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Speaker 2: David is interesting. That's how use an arrepreneur. And he

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Speaker 2: has a company called Inception, which is actually a mental wellness.

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Speaker 2: It's a variety of different things. It's an actual a

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Speaker 2: physical facility and it actually just reading it. I'll let

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Speaker 2: him explain it better than I can, but it attacks it.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to say attack. It approaches mental health

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Speaker 2: from a whole different standpoint.

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Speaker 3: I like to call it, and maybe you can take

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Speaker 3: Maybe you guys call it just a sent a wellness enterprise.

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Speaker 4: Well we call it the first mental health gym.

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Speaker 5: Mental health gym.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's something that so let's start right there,

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Speaker 2: because that's that really caught my attention because usually it's

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Speaker 2: mental hospital. Right, I've never heard of it a mental gym.

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Speaker 2: You think of gym. You think of like exercise and

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Speaker 2: said mental health gym. So what does that mean? What's

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Speaker 6: Well, the reason why I came up with a term

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Speaker 6: actual process for everyday people to come in and take

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Speaker 6: care of their The number one thing we have is

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Speaker 6: average person. When we talk about mental health, we always

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Speaker 6: like that. We go to this very extreme, but we

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Speaker 6: don't understand that seventy to ninety percent of doctor's business

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Speaker 6: or do to stress related illnesses. So all of your

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Speaker 6: issues that's happening right now is based on stress and anxiety,

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Speaker 6: and well stress anxiety is just a symptom of stress,

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Speaker 6: but stress and trauma. So I wanted to create something

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Speaker 6: in two thousand and seven, because I personally suffer from anxiety, depression,

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Speaker 6: looking for something to help me overcome what I was

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Speaker 4: Typically is talk therapy and the other as medication.

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Speaker 6: And that's when I first I found my first technology

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Speaker 6: that we use called brainwave optimization brain training is the

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Speaker 6: anxiety by fifty percent just in one day. Pharmacology can't

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Speaker 6: even get those types of results. And this is all

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Speaker 6: And so Inception is just it was a name and

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Speaker 6: it's like, well I need to put a title to

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Speaker 6: it to call the people to understand that, Hey, you

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Speaker 7: Innsell, I think you said something something brilliant. You said.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people across the country, they look at

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Speaker 3: brain training, how what took the technicque where'd you get

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Speaker 4: My background is and information technology.

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Speaker 6: So but the brain is really like like the Internet,

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Speaker 4: Because growing up we taught we were taught that.

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Speaker 6: We all probably heard it you can't teach an old

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Speaker 7: Right. So, yeah, we.

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Speaker 6: Found that technology, and I found it out of Arizona,

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Speaker 6: It's not in mainstream medical society. So I was really

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Speaker 6: But now you fast forward thirteen years later, you hear

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Speaker 2: So can we talk about your journey as far as

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Speaker 2: so two thousand and five, you you suffered from severe anxiety,

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Speaker 5: Right, So where did that just happen overnight?

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Speaker 6: our lives. The problem is when we talk about trauma,

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Speaker 6: So you take a look at tell people they say

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Speaker 6: the moment you're born, you're a trauma clock starts ticking,

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Speaker 6: that's all trauma is. Trauma is is nothing but a

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Speaker 6: you know, you go into school. We all at one

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Speaker 6: point in time either we were bullied at school or

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Speaker 6: But when people come to me and they say they

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Speaker 6: What happened when you start getting these symptoms, and it's

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Speaker 2: So you spoke about as far as a technique I

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Speaker 5: It's altered. Yeah, yeah, is what exactly is that?

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Speaker 6: So brain training is a computer software is the technical

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Speaker 6: term is called neuro feedback.

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Speaker 4: Neuro feedback have been around for thirty years.

