WEBVTT - Greatest Sports Villain with Langston Kerman 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:03.680 Welcome to the Greatest, a production of I Heart Radio. 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:13.520 All right, and welcome to another episode of the Greatest. 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:17.599 Quarantine is still happening. Uh, we are trapped. I don't 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:20.119 want to say trapped. It seems harsh, but I'm joined 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:22.640 by my co host and my wife here, Megan Gaily. 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:28.040 You say co host person, I said wife and co host. 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:30.800 These are the type of nitpicky fights of Quarantine could 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:33.400 bring out of you. We are in our new Quarantine 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:36.479 podcast studio right next to our washing machines. That is 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:41.960 our laundry room. I am coming to you smashed between 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:47.639 our back door and our dryer construction next door. But 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:50.720 a man with a ponytail moved in next door and 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:53.680 I I don't feel good about it, that's all. It's 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:56.960 blonde and it's long and I and I want to know. 0:00:57.000 --> 0:01:00.560 I want to see his finances. Also, um, we have 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:03.400 a very special guest today. This is our first time 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:07.880 having a guest from from the phone from the beyond, 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:11.360 but it sounds pretty good. He is a dear friend. 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:16.640 You will recognize him from Insecure. Bless This Mess a 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:22.440 Comedy Central half hour handsome, smart, funny. Please welcome Langston Kerman, 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:28.679 Body thank you for joining us. How how are you doing? 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:32.080 Having just a very general question, I'm fine. One of 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:35.920 my neighbors have blonde pony tails. I'm doing great. I 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:39.960 couldn't be happier with my circumstances. Lincon. You got married 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:44.920 in October. We got married in December. I have been 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:47.280 getting a lot of texts that are like, how are 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:52.280 the newly Lands to it? Like everyone series to think 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:56.840 that maybe one of us has killed thee. I feel 0:01:56.880 --> 0:01:59.840 like most most of the communication has like an under 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:05.480 don't remember not to beat your wife? All right, Okay, 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:08.240 I wasn't planning on it, but if you keep bringing 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:11.560 it up, feel like, yeah, a lot of people to 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:14.160 have been like you know that first year, it's it's hard, 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:18.440 and I'm like, what were you going through? We've been 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:21.639 locked in a house together and and I think we're 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:24.600 going to make it. Yeah, I think we're gonna be okay. 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:27.400 I will say that it's it's been extremely helpful to 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:31.800 have enough space that like you can separate rooms and 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:34.280 just be like, Okay, I won't see you till seven 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:38.080 and then we're good. Like then we can just be normal, 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:40.600 as opposed to if I had to just like look 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:43.359 at you all day. Some of those texts would make 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:45.720 more sense. You know what I mean, We've been we've 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:49.280 been taking time apart. We've been taking times apart. But yeah, 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:51.240 it's like, I mean, not gonna not to make this 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:53.240 a therapy session, but it is. It's tough. It's just 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:55.680 like how do you say, how was your day? It's like, 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:59.800 you know, how my day was? Like I was about 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:01.480 to you the other day. I was like, man, I 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:03.680 quit comedy, like stand up five years ago, and I 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:06.320 came back and then up like I got I got 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:08.160 burned out on comedy. But now I'm married to a 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:10.480 stand up comedian in the shows are happening in my 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:17.400 living like you came back and then comedy died. It died. 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:19.440 But it's like creeping from the grave in the most 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:26.400 annoying way possible, where she's just like what it was, Megan, 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:28.240 you were doing a show yesterday, and I want to 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:31.280 hear Langston how your spouse is dealing with this, But 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:36.240 like I am now criticizing Megan's energy levels per show. 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:38.520 I was like, oh that one sounded that was that 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:41.720 like a TV taping Like she like got makeup on 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:45.160 and everything, and like yeah, I'm like, I still I 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:47.760 don't know if you're you're showing up for all of 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:49.720 them the same way you showed up for that one. 