WEBVTT - An Update from StageCouch

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<v Speaker 1>This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Harrison and Lauren z Ema coming to you from

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<v Speaker 1>the home office in Austin, Texas. It has been a

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<v Speaker 1>busy couple of weeks and we're excited to sit down

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<v Speaker 1>and chat with each other, but to chat with you

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Elz. We just got done with the Mac

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<v Speaker 1>Jack McConaughey, we had our own Experience Camps, and then

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<v Speaker 1>my own experience saying goodbye to Joshua and Lacrosse. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's been busy.

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<v Speaker 2>I just realized that we've done several episodes of the podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>but not like catch up What's Up moments? So yes.

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<v Speaker 2>So many charity things lately, which has been really heartwarming

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<v Speaker 2>and wonderful. The biggest one we held an event I

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<v Speaker 2>called Cocktails for Camp for Experience Camps here at our

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<v Speaker 2>house if you haven't heard us talk about it before.

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<v Speaker 2>Experience Camps is the nonprofit that I volunteer for which

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<v Speaker 2>puts on therapeutic and super fun summer camps for grieving

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<v Speaker 2>kids for kids who have lost a parent, a primary caregiver,

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<v Speaker 2>or a sibling. So I got involved because my dad

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<v Speaker 2>died when I was in college and These camps are incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>They do so much for the kids. They give them

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<v Speaker 2>an escape from their grief, they give them counseling about

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<v Speaker 2>their grief, and they give them other kids to relate to,

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<v Speaker 2>kids who understand what they're going through. Grief is hard

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<v Speaker 2>enough for adults, it's certainly tough for kids. And the

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<v Speaker 2>reason we held this event, and what I'm so happy

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<v Speaker 2>to announce on the podcast is that Experience Camps has

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<v Speaker 2>committed to opening their first camp location here in Texas,

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<v Speaker 2>which I wish we had an applause sound effect there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the crowd goes wild.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's such wonderful news. I mean, I've been It's

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<v Speaker 2>such a privilege for me to be involved in this organization.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to be a counselor, you can apply

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<v Speaker 2>online to volunteer. If you have kids or no kids

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<v Speaker 2>who would need to go to these one of camp,

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<v Speaker 2>one of these camps, you can send them. But the

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<v Speaker 2>problem is you can apply, but the problem is there

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<v Speaker 2>are waitless at every location currently, and when you consider

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<v Speaker 2>the population of Texas, a camp is so deeply needed

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<v Speaker 2>here right now. Any grieving kids in Texas who want

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<v Speaker 2>to go to camp have to go out of state,

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<v Speaker 2>and Texas is such a big state that grief resources

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<v Speaker 2>are really spread out and scarce for lots of the

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<v Speaker 2>kids here in Texas. So I'm so excited.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things I learned at the camp from

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<v Speaker 1>the folks that came and spoke here at the house,

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<v Speaker 1>for like the kids in Uvaldi after the school shooting,

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<v Speaker 1>we're driving three and four hours to get help there

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<v Speaker 1>is Texas is greatly underserved in that area. So you

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<v Speaker 1>can follow out experience camps. It is such a phenomenal experience.

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<v Speaker 1>It's such a phenomenal organization, and I'm excited to get

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<v Speaker 1>this going in Texas. One of the things I love

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<v Speaker 1>is they really want to launch this thing where it

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<v Speaker 1>has the runway to keep going. And then, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>once you're invited, always invited back. So we have to

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<v Speaker 1>open for the kids. Yeah, we have to open new

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<v Speaker 1>doors for new kids so everybody can get involved.

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<v Speaker 2>And so we got to raise money for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's get busy.

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<v Speaker 2>That was we had a fundraising and awareness raising event

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<v Speaker 2>at our house. We had some wonderful musicians there. What

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<v Speaker 2>I tried to do was create We do these campfires

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<v Speaker 2>at camp three times a week in the week long

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<v Speaker 2>session that the kids are there, and at these campfires,

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<v Speaker 2>they take the traditional campfire idea but give it this

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<v Speaker 2>really emotional framework. And so usually a counselor or camp

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<v Speaker 2>employee will or even camp kid will like perform a song.

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<v Speaker 2>A few kids from the camp will be asked to

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<v Speaker 2>speak about their loss and their experience with loss. And

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<v Speaker 2>then at the final campfire of the week, every single

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<v Speaker 2>kid in camp gets the opportunity to get up if

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<v Speaker 2>they want, say the name of the person they lost,

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<v Speaker 2>say something about that person if they want to. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's really really meaningful. And we did a little mini

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<v Speaker 2>campfire at our event where we had some musicians perform,

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<v Speaker 2>Madison Wolf and Chrissy Finniac. Thank you to both of them.

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<v Speaker 2>They both performed songs about loss which were incredible. I

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<v Speaker 2>wish I could share them here on the podcast, but

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have the rights. But they're amazing, So give

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<v Speaker 2>them a follow.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're coming to New York soon. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be hosting the national gala for this here in a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, on May ninth, we are hosting the experience Kim

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<v Speaker 2>Scallet in New York. So I say all this to say,

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<v Speaker 2>if this is a cause that speaks to you, you

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<v Speaker 2>can donate, you can get involved. We need to raise

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<v Speaker 2>money for this camp location here in Texas, and that

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be a massive commitment for me and

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<v Speaker 2>for Chris over the next couple of years. How did

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<v Speaker 2>you feel? I haven't asked you this about the event actually,

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<v Speaker 2>because we did this kind of mini campfire and we

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<v Speaker 2>had these musicians perform and I got up and spoken.

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<v Speaker 2>We also had Andrea Palmer, a wonderful doctor from Fort Worth,

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<v Speaker 2>and her daughter Laurel I come and speak. And Laurel

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<v Speaker 2>I was a camper. They're from Fort Worth, Texas. But

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<v Speaker 2>because there's no camp in Texas, Laurel I had to

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<v Speaker 2>go to the camp in Atlanta, Georgia, and they spoke

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<v Speaker 2>about their loss of Andrea's husband, laurrealized dad Blake Palmer.

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<v Speaker 2>How did you feel listening like to me talk about

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<v Speaker 2>my dad, to them talk. What was going through your mind?

