1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: AM Paranormal podcast network. Now get ready for another episode 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 1: of Strange Things with Joshua P. Warren. The thoughts and 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: opinions expressed by the host our thoughts and opinions only, 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 1: and do not necessarily reflect those of I Heart Media, 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast A out, employees of 7 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: premier networks or their sponsors and associates. You are encouraged 8 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: to do the proper amount of research yourself, depending on 9 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: the subject matter and your needs. You hat ready to 10 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: find the wizard of Weird. This is Strange Things with 11 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: Josha Warren. I am Joshua B. Warren, and each week 12 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: on this show, I'll be bringing you brand new mind 13 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: blowing content, news exercises, and weird experiments you can do 14 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: at home, and a lot more on this edition of 15 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: the show. The Brown Mountain Lights Part two, one evening. 16 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: I think it was in the late nineteen nineties. I 17 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 1: was at the One Overlook and this pickup truck pulled 18 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: up beside me. A guy with the beard wearing a 19 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: ball cap got out and we started chatting as we 20 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: were looking at the ridge in the distance and He 21 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: told me that he had lived in that area his 22 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: whole life, and he had done a lot of hunting 23 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: and had a very bizarre experience several years before he 24 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: left out sort of early one day by himself, going 25 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: down a trail in a path into the mountains with 26 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: his gun, and all of a sudden, this just really big, 27 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: sort of camouflage looking military vehicle appeared out of nowhere 28 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: and just went blazing right by him. He said, I 29 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: don't think they even saw me. Uh, And he wondered, 30 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: where the heck are they going? And you know, like 31 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: a half hour later, he got to the end of 32 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: this path and it was a dead end. He said, 33 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: I know this thing didn't fly away, so I can 34 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: only imagine that it went underground. So anyway, he continued walking. 35 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: Not too long after that, he passed this vast meadow 36 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: to his right side, and uh, he said, he looked 37 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: over in the middle of this meadow, right as the 38 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: sun was hitting it, and he saw something very shiny, 39 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: very reflective in the meadow, and he was curious, so 40 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: he decided to take a little detour, and he walked 41 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 1: over to this spot and he looked down and he said, 42 00:02:55,560 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: when he got there, the shiny reflective effect sort of disappeared, 43 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: and instead all he saw was a deep hole in 44 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: the ground. There was a few inches in diameter. So 45 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: he thought, well, this day is just getting stranger and stranger. Well, 46 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: he didn't have any success hunting, and so right after 47 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: it got dark, he was making his way back. And 48 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: as he was on this little ridge and he got 49 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: to that field, well, now he could see there was 50 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: some kind of commotion in that field. He could hear 51 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: him in talking, he could see flashlights waving around. So 52 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: he very quietly sort of crept out of the woods 53 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: and he saw that there was a circle of trucks 54 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: that were sort of parked around this hole that he 55 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: had had seen earlier, and there was all these guys 56 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: are running around, shining flashlights and talking about something. And 57 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: he said, I gotta figure out what's going on. So 58 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: he started walking, uh over towards this spot, he said, 59 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: but I just took a few steps, and all of 60 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: a sudden, he said, it sounded like three or four 61 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: guys with machine guns just all let loose and they 62 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: were firing at this hole. They didn't even notice that 63 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: he was there. They're shooting the heck out of this 64 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: hole and he just hit the deck. You know, he 65 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: was scared to death, and as soon as he could 66 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: he got out of there. He said, I have no 67 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: idea how to explain this. What were these military, you know, 68 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: people doing up there? What was in the ground? Why? 69 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: Why were they shooting at something? Obviously, whatever is happening 70 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: happening at Brown Mountain has gained the interest of some 71 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: people in the government. In fact, I know a professional 72 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: photographer who was getting some great pictures of the lights, 73 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: and he was actually visited by one of these mysterious 74 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: men in black types who basically bribed him and said, look, 75 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: if you just forget about this and you stopped publishing 76 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: these pictures, well we're gonna give you this. And I 77 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: don't want to go into details because this is a 78 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 1: true store and I don't want to compromise this guy's privacy. 79 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: So you think to yourself, all right, well, what what 80 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: are these things? What's the big deal with these balls 81 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: of light? People see them at a distance, But what 82 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: happens when, you know, if you get a closer look, Well, 83 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: listen to this. I was absolutely delighted when I was 84 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: finally able to hear about and then interview a man 85 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: named Tommy Hunter who had a heck of an experience 86 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty two. Now, Tommy Hunter was what you 87 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: might call a good old boy. Okay, I think he 88 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: worked as an auto mechanic, and uh, you know, he 89 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: was just, you know, a very rural guy who lived 90 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: in that area, who certainly had no interest in sensationalizing anything. 91 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: And he told me that he was up at the 92 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: overlook one night and had a truly mind boggling experience. 