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:54.840 I've been pretty much avoiding those. Oh yeah, yeah, what's 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.360 your feelings on it? I I mean, I'm not mad 0:03:57.400 --> 0:03:59.640 at anybody for doing it. I think it's it's a 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:03.680 cow words. Uh, it's a cowards choice to go. Ah, 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:06.440 you look like an idiot when you're doing a thing 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:08.760 that you love, even in a way that isn't the 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:11.920 way we love it. But like, boy, is it uncomfortable 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:15.560 for me? And I can't bring myself to uh settle 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:21.280 into that quite yet, but I'm sure I will. Desperation exactly. 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:25.120 I almost feel comfortable doing it because my stand up 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:30.320 has always felt like a manic breakdown. So now like 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:35.240 I am unfortunately very well suited for zoom comedy. Like well, 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:38.640 I think you're you're such a your style is so 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:42.560 conversational that that you can almost settle into it and 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:49.200 just be uh talking. And I think that I had 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:51.520 years of my career where I haven't heard laugh. So 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:55.240 I'll just look at the spring of Yeah, yeah, I 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:58.599 bombed more than usual, but good stuff out of that. 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:01.680 I do feel got. For me, the hardest thing is 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:06.160 actually thinking about the last couple of shows that I 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:09.200 did before Quarantine, you know what I mean, Like there 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:12.000 were those like that last run where you were just 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:15.120 sort of like I went and did the Improv Lab 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:18.840 as the last show and I just got to live 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:22.640 with that till October. And that was like the early 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:25.000 advice that we would get was like, you know what, 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:27.919 you're gonna do bad shows, but there's always another say no. 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:30.520 I don't say no like you're gonna you know, you 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:32.360 might learn something there, and it's just like, yeah, I 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:34.160 might have learned something from that bad show, but then 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:36.920 there might never be a good show again. It could 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:40.000 have been the last show. Speaking of the Improv Lab, 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:42.920 you and I were in the Improv Lab when the 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:46.560 strongest earthquake that I've ever felt since living in l A. 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:50.400 How did And I remember watching the wine glasses shaking 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:53.279 and I was like, I cannot believe I'm going to 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:59.000 die and you call me room sidekick, like so like 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:01.200 Jack had just out in a tesla and I was like, 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:06.440 I haven't even seen his day. I haven't even seen 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:12.120 another man's. But we saw that tesla. We survived it. Was. 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:15.480 It was a pretty scary thing and it was unbelievable 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:20.839 that that audience didn't leave. They had they had all 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:24.719 the reasons. The show was not really even going that well. No, 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:28.360 it was not going well. Did well? You did well? Well? 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:34.520 You guys took some ls for me and survived an earthquake. So, Langston, 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:39.359 you are from Chicago, from Chicago Park, Illinois. Just in 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:42.680 case anybody wants to fistfight, did you go to Oak 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:46.240 Park River Forest High School? I did? How do you 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:48.520 know that so? Well? That rolled off your tongue real easy. Well, 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:52.480 you always like how you said it. It's like r 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:58.120 H say like that. I like to I like to 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:02.520 be in with the suburbs too, you know, lady, I've 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:06.680 ever the suburbs, and I like to keep track of 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:10.080 what Hinsdale is. Oh, I've got I've got the pulse 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:12.080 of Hinsdale. I can get somebody on the phone right 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:15.560 now that can give us a UM. You you are 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:18.120 a huge sports fan. You have like one of my 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:23.560 favorite bulls jokes. I guess so basketball jokes, Bulls jokes 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:28.120 specifically Benny the Bull joke. Mascots NBA mascots really, HI 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.960 love so much Seeah, it's you know, it's a hard 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:36.360 personal truth that I have to on earth that my 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:40.160 mother's former husband was Benny the bullet one point in 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:45.400 his life and uh also a very very very very 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:50.280 sick alcoholic. Both of those things can't be true apparently. Wait, so, 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:51.720 I don't even know if I've talked to you at 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:54.000 length about this, but are you a Bulls fan? Where you? 