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<v Speaker 2>Or were you just worried about taking video because I

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<v Speaker 2>had demanded I'd been like, they sure to film this, babeook.

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<v Speaker 1>I was the social media warrior that I know it was.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when you hear everyone's experience with grief, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's something that, like you said, we're all touched by

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<v Speaker 1>it in very different ways. You know, some is the

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<v Speaker 1>more I guess you would call the traditional way. Like

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<v Speaker 1>my grandparents they lived a great, fruitful life and in

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<v Speaker 1>their old age they died. And the natural order, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess you would say, of things, these are rip the

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<v Speaker 1>band aid off grief moments that are out of order.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you hear how it affects, especially kids. And

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard your perspective and learning more and more every day.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you hear when you see this young woman

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<v Speaker 1>and you realize what that death did to her and

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<v Speaker 1>how it just tore her life apart, and how she's

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<v Speaker 1>pieced it back together with the help of all these

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<v Speaker 1>camps and these experiences, it is heart wrenching moving, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's oddly motivational. Just it gives you hope because these

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<v Speaker 1>people are so strong. Yeah, you hear this young girl

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<v Speaker 1>who has the strength that you would hope you would

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<v Speaker 1>have in a serious situation as an adult, with all

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<v Speaker 1>the experiences I have in my life of five decades

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<v Speaker 1>of being on this earth, and this young girl has

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<v Speaker 1>it now, unfortunately, and she had to get it because

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<v Speaker 1>it's you know, it's roll over and let your life

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<v Speaker 1>pass you by or survive. And she's thriving and it's

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<v Speaker 1>in large part due to these camps and so and

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<v Speaker 1>you hear more and more of these stories. It is.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's okay to call it motivational, like there's

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<v Speaker 1>beauty in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, babe, I love that. I mean, that's something I

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<v Speaker 2>always say. I think it makes people a little uncomfortable

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<v Speaker 2>when you say there are good things out of grief,

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<v Speaker 2>But like, I think grief made me a much stronger

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<v Speaker 2>person at a young age. It gave me perspective on

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<v Speaker 2>what mattered in life at a really young age, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's really valuable. I'm grateful for that. But you certainly

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<v Speaker 2>have to like give people the tools to succeed through

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<v Speaker 2>that hardship, like you just said, and that's something or

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<v Speaker 2>you hopeful you can give them these tools experience camps

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<v Speaker 2>give gives these kids these tools. Lorelei and herst speech said,

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<v Speaker 2>which I've heard lots of kids say. She's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>seeing that the counselors were okay, that they'd been through loss,

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<v Speaker 2>that they were okay, helped me know I would be okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Because kids are sitting here going my whole world just

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<v Speaker 2>blew up? What is my future going to be? And

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<v Speaker 2>it's also it's really hitting me what you just said

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<v Speaker 2>about like the normal way of losing people are the

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<v Speaker 2>right way. That always strikes me because that's like the

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<v Speaker 2>only thing we learn about, right And maybe it's not

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<v Speaker 2>scare kids, but when you're young and no one talks

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<v Speaker 2>about like what if someone you love dies really suddenly,

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<v Speaker 2>like or you don't get educated on how to handle it.

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<v Speaker 2>We think, oh, you grow old and you die. And

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<v Speaker 2>as I've gotten older, I feel like, actually what I

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<v Speaker 2>learn is i'd be interested in the statistics. But more

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<v Speaker 2>often than not, most people don't have the beautiful death

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<v Speaker 2>that your grandparents have, right, most people don't live into

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<v Speaker 2>their I mean, your grandmother was ninety nine and your grandfather.

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<v Speaker 1>Was what in his late eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>Most people, and I'm so glad that they lived that

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<v Speaker 2>life because they were so influential in your family. But

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<v Speaker 2>most people don't have this like beautiful live to ninety nine,

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<v Speaker 2>die in your sleep moment that your grandmother had, and

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<v Speaker 2>she went through a lot of other hardships. But we

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<v Speaker 2>don't prepare people for sudden death, for illness, for car

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<v Speaker 2>accidents for all that, and yet it's very normal. And

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<v Speaker 2>so that's why not only just being involved in Experience

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<v Speaker 2>Camps matter to me, but talking about grief and helping

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<v Speaker 2>people know that it's normal and their feelings are normal

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<v Speaker 2>even though they're hard, and that, like you just said,

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<v Speaker 2>you got to use those feelings and push through.

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<v Speaker 1>Hot on the heels of the Experienced Camps events, which

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<v Speaker 1>was awesome here at the house. There's this annual event

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<v Speaker 1>here in Austin, the Mac Jack and McConaughey, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is a huge, huge event here in Austin.

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<v Speaker 2>They were in their twelfth year, twelve years. I was

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<v Speaker 2>learning from them. I was like watching and getting inspired

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<v Speaker 2>because we had just done this very first ex Camps

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<v Speaker 2>event here in Austin, and they're in year twelve and

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<v Speaker 2>they're now on a it's like a three day charity bend.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a bender.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean there are two golf tournaments, a fashion show,

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<v Speaker 2>two concerts, and multiple and this is so much.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, Mack and Jack you probably know who

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<v Speaker 1>McConaughey is. Mac Brown, who is a former kind of

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<v Speaker 1>legendary coach here at the University of Texas, won the

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<v Speaker 1>national title back in the day with them. Now he's

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<v Speaker 1>the head coach at North Carolina. And then of course

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Ingram, who's a country music star, had a number

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<v Speaker 1>one hit back in what five and has had a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of top forty hits, eleven albums he's released in

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<v Speaker 1>Just a Sweetheart of a Guy. So Mac Brown, Jack

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<v Speaker 1>and then Matthew McConaughey, who you may have heard of,

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<v Speaker 1>and they aged three, have a separate entity and benefit

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<v Speaker 1>charity group that have to do with kids, and they

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<v Speaker 1>raise millions and millions of dollars. But as Lauren said,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a three day event has grown and grown

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<v Speaker 1>and grown. The first night there's a golf tournament and

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<v Speaker 1>then Luke Colmbs played a couple of years ago, Kenny

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<v Speaker 1>Chesney last year, with Garth Brooks this year Luke Colmbs.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm impressed because Matthew and his wife Camilla, who is

