1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: Chris Harrison and Lauren z Ema coming to you from 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: the home office in Austin, Texas. It has been a 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: busy couple of weeks and we're excited to sit down 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: and chat with each other, but to chat with you 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: as well. Elz. We just got done with the Mac 7 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: Jack McConaughey, we had our own Experience Camps, and then 8 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: my own experience saying goodbye to Joshua and Lacrosse. So 9 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: it's been busy. 10 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 2: I just realized that we've done several episodes of the podcast, 11 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 2: but not like catch up What's Up moments? So yes. 12 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: So many charity things lately, which has been really heartwarming 13 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 2: and wonderful. The biggest one we held an event I 14 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 2: called Cocktails for Camp for Experience Camps here at our 15 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 2: house if you haven't heard us talk about it before. 16 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 2: Experience Camps is the nonprofit that I volunteer for which 17 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 2: puts on therapeutic and super fun summer camps for grieving 18 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 2: kids for kids who have lost a parent, a primary caregiver, 19 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 2: or a sibling. So I got involved because my dad 20 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 2: died when I was in college and These camps are incredible. 21 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 2: They do so much for the kids. They give them 22 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:18,199 Speaker 2: an escape from their grief, they give them counseling about 23 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 2: their grief, and they give them other kids to relate to, 24 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 2: kids who understand what they're going through. Grief is hard 25 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: enough for adults, it's certainly tough for kids. And the 26 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 2: reason we held this event, and what I'm so happy 27 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 2: to announce on the podcast is that Experience Camps has 28 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 2: committed to opening their first camp location here in Texas, 29 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 2: which I wish we had an applause sound effect there. 30 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: It's the crowd goes wild. 31 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: Yes, it's such wonderful news. I mean, I've been It's 32 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 2: such a privilege for me to be involved in this organization. 33 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: If you want to be a counselor, you can apply 34 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: online to volunteer. If you have kids or no kids 35 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: who would need to go to these one of camp, 36 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: one of these camps, you can send them. But the 37 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 2: problem is you can apply, but the problem is there 38 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 2: are waitless at every location currently, and when you consider 39 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 2: the population of Texas, a camp is so deeply needed 40 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 2: here right now. Any grieving kids in Texas who want 41 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 2: to go to camp have to go out of state, 42 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 2: and Texas is such a big state that grief resources 43 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 2: are really spread out and scarce for lots of the 44 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 2: kids here in Texas. So I'm so excited. 45 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: One of the things I learned at the camp from 46 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: the folks that came and spoke here at the house, 47 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: for like the kids in Uvaldi after the school shooting, 48 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: we're driving three and four hours to get help there 49 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: is Texas is greatly underserved in that area. So you 50 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: can follow out experience camps. It is such a phenomenal experience. 51 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: It's such a phenomenal organization, and I'm excited to get 52 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: this going in Texas. One of the things I love 53 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: is they really want to launch this thing where it 54 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: has the runway to keep going. And then, like you said, 55 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: once you're invited, always invited back. So we have to 56 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: open for the kids. Yeah, we have to open new 57 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: doors for new kids so everybody can get involved. 58 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 2: And so we got to raise money for that. 59 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get busy. 60 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 2: That was we had a fundraising and awareness raising event 61 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 2: at our house. We had some wonderful musicians there. What 62 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: I tried to do was create We do these campfires 63 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 2: at camp three times a week in the week long 64 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 2: session that the kids are there, and at these campfires, 65 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 2: they take the traditional campfire idea but give it this 66 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 2: really emotional framework. And so usually a counselor or camp 67 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: employee will or even camp kid will like perform a song. 68 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 2: A few kids from the camp will be asked to 69 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: speak about their loss and their experience with loss. And 70 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: then at the final campfire of the week, every single 71 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 2: kid in camp gets the opportunity to get up if 72 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 2: they want, say the name of the person they lost, 73 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 2: say something about that person if they want to. So 74 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: it's really really meaningful. And we did a little mini 75 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 2: campfire at our event where we had some musicians perform, 76 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: Madison Wolf and Chrissy Finniac. Thank you to both of them. 77 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: They both performed songs about loss which were incredible. I 78 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 2: wish I could share them here on the podcast, but 79 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 2: we don't have the rights. But they're amazing, So give 80 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: them a follow. 81 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: And we're coming to New York soon. We're going to 82 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 1: be hosting the national gala for this here in a 83 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: couple of weeks. 84 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 2: Yes, on May ninth, we are hosting the experience Kim 85 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 2: Scallet in New York. So I say all this to say, 86 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 2: if this is a cause that speaks to you, you 87 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: can donate, you can get involved. We need to raise 88 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 2: money for this camp location here in Texas, and that 89 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 2: is going to be a massive commitment for me and 90 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 2: for Chris over the next couple of years. How did 91 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 2: you feel? I haven't asked you this about the event actually, 92 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 2: because we did this kind of mini campfire and we 93 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 2: had these musicians perform and I got up and spoken. 