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:56.239 I mean, obviously you came up during the nineties, Bulls 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:58.840 are do you consider them your team? Yeah? I don't 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:01.720 think you could have been anything but a bull stand 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:04.520 in the nineties unless you were, like, you know, one 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:07.440 of those you know, I guess the Lakers kids probably 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:11.480 always just stayed Lakers kids, and the you know, the 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:15.000 Rockets had a second where like they seemed like they mattered. 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:19.160 But like, yeah, it was like I was a die 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:22.960 hard Michael Jordan's fan, and now I know he's a 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:26.960 human trash. I wonder, I wonder if he'll come up today. 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:31.520 I'm sure I see. And that was a difficult. Uh, 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:35.040 this was much more challenging than I anticipated to put together. 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:39.280 We are going to be doing Greatest Villains today and 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:44.360 the greatest sports villains specifically, and maybe that first. Yeah. 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:48.440 I actually was like asking c J questions in bed today, 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:52.320 being like, now, now villains, we want for someone to 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:55.080 be considered the greatest villain, They've got to have some 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:58.760 level of like this was fun. Like I was like, 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:02.520 because if it was me, we're just picking like worse person, 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.560 I'd be like, I guess I gotta go with O Jay, 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:12.320 we go yeah if we don't mention that, and people 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:15.760 have a different definition as episode, but it's like as 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:18.560 an athlete, not really a villain, as a as a husband, 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:21.240 a giant villain. I love that that we just skip 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:27.960 okay and go Tim Duncan terrible man. He beats the 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:31.440 worst thing you can do. So so I'm just saying 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:34.319 that to define that, my choices today will be coming 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:37.280 from a place of like I don't like them, they're 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:42.240 fun to root against, and they do. They accepted that. Yeah, 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:46.080 they played the heel like it's a very we have 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:48.199 to take like a page from wrestling of like they 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:50.160 kind of know they're the villain and they're kind of 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:53.760 leaning into it in some ways. Yeah, that's I think 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:58.040 I came from a similar place of somebody who was 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:01.720 okay with taking on the position that they took on 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:06.920 and in some cases were legitimately awful people absolutely while 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:09.960 simultaneously being really but they also I think they have 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:15.520 to be winners also, which is a tough factors that 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:18.320 adds to their prominence a little bit. Yeah, I will 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:21.200 say before we get started at our list, I have 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:24.480 eight people. People are not going to say all of 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.680 them I as we go, I think I'll narrow it. 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:30.520 I will say they're all men. Tough to find to 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:35.319 find female sports villains. Um, there were someone like there 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:37.400 were lists. I was again it was like Diana Tarassi. 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:40.280 It's like, what, No, she's like a hero. I mean, 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:43.880 you have the Tanya Hardings of the world. But I 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:46.800 feel like, yeah, she was. She was definitely on list. 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:51.440 But it's like now that that has so much distance 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:53.960 between it and I thought I Tania was such a 0:10:54.040 --> 0:11:00.480 sympathetic movie. It was that um that it definitely changed 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:03.240 in I guess I never really hated her that much. 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:05.280 I think I was. I think I was a child 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:09.439 and I'm more of a Nancy for sure, But but 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:14.760 the Indiana and me feels Tanya too. Okay, Yeah, Linen, 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:17.600 do you want to kick us off with your first pick? 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:21.000 As great as sports villain I do, and boy is 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:26.319 it a controversial start win in edgy folks. Uh my 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:32.080 my number three, the person who I picked is Kobe Bryant. Yeah, 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:37.040 I think that's ballad for sure. I mean, as a 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:41.559 basketball fan, he was who never was a Lakers fan. 