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Speaker 1: Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is

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Speaker 1: a production of the NFL and iHeart podcasts.

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Speaker 2: We got lots just.

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Speaker 3: We got lost?

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Speaker 2: Just what Becker here?

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Speaker 1: And we hope you say because we got lost? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we got lost.

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Speaker 4: Just say, here's Bobby Sey.

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Speaker 3: What's happening everybody?

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Speaker 1: Vernon Davis coming up in just a little bit. I

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Speaker 1: will say that whenever you saw much foot, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: cast right now. I had any surgery, and Castle did

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Speaker 1: the most athlete thing ever. Comes up and looks in

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Speaker 1: and sees my toes and goes, he goes, you're doing okay,

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Speaker 1: you're doing okay.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I've had a foot injury before, and I know

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Speaker 5: that those things can get black and blue and swollen.

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Speaker 5: I just remember my toes being three times the size

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Speaker 5: they should. I was like, oh, they look all right.

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Speaker 5: They all gangering and like peeling. Mine was like peeling off.

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Speaker 5: How you feeling, by the way, what a gamer you are?

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Speaker 6: I'm good.

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Speaker 3: The pain medicine messes me up, Oh I'm sure.

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Speaker 1: So I only take it right before I go to bed,

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Speaker 1: which means I wake up and do the morning show

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Speaker 1: and I'm out of it. What feels like the first

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Speaker 1: half of the morning show. But then as the pain

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Speaker 1: starts to set back in, I get kind of my

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Speaker 1: bearings thinking and talking, but then the pain is setting in.

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Speaker 3: Yep. So it's very much a gift take. But I'm fine.

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Speaker 1: I just thought it was hilarious because everybody else who's

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Speaker 1: seeing I have a massive cast on my foot, they'd

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Speaker 1: been like, oh, how's it going?

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Speaker 3: And you walk in and go let me see your toes.

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Speaker 1: Let me see your toes, buddy, and you're like, ah,

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Speaker 1: but you're good, You're good, big boy head.

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Speaker 5: They look pretty good. It looks pretty good. So the

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Speaker 5: pain's been pretty substantial.

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Speaker 3: No, it's just constant. You just have no blood flow

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Speaker 3: down to that area. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I actually am very grateful that it doesn't hurt worse.

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Speaker 1: But it's like, you know, I have a toothache or

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Speaker 1: an earache, and it's not that it has to.

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Speaker 3: Be killing you. It just doesn't. Just doesn't. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you've had to actually play with injuries. Me I'm playing,

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Speaker 1: but I'm talking like, if you have a foot injury

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Speaker 1: or a hand injury, that's gotta be the worst as

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Speaker 3: Right, Oh, that's the worst.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I had two handed surgeries and one would

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Speaker 5: both of them put me on ir for a little bit.

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Speaker 5: Actually the first one did because I spiral fractured my

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Speaker 5: I don't know what pone this is, but I still

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Speaker 5: have screws in there.

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Speaker 3: You can kind of see him come up right there,

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So I get back in the huddle and my finger

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Speaker 5: is literally stuck behind my middle finger. So it was

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Speaker 5: on a third down, get tackled by Duomerville from Denver.

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Speaker 5: But I just landed funny and I got up and

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Speaker 5: my finger was stuck, and I was like, all right,

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Speaker 3: We're going to go for it. It's later in the game,

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Speaker 5: I get the ball and I can't move my index finger,

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Speaker 5: which is the most important finger on the ball, and

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Speaker 5: we run like these crossing routes. Thing he's going to

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Speaker 5: I don't get the first down. Everybody's yelling at me

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Speaker 5: So I get over the sideline. I get over the

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Speaker 5: He's like, well, where's it hurt. I was like right

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Speaker 5: I was like no, I wouldn't have got you over

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Speaker 5: go on and course spiral fracture. The other one was

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Speaker 5: I hit a helmet, dislocated my thumb. They had to

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Speaker 5: there for nine weeks. But that was at least before season.

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Speaker 5: It just you never got the full strength back because

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Speaker 1: I feel like that hitting the helmet when throwing for

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Speaker 1: because there's really not a lot you can do. It

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Speaker 5: It accidentally happens, and I've done it. I've had stitches

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Speaker 5: on three different knuckles. Here just from hitting a helmet.