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<v Speaker 2>such a wonderful, lovely woman, they are on the ground

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<v Speaker 2>doing all of it. You know that. I think we're

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<v Speaker 2>similar to them, and we're like when you're involved in

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<v Speaker 2>some pits, show up and do it. They host things,

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<v Speaker 2>they show up at things, They really put their time

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<v Speaker 2>and energy to it, and I think they raised a

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<v Speaker 2>record amount this year, like, yeah, upwards of ten well over, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Want to sell a million millions like that. And by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, all three of them, Mac Brown, Jack Ingram

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<v Speaker 1>and McConaughey, they divide and conquer, so they are at

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<v Speaker 1>every event. So while you know, McConaughey and his wife

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<v Speaker 1>were at the fashion event, the other two guys are

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<v Speaker 1>at the golf event. They are glad handing non stop.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that They're not just to face in the

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<v Speaker 1>name of this. They actually get involved, which is cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Can we talk about the auction just for a second,

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<v Speaker 1>because you and I have been to hundreds of auctions,

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<v Speaker 1>charity auction, charity auctions. I've been to some crazy ones

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<v Speaker 1>where you're like, oh wow, that was that was nuts.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never been to an auction where an item went

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<v Speaker 1>for four point six million dollars. That happened at this auction.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you and I were out of the running

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<v Speaker 2>at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I gave up at three point nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean we've been successful, we worked hard, but

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<v Speaker 2>four point six MILLI for one thing, I thought, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not in this.

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<v Speaker 1>This is one of those auctions. As soon as they

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<v Speaker 1>did the opening bid.

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<v Speaker 2>We were out, yes, and again, I am grateful for

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<v Speaker 2>our lives and we are very we're blessed, but we're

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<v Speaker 2>not dropping a couple of million on one item. There

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<v Speaker 2>were only a few people in the room who could

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<v Speaker 2>do that. But it made me realize. I read a

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<v Speaker 2>statistic the other day that Austin has now cracked the

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<v Speaker 2>top ten cities in the country with in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>number of millionaires. We just made it for the first

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<v Speaker 2>time at number ten, and I thought, Okay, a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of those people in the.

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<v Speaker 1>Room tonight, apparently they were throwing it around. You know

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<v Speaker 1>what's funny is because I've never seen it, And I thought, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>is this interesting to me? And that I look around

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<v Speaker 1>and at this point there were thousands of people in

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<v Speaker 1>the house getting ready for the Luke Combs concert, and

0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:41.160
<v Speaker 1>everybody had their phones out, like everybody was like, this

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<v Speaker 1>is not happening. This is crazy, crazy money. But the

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<v Speaker 1>good news is it all went to a great cause,

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<v Speaker 1>great causes, and it was a hell of an event.

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<v Speaker 1>And Luke Holmbs, by the way, first time I had

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<v Speaker 1>seen him live, crushed it. My god, he has a

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<v Speaker 1>golden voice.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I back up to the auction from it? And

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<v Speaker 2>ask you a couple, you've actually been to way more

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<v Speaker 2>of these than me. I just kind of started going

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<v Speaker 2>to them when you and I started. Yes, and we've

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<v Speaker 2>hosted them together, and we definitely know. You know, when

0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:13.520
<v Speaker 2>you're hosting them, it's you're walking that line between like

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<v Speaker 2>you don't want to lecture people and be like take

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<v Speaker 2>out your walls. This is the right thing to do.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to make it a show for them. You

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<v Speaker 2>have to make it entertaining and fun. And I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I have hoared Chris Harrison out before. I we were

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<v Speaker 2>hosting an event for the men for the aim At

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<v Speaker 2>Youth Mental Health Organization in California, and I was like, Okay, everybody,

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<v Speaker 2>we're just going to raise some money at the end

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<v Speaker 2>here five hundred bucks and Chris Harrison'll come kiss you

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<v Speaker 2>on the cheek or something. Or maybe it was a thousand,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but we got a lot. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was definitely horing you out for it. Was Taye, it's

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<v Speaker 2>for the youth, it's for the kids. But when you're

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<v Speaker 2>at events like that, don't you also think it's an

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<v Speaker 2>interesting read on people, Like it's for a great cause

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<v Speaker 2>and it's wonderful. Yeah, And like we said, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>in that. I'm not playing at that level of four

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<v Speaker 2>point six million dollars for an auction item. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>interesting when you see, Like I think one thing I've

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<v Speaker 2>learned is, you know, there's some people who give when

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<v Speaker 2>they're seen giving, and then there's some people who like

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<v Speaker 2>just really do the right thing behind the scenes. The

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<v Speaker 2>best type of person is the one who will do both.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you feel like you've learned about the human.

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<v Speaker 1>Site of the human element?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, after doing so many of these events over the years.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's peer pressure, is what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm saying there are people who I know who,

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<v Speaker 2>we know who, and I don't love when people talk

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<v Speaker 2>about how much money they have. But there's some people

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<v Speaker 2>who talk about how much money they have, and then

0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:38.440
<v Speaker 2>you see them at events like this and you're like, well,

0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:40.600
<v Speaker 2>your paddle wasn't really going in the air, Like what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on? And you can't help but wonder and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>they give in private, but I don't know, what do

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<v Speaker 2>you think.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a peer There is definitely a peer pressure element,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, the raise the path when when you're

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<v Speaker 1>in that room and there's that fervor and you get

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<v Speaker 1>excited at the auction. I think there is the element

0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:59.080
<v Speaker 1>of people love to be seen being benevolent, getting recognition

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<v Speaker 1>for that very You know, there are those that will

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<v Speaker 1>just like I think someone just did this actually at

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<v Speaker 1>iz Zou they donated anonymously a truckload of money, just

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<v Speaker 1>anonymously to one of the programs there. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was sports, but still it was just interesting. It was

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<v Speaker 1>completely anonymous. But yeah, I think there is there are

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<v Speaker 1>two types of people that in.