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:45.320 He was the worst for everything that I loved and 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:49.160 that Sacramento team, that two thousand Sacramentos It's my favorite 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:53.040 team of all time. And so he like snatched everything 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:56.600 that I believed in away from me. Like Chris Webber 0:11:56.840 --> 0:12:00.640 was my god for a very substantial period of my 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:05.160 sports loving youth, especially when he was with Tira. Yes, 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:08.240 you know, what a hero, what a what a couple, 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:10.880 what a powerhouse of a couple. But it is weird, 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:12.680 like with a lot of these villains, there are always 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:16.160 the guys who, like the league almost wanted to push 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:19.000 that narrative of Kobe and Shock and the Lakers and 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:21.360 Kobe no matter, like they were getting calls that were 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:24.840 just not correct whatsoever, Like the game was rigged. That 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:29.040 series was this, Yes, very much, it felt like they 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:31.640 had made a choice that these guys needed to be 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:35.320 the next dynasty. Uh. And I think that was a 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:38.720 point where we really felt like Dynasty's had to exist. 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:41.600 Like now I think that we get it that, like 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:44.200 it's almost the way that wrestling has changed. Were like 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:46.360 they're like, okay, it's more fun if you just have 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:48.959 a new person who's really good at the thing that 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:52.600 gets to usurp the whole like experience. But like before, 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:56.320 it was like, oh, man, we need to build a 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:59.240 way of selling revenue over and over again, and the 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:01.880 only way we can that is by making Shack and 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:05.199 Kobe the face of this lea. I also think now 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:08.720 that Kobe's gone, so many people were like, man, I 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:13.360 hated him, but we also really needed that. Like in movies, 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:15.839 you need a villain, and he was such a good 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:18.960 one because he was smiling through it, you know, and 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:22.600 he was the best. He was so good and and 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.440 seemed kind of like a bit of a prick about 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:29.400 being so good, and was handsome and charming and just 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:31.520 had all of these things that you were like, yeah, 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:34.719 you're a perfect movie villain and like, you know, I mean, 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:37.880 the water boy can't exist. Unlet's says that mean who 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:42.480 says the R word? I mean, like it's not you 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:45.719 need that person. And Kobe was like the perfect just 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:50.840 mean like but really good at being mean without crossing 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:53.520 a line except for that one time, and like he 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:57.440 just really was was the perfect person to hate. He's 0:13:57.440 --> 0:14:00.440 the first like villain person I hated as a kid 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:04.080 that I like legitimately cried over, you know what I mean. 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:06.720 Like when he passed, it was like, ah, you meant 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:11.400 so much to me. I think too. I think if 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:14.840 he could hear that you genuinely cry being angry at 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:19.600 him as a kid, he would love that. That's like, then, 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:22.440 I've been at work because I just watched this video 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:25.760 of I think it was All Star appearance in Philly 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.560 where he grew up and he got booed and he 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:30.800 and like they did postgame interview with him and he 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:33.160 was like, yeah, my feelings are hurt. And I think 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:37.240 that like that moment made him win those following three 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:39.720 titles after that because he has a giant chip on 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:42.600 his shoulder. He's not motivated. He wasn't motivated to like, 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:44.920 you know, be good. It was like no, I want 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:46.840 to shut yeah, I want to Yeah. I think he 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:57.000 was definitely in the face snow. Yeah. Um okay, that's ah, 0:14:57.240 --> 0:14:59.360 I see why you think controversial. But we were very 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:01.640 quick to jump. No. I think it's great for people 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:04.400 to talk about it in that way, especially now. Um, okay, 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:06.240 c J, you want to give us your first pick? Yeah, 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:09.800 my first pick? Uh. And actually it's kind of inspired Lankston. 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:13.160 You have one of my favorite bios on Twitter. I 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:15.080 don't know if it's still is this, but it's Kate 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:19.440 and my my pick is Kevin Durant And the tweet 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:21.520 or the the bio is what I don't I don't 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.080 give a damn about no Drake night. No, I don't 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:30.320 give a damn about no damn Drake. Yeah, because so 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:33.480 early in Katie's career, he was playing in Okay see 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:36.400 this small town new team and he made them relevant 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:40.280 and for some reason, like the persona that they gave 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:42.880 him was that Katie is nice, like he's this nice 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:46.480 small town guy. But then he was yeah, but then 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:48.520 he was like, I don't want to be nice, but 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:52.800 he's also one of the corniest dudes ever, one of 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:55.440 the best basketball players to play in the last twenty years. 