Speaker 1: What's up And welcome back to another episode of No
Speaker 1: Sealers Podcast with your hosts Now fuck that with your
Speaker 1: load glasses Malone.
Speaker 2: So my sole vote just pushed them into the office. Hum,
Speaker 2: that's some cold stuff.
Speaker 3: Doesn't help when you register to vote in fifty states
Speaker 3: either and a mail and mail forwarding system.
Speaker 2: You know what, I'm starting to believe that they did that.
Speaker 2: There was some collusion when it came back. That was
Speaker 2: pretty weird.
Speaker 4: You think.
Speaker 2: That was pretty They made sure his ass wasn't getting
Speaker 2: the office no more.
Speaker 5: This is all your fucking fault, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no it's not. I'm asking.
Speaker 5: You are the problem, bro.
Speaker 1: It's people who be emotionally into all of these situations
Speaker 1: that make it tough. Like you be thinking with your emotions,
Speaker 1: you don't be thinking logically. Look, I don't know who
Speaker 1: is a better candidate for the presidency, Trump or Biden, right,
Speaker 1: Because at the end of the day, like if I
Speaker 1: voted individually right, it'll probably come down the money in taxes.
Speaker 1: That would be the main thing, because I don't have
Speaker 1: no faith and nothing other when it comes to them
Speaker 1: type of white folks at that level doing the right
Speaker 1: thing for black people, everything would have to be like
Speaker 1: a trickle down kind of theory for black people in
Speaker 1: this country to benefit, right, trickle down. I'm not voting
Speaker 1: for white women to get some shit, and then this
Speaker 1: what do you call them? This minority group and this,
Speaker 1: and we at the very bottom. So to me, if
Speaker 1: I voted independently, it would be probably tax reasons right
Speaker 1: where I make money at that's to me what politics
Speaker 1: is about. The second thing would probably be nothing, What
Speaker 1: the fuck difference do the president make? Like what the
Speaker 1: fuck the president may America is committed to war because
Speaker 1: that's the business.
Speaker 5: It's seeing.
Speaker 1: It's always in the war business, what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: at that point it didn't make sense to me. It
Speaker 1: just becomes entertainment.
Speaker 2: Well, Peter, you may be able to help me out
Speaker 2: with this. One of the original reasons for taxation word
Speaker 2: was for times of war, right my correct income text
Speaker 2: income texts, Well.
Speaker 4: Income tax was relatively recent.
Speaker 3: Most everything was really a transactional tax, tariff based stuff
Speaker 3: and all that kind of thing, you know, originally just
Speaker 3: to do basic minimum stuff. Income tax happened what like
Speaker 3: twenty first or twentieth century, I mean, and I think
Speaker 3: that was sort of cloaked and whatever they wanted to
Speaker 3: call it.
Speaker 2: Well, from what I remember reading that, I think one
Speaker 2: of the either world World War two maybe belief so
Speaker 2: that it was put in a place to subsidize the military.
Speaker 2: And it seems like the America has managed to keep
Speaker 2: themselves in the state of war somewhere around the world
Speaker 2: every every month since then.
Speaker 5: I always want to get on World War One?
Speaker 1: Why do you always want to get on those ceilings
Speaker 1: because and try to have these conversations about fucking America
Speaker 1: or something that's gonna piss somebody off.
Speaker 2: Oh no, but we can go. It's your show, bro.
Speaker 2: I was just asking Peter a questions.
Speaker 1: I'm asking a legit question, Like when y'all don't gainst
Speaker 1: the chronicles, y'all be talking about rap shit and rap
Speaker 1: shit and rap shit. You get on this motherfucker. We
Speaker 1: got to scrap one podcast, then we come on another podcast,
Speaker 1: and now you want to talk about taxes and ship
Speaker 1: and all of that.
Speaker 5: Why you want to come over here.
Speaker 1: Don't come over this motherfucking try to sound intelligent. Oh round,
Speaker 1: you could be the same ignorant on the gates of chronicles.
Speaker 1: Don't come over here with our ship. Try to be intelligence.
Speaker 1: Big bro, just come over here with that bullshit.
Speaker 2: Okay, I got you. Then, well, you don't want to
Speaker 2: break the conversation.
Speaker 5: I was just fun I didn't bring the conversation up.
Speaker 5: We don't. You know it's funny.
Speaker 4: He was making conversations about blame.
Speaker 2: Oh you know what I do. Want to talk about
Speaker 2: the funniest stuff in the world. Happened Saturday. Man, That
Speaker 2: tickled me so much. Man, Maria and Jasmine was cracking
Speaker 2: up bad. She had to rescue a wild goat. Hum hm.
Speaker 2: A goat got escaped this cage at the party. We
Speaker 2: was at his niece's your niece, right, gee, yes, we
Speaker 2: was at his niece's birthday party and it was a
Speaker 2: cowboy theme, so they had horses. It's actually pretty cool, goats,
Speaker 2: sheep outside, chickens. It was just it was pretty live anyway.
Speaker 2: One of the goats escaped this cage, right, and that
Speaker 2: other goat just went ape. Shit was out there bad,
Speaker 2: like calling the other got bad, bad bad. And you
Speaker 2: should have saw that goat out there juking that lady. Man,
Speaker 2: that was the funny. She hit that lady with a
Speaker 2: stutter step.
Speaker 5: Man. So we're gonna do a whole podcast about little goats.
Speaker 2: Oh no, it was just funny because Glasses was so calm, like,
Speaker 2: hold on, stop, you know, Glasses just think you know
Speaker 2: how to handle every situation just appropriately. He wound up
Speaker 2: getting the goat and throwing it back over the fence.
Speaker 2: You know, if somebody would have saw that, man, everybody
Speaker 2: is so worried about animal rights. If somebody would have
Speaker 2: saw you throw that goat over that fence, man, you'd
Speaker 2: probably be banning right now today.
Speaker 4: All right now, send the new link.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: He didn't throw it over the gate. He picked it
Speaker 2: up and put it over the gate. But people are
Speaker 2: so sensitive nowadays about stuff like that. They just think
Speaker 2: you should have just let the goat just keep running wild.
Speaker 4: I thought you were gonna say, you know, how were
Speaker 4: you scared? Goats a lot? They just tip over.
Speaker 3: I actually gonna say Glasses fired around off of the goat,
Speaker 3: just dunk like like frozen.
Speaker 2: Fear of the you knowxt thing. Actually, Glasses was the
Speaker 2: hero of that day.
Speaker 5: Called Drakes fan based Peter. That's my new name for
Speaker 5: Drake's fan base. Peter. You're always protecting the owls. Check
Speaker 5: the owl Peter.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: No, it's just weird because I was thinking about what
Speaker 1: do we do on this podcast, and I think the
Speaker 1: only thing I kept coming up with was to do
Speaker 1: a podcast about why we had to replace the original podcast.
Speaker 3: Isn't that kinna just turned into the same podcast all
Speaker 3: over again?
Speaker 5: Though I was thinking about that, it wouldn't. We don't
Speaker 5: have to.
Speaker 1: That's the thing that makes it really dope, and it
Speaker 1: markets o this podcast, the podcast that shall not be named,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, So like that podcast, I
Speaker 1: was thinking, we should do this podcast about the podcast
Speaker 1: that we have to scratch because still fucked up. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we don't have to talk about why we have
Speaker 1: to scrap it. We have to talk about why the
Speaker 1: fuck still felt compelled? Like when these mics, Why is
Speaker 1: it when motherfuckers get these mics in front of them,
Speaker 1: they just lose their mind and just start saying all
Speaker 1: kind of silly.
