1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: Late fifteen to ten touched up such welcome to Chargers Weekly. 2 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: Great to be back at the Bolt with jalil Adaie 3 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: And today Thursday, February twentieth, so a couple of days 4 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: a lot of us are gonna be packing up and 5 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: heading out to Indianapolis. Could not be more excited. Just 6 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: sell it right here at the top about the lineup 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: that we're going to be delivering you pods every day Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, 8 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: Joe Ortiz, Chad Alexander GM assistant GM of the Chargers, 9 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: will join us. Daniel Jeremiah able to carve out a 10 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: little bit of time with our man. DJ does the 11 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: games with me and Shannon Farren on the radio, and 12 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: of course he is the best NFL draft analyst in 13 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: the business. We'll have Matt Miller from ESPN, will have 14 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: Mina Kimes, We'll have from ESPN. We'll have a bunch 15 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: of people from NFL Network. Greg Rosenthal, I think's gonna 16 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: check in Lance Zerline, who knows more his old man, 17 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: of course, the raat O line coaches in the history 18 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: of the NFL. He's going to check in our friend 19 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: Brett Coleman and Charles Davis Love CD gonna get him 20 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: in there so stacked, so keep an eye on everything. 21 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 1: I just want to get that out on the top 22 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: of Julia, because we're awfully excited money. 23 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 2: That's a that's a loaded baked potato. 24 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: Right, that's the exactly right and the cheese. So Julia, 25 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: let's start with this figure a lean on your personal experience, 26 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: because you're someone that seemed to really enjoy his time 27 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: with the Chargers and you look unfortunately or fortunately for you, guys, 28 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: we know what you make, we know what the contracts 29 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: look like. You get a nice contract from the Chargers 30 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: and then twenty nineteen rolls around and off to Houston. 31 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: You know, got to make your money while it's there. 32 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: Just kind of give us an idea of what it's 33 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: like having a connection with a team and then having 34 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: an agent, knowing what the market is and kind of 35 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: trying to put that whole puzzle together and what goes 36 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: into you, Wane, what you want to do. 37 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 2: That's a great question. So obviously, first first six years 38 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 2: in my career here with the Chargers for in San 39 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 2: Diego and then two in La signed, I signed my 40 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 2: extension after the twenty and sixteen season, stayed with the Chargers. 41 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 2: I didn't even hit the market. I was like, you 42 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: know what, I love the front office, I love the team, 43 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 2: I love the coach. Obviously, Anthony Lynn was coming in 44 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 2: from the Mike McCoy era, and my agent was like, 45 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 2: you know what, the Chargers have reached out. They're really interested. 46 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 2: They want to extend you. And he's like, do you 47 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 2: want to test the market? He's like, now, you can 48 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,679 Speaker 2: test the market and you can make more money, right, 49 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 2: or you could test the market and you could fall 50 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 2: fla out in your face. You just never know what 51 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 2: the safety market is going to be at that point 52 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 2: in time. With that being said, I was like, hey, 53 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: do I want to have a burd in hand? Right? 54 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: And you never can go you never can go wrong 55 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 2: with a burden hand. A special Teams coach back in 56 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: the day would always say, you cannot go broke taking 57 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 2: a profit, right. So at that time, the Chargers that 58 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 2: offered me my deal and I had the way was 59 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,679 Speaker 2: it worth it? You know, going out and maybe going 60 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 2: to a city I didn't want to play for an 61 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 2: organization I didn't want to play for. And then at 62 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 2: that point, when you're young, you're trying to make that 63 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 2: money me being a free agent. I'm like, am I 64 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 2: gonna get this six and a half that the Charges 65 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: are offering me? Right? So, ultimately I decided to stay 66 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 2: with the Chargers, and it was the best decision that 67 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 2: I made. Obviously, I'm still here rocking with you money. 68 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: So it was a good it was a good experience. 69 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 2: It's a little nerve wrecking. Now we moved to twenty nineteen. 70 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 2: When I was released by the Chargers. I sat for 71 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 2: about a month and there was it's a weird process 72 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 2: because you're you're just waiting for you. You're really your 73 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 2: agent's the middle man. He's he's explaining to you what 74 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 2: the front officers are saying. He's susplaining to what scouts 75 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 2: and coaches are saying. And you're just really waiting there 76 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: every day like you're working out, you're getting up, you're 77 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 2: doing stuff. It's kept your mind off of it. You're 78 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 2: running if your phone's gonna ring, if it's not going 79 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 2: to ring. Ultimately, the Texans did give me a shout 80 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 2: that was the only team was Detroit and it was 81 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 2: Houston at the time, who was kind of warm. The 82 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 2: Texans reached out to me. I'm like, look, beautiful city, 83 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: no state taxes. Organization was good, and in a way, 84 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 2: I went, so, let's. 85 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: Go to the if you don't mind, you know, the 86 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: release and sort of what that's We hear a lot 87 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: about that, right, you know, why is it the teams 88 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: get to do this and players can't and they're the 89 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: bad guy and the team's the good guy, you know, 90 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: always the good guy, that sort of thing, because look, 91 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: there's a handful of players on this team that are 92 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: probably going through what you went through and looking at 93 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: their cap number and looking at their reps and looking 94 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: at the position group, and we can probably dig into 95 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: that little bit. I kind of wrote everybody down that 96 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: I thought could be potential cap casualties as they try 97 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: to get more and more free agent money. I mean, 98 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: this team has forty I don't know that number. I 99 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: think it's I'm pretty sure it's over forty free agents. 100 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 1: So that's kind of how they had to build it 101 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: last year, just draft contracts coming up, a lot of 102 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: one year deals, so you're talking about a lot of 103 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: dudes on this roster that they're going to have to 104 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: bring back, some for big numbers, some for small numbers, 105 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: but just kind of having that seed and the planet 106 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: in the back of your head that you know I 107 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: might be released. 