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<v Speaker 2>Giving well, and there are two you can look at

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<v Speaker 2>it two different ways. Like one, obviously it's good the

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<v Speaker 2>money is going towards the organization and it sets an example.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's why I think it's important to volunteer publicly,

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<v Speaker 2>to donate publicly, to and take it however you want.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people, you know, there might be the element of

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I think we can all judge it.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes you're like, oh, that person really likes to be

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<v Speaker 2>seen doing what they're doing, but you also want to

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<v Speaker 2>set that example. But it's just interesting. It's an interesting

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<v Speaker 2>read on these things.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, human behavior is interesting, the crowd mentality, and I think.

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<v Speaker 2>In another life I would have liked to be a therapist.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you are in this life are Before we

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<v Speaker 1>move on from that, I just got to give a

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<v Speaker 1>shout out to Mac Brown, the head coach, and his wife.

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<v Speaker 1>I met them years ago through this Textural cult Texas

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<v Speaker 1>Cultural Trust, uh this big Arts award. This is years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>They held a luncheon that Laura Bush spoke at and

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<v Speaker 1>I met them and they were just lovely and they

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<v Speaker 1>were fans of the show and I hadn't seen him

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<v Speaker 1>in years, and he came up to me and he's

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<v Speaker 1>just been such a big supporter of of me and

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<v Speaker 1>and now of you, and they just a dear person

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<v Speaker 1>and we had several great conversations where he just put

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<v Speaker 1>his hand on my shoulder and he was just I think,

0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:42.960
<v Speaker 1>once a head coach, always a head coach. And he

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<v Speaker 1>just gave me this this long talk of love and

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<v Speaker 1>support and everything that you and I have been through

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<v Speaker 1>and how much he supported us, and I just what

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<v Speaker 1>a dear man.

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<v Speaker 2>And his wife, Sally, was so lovely to us as well.

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<v Speaker 2>They are sweet people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So just just want to send a love out

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<v Speaker 1>to North Carolina for for those of you know, those

0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:01.720
<v Speaker 1>tar Heel fans, because he's the head coach at UNC.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what you got. You got a legend over there.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't get any better than Mac Brown.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he just does it right. He's just a good person,

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<v Speaker 2>you can tell. So what did he any takeaways from

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<v Speaker 2>his coaching session with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, what's funny is you know when when everybody was

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<v Speaker 1>getting unruly at the auction and he wanted to get attention.

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<v Speaker 1>He's used to when he walks in a room, he's

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<v Speaker 1>the head fricking coach. You shut up, and when he speaks,

0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:27.520
<v Speaker 1>you listen. That's your job. And it's funny when you're

0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:30.680
<v Speaker 1>in a totally different arena he was speaking, or people

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<v Speaker 1>were getting a little roud and rowdy, and he would

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<v Speaker 1>stop and like admonish everybody, And I'm like, once a coach,

0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:39.800
<v Speaker 1>always a coach. It was funny for him to be like, hey.

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<v Speaker 2>You've said that about coaches before, and I see it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think coaches are like always coaches in and out

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<v Speaker 2>of their daily lives.

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<v Speaker 1>Great job, guys, it was a heck of a year.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I need to recover for the next twelve months.

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<v Speaker 1>We can do it again. I think that was our

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<v Speaker 1>version of version of stage coach. That's the Austin which

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<v Speaker 1>is going on now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so stage the stage coach used to be a

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<v Speaker 2>real bachelor. Remember there were a couple of seasons there

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<v Speaker 2>where there was like a real bachelor drama happening at

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<v Speaker 2>stage coach. Yeah, I'm sure it still it was a

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<v Speaker 2>real connecting moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>A music festival person.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, I went once and it is I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to look dusty.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a nightmare. It literally it's a nightmare. It's dusty,

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<v Speaker 1>it's windy, it's hot. It is just so many people

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just getting in and out. It's a nightmare.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I don't know why we do this. It

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty miserable.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of those things where I you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm not a music festival person, but I do

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<v Speaker 2>think you know, I'm not saying anything groundbreaking here, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's the social media danger sometimes of things looking great

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<v Speaker 2>on social media and did you actually enjoy it in

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<v Speaker 2>real life. Let's finish up what we've been up to

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<v Speaker 2>with what was. It'll be the perfect final moment to

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<v Speaker 2>discuss because it was a final moment for you and

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<v Speaker 2>for Josh, your wonderful son. He played his very last

0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:11.280
<v Speaker 2>lacrosse game. Ever, the TCU men's lacrosse team, go Frogs,

0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:13.680
<v Speaker 2>made it to the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 1>Made to the Semis, lost lost to the University of Texas,

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<v Speaker 1>who's awesome. By the way, Congrats to the Horns who

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<v Speaker 1>went on to win the conference. They're going to the

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<v Speaker 1>national championship tournament. They're they're really good, so congrats to them.

0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:28.920
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, so I didn't go because I had to

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<v Speaker 2>finish up going to some mac Jack McConaughey things and

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<v Speaker 2>represent us. And you went and had those final moments

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<v Speaker 2>with Josh. But we were kind of texting and talking

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<v Speaker 2>during the whole thing about how this was pretty emotional

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<v Speaker 2>for you.

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<v Speaker 1>It was, you know, we've talked a little bit about

0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:48.280
<v Speaker 1>that last time whatever. That last moment is walking off

0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:51.399
<v Speaker 1>a field, crossing the stage at graduation, the last play.

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<v Speaker 1>So Josh played in his last game, and I got

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<v Speaker 1>emotional because it kind of took me back to my

0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:00.960
<v Speaker 1>last game, you know, many many many years ago, playing

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<v Speaker 1>college soccer and just knowing what he was about to

0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:05.879
<v Speaker 1>go through. And it's interesting, and I watched him. He

0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:07.760
<v Speaker 1>played a hell of a game, played his heart out,

0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:10.680
<v Speaker 1>they all did, and then you know, he walked off

0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:12.760
<v Speaker 1>the field, and you could tell right away just kind

0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:15.480
<v Speaker 1>of hit him and the other players that the juniors

0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:17.960
<v Speaker 1>sophomor's freshman coming up and giving him a big hug.

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<v Speaker 1>He's been a leader, he's a captain of the team,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's the passing of the torch and it's the

0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:26.439
<v Speaker 1>turning of a page for him, and it hit him.

0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:29.040
<v Speaker 1>He got emotional tears in his eyes, and I was

0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:32.000
<v Speaker 1>so proud of him just watching the reaction of the

0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:34.640
<v Speaker 1>other guys, which says all I need to know about

0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:37.960
<v Speaker 1>him as a man, as a leader. Leaving that impact

0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:40.480
<v Speaker 1>on the program, it's things we all hope to do.