93 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: What I think is so amazing about his story is 94 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: that there were nine witnesses there, and I talked to 95 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: most of them and they all told me the same thing. 96 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: One of the witnesses actually was at the time I 97 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: talked to her, an officer on active duty in the military, 98 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: and she didn't want her name used because she didn't 99 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: want people to think she was, like, you know, crazy 100 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: or whatever. So Tommy Hunter, who is dead now, was 101 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: up there one evening with a group of people who 102 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: had gone out, you know, just to look for the lights. 103 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: They had friends and family and uh, A's at one 104 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: point you have to realize this overlook on one eight 105 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: one is right next to uh sort of a ravine 106 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: that goes down to a valley and Brown Mountain is 107 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: across the valley, and so they looked over and up 108 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 1: from the valley floats this ball of light that is 109 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: about three times the size of basketball. It's uh, sort 110 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: of you know, white slash kind of yellowish in color, 111 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: and so it's floating a few feet above the ground, 112 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: and of course everybody gasped and ran away from it, 113 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 1: except for Tommy Hunter. He's like the guy in the 114 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: movie Fire and the guy you know, Travis Walton. He decides, 115 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: I'm the one who's gonna go toward this thing. So 116 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: he walks up to it, and everybody's screaming at him. 117 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: Get away from that. Do you go crazy? And so 118 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: he walked up and it's hovering right there in front 119 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: of him, buzzing slightly, and he decided to touch it. 120 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: So Tommy Hunter reached out and touched this ball of light. 121 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: And what happened next really comes from mainly the description 122 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: of the witnesses, because I think it kind of knocked 123 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: him out a little bit, because he said the last 124 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: thing he remembered as he is filling an electrical shock, 125 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: like sticking his finger in a light socket. And then 126 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: the people who were there watching said that when that happened, 127 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: the light dimmed slightly, and then he was basically knocked out, 128 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: you know, and and on on the on the ground, 129 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: you know, at least for a few moments. But it 130 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: did not discharge the light. The light was still there 131 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: for a while, and then the light finally sort of 132 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: bounced around some more and it just drifted right back 133 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: down into the ravine and disappeared in the woods. And 134 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: so there was definitely something akin to an electrical sensation 135 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: that he got from touching this thing. So but you know, again, 136 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: it didn't it didn't permanently hurt him. Uh, but he 137 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: just very matter of fact he told me about his 138 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: his experience. And you know what, since then, I have 139 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: talked to other people or I've certainly read stories like, 140 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: for example, there was a news story about somebody who 141 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: had a similar experience. Uh, this was a new story. 142 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: I gosh, this was a few years ago, I guess, 143 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: um time flies, I'm gonna say five or six years 144 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: ago about some people who were at the overlook and 145 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: claimed that a light appeared and then chase their car. 146 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: And they were speeding away and one of these lights 147 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: chased their car. For like over a mile. There are 148 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: so many weird stories about what they are that it 149 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: makes you wonder, Okay, are we dealing with something that 150 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: is a conscious being of light or is this just 151 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: some kind of an amazing natural phenomenon. You have all 152 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: of these stories about the place being haunted, being a portal. 153 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: You have cryptids up there, like pumpkin Man, not to 154 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: be confused with pumpkin Head, but this sort of you know, 155 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: bigheaded creature with like kind of a a wilted looking 156 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: body that runs around in the leaves at night. Uh. Um. 157 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: My friend Brett Clark as a filmmaker. He took pictures 158 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: of all kinds of really bizarre contrails from aircraft over 159 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: top of the mountain. Um. I talked to a friend 160 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: who said that he had a missing time experience up there. 161 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: Uh and and almost I think he basically said what happened. 162 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: It was it was more of like a space time 163 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: distortion where he's kind of like on one side of 164 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: the ridge at one point, or on one side of 165 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: the like the gorge, and then all of a sudden 166 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: he's on the other side. And then you have these 167 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: stories about these big flaming balls of light the people 168 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: see shooting literally across the gorge that some people describe 169 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: as like a chariot of fire. And then you know, 170 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: when I started camping up there, there were times when 171 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: at night I would hear what sounded like footsteps in 172 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: the crunchy, dry autumn leaves, lots of footsteps, the footsteps 173 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: of dozens or hundreds of people, and I wow, I wonder, 174 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: I wonder if these are the ghosts of some Native 175 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: Americans that were creeping into battle, just like one of 176 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: the old legend says, right, all this is running through 177 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: my head. A fantasma, gorya, a phenomena is being reported 178 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: up here. So when we come back from this break, 179 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what actually happened when we got 180 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: serious about camping up there, and the very first time 181 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: that we saw and videotaped legitimate brown mountain lights, and 182 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: something wild that happened I'll i to this day, I 183 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: can't fully explain it. And then finally when I had 184 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: my own, well let's just call it close encounter with 185 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: the brown mountain light. 