94 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 2: We also had Andrea Palmer, a wonderful doctor from Fort Worth, 95 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,679 Speaker 2: and her daughter Laurel I come and speak. And Laurel 96 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: I was a camper. They're from Fort Worth, Texas. But 97 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 2: because there's no camp in Texas, Laurel I had to 98 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 2: go to the camp in Atlanta, Georgia, and they spoke 99 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,679 Speaker 2: about their loss of Andrea's husband, laurrealized dad Blake Palmer. 100 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 2: How did you feel listening like to me talk about 101 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 2: my dad, to them talk. What was going through your mind? 102 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: Or were you just worried about taking video because I 103 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 2: had demanded I'd been like, they sure to film this, babeook. 104 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 1: I was the social media warrior that I know it was. 105 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: You know, when you hear everyone's experience with grief, and 106 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: it's something that, like you said, we're all touched by 107 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: it in very different ways. You know, some is the 108 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 1: more I guess you would call the traditional way. Like 109 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: my grandparents they lived a great, fruitful life and in 110 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: their old age they died. And the natural order, I 111 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: guess you would say, of things, these are rip the 112 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: band aid off grief moments that are out of order. 113 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: And when you hear how it affects, especially kids. And 114 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: I've heard your perspective and learning more and more every day. 115 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: But when you hear when you see this young woman 116 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: and you realize what that death did to her and 117 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: how it just tore her life apart, and how she's 118 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: pieced it back together with the help of all these 119 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: camps and these experiences, it is heart wrenching moving, but 120 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: it's oddly motivational. Just it gives you hope because these 121 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: people are so strong. Yeah, you hear this young girl 122 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: who has the strength that you would hope you would 123 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: have in a serious situation as an adult, with all 124 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: the experiences I have in my life of five decades 125 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: of being on this earth, and this young girl has 126 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 1: it now, unfortunately, and she had to get it because 127 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's roll over and let your life 128 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: pass you by or survive. And she's thriving and it's 129 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: in large part due to these camps and so and 130 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: you hear more and more of these stories. It is. 131 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: I think it's okay to call it motivational, like there's 132 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: beauty in it. 133 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, babe, I love that. I mean, that's something I 134 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 2: always say. I think it makes people a little uncomfortable 135 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 2: when you say there are good things out of grief, 136 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 2: But like, I think grief made me a much stronger 137 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 2: person at a young age. It gave me perspective on 138 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 2: what mattered in life at a really young age, and 139 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 2: that's really valuable. I'm grateful for that. But you certainly 140 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 2: have to like give people the tools to succeed through 141 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 2: that hardship, like you just said, and that's something or 142 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: you hopeful you can give them these tools experience camps 143 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 2: give gives these kids these tools. Lorelei and herst speech said, 144 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 2: which I've heard lots of kids say. She's like, well, 145 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 2: seeing that the counselors were okay, that they'd been through loss, 146 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 2: that they were okay, helped me know I would be okay. 147 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 2: Because kids are sitting here going my whole world just 148 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 2: blew up? What is my future going to be? And 149 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 2: it's also it's really hitting me what you just said 150 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 2: about like the normal way of losing people are the 151 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: right way. That always strikes me because that's like the 152 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 2: only thing we learn about, right And maybe it's not 153 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 2: scare kids, but when you're young and no one talks 154 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 2: about like what if someone you love dies really suddenly, 155 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 2: like or you don't get educated on how to handle it. 156 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 2: We think, oh, you grow old and you die. And 157 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 2: as I've gotten older, I feel like, actually what I 158 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 2: learn is i'd be interested in the statistics. But more 159 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 2: often than not, most people don't have the beautiful death 160 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 2: that your grandparents have, right, most people don't live into 161 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 2: their I mean, your grandmother was ninety nine and your grandfather. 162 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: Was what in his late eighties. 163 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 2: Most people, and I'm so glad that they lived that 164 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 2: life because they were so influential in your family. But 165 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 2: most people don't have this like beautiful live to ninety nine, 166 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 2: die in your sleep moment that your grandmother had, and 167 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 2: she went through a lot of other hardships. But we 168 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 2: don't prepare people for sudden death, for illness, for car 169 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 2: accidents for all that, and yet it's very normal. And 170 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 2: so that's why not only just being involved in Experience 171 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 2: Camps matter to me, but talking about grief and helping 172 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 2: people know that it's normal and their feelings are normal 173 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 2: even though they're hard, and that, like you just said, 174 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 2: you got to use those feelings and push through. 175 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: Hot on the heels of the Experienced Camps events, which 176 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: was awesome here at the house. There's this annual event 177 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,719 Speaker 1: here in Austin, the Mac Jack and McConaughey, and this 178 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: is a huge, huge event here in Austin. 