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<v Speaker 1>You leave it better than you found it, and he

0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:48.800
<v Speaker 1>definitely did. But kind of a bittersweet father son moment.

0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:51.640
<v Speaker 2>Why was it bittersweet? Just because it's over.

0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:54.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's over. I've really enjoyed watching him play. I

0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:56.359
<v Speaker 1>gat me it is something a journey he started when

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<v Speaker 1>he was nine years old. His coach Blair shout out

0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:01.160
<v Speaker 1>to coach, player out to me. He was the first

0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:05.000
<v Speaker 1>coach josh had when he was starting lacrosse. And Joshua

0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:06.879
<v Speaker 1>was not great. Hed just gone through a gross spurt.

0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:09.679
<v Speaker 1>He had the feet of a labrador retriever and you know,

0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:12.240
<v Speaker 1>he's fallen all over himself and he's using a big

0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:14.320
<v Speaker 1>stick and you know, because he's not tall enough yet,

0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:17.159
<v Speaker 1>and this coach really took him under his wing, and

0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:19.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, and he reached out to me, and this

0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:21.840
<v Speaker 1>meant a lot. You also realize this means a lot

0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:24.600
<v Speaker 1>because it's the turning of a page in the passage

0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:28.280
<v Speaker 1>of time for a lot of people. Our former assistant

0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:31.520
<v Speaker 1>and his former coach and you know, grandparents and all

0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:35.400
<v Speaker 1>of us kind of you feel these passages of time

0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:37.560
<v Speaker 1>as well as he does.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, there's definitely these milestone moments, right, and

0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:42.840
<v Speaker 2>we have them and different cultures different, but in America

0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:45.960
<v Speaker 2>it's like, you know, you're turning eighteen, you're going to college,

0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:48.520
<v Speaker 2>you're finishing college, you're getting your first job, you're getting

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<v Speaker 2>your first apartment. And Josh is in the second half

0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:53.680
<v Speaker 2>of those now, and so there's a lot of reflecting.

0:21:53.760 --> 0:22:00.040
<v Speaker 2>And what made me so happy, yeah, was seeing and

0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:03.160
<v Speaker 2>Chris put together, well, I'll be honest, I edited for Chris.

0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:08.760
<v Speaker 2>I put together a real on Instagram of these little

0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:13.400
<v Speaker 2>clips of Josh hugging his teammates and crying a little

0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:15.800
<v Speaker 2>bit like tearing up a little bit. And that made

0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:21.560
<v Speaker 2>me so happy because for many reasons. One it I

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<v Speaker 2>was literally seeing and I knew it, but I was

0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:27.440
<v Speaker 2>seeing it the friendships he's made, the connections he's made.

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<v Speaker 2>And I texted in this like, Josh, honey, you did

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<v Speaker 2>everything right. This is what you're supposed to get out

0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:34.800
<v Speaker 2>of something like a team at school. You're supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>get you know, the relationships, and these will be your

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<v Speaker 2>friends for life. In college you really make friends for life.

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<v Speaker 2>And Two, I just loved seeing, honestly, these twenty something

0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:50.280
<v Speaker 2>boys being emotional together. It was really nice to see.

0:22:50.320 --> 0:22:54.680
<v Speaker 2>And I really love that we have a son who

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<v Speaker 2>is comfortable in his emotions in that way, like hugging

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<v Speaker 2>his friends and tearing up and giving us speech and

0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:04.520
<v Speaker 2>recognizing the moments. It made me feel so at peace,

0:23:05.080 --> 0:23:07.960
<v Speaker 2>like seeing that side of him because John obviously our

0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:10.840
<v Speaker 2>daughter Taylor is a little more emotional than Josh. But

0:23:11.400 --> 0:23:14.160
<v Speaker 2>to see that side of him made me think, oh,

0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:16.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, he's really growing up and he's really in

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<v Speaker 2>touch with his emotions and he's not shying away from them.

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<v Speaker 2>That made me feel happy.

0:23:20.560 --> 0:23:24.440
<v Speaker 1>I was talking to somebody today who also was an athlete,

0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:28.720
<v Speaker 1>in college, and I said, you know this, and I

0:23:28.720 --> 0:23:31.040
<v Speaker 1>don't know you'll understand this, so I'm interested to hear

0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:36.119
<v Speaker 1>your take. This will mean more than graduation. This moment

0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:40.520
<v Speaker 1>will be more indelible and leave a bigger mark than

0:23:40.600 --> 0:23:43.640
<v Speaker 1>walking across the stage in two weeks at graduation. This

0:23:43.720 --> 0:23:46.920
<v Speaker 1>is the end of school for him. He will graduate

0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:48.600
<v Speaker 1>to walk across the stage and have that moment, and

0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:50.879
<v Speaker 1>we'll all be there and will and trust me, I

0:23:50.920 --> 0:23:53.280
<v Speaker 1>will cry again as I cried the other day. But

0:23:54.400 --> 0:23:57.840
<v Speaker 1>this two guys, and maybe to women who are athletes

0:23:57.880 --> 0:24:00.360
<v Speaker 1>as well, this will be the indelible mark that he'll

0:24:00.400 --> 0:24:02.840
<v Speaker 1>look back on. I thought I felt the same thing.

0:24:03.160 --> 0:24:05.840
<v Speaker 1>My grandparents were at my graduation at that meant a

0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:07.879
<v Speaker 1>lot to me. But I remember walking off the field

0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:10.320
<v Speaker 1>my senior year. I remember where I was, and I

0:24:10.320 --> 0:24:13.160
<v Speaker 1>remember when it hit me. I remember all that as

0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:15.840
<v Speaker 1>opposed to I kind of remember graduation.

0:24:17.280 --> 0:24:19.160
<v Speaker 2>I just was curious, Yeah, I see that, And it's

0:24:19.160 --> 0:24:21.720
<v Speaker 2>about the people you're surrounded by, right, I mean at graduation.

0:24:21.840 --> 0:24:23.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't know was it alphabetical. I don't remember who

0:24:23.640 --> 0:24:25.200
<v Speaker 2>I was sitting with a graduation.