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Welcome 216 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: back to Strange Themes on the I Heart Radio and 217 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast t M para normal podcast network. I 218 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: am your host, the Wizard of Weird, Joshua pet Warren, 219 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: and I will never forget November of two thousands. It 220 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: was primarily a really rainy, cold and miserable month and 221 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: the Round Mountain area that was the month. However, when 222 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: we got the first outstanding footage of weird lights on 223 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: Brown Mountain. Brian Irish was the imaging specialist for the 224 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: Lemur team that I founded, and Brian had a sony 225 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: handicam with the night shot feature on it, and that 226 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: was quite a novelty at that time. And so one 227 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: evening we were at the overlook. I was with Lauren 228 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: and a bunch of friends and other investigators, and we 229 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: got these really weird lights that appeared moving across the mountain. 230 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: And we fought at first that maybe we had gotten 231 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: the first video footage of the Brown Mountain lights that night, 232 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: but later on, after more testing, we concluded that those 233 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: were most likely four wheeler lights. However, I believe it 234 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: was the following weekend when we really got what I 235 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: believe is the first good footage ever of the Brown 236 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: Mountain lights. And on that weekend, it was just miserable. 237 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: It was just coming a downpour and it was so 238 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: windy and cold, and you you'd almost have to be 239 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: insane to be up there at the overlook. I was 240 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: there with Brian Irish and Lauren and my good friends 241 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: Casey and Corey Fox, who are brothers, And that night, 242 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: what was so outstanding is that it was so stormy 243 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: you couldn't really even see the mountain itself, and yet 244 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: when the lights were appearing, they were just cutting right 245 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: through all of that gloom, and they were on these 246 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: sheer rock faces, and there's just no way it could 247 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: have been a conventional light. And you could see these 248 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: lights sort of breaking up into smaller lights and orbiting 249 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: around each other, and it was just amazing. It was 250 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: just an exhilarating thing. I believe that's when we actually 251 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: got the first good footage of the Brown Mount mites. 252 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: And so we finished up late that evening. It was 253 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 1: very exhausting, and we all went back to my house 254 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: and uh, we went into the kitchen and we were 255 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 1: all just standing around talking about what a night we'd had, 256 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, Casey just collapsed. Just 257 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: don't know, we were young, healthy guys. You know, we're 258 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: probably in our early twenties or something like that, I guess, 259 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: and and uh and Casey just uh just collapsed, just 260 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: hit the floor. And we were really worried about him. 261 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: And he said, I don't know what happened. I mean, 262 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: he never had that happened to him before. That was 263 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: the first bizarro thing. But he seemed okay. So, you know, 264 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: everybody went home. And then the next morning, and this 265 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: is the weirdest thing. The next morning, Lauren and I 266 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: woke up to the sound of car horns blasting in 267 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: our driveway and we're like, what the hell. So I 268 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: walked outside and we had two cars, only one of 269 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: them had actually been with us at the overlook the 270 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: night before, and yet the horns on both of the 271 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: cars were blasting, and there was I mean, we lived 272 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: in the country and there was nothing around the cars 273 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 1: at all, and so I go walking over toward them, 274 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: and right when I was a few steps away, both 275 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: the horns shut off at the same time. This is 276 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: like some kind of John Kill Mothman esque type weirdness, 277 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: some high strangeness happening around this period of time. I'm 278 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: not sure how to explain if we were tapping into 279 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 1: some energy from another dimension, or if something had followed 280 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: us home, or what was going on. But this is, 281 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: you know, one of my introductions to really being exposed 282 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: to the brown mountain lights and what that does to you. 283 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact. Uh, well that during that 284 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 1: same month, we were up there with Mark Ellis Bennett, 285 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: who is an expert infrared film photographer, and he had 286 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 1: a whole role of uh, infrared film and he shoots 287 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: he's been shooting infrared film for decades, thirty five millimeter 288 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: and when the lights were appearing, he starts firing off, uh, 289 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: you know, his camera and uh later the whole role 290 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: of film was just overexposed, So that's not he. He 291 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: would not overexpose H under those conditions if there had 292 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: not been some type of enormous amount of infrared coming 293 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: from from these lights. So being up there became very 294 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: confusing at times because sometimes you know your your equipment 295 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: with malfunction, right, and you would just be left with 296 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: your own experiences, in your own senses. And that is 297 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: why the most distinctive memory I have was being up there, 298 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: and um, I'm gonna say this was I can I'm 299 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: sure I can look it up on Brown Mountain lives 300 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: dot com And probably like two thousand and one, I 301 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: was camping up there next to Brown Mountain one night 302 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 1: with Brian Irish and Casey Fox. It was just the 303 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: three of us and we were standing outside, uh of 304 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 1: Brian had like a truck of some kind of way 305 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: where I think it was his truck. We were standing 306 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: outside at his truck, let's say. If it wasn't his truck, 307 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: it was my truck, and um, and we were just 308 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: kind of, you know, uh, just messing around and chatting 309 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: and just kind of had you know, you're always when 310 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: you're in that situation, you're always sort of looking at 311 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: the corner of your eye. And I was the first 312 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: one to notice, like, guys, what is that like? And 313 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: then we looked over and both Brian and I started 314 00:20:54,800 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: videotaping and there was this big, beautiful, white, pulsating ball 315 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: of light there was in the woods nearby. It was, however, 316 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,239 Speaker 1: on the other side of sort of a cliff, so 317 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: it wasn't something we could run over to, but it 318 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: was still, you know, pretty close, and this big light 319 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: it just kept pulsating and flickering and silently just ascended 320 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: rose straight up into the ear and you could see 321 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: it moving behind the tree branches as it got higher 322 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: and higher and higher as it just went straight up 323 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: into the sky. And if you want to see a 324 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 1: clip of that, all you have to do is go 325 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 1: to Brown Mountain Lights dot com. I told you that 326 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: site is very outdated. Uh it needs a heck of 327 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: a lot of work and I will update it soon. 328 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: But on the homepage there is a link that says 329 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: clip of UFO over Brown Mountain. Click here, you know 330 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: a clip of UFO over Brown Mountain that if you 331 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,239 Speaker 1: click that you can see this little clip of this 332 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 1: big ball of light. I mean, it just it's a 333 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: beautiful pulsating, silent ball of light that just appeared in 334 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere. We're all watching it. We videotate 335 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 1: it with two cameras, and this thing just rises right 336 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: up into the sky. So there you go. I mean, 337 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: this is this is real. Okay, whatever you think this is, 338 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: this is real. And yet and yet there is this 339 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: enormous amount of sort of like weird activity around them. 340 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I got pulled over by a deputy at 341 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: least once when I was going up there just to 342 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: spend an evening looking and and after you know, sitting 343 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: in my car for fifteen minutes, he goes, well, you know, 344 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 1: sorry about that. Your car just matched the description of 345 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: another car, you know. Then he let me go okay. 346 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: And then on another occasion, we are up at the 347 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: parking lot of Wiseman's View, another popular viewing spot for 348 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: the lights, next to the Lynnville Gorge, and uh, I 349 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: was actually with the film crew that day and we 350 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: were sort of in the parking lot getting out the 351 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: gear and talking about what we were gonna do, and 352 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, this white suv comes just like 353 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: you know, blazing into the parking lot, throwing up gravel everywhere. 354 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: And there's a guy in the passenger seat and he's 355 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: just like he had a big limbs on a big 356 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: camera and he just she just shoots pictures like crazy, 357 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: and then they go tearing off again. And the weirdest 358 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: thing to me is that right on the side of 359 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: this suv was a seal for the Commonwealth of Kentucky. 360 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: Now this is in North Carolina and Wiseman's View is 361 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: a pretty remote place. So I was thinking, why is 362 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: there a Commonwealth of Kentucky suv here? And I couldn't 363 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: figure it out for the longest time, and then I realized, 364 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: wait a second, Kentucky is where you have the Mammoth 365 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: Cave National Park, and Mammoth Cave is supposedly the longest 366 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 1: cave system uh in the world that we know of, 367 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: And so I thought, is is this all somehow related 368 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 1: to an interest in cave systems? They kind of run 369 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: through the Appalachians or something, and and strange phenomena related 370 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: to these caves. You can see how I'm trying to 371 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: to piece all this together. Right. At one point, I 372 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: mean to tell you even more, to tell you even 373 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: more about how frustrating this stuff was. At one point 374 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: I hit a trail cam up where some of the 375 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: lights were often seen, and I hit it up there 376 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: for I think a week, and then when I retrieved it, 377 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 1: I watched the footage and one night at two o'clock 378 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 1: in the morning, and this trail cams in the middle 379 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: of nowhere. Trust me, this big bright light appeared just 380 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: right to the edge. You can see the light on 381 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 1: the edge of the trail camp, like if I could 382 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: reach out and turn that trail cam like one foot 383 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: to the left, you'd have it, you know, right there 384 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: in in in frame. And so frustrating how it was 385 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 1: just like almost impossible to get a good close direct 386 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: look at these even though I had that one experience 387 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 1: of seeing this light rise up into the sky. And 388 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: so after gathering all of this information and all of 389 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: this data, I said, look, why don't we try to 390 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 1: see if we can reproduce something like these lights in 391 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: the laboratory. So what we did was we took all 392 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: the angles of all the cliffs where these lights have 393 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: been appearing, and I designed a chamber and acrylic chamber 394 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: where we could produce a partial vacuum, and then put 395 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: some electrodes in there that were angled very much like 396 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 1: the angles of the cliffs around Brown Mountain to see 397 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: what would have than if these electric fields would interact, 398 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 1: and what we got made the cover of a science journal. 