108 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yes, And at the time for me, I was 109 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 2: a starter, right, But I knew what I was making 110 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 2: in that third year and a lot of times, it's 111 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: a business, and you have to look at it as 112 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 2: a business. When you're a little kid, you're playing the 113 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 2: game for the love of it. When you get to 114 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: this level, you're still playing the game for the love 115 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 2: of bit. But you have to understand it's a business, right, 116 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 2: And I've seen what kind of money I was going 117 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: to be making the following year. They just have drafted 118 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 2: Durwin the year before that, and we were almost the 119 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 2: same type of player as far as box players, right. 120 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 2: Ray Shawn Jenkins was behind me, a true free safety. 121 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 2: And it was about year seven for me, so I 122 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 2: understood the business. At this time, I understood what could be. 123 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 2: I was real with myself and I felt like I 124 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 2: probably was going to be released, And I told my 125 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: agent that around this time. He gave me a call 126 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 2: and he had to talk with Tom Tellschuo was a 127 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 2: general manager at the time, and they said they were 128 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,559 Speaker 2: going to go in a different direction. Stings. Yeah, because 129 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 2: you're a competitor. Right, It's an organization that I was 130 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 2: with for six straight years of blood, sweat and tears. 131 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 2: But I knew the business side, so I kept my 132 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 2: feelings out of it, right, And it's never good getting 133 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 2: that call. But I do respect Tom and because he 134 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 2: did communicate with my agent at the time, like, look, 135 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: we're gonna let We're gonna release him early enough he 136 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 2: can get out there right, rather than hold him all 137 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 2: the way through free agency and then last second chop 138 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: block and then now all the teams that you possibly 139 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 2: could have got on obviously, now you're looking vet minimum, 140 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 2: you're looking camp. You're not getting in until camp. Whereas well, 141 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 2: he let me go early. All due respect to Tom, 142 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 2: I was able to find a team hopped in there 143 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 2: before OTA started. 144 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, am I look at this maybe a slight exaggeration. 145 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if there was a player on the 146 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: team that Anthony Lynn liked more than Ray Shawn Jenkins. 147 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, he did. He loved Ray, loved he loved Ray. 148 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 2: He did. And what's funny story about Ray. Ray came 149 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 2: in fourth round drafted from the University of Miami, and 150 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 2: he had a hard time preseason. He was sucking win 151 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 2: in the first preseason game, Coach Lynn had to get 152 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,679 Speaker 2: on him, but he got on him out of love, right, 153 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: and we all see what kind of race player race 154 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 2: On Jenkins is now going on year. I think it's 155 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 2: eight or nine top could be a Pro Bowl player, 156 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 2: All Pro type by caliber player. So we were stacked, dude, 157 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 2: and I knew it. I mean, we were stacked with 158 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 2: young guys behind us who made a lot less money 159 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 2: than me, who was going to free up other guys. 160 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 2: So once again, the business side money, you got to 161 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 2: understand it. 162 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: And I think that's you know, it's perfect time as 163 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: you kind of lay that that out that you know, 164 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: I look, I am sensitive to this. I get it. 165 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: These guys are young, the idea that your career could 166 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: be over and you have this tiny window to make 167 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: money because you're going to be figuring out how you're 168 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: going to earn money from age twenty nine, thirty two, 169 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: sometimes earlier, third yeah, sometimes earlier for the rest of 170 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: your life. So I don't say this flippantly. I say 171 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: it just by looking at what you just talked about. 172 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: A business, right, Joey Bosa is on the books for 173 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: thirty six million dollars if they simply move on from him. 174 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: It's a savings of twenty five million bucks that gets 175 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: added to their current sixty you know, based on what 176 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: the projection is. Depends what the player's association wants to do. 177 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: Is at two seventy seven, is a two eighty one, 178 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: it's kind of up to them what percentage of smoothing 179 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: they want to accept. But they're talking about putting twenty 180 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: five million bucks added to that sixty five. Now you're 181 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: at eighty million dollars or at ninety million dollars of 182 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: cap space. I think you look at Trey Pipkins, you know, 183 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: nine million bucks at a tackle great, Like you said, 184 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: nine million bucks at a guard that to be a 185 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: pretty damn good guard, you better be a top five, 186 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: top ten guard in a league. And so like that's 187 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: where that number comes in. I think, you know, with 188 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: JK and Gus and Haskins and Kamani by Dell and 189 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: the way this draft is shaping up to look. 190 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 2: It's a it's a packed running back down. 191 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, So Gus three point one million bucks in savings, 192 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: right there, a guy that struggled to stay healthy. So 193 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: those are kind of the ones that I look at 194 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: as just kind of they're sort of glaring a little bit, 195 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: kind of like, look at me, look at me, look 196 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: at me. You know, you want to go from sixty 197 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: five and I have to one hundred million in cap 198 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: space and try to figure out how to use it. 199 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: Those are the ones that I would. 200 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 2: Look at it. 201 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: Look each one of those guys they could go to 202 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: and say, hey, let's figure this out for sure, and 203 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: that's that's possibility as well. So that's kind of the number. 