179 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 2: They were in their twelfth year, twelve years. I was 180 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 2: learning from them. I was like watching and getting inspired 181 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 2: because we had just done this very first ex Camps 182 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 2: event here in Austin, and they're in year twelve and 183 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 2: they're now on a it's like a three day charity bend. 184 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: This is a bender. 185 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 2: I mean there are two golf tournaments, a fashion show, 186 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 2: two concerts, and multiple and this is so much. 187 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: By the way, Mack and Jack you probably know who 188 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 1: McConaughey is. Mac Brown, who is a former kind of 189 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: legendary coach here at the University of Texas, won the 190 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: national title back in the day with them. Now he's 191 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: the head coach at North Carolina. And then of course 192 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: Jack Ingram, who's a country music star, had a number 193 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: one hit back in what five and has had a 194 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: bunch of top forty hits, eleven albums he's released in 195 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: Just a Sweetheart of a Guy. So Mac Brown, Jack 196 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: and then Matthew McConaughey, who you may have heard of, 197 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 1: and they aged three, have a separate entity and benefit 198 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: charity group that have to do with kids, and they 199 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: raise millions and millions of dollars. But as Lauren said, 200 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: this is a three day event has grown and grown 201 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: and grown. The first night there's a golf tournament and 202 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: then Luke Colmbs played a couple of years ago, Kenny 203 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: Chesney last year, with Garth Brooks this year Luke Colmbs. 204 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 2: I'm impressed because Matthew and his wife Camilla, who is 205 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 2: such a wonderful, lovely woman, they are on the ground 206 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 2: doing all of it. You know that. I think we're 207 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 2: similar to them, and we're like when you're involved in 208 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 2: some pits, show up and do it. They host things, 209 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 2: they show up at things, They really put their time 210 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 2: and energy to it, and I think they raised a 211 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 2: record amount this year, like, yeah, upwards of ten well over, I. 212 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 1: Want to sell a million millions like that. And by 213 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: the way, all three of them, Mac Brown, Jack Ingram 214 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: and McConaughey, they divide and conquer, so they are at 215 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: every event. So while you know, McConaughey and his wife 216 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: were at the fashion event, the other two guys are 217 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: at the golf event. They are glad handing non stop. 218 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:24,599 Speaker 1: I like that They're not just to face in the 219 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 1: name of this. They actually get involved, which is cool. 220 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: Can we talk about the auction just for a second, 221 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: because you and I have been to hundreds of auctions, 222 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: charity auction, charity auctions. I've been to some crazy ones 223 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: where you're like, oh wow, that was that was nuts. 224 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: I've never been to an auction where an item went 225 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: for four point six million dollars. That happened at this auction. 226 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 2: You know, you and I were out of the running 227 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 2: at that point. 228 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I gave up at three point nine. 229 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we've been successful, we worked hard, but 230 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 2: four point six MILLI for one thing, I thought, yeah, 231 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 2: I'm not in this. 232 00:11:58,120 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 1: This is one of those auctions. As soon as they 233 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: did the opening bid. 234 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 2: We were out, yes, and again, I am grateful for 235 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 2: our lives and we are very we're blessed, but we're 236 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 2: not dropping a couple of million on one item. There 237 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 2: were only a few people in the room who could 238 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 2: do that. But it made me realize. I read a 239 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 2: statistic the other day that Austin has now cracked the 240 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 2: top ten cities in the country with in terms of 241 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 2: number of millionaires. We just made it for the first 242 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 2: time at number ten, and I thought, Okay, a couple 243 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: of those people in the. 244 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: Room tonight, apparently they were throwing it around. You know 245 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 1: what's funny is because I've never seen it, And I thought, okay, 246 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: is this interesting to me? And that I look around 247 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: and at this point there were thousands of people in 248 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: the house getting ready for the Luke Combs concert, and 249 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: everybody had their phones out, like everybody was like, this 250 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: is not happening. This is crazy, crazy money. But the 251 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: good news is it all went to a great cause, 252 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: great causes, and it was a hell of an event. 253 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: And Luke Holmbs, by the way, first time I had 254 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: seen him live, crushed it. My god, he has a 255 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: golden voice. 256 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 2: Can I back up to the auction from it? And 257 00:12:57,800 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 2: ask you a couple, you've actually been to way more 258 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 2: of these than me. I just kind of started going 259 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 2: to them when you and I started. Yes, and we've 260 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:08,719 Speaker 2: hosted them together, and we definitely know. You know, when 261 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 2: you're hosting them, it's you're walking that line between like 262 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 2: you don't want to lecture people and be like take 263 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 2: out your walls. This is the right thing to do. 264 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 2: You have to make it a show for them. You 265 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 2: have to make it entertaining and fun. And I mean 266 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 2: I have hoared Chris Harrison out before. I we were 267 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 2: hosting an event for the men for the aim At 268 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 2: Youth Mental Health Organization in California, and I was like, Okay, everybody, 269 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 2: we're just going to raise some money at the end 270 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 2: here five hundred bucks and Chris Harrison'll come kiss you 271 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 2: on the cheek or something. Or maybe it was a thousand, 272 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 2: I don't know, but we got a lot. And I 273 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 2: was definitely horing you out for it. Was Taye, it's 274 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 2: for the youth, it's for the kids. But when you're 275 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 2: at events like that, don't you also think it's an 276 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 2: interesting read on people, Like it's for a great cause 277 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 2: and it's wonderful. Yeah, And like we said, I'm not 278 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 2: in that. I'm not playing at that level of four 279 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 2: point six million dollars for an auction item. But it's 280 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 2: interesting when you see, Like I think one thing I've 281 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 2: learned is, you know, there's some people who give when 282 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 2: they're seen giving, and then there's some people who like 283 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 2: just really do the right thing behind the scenes. The 284 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 2: best type of person is the one who will do both. 285 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 2: What do you feel like you've learned about the human. 