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:57.920 But now and then he went to the Warriors and 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:01.080 it was just like everyone thought they were so close, 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:03.400 that thunder team was so close to being the greatest 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:06.880 team to play our greatest team ever, and he decided 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:10.480 to join them and just totally accepted that role of 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:14.440 most hated athlete. I think we liked him, at least 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:17.360 I personally liked him win that m v P speech, 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:19.840 and his mom like him and his mom are I 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:23.400 just like love their dynamic um, and so that went 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:25.960 a long way to be like, oh, what a sweetie pie. 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:29.640 And then the turn was intense. For sure, I will 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:32.440 say and I hear this, and I think these are 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:37.440 all legitimate opinions. I love Kevin Durant. I'm a big fan. 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:41.320 He's never rubbed me the wrong way. He's a nice 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:44.520 boy in my mind, and I can't get enough. And 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:47.440 I know that's not it's not a popular opinion. I'm 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:50.200 probably one of six people who feel that way, including 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:54.080 his mom and his brother. But I just the only 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:56.600 thing I haven't cared for is that. And I think 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:58.920 this does go to the issue of like how we 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:02.680 qualify a villain, is that he won't just be honest 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:06.600 that he did a bad thing, like just be the 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:10.080 bad guy and it'll be okay, And instead he keeps 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:12.280 trying to push against it and be like no, what, 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:16.000 why why would you be mad? At me would want everything. 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:18.879 I did something wrong. Everyone can see. It's not like 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:23.840 a back door deals and even bad. His attempts to 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:26.200 be back door and have the burner accounts, he got 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:29.119 caught and then he also was like, yeah, that's me, 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:31.680 and I gotta do it sometimes right, just say no, 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:34.760 it was corny. I did a corny thing. It's okay, 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:38.800 but you know, I'm happier with with this situation instead 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:41.879 of being like whoa somebody else to dude, why didn't 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:44.080 they say to do bad? And it's like, shut up, man, 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:50.359 to be a nice boy. You're a nice boy. For 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:59.159 my first book. Also basketball college basketball a basketball players coach, Yeah, 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:02.200 Bobby that I mean. I'm from Indiana, so I grew 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:05.960 up watching the Hoosiers more. But it's like, this is 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:11.680 a guy who would filip out so intensely throwing chairs. 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:16.920 That's an iconic meltdown. He eventually was fired or relieved 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:20.840 of his duties at IU for I believe pushing a 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:23.640 student who was not even one of his players. He's 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:25.960 like a guy on campus walked up to him, was 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:31.680 like Bobby or like something something like that. He snapped 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:34.280 in a way that like I know my dad wishes 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:38.720 he could, and so then he then he was relieved 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:41.840 of his duties, went to Texas Tech, still had meltdown's. 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:44.840 I mean, he it's so crazy. I think there's so 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:47.639 many fans of I you that are still mad that 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:50.480 he got fired too. Like he went back recently and 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:54.719 it was like massive ovation. They're playing Pretdue that day 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:56.439 and then Produe beat them at home and it was 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:59.600 beautiful to see. Yeah, I saw, I saw that video 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:02.600 and he like is too old to even yell anymore, 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:06.000 that he was still trying to pretend to be angry 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:10.680 because that's what the fans wanted. Yeah. Well, and college basketball, 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:13.800 if you think of the greats, it's Wooden and Coach 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:18.040 K and he's very even tempered. It's almost crazy that 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:21.800 Coach K was a coach underneath Bobby Knight. Like it 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:24.679 just seems they're so different to me, but very close. 