204 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 1: Sixty five point six fifth most in the league as 205 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 1: it stands at a two seventy seven cap. One hundred 206 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: million would be the number if you kind of add 207 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: in those players I just mentioned, And then I pointed 208 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: out it's I think it's north of forty. I thought 209 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: I was in like the thirties, but I feel like 210 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: it might be north of forty guys because of all 211 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: these one year deals, so you've got to populate a 212 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: fifty three man roster. So one hundred million dollars sounds 213 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: like a lot. But Rashaun Slater's up for an extension, 214 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: you would assume you're going to want to do that 215 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: instead of having him play in a fifty year option 216 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: at nineteen million bucks, you look at those numbers and 217 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: I just kind of look at the draft class. Right, 218 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: Pine Sewell was taken four picks ahead of him. He 219 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: and Slater have both had incredible careers. You know, start 220 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: their career school, got four years, one hundred and twelve. 221 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: Right now, Tristan Wurfs is the top paid tackle in 222 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: football five years, one hundred and forty. So you're talking 223 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: about twenty eight million a year on average and about 224 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: eighty to ninety million bucks guarantee. 225 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 2: And that's what players for people at home don't know. 226 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 2: That's what players and agents do, right. They look and say, 227 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 2: you know what, will we have an all pro probo 228 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 2: type tackle who's the highest tackle in the league. Let's 229 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: look at their stats, let's look at the sacks. Allow, 230 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 2: we're gonna compare. We're gonna bring it to the front office, like, look, 231 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 2: we have a guy that's just as good as him. Obviously, 232 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 2: we know that the salary cap goes up every year, right, Right, 233 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 2: So no matter what money, you could be playing safety 234 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 2: five years ago, right, and then a guy who comes 235 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 2: after you five years later, who still doesn't perform just 236 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 2: as good as you because of the salary cap rising, 237 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: He's gonna get paid more, right, So obviously a lot more, 238 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 2: a lot more. So you're looking at those numbers and 239 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 2: that's around the ballpark that he's gonna definitely act that, yeah, 240 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 2: I would say. 241 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: And remember it's not even if the you know, the 242 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: the average the eighth you know, the average value per 243 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: year is twenty eight and a half million. If he 244 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: want you know, sewell, I think is twenty eight flat. 245 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: I think Worf's just just above that. So if they 246 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 1: want twenty eight point twenty five, then you. 247 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 2: Know, hey, that sounds yeah like app. 248 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that immediately becomes twenty eight point twenty 249 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: five in twenty twenty five, like they'll they'll make it work. 250 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: And so it's so if I had to guess, it'd 251 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: be below nineteen because that's what his fifty year option 252 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 1: is and they'd love to ease that number to make 253 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: it lower to keep that money. So that's number one. 254 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: The more interesting one is for me is Khalil Mack 255 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: because by all accounts, it sounds like there's a market 256 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: out there. And I had thought either he retires or 257 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: he comes back to the charge, and that's kind of 258 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: the way this is going to go. But when I 259 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: start reading PFF's got him at two years, you know, 260 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: forty five million, forty million guaranteed at this age, at 261 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: this age, and then I start looking at the rest 262 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: of the class, and you know, I think that's where, Look, 263 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 1: he's so important to this team just from a leadership 264 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: and attitude standpoint, But I think that's where it starts 265 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: getting kind of interesting. Is if you're talking about a 266 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 1: guy that's gonna average twenty two and a half million, 267 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: this is just kind of PFF numbers. It's sort of 268 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: easy to run by these. He's the highest paid guy. 269 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: You got Josh Sweat coming off an incredible Super Bowl. 270 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: They got himpegged at three years, eighteen million. They got 271 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: a Son Reddick at two years twenty five million. Malcolm 272 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: Kotz's coming off that big injury, but a heck of 273 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: a player when he's been healthy. That's two years, eighteen 274 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: seventy five. So do you think do you think they 275 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: have those conversations or are the intangible such that Khalil 276 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: is so important to sort of the chemistry and the 277 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: makeup of this team that it's worth those extra you know, 278 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: few millions of dollars to get him back here. 279 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 2: I think when you look at it, right, it's either okay, 280 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 2: so what are you doing with Joey Boso And that's 281 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 2: going to say a lot, right, because if Joey is released, 282 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 2: if Joey is let go, then obviously Camille coming excuse me, 283 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 2: Khalil coming back is a vital part of his defense. 284 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 2: And yeah, you can look at his age. You can say, well, 285 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 2: he's thirty two, he's thirty three, and do you want 286 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 2: to pay a guy at this age? Typically you don't. 287 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 2: But when you watch how he takes care of his body, 288 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 2: when you watch how he's available each and every Sunday 289 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 2: and the level that he's still playing at. I don't 290 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 2: know that there's another guy that you can go out 291 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 2: there in the draft or free agency and say we're 292 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 2: gonna bring him in. He knows the system, we know 293 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: what kind of leader he is, we know what he 294 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 2: means in the locker room and the impact that he 295 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 2: brings each and every Sunday. Right, So if it's me, 296 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 2: obviously I'm not upstairs, but this guy is one of 297 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 2: the pieces I feel like on the defense that you 298 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 2: have to keep. Yeah, you might have to spend a 299 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 2: little bit of money, you might have to drop a 300 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 2: bag on him for it, right, but he's in you 301 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 2: worth it and you have it. 302 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think there is something to be said 303 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: about knowing what you have versus what you're bringing in, 304 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: Knowing how he plays in the system, knowing the weight 305 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 1: that his words carry in the room. And like you said, 306 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: if you kind of then you get into the draft 307 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: and let's just say you're taking an edge in the 308 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: third round or something, Well, now you're bringing that into 309 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: a room with Khalil Mack for the next year to 310 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: two years to kind of follow his lead. And so 311 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: I think that's that's part of the calculus as well. 312 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: I get it. I understand why, you know, I think 313 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: they had the Packers the Lions as potentially interested teams. 