286 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: Site of the human element? 287 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, after doing so many of these events over the years. 288 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: I think it's peer pressure, is what you're talking about. 289 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 2: Well, I'm saying there are people who I know who, 290 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 2: we know who, and I don't love when people talk 291 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 2: about how much money they have. But there's some people 292 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 2: who talk about how much money they have, and then 293 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 2: you see them at events like this and you're like, well, 294 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 2: your paddle wasn't really going in the air, Like what's 295 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 2: going on? And you can't help but wonder and maybe 296 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 2: they give in private, but I don't know, what do 297 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 2: you think. 298 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a peer There is definitely a peer pressure element, 299 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: like you know, the raise the path when when you're 300 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: in that room and there's that fervor and you get 301 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: excited at the auction. I think there is the element 302 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: of people love to be seen being benevolent, getting recognition 303 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: for that very You know, there are those that will 304 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: just like I think someone just did this actually at 305 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: iz Zou they donated anonymously a truckload of money, just 306 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: anonymously to one of the programs there. I think it 307 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: was sports, but still it was just interesting. It was 308 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: completely anonymous. But yeah, I think there is there are 309 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: two types of people that in. 310 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 2: Giving well, and there are two you can look at 311 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 2: it two different ways. Like one, obviously it's good the 312 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 2: money is going towards the organization and it sets an example. 313 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: I mean, that's why I think it's important to volunteer publicly, 314 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 2: to donate publicly, to and take it however you want. 315 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 2: Some people, you know, there might be the element of 316 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 2: I don't know, I think we can all judge it. 317 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 2: Sometimes you're like, oh, that person really likes to be 318 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 2: seen doing what they're doing, but you also want to 319 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 2: set that example. But it's just interesting. It's an interesting 320 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 2: read on these things. 321 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, human behavior is interesting, the crowd mentality, and I think. 322 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 2: In another life I would have liked to be a therapist. 323 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: I think you are in this life are Before we 324 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: move on from that, I just got to give a 325 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: shout out to Mac Brown, the head coach, and his wife. 326 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: I met them years ago through this Textural cult Texas 327 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: Cultural Trust, uh this big Arts award. This is years ago. 328 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: They held a luncheon that Laura Bush spoke at and 329 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: I met them and they were just lovely and they 330 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: were fans of the show and I hadn't seen him 331 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: in years, and he came up to me and he's 332 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: just been such a big supporter of of me and 333 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: and now of you, and they just a dear person 334 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: and we had several great conversations where he just put 335 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: his hand on my shoulder and he was just I think, 336 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: once a head coach, always a head coach. And he 337 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: just gave me this this long talk of love and 338 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: support and everything that you and I have been through 339 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: and how much he supported us, and I just what 340 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: a dear man. 341 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 2: And his wife, Sally, was so lovely to us as well. 342 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 2: They are sweet people. 343 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, So just just want to send a love out 344 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: to North Carolina for for those of you know, those 345 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: tar Heel fans, because he's the head coach at UNC. 346 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: You know what you got. You got a legend over there. 347 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: They don't get any better than Mac Brown. 348 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, he just does it right. He's just a good person, 349 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,959 Speaker 2: you can tell. So what did he any takeaways from 350 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 2: his coaching session with you. 351 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: Well, what's funny is you know when when everybody was 352 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,479 Speaker 1: getting unruly at the auction and he wanted to get attention. 353 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: He's used to when he walks in a room, he's 354 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: the head fricking coach. You shut up, and when he speaks, 355 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: you listen. That's your job. And it's funny when you're 356 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: in a totally different arena he was speaking, or people 357 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: were getting a little roud and rowdy, and he would 358 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: stop and like admonish everybody, And I'm like, once a coach, 359 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: always a coach. It was funny for him to be like, hey. 360 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 2: You've said that about coaches before, and I see it. 361 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,479 Speaker 2: I think coaches are like always coaches in and out 362 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:45,479 Speaker 2: of their daily lives. 363 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: Great job, guys, it was a heck of a year. 364 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: Now I need to recover for the next twelve months. 