Speaker 5: Shit, Like they don't realize this shit has.
Speaker 1: Ramification, and it's happening in all podcast spaces, Like you'll
Speaker 1: see somebody say some ship.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Live streams pod is like you put a mic in
Speaker 1: front of a motherfucker and they just turn into satan.
Speaker 2: No, you know what I'm thinking of you, bro. I
Speaker 2: think sometimes you say things and you don't you're not
Speaker 2: really thinking about what you're saying at the time and
Speaker 2: who could possibly impact.
Speaker 1: So why the hell would you not be thinking about that? Still,
Speaker 1: if you're talking like.
Speaker 3: You're a veteran podcaster, so your audience conscious, you know,
Speaker 3: you're not a guest, you know.
Speaker 5: Like that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, a great point. Yeah, you know I should definitely
Speaker 2: know better, and I should hold myself accountable what I did.
Speaker 5: No, you didn't us accountable.
Speaker 4: You held our show accountable.
Speaker 2: No, that's why I'm here with y'all today. You know, y'all,
Speaker 2: I'm y'all number one supporter.
Speaker 4: You are a most frequently recurring guest.
Speaker 5: You definitely are well.
Speaker 1: I feel like still is the reason I do podcasts
Speaker 1: Still one, Charlotmagne two. That's the only reason I do pop.
Speaker 1: I don't really like there's this belief. Let me let
Speaker 1: y'all in on the secret. This gonna sound crazy to
Speaker 1: anybody who knows me, and I understand why I really
Speaker 1: don't like talking, Like you have to really know me,
Speaker 1: if you really have to know me to know that.
Speaker 1: Most people think I like talking because I have something
Speaker 1: to say sometimes or often I don't like talking. When
Speaker 1: me and Still on the phone, Still is doing all
Speaker 1: of the talking. For the most part, I'm listening and
Speaker 1: taking mental notes. When me and Peters talking, I'm always
Speaker 1: kind of getting to my point and getting off his
Speaker 1: fucking phone. I'm never dragging the conversation. So to me,
Speaker 1: people who really know me know that I don't like talking.
Speaker 1: But I think the world see me in these interviews,
Speaker 1: and you know, they don't realize I understand why I
Speaker 1: have to talk, right, but I hate talking like I
Speaker 1: hate talking, Like some of this shit should not have
Speaker 1: to be said. Why the fuck am I talking? So
Speaker 1: I just would like to know why is it went well?
Speaker 1: First off, No Ceilings gl my man, Pete in the spot,
Speaker 1: my big brother Still. We doing another fucking podcast because
Speaker 1: Still fucked up the last podcast.
Speaker 5: It was a really great podcast.
Speaker 1: We had Pete on, we had Still on, we had
Speaker 1: Brett red. It was like a whole no because they
Speaker 1: went all the way over there. They never come in exactly,
Speaker 1: and we had like a whole No Ceilings family podcast
Speaker 1: and y'all can fucking think Stell he fucked it up
Speaker 1: talking shit. So I'm just trying to figure out, like
Speaker 1: I saw a podcast today that I sent to Pete,
Speaker 1: Britt and Red in our little group DM and the
Speaker 1: pod was about like it was a dude just sitting
Speaker 1: up there talking shit about women, and I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: so tired of niggas making podcasts talking shit about girls.
Speaker 1: Oh what does she bring to the table besides pussy?
Speaker 2: Bro?
Speaker 1: Stop saying that. Like I started, I swear on Olivia's soul. Bro,
Speaker 1: I started to go in that man's comments and say, well,
Speaker 1: fuck with a nigga. Bro, stop talking about girls on
Speaker 1: your pocket like it's one thing for us. We have
Speaker 1: nuanced conversations because about women. Right, We'll go into a
Speaker 1: lot of different thoughts. We never take the shallow rout
Speaker 1: of oh, you know, women expect you to buy everything
Speaker 1: and then they.
Speaker 5: Just think they can give you put Bro, what are
Speaker 5: we doing here?
Speaker 1: Like, if all of you men hate women so bad, bro,
Speaker 1: get a dick, Go fuck a man, like the fuck.
Speaker 1: If you think men are so much cooler, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, then go get you a man, because
Speaker 1: I think that's the point.
Speaker 5: I think you just don't know you like men.
Speaker 2: Or just was kind of crazy man, because a man
Speaker 2: is spending most of his free time chasing a woman,
Speaker 2: but then he'll spend the other half of this time
Speaker 2: critiquing him in every way, yeah.
Speaker 4: Or complaining when he got her.
Speaker 3: It'd be like me spending all my money to go
Speaker 3: hunt Elk, bag and elk bring back the Elk costs
Speaker 3: one thousand some dollars to go through all that shit,
Speaker 3: and then I finally get it and just can play God,
Speaker 3: this son of a bitch Elk is so fucking heavy.
Speaker 4: Why did I come up here and do all this bullshit?
Speaker 2: You know what? I think the biggest thing. I think
Speaker 2: the biggest thing, and it's gonna sound crazy and lane,
Speaker 2: but I think it all comes down to communication. I
Speaker 2: think that's as men sometimes really have a difficult time
Speaker 2: communicating with women.
Speaker 1: I don't know if an issue of community. I think
Speaker 1: we did a pod and I explain this to y'all.
Speaker 1: See when we talk about women on those sellers, me
Speaker 1: and Peter Dogg or even me and the girls like
Speaker 1: I have came to the conclusion that we are we
Speaker 1: bear the ultimate mass of the responsibility. That's not to
Speaker 1: say women don't have no responsibility, but like Pete has
Speaker 1: said and coined on this podcast, women Living in the
Speaker 1: world where there's no consequence, there's no accountability. But it's
Speaker 1: also because we live in this Page York on society
Speaker 1: that just it makes sense. It's nothing personal, it's just
Speaker 1: how it go. So you can't hold women to the
Speaker 1: same standards. It's like I was telling you, what's going
Speaker 1: on with you, big bro? It's like, bro, like, what
Speaker 1: are you doing? Like are you thinking this motherfucker is
Speaker 1: going to admit that they're wrong? Nigga, what the fuck
Speaker 1: are you doing?
Speaker 2: Like? You what?
Speaker 5: Come on?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: You've been dealing with women twice as long as me,
Speaker 1: and I know I know better, So I know you
Speaker 1: know better. You think a woman gonna look in the
Speaker 1: mirror and say to themselves, now what I messed up?
Speaker 5: That ain't never happened?
Speaker 2: Still nothing the whole time I've been married, and I've
Speaker 2: been married for thirty.
Speaker 5: You know what to marry years mineus the marriage your mother, Yo,
Speaker 5: Ma could be wrong. It's two left shoes. She barely
Speaker 5: gonna rub you and be like you know what, Uh, Troy,
Speaker 5: I'm so I screwed up. No, she's not. She's gonna
Speaker 5: do something you like as in a sign of an apology.
Speaker 2: She I'm gonna tell you something, I probably got the
Speaker 2: greatest and most patient step there in the world. Good dude.
Speaker 2: I've seen my mama actually antagonize that man talk mess
Speaker 2: and then when I tell her, Mom, leave that man alone,
Speaker 2: she'd tell me to shut up. A mama own business.
Speaker 1: Here, Like she was showing you, she is preparing you
Speaker 1: for the way of the world. She was preparing you.
Speaker 1: She knew watching his Star Wars.
Speaker 2: A man that are watching Star Trek, you know they
Speaker 2: watch Star Trek like they just to rerun the star track.