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:28.480 But yeah, Bobby Knight was like the first kind of 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:32.960 adult in charge that I remember seeing just have full 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:36.680 meltdowns as a child. Yeah, I feel like he's been 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:41.159 the inspiration for every like bad guy coach in a 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:46.000 in a movie. Because I think in your town, especially 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:49.120 Indiana or just like the Midwest, that is like the 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:53.920 default like sign of a good coach, right, yeah, if 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:59.040 you screen you can yet that was standard. Yeah, that's 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:02.320 something that like you see that poll in every single 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:06.720 sport happening, like do you have to be bullying your 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:10.119 players to get them to perform their best? And and 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:12.000 there's people that played under Bobby Knight that are like, 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:14.119 he's my favorite coach I've ever had. And then I 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:16.800 think there's people that are like, my, I'm happy I 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:21.520 don't have to see that. Okay, we are going to 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:30.120 take a quick break and we're back with our second 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:33.960 picks for the greatest sports Villains. Megan, do you want 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:37.240 to go maybe? Oh yeah, I get to go first. 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:39.520 You go back to back with your picks. But you 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:44.200 gotta fire and call this a spider. Wow, I'm gonna 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:48.680 go coach again. Listen, my honorable mention is going to 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:55.960 be like all owners. So coach, he's great. He's one 0:20:56.000 --> 0:21:00.280 of the best of all time. Bill Belichick, Oh, I know, 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:04.000 he is just such a when you when you see 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:06.879 him being smug, when you see him not wanting to 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:11.840 answer reporters, and then you add in the spying and 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:15.320 the sort of always trying to get away with things 0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:16.600 that you know you're not allowed to do it, but 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:19.080 they haven't explicitly written them in the rural book yet. 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:22.560 He's just he's a villain in the sense of he's 0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:27.280 always the one winning and then is never happy or nice, 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:31.720 and so he's just yeah, he won't even try to present, 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:34.720 which also is like a character. It has to be 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:37.280 at this point, Yeah, it was, It has to be. 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:41.119 I don't know, I'm waiting for him to crack. I 0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:43.480 don't think he ever had. We saw him like sitting 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:48.040 courtside at a basketball game with his with his wife, 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:51.360 and you know, he didn't seem like he was having 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:54.880 a great time, you know, just pretty It was three 0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:57.680 days before the super Bowl. His wife is probably like, oh, 0:21:57.720 --> 0:21:59.400 we're going to the super Bowl again, that's a whole week. 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:01.879 We have to do whatever he wants to do. And 0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:04.760 I think that was his like, oh, yeah, we're gonna 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:06.760 go out and do stuff that's not football. But all 0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:08.600 he could think you could just read on the space 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:13.480 from ft away the halftime like he was. But also 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:15.440 that's right before the super Bowl, so it's like, yeah, 0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:19.600 maybe some other stuff on his mind. Yeah, he may 0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:22.159 throw on a Tommy Bahama and get a little loose, 0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:24.679 and we've never seen it though, Like I feel like 0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:27.400 I thought offseason it would be you know, we'd see 0:22:27.480 --> 0:22:30.080 him having a few cocktails, but instead it's him like 0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:34.439 scouting white white receivers in the middle of nowhere, like 0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:37.560 at two am. Him and him, Him and Nick Saban 0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:40.200 have the same type of vibe to me. And the 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:43.080 only reason that we even think of them as villains, 0:22:43.119 --> 0:22:46.240 I think too, is because they beat people more than 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:49.280 most people didn't. Right, well, yeah, they barely lose. So 0:22:49.320 --> 0:22:52.600 it's sort of like, Okay, not only are you unlikable, 0:22:52.680 --> 0:22:55.800 but you're really good at whatever you're you're claiming to 0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:58.880 be doing. Yeah, so it's like, how do I stop this? Yeah? 0:22:58.960 --> 0:23:02.320 I did like that I'm having drama this, you know, 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:06.440 like he had a divorce this offseason, and I was like, yeah, 0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:09.960 you need to just you have to handle things that 0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:12.879 everyone else has been dealing with. But that to me 0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:16.600 almost feels like, you know, it's like we're all comics, 0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:18.479 you get it. It's like when you don't know how 0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:22.359 to cut the character off. It's like he's just doing 0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:25.320 a bid, but he won't stop doing the bid. It's 0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:27.680 like when comics get in that circle and they just 0:23:27.800 --> 0:23:33.000 keep riffing. It's like, no, bro, open up, yeah, please 0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:36.440 stop running your set. You were so mean. You made 0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:40.960