399 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: But then something happened that to this day blows my 400 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: mind even more. I'm Joshua Pete Warren. 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Hi, 453 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: this is George Noor and you're listening to the new 454 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: ir Heart Radio on Coast to Coast DAM Paranormal Podcast Network. 455 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: Now Let's get back to Strange Things with Joshua p. Ward. 456 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Strange Thing on the I Heart Radio 457 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast Damn Parmin Normal Podcast Network. I'm 458 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: your host, Joshua Pete Warren, and this is the show 459 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: where the unusual becomes usual. You know, we recovered my 460 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: team and I by all kinds of television programs, Discovery Channel, 461 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,239 Speaker 1: Travel Channel. One time we were doing a shoot up 462 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: there with the National Geographic Channel and Dean Worsing captured 463 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: a light that was so weird that it was sent 464 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: to the Princeton Optics Lab for analysis. And Dean was 465 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: actually I was standing right next to him when he 466 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: filmed this. We were at Wiseman's view. He had a 467 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: night vision camera which is only supposed to show green imagery, 468 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: but despite that, a blue light appeared. Yeah, we've never 469 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: figured that one out. And in the blue light went 470 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: sweeping around the gorge in front of him. And so 471 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: nat GEO took his camera and his night vision goggles 472 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: that were strapped to them and all that stuff and 473 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: sent them to the Princeton Optics Lab and they said 474 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: right there on National TV quote, we basically went through 475 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: all of the wavelengths starting from ultra violet and all 476 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: the way to the near infrared, and we were not 477 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: able to replicate the blue color. It is unexplained at 478 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: this point in quote. How do you like that, Princeton. 479 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: That's why if you go to Joshua P. Warren dot com, 480 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: you should click the link to the parat temporal night 481 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: vision goggles. That's the only type of night vision that 482 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: I use when I'm doing paranormal research. It's in my 483 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: curiosity shop there, parat temporal night vision. So anyway, um, 484 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: what I did was I created this, you know, vacuum chamber, 485 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: and I said, let take the angles we see on 486 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,719 Speaker 1: some of these cliffs around Brown Mountain, and let's emulate 487 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: those angles with these electrodes. And we'll take some of 488 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: the air out of the chamber so that a lower 489 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: voltage will act like a bigger voltage because it has 490 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: less resistance. And when we had all these different angles 491 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: of electrodes intersecting, voila boom. I was in the lab 492 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: with Charles Yost and Robert McGhee, and here we have 493 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: this ball of light that appears hovering in the middle 494 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 1: of this chamber. It was a magical moment, and I 495 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: will I would have been just elated to end the 496 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: story right there. But the real mind blower is that 497 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: here we are standing there in the laboratory looking at 498 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: this ball of light, and we start talking about whether 499 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: or not this ball of light might be similar to 500 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: what people see when they see UFOs. And then right 501 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: right there before our eyes, this ball of light transforms 502 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: into a saucer shape, as if it is a conscious, 503 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: sensitive ball of light. Now, that ball of light was 504 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: made of what we call plasma, the fourth state of matter. Uh. 505 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: Looking up, if you're not sure what I'm talking about, 506 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: you know, obviously a solid is a state like like ice, 507 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: as a state, liquids a state like water. Gas is 508 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: a state like steam. And then there is this fourth 509 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 1: state called plasma. Uh. Plasma is the state that a 510 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: candle flame exists in, or a lightning bolt exists in. 511 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: And it seemed to me that this demonstrated that whatever 512 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: is causing what we see the things around Brown Mountain 513 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: apparently are in the plasma state. And this made the 514 00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: cover of the Electric Spacecraft Journal, a science journal, and 515 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: it was published October of two thousand four. And I 516 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 1: believe that we are some of the very few paranormal 517 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: investigators who made the cover of a science journal. So 518 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: I've been talking for a long time about how I 519 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 1: thought that whatever was causing these things, that they were 520 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: something like a plasma. And Ed Phillips I mentioned in 521 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: the part one of this uh he is the director 522 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: for for tourism in Burke County. He started doing these symposiums. 523 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: The first one was in two thousand and twelve, and 524 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 1: at that time the media had always been trying to 525 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 1: sort of pit me against Dr Dan Kayton from Appalachian 526 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 1: State University because they would always say like, well, here's 527 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: Joshua Warren, the believer. You know, he's the wacky believer, 528 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: and now here is the skeptical scientists from Appalachian State 529 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:57,359 Speaker 1: University and UM. And Dr Kayton would always say, like, 530 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: in the beginning, while these might be just you know, 531 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: a loose usians or you know, some kind of starlight 532 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: being reflected or refracted all that kind of stuff, And 533 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 1: I was always saying, I think these might be plasmas, 534 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 1: and then UM and and it it made matters worse. 