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Speaker 6: So back to that trauma concept where your brain is

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Speaker 6: To protect you. Now, this is all instinctual. It has

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Speaker 6: So but after the event is over, after the stressful

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Speaker 6: observe itself. So the brain training is really it's acting

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Speaker 6: they'll end up in tears. Why is it because now

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Speaker 2: Okay, So as far as you know, turn it into

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Speaker 2: an actual business, right because you decided to try not

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Speaker 2: only help people, would actually build out a whole brand

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Speaker 2: about it. What was the deciding fact then? How did

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Speaker 2: that come about it? As far as all right, so

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Speaker 6: So when we created the first business neuro fitness center,

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Speaker 2: So as far as you know, I know you have

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Speaker 4: You know, you need, you.

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Speaker 6: Know, multitude of tools. If you go to the gym,

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Speaker 6: Long story short, So anybody who thinks about going to

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Speaker 3: At that point, you have the brain training and then

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Speaker 4: That versus having it go after you in a conscious way.

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Speaker 2: So if you don't for you to open a mental gym,

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Speaker 5: Like? How is that?

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Speaker 6: Well, all all of our technologies are really kind of

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Speaker 2: So in this secon we're gonna talk with a few

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Speaker 2: Mental effects of isolation and social distancing. This is something

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Speaker 2: that we've never really seen on a large scale, but

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Speaker 2: it's been scientifically proven that, you know, humans for the

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Speaker 2: most part, are social creatures, whether whether it's you know,

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Speaker 2: attending a religious institution or whether it's a church or whatever,

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Speaker 2: or going to school, going to work, everything. Most of

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Speaker 2: the most part, you always congregated around people. Even if

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Speaker 2: you're an introvert, you still go to school, you still

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Speaker 2: go to work like you have some kind of interaction.

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Speaker 2: This is like the first time and you know, I

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Speaker 2: can remember probably in modern history where everybody's been isolated

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Speaker 2: for a long period of time. So what do you

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Speaker 2: think the mental effects of social distancing will be on people?

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Speaker 4: Lowered immune system and high trauma?

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Speaker 6: Because so two thousand and seven, I heard a story

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Speaker 6: and I don't have the exact source of this, but

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Speaker 6: they were telling me that, So if there's a let's

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Speaker 6: pool of fish together collectively survived that earthquake. That one fish,

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Speaker 6: that one off dies. Why this group economics is group energy,

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Speaker 6: is group currency. Right, You by yourself stand alone, you

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Speaker 6: can't survive that. This is why we go to churches.

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Speaker 6: This is why we're we're really very tribal. You know,

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Speaker 6: we are more stronger together than we are apart. So

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Speaker 6: the social distancing affects I mean again, it's it's it's

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Speaker 6: our brain is literally reacting to this.

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Speaker 4: Our brain is reacting to lack of touch too, because

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Speaker 4: touch is huge, and we don't we don't really don't

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Speaker 4: even talk about that.

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Speaker 6: So specifically, again, men, men don't really get touched. Why

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Speaker 6: do we think we always have to sex. We don't

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Speaker 6: really get touched when you get a handshake from your

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Speaker 6: brother or something like sometimes, but you don't really it's

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Speaker 6: not like many people hugging you.

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Speaker 4: Right, So I think that we're gonna.

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Speaker 6: See some major deficits from this in terms of just mental,

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Speaker 6: emotional or physical because of again this distancing and constantly

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Speaker 6: seeing trauma over and over again by constantly watching the numbers,

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Speaker 6: and you know, Detroit, a lot of people have died,

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Speaker 6: So to keep seeing that people I know, people who

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Speaker 6: I went to school with parents and things of that nature.

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Speaker 4: That's that's very traumatic to be watching that.

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Speaker 6: So I think that it's it's it's going to be

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Speaker 6: worse than the virus.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I work in elementary school, so I'm always

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Speaker 3: thinking about the mental well being of the children that

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Speaker 3: going through this.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: I have a sums in kindergarten, so this is his

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Speaker 3: first school experience, right, And there's so many children throughout

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Speaker 3: the United States and throughout the world really that are

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Speaker 3: living in social isolation, and sometimes that's not the best environment.