Speaker 2: He'd be sitting there so peaceful, and she would just
Speaker 2: go in on him about something and he'd be sitting there,
Speaker 2: drinking his coffee and just being just as nice as
Speaker 2: mild manner. And I just look at her antagonize this
Speaker 2: man and say, Mama, why are you bothering him? Oh,
Speaker 2: that don't bother him. You be quiet of mind your
Speaker 2: own business.
Speaker 1: That's just how it go, and there's nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 1: But it's just weird when I see these guys with
Speaker 1: these podcasts.
Speaker 5: And they'd be like, when you bring just about shut up,
Speaker 5: shut the fuck up, Shut the fuck up.
Speaker 2: You know what the meals bro. A lot of podcasts
Speaker 2: is or you know, gee, we actually put a lot
Speaker 2: of time into what we're doing. I think people think
Speaker 2: this stuff is easy. Sometimes. I think we take time
Speaker 2: into thinking that when we go talk about I know,
Speaker 2: I actually have show notes and have a like a
Speaker 2: thing what we want to talk about. I think people
Speaker 2: just going here and just run their mouths sometimes.
Speaker 3: Man, I think that there's a lot of Drake style
Speaker 3: podcasters in the sense that they just go and what's
Speaker 3: the top trending topic on Twitter or amongst podcasts, and
Speaker 3: let me just give my shtick about that. And like,
Speaker 3: as a comedian, it's very parallel to go into a
Speaker 3: lot of comedy shows and you just see whoever the
Speaker 3: hot comedian is. Believe me, you're gonna see six upstart opener,
Speaker 3: shitthead idiot comedians trying to do a knockoff version of
Speaker 3: Kevin Hart or before that it was a knockoff version
Speaker 3: of Martin or whatever, the same fucking goddamn jokes. Like
Speaker 3: that was the one thing I didn't like about original
Speaker 3: kings of comedy. Everybody had a Titanic joke. It was
Speaker 3: the same joke, and you guys are at the same
Speaker 3: fucking stage, but you get kind of this, it's cheaper.
Speaker 4: And easier to copy.
Speaker 3: The guy Who's right, it's easier to make Pepsi than
Speaker 3: it is to invent a goddamn whole.
Speaker 5: New drink Coca Cola. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So one thing being this is our fourth season, and
Speaker 1: I know we're gonna have a fifth season. I think
Speaker 1: I've always went out of my way to make sure
Speaker 1: we don't turn into.
Speaker 5: A gossip show, like a gossip type of podcast.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not mad at that because right now I'm talking,
Speaker 1: it's still about kind of creating that for Friday and Monday,
Speaker 1: where you know, Monday we could talk about everything that
Speaker 1: happened you No, so Friday we could talk about everything
Speaker 1: that happened through the week, and Monday we could talk
Speaker 1: about everything that's supposed to happen during the week and.
Speaker 2: Fun that it's gotchap Bruck think we're kind of delivering news.
Speaker 1: Well, no, because it's the idea that I have to that.
Speaker 1: The idea I have for that is it is a gossip.
Speaker 1: It's based on the news. But like, right, there's a
Speaker 1: woman who how I say this is a woman who
Speaker 1: reads us the news and it's five of us trying
Speaker 1: to give an our opinion on the news. So it
Speaker 1: is a gossip show, and that's fine. I'm not knocking
Speaker 1: a gossip show. Men need of you, men, need of you.
Speaker 1: You know, men of America need their own version of
Speaker 1: the view, right. But I'm saying, you know what it
Speaker 1: is like she shit, the woman should be reporting the
Speaker 1: news to us, and then we're giving our opinion on
Speaker 1: the news. But that shit start being something that's happening
Speaker 1: every day. The reason I don't like that on those ceilings,
Speaker 1: like when you always ask me to talk about what's
Speaker 1: going on currently, I'm like, because somebody may hear this podcast.
Speaker 1: You know, this could be six days away from the news,
Speaker 1: and it's like it's just like Pete saying, the joke
Speaker 1: becomes redundant, the content becomes redundant.
Speaker 5: I don't want to.
Speaker 1: Base this off of my personality being so swell everybody
Speaker 1: wants my opinion on it, because there are certain things
Speaker 1: that happened that I know people care about my opinion on.
Speaker 1: But I also try to wrap the conversation in something
Speaker 1: that's you know, like it could be bury treasure. You
Speaker 1: could find it, you know, twenty years from now, and
Speaker 1: it's still like a bury treasure. It's even more priceless
Speaker 1: than it was when we first recorded the podcast.
Speaker 3: I have an idea for that, like we should we
Speaker 3: could call that sequence of the show the jump in,
Speaker 3: because everyone from our podcast crew was presented a new
Speaker 3: topic and we all just beat the shit out of it.
Speaker 5: That's what I was saying.
Speaker 1: Like, so, but that's to me what the DSB news
Speaker 1: should be, the Digital Soapbox new or ds and news
Speaker 1: should be.
Speaker 5: It should be a Friday around the Horn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Friday where we talked exactly like maybe an octagon,
Speaker 1: the girl in the middle, an octagon, somebody the top, left, right,
Speaker 1: and we're just talking about that specific factor of the news.
Speaker 1: Friday should be about what's happened during the week, and
Speaker 1: Monday should be about the Monday news rights should be
Speaker 1: about what's prepared to happen during the week or what
Speaker 1: happened over the weekend, and then everything for Monday going
Speaker 1: into Friday, like the conversation ahead time.
Speaker 2: I like that as a departure from what we normally
Speaker 2: do because you made a key point earlier. Most of
Speaker 2: the times when we do our podcast, they can't be
Speaker 2: based on current events because we would always be behind
Speaker 2: the news cycle. Kind of so we always have to
Speaker 2: have like really kind of evergreen subject matter when we
Speaker 2: do our podcast, to where whether it's a person that
Speaker 2: here's our podcast for the first time a year from
Speaker 2: now or they here tomorrow is kind of makes sense,
Speaker 2: you feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we have to move to develop a
Speaker 1: show for DSN that's a news based show that's daily.
Speaker 1: I think we I couldn't get planning them to understand
Speaker 1: they roll in that, I couldn't get derailing them to
Speaker 1: understand their role in that as a live streaming program
Speaker 1: like bro, y'all need to be really trying to work
Speaker 1: towards doing.
Speaker 5: This every day.
Speaker 1: They looked at me crazy, and I'm like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: if y'all, if the Homie's not gonna do it, shit,
Speaker 1: we'll do it ourselves. We'll make our own new show.
Speaker 1: They don't want to be over committed. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: let's commit. So we'll start two days a week, right,
Speaker 1: and then as we get the first sign of good
Speaker 1: business happening, and we'll schedule this motherfucker Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
Speaker 1: Thursday and Friday. People need a hip hop perspective on
Speaker 1: the news.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And I think that's where Joe Buttons and
Speaker 2: Academics and those guys did a good job. What was
Speaker 2: the show the Complex had?
Speaker 5: Yeah, but even then that was once every week or
Speaker 5: two weeks or something.
Speaker 2: But no, I think they might have came on like
Speaker 2: a couple of times out of the week.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I'm talking about every fucking day.
Speaker 2: I think it could be things GC. What the problem is.
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be an hour loan thing. It
Speaker 2: can be a thirty minute thing every day, thirty minutes,
Speaker 2: thirty forty minutes, you know, And I think if you
Speaker 2: do that, man, you it can become the source, you know,
Speaker 2: the source of all the information for people in our community.
Speaker 5: Sure, but that.
Speaker 2: News right now is not catered towards us. It's like
Speaker 2: it doesn't talk about stuff really it's important to us,
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, Well, it.
