: But you know, you can be as aggressive as you

1452
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 1: want with only a few days left and then hunt.

1453
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:27,840
Speaker 1: So if you go on the ground, I think that's

1454
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 1: a good option too. Yeah. These last the last kind

1455
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 1: of two or three hours. They've got a west and

1456
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 1: north and the north northeast. Um, it's almost like if

1457
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:39,719
Speaker 1: you maybe maybe what you do is, if you're gonna

1458
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,720
Speaker 1: hunt in the ground, maybe you stalk your way in

1459
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 1: towards so you start your day wherever you've got that

1460
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 1: safe winds, so you're not at least you're not blown

1461
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:50,919
Speaker 1: out the bedding early, but by the time you slowly

1462
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 1: work your way up to whatever you think your prim

1463
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:55,680
Speaker 1: area is, then hopefully you're there by the time the

1464
01:12:55,720 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 1: wind shifts to that northwest whatever. Yep, yeah, I'll do

1465
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 1: something and I gotta look at some stuff I'm not

1466
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:05,680
Speaker 1: I guess I'm not as a in a rush now

1467
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 1: to get back. Yeah. So interesting. Well, hopefully let's not

1468
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 1: do that. Um, but hopefully we'll have an update from

1469
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 1: you guys here soon. Um. I think that's gonna do

1470
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 1: it for us today. So good luck hunting to night

1471
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 1: further and Spencer, are you hunting tonight? I'm gonna be hunting. Yes,

1472
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 1: all right, Well, good luck to you too. And I

1473
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 1: think that's a wrap. So that's it. I will just

1474
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 1: echo what I usually do here at the end of

1475
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 1: the podcast and give you a quick reminder to leave

1476
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 1: a rating or review on iTunes to subscribe to the podcast,

1477
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,680
Speaker 1: to subscribe to the wire Done YouTube channel, and to

1478
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 1: follow along with my hunts over on Instagram and Facebook.

1479
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:51,599
Speaker 1: And that will be that. And I guess the only

1480
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 1: thing I need to say after that is thank you,

1481
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 1: Thanks for your time, thanks for following along. Hope you

1482
01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:58,639
Speaker 1: enjoyed these stories. I can't wait to share the rest

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Speaker 1: of the hunting season with you. I've got high hopes

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Speaker 1: for a lot more exciting adventures like this, and I'm

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Speaker 1: hoping for the same things for you. I hope that

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Speaker 1: what you've been learning here on the podcast this year

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Speaker 1: and over the previous years, I'm hoping that that can

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Speaker 1: all help you this season. Hope it pays off. And um,

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Speaker 1: whether it be with meeting the freezer antlers on the

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Speaker 1: wall or just some really great memories, it's all good.

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Speaker 1: So until next time, thank you, and stay Wired to Hunt.