0:24:24.880 --> 0:24:29.240
<v Speaker 1>And boy, your last I've thought about this. Zema oh man, I.

0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:30.600
<v Speaker 2>Get the biggest applause. It's over.

0:24:30.960 --> 0:24:33.639
<v Speaker 1>There was there was there ever, like a z y

0:24:33.720 --> 0:24:36.520
<v Speaker 1>last name, like.

0:24:37.320 --> 0:24:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Hard to beat, but you're I remember one thing I

0:24:40.440 --> 0:24:44.119
<v Speaker 2>remember about sitting graduation is I was so involved with

0:24:44.200 --> 0:24:47.119
<v Speaker 2>my journalism school. I was the president of organizations, and

0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:49.800
<v Speaker 2>I spoke at the opening of a new building, and

0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:52.120
<v Speaker 2>I was I knew professors like. I was very involved.

0:24:52.160 --> 0:24:54.880
<v Speaker 2>I liked to be busy. I still do. There were

0:24:55.000 --> 0:24:57.520
<v Speaker 2>kids who got up at graduation from the journalism school

0:24:57.560 --> 0:24:59.640
<v Speaker 2>in my class who I'd never seen before, and I'd

0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:03.560
<v Speaker 2>never heard their names before. And you know, so you

0:25:03.680 --> 0:25:07.560
<v Speaker 2>don't you know when you're leaving your lacrosse final lacrosse game,

0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:10.640
<v Speaker 2>especially as a senior, you know everybody on that team.

0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:12.600
<v Speaker 2>You're not a freshman who doesn't really know anyone yet,

0:25:12.640 --> 0:25:15.480
<v Speaker 2>and you know everyone, and you're surrounded by your friends

0:25:15.520 --> 0:25:18.639
<v Speaker 2>and you've spent years building these relationships and it's something

0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:22.680
<v Speaker 2>you loved doing. Like I think graduations just bigger, less intimate,

0:25:22.760 --> 0:25:26.679
<v Speaker 2>less emotional, and what exactly is it representing. Probably the

0:25:26.680 --> 0:25:28.760
<v Speaker 2>best moments of graduation are looking up and seeing your

0:25:28.760 --> 0:25:29.240
<v Speaker 2>family there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you're well, I guess at the end of

0:25:31.040 --> 0:25:33.120
<v Speaker 1>the day what you're saying, and it's true. It's about

0:25:33.119 --> 0:25:36.640
<v Speaker 1>the relationships. It's always about the relationships. And if you've

0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:39.159
<v Speaker 1>ever been a part of a team, you know, like

0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:43.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I still text with my college soccer team,

0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:45.120
<v Speaker 1>like we still talk to each other, we still keep

0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:47.200
<v Speaker 1>in touch and give each other a hard time because

0:25:47.200 --> 0:25:50.040
<v Speaker 1>nothing has changed. And he'll do that forever with his guys,

0:25:50.080 --> 0:25:53.120
<v Speaker 1>and so it is. I guess it's always about those relationships.

0:25:53.440 --> 0:25:55.600
<v Speaker 1>And that's what you're saying goodbye to because you're not

0:25:55.640 --> 0:25:57.480
<v Speaker 1>going to see those guys next year. They're going to

0:25:57.560 --> 0:25:59.600
<v Speaker 1>carry on. And that's the other thing. It's that that

0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:01.879
<v Speaker 1>old life in the song the world spins madly on,

0:26:02.480 --> 0:26:04.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, the freshmen and sophomore and juniors are picking

0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:06.760
<v Speaker 1>up their stuff and heading out to have a beer

0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:08.719
<v Speaker 1>because like, oh, next year, I'll see it, camp, I'll

0:26:08.760 --> 0:26:10.480
<v Speaker 1>see it. You know, we'll be back at it. You know,

0:26:10.600 --> 0:26:13.520
<v Speaker 1>better luck next time. And you realize this, this was

0:26:13.560 --> 0:26:14.160
<v Speaker 1>my next time.

0:26:14.280 --> 0:26:16.440
<v Speaker 2>That was it, And you don't get it until you're

0:26:16.440 --> 0:26:18.719
<v Speaker 2>in their shoes. Like I remember being a freshman at

0:26:18.720 --> 0:26:21.680
<v Speaker 2>my sorority chapter and hearing this an older girl.

0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:23.760
<v Speaker 1>Would speak it ah to totally totally.

0:26:23.400 --> 0:26:25.560
<v Speaker 2>Which was like a great tradition because they would try

0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:28.119
<v Speaker 2>to impart wisdom on us. The question was were we listening,

0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:31.679
<v Speaker 2>and she advised all of us. She said, I'm telling you,

0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:33.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't think this is going to sink in. But

0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:36.879
<v Speaker 2>college isn't about dating boys. It's about making your female friends.

0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:39.600
<v Speaker 2>And she said that, and I guess on some level

0:26:39.600 --> 0:26:40.919
<v Speaker 2>it sung in because I remembered it.

0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:42.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you have the best female friends in the

0:26:42.800 --> 0:26:43.960
<v Speaker 1>world from Maszoo.

0:26:43.680 --> 0:26:48.080
<v Speaker 2>Yes, they do. But then senior year I finally understood it.

0:26:48.119 --> 0:26:50.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh, she was right. It was about the friendships.

0:26:50.160 --> 0:26:52.240
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't about you know, you get obsessed and crush

0:26:52.280 --> 0:26:53.720
<v Speaker 2>over boys, but it was about the friendships.

