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Speaker 1: Hey there, everybody.

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Speaker 2: It is Tuesday, March twenty fourth, and yes, we all

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Speaker 2: know that cell phone video that got Frankie Taylor Paul's

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Speaker 1: It ended abruptly.

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Speaker 2: But now there is new body cam video that literally

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Speaker 2: picks up where that cell phone video drops off, and

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Speaker 2: we see and we hear with our own ears exactly

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Speaker 2: what happened when police got involved. In a way, we

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Speaker 2: actually get to hear from Taylor's ex Dakota. He hasn't

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Speaker 2: spoken out publicly, but we hear him directly talking to police,

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Speaker 2: and it fills in a whole lot of blanks. And

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Speaker 2: with that, everyone, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ.

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Speaker 2: We both watched this video, babe. It was several minutes long,

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Speaker 2: and I learned a lot.

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Speaker 3: What'd you learn?

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Speaker 2: I learned that Dakota looked and sounded completely sober and

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Speaker 2: very sane, in direct contrast to how Taylor presented herself,

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Speaker 2: and it was interesting hearing his version of events.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm in his version he told to police at

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Speaker 3: the time seems to be very similar to the versions

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Speaker 3: he's telling publicly right now.

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Speaker 2: He basically earnestly seems like though he's a guy who

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Speaker 2: wants to help his girlfriend, he doesn't seem at least

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Speaker 2: in this video, he doesn't seem angry anymore.

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Speaker 1: We don't know what happened before the video.

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Speaker 2: He tells the story about how he was picking her

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Speaker 2: up from a girl's night. She wanted to come with

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Speaker 2: him to a concert. Somehow, an argument ensued and he

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Speaker 2: realized very quickly she was in no condition to go

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Speaker 2: to this concert, that she wanted to go with him too.

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Speaker 1: But I was actually moved by how much.

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Speaker 2: He seemed to care about her well being when he

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Speaker 2: had just been viciously attacked, or at least that is

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Speaker 2: what we saw in the video before this one.

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Speaker 3: Moved is what you're going You were moved.

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Speaker 1: I was surprised, maybe would be a better word.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't expecting him to be so calm and so

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Speaker 3: I mean, in that moment, maybe he's concerned because he

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Speaker 3: understands how bad this is going to look for her

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Speaker 3: versus for him. And look what you call these folks,

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Speaker 3: ride or die. These are folks who understand the situation

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Speaker 3: that it's better for us if I take the fall,

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Speaker 3: then you take the fall. He could have been looking

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Speaker 3: at it in that regard or to your point, that

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Speaker 3: his girlfriend.

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Speaker 2: Well, I do think it's interesting given what we've heard

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Speaker 2: from Taylor Frankie Paul so far, at least through her publicist,

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Speaker 2: through her people, is trying to paint a very different

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Speaker 2: picture of Dakota.

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Speaker 1: And so this video, at least.

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Speaker 2: The video we saw of that from the cell phone

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Speaker 2: video that Dakota himself recorded. But now fast forward to

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Speaker 2: this body camp footage from police. What we hear from

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Speaker 2: Taylor Frankie Paul's camp and what we hear in this

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Speaker 2: body cam video are two very different things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, there hasn't been a whole lot about

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Speaker 3: this guy we have seen. Look, I don't watch the show.

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Speaker 3: I didn't see him throughout, so I don't know his

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Speaker 3: demeanor if you will, normally. But he hasn't come off

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Speaker 3: anything we've seen. Excuse me, I've seen like a crazed person,

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Speaker 3: if you will. Now behind the scenes and allegations of

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Speaker 3: domestic violence being thrown both ways, who knows. We just

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Speaker 3: haven't seen that yet the way we've seen it with her.

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Speaker 1: We haven't seen it from him.