314 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: But to me, it just it it makes too much 315 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: sense for him to be the guy that comes back 316 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: as opposed to you know, a Josh Sweat who had 317 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: a really good super he did. He did, but you know, 318 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: going just by PFF grades you're talking about, Khalil was 319 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: the fifth ranked edge defender in twenty twenty four, Josh 320 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: Sweat was the thirty sixth, and Hassan Reddick And I 321 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: granted he didn't play. 322 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 2: So yeah, but that's the whole. But do you want 323 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 2: to deal with that? 324 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: That's what I mean. And so it's like it's to me, 325 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: that's an obvious one. So now you're pulling another twenty 326 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: because that's just going to be a short term So 327 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: there's really nowhere to hide that money. That's going to 328 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: be twenty million bucks then taking off. So I would say, 329 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: between Slater and Khalil, your two big ticket icems, you're 330 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: gonna pull at least I would guess thirty five thirty 331 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: to thirty five off that number. That's just right there. 332 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: And then we get into Elijah Molden, who I think 333 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: is next in line. And this is something you can 334 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: speak to how important he is just for this particular team, 335 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: how well he operated in jesse Miners defense, and what 336 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: it allowed Derwin James to do to have him back there. 337 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was essentially like you had three starters with 338 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 2: him and the low he back there playing the too 339 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 2: high safety and then allowing Durwin to be by the 340 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 2: line of scrimmage where he's best at. Is he blitzing, 341 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 2: is he playing the big nickel position? Is he re 342 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 2: routing jam and getting to the curl. Is he bumping 343 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 2: into the box playing that will linebacker. Look. So there's 344 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 2: so many things you could do with Durwin. And we 345 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 2: all know that Durwin plays his best ball. Not that 346 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 2: he can't play high safety, because he can, and he 347 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 2: can take away the number one tight end as we know, 348 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 2: but him in that box, him blitzing, him, being disruptive 349 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 2: is his best bet. That's his best game. That's who 350 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 2: That's when Durwin comes alive. Right, You got to get 351 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 2: him going early to the ball, close to the ball, right. 352 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 2: So having Elijah back there and not missing a beat. 353 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 2: He's very rangy, he's smart, he understands the system, He 354 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 2: communicate wells. And the safety is the quarterback of the defense, 355 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 2: right You as a safety, people think that you're just 356 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 2: the last line of defense and you just saving tackles. No, 357 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 2: you're checking two by two look formations, you're checking three 358 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 2: by one formations. You're checking empty looks, you're checking when 359 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 2: the quarterback looks and looks at the sideline. There's so 360 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 2: much stuff that goes on as a safety that you 361 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 2: have to have a guy back there that you trust. 362 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 2: And sometimes a safety, a coach might say it, Look, 363 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 2: he's not the most athletic guy on the field, but 364 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 2: he's the smartest and I know he's gonna get guys 365 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 2: lined up. And Elijah can do both. 366 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's a lowly as well. Yes, you can 367 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: just there. They're glue guys. You know, it's you gotta 368 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: have or I like to call it cack. It's just 369 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: a better vision for me. You know, everybody likes the 370 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: look of their fancy traffertine kyles that got caught going 371 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: to start slid and not be in the right spot. 372 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: So and then after that, I think it becomes the 373 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: conversation of what is it that you're looking for at 374 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: defensive tackle? What because interior defenders are not You're talking 375 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: about a very diverse group of people and guys that 376 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: get upfield like Odiggie Zua. We just saw Whatton Milton 377 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: Williams did all season long for the Eagles. You know what, 378 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,199 Speaker 1: Jordan Davis, Javon Carter, how important that position is for 379 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: the Eagles, and what they were able to do when 380 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: the grass wasn't getting torn up out from under them 381 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 1: like it was two years ago in Arizona, and what 382 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 1: they can do on Muza Rique And then I think 383 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 1: that's kind of where to me, that's going to be 384 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,479 Speaker 1: one of the more interesting sort of debates in the 385 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: front office room is you know you talked about it, 386 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: Bird in the hand, number one scoring defense, Tier Tart Punaford, Morgan, Fox, 387 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 1: Tito A. You know, right now the only dtackles on 388 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: the team are Tito A Bogbe, who's a project as 389 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: a fourth rounder last year, and Scott Matt Loockow I 390 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: think probably playing more full back than sure defense attack. 391 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: So that's you've got to re sign Poona, Tier Morgan 392 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: or you've got to go. 393 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 2: You got to bring some guys in, Yeah, because it's 394 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 2: a it's a position that's light right now, and like 395 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 2: you said, you have a burden hand and these are 396 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 2: guys who know your system. These are guys who are 397 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 2: part of the number one defense in the league at 398 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 2: one point in time, right, These are guys who have 399 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 2: played really stealth defense for Jesse Minner that in that 400 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 2: in the coaching staff. So I say this to say, yes, 401 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 2: you want that fancy name. Yeah, you want that big 402 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 2: time guy who walks off the bus and he looks 403 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 2: like a sou right, big body, broad shoulders. But if 404 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 2: these guys are getting the job done, if they're creating 405 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 2: a new line of scrimmage, if they're penetrating, if they're 406 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,239 Speaker 2: keeping their shoulders square to the line of scrimmage and 407 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 2: not turning their shoulders and creating seams and creating run 408 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 2: lanes like they did not do during the season. They 409 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 2: played really really good football. It's almost like, do you 410 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 2: save that money to use elsewhere right right now? If 411 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 2: you feel like you don't need to save that money 412 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 2: to use elsewhere, and that's up to the upstairs, then 413 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, we can bring guys back, maybe one 414 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 2: of those guys back that we love, and then go 415 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 2: splash big with the free agent. So that's just my opinion. 