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Speaker 3: Do you think there is like maybe something modified that

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Speaker 3: brain training could be something that could creep into education, right,

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Speaker 3: because I feel like the mental health piece is going

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Speaker 3: to be something that we won't know the long term

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Speaker 3: effects right because we're living in it right now.

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Speaker 4: So say that again, do I think that brain training

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Speaker 4: would be kind.

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Speaker 3: Of, oh, some type of modified version of it of

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Speaker 3: having mental health professionals? I know you guys have a

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Speaker 3: team there. Is it something that could creep into education?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we've been looking at.

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Speaker 6: Wanting to be able to put this into like school settings,

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Speaker 6: but it's just.

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Speaker 4: A lot of red tape involved in that.

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Speaker 6: Now, we do work with we do work with kids

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Speaker 6: in general, but again it's a lot of red tape

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Speaker 6: with that. But we actually made some headway and get

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Speaker 6: into the Detroit police and right before this happened, we

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Speaker 6: had twenty Detroit police officers that's supposed to come in

565
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Speaker 6: on Eightpril fifth and that got diverted. So so that's

566
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Speaker 6: something that we want to do is get out there

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Speaker 6: and be inside communities and take our tools outside of

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Speaker 6: the doors.

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Speaker 4: To the people who need it, which is really you know, everybody.

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Speaker 2: So one of the things that stops middle class, just

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Speaker 2: black community in general from going to mental health is

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Speaker 2: the prices, Right, So like you know, therapists, they can charge.

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Speaker 2: It depends one hundred dollars an hour, thousand dollars an hour,

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Speaker 2: depending on what part of the country you're in. And

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Speaker 2: I think it's always been looked at as kind of

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Speaker 2: like a luxury a lot of times going to therapy

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Speaker 2: and something that you know, people wealthy people do. So

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Speaker 2: what's what's your what's your eight what's your thoughts on that?

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Speaker 2: Like I said, specifically specifically for our community, what's your

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Speaker 2: thoughts on that? And how have you battled that as

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Speaker 2: far as your your business mind? Because obviously you're in Detroit,

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Speaker 2: which is you know, it's a it's a blue collar town,

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Speaker 2: which obviously has had a lot of economic issues, So like,

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Speaker 2: what's what's how do you handle that from the economic standpoint?

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Speaker 6: I handle that as a businessman and understanding that people

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Speaker 6: pay for what they want. You know, people pay for

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Speaker 6: the things they find value in. So the problem hasn't

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Speaker 6: necessarily been the pricing. The problem is being they don't

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Speaker 6: see the value in it, Like I don't understand, like,

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Speaker 6: what's this really doing for me? You know, what will

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Speaker 6: stand in line for Jordan's We know this, how many

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Speaker 6: times we somebody on your show.

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Speaker 4: How to say that, right.

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Speaker 7: Maybe that's always the example. That's you.

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Speaker 5: I just I just thought the other day, right.

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Speaker 7: Everybody, that's the example, and we do.

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Speaker 6: And my thought process is because when I was dealing

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Speaker 6: with anxiety and panic attacks. You know, I'm not a

599
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Speaker 6: wealthy person, but I'm gonna make it happen. I'm gonna

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Speaker 6: get I'm gonna get what I want. And I put

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Speaker 6: a lot of money into myself because that's if I

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Speaker 6: put so much into here, I'm going to get more

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Speaker 6: out of myself.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to be in a better state to be able.

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Speaker 6: To manifest and create opportunities for myself and other people.

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Speaker 6: Those shoes or whatever things that we buy, it don't

607
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Speaker 6: it doesn't do that, right. So I think that has

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Speaker 6: just really been a it's been a brand issue, you know,

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Speaker 6: And that's where I think that inception that we're rebranding

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Speaker 6: mental health because I'm working with a lot of you know,

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Speaker 6: hip hop artists.