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Speaker 5: Luckily I didn't break anything. But there's just one time

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Speaker 5: I throw the ball and just hit the top of

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Speaker 5: got that's not good, and you're kind of in shock

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Speaker 5: a little bit. And they said, do you want us

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Speaker 5: to pop in and I was like, no, not yet.

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Speaker 5: I want to go to the hospital, get some medicine

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Speaker 5: and numb it up. And so I went in and

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Speaker 5: tears out all the I don't know if it's cartilage, ligament,

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Speaker 5: to pin it and that was that was wonderful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it sucks.

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Speaker 5: It sucks, dude, And there's nothing worse than foot and

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Speaker 5: hand injuries because it just throbs.

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Speaker 1: That's what That's what I'm dealing with now, just constant throbbing.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any ice machine or anything that you

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Speaker 1: get to get to wrap that bad boy up? Then

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Speaker 5: Never heard of that before met me either. At least

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Speaker 5: your knee is not going to be swollen.

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Speaker 3: It's not. Everything else is wrapped up. It looks like

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Speaker 3: it is in a parka here. I feel like I'm good.

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Speaker 3: I'm just dealing with it.

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Speaker 1: I just thought I would be better by now, even

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Speaker 3: Be back on my feet by now. Really well. Expectation

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Speaker 1: The expectation was a doctor said, you'll spend about a

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Speaker 3: And I know we're four days in, but I'm usually

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Speaker 3: ahead of the curve. Yeah, because you're a healer.

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Speaker 1: So I just thought I just thought I would be there.

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Speaker 1: You're just you're you're ready to get back out there,

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Speaker 1: and you're not. I'm drinking a little drinking. I saw

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what is that?

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Speaker 1: But what I have to do is stay awake because

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Speaker 1: of the day, you're done for I'm done. I'm taking

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Speaker 1: pay medicine. Then I'm awake on pain medicine. So this

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Speaker 1: is some sort of espresso shot. It's like the most

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Speaker 1: European feminine coffee drink.

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Speaker 3: You can have. If it has caffeine in it, I'm in.

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Speaker 3: So this is what I'm having. It's like a cinnamon

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Speaker 5: That's not what I expected. I thought you meant like

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Speaker 5: it was an expresso shot. No, it's a cinnamon to.

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Speaker 1: Ye yeah, yeah, yeah, delerberry absolutely elderberry flour in it.

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Speaker 1: I've taken everything masculine out of it and tried to

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Speaker 3: And I don't.

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Speaker 6: I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't drink coffee like I've never I never even

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Speaker 3: Years, like five hours ago, when you made that It's tough.

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Speaker 3: I ordered this, I did you Yeah? Yeah, yeah. They

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Speaker 3: actually serve it in that cup.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in this little feminine cup, and I drink on

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Speaker 1: my pek yup, Yeah, you sure do.

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Speaker 3: What is what is your coffee drink in the morning.

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Speaker 3: I usually I am a.

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Speaker 5: Black coffee guy, and I'll put cayenne pepper in it

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Speaker 5: and a dab of salt.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, out of your mind.

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Speaker 1: Swear to God, that's like what you say if you

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Speaker 1: want to have the most masculine drink ever.

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Speaker 5: No, I do that because they say it helps with

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Speaker 5: blood circulations.

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Speaker 3: Well, so tell me about your drink again.

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Speaker 5: It's black coffee, black coffee, and then I put cayenne

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Speaker 5: pepper in it, a dab of cayenne pepper and a

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Speaker 5: little salt to kill the acidity, and then drink that

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Speaker 5: bad boy down and probably we'll have two of them.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't that seem like what you would say if you

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Speaker 3: Keven, absolutely, I never even heard of it. I thought

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Speaker 3: he was joking. You're welcome, You're welcome, you guys.

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Speaker 5: It was like all the benefits of cayenne pepper.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of it. It's all about blood cirp.

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Speaker 1: I believe you, Yes, I thought you were just no,

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Speaker 1: I'm being dead serious. There's a TikTok assaw yesterday with

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Speaker 1: we'll take two of your blackest coffees and she's like okay,

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Speaker 1: and they say this out loud and they hand her

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Speaker 1: a note and on the note it's like eleven things.