Speaker 1: Is news in the sense because whoever we choose as
Speaker 1: the woman in the center would be reading the consistent news.
Speaker 1: But it becomes more of our of hip hop's take
Speaker 1: on the news right how we see it, and us
Speaker 1: talking about what's going on in our world or things
Speaker 1: that matter to our world.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. That's the catch and it's
Speaker 5: nothing wrong.
Speaker 1: If we devote an hour to it every day, some
Speaker 1: days it should go three hours.
Speaker 5: Listen, if you're.
Speaker 1: Asking people to finance your ability to sit around and talk,
Speaker 1: sit around and talk.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you that these problem meals and me
Speaker 2: and you, I can say you too, because we've kind
Speaker 2: of been in this, Peter too. We've been doing this
Speaker 2: when it wasn't part. We've been doing this before it
Speaker 2: became FOP. I think people look at it now as
Speaker 2: a money grab, like it's a money grab. You can't
Speaker 2: look at this as a money grab. I really believe
Speaker 2: that you have to enjoy podcasting in order to do this,
Speaker 2: even once a week, it's a lot.
Speaker 1: What's funny is I struggle to really enjoy podcasting right
Speaker 1: because to me, like I don't like selling the business
Speaker 1: of idea, Like I don't want to always find myself
Speaker 1: on one exact like life has nuances, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I don't always want to take like if
Speaker 1: somebody snitched, like it could be nuances to it. So
Speaker 1: I don't want to have to sell a gangsteris lifestyle
Speaker 1: where if it looked like it's snitch and I need
Speaker 1: to be on the other end of it, I would
Speaker 1: like to investigate the thought and to me, that's always
Speaker 1: been a setback in my career. Like there's a level
Speaker 1: of like I deal with everything for real, I'm not
Speaker 1: selling people an image that I don't understand. I understand
Speaker 1: what it's like to really be a crip or a
Speaker 1: gang member and the nuances of it from all of
Speaker 1: my older homies and the people that I look up
Speaker 1: to that came before me, and the coaching kind of
Speaker 1: why I would.
Speaker 3: Think that like podcasting would benefit you because it's not
Speaker 3: confined to a short finite you know, headline piece of
Speaker 3: a couple of minutes.
Speaker 4: You actually have the opportunity in.
Speaker 3: A long form hour to dive into nuance and to
Speaker 3: dive into devil's advocacy and counter narratives and perspectives and
Speaker 3: things like that.
Speaker 1: And see that's not and to me, like, I don't
Speaker 1: think that's what I try to do as a human.
Speaker 1: Like that there was I remember still was going through
Speaker 1: the pace calling me a contrarian. I'm like, I'm not
Speaker 1: really a contrarian. Like my problem is, I'm just sober
Speaker 1: all the time, and I listen all the time.
Speaker 5: I'm listening to you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think like if it's pretty obvious.
Speaker 3: I mean, you've opened the show saying you don't like
Speaker 3: to talk, So you are perceived as a contrarian by
Speaker 3: listeners because you sit around listening, and you get pushed
Speaker 3: to a point where it becomes you become compelled to
Speaker 3: talk when everybody else in the rooms saying the same
Speaker 3: stupid shit, and you gotta correct it.
Speaker 4: And now you're a contrier because I.
Speaker 3: Repeat the echo chamber all day to the other interest saying,
Speaker 3: but when it gets to a point where you have
Speaker 3: to speak up, it's now no longer optional.
Speaker 4: Oh he's a contrarian.
Speaker 1: Say that thing then, and I'm not going to rupt you.
Speaker 1: That's exactly my plot. That's been my problem in life
Speaker 1: since I was four. The whole thing again, what happened?
Speaker 4: Take it from the top.
Speaker 3: So we opened the show with Glasses saying that he
Speaker 3: doesn't like talking, and therefore he doesn't do a lot
Speaker 3: of it. So if he's in a room and everybody's
Speaker 3: stating the obvious back and forth in a circular jerk
Speaker 3: echo chamber, he'll just sit there until he gets to
Speaker 3: a point where the most important.
Speaker 4: Fact that they're all missing has to be addressed.
Speaker 3: So he then becomes compelled to speak, and he speaks
Speaker 3: in a way to say the opposite of everybody else
Speaker 3: is saying, when they're always feeding off each other incorrectly.
Speaker 3: And then therefore, because he chooses only to speak up
Speaker 3: when it's a buddly necessary because of his dislikee for talking,
Speaker 3: he becomes perceived thereby as an as a contrary exactly.
Speaker 1: And I was so irritated because I'll be like, I'll
Speaker 1: be trying my best, bro, I'll be like, all right, don't.
Speaker 5: Get involved in that.
Speaker 1: Don't get involved in that, and they'll just keep saying
Speaker 1: some bullshit and it's like telephone because they go from
Speaker 1: bullshit level one to bushit level twelve. Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: just be bushit on top of bus shit on top
Speaker 1: of bullshit. Man, just be saying it like a motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Was on Twitter like, yeah, you know Drake, would you know?
Speaker 1: He said, do you want to fight? And like ten
Speaker 1: people said this. Drake said, you know, if he you know,
Speaker 1: la dudes, y'all West Coast, y'all run phades, and he
Speaker 1: would run his fade. I'm like, bro, Like it took
Speaker 1: ten tweets and finally it happened, Bro, Buff slapped the shit.
Speaker 5: Out of him.
Speaker 1: This dude pissed on him. He is not the guy
Speaker 1: running Phades. And now everybody's fucking mad at me. And
Speaker 1: it's like, y'all like, y'all don't know this motherfucker and
Speaker 1: got bullied and shit and fucked over and he talking about.
Speaker 5: Fighting and y'all actually believe in this shit.
Speaker 1: And then I'll just be right there and guess what now,
Speaker 1: I'm public asshole number one.
Speaker 5: Story of my life. My dad and them would be
Speaker 5: saying some shit and I'd.
Speaker 1: Be like, like, people think I like Trump to to
Speaker 1: fucking like just to be different. I'm like, bro, I
Speaker 1: don't fucking care. I'm telling you who's entertaining. I have
Speaker 1: zero faith in the person that runs this country. There
Speaker 1: has not been a president who has done anything great
Speaker 1: for black people since Abraham Lincoln. I'm not saying other
Speaker 1: presidents having done things, but they do it for minorities.
Speaker 1: That means we at the back end of that, the
Speaker 1: last president in this country who did something for black people,
Speaker 1: what was fucking Abraham Lincoln?
Speaker 2: You know what? And I really feel like this, gee,
Speaker 2: I think a lot of times, especially with the conversations
Speaker 2: that we have on our downtime. I don't think those
Speaker 2: conversations could ever be public because I think we're actually
Speaker 2: a lot more intelligent than every motherfucker that's out there
Speaker 2: just talking, just running their months. A lot of people
Speaker 2: out here just talking just to be talking.
Speaker 5: I hope, man.
Speaker 2: I would say so, man, because if you look at
Speaker 2: some of these guys, especially and not that you know,
Speaker 2: be the digging horse, but going back to the thing
Speaker 2: with dot No Boy from Canada, right, just to hear
Speaker 2: some of these different people's perspectives on it, it was
Speaker 2: just so personal, and I would tell people it's not
Speaker 2: that damn serious.
Speaker 3: The only way that I think that they're smart is
Speaker 3: at that low level of well, I can assess the
Speaker 3: audience in the room. So I'm just going to say
Speaker 3: the thing that stirs them up the most because it
Speaker 3: benefits me the most. But as far as like robustly intellectual.