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Speaker 4: I want to work with, you know, we work with

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Speaker 4: Charlotte Mane, work with people.

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Speaker 6: I don't want to look at this as like, you know,

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Speaker 6: come because you have this issue. No, come because you

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Speaker 6: want to better yourself.

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Speaker 4: You have some diagnosis.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm glad you said.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about Charlamagne thing too, because he's

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Speaker 2: just actually this is You're the second guest that he's

621
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Speaker 2: worked with, and I think it's interesting because, yeah, he's

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Speaker 2: been very vocal about his mental his mental health, and

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Speaker 2: he's wrote a book about it, and he's he's been,

624
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Speaker 2: you know, obviously very on the forefront of that. So

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Speaker 2: how did that partnership come about? As far as were

626
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Speaker 2: you and Charleye?

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Speaker 6: I told my mom back in January twenty nineteen, I said,

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna get Charlott Mane.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how I was gonna do it. I

630
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Speaker 4: just believe. I mean, I'm I'm big into manifesting.

631
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Speaker 6: I'm big into creating my reality and understanding that and

632
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Speaker 6: by using all my tools, it gives me a level

633
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Speaker 6: of peace and slowed.

634
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Speaker 4: Down this and relax where I can.

635
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Speaker 6: Be a businessman who's going to be on the being

636
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Speaker 6: the flow versus trying to make things happen.

637
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Speaker 4: I don't like that process. I want to be in

638
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Speaker 4: the flow of everything. So for Charlotte Mane, it was

639
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Speaker 4: just natural.

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Speaker 6: It's like, this guy's talking about this, but I feel

641
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Speaker 6: like he's missing pieces that I lied to him, and

642
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Speaker 6: so I kept tagging him in a post because we

643
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Speaker 6: had some posts that went viral about it's a picture

644
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Speaker 6: of me and my mom's saying how we created the

645
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Speaker 6: first mental health gym, and it it started going viral.

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Speaker 4: So I started taking and then retagging it, retagging.

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Speaker 6: Him and Big Sean as well, because Big Sean is

648
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Speaker 6: from the DP, so I'm tagging him. I'm tagging, you know,

649
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Speaker 6: the notable people in the mental health field, like I

650
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Speaker 6: want to talk to y'all right, And one day I

651
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Speaker 6: wake up and I just look at my IG and

652
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Speaker 6: I see ct to God start following you. I'm like, yo,

653
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Speaker 6: this dude just start following me. I'm tripping out, Like

654
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Speaker 6: it's like nine.

655
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Speaker 4: O'clock in the morning.

656
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Speaker 6: Actually it's like six o'clock in the morning. I'm tripping out,

657
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Speaker 6: like I wonder is he gonna message me? Because I

658
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Speaker 6: had already messaged him and told him, Hey, I got

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Speaker 6: this going on, I'm going to work with you, blah

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Speaker 6: blah blah. Right, and he messaged me and said, first

661
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Speaker 6: everything he says, peace the peace.

662
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Speaker 4: Man. He said, what's your number? Man?

663
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Speaker 6: So he gave me his number and we started talking

664
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Speaker 6: you know, I told him what I was doing, and

665
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 6: he was like, you know, I want to be down

666
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 6: with what you're doing. And so we, you know, we

667
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 6: had a little back and forth in terms of playing

668
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 6: tag until one day I finally we kind of reached

669
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 6: reached each other and and and started really building and

670
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 6: I went and picked him up. It was like June

671
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,479
Speaker 6: second last year. I still remember June fourth last year,

672
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 6: and I picked him up with riding in the car.

673
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 6: I said, hey, you found me through me tagging you, right,

674
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 6: He said, no, that's not how I found you. I said, well,

675
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 6: how did you find me? He said, I looked up

676
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 6: mental health gym. I searched mental health gym because I

677
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 6: wanted to create something to see if it was something

678
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 6: that was like a mental health gym out there.