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Speaker 2: We've seen it from her, And what we did here

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Speaker 2: was him telling police he was worried about her, that

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Speaker 2: she's not doing okay. But he also was showing the

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Speaker 2: officers the injuries he says he suffered during the fight,

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Speaker 2: his elbow, his finger. He seemed I mean, it was

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: You and I watch a lot of true crime, generally speaking,

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Speaker 2: and we see a lot of these interviews with folks

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean we all think we know, right,

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Speaker 3: you can tell in somebody's lying. We've seen enough of

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Speaker 3: these things. Usually we have hindsight, right in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: Hindsiet is always twenty twenty. But you would like to

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Speaker 2: Yes, and you can look it's tough for Taylor. I

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Speaker 2: can't imagine. And we'll get into what she has said

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Speaker 2: about some of these videos being released and how it's

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Speaker 2: affecting not only her but her children. So she has

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Speaker 2: been putting a few things out, at least through comments.

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Speaker 2: She's had a few moments on social media since this

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Speaker 2: all went down. We haven't heard anything directly from Dakota

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Speaker 2: other than through these videos. And to me, this seems

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Speaker 2: so he did do that. But these body cam videos

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Speaker 2: just seem very authentic to me because it wasn't as

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Speaker 2: And look, the thing that's making so many headlines today

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Speaker 2: to take him to jail instead of tailor. I'm curious

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Speaker 2: what your thoughts were on that moment, because that is

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Speaker 2: what most people are talking about in what's been revealed

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Speaker 3: No, I'm to be honest with you, that look like

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Speaker 3: You are the moneymaker, you are the star, and it's

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Speaker 3: first thought. This is a guy who gets it. Now,

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Speaker 3: on the other part of that, it could be a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think if any of you haven't watched

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Speaker 2: because if you're listening to this, it's likely you have

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Speaker 2: seen the video that got the Bachelorette season completely canceled.

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Speaker 2: Because yes, we see Taylor Frankie Paul at her apps worse,

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Speaker 1: One of them inadvertently hits her little girl.

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Speaker 2: But you see just how violent and how awful it

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Speaker 2: when you take that and couple it directly with his

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Speaker 2: to be more heated, to be more upset about what

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Speaker 2: does need to go to jail, she does need to

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Speaker 2: says to him, maybe this will be a wake up

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Speaker 2: call for Taylor. He's basically explaining to Dakota why he

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Speaker 1: I thought that was usually it would be the other

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Speaker 2: The boyfriend would be telling the cops why they should

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Speaker 3: I mean, that just says to me that Dakota has

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Speaker 3: been there, done that before. This was no maybe new

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Speaker 3: but for Dakota, this didn't seem to be a new

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Speaker 3: this the next time. It just that's what it felt

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Speaker 2: Out of the norm, something that made me think about

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Speaker 2: what comes next. When I don't know that Taylor knows

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Speaker 2: or thought that these videos were going to be coming out,

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Speaker 2: obviously when she was canceled, we heard from her people

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Speaker 2: saying that she was going to tell her story, and

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Speaker 2: she absolutely more than hinted at the fact that Dakota

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Speaker 2: has been this, you know, person who she's had to

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Speaker 2: deal with abuse wise, that she's a victim that she

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Speaker 2: suffered in silence. But with this bodycam footage out, I

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Speaker 2: wonder if that is just as likely. Is she still

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Speaker 2: the face of this video that would be interesting.

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Speaker 1: Does this video change anything for her and her strategy?

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Speaker 3: She's got a high, high priced strategist working for her

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Speaker 3: So I don't think anything. I can't imagine anything we

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Speaker 1: That does make a lot of sense.

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Speaker 2: And look, Dakota ends this bodycam footage ends with him saying,

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Speaker 2: I truly just want her to get help. Whether you

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Speaker 2: But she has responded to the cell phone video and

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Speaker 1: Welcome back everyone.

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Speaker 2: On this Tuesday, we are still dealing with new video,

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Speaker 2: new reactions, lots of folks talking about the Frankie Taylor,

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Speaker 2: Paul Dakota, Mortenson saga. Yes, brand new bodycam footage has

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Speaker 1: Basically, it picks up.