535 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: Like when we did our symposium, Dr Kayton would stand 536 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 1: there and look down his nose at me and all 537 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: these forest rangers and physicists and all these lifelong residents 538 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,959 Speaker 1: who had observed the lights, and he would publicly say 539 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: things like, I'm a real scientist, I don't just play 540 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 1: one on TV. And I've never seen the lights. So 541 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: you get the picture of, like, you know, the the 542 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: situation here, uh, and you know which is obviously I 543 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,839 Speaker 1: mean you're talking about. I guess a real scientist gets 544 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: to spend taxpayer money, unlike us sort of self funded, 545 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 1: independent enthusiasts who camp up there all the time, but 546 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: have the trouble telling the difference between a campfire and 547 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 1: a four wheeler and a flashlight and a bunch of 548 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: spectacular multicolored lights that bounce on a sheer cliff and 549 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 1: then floating to the sky while producing radio interference for 550 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,919 Speaker 1: a mile. So you know, a lot of people were 551 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: bothered by this this dynamic. But even he started saying, well, 552 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: you know, I'm thinking maybe this is more of a 553 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: plasma thing like ball lightning. And I'm going, yeah, exactly. 554 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: You know, I think that we're you know, we're finding 555 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: some common ground here. And so as more and more 556 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,320 Speaker 1: interest picked up, Uh, Like I mentioned before, the overlook 557 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: got cleaned up there's a nice sign there, picnic tables there. 558 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: And I started looking at some of the factors that 559 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: might be in common, um when people see the lights 560 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 1: most prominently, and and here is what we kind of 561 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,360 Speaker 1: came up with, all right, to predict an appearance of 562 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: the lights. There are many complex variables involved here, but 563 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 1: it seems like that most of the time people have 564 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,760 Speaker 1: really good sightings in late October or the first half 565 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 1: of November. That maybe because there is some kind of 566 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 1: a temperature change that um is is dramatic, you know. 567 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 1: It's it's the difference between the daytime temperature and the 568 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: nighttime temperature is more uh pronounced, and that might cause 569 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: some kind of a contraction and expansion of the rocks 570 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: around the mountain, especially due to the fact that the 571 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 1: mountain is almost completely encircled by thrust faults. And these 572 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 1: are these are faults that sort of slide up and 573 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 1: down on top of each other and underneath each other. 574 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: It gives it some flexibility. UM. So it's like the 575 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 1: mountains dynamic, you know. Second, it seems to to do 576 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: uh or it seems to be a good thing if 577 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: it's either raining or a rain has recently occurred and 578 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: My feeling is that that might be because the mountain 579 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 1: is acting kind of like a big capacitor that stores 580 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:03,319 Speaker 1: up small electrical charges over time to a critical point 581 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 1: and then sort of discharges them. So, in other words, 582 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 1: as water flows through the mountain through those crags and tunnels, 583 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 1: it kind of might build up a charge on some 584 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 1: of those rock layers. And some of those layers are 585 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: conductive and some are non conductive, which means literally the 586 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 1: mountain might act like a big capacitor that stores up 587 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:29,240 Speaker 1: energy similar to a battery. Next is if the KP 588 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 1: index is at a level five or above. Now I 589 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 1: know I might lose you on that one. The KP 590 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 1: index is a measurement of how disturbed the Earth's magnetic 591 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: field is the magneto sphere. It's always wobbling and changing around, 592 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 1: and so, uh, we're dealing with a larger system here 593 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,319 Speaker 1: than just what meets the eye. And so you can 594 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 1: go to Brown Mountain whites dot com or just jump 595 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: on the internet and do a search for KP index 596 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,800 Speaker 1: and it will show you what the reading is for today. 597 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,439 Speaker 1: And if it's a five or above, that means there's 598 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 1: a lot of disturbance. There's a lot of action happening, 599 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 1: and that might induce more of an electrical charge in 600 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 1: the earth because the magnetic field wobbles around and that 601 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 1: makes more electrical current flow through the rocks. And the 602 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: last thing is if there is an increased level of 603 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 1: carbon in the air. And I say that because whenever, um, 604 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,440 Speaker 1: we've had forest fires nearby, the light seemed to be 605 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 1: more pronounced. Or when you have more campers out there 606 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 1: burning campfires, the light seemed to be more pronounced. And 607 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:40,320 Speaker 1: so um, those maybe four factors. And I'm not saying 608 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 1: that you can't see the lights year round. I mean 609 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 1: I had some good friends, one of them just recently 610 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 1: passed away, and they would go up there every summer, 611 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 1: every July and and spend every day at Wiseman's View 612 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,319 Speaker 1: and around the big rocks there, Table Rock and hawks Bill, 613 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,320 Speaker 1: and they would get some amazing images of the lights. 614 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,719 Speaker 1: But those are I think the four things, and those 615 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,839 Speaker 1: are repeated for you at Brown Mountain Lights dot com. 616 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 1: One if you want the best chances, view the area 617 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,800 Speaker 1: in late October or the first half of November. Number 618 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: two if it's raining or has recently reigned. Number Three. 619 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 1: The KP index is five or above, and then last, 620 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 1: if there is an extraordinary amount of carbon in the air, well, 621 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 1: guess what. We're gonna take a break here soon. But 622 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 1: guess what finally happened? Yes, even Dr Caton and uh 623 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,840 Speaker 1: and his crew saw and documented the Brown Mountain lights. 