416 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think I think it comes down to 417 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: do you feel like you need more juice, more upfield juice, 418 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: Like as good as those guys were, and look, Tear 419 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: might have had the best get off on the team 420 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: last year, but it was in limited role. 421 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 2: Was great. 422 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: But I think it's kind of like I'm talking. 423 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 2: About game changer. 424 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, like what we saw from Milton Williams, what you see, Look, 425 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 1: there's only one Aaron Donald, but I'm talking about an 426 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: interior Chris Jones who can rush the pass and I 427 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: just think that's not necessarily what the guys that they 428 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: had were, Yeah, exactly, And so that's where it then 429 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: comes in, like what are we better off doing? Because look, 430 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: you got a couple in the I'm just looking at 431 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: the top and geez it is so stacked. You look 432 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: at Mason Graham, who's going to go top five, Kenneth Grant, 433 00:19:58,320 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 1: who's probably going. 434 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 2: To go top Michigan fifteen. 435 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that guy's six four, three forty and 436 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: they would brush him off the edge on pass downs 437 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: and he was still athletic. Yet the interesting one is 438 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: Walter Nolan, who if there's nothing, there's nothing off the field, right, 439 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: you're talking about the guyho's gonna probably be a top ten, 440 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 1: top fifteen pick. So that's one that could slide to you, 441 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: and it'll go come down to kind of what his 442 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: meetings are like. 443 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 2: And then it's what what is it off the field? 444 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 2: Like what kind of guy is he off the field? 445 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 2: And money? If I'm a coach, right, this is football, 446 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 2: This isn't baseball by any means, This isn't soccer, And 447 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 2: I have much respect for those sports, but I want 448 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 2: a guy with a little bit of salt just a 449 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 2: little salt, not hot, not hot sauce, but just some salt, right, 450 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 2: just a little edgy, especially in those trenches. Right. So, 451 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 2: like you said, they do all their research. I remember 452 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 2: when I was coming out, they told me that they 453 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 2: even talked to my high school coach. They even go 454 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 2: back and date back to talking to middle school teachers, 455 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 2: and they really dig in and dig deep. So I 456 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 2: know they're going to do the due diligence on him 457 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 2: and see exactly what it is with his off the 458 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 2: field because when you look at it, right, Jalen Carter, 459 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 2: he had some off the field issues coming. 460 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: Out certainly, I mean that was you know, yeah, right, but. 461 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 2: They said his red flag was his off the field issues. 462 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 2: And look how big of a game changer he is? 463 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, right, So yeah, I mean no doubt 464 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 1: it's exactly and I think you know, to me, it's 465 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: just it's it's sort of a this or that. And 466 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: this was something that DJ illustrated last week on the 467 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: pod and he was like, basically, what happens is they're 468 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: going to pull out a card and they're going to 469 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: go do you want this or do you want that? 470 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: And it's a free agent plus this draft pick or 471 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: this draft pick plus this free agent. So it's like, 472 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: if we do this, if you sign Milton Williams for 473 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: twenty five million, twenty three million dollars a year, you 474 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: sign on Wuzoique for whatever, twenty million dollars. Okay, Okay, 475 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: So now we don't have to use that draft or 476 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take that twenty million bucks and I'm going 477 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: to spend it on you know, Trey Smith at guard 478 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: and now I'm gonna draft you know. So that's kind 479 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 1: of what the the calculus is is how do the 480 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: draft picks and the free agents line up based on 481 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: what the depth is at each position? 482 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 2: I agree, And you mentioned guard, and so we're talking 483 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 2: about detacle. We're talking about guard right, so glaringly it's 484 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 2: the interior on the offensive side and the defensive side. 485 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 2: And that's why I was going to ask you money, 486 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 2: where do you think is more of a priority on 487 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 2: the offensive side interior or the defensive side interior. 488 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 1: So I think I think we've said this before here, 489 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: but and it's it's not I'm just I'm trying to 490 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: celebrate somebody here. I'm not trying to take a shot 491 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: at anybody. I'm trying to celebrate the defensive side of 492 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: the ball. The coaching that has been happening is incredible. 493 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: Just every single player that gets dropped in is ready 494 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 1: to go. You got two rookie corners that are starting. 495 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 1: You've got guys, you know Elijah Moulden who was to 496 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: some degree, you know, just cast off and comes in 497 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: and he's a vital part of this defense and it's 498 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: the number one scoring defense in the league. Poon Afford 499 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: one year deal year tart to cast off from Miami, 500 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: Like and what and what did this coaching staff do? 501 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: You know, whether it's just take your pick at every level, 502 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: you know Navarro, Mike Elston, coach Klink, you know, coach O'Leary, 503 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,199 Speaker 1: like every single one of them. And then you know 504 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: the cook that's putting it all together and Jesse Minner. 