679
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 4: And and at that moment, I knew, is it saying that.

680
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 6: What you're seeking is seeking you? And me and him

681
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 6: were seeking each other. And so he said, he said, man,

682
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 6: I saw it, and I if I saw some.

683
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 4: Other dudes was doing it, I was just gonna do

684
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 4: my own thing.

685
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 6: He said.

686
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 4: I saw it was a brother, and I saw you

687
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 4: had the message in me.

688
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 6: And so that's that's really how it happened, and we've

689
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 6: been you know, we've been building ever since then.

690
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Speaker 3: He's definitely been at the forefront of the mental health space.

691
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Speaker 3: Have you seen more men of color as clients since then?

692
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 3: And who was the demographic of clients that you have?

693
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Speaker 4: Well, first, let me say this.

694
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Speaker 6: In the first probably twelve years, my client was ninety.

695
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 4: Nine percent white women. Okay, that was my clients.

696
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 6: Last year alone, I saw more black people come through

697
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 6: that door and probably a month than I had in

698
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 6: the whole thirteen years. Black men, we're definitely showing up now,

699
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 6: so the numbers are really half and half. To the

700
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 6: point where someone asked me, he said, is this place

701
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 6: with black people on?

702
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 4: But people assume that now because so many black people

703
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 4: are coming.

704
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 6: In right the perception so it's it's we're gravitating to it.

705
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 6: We're getting this message. It's our time to really heal.

706
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 6: And I think that, like, look at us, we're talking

707
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 6: about this right right now. We're like, hey, man, like no, like,

708
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 6: you know, this stuff I learned childhood was dysfunctional.

709
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 4: This was not this is the way to go, right.

710
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 6: We understand that. I can even look back at our music, like, man,

711
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 6: I love this stuff, but man that was dysfunctional like that.

712
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 6: Some of that stuff wasn't good from my mind, you know.

713
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 6: So it's a lot of us coming in now. So

714
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 6: it's it's it's exciting to see.

715
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 5: Actually, So how do you market? How do you market?

716
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 2: Just because it's not like a traditional business, I guess

717
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 2: where you know, obviously it kind of takes a little

718
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: bit more creativity to market. But I like what you

719
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 2: said about the story. That's a great way of marketing

720
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 2: things like social media stuff like that. So what's your

721
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 2: what's your marketing strategy?

722
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 6: That's my main marketing strategy right now is do the

723
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 6: ig through Instagram and then word of mouth and then

724
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 6: I do have around and then we have around twenty

725
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 6: twenty to thirty ambassadors.

726
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 4: Are really connecting with.

727
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 6: People in the city who were really movers and shakers

728
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 6: who I thought really fit what we what we do,

729
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 6: and they and they came in and so they go

730
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 6: out and they they spread that word.

731
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 5: You can you talk about that the ambassador program, like

732
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 5: what does that look like?

733
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 6: So our ambassadors they have access to our services and

734
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 6: you know, like I tell them, come in and use

735
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 6: everything and get yourself to a place of the best

736
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 6: mental space.

737
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 4: Physical space that you.

738
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 6: Can be in, because at that point, you just a

739
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 6: walking billboard. You know.

740
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 4: It's kind of like if you're walking around with six

741
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 4: packs of.

742
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 6: Abs and you know in your shirts off, people are

743
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 6: gonna run.

744
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 4: Up to you, like, hey, you a trainer training.

745
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 6: So really that's that's really the same model that we

746
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 6: have for our ambassadors.

747
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 4: It's very simple for them.

748
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 6: But you know, they come in use the services and

749
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 6: they and they go out to the community and they

750
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 6: see people who you know.

751
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 4: Want it and they bring them in.

752
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 5: So just regular this is just regular people.