624 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: This happened, let's say, Well, it was announced in the 625 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:50,160 Speaker 1: Charlotte Observer August of two thousand sixteen. Uh W los 626 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,839 Speaker 1: dot com says scientists from Appalachian State University believed they 627 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: have captured images of the elusive Brown Mountain lights. 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I'm your host, Joshua pe Warren And in 680 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,839 Speaker 1: that two thousand sixt report, Yeah, Dr Kayton said, this 681 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:06,319 Speaker 1: is the first time we've had a dual detection the 682 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,400 Speaker 1: phenomenon on both cameras. It was something out there. It 683 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:15,440 Speaker 1: came on and went back off virtually instantly, four times 684 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:20,440 Speaker 1: over several minutes. We've eliminated all the things that are 685 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,480 Speaker 1: likely man made natural sources, so we are left with 686 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:28,440 Speaker 1: no real explanation other than it's whatever the lights may 687 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:33,520 Speaker 1: actually be in quote. So you see, we've all found 688 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:38,479 Speaker 1: that if you spend enough time out there, eventually you're 689 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:44,040 Speaker 1: going to see this phenomenon. But here's what ticks me off. Okay, 690 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,440 Speaker 1: this is one of the reasons I say you have 691 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,080 Speaker 1: to always distinguish very clearly between the TV business and 692 00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:54,000 Speaker 1: real research. And two thousand nineteen, I was up at 693 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,239 Speaker 1: Brown Mountain because I was hired to be part of 694 00:45:56,239 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 1: a major television production and they were bragging about the 695 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,719 Speaker 1: fact that they had a guy there who was a 696 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:08,080 Speaker 1: big licensed drone operator. He had the biggest, fanciest drone 697 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:12,840 Speaker 1: I'd ever seen, and I said, man, this is fantastic. 698 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,520 Speaker 1: You know, to have a drone like this. Now, if 699 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,279 Speaker 1: a light appears in the distance, you know, zoom over there. 700 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,360 Speaker 1: So all day long he gets all these sweeping shots 701 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,960 Speaker 1: with the drone, and then nighttime rolls around and we're 702 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,880 Speaker 1: out there at Wiseman's view and I was thinking, there's 703 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,680 Speaker 1: very little chance that the lights are going to appear, 704 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,879 Speaker 1: because over the fifteen years I was camping up there, 705 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,960 Speaker 1: I only had a good sighting maybe half a dozen times. 706 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:47,160 Speaker 1: But lo and behold, we lucked out. As we were there, 707 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,400 Speaker 1: a little after sundown, I'm standing next to Forest Connor. 708 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:55,480 Speaker 1: We look over and holy cow, I can see, I know, 709 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,399 Speaker 1: the real brown mountain lights start to appear. And I 710 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,640 Speaker 1: said to the guy with the drone, fly it over there, 711 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,480 Speaker 1: fly it right up to them, you know, let's see. 712 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,080 Speaker 1: And he goes, I can't do that. I said, what 713 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,239 Speaker 1: are you talking about? This whole TV show is one 714 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,719 Speaker 1: hour on a major network about solving the mystery of 715 00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,600 Speaker 1: the brown mountain lights. I said, there they are. You 716 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,799 Speaker 1: have the drone. Fly the drone right over. He says, yeah. 717 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,080 Speaker 1: They told me I couldn't fly it after dark or 718 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,920 Speaker 1: I'll get a big fine. I was like, well, why 719 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:31,840 Speaker 1: are we here? Then I told the guy I will 720 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:37,520 Speaker 1: pay your fine. I'll pay the damn fine. Just turn 721 00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:42,440 Speaker 1: it on, you know, fly it over. He wouldn't do it. 722 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,200 Speaker 1: He wouldn't do it. You know how frustrating that is 723 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,600 Speaker 1: to be in my position and to see something like 724 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,280 Speaker 1: that that's been a mystery for you know, hundreds of years. 725 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,800 Speaker 1: And there's a guy with with a professional TV quality 726 00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,200 Speaker 1: drone as part of a professional TV crew and as 727 00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,560 Speaker 1: this miraculous golden moment and won't fly at over. You 728 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:13,040 Speaker 1: know how frustrating that is for me. So listen. I've 729 00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,359 Speaker 1: been to Marfa, I've seen the Marpha lights. I think 730 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,960 Speaker 1: it's a different thing. When you get close to the 731 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:23,399 Speaker 1: Marpha lights, they tend to disappear like they might be 732 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,960 Speaker 1: an optical illusion. There's a place in Norway called Hestlin 733 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,759 Speaker 1: where where there's a very similar phenomenon to the Brown 734 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,040 Speaker 1: Mountain lights, but instead of it being on a mountain, 735 00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,640 Speaker 1: it's in a valley. And I think that places like 736 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:41,359 Speaker 1: Brown Mountain are are portals. Okay, they produced so much 737 00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:46,120 Speaker 1: energy that the lights are just the most obvious illustrations. 738 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,840 Speaker 1: But there, you know, you have a myriad of experiences 739 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,880 Speaker 1: and they're all byproducts of a place that conducts this 740 00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,920 Speaker 1: kind of electrical and electro magnetic energy. You know, the 741 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,440 Speaker 1: Canadian scientist Mike Michael Persinger has said that when people 742 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:08,160 Speaker 1: come into contact with electro magnetic frequencies at a certain rate, 743 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,120 Speaker 1: or or are at a certain magnitude, they can start 744 00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:15,320 Speaker 1: to have paranormal experiences. Maybe that's part of it. Uh. 745 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,320 Speaker 1: Maybe some of these are what we you know, are 746 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:23,200 Speaker 1: we consider fairies, like conscious beings of light. Maybe these 747 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,719 Speaker 1: lights are coming from the ends of wormholes to another dimension. 748 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,400 Speaker 1: You know, we're looking in the window. Uh. The author 749 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:36,799 Speaker 1: Page Bryant and her classic nineteen book called These Spiritual 750 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:41,040 Speaker 1: Reawakening of the Great Smoky Mountains said that Brown Mountain 751 00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,480 Speaker 1: is a vortex. It is a place where energy is 752 00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:48,879 Speaker 1: passing back and forth. And um so it's table rock 753 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,000 Speaker 1: and hawks Bill, these two big points right near there. 