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Speaker 3: Squirt of a like please keep it quiet.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was pretty funny. The other day, I get

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Speaker 5: a text message from my brother in law. It's my

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Speaker 5: wife's brother, obviously brother in law, and he goes a

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Speaker 5: cast who do you think could throw better or spiral?

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Speaker 3: Bobby or me? And it was the most random text

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Speaker 3: he must have seen.

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Speaker 5: When we were going through the the video of us

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Speaker 5: going through our grips, and I was like, I've seen

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Speaker 5: you throw a football and there has not been one

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Speaker 5: point in all the years that we've gone out and

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Speaker 5: thrown the football because he used to catch routes for

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Speaker 5: me in the offseason, like I used to bring friends

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Speaker 5: out that I've ever seen you throw a consistent spiral.

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Speaker 5: So I'm gonna go with Bobby even though I haven't

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Speaker 5: seen him throw, and I've also seen his grip, which

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Speaker 5: looks like a pretty fair grip, So I'm gonna go

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Speaker 5: with Bobby. He's like, Dude, I've been in the backyard

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Speaker 5: ripping it with He's like, I've been in the backyard

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Speaker 5: ripping it. You wouldn't even believe what I've got going

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Speaker 5: on right now. And I started laughing. I go, dude, NERF,

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Speaker 5: footballs don't count. So I definitely I went with you

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Speaker 5: after the grip discussion.

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Speaker 3: For sure.

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Speaker 3: I got to do a better job.

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Speaker 5: and because we're all going to make mistakes, especially physical mistakes.

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Speaker 5: Mental mistakes were the things that I couldn't handle because

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Speaker 5: that's going to happen. Or if I'm going to miss

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Speaker 5: There was probably there's two things. If we had a

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Speaker 5: But sometimes these guys wouldn't be paying attention, or a

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Speaker 5: It's kind of like the Vikings game. They were at

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Speaker 1: I felt like justin Jefferson were to kill him. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it was not nine. It was not a good week

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Speaker 5: But when he inherited that team in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 5: his power to put this team in a position to

438
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Speaker 5: win and score points. And they took advantage of Jackson

439
00:17:40,936 --> 00:17:44,616
Speaker 5: Dart's athleticism and ability to run, and unfortunately he took

440
00:17:44,656 --> 00:17:47,176
Speaker 5: the wrong hit at the wrong time and it resulted

441
00:17:47,176 --> 00:17:48,815
Speaker 5: in a concussion took him out of the game and

442
00:17:48,856 --> 00:17:51,376
Speaker 5: really changed the momentum of that game. But I don't

443
00:17:51,376 --> 00:17:53,776
Speaker 5: put that on Dable because at any given point, any

444
00:17:53,776 --> 00:17:55,376
Speaker 5: player can get hurt, and we've seen it.

445
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Speaker 1: Do you feel like it was premature to fire him?

446
00:17:57,616 --> 00:18:01,336
Speaker 1: Would you have given him another year? I think that

447
00:18:01,376 --> 00:18:02,616
Speaker 1: you would have to play this season.

448
00:18:02,776 --> 00:18:04,775
Speaker 5: I would have let him play this season out to

449
00:18:04,816 --> 00:18:06,976
Speaker 5: be honest with you and see where you could take

450
00:18:07,016 --> 00:18:08,975
Speaker 5: this thing by the end of the year, because I

451
00:18:09,056 --> 00:18:12,456
Speaker 5: do think the offense look completely different with Jackson Dart

452
00:18:12,536 --> 00:18:15,735
Speaker 5: on the field, even minus those injuries. To keep players

453
00:18:15,776 --> 00:18:19,936
Speaker 5: on the offensive side. But I mean with ownership there.

454
00:18:20,136 --> 00:18:22,896
Speaker 5: And the other part is the GM didn't get fired right, right,

455
00:18:23,136 --> 00:18:25,936
Speaker 5: the GM doesn't get fired, he gets to stay, and

456
00:18:26,856 --> 00:18:29,616
Speaker 5: so it's just an interesting dynamic that they're going to

457
00:18:29,656 --> 00:18:31,295
Speaker 5: keep him, and because he's the one a hired day

458
00:18:31,296 --> 00:18:32,936
Speaker 5: ball normally that goes hand in hand.

459
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Speaker 3: You're getting rid of both those guys.