365 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: We can do it again. I think that was our 366 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: version of version of stage coach. That's the Austin which 367 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: is going on now. 368 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, so stage the stage coach used to be a 369 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 2: real bachelor. Remember there were a couple of seasons there 370 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:04,959 Speaker 2: where there was like a real bachelor drama happening at 371 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 2: stage coach. Yeah, I'm sure it still it was a 372 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 2: real connecting moment. 373 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not. 374 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 2: A music festival person. 375 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: Oh man, I went once and it is I'm not. 376 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 2: Going to look dusty. 377 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: It's a nightmare. It literally it's a nightmare. It's dusty, 378 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: it's windy, it's hot. It is just so many people 379 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: and it's just getting in and out. It's a nightmare. 380 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know why we do this. It 381 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: was pretty miserable. 382 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 2: It's one of those things where I you know, I mean, 383 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 2: but I'm not a music festival person, but I do 384 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 2: think you know, I'm not saying anything groundbreaking here, but 385 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 2: it's the social media danger sometimes of things looking great 386 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 2: on social media and did you actually enjoy it in 387 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 2: real life. Let's finish up what we've been up to 388 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 2: with what was. It'll be the perfect final moment to 389 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 2: discuss because it was a final moment for you and 390 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 2: for Josh, your wonderful son. He played his very last 391 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 2: lacrosse game. Ever, the TCU men's lacrosse team, go Frogs, 392 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 2: made it to the playoffs. 393 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 1: Made to the Semis, lost lost to the University of Texas, 394 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: who's awesome. By the way, Congrats to the Horns who 395 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: went on to win the conference. They're going to the 396 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: national championship tournament. They're they're really good, so congrats to them. 397 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 2: But yeah, so I didn't go because I had to 398 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 2: finish up going to some mac Jack McConaughey things and 399 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 2: represent us. And you went and had those final moments 400 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 2: with Josh. But we were kind of texting and talking 401 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 2: during the whole thing about how this was pretty emotional 402 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 2: for you. 403 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: It was, you know, we've talked a little bit about 404 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: that last time whatever. That last moment is walking off 405 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: a field, crossing the stage at graduation, the last play. 406 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: So Josh played in his last game, and I got 407 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: emotional because it kind of took me back to my 408 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: last game, you know, many many many years ago, playing 409 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: college soccer and just knowing what he was about to 410 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: go through. And it's interesting, and I watched him. He 411 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: played a hell of a game, played his heart out, 412 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: they all did, and then you know, he walked off 413 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: the field, and you could tell right away just kind 414 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: of hit him and the other players that the juniors 415 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: sophomor's freshman coming up and giving him a big hug. 416 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: He's been a leader, he's a captain of the team, 417 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: and it's the passing of the torch and it's the 418 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 1: turning of a page for him, and it hit him. 419 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: He got emotional tears in his eyes, and I was 420 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: so proud of him just watching the reaction of the 421 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 1: other guys, which says all I need to know about 422 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: him as a man, as a leader. Leaving that impact 423 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: on the program, it's things we all hope to do. 424 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: You leave it better than you found it, and he 425 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: definitely did. But kind of a bittersweet father son moment. 426 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 2: Why was it bittersweet? Just because it's over. 427 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's over. I've really enjoyed watching him play. I 428 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: gat me it is something a journey he started when 429 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,239 Speaker 1: he was nine years old. His coach Blair shout out 430 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 1: to coach, player out to me. He was the first 431 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: coach josh had when he was starting lacrosse. And Joshua 432 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: was not great. Hed just gone through a gross spurt. 433 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 1: He had the feet of a labrador retriever and you know, 434 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: he's fallen all over himself and he's using a big 435 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: stick and you know, because he's not tall enough yet, 436 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 1: and this coach really took him under his wing, and 437 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: you know, and he reached out to me, and this 438 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: meant a lot. You also realize this means a lot 439 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: because it's the turning of a page in the passage 440 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: of time for a lot of people. Our former assistant 441 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: and his former coach and you know, grandparents and all 442 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 1: of us kind of you feel these passages of time 443 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: as well as he does. 444 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's definitely these milestone moments, right, and 445 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 2: we have them and different cultures different, but in America 446 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 2: it's like, you know, you're turning eighteen, you're going to college, 447 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 2: you're finishing college, you're getting your first job, you're getting 448 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 2: your first apartment. And Josh is in the second half 449 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 2: of those now, and so there's a lot of reflecting. 450 00:21:53,760 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 2: And what made me so happy, yeah, was seeing and 451 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 2: Chris put together, well, I'll be honest, I edited for Chris. 