Speaker 2: No, well, some of these people have really I think
Speaker 2: a lot of people, man, the thing we're not looking
Speaker 2: at a lot of these people have mental problems. I
Speaker 2: saw a lady that had maybe, and you see these
Speaker 2: accounts that have like four followers maybe and they're following
Speaker 2: six thousand people. But they're just literally if you look
Speaker 2: at their page, they just talking mess to everybody. It's
Speaker 2: like almost they want to be heard, so they go
Speaker 2: say the most just acid nine shit. Ever, they don't
Speaker 2: care what they say. I saw some lady say that,
Speaker 2: oh your career. You get these people talking about Glasses career,
Speaker 2: and he's probably more accomplished than ninety eight percent of
Speaker 2: the people on this planet. Right, this man actually makes
Speaker 2: a living doing something he loves, right, which is very
Speaker 2: difficult to accomplish. And you will see somebody man that's
Speaker 2: working at that's maybe working at Burger King or something
Speaker 2: like that. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but
Speaker 2: they telling him about his career. And you got a
Speaker 2: look at these people, like are these people fucking insane?
Speaker 1: What's crazy is in their mind they think I'm telling
Speaker 1: another artist about their career, Like as if I have
Speaker 1: criticism towards Drake's career, I'm like the fuck, like I'm
Speaker 1: judging a rap battle, Like who the fuck can talk
Speaker 1: about what this man was able to accomplish in the
Speaker 1: music business.
Speaker 5: But because of that, they feel like if you have any.
Speaker 1: Gall about what you're talking about, It's like they want
Speaker 1: to compare you to them, and I'm like, well, nigga,
Speaker 1: I'm not comparing myself to Drake. I'm not talking about
Speaker 1: Drake's success or what he's doing. I'm talking about him
Speaker 1: battling a friend of mine. And it's so weird because
Speaker 1: people will talk shit to me and this is what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Pete. It'll be a dude talking shit
Speaker 1: to me, like, yeah, glasses, you're glazing Kendrick, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is my friend. I am supporting. This is my
Speaker 1: real friend that I'm supporting in a battle, and like,
Speaker 1: and it's people who don't know so they don't know.
Speaker 1: They like, you don't even know him, first off, that's
Speaker 1: the funny. That's the funniest thing. Or you don't even
Speaker 1: know him.
Speaker 5: So first off, I know both of these guys. Part two.
Speaker 1: One of them is really my close friend. The other
Speaker 1: one I know I know decent enough too. You don't
Speaker 1: know either one of them, So how would you take us,
Speaker 1: Like you're talking shit to me because I'm supporting Pete.
Speaker 5: I'm Kendrick is my friend. That is my friend, Like
Speaker 5: this is mine.
Speaker 4: He's objectively winning the goddamn thing. You'd have to be
Speaker 4: really streaking your back.
Speaker 5: Otherwise, Pete, he's my friend. He's not even like a
Speaker 5: rapper like a rapper, he's my friend, like.
Speaker 2: He's the homeboy.
Speaker 5: He's the homeboy, like.
Speaker 4: He's close enough a friend to you.
Speaker 3: I know this indirectly, Me and Malcolm and Lucky Rogers
Speaker 3: went to his house and Carson like ten years ago,
Speaker 3: so I know, if he's.
Speaker 4: There, then you know him, right so.
Speaker 1: And then the other guy he's competing with, Drake, I
Speaker 1: know him too.
Speaker 3: You were sight at the same time, right at the
Speaker 3: same t.
Speaker 5: Is.
Speaker 2: All of this stuff is pretty public information that people
Speaker 2: just took their time to go do the research before
Speaker 2: they said they were looking. Oh well yeah, glasses obviously
Speaker 2: know it was this guy. And it's like, and I'll
Speaker 2: never get into that man because somebody told me that
Speaker 2: one time, and I got so many VHS taps, those
Speaker 2: little DVR taps with me and Dot and Jay rocking
Speaker 2: them over there, messed around the studio and constant Carson.
Speaker 2: But I feel like those those moments are personal in
Speaker 2: between us and time. I'm not going to ever take
Speaker 2: those moments and try to kind of like cash in
Speaker 2: on them just to prove get cool points. With people
Speaker 2: that don't matter. Oh you don't think I know him?
Speaker 5: Cool?
Speaker 2: Whatever? You know what I mean? People just talk to again,
Speaker 2: people just talking to be talking, just saying dumb shit,
Speaker 2: just to be saying it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes all they want to do is Google, like it's
Speaker 1: been people who have to he like, you're still not
Speaker 1: gonna get that feature?
Speaker 5: What the fifteenth feature? The fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 2: That's funny, the fifteenth or twentieth one.
Speaker 5: I don't know the fuck.
Speaker 1: How many fucking more features you want me to have
Speaker 1: with this motherfucker? And people feel like Drake, I'm like, dog,
Speaker 1: you don't even I don't want a feature with him.
Speaker 1: That's not to say I don't think Drake is an
Speaker 1: incredible U performing artist. I don't want to rap with Drake,
Speaker 1: and I think it.
Speaker 2: You remember this, and I don't think people know. I
Speaker 2: remember you were signed the Cash Money and you cussed
Speaker 2: me and Pooh out in the restaurant one day because
Speaker 2: we were telling you, hey, man, why don't you just
Speaker 2: move down to Miami and go on the road with
Speaker 2: that Drake dude and Nicki Minaj and Bird way better
Speaker 2: And you said, that's not where I'm trying to do
Speaker 2: with my career. You know, at the time, you said
Speaker 2: that's not what I'm trying to do, and you was
Speaker 2: real upset about that.
Speaker 1: Bro, I cussed out pun problem trail ed, Bro. I
Speaker 1: am certain with who I and what I want my
Speaker 1: brand to be. Even back then, I knew I didn't
Speaker 1: want to mix it with him. That's not to say
Speaker 1: anything's wrong, and I'm not knocking nobody who does want
Speaker 1: to mix their brand with him. But honestly, Bro, yes,
Speaker 1: what I if I did a record with Drake? Would
Speaker 1: I be more successful than I am now?
Speaker 5: You know? Business wise? Sure, I'd probably be making more
Speaker 5: money if me.
Speaker 1: If I went and kind of got with Drake and
Speaker 1: was like okay i' and I just kind of got
Speaker 1: with the program, would I be making more money?
Speaker 5: Sure? But do I need to make more money?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 5: Do I take care of myself find? Sure? Do I
Speaker 5: have low riders and shit? Yes? Do I got shit?
Speaker 5: I like? Yes? Am I struggling to take care of
Speaker 5: my family?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: I mean, am I struggling to do right by my people?
Speaker 4: Know?
Speaker 5: Can I have more opportunities to help more people? Yes?
Speaker 1: But guess what if I need to take more time
Speaker 1: so I could look in the mirror every day.
Speaker 5: With my brand and be proud of who I am.
Speaker 1: I'll do it. Everybody else can kiss my ass. I mean,
Speaker 1: you'll figure it out when you fucking figure it out.
Speaker 1: But I don't want to dilute my brand. Like I
Speaker 1: don't want that, you know what I'm saying. Like, I'm
Speaker 1: proud of surviving the shit I survive. I'm proud of
Speaker 1: the people that survived it with me. I'm proud of
Speaker 1: the representation. I'm proud when I go on the boulevard
Speaker 1: and people, you know, see me in the Gangsters.
Speaker 5: I was at that We was at that.
Speaker 1: Party and somebody say, Man, you the last real nigga left.