754 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,799 Speaker 1: So again it goes back to the idea that this 755 00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,640 Speaker 1: is some kind of a fantasmagoria. The lights are one 756 00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,239 Speaker 1: expression of this, but it doesn't explain at all. And 757 00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:07,920 Speaker 1: the government definitely studies this stuff for some reason. So 758 00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,480 Speaker 1: before we're out of time here, let me read to 759 00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:14,040 Speaker 1: you the conclusion that I wrote in my free booklet 760 00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,360 Speaker 1: about this that you can download right now if you 761 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:20,400 Speaker 1: go to Brown Mountain lights dot com I wrote, whatever 762 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,480 Speaker 1: they are, the brown mountain lights remind us that Earth 763 00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:27,839 Speaker 1: is a powerful and dynamic machine. NASA has shown us 764 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,960 Speaker 1: that the very gravitational field is an inconsistent and irregular 765 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:37,160 Speaker 1: force about its surface, and enhanced imaging techniques reveal spectacular, 766 00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:41,360 Speaker 1: eerie flashes of light and electricity in and all around 767 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,239 Speaker 1: the planet. Each second, somewhere on the globe, bolts of 768 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,800 Speaker 1: lightning strike the ground, banging the earth like a giant 769 00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:53,600 Speaker 1: drum and strumming out cosmic harmonies. Whether the lights begin 770 00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:58,400 Speaker 1: with something geologic, atmospheric, or truly interdimensional, there is a 771 00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,640 Speaker 1: greater story here. If we strip away all the opinions, 772 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:07,040 Speaker 1: we ultimately have a place where for over a century, 773 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,840 Speaker 1: humans from all walks of life have essentially described something 774 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:16,400 Speaker 1: simple weird lights on a dark mountain side. The geologists 775 00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:21,920 Speaker 1: focus on piezo electricity, the chemist's focus on gas, the 776 00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:27,319 Speaker 1: astronomers focus on optical illusions, the physicists focused on plasma, 777 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:31,520 Speaker 1: the spiritualist focus on ghosts, the UFO hunter's focus on 778 00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:37,000 Speaker 1: flying saucers, and the conspiracy buffs focus on mind bending plots. 779 00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:43,839 Speaker 1: Yet all the while, the songwriters, poets, and artists are 780 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:49,960 Speaker 1: just as inspired by their own personal multi colored visions. 781 00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:56,120 Speaker 1: The mountain is a phantasmagoria of strange tales, but ultimately 782 00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,920 Speaker 1: it is a vast blank slate. It is the tracing 783 00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:07,640 Speaker 1: board for all manner of human adventure, exploration, wonder and imagination. 784 00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,440 Speaker 1: Regardless of what they are, the mere concept of the 785 00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:17,200 Speaker 1: Brown Mountain lights makes them important. And in this Internet age, 786 00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:21,960 Speaker 1: when the whole universe seems right at our fingertips, how 787 00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:26,720 Speaker 1: refreshing it is to have a good old fashioned mystery 788 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:31,640 Speaker 1: still quietly waiting to be solved right here in our 789 00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:39,839 Speaker 1: own back yards. That's how I ended this booklet. And 790 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:45,920 Speaker 1: just keep in mind, this is a free attraction. You 791 00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:50,799 Speaker 1: can go there to the Pisan National Forest and sit 792 00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:56,839 Speaker 1: at overlook and enjoy, and you'll have a good night. 793 00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:58,880 Speaker 1: Whether or not you see the lights, you'll have a 794 00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,640 Speaker 1: good time out there. But you know what's even more 795 00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,920 Speaker 1: important about this, Even though we don't know exactly what 796 00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,640 Speaker 1: they are, and I've given you the best overview I 797 00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:12,839 Speaker 1: can give you into two editions of this show, this 798 00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:18,239 Speaker 1: demonstrates for you the importance of paranormal phenomena and the 799 00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:23,360 Speaker 1: importance of paranormal research. Because all things are mysterious until 800 00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:27,520 Speaker 1: they are not right. That's the purpose of science. The 801 00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:32,480 Speaker 1: purpose of science is to explore the mysterious and to 802 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:38,000 Speaker 1: examine the unknown. And if you think we know everything, well, 803 00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,520 Speaker 1: just imagine in a thousand years, scientists are going to 804 00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,560 Speaker 1: look back at us and laugh at how how little 805 00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:50,279 Speaker 1: we knew. Paranormal research is important because it embodies the 806 00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:55,000 Speaker 1: reason that we have scientific research to begin with. It's 807 00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:59,080 Speaker 1: all about looking at something that's unknown and then going 808 00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:03,920 Speaker 1: out and exp boring it. And hey, the paranormal becomes 809 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:08,880 Speaker 1: normal once we know what it is. But the whole 810 00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:14,799 Speaker 1: purpose of science and exploration is to go out and 811 00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,719 Speaker 1: look at these strange things and not scoff at them, 812 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,600 Speaker 1: but to take them seriously. And that's why paranormal investigation 813 00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:28,160 Speaker 1: is so important, because it's right there on the outer fringe, 814 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:37,120 Speaker 1: the most adventurous, speculative edge of research, and that's where 815 00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,960 Speaker 1: really the scientific method is needed the most. So I 816 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,839 Speaker 1: hope you see why that Brown Mountain is so symbolic 817 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:49,920 Speaker 1: for me as a place that shows us why paranormal 818 00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:54,200 Speaker 1: investigation is important. I hope you've enjoyed this overview. All right, 819 00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,600 Speaker 1: my friends, now it is time to relax, take some 820 00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:02,480 Speaker 1: deep breaths and I will play for you the good 821 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:07,120 Speaker 1: Fortune tone. It seems to be doing a lot of 822 00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:11,239 Speaker 1: good for a lot of people, so don't take this 823 00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:39,000 Speaker 1: for granted. Here you go. That's it for this edition 824 00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,520 Speaker 1: of the show. Follow me on Twitter at Joshua pe Warren, 825 00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,200 Speaker 1: Plus visit Joshua pe Warren dot com to sign up 826 00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:50,440 Speaker 1: for my free e newsletter to receive a free instant gift, 827 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,120 Speaker 1: and check out the cool Stuff and the Curiosity Shop 828 00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,680 Speaker 1: all at Joshua pe Warren dot com. 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