460
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Speaker 5: You're going to start a whole new regime, change basically

461
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Speaker 5: the GM head coach and start over. So it'll be

462
00:18:39,495 --> 00:18:40,735
Speaker 5: interesting to see what they do there.

463
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Speaker 1: I looked up the odds to see who the next

464
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Speaker 1: head coach would be for the Giants. The leader right

465
00:18:45,616 --> 00:18:50,816
Speaker 1: now is Mike McCarthy, and I think McCarthy brings you stability. Yep,

466
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Speaker 1: not a super high ceiling. I think I would say

467
00:18:55,975 --> 00:18:58,216
Speaker 1: a three quarter ceiling. I think you can I think

468
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Speaker 1: you can win. He won with the Cowboys, right, he

469
00:19:01,495 --> 00:19:03,696
Speaker 1: obviously won with the Packers. Yes, he's one of the

470
00:19:03,776 --> 00:19:05,775
Speaker 1: names being mentioned for the Titans job because you just

471
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Speaker 1: got to have some sort of stability. But what's tough

472
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Speaker 1: is to have a stable head coach, but the instability

473
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Speaker 1: of the organization.

474
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Speaker 5: Right, and there is instability. But I'd say this, when

475
00:19:17,176 --> 00:19:18,815
Speaker 5: you look at the defensive side the ball, that's the

476
00:19:18,856 --> 00:19:20,615
Speaker 5: part that is a little bit frustrating for me when

477
00:19:20,656 --> 00:19:23,455
Speaker 5: you look at the Giants because they have what three

478
00:19:23,495 --> 00:19:27,576
Speaker 5: first rounders on that defensive line between Burns, Thibodeau and

479
00:19:27,936 --> 00:19:30,656
Speaker 5: Abdulla Carter from this year, and they've got dudes all

480
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Speaker 5: over that defense, but they're not getting it done on

481
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Speaker 5: that side of the ball. Because I think that if

482
00:19:34,416 --> 00:19:36,616
Speaker 5: they stood up and made a few stops on any

483
00:19:36,776 --> 00:19:41,536
Speaker 5: part of these games, their record would be major difference

484
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Speaker 5: in terms of wins versus losses, and that might have

485
00:19:44,416 --> 00:19:48,296
Speaker 5: saved Dave Ball's job. So But in terms of Mike McCarthy,

486
00:19:48,336 --> 00:19:50,376
Speaker 5: I like the fact that he's offensive minded. I like

487
00:19:50,455 --> 00:19:52,376
Speaker 5: the fact that he's won every place that he's been,

488
00:19:52,735 --> 00:19:56,256
Speaker 5: and he does bring some stability and he's got respect

489
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Speaker 5: of most people that are in the league.

490
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Speaker 1: I feel like you could be the most stable coach,

491
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Speaker 1: but if you're in an instable environment, there's only so

492
00:20:02,975 --> 00:20:04,536
Speaker 1: much good you can do. There's a reason the Giants

493
00:20:04,576 --> 00:20:07,015
Speaker 1: haven't won one hundred years. There's a reason the Jets

494
00:20:07,016 --> 00:20:08,735
Speaker 1: haven't won in one hundred years. There's the reason the

495
00:20:08,816 --> 00:20:11,055
Speaker 1: Raiders haven't won in one hundred years. And it's not

496
00:20:11,176 --> 00:20:13,656
Speaker 1: the coach, right, because I think Davel's a good coach.

497
00:20:13,696 --> 00:20:15,775
Speaker 1: I think he'll go somewhere and win. He may go

498
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Speaker 1: be oc for a couple of years somewhere else. But

499
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Speaker 1: I don't think this hurts him as a coach to

500
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Speaker 1: be fired from the Giants. If anything, I think it

501
00:20:22,975 --> 00:20:25,176
Speaker 1: gives him a shot to go be successful somewhere else,

502
00:20:25,455 --> 00:20:28,416
Speaker 1: somewhere where the organization has a bit more stability.