753
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: Or yeah, so you got me somebody else said that

754
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: the other day that we spoke to them, or you

755
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: need to shout out to him. But it's like you

756
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 2: got to have evangelists. So people look at influencer marketing

757
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 2: and they only look at it like on Instagram, as

758
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 2: like paying celebrities to like promote your product. But there's

759
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: all kinds of influencer marketing and there's all kinds of

760
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 2: different ways how you can have evangelists for you, and

761
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 2: that's the best. That's really the best form of marketing.

762
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 2: It's like to have, you know, a core group of

763
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 2: people who really believe in your product and have them

764
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 2: actually tell their friends, their family, because it's like even

765
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 2: if you want, like if you give the product.

766
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 5: And this discoes for just any business in general.

767
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 2: I feel like if you if you have a you know,

768
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 2: a restaurant, right and you might say, okay, look, I'm

769
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: gonna feed this one person, but this one person is

770
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 2: connected to twenty five other people, so he's gonna eat

771
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 2: for free. But he loves to fool so much. He

772
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 2: goes back and he tells his whole neighborhood, his whole

773
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 2: block about the food. Now fifteen people that he told

774
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 2: come in now they're pain.

775
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 5: It's worth it.

776
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: And I think that, you know, for entrepreneurs, like I said,

777
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 2: that's a valuable lesson just for entrepreneurs in general.

778
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 4: Definite strategy.

779
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, I found that, you know a lot of stuff

780
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 6: I started doing before we are bigger. Now I was

781
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 6: just doing it, you know under my old company, neuro

782
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:25,959
Speaker 6: Fitness Center, that I.

783
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 4: Was following Loulie Women's model, you know, which is you

784
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 4: know their ambassador program.

785
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 6: They you know, they're arming all their yoga, these yoga teachers,

786
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 6: what they're clothing. You know, That's how Lulu Lemen really

787
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 6: got to that place that they are is through a

788
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 6: really strong ambassador program.

789
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're the leader of this mental health gym space, right,

790
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 3: So I'm thinking and even you said, Charla Nage searched it.

791
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 3: Have you seen anybody try to create it or replicate

792
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 3: it or come into the space.

793
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 7: Are you seeing more people doing that?

794
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 6: I mean people will come into the space and again,

795
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 6: like I said, they'll put a bunch of technology something

796
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 6: to one roof.

797
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 4: And then they'll hear me get on a podcast.

798
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 6: Like I did a podcast with a guy who had

799
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 6: a floating podcast just for floating, and I came on

800
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 6: in and I started talking about everything. I'm talking about trauma,

801
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 6: fight or flight response, all these different things, and he said, wow.

802
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 4: We never heard of that before. So I'm like, so

803
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 4: what are y'all doing?

804
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 6: Like, what are you doing with the tools? You don't

805
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 6: you don't even know. It's like it's like a you know,

806
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 6: you give a baby grand piano to anybody, but that

807
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 6: don't mean they're gonna get on there and play it.

808
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 4: Right. For me, the brand and the philosophy is what

809
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 4: inception is.

810
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 6: Not so much we put all these tool us under

811
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 6: one building because I have I've had more tools at

812
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 6: one point and pulled them out because they didn't fit

813
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 6: the rhyme or reason. So I'm kind of ahead of

814
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 6: understanding how the pieces work and why they work.

815
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, the brand ambassator on thing, I just want to

816
00:40:58,719 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 2: go back to that because that made me think going

817
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: on interview that we did. We interviewed Nick Storm shot

818
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 2: out to him and he was like the driving force

819
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 2: behind Sarak and Hypnotic as well, And especially when the

820
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 2: Sarak he was saying, like, you know, people might not know,

821
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 2: but the reason Saraq really blew up is not Diddy.

822
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: It was actually the ambassador program with DJs, and they

823
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 2: had dj from all over the country from New York

824
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: to Atlanta to and and they really they focused on

825
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 2: the DJs because they understood that the DJs was in

826
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: the nightclubs where people buying bottles in the nightclubs. So

827
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 2: if they that's when they started with the Sarac boys.