0:26:53.760 --> 0:26:56.040
<v Speaker 1>Well, half the crap our parents say, half the crap

0:26:56.080 --> 0:26:59.639
<v Speaker 1>I've said as a parent, that should that should hit

0:26:59.680 --> 0:27:01.480
<v Speaker 1>the mar and it should make a difference. You know,

0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:04.320
<v Speaker 1>it won't until later, Like you know, there's things that

0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:06.679
<v Speaker 1>you'll just know that when they have kids, you'll get it,

0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:10.720
<v Speaker 1>et cetera. And you I don't know if that's like

0:27:10.720 --> 0:27:13.159
<v Speaker 1>a safety mechanism that God gives us of. We're just

0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:15.919
<v Speaker 1>not aware at certain moments in our life. Because if

0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:18.560
<v Speaker 1>you walked around like a raw nerve, always aware of

0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:22.280
<v Speaker 1>these things. You probably would be incapacitated and it would

0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:25.959
<v Speaker 1>maybe take away from those moments. But I think, you know,

0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:28.320
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, it hit him as he was well,

0:27:28.359 --> 0:27:30.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, shaking hands the last time and all that,

0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:35.040
<v Speaker 1>and you saw him walking off the field, and it

0:27:35.080 --> 0:27:37.080
<v Speaker 1>took me right back. And I mean, I'm fifty two

0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:39.320
<v Speaker 1>years old and I remember it. And now it's weird

0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:41.760
<v Speaker 1>for me to be watching it as a father, to

0:27:41.840 --> 0:27:44.920
<v Speaker 1>be watching my son have the same walk I did

0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:48.120
<v Speaker 1>and the same feelings I did, and it's I'm so

0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:50.720
<v Speaker 1>far removed from it yet now I'm watching him do it,

0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:53.320
<v Speaker 1>and it's a lot of pride, a lot of nostalgia,

0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:56.480
<v Speaker 1>and I'm just you know, I'm so damn proud of him.

0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:59.760
<v Speaker 1>Same thing with Taylor. Now she's going to get annoyed

0:27:59.800 --> 0:28:01.439
<v Speaker 1>because I am going to glom onto her for the

0:28:01.480 --> 0:28:04.840
<v Speaker 1>next two years, and so cup to four years, two

0:28:04.840 --> 0:28:05.479
<v Speaker 1>four years.

0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:08.920
<v Speaker 2>It makes me so happy too that they had these

0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:12.639
<v Speaker 2>years of college together. It's so special and kind of

0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:14.680
<v Speaker 2>rare that a brother and sister go to college together.

0:28:14.760 --> 0:28:17.639
<v Speaker 2>I love seeing them hang out together. You certainly feel

0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:19.520
<v Speaker 2>like you. I mean, I look at them, the way

0:28:19.560 --> 0:28:22.280
<v Speaker 2>they hang out and and the way Josh is with

0:28:22.320 --> 0:28:24.639
<v Speaker 2>his friends, and I just think, you know, you just

0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:26.560
<v Speaker 2>did such a good job with parenting, babe. I mean,

0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:28.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm so grateful to have these kids in my life,

0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:32.880
<v Speaker 2>and you two just have done I mean, you made

0:28:32.880 --> 0:28:36.119
<v Speaker 2>great kids, and the way they treat other people is

0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:40.040
<v Speaker 2>what shows you that. By the way, what I was

0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:43.720
<v Speaker 2>trying to get you to know earlier was that the

0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:47.120
<v Speaker 2>last play the term would be like closing night or

0:28:47.160 --> 0:28:49.760
<v Speaker 2>like the finale. Yeah, okay, one thing I want to

0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:53.240
<v Speaker 2>ask you, though, We'll get two things. One was I

0:28:53.280 --> 0:28:55.520
<v Speaker 2>feel like time was hitting you a little bit when

0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:59.080
<v Speaker 2>you saw when you're comparing like Josh's last game to

0:28:59.240 --> 0:29:02.120
<v Speaker 2>remembering your last for sure, were what was going through

0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:04.440
<v Speaker 2>your head? Just and I don't mean time like of

0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:05.280
<v Speaker 2>Josh being older.

0:29:05.320 --> 0:29:06.680
<v Speaker 1>I know that, but like, no, I talked to my

0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:10.080
<v Speaker 1>dad last night about this, just like you know, He's like,

0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:14.160
<v Speaker 1>life goes by so remarkably fast, and he's like, I remember,

0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:16.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, this is my dad talking, and he said

0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:20.360
<v Speaker 1>his dad, my grandfather said to him, you know, it

0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:23.960
<v Speaker 1>goes by in the blink of an eye. And you

0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:27.720
<v Speaker 1>hear that as a kid, but you know, the days

0:29:27.720 --> 0:29:29.880
<v Speaker 1>go by slow, the years go by fast, the old saying,

0:29:30.280 --> 0:29:32.520
<v Speaker 1>but as you get older, it really does continue to

0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:34.200
<v Speaker 1>speed up. And I told my dad, I said, you know,

0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:37.840
<v Speaker 1>I think it's also only when you're blessed and life

0:29:38.040 --> 0:29:41.400
<v Speaker 1>is great, and because when when we are in grief

0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:43.640
<v Speaker 1>or we are in whatever, those days go by slow.

0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Those moments go by slow. When things are going so

0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:51.240
<v Speaker 1>swimmingly well and your your kids are thriving, and your

0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:54.680
<v Speaker 1>wife is thriving, and things are beautiful and you're we're

0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:57.760
<v Speaker 1>in a good, you know, season of life. You know

0:29:57.880 --> 0:29:59.640
<v Speaker 1>it'll ebb and flow and there will be the ups

0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:04.560
<v Speaker 1>and down. But it definitely caught me off guard of yeah,

0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:06.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm you know, I am at this point in my

0:30:06.840 --> 0:30:09.959
<v Speaker 1>life and I'm now watching my son wrap things up

0:30:09.960 --> 0:30:11.520
<v Speaker 1>and head off into the real world. So yeah, I know,

0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:15.240
<v Speaker 1>it definitely makes you realize life goes by fast.

0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:18.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm a big believer too in like continuing to do

0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:22.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I think sometimes there can it's important

0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:25.000
<v Speaker 2>to take those moments in. But then also like I

0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:28.360
<v Speaker 2>don't like the uh oh it's over and done by that.

0:30:28.440 --> 0:30:30.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like Josh is already talking about Okay, you

0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:34.440
<v Speaker 2>might plan all across team. Yeah, you know, like he's

0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:36.280
<v Speaker 2>looking at one here in Austin. I think for when

0:30:36.280 --> 0:30:39.080
<v Speaker 2>he's in his early twenties. And I loved theater in school,

0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:40.880
<v Speaker 2>but I went on to take improv classes and do

0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:43.280
<v Speaker 2>improv teams in my twenties. And I know you did

0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:46.120
<v Speaker 2>some soccer teams. Does it feel really different or does

0:30:46.160 --> 0:30:47.080
<v Speaker 2>it scratch that itch?