503
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Speaker 5: Right, And I don't think that the Giants organization is

504
00:20:30,896 --> 00:20:32,336
Speaker 5: a place you can go out and get a young

505
00:20:32,376 --> 00:20:35,815
Speaker 5: coach that a first time head coach because of the

506
00:20:35,936 --> 00:20:38,656
Speaker 5: nature of that media market and if you don't have

507
00:20:38,696 --> 00:20:40,936
Speaker 5: success right away, they're going to eat you alive. And

508
00:20:40,975 --> 00:20:43,696
Speaker 5: you have to be so mentally tough to be able

509
00:20:43,696 --> 00:20:45,896
Speaker 5: to handle that. At the same time, like you said,

510
00:20:46,215 --> 00:20:51,096
Speaker 5: instability within the organization itself and the lack of winning consistently,

511
00:20:51,455 --> 00:20:54,055
Speaker 5: that's a tough organization to go to if you're a

512
00:20:54,056 --> 00:20:54,975
Speaker 5: first time head coach.

513
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Speaker 3: CLAINK.

514
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Speaker 1: Kubiak second, Yep, Spags third. There's two more on the

515
00:21:00,176 --> 00:21:02,775
Speaker 1: list in the top ten Robert Sala which, by the way,

516
00:21:02,776 --> 00:21:04,176
Speaker 1: if I'm solid, I do not want to go back

517
00:21:04,656 --> 00:21:05,975
Speaker 1: any reason.

518
00:21:06,096 --> 00:21:08,816
Speaker 5: I hate everybody in the media there, right, Yeah, he's like, dude,

519
00:21:08,856 --> 00:21:09,775
Speaker 5: you guys killed me.

520
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Speaker 1: And also, like both of those New York teams, there's

521
00:21:12,376 --> 00:21:16,496
Speaker 1: a reason they don't win because the owners are too medley. Right,

522
00:21:18,495 --> 00:21:20,296
Speaker 1: We shouldn't know who the owners are unless you're a

523
00:21:20,376 --> 00:21:20,976
Speaker 1: diehard fan.

524
00:21:21,296 --> 00:21:23,975
Speaker 5: Die hard, and they're in the mix every time, and

525
00:21:24,056 --> 00:21:25,896
Speaker 5: they because they make headlines for the wrong reason.

526
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Speaker 1: Yes, they wanted to fire day Ball like before they

527
00:21:28,735 --> 00:21:30,495
Speaker 1: even came back, do you guys see that? And they

528
00:21:30,536 --> 00:21:32,376
Speaker 1: talked him out of it on the plane like from Denver.

529
00:21:32,455 --> 00:21:33,775
Speaker 1: Maybe they played Denver the week before.

530
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Denver was a few weeks ago. Yeah, whenever that

531
00:21:37,056 --> 00:21:37,376
Speaker 3: game was.

532
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Speaker 1: They wanted to fire him after that game on the

533
00:21:39,096 --> 00:21:41,455
Speaker 1: plane before they even came back, and they talked the

534
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Speaker 1: owner out of it.

535
00:21:42,656 --> 00:21:43,975
Speaker 3: They did play at Denver, but I was like that

536
00:21:44,096 --> 00:21:46,055
Speaker 3: four weeks ago, and that's when they wanted to fire him.

537
00:21:46,056 --> 00:21:48,016
Speaker 3: The first time they blew that big game. Yeah, that's

538
00:21:48,016 --> 00:21:50,336
Speaker 3: when they wanted to fire him. Lane Kiffin also makes

539
00:21:50,336 --> 00:21:50,656
Speaker 3: the list.

540
00:21:50,735 --> 00:21:53,735
Speaker 1: But Lane's up for every job in HR, every college coach,

541
00:21:53,816 --> 00:21:54,896
Speaker 1: every college.

542
00:21:54,495 --> 00:21:57,416
Speaker 5: Coach, anybody that needs a coach or anything like that. Yeah,

543
00:21:57,536 --> 00:21:59,856
Speaker 5: they want Lanekiff. And I understand the connection to with

544
00:21:59,936 --> 00:22:01,775
Speaker 5: Jackson Dart. He just had them in college and it

545
00:22:01,896 --> 00:22:04,256
Speaker 5: was this coach and had a lot of success. So

546
00:22:04,776 --> 00:22:08,056
Speaker 5: I get. But I don't think he blames wants any

547
00:22:08,096 --> 00:22:08,455
Speaker 5: part of that.

548
00:22:08,495 --> 00:22:09,055
Speaker 3: I don't mean that.