828
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: And he was telling us the whole play behind the

829
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 2: ambassador program. And when you told me that, I just

830
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: realized that, you know, a lot of times we hear

831
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 2: stuff on such a high level like that Saraq Ambassador program,

832
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 2: but it's like you could really implement any kind of

833
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 2: business strategy, whether it's a big or small level, and it's.

834
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 4: Like strategy when it was mean by myself work.

835
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 5: You know, Yeah, it's all about creativity.

836
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 4: Way to get to a certain level to implement something

837
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 4: like that.

838
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, now that's dope.

839
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: So as far as like on a mental health conversation,

840
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: because like I said, I mean, I think that it's

841
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 2: not talked about it enough as far as the stress

842
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 2: the entrepreneurs might face. And I'm sure there's a lot

843
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 2: of people that listen to this podcast that are entrepreneurs

844
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 2: or business people. Can you talk about that because it's

845
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: a unique set of you as an entrepreneur. I'm sure

846
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 2: you probably know yourself right, like even going through this

847
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: coronavirus and not being able to open up your business,

848
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 2: like the financial demands and and just a different stress level.

849
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 2: You don't work a nine to five job. If you're

850
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 2: an entrepreneur, you never get off. You're always thinking about

851
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: your business two o'clock in the morning. That can that

852
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 2: can that can cause divorces, That can cause you not

853
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 2: spend enough time with your children. You can cause you

854
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 2: all kinds of mental stress. So I think that that's

855
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: something that we haven't spoken about as well, so I

856
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 2: want to talk about that because that's there's always a

857
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: flip side to everything, and the flip side of being

858
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 2: entrepreneurs are the mental. So how can people mentally, you know,

859
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 2: get themselves in a good space? And can you talk

860
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: about some of the mental stresses and pressures that entrepreneurs

861
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 2: may face.

862
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 6: I mean, you said it like it's it's a daily,

863
00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 6: daily thalt process. And specifically when you start taking on

864
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 6: when I started taking on employees and my rent quadruple,

865
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 6: you know, you know, you got a bigger nuh to

866
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 6: crack before you can break even, right, So that day

867
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 6: to day stress or monthly stress, because really around the

868
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 6: beginning of the month, everybody's stressed, right, specifically business owners.

869
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 6: And and I realized that because I was doing probably

870
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 6: about twenty years ago, I was doing what do they

871
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 6: call factory where we take invoices and pay on those invoices.

872
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 4: Where I learned at that point in time that the.

873
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 6: Average business is literally at that point was like six

874
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 6: weeks from going out of business, you know, based on

875
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 6: their cash flow.

876
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Speaker 4: So this is something that it's like, it's not just

877
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:53,919
Speaker 4: it's not just you know.

878
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 6: A few people, it's all of us who you know,

879
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Speaker 6: in the business world, we have these mental these stressors

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Speaker 6: going on.

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Speaker 4: If I didn't, if I didn't do my own.

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Speaker 6: Stuff, dude, I would have been gone, Like, there's no

883
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Speaker 6: way I could have been overcome.

884
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Speaker 4: I was building. I was going through a lawsuit, still.

885
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Speaker 6: Running the location, still running another location, and building inception

886
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Speaker 6: all at the same time while going through a lawsuit.

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Speaker 6: And I spent a lot of time brain training. I

888
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Speaker 6: spent a lot of time using my tools, because again,

889
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Speaker 6: when you're going through stuff like that, and you specially

890
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Speaker 6: a lawsuit, and you get these what they call interrogatories

891
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Speaker 6: and things that nature, they send you stuff and they

892
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Speaker 6: tell you the worst thing about yourself, right.

893
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Speaker 4: And you just fired up, like what he said?

894
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Speaker 6: What?

895
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Speaker 4: Like?