505 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: I say all that to say. 506 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 2: They're okay on that side. Yeah, kind of get. 507 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: To the offensive side and it's like, let's uh, let's 508 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,479 Speaker 1: let's let's get a little stitch. Yeah, let's maybe get 509 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: the gourmet ingredients for that side, and we can go 510 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: with the generics on that side. So and plus I 511 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: think it's also who's available and what's it going to cost? 512 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: Like when you go into free agents, do I think 513 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: this team is going to spend If Robert Hunt got 514 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 1: twenty million bucks a year from the Panthers and he's 515 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,199 Speaker 1: barely in the top ten as a guard, you know 516 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: what's you know, what is Trey Smith gonna want? Like, 517 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: I just don't see this team doing that. I can't imagine, 518 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 1: even though he's he's not even twenty six yet young, 519 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: so he's young, he's good, But if you're talking about 520 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 1: twenty three twenty four million bucks, I just kind of 521 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: go down a couple and I see Kevin Zeitler that 522 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: this front office knows in Baltimore, who played really well 523 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: in Detroit, who was part of the best offensive line 524 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: in the league last year, And to me, that just 525 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: kind of just kind of jumps out of me. And 526 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: then I go right right below that and I see 527 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 1: Patrick McCarry, another Baltimore guy, twenty seven years old, So 528 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: if you want to go a little bit younger that 529 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: with all the versatility that he has to play all 530 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: five positions like that, that to me jumps out a 531 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: little bit more than the big name of Trace, even 532 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: though Trey might be the with now with t Higgins 533 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: getting franchised, he might be the number one free agent 534 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: in the market right now. 535 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 2: And with obviously the other spots that the Charges need 536 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 2: to fill. We talked about Khalil, we talked about yeah 537 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 2: us later, right, So you're ready dishing out a big 538 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 2: bag in those areas. So, like, I agree with you, 539 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 2: it's deep enough to where you don't have to go 540 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 2: number one guy and you can shuffle down and almost 541 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 2: figuratively do what they did at the corner spot in 542 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 2: the draft and free agency and still get a really 543 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 2: good productive guard but not spend all your. 544 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,199 Speaker 1: Capital, right and so, and then I think you you know, 545 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: with guard and center, there really aren't a lot of 546 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,239 Speaker 1: centers in free agency. They've all kind of got there. 547 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: Drew Dolmen's the best one. I don't know what, you know. 548 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: I think they're talking about Chicago, maybe trying to get 549 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: a get him in there, and they're talking about Pro 550 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: Football Focus has him at four years forty six, average 551 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: of eleven and a half millions. That's a big number 552 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: for the center. Right behind him though, is Ryan Kelly, 553 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: who obviously has had. 554 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 2: A ry Okay, yeah, I played to Ryan really, so 555 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 2: there you go. 556 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, Ryan, I mean, heck of a player. 557 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: Just has been banged up, you know, quite a bit, 558 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: but he's still he's thirty one going on thirty two. 559 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: So that's one that's interesting if you compare, you know, 560 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: maybe if that's how you do it. I do think 561 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: they're going to bring back Bradley Boseman. I just everything 562 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: you hear about how but looved he is, Julia. 563 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 2: I've been around brad and he's a stand up guy, dude, awesome, 564 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 2: good leader. Obviously he gives them what they need, gives 565 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 2: them what they want. Like I don't see why not, right, 566 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 2: I don't see why not. 567 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: So that to me, and that is why I kind 568 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 1: of am not so sure about bringing in a guy 569 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: at twelve million bucks a year if that's what it's 570 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: going to be with Dollman. But Ryan Kelly, I could see. 571 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,239 Speaker 1: I could kind of see. Because it's not a good 572 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: draft for centers. You got one, you got Gray's Abel 573 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: who's you know guard slash center. It from North Dakota 574 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: State that people are talking about is sort of the 575 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: only thing in the draft. And I don't know if 576 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: they want to spend pick number twenty two on a 577 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: center Tyler Booker from Alabama is sort of the one 578 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: guard that they're talking about as a high level guard, 579 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 1: as the leader of that offensive line in Alabama at 580 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: a guard position. And so that's a possibility if they 581 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: value you know, where he might be on their horizontal 582 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: I'm their vertical I should say, compared to their horizontal 583 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 1: and what might be available to him. So that's when there, 584 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: let's dig into this a little bit more. So, Yeah, 585 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: just go through all of these Christian Fulton free agents. 586 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: Your Tart free agent, poona Ford free agent. We talked about, 587 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: Elijah Molden, Khalil Mack, JK. Dobbins is a free agent. 588 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 1: Samuel Sante Samuel is a free agent. Was hurt last year. 589 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 1: Denzel Perriman was important for that boom. And you know, 590 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: at two million bucks a year, I think you even 591 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: look at somebody like Tucker Fisk and what he meant 592 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: in that tight end room. It's a million bucks. But 593 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 1: it's someone that's a free agent. Like right now, you've 594 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: got one tight end on the roster, Will Disley, that's it. 595 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: Stone Smart's a free agent. Tucker Fisk is a free agent. 596 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: I think McAllen Castles technically is was brought back, so 597 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: you have him, but that's you know, more of a 598 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: practice squad depth developmental piece. So Hayden Hurst free agent 599 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: like so that's you got one tight end on the roster, 600 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 1: stone smart free agent like that. You've got to figure out. 601 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 2: And this draft has really good tight ends. I will 602 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 2: say that money like that's an option for the Chargers 603 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 2: at pick twenty two. 604 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: Right, Yes, Colston LOVELANDR Tyler Warms will be there. 605 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 2: Not a chance to know he's generational? 606 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, no chance. I think DJ. 607 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 2: That's what I was That's why I was eyeing. That's 608 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 2: what I was iying. 609 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: He I think DJ has him going seventh overall to 610 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: the Jets. So Colston Loveland though they're kind of talking 611 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 1: about maybe being available at twenty two. But then you 612 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: kind of you kind of get has freaking nodding his 613 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: head over there, like yeah, I get that. But then 614 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 1: I think, Okay, So here's so here's the game they'll play. 615 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: Is Colston Loveland at twenty two? What let's just say 616 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: if it's running back tight end because I think you 617 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: bring back JK. But I do think you've got a 618 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: draft and RB one. I think that's imperative for this 619 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: team for what they want to do, Like I just 620 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: juice machine out there that question, what's what's the better option? 