Speaker 1: That drives me, You know what I mean, if anything
Speaker 1: mattered to me. The bank account don't drive me. I
Speaker 1: get it. Shout out to everybody that the bank account
Speaker 1: is driving them. You know that's probably why you and
Speaker 1: puff is cool. You might be taking penis if you
Speaker 1: let the bank account drive you. I'm not mad at it.
Speaker 1: The bank account don't drive me. What drives me is
Speaker 1: the ability to look in the mirror and say to myself,
Speaker 1: I did it the correct way. I didn't sell it out,
Speaker 1: and I have never sold this shit out never everybody else,
Speaker 1: you know, they going, I'm not mad at them. Money
Speaker 1: matters to people. It don't matter enough to me to
Speaker 1: where I'm gonna just sell out my brains.
Speaker 4: I got a question, like, this's the industry question, like
Speaker 4: for every.
Speaker 3: Like that's closing up to Drake, is not a guarantee.
Speaker 3: How many rappers were on that song, Like the Young
Speaker 3: Money album that they did, it was on like Steady
Speaker 3: Mob and all that shit that no one knows.
Speaker 4: Where the fuck they are.
Speaker 3: You could be two pistols getting the song from t
Speaker 3: Pain what happened to that guy? If you don't have
Speaker 3: some independent gravity around your own name and your own brand,
Speaker 3: then you're just sewing so's nameless, faceless sidekick on a song,
Speaker 3: even if it's your own fucking song.
Speaker 5: That's true.
Speaker 3: So I don't even think that this is guarantee early
Speaker 3: on in your career.
Speaker 4: That that's a pathway to success.
Speaker 3: It's a pathway to one fucking song, and that's it.
Speaker 2: Of course's pathway to getting stuck. Because I'm gonna tell you,
Speaker 2: I tell glasses all the time, and I believe everything
Speaker 2: works out the way it's supposed to. Because the glasses
Speaker 2: sounds very good over Southern beats. He sounds very good.
Speaker 2: He ridsed them motherfuckers like a beast cruiser. He sound good.
Speaker 2: I think Glasses would have very much been suffering through
Speaker 2: and I think an incredible identity crisis had he done
Speaker 2: what everybody else wanted them to do. And I'm kind
Speaker 2: of glad he went and did what he's doing up
Speaker 2: because that's why he's still here. He might have had
Speaker 2: an incredible career going that route, rapping over tone beats,
Speaker 2: rapping over this person's beats, rapping over Manny Fresh and stuff.
Speaker 2: He sounded good, but it had been one of those
Speaker 2: things where eventually people are to connect. It was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this dude is from Watts Compton, but he sounds like this,
Speaker 2: and it had probably been over with. They just moved
Speaker 2: on past them, because whenever something is not authentic, people
Speaker 2: move past it, whether they know it. And I think
Speaker 2: sometimes even on the subconscious level think about it. What's
Speaker 2: the homie from Long Beach not saying his career is
Speaker 2: just over, but he has a huge correction. And I
Speaker 2: think that's the problem with Genesis, Genesis Genesis. He's made
Speaker 2: those records, those records examine. He makes jamin ass music.
Speaker 2: But okay, you for long Beach Dog and you sound
Speaker 2: like this.
Speaker 1: I've been saying this to people for a while because
Speaker 1: you know, it's a confusion between previous generations and hip
Speaker 1: hop versus today's generation of hip hop audience. And they
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of previous generation, previous generations of
Speaker 1: hip hop are harder on the modern generation of hip
Speaker 1: hop because they feel like, you know, they say the
Speaker 1: music isn't good, and you know, you got the young
Speaker 1: rappers coming up, like, oh may y'all just saying that
Speaker 1: because it's not what y'all used to listen to or
Speaker 1: what y'all used to make. And I kind of stay
Speaker 1: out of it, but I will say this is the problem.
Speaker 1: The problem is today music is not consumed by what
Speaker 1: you hear first, so the records don't have to be
Speaker 1: as good. Everything about hip hop for the most part,
Speaker 1: is consumed by what you see first.
Speaker 5: That's where it's changed, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it's about music that fits the brand of what
Speaker 1: you see.
Speaker 5: That's what a good song is today.
Speaker 1: Well, obviously, when I was a little kid, you didn't
Speaker 1: see ice Cube like that.
Speaker 5: You heard it, so they had to put more.
Speaker 1: Into the record to tell you everything about their brand
Speaker 1: in the record, so and then it had to be
Speaker 1: catchy so we could keep hearing it versus today where
Speaker 1: I knew, like I said I've said multiple times on
Speaker 1: this podcast, on those ceilings, I knew who Little UZI was,
Speaker 1: twenty one Savage was, Kodak Black was, Little YACHTI was,
Speaker 1: and Extant I see on Rest in Peace was before
Speaker 1: I heard one song from them, I knew who they were.
Speaker 1: If I saw them walking down the street, before I
Speaker 1: heard a Kodak Black, I could point him out, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, Oh that's Kodak Black. Oh that's
Speaker 1: twenty one Savage. Oh that's extenst. Oh that's Little YACHTI.
Speaker 1: Oh that's Little Uzy I. That's how great their brand
Speaker 1: was of like the iory like right, I Instagram allowed
Speaker 1: me into the space of knowing who.
Speaker 5: They were as stars before I heard one song.
Speaker 2: That amazed me about you, bro, because I thought I
Speaker 2: was hitping you to something by hitping you the Big Frank,
Speaker 2: by telling you about Big Frank, you had already know
Speaker 2: who he was. You had already been followed. My said,
Speaker 2: you knew about Big.
Speaker 1: Frank vies to the flow right now, hit it up,
Speaker 1: tell you how you get damn hey, yeah, but I'm
Speaker 1: on hip hop so ever since like right still, when
Speaker 1: I first came, when we first met, right when I
Speaker 1: was just culture, when I was just this little southern
Speaker 1: California cultural figure that niggas knew was very much the
Speaker 1: culture bathed in the iced t always tell me I
Speaker 1: just sound so much like every part of La right,
Speaker 1: And I didn't understand hip hop, but when I start
Speaker 1: figuring it out, like it really meant more. But even
Speaker 1: earlier I was always intrigued with it without even knowing.
Speaker 1: Like I remember going to Cincinnati and seeing this guy
Speaker 1: named Cross. I'm with Chris and the young Guns shut
Speaker 1: Out to the Guns, and we go to a concert
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati and I'm watching it's a guy named Cross,
Speaker 1: and they have all of this movement, do the.
Speaker 5: Sound salm, do the sound salm, now.
Speaker 1: Murk out, and they had this whole movement of dancing
Speaker 1: right down, do the down the way, you know, and
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 5: All these dances, and I was just intriguing.
Speaker 1: I remember coming back home telling all the hommies like,
Speaker 1: and these Cincinnati niggas got it popping. I remember when
Speaker 1: Certified was the biggest song in Dallas. It was a
Speaker 1: number one song at both radio stations. And I would
Speaker 1: go down there and do a concert and nobody knew
Speaker 1: what was happening in Dallas.
Speaker 5: But I would go there and I would see.
Speaker 1: This music in the sound and I was I remember
Speaker 1: being in this club and they were three, four or
Speaker 1: five thousand people dancing in a circle.
Speaker 5: They're dancing in a circle and they doing it, do
Speaker 5: the stanky leg, do.
Speaker 1: The Frankie and they just going crazy, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck? And I remember just being intrigued and
Speaker 1: going crazy. And I came back home right and nobody
Speaker 1: knew what was going on. And I went to a
Speaker 1: game with you to watch Chris play. I don't know
Speaker 1: what was going on, or we were somewhere looking at
Speaker 1: something else. I was at a game at Domingas and
Speaker 1: a month later, dude scored a touchdown and he started
Speaker 1: doing a Frankie leg.