896
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Speaker 6: You know, they keep doing that and still be trying

897
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,919
Speaker 6: to build a business, and then the businesses aren't necessarily

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Speaker 6: where they need to be. And I got to pump

899
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Speaker 6: in cash flow for both both businesses. I mean that

900
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Speaker 6: that's very stressful. But you have to find some type

901
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 6: of outlet that's outside of your business.

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Speaker 4: And that's something I I did in twenty seventeen. I

903
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,439
Speaker 4: actually started. I got with a.

904
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Speaker 6: Guy and I wanted to learn it earlier. I started

905
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Speaker 6: saucer dancing, and that I would go once a week

906
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Speaker 6: to my homie who's from New Orleans, who's like one

907
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Speaker 6: of the best Cuban thought of dancers in the world,

908
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Speaker 6: black guy named Dwayne Rinn, and would I would I

909
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 6: would have that mental space and that one hour with him,

910
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Speaker 6: you know, once a week, and then I would go

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Speaker 6: out and I would dance.

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Speaker 4: It gave me ability to get back into some type of.

913
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Speaker 6: Community where people didn't know me as like that you're

914
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 6: the business owner, you didn't see that, like I need

915
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Speaker 6: to be able to just go and focus on something

916
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Speaker 6: that's totally outside of my business. And that's one of

917
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Speaker 6: the things that helped me. And just community too. You

918
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Speaker 6: need people around you. You can't be if you're out

919
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Speaker 6: here and you're a lone soldier, I mean, entrepreneur.

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Speaker 4: Suicide is really high.

921
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Speaker 6: People don't know about that, you know, because again specifically,

922
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Speaker 6: now I'm fortunate in the sense of I guess some

923
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Speaker 6: people thinking fortune not fortunate, but I'm single.

924
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Speaker 4: I I don't have a family.

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Speaker 6: Like That's how I'm able to go through this because

926
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Speaker 6: there's no way I would take a wife and kids

927
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Speaker 6: through what I'm going through right now, and a lot

928
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Speaker 6: of people do it.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I commend you. I don't even know how

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Speaker 4: you do that, because there's no way I would be

931
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Speaker 4: able to do that.

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Speaker 6: So if you're a single person and an entrepreneur, you

933
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Speaker 6: definitely have to surround yourself with strong people. And I

934
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Speaker 6: never really had the business people. You know, you know

935
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Speaker 6: how you want to find mentors and people who are

936
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Speaker 6: doing great business.

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Speaker 4: I never really had that.

938
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Speaker 6: I've been doing this kind of all on my own

939
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Speaker 6: the last thirteen years, and here and there, I'll get

940
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Speaker 6: plugged in with little people here and there.

941
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Speaker 4: But I think it's important to find.

942
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Speaker 6: Community to do something outside of your business, and find

943
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Speaker 6: community to people who are doing things bigger than you.

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Speaker 8: An illegal alien from Guatemala charged with raping a child

945
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Speaker 8: in Massachusetts. An MS thirteen gang member from l Salvador

946
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Speaker 8: accused of murdering a tech man of Venezuelan charged with

947
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Speaker 8: filming and selling child pornography in Michigan. These are just

948
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Speaker 8: some of the heinous migrant criminals caught because of President

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Speaker 8: Donald J. Trump's leadership. I'm Christy nom the United States

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Speaker 8: Secretary of Homeland Security. Under President Trump. Attempted illegal border

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Speaker 8: crossings are at the lowest levels ever recorded, and over

952
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Speaker 8: one hundred thousand illegal aliens have been arrested. If you

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Speaker 8: are here illegally, your next you will be fine nearly

954
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Speaker 8: one thousand dollars a day, imprisoned, and deported. You will

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Speaker 8: never return. But if you register using our CBP home

956
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Speaker 8: app and leave now, you could be allowed to return legally.

957
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Speaker 8: Do what's right, leave now. Under President Trump America's laws,

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Speaker 8: border and families will be protected.

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Speaker 7: Sponsored by the United States Department of Homeland Security,