452 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 2: I put together a real on Instagram of these little 453 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 2: clips of Josh hugging his teammates and crying a little 454 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 2: bit like tearing up a little bit. And that made 455 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 2: me so happy because for many reasons. One it I 456 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 2: was literally seeing and I knew it, but I was 457 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 2: seeing it the friendships he's made, the connections he's made. 458 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 2: And I texted in this like, Josh, honey, you did 459 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 2: everything right. This is what you're supposed to get out 460 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 2: of something like a team at school. You're supposed to 461 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 2: get you know, the relationships, and these will be your 462 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 2: friends for life. In college you really make friends for life. 463 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 2: And Two, I just loved seeing, honestly, these twenty something 464 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 2: boys being emotional together. It was really nice to see. 465 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 2: And I really love that we have a son who 466 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 2: is comfortable in his emotions in that way, like hugging 467 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 2: his friends and tearing up and giving us speech and 468 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 2: recognizing the moments. It made me feel so at peace, 469 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 2: like seeing that side of him because John obviously our 470 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 2: daughter Taylor is a little more emotional than Josh. But 471 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 2: to see that side of him made me think, oh, 472 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,239 Speaker 2: you know, he's really growing up and he's really in 473 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 2: touch with his emotions and he's not shying away from them. 474 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 2: That made me feel happy. 475 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: I was talking to somebody today who also was an athlete, 476 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: in college, and I said, you know this, and I 477 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: don't know you'll understand this, so I'm interested to hear 478 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: your take. This will mean more than graduation. This moment 479 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: will be more indelible and leave a bigger mark than 480 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 1: walking across the stage in two weeks at graduation. This 481 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: is the end of school for him. He will graduate 482 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: to walk across the stage and have that moment, and 483 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: we'll all be there and will and trust me, I 484 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: will cry again as I cried the other day. But 485 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: this two guys, and maybe to women who are athletes 486 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,360 Speaker 1: as well, this will be the indelible mark that he'll 487 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: look back on. I thought I felt the same thing. 488 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: My grandparents were at my graduation at that meant a 489 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: lot to me. But I remember walking off the field 490 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: my senior year. I remember where I was, and I 491 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 1: remember when it hit me. I remember all that as 492 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: opposed to I kind of remember graduation. 493 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 2: I just was curious, Yeah, I see that, And it's 494 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 2: about the people you're surrounded by, right, I mean at graduation. 495 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 2: I don't know was it alphabetical. I don't remember who 496 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 2: I was sitting with a graduation. 497 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: And boy, your last I've thought about this. Zema oh man, I. 498 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 2: Get the biggest applause. It's over. 499 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: There was there was there ever, like a z y 500 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: last name, like. 501 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 2: Hard to beat, but you're I remember one thing I 502 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 2: remember about sitting graduation is I was so involved with 503 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 2: my journalism school. I was the president of organizations, and 504 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 2: I spoke at the opening of a new building, and 505 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 2: I was I knew professors like. I was very involved. 506 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 2: I liked to be busy. I still do. There were 507 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 2: kids who got up at graduation from the journalism school 508 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 2: in my class who I'd never seen before, and I'd 509 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 2: never heard their names before. And you know, so you 510 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 2: don't you know when you're leaving your lacrosse final lacrosse game, 511 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 2: especially as a senior, you know everybody on that team. 512 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 2: You're not a freshman who doesn't really know anyone yet, 513 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 2: and you know everyone, and you're surrounded by your friends 514 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 2: and you've spent years building these relationships and it's something 515 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 2: you loved doing. Like I think graduations just bigger, less intimate, 516 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 2: less emotional, and what exactly is it representing. Probably the 517 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 2: best moments of graduation are looking up and seeing your 518 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 2: family there. 519 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're well, I guess at the end of 520 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 1: the day what you're saying, and it's true. It's about 521 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 1: the relationships. It's always about the relationships. And if you've 522 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: ever been a part of a team, you know, like 523 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I still text with my college soccer team, 524 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 1: like we still talk to each other, we still keep 525 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: in touch and give each other a hard time because 526 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: nothing has changed. And he'll do that forever with his guys, 527 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: and so it is. I guess it's always about those relationships. 528 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: And that's what you're saying goodbye to because you're not 529 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: going to see those guys next year. They're going to 530 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: carry on. And that's the other thing. It's that that 531 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: old life in the song the world spins madly on, 532 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: you know, the freshmen and sophomore and juniors are picking 533 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: up their stuff and heading out to have a beer 534 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,719 Speaker 1: because like, oh, next year, I'll see it, camp, I'll 535 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: see it. You know, we'll be back at it. You know, 536 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: better luck next time. And you realize this, this was 537 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: my next time. 538 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 2: That was it, And you don't get it until you're 539 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,719 Speaker 2: in their shoes. Like I remember being a freshman at 540 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 2: my sorority chapter and hearing this an older girl. 541 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: Would speak it ah to totally totally. 542 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 2: Which was like a great tradition because they would try 543 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 2: to impart wisdom on us. The question was were we listening, 544 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 2: and she advised all of us. She said, I'm telling you, 545 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 2: I don't think this is going to sink in. But 546 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 2: college isn't about dating boys. It's about making your female friends. 