Speaker 5: And two months later I heard it on the railo
Speaker 5: the first time.
Speaker 1: So I love watching hip hop. You know when you
Speaker 1: plant that seed that them Bronx dudes made, and you
Speaker 1: put that seed in the Dallas ghetto and it pops
Speaker 1: up with you know, the music and how they moving
Speaker 1: and how they rapping. I love it. So back to Milwaukee.
Speaker 1: It's a guy named Steve de Stoner.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: This is about two and a half three years old,
Speaker 1: and you plant that seed in Milwaukee in the four
Speaker 1: one four and so i was watching Steve the Stoner
Speaker 1: and I'm watching him do this dancing.
Speaker 5: Niggas is talking shit, they like.
Speaker 1: Oh he's twerking, he's looking back and I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: this nigga really feeling it, like and I don't think
Speaker 1: this dude is no pushover.
Speaker 5: He can.
Speaker 1: So then as I'm watching it, I'm seeing the other
Speaker 1: scenes developed. I'm seeing Big Frank, I'm seeing JP, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm seeing Maya p. I'm seeing Big K you know, Kennedy. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm seeing the scene come about. And guess what, Now
Speaker 1: I'm connecting it. Okay, shout out to the Onmie Twine,
Speaker 1: shout out to a cousin do the marketing that Milwaukee.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he got p A p KP the playmaker. Right.
Speaker 1: So I'm watching it, connecting all the docs and now
Speaker 1: so I've been tuned into.
Speaker 5: It for two three years.
Speaker 1: So it's dope to watch that hip hop scene when
Speaker 1: you play it in that ghetto of Milwaukee in it
Speaker 1: pop out and they move in a certain way, and
Speaker 1: I love it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: I love him.
Speaker 2: I love it. It's amazing because you don't know what
Speaker 2: culture like. I don't think I told you this. He's
Speaker 2: trying to bring itself for the Gangster Chronicles because it's
Speaker 2: a big thing. He's like, man, when Big Franklin was
Speaker 2: out here, they was like trying to make me go
Speaker 2: through the show for them that they they wasn't the townhole.
Speaker 2: When I was explaining to him, bro, I just can't
Speaker 2: just get up with eight like that, but they was like, man,
Speaker 2: it's the shit they was looking at that. They was
Speaker 2: almost upset to the point they had to go to
Speaker 2: No Jumper. No Jumper is a huge platform and they
Speaker 2: was like, well, damn, we want to be on there
Speaker 2: with you and eight. And it's just crazy how culture
Speaker 2: just where culture catches at.
Speaker 1: And it's crazy because it only grows in the ghetto.
Speaker 1: How don't given fuck which ghetto you plant it in
Speaker 1: Northern Italy, in the ghetto you get pizza, you planning
Speaker 1: it in the ghettos of Mexico. You get tacos. Listen, man,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I'm in love with
Speaker 1: that part of it. And that's the thing, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, I love this shit. That's why
Speaker 1: nobody that's why I rightfully shaw him the furi of
Speaker 1: hip hop, because nobody else is going to protect it
Speaker 1: with the vigor that I am. Nobody else loves it
Speaker 1: as much as I do. I don't love everything just good.
Speaker 1: I love no matter what the challenge of it is.
Speaker 1: I embrace it all. So I'm always proud of every
Speaker 1: aspect that happens. And even right now as we're starting
Speaker 1: to build right, dsn right, We're starting to build it,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Okay, look, these are the first two things.
Speaker 5: Okay, let's figure out, Pete. Thing, Let's figure it out.
Speaker 1: Like I love being a part of things building, especially things.
Speaker 5: That are culture. Like I love this shit. I love
Speaker 5: culture like I just love it. Man.
Speaker 1: I love how poor people figure it out. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't got the best education right in English, Pete,
Speaker 1: but guess what, you still got to communicate and you
Speaker 1: start making words work.
Speaker 5: People don't like that. I love it.
Speaker 1: I love when people figure it out. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean they like, well, I need to be able
Speaker 1: to talk, so I don't have the Queen's English, that
Speaker 1: that opportunity. Nobody's teaching me that. But guess what, I
Speaker 1: still need to tell this motherfucker what I want.
Speaker 5: That's slang. I love that shit.
Speaker 4: I don't disagree with that. Actually, I mean like it's
Speaker 4: just a communication medium.
Speaker 3: All the formal fancy languages is the user of it,
Speaker 3: and often cases trying to say my idea might be
Speaker 3: worse than yours, but I want to be perceived as
Speaker 3: smarter than use someone to say it like this, and
Speaker 3: you know the rest is history. But the other guy
Speaker 3: might have a better idea. But if you could communicate,
Speaker 3: move the thing from over here to over there and
Speaker 3: put it like that, then.
Speaker 4: Move it over there, put it like fucking that, that's
Speaker 4: all you need to know.
Speaker 5: That's what I feel like hip hop. Hip hop is
Speaker 5: not taking the crosswalk.
Speaker 1: I feel like the mainstream music pop music is taking
Speaker 1: a crosswalk, walking down the street, taking across walk, and
Speaker 1: walking back down the street. Hip hop, you just jwalk. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's get the point a point be fast as possible.
Speaker 2: Analogy. Have y'all heard about this lady, and this is
Speaker 2: going over to some whole other ship. Man. The lady
Speaker 2: that was the she was a diversity manager for Facebook
Speaker 2: and Nike. Oh yeah, and for a lot of people
Speaker 2: that don't know what a diversity manager is. A diversity
Speaker 2: manager is there to make sure everything is equitable to
Speaker 2: you know, opportunities to present the black people or Hispanic
Speaker 2: people or whatever. She's five million dollars dog. She she
Speaker 2: was doing it that Facebook, and then she went over
Speaker 2: to Nike. He was doing it again. Man, This girl
Speaker 2: on fucked off a really good opportunity and fucked off
Speaker 2: a lot of funding for brothers and sisters too. While
Speaker 2: she was at it, she was giving a breade to
Speaker 2: her husband and her friends.
Speaker 4: And because there's a whole.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's an onslaught of various diversity officers at
Speaker 3: universities and stuff like the nation over there being kind
Speaker 3: of like audited.
Speaker 5: Right now, and the.
Speaker 3: Like rampant what's the what's the word when you copy
Speaker 3: people's paperwork in school?
Speaker 2: Plagiarism?
Speaker 3: Plagiarism, A lot of plagiarism scandals in academia in that
Speaker 3: particular department, like coast to coast. So it's not a
Speaker 3: good time for that particular group's image right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she got five years, man, she could do every
Speaker 2: bit of that time to a.
Speaker 3: Former five taking five million dollars, I would do that tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Fuck if I could sneak one million off into some
Speaker 3: weird crypto wormhole and it SAYSSED four, I would take
Speaker 3: five years, laughing get off.
Speaker 2: Who pleaded guilty the wire fraud in the case in December,
Speaker 2: stole more than four point nine million from Facebook, utilizing
Speaker 2: a scheme involving fraudulent vendors, fake invoices and cash kickbacks,
Speaker 2: said Atlanta US attorney Rhyme. You can Furlough Smiles thirty
Speaker 2: eight used the money she stole the fund of luxury
Speaker 2: lifestyle in California, Georgia, and Oregon, According to the Buchanan's office, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Barbara Furlough Smiles as a.
Speaker 3: Middle name Furlough. What happens when they pay you after
Speaker 3: you've been on strike.