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Speaker 2: What that cell phone footage drops off where we see

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Speaker 2: that horrific fight, that violent fight where you see Taylor

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Speaker 2: throwing metal chairs at Dakota, the absolute video that certainly

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Speaker 2: made Disney, or we should say force Disney to make

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Speaker 2: the decision to take the Bachelorette off the air. Well,

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Speaker 2: now this new video picks up or that left off,

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Speaker 2: and we see Dakota actually very calm, seemingly sober, and

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Speaker 2: seemingly wanting to actually help Taylor in those moments. Now,

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Speaker 2: Taylor has been fairly quiet, but she said she's not

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Speaker 2: going away. She's put some comments out, so clearly she

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Speaker 2: We always say, never read the comments, but it's clear

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's her livelihood is being online, being aware of

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Speaker 3: what people are saying, and then certainly about you. But

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe she does have her supporters. I

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Speaker 3: haven't taken a close look, but I know she had

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Speaker 3: her Everybody at that level has a stash of I

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Speaker 3: guess rabbit fans, the believers and the Swifties and that

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Speaker 3: kind of thing she had. I think they call them

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Speaker 3: something the Taylor Army or something or the other. But

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Speaker 3: I don't know what are they saying about her out there.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, she's obviously dealing with a lot of incoming

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Speaker 2: and some folks are saying, you know, go away, put

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Speaker 2: your phone down. Early on she put something out saying,

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Speaker 2: that is part of her brand. No one tells me

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Speaker 2: She said, worst part is my daughter having to relive

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Speaker 3: Okay that could all be true, Yes, yes, And I

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Speaker 3: this is a part of a strategy.

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Speaker 1: I would say, I would say so.

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Speaker 2: And the choice to comment on someone's video versus put

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Speaker 2: she points out, I don't know if she wants sympathy

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Speaker 1: I'm sure she is.

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Speaker 2: But the day that that video came out, that basically

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Speaker 3: Do we know where how the video ends up becoming public?

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Speaker 2: Well, TMZ got it, so Lord knows how TMZ got it,

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Speaker 1: TMZ's not going to say how they got it.

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Speaker 3: But they wrote and it was some suggestion as if

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Speaker 2: absolutely suggest And look, I think it's true that video

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Speaker 2: So that's interesting. He the father of those children and

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Speaker 2: So it doesn't seem as though this was video that

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Speaker 3: I mean, yes, Dakota is the first suspect in that,

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Speaker 3: I mean, he just doesn't seem like a guy who's

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Speaker 3: after her. It's crazy, that sounds bro. It just doesn't.

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Speaker 3: He still loves her. Maybe there's a chance or whatever.

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Speaker 3: He just doesn't seem like he is trying to ruin her.

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Speaker 3: Could be completely wrong, and he could be playing us

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Speaker 2: It was him?

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Speaker 3: But who wasn't saying you? You were explaining to me

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Speaker 3: that what when was the latest domestic violence incident?

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Speaker 1: It happened February twenty fourth and February twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Pay to remind me again, did that allegedly happen after

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Speaker 3: she allegedly got engaged? Yes on the badge threat?

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Speaker 2: Right? Yes?

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Speaker 3: So did that domestic violence incident happen because of the

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Speaker 1: We don't know what came. That is what we don't know.

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Speaker 2: First. Oh, and believe me, there are plenty of people

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Speaker 2: who are already sleuthing all sorts of things. They are

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Speaker 2: who was with whom, what different people think. Oh, there

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Speaker 2: is so much behind the scenes hustling going on right

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Speaker 2: the bauchurette, especially if we're not ever going to see it,

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Speaker 1: Her ex. Sorry Dakota and Taylor.

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Speaker 3: significant probation.

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Speaker 1: Yes, through August.

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Speaker 3: She wasn't supposed to mess.

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Speaker 1: Up, correct, she had three years of probation.

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Speaker 3: Any way, form of fashion, including robes, just having alcohol

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Speaker 3: she wasn't supposed to have. So this new case or

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Speaker 3: that's being investigated now, the prosecutor there has already come

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Speaker 3: out and say, yeah, you're damn right, this thing could

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Speaker 2: Yes, she might be arrested simply because there's an investigation,

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Speaker 2: because the allegations and what we may see in certain

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Speaker 2: is a obviously much more to come on this story,

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Speaker 2: but wanted to hop on and give you the latest.

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Speaker 2: This new video that came out and certainly some of

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Speaker 2: the reaction from Taylor, Frankie Paul, but we always appreciate

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Speaker 2: you listening to us.

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Speaker 1: I'm Amy Roebuck alongside TJ.

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Speaker 2: Holmes.

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Speaker 1: We will talk to you soon