547 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 2: And she said that, and I guess on some level 548 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 2: it sung in because I remembered it. 549 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you have the best female friends in the 550 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: world from Maszoo. 551 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 2: Yes, they do. But then senior year I finally understood it. 552 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, she was right. It was about the friendships. 553 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 2: It wasn't about you know, you get obsessed and crush 554 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 2: over boys, but it was about the friendships. 555 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: Well, half the crap our parents say, half the crap 556 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: I've said as a parent, that should that should hit 557 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: the mar and it should make a difference. You know, 558 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: it won't until later, Like you know, there's things that 559 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 1: you'll just know that when they have kids, you'll get it, 560 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: et cetera. And you I don't know if that's like 561 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 1: a safety mechanism that God gives us of. We're just 562 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 1: not aware at certain moments in our life. Because if 563 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: you walked around like a raw nerve, always aware of 564 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: these things. You probably would be incapacitated and it would 565 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,959 Speaker 1: maybe take away from those moments. But I think, you know, 566 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it hit him as he was well, 567 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 1: you know, shaking hands the last time and all that, 568 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: and you saw him walking off the field, and it 569 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: took me right back. And I mean, I'm fifty two 570 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: years old and I remember it. And now it's weird 571 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: for me to be watching it as a father, to 572 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: be watching my son have the same walk I did 573 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 1: and the same feelings I did, and it's I'm so 574 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: far removed from it yet now I'm watching him do it, 575 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: and it's a lot of pride, a lot of nostalgia, 576 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: and I'm just you know, I'm so damn proud of him. 577 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: Same thing with Taylor. Now she's going to get annoyed 578 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 1: because I am going to glom onto her for the 579 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: next two years, and so cup to four years, two 580 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:05,479 Speaker 1: four years. 581 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 2: It makes me so happy too that they had these 582 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 2: years of college together. It's so special and kind of 583 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 2: rare that a brother and sister go to college together. 584 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 2: I love seeing them hang out together. You certainly feel 585 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 2: like you. I mean, I look at them, the way 586 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 2: they hang out and and the way Josh is with 587 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 2: his friends, and I just think, you know, you just 588 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 2: did such a good job with parenting, babe. I mean, 589 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 2: I'm so grateful to have these kids in my life, 590 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,880 Speaker 2: and you two just have done I mean, you made 591 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 2: great kids, and the way they treat other people is 592 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 2: what shows you that. By the way, what I was 593 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 2: trying to get you to know earlier was that the 594 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 2: last play the term would be like closing night or 595 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 2: like the finale. Yeah, okay, one thing I want to 596 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 2: ask you, though, We'll get two things. One was I 597 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 2: feel like time was hitting you a little bit when 598 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 2: you saw when you're comparing like Josh's last game to 599 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 2: remembering your last for sure, were what was going through 600 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 2: your head? Just and I don't mean time like of 601 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 2: Josh being older. 602 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: I know that, but like, no, I talked to my 603 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: dad last night about this, just like you know, He's like, 604 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: life goes by so remarkably fast, and he's like, I remember, 605 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: you know, this is my dad talking, and he said 606 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: his dad, my grandfather said to him, you know, it 607 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: goes by in the blink of an eye. And you 608 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: hear that as a kid, but you know, the days 609 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: go by slow, the years go by fast, the old saying, 610 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: but as you get older, it really does continue to 611 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: speed up. And I told my dad, I said, you know, 612 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: I think it's also only when you're blessed and life 613 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: is great, and because when when we are in grief 614 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: or we are in whatever, those days go by slow. 615 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: Those moments go by slow. When things are going so 616 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: swimmingly well and your your kids are thriving, and your 617 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: wife is thriving, and things are beautiful and you're we're 618 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: in a good, you know, season of life. You know 619 00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: it'll ebb and flow and there will be the ups 620 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: and down. But it definitely caught me off guard of yeah, 621 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: I'm you know, I am at this point in my 622 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,959 Speaker 1: life and I'm now watching my son wrap things up 623 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: and head off into the real world. So yeah, I know, 624 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: it definitely makes you realize life goes by fast. 625 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 2: I'm a big believer too in like continuing to do 626 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 2: I don't know, I think sometimes there can it's important 627 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 2: to take those moments in. But then also like I 628 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 2: don't like the uh oh it's over and done by that. 629 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 2: I mean, like Josh is already talking about Okay, you 630 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 2: might plan all across team. Yeah, you know, like he's 631 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 2: looking at one here in Austin. I think for when 632 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 2: he's in his early twenties. And I loved theater in school, 633 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 2: but I went on to take improv classes and do 634 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 2: improv teams in my twenties. And I know you did 635 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 2: some soccer teams. Does it feel really different or does 636 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 2: it scratch that itch? 637 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: And again I think, I think, what again? The Good 638 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: Lord gives us the ability, especially at that age, what's next? 639 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: And you know, I never thought high school was the 640 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: greatest moment in life. I never looked at college is 641 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: the greatest moment in life. I always thought what was next? 642 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: And so I think at that age, Josh is already 643 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: excited about his job. He's already excited about getting his 644 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: first apartment. That was me. I was like, as soon 645 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: as I was done, Yeah, I was sad about walking 646 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: off the field, missing my boys, but I was going 647 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: to be a sportscaster. I was about to get my 648 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: first job, and I was so fired up to launch 649 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: my career that that was my goal. I've always been 650 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: like that in life about what's next. Looking and I 651 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: don't mean in an ungrateful way. I don't mean I 652 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: don't appreciate the moment. I really do. I think I'm 653 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: very good about that. But I always whether you're setting goals, 654 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: setting the bar higher, pushing yourself, I've always thought what's 655 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: next in life, and so in that moment in college, 656 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: I was like, great, I'm going on to be a sportscaster. 657 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: At the time, I didn't know it would be in 658 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: Oklahoma City. I thought I was gonna have to go 659 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: to a much smaller circuit and market to start. I 660 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: got very lucky to start in Oklahoma City with a 661 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: great mentor, Bill Jiggans. But I think that's where Josh 662 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: is like, he'll be sad that afternoon, he moves on, 663 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: He's onto the next And yeah, I played a little 664 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: semi pro soccer. I did you know sportscasting. I was 665 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: so fired up about everything going on in life. It's 666 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: really later when those the sadness kind of turns to memories, 667 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: and those memories and I kind of think grief might 668 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: be like this, and you could probably fill me in. 669 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: It's like that gutting and it's different on different level 670 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: of grief, but like that open wound slowly turns to 671 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: great memories there's still sadness. You still can lament the 672 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: fact that it's gone. But like now I have memories 673 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: and it's like, I don't know if it was like that. 674 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: Does that make sense? 675 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't. Does Josh finishing lacrosse feel 676 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 2: like an open wound at first? 677 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: It does? Really, Yeah, I mean it's just it's raw. 678 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: It's a raw nerve. You're sad and you feel. 679 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 2: I don't think I was. I've never Here's the thing. 680 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 2: I've realized this as you're talking. I have never like 681 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 2: been that sad when things were ending. Yeah, Like I'm like, 682 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 2: I don't remember my last improv comedy show with my 683 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 2: comedy group that I loved in college. I don't remember it. 684 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 2: I don't. I think I was always like even more 685 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 2: and on to the next person, which I'm not just 686 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 2: saying is a good thing. I just was very well. 687 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: I think it is a good thing and in people, No, 688 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: I think it's a great attribute. 689 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 2: Like I didn't really, I mean, I don't know. I 690 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 2: didn't really get sad about I called myself an emotional shudder. 691 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 2: I'm like, don't be sad, it's over. Be glad it happened. 692 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 2: Let's keep going, I think. 693 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: And I respect this about you and I know this 694 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: about you, which is another reason I'm saying, and I 695 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: think high functioning successful people are always looking at what's next, 696 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: even when things are great, but also when things are bad. 697 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: Like you don't get too high with the highs, you 698 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: don't get too low with the lows. You're just like, Okay, 699 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: I can do better, I can push myself. I can 700 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: continue to raise the bar in my life no matter 701 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,239 Speaker 1: what it is. That's I think it's a it's an 702 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: admirable quality to have, and I think I see it 703 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: in successful people. 704 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 2: I think it's I've had open wounds when things ended 705 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 2: traumatic or badly, but kind of like we were talking 706 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 2: about with grief. To me, I didn't have that reaction 707 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 2: with something like lacrosse ending. It's like, well, we knew 708 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 2: this was coming, and this is the natural order of things, 709 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 2: and this is okay. It's certainly awesome to reflect on it. 710 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 2: Like and like I said, I'm so glad I saw 711 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 2: Josh taking the moment in Yeah, and Babe, if you 712 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 2: want to still play soccer, you can go join it somewhere. 713 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: I've escaped with my knees intact. But you know what 714 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 1: Josh doesn't know and what you didn't know. What I 715 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: didn't know when we were leaving those organizations is the 716 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: lessons you've learned that are going to pay dividends so 717 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,959 Speaker 1: much and the rest of your life. So proud of him, TC, 718 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: Lacrosse family, Thank you guys. It was a great run 719 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 1: for four years. TC Who's been a great run and 720 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: a great home for him for four years. Graduations coming 721 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: up next, babe. It was good to catch up. I'm glad. 722 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: We just look this is a little different podcast today. 723 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,760 Speaker 1: We just wanted to catch up and we love talking 724 00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 1: to you guys, and we will do it again next 725 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: time because we have a lot more to talk about. 726 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Follow us on Instagram at the most 727 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: dramatic pod ever and make sure to write us a 728 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 1: review and leave us five stars. I'll talk to you 729 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: next time.