621 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: Is it the sort of high upside more projecting Mason Taylor, 622 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: Jason Son out of LSU, Elijah Royo out of out 623 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: of Miami? Is it Fanning out of Bowling greenhell Fannin? 624 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: Like is it that guy in the second round? 625 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 2: Right? 626 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:10,239 Speaker 1: And Amari and Hampton at twenty two? Is it you know? 627 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: Or do you flip that? And it's the tight end 628 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: in the first round and then you're kind of looking 629 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: in like second, third round, fourth round for that running back. 630 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 2: And both positions are deep money. So it's basically like 631 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 2: you said, it's what they think is most important. What's 632 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 2: on the vertical board, right, what do they need now? 633 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 2: And that's all up to the discretion, right, because both 634 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 2: like I said, running back, tight end, really good draft. Yes, 635 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 2: So you can go early in the first round, and 636 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 2: then you can try to find somebody down that ladder 637 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 2: a little bit who has a lot of upside, who 638 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 2: some people may be sleeping on, which we've seen them 639 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 2: do in the past, go and grab some sleepers out 640 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 2: of the fifth round. 641 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, So like exactly, So to kind of. I think, 642 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: what's look, it's a copycat league, right, you know, running 643 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: backs arete we might get three. I think we got 644 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: a shot at three running backs in the first round. 645 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: Ashton Genty's probably going to go in the top ten, 646 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: maybe top fifteen. It'll be interesting if he starts to slide, 647 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: if the Chargers are interested in jumping up there to 648 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: snatch him before he gets to the Steelers at twenty 649 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: or he gets to I'm trying to think of who's 650 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: ahead of them. That might are the Bronco Yeah, Broncos 651 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: are ahead of him. If he gets to the Broncos, 652 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: if he gets to the Bengals, you know, that's that's 653 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: something they might consider. But then you know, like PFF 654 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: has got Treveon Henderson ranked sixty fifth, he's going in 655 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: the first round. 656 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 2: He's like a he's a dog clone. He's a dog. 657 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: You know, he's a dog. And you saw that explosive 658 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: running back from Yeah, yeah, exactly quin Shawn Jenkins Judkins 659 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: as well. So I don't know if he'd go in 660 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: the first round, but I think at the very least 661 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: there's no doubt Amar and Hampton and Ashton Genty you're 662 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: going in the first round and Amari and Hampton, you're 663 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: talking six to one two twenty, and I think DJ 664 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: told us he hears six percent body fat at six 665 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: one two twenty. So that's that's kind of what you got. 666 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: Ask yourself when you're sitting there at pick twenty two, 667 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: is that which one? Or do you think camp scat 668 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: who's gonna slide to the third? You know he's a 669 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: fan favorite too much, and look if he runs, if 670 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: he runs well, someone who's gonna probably go in the 671 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: second round. 672 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 2: But that's what they're saying, that he doesn't run well. 673 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 2: But I'm listen, I didn't run well. I played a 674 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 2: decade in the NFL, so I'm biased right what I 675 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 2: see on tape from him, I don't care what you run. 676 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 2: He doesn't get he doesn't get caught. He pulls it 677 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 2: from the fenders. He's not easy to bring down. I'm 678 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 2: more of a like. They'll they'll say, look, well this 679 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 2: guy had an awesome game and he had two interceptions. 680 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 2: Well how did where they lollipops? Or did he go? 681 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 2: Get him right? Right? So yeah, he might not run 682 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 2: a fast forward, he might not jump out of the gym. 683 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,479 Speaker 2: But when I turn onto tape. He's a football player, 684 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 2: right right, and that's what I'm if I'm a general 685 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 2: manager and my own a football player. 686 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's and there's very few ish here we go. 687 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: I forgot, I had this all laid out. So yeah, 688 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: you're you're high at Ashton, Genty Amari and Hampton, Trevon Henderson, 689 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: quinnchu On Jenkins are kind of that top group. And 690 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: then right behind him you got Caleb Johnson, Dylan Sampson 691 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: more of like that athlete, super explosive camp Scataboo, Devin 692 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: Neil sort of that that just bowling ball out of Kansas, 693 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: you know that kind of guy. So there's a lot 694 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: of that tight end, like we said, Tyler Warren, Colston Lovelin, 695 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: then right behind him Elijah Royal, Mason Taylor, and then 696 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: Gunner Helm Fannin Ferguson out of Oregon is uh, he's. 697 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 2: A big prospect. So he's a big boy six four exactly, yeah, 698 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 2: six y four. He can go. 699 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: So that's sort of hot. Look, we just did it 700 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: last year. We just did this last year. Is kind 701 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: of what you have to put yourself through, the exercise 702 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: to put yourself through, is Joe Walt and Lad McConkey 703 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: or Mylakue neighbors and who knows exactly, like someone who 704 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: you've never heard of because they didn't play last year. 705 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: They played incredibly poorly last year. I don't know if 706 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: it was Kingsley Suamataiya who got benched, you know, and 707 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: forced Joe Toney to get kicked out to the left. 708 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: Take like that's that's part of the calculus, is let's 709 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 1: take the number one tackle and then we feel really 710 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: good about a wide receiver in a wide receiver class, exactly. 711 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: And that's kind of what you know. And you look 712 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: at edge edges, deep man, Shamar Stewart and Nick Scrton, 713 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: James Pierre, those guys are all be gone. Joh Hot 714 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: Campbell's somebody that's interesting that DJ brought up because he 715 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,959 Speaker 1: played linebacker just because Dallas Turner was ahead of him, 716 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: Will Anderson was ahead of him. But then you look 717 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: at the reps when he's playing edge and he is 718 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: a freaking missile go. So that stuff's interesting. Like we said, 719 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: the guards, Tyler Booker, Grey's Abel who already went through 720 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: defensive tackle. So you know, that's kind of your it's 721 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,239 Speaker 1: kind of your preview Okay, so let's finish with this 722 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: Julil DeVante Adams and the conversation surrounding him. I've been 723 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: hearing it right, Yeah, And so he wants to play 724 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: on the West Coast. Some people are starting to suggest 725 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: that the Rams might be trying to run a power 726 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: play on Stafford and say, well, you know, get a 727 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: little something for you and get a little something for 728 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: Cooper Cup And next thing you know, there's an Aaron 729 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: Rodgers DeVante Adams reunion in Rams uniforms. It sounds a 730 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: little crazy to me. I don't know why you move 731 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: on from a top ten quarterback in the league that 732 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: took you and won a Super Bowl and was playing 733 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: the Eagles better than anybody else to breat him in 734 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 1: the playoffs. But I agree, that's kind of what the 735 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 1: conversation is. So just kind of your thoughts. You ever 736 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: played Davante? 