Speaker 2: Five years and three months in prison for stilling more
Speaker 2: than five million from those companies that had been earmarked
Speaker 2: for DEI initiatives, federal prosecutor said Georgia resident Barbara Furlow Smiles,
Speaker 2: who pleaded guilty the wirefire in the case of December
Speaker 2: stole more than four point nine million from Facebook. Damn
Speaker 2: man she was given After being terminated from Facebook, she
Speaker 2: brazenly continued the fraud as a DEI leader at Nike,
Speaker 2: where she stole another six figure stumb from the diversity
Speaker 2: program she used the money to fund of them. She
Speaker 2: was the lead strategist and global head of Employee Resource
Speaker 2: Groups and diversity Engagement at Facebook, the subsidiary of Meta.
Speaker 2: She was not Facebook's top exec for diversity, equity and
Speaker 2: inclusion off efforts. That's crazy, thog. She fucked up her career.
Speaker 2: She fucked up a good career and stole a lot
Speaker 2: of money. That's probably why we could never elexib Be
Speaker 2: for none of that shick she's she was getting the
Speaker 2: fucking money.
Speaker 5: Man, We not wasn't in business with her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know how many times I applied for that?
Speaker 2: A couple of times man forradicital soap box, and we're
Speaker 2: getting because I would get all the way to the end.
Speaker 1: You know how they call you, Barbara dumbs your ship
Speaker 1: down because you wasn't with the program.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you gotta give her, you know, the dumbs your
Speaker 5: ship down because you wasn't with the program.
Speaker 2: You know what you know what, man, I'm trying to think.
Speaker 2: I might have got asked to give a kickback in
Speaker 2: one of them situations, and I was mad and the
Speaker 2: motherfucker and said, hell no, if.
Speaker 4: Someone asked to give a kickback, give them the kickback.
Speaker 5: See, y'all don't know. This is why white people ahead
Speaker 5: in business.
Speaker 4: See y'all be thinking treat Frank Lucas and Gambino.
Speaker 3: Gambino paid his taxes, Frank Lucas didn't.
Speaker 4: That's the only difference.
Speaker 1: You gotta pay your taxes on the drug money. You
Speaker 1: gotta pay the play.
Speaker 2: That's crazy, man. So if a motherfucker give you three
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars, they want one hundred back. You don't
Speaker 2: think that's a bit.
Speaker 3: You just got two hundred thousand dollars congratulations.
Speaker 2: No, what the money is supposed to be there to
Speaker 2: do for people? See that's the thing. If I'm in
Speaker 2: a position like that, I'm not taking no money from nobody.
Speaker 4: Is three hundred thousand dollars two for me?
Speaker 2: What for you?
Speaker 5: It did for people?
Speaker 1: Yes, And I'm gonna talk you fifteen. I'm gonna buy
Speaker 1: you a little civic. Put your money in the back seat.
Speaker 1: This little civic. Yeah, write that civic off.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know what, man, that's just Oh, I don't
Speaker 2: understand people, man.
Speaker 5: I get it.
Speaker 1: I think I don't understand how people be A and
Speaker 1: R is that at these jobs and then they be
Speaker 1: there all these years and only sign two.
Speaker 2: People because they just trying to have a job. You
Speaker 2: know what, man, When I got my A and R job,
Speaker 2: I really tried to give everybody I thought had talent
Speaker 2: a deal.
Speaker 5: That's true.
Speaker 2: I really tried to dog but they only let me
Speaker 2: out all the people I brought. Imagine, I bought the
Speaker 2: motherfucker's you glasses. Guess what deal. I bought them from
Speaker 2: top top one Again, you can ask top this is
Speaker 2: a true story Top one to maybe I think two
Speaker 2: fifty three hundred thousand, just because you know, they had
Speaker 2: been rocking with him for a while. He wanted to
Speaker 2: just give him a little bit of money. He wanted to,
Speaker 2: you know, buy into their published and give them a
Speaker 2: little bit of bread. Right. Those people told me, man,
Speaker 2: that them people wasn't gonna never go nowhere. They said, oh,
Speaker 2: this would be a waste of money. Nobody's ever going
Speaker 2: to take them serious.
Speaker 5: M hm.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine what that would have with that return
Speaker 2: would have been like had they let their head of
Speaker 2: urban music just do his fucking job.
Speaker 1: Who was that Kendrick Lamar j Rock talking about TV
Speaker 1: when he an r is the publishing company he took
Speaker 1: him a TD deal that top Dog wanted to take
Speaker 1: him and they didn't see the value any So obviously
Speaker 1: you're looking at Kendrick Lamar j Rock school wy Q.
Speaker 5: You gotta be kidding.
Speaker 2: The money they have made their money just back, just
Speaker 2: just that fucking quick.
Speaker 3: They made their money back every weekend for several weekends
Speaker 3: in a row, several several several weekends.
Speaker 2: In a row. I was mad. I was mad about
Speaker 2: that when they said they'd do a deal for G
Speaker 2: but after the album come out and they wanted to
Speaker 2: come out through cash, like it was just weird shit.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: Then they didn't see the thing because Jay Rock you know,
Speaker 2: that's when Warner Brothers kept pushing back on Jay Rock Ship.
Speaker 2: They didn't think the albums would ever come out, so
Speaker 2: that's all they kept looking at. They didn't look at
Speaker 2: none of the other They didn't look at k I
Speaker 2: Ab so none of them. I thought them people were
Speaker 2: stupid as hell. They almost did a deal with sound
Speaker 2: Way if they liked sound Way, but they wanted to
Speaker 2: fuck him so bad. I was glad sound Wave didn't
Speaker 2: take that deal.
Speaker 5: Shout out to Beth be was shying their best.
Speaker 4: I want to make a teaser.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't made at them, but they it wasn't Beth.
Speaker 2: If it was just Bef was done, it was John.
Speaker 2: He was so busy saying know that every motherfucking thing.
Speaker 2: He then look at it. They son he understood the
Speaker 2: culture of hip hop. But I knew he wasn't gonna
Speaker 2: be that one because he said that if it wasn't
Speaker 2: for eminem hip hop wouldn't be what it is.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: He just was one of them dudes. He didn't understand
Speaker 2: what hip hop was, so he should have just shut
Speaker 2: the fuck up. If they didn't shut the fuck up
Speaker 2: and enjoyed the show and let me do my job. Gee, man,
Speaker 2: we be sitting it wouldn't be no conversation about nothing.
Speaker 2: I'd be picking up the phone. Hey'all need you to
Speaker 2: open up this budget for my homeboy? Man, give shoot
Speaker 2: them two million click. It'd been that because that's what
Speaker 2: the industry, he was. The industry is based on what
Speaker 2: you've done, not what you go.
Speaker 3: Do, and that to be Like I said, I want
Speaker 3: to do a teaser. I really want to do another
Speaker 3: episode on this concept right now. How big business plays
Speaker 3: from ahead and it's how can this not work? Thriving
Speaker 3: small businesses, it's how can this work? There's an optimism there.
Speaker 3: Innovation comes from the small because the big things and
Speaker 3: a different risk calculation.
Speaker 4: They have something to lose.
Speaker 3: We can't just give two million dollars every time Digging
Speaker 3: Harry walks through the door. We have a risk calculation
Speaker 3: to our budget, whereas a smaller company goes. We gotta
Speaker 3: somehow make this money. So we gotta we gotta take
Speaker 3: a risk, we gotta take input. This outside of the normal.
Speaker 3: We got to figure out a way to get this
Speaker 3: fast and get it big.
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Speaker 5: Yeah