0:30:47.120 --> 0:30:50.760
<v Speaker 1>And again I think, I think, what again? The Good

0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Lord gives us the ability, especially at that age, what's next?

0:30:55.800 --> 0:30:58.640
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I never thought high school was the

0:30:58.680 --> 0:31:01.160
<v Speaker 1>greatest moment in life. I never looked at college is

0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:04.560
<v Speaker 1>the greatest moment in life. I always thought what was next?

0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:07.400
<v Speaker 1>And so I think at that age, Josh is already

0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:09.840
<v Speaker 1>excited about his job. He's already excited about getting his

0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:13.080
<v Speaker 1>first apartment. That was me. I was like, as soon

0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:15.800
<v Speaker 1>as I was done, Yeah, I was sad about walking

0:31:15.800 --> 0:31:17.840
<v Speaker 1>off the field, missing my boys, but I was going

0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:20.880
<v Speaker 1>to be a sportscaster. I was about to get my

0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:23.800
<v Speaker 1>first job, and I was so fired up to launch

0:31:23.840 --> 0:31:26.840
<v Speaker 1>my career that that was my goal. I've always been

0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:29.760
<v Speaker 1>like that in life about what's next. Looking and I

0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:31.840
<v Speaker 1>don't mean in an ungrateful way. I don't mean I

0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:34.320
<v Speaker 1>don't appreciate the moment. I really do. I think I'm

0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:38.440
<v Speaker 1>very good about that. But I always whether you're setting goals,

0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:42.920
<v Speaker 1>setting the bar higher, pushing yourself, I've always thought what's

0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:45.760
<v Speaker 1>next in life, and so in that moment in college,

0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:48.000
<v Speaker 1>I was like, great, I'm going on to be a sportscaster.

0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:49.920
<v Speaker 1>At the time, I didn't know it would be in

0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:51.360
<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma City. I thought I was gonna have to go

0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:54.680
<v Speaker 1>to a much smaller circuit and market to start. I

0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:57.160
<v Speaker 1>got very lucky to start in Oklahoma City with a

0:31:57.160 --> 0:32:02.120
<v Speaker 1>great mentor, Bill Jiggans. But I think that's where Josh

0:32:02.240 --> 0:32:05.080
<v Speaker 1>is like, he'll be sad that afternoon, he moves on,

0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:07.960
<v Speaker 1>He's onto the next And yeah, I played a little

0:32:08.000 --> 0:32:10.920
<v Speaker 1>semi pro soccer. I did you know sportscasting. I was

0:32:10.960 --> 0:32:13.800
<v Speaker 1>so fired up about everything going on in life. It's

0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:17.520
<v Speaker 1>really later when those the sadness kind of turns to memories,

0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:22.920
<v Speaker 1>and those memories and I kind of think grief might

0:32:22.960 --> 0:32:24.480
<v Speaker 1>be like this, and you could probably fill me in.

0:32:24.560 --> 0:32:29.280
<v Speaker 1>It's like that gutting and it's different on different level

0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:34.080
<v Speaker 1>of grief, but like that open wound slowly turns to

0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:37.560
<v Speaker 1>great memories there's still sadness. You still can lament the

0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:40.360
<v Speaker 1>fact that it's gone. But like now I have memories

0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:41.960
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, I don't know if it was like that.

0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Does that make sense?

0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:46.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I don't. Does Josh finishing lacrosse feel

0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:48.480
<v Speaker 2>like an open wound at first?

0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:50.680
<v Speaker 1>It does? Really, Yeah, I mean it's just it's raw.

0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:53.400
<v Speaker 1>It's a raw nerve. You're sad and you feel.

0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:55.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I was. I've never Here's the thing.

0:32:55.640 --> 0:32:58.720
<v Speaker 2>I've realized this as you're talking. I have never like

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<v Speaker 2>been that sad when things were ending. Yeah, Like I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember my last improv comedy show with my

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<v Speaker 2>comedy group that I loved in college. I don't remember it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. I think I was always like even more

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<v Speaker 2>and on to the next person, which I'm not just

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<v Speaker 2>saying is a good thing. I just was very well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it is a good thing and in people, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a great attribute.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I didn't really, I mean, I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't really get sad about I called myself an emotional shudder.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, don't be sad, it's over. Be glad it happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's keep going, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>And I respect this about you and I know this

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<v Speaker 1>about you, which is another reason I'm saying, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think high functioning successful people are always looking at what's next,

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<v Speaker 1>even when things are great, but also when things are bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you don't get too high with the highs, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't get too low with the lows. You're just like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I can do better, I can push myself. I can

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<v Speaker 1>continue to raise the bar in my life no matter

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<v Speaker 1>what it is. That's I think it's a it's an

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<v Speaker 1>admirable quality to have, and I think I see it

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<v Speaker 1>in successful people.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's I've had open wounds when things ended

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<v Speaker 2>traumatic or badly, but kind of like we were talking

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<v Speaker 2>about with grief. To me, I didn't have that reaction

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<v Speaker 2>with something like lacrosse ending. It's like, well, we knew

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<v Speaker 2>this was coming, and this is the natural order of things,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is okay. It's certainly awesome to reflect on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like and like I said, I'm so glad I saw

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<v Speaker 2>Josh taking the moment in Yeah, and Babe, if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to still play soccer, you can go join it somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>I've escaped with my knees intact. But you know what

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<v Speaker 1>Josh doesn't know and what you didn't know. What I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know when we were leaving those organizations is the

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<v Speaker 1>lessons you've learned that are going to pay dividends so

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<v Speaker 1>much and the rest of your life. So proud of him, TC,

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<v Speaker 1>Lacrosse family, Thank you guys. It was a great run

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<v Speaker 1>for four years. TC Who's been a great run and

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<v Speaker 1>a great home for him for four years. Graduations coming

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<v Speaker 1>up next, babe. It was good to catch up. I'm glad.

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<v Speaker 1>We just look this is a little different podcast today.

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<v Speaker 1>We just wanted to catch up and we love talking

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<v Speaker 1>to you guys, and we will do it again next

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<v Speaker 1>time because we have a lot more to talk about.

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