737 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 2: I played Davante. Obviously he's not a burner, but he 738 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 2: can take the top off. I know, I'm like mixing 739 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 2: my words when I say that, but he has football 740 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,760 Speaker 2: speed probably arguably the best routes in the game. Silky 741 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 2: smooth really really gets in and out of his breaks 742 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 2: really well. And I don't really view him as a 743 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 2: character issue. Guys. I know, being at the Raiders, there 744 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 2: was a lot of it was a crap show over there. 745 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 2: Just to be said, it was a crap show, right, 746 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 2: and he wasn't happy with a lot of things that 747 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 2: was going on. But throughout his career when I was 748 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 2: in the league being around him, no guys have been 749 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 2: around him, haven't ever viewed him as that kind of receiver, 750 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 2: never viewed him as a diva. Now is he a 751 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 2: number one apps? A positively LOWT? He is? So do 752 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 2: we go get him? I think I feel that this 753 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 2: be a big push to go get him. Honestly, obviously 754 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 2: they just T Higgins has been a big talk, but 755 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 2: he's just been franchise tagged, right. 756 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: I guess so, I'm someone sent me a text that 757 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: said that T was tagged, but I don't see it. 758 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 2: They're planning to tag him. 759 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: Maybe that's what it is. 760 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 2: So maybe they're planning to tag him, you. 761 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: Know, I don't want to out whoever it was that 762 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: someone sent me a text though it looks like T 763 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: got tagged, But I'm looking at it now and I 764 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 1: just do not see it. I guess kind of it's 765 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,840 Speaker 1: what everybody is has heard that if they can't figure 766 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: something out, they're going to tag him until they can. 767 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: Is maybe what it was. So I thought he got tagged. Okay, 768 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 1: so my corrections and retractions on me. 769 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, so neither here or there, right, So if he's 770 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 2: not tagged, obviously, that's the opposu. Right, if he is 771 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 2: tagged DeVante Adams, you got to go big name. You 772 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 2: gotta go big name. You gotta go a superstar guy 773 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 2: who can stress the field number one. You can build 774 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 2: your offense around him. And then you have Ladd in 775 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 2: the slot in outside, who you can do a lot 776 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 2: of different stuff with. Teams can't roll the coverage, team 777 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,280 Speaker 2: can't double Ladd. Now if you do double, you're doubling. 778 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 2: You're doubling the number one and you're Dublin Lad. And 779 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,359 Speaker 2: then now you're creating opportunities to really get this offense explosive. Yeat. 780 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: I mean, let DeVante played the X and he's I 781 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,320 Speaker 1: think his yards, what do you have almost eleven hundred 782 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: last year, eight touchdowns, and think about what he was 783 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: playing with, you know, just the circus that he was under, 784 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: the tenth that he was under, and the circus that 785 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,800 Speaker 1: was being run that he had to deal with with 786 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 1: the Raiders and then with the Jets and that mess, 787 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 1: and yet he gets out of there with I think 788 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: eighty five catches, eleven hundred yards, eight touchdowns. His drop 789 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: rate was the highest of his career. I think it's 790 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: a little over ten percent of targets. I think, so 791 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: it was a little bit high. But you know, I'm 792 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: not worried about that. It hasn't been an issue. 793 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 2: Still, He's still very, very very productive. 794 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, And like you said, it's not necessarily about the individual, 795 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: it's about how they fit, you know. And how like 796 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 1: when you talk about t Higgins and is this guy 797 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: really worth thirty million bucks, I said, well, just kind 798 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 1: of envision how he fits. Don't worry about what he's 799 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: stats are going to be on the Chargers. Think about 800 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,800 Speaker 1: what it would mean to put him on the field 801 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: at the X with Lad at the slot and how 802 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,399 Speaker 1: that works together. So just kind of look at it. 803 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: Think about Herbert's stats as opposed to individual stats. 804 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 2: If you ask Herbert if he thinks he's worth thirty million, 805 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 2: I guarantee you he'll say. 806 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: Yes, yes he is, as he is. So, uh So 807 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: we'll keep an eye on that it doesn't seem like 808 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: anyone's going to trade for DeVante Adams with a thirty 809 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,400 Speaker 1: five million dollar salary, that that's gonna probably be a 810 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: cut unless the Jets feel like bringing him back, which 811 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: would be awfully weird. Yeah, so that's my guess, and 812 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 1: that's I think probably going to do it for us. 813 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,800 Speaker 1: That's sort of your your combine primer, uh, free agency 814 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 1: slash franchise tag, you know, window opening on Tuesday of 815 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: this week, primer. I think we kind of covered it all, 816 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: and certainly with free agency coming upon us, we'll be 817 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 1: out of the combine. That's where a lot of deals 818 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,839 Speaker 1: get done when trades are going down. So we'll get 819 00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 1: all that and again, make sure you're it's not just 820 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,840 Speaker 1: going to you once a week. Next week. Will be 821 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: posting pods at the end of every day Tuesday, Wednesday, 822 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: and Thursday, so be sure to check your your podcast 823 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 1: player for the updates. Uh check the YouTube if you 824 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,359 Speaker 1: want to watch the video component and see all these 825 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 1: great people and Julil's certainly appreciate it. 826 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 2: Me Mike, we have money. 827 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: Thanks, all right, we'll see you next week. Both up. Everybody,