549
00:22:24,296 --> 00:22:27,255
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow returns to practice. Saw the video, Yes, it

550
00:22:27,455 --> 00:22:35,176
Speaker 1: was so lack of sensation. I thought it was a joke. Yeah,

551
00:22:35,215 --> 00:22:36,576
Speaker 1: look at Joe, He's standing on the field.

552
00:22:36,616 --> 00:22:39,216
Speaker 3: Well he walks through and he just like slowly walks through,

553
00:22:39,256 --> 00:22:39,736
Speaker 3: his head down.

554
00:22:40,176 --> 00:22:42,576
Speaker 1: I was surprised they even posted on social media because

555
00:22:42,576 --> 00:22:44,095
Speaker 1: there was so nothing about it.

556
00:22:44,136 --> 00:22:45,296
Speaker 3: They're just building excitement.

557
00:22:45,296 --> 00:22:47,735
Speaker 1: It was just him walking like into the facility with

558
00:22:47,735 --> 00:22:50,696
Speaker 1: his helmet in his hand, with his head down. So

559
00:22:50,816 --> 00:22:52,495
Speaker 1: the team opened him up the twenty one day window

560
00:22:52,536 --> 00:22:55,216
Speaker 1: to return from ir The question is can the Bengals

561
00:22:55,215 --> 00:22:57,416
Speaker 1: get back in it now? They're three and six, they're

562
00:22:57,455 --> 00:23:00,535
Speaker 1: third in the AFC North. He hopes to return on

563
00:23:00,576 --> 00:23:03,896
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving against the Ravens, which could be a big game.

564
00:23:03,975 --> 00:23:05,936
Speaker 1: The Ravens are by far the fai to win that

565
00:23:05,975 --> 00:23:07,816
Speaker 1: division right now, Isn't that crazy?

566
00:23:08,215 --> 00:23:08,495
Speaker 3: Yeah?

567
00:23:08,616 --> 00:23:12,256
Speaker 1: I mean they were the favorite the last week that

568
00:23:12,616 --> 00:23:15,416
Speaker 1: Lamar didn't play. They were still the favorite because he

569
00:23:15,495 --> 00:23:17,495
Speaker 1: was coming back the next week, right like, They've been

570
00:23:17,536 --> 00:23:19,015
Speaker 1: the favorite that division the whole time, even though the

571
00:23:19,056 --> 00:23:21,455
Speaker 1: Steelers have been ahead of them. The Bengals are playing

572
00:23:21,455 --> 00:23:25,256
Speaker 1: the Steelers, Patriots, the Ravens, and that Ravens game will

573
00:23:25,296 --> 00:23:27,495
Speaker 1: be the game that possibly he comes back. So I

574
00:23:27,536 --> 00:23:29,616
Speaker 1: think if they win one of the two, there's a

575
00:23:29,656 --> 00:23:30,975
Speaker 1: good shot he comes back, right.

576
00:23:31,056 --> 00:23:33,455
Speaker 5: Yes, I think if he can play. I do believe

577
00:23:33,495 --> 00:23:34,735
Speaker 5: he does come back this season.

578
00:23:34,816 --> 00:23:36,975
Speaker 1: But if it's over, would you even rush him back?

579
00:23:37,016 --> 00:23:39,776
Speaker 1: Like Jayden Daniels, I wouldn't bring him back as yah.

580
00:23:39,776 --> 00:23:41,656
Speaker 5: If he's one hundred percent and he can run around

581
00:23:41,696 --> 00:23:44,936
Speaker 5: and be himself, then I'd say, yes, you're the franchise quarterback.

582
00:23:45,215 --> 00:23:47,376
Speaker 5: You've worked your way back in the lineup one hundred percent.

583
00:23:47,416 --> 00:23:50,376
Speaker 5: Get out there and play. But I mean it's gonna

584
00:23:50,376 --> 00:23:52,136
Speaker 5: be tough because the Ravens are one game back from

585
00:23:52,136 --> 00:23:55,096
Speaker 5: the Steelers, and they've got the Browns, the Jets, and

586
00:23:55,136 --> 00:23:57,776
Speaker 5: the Bengals coming up. I mean, those are three winnable

587
00:23:57,816 --> 00:24:00,095
Speaker 5: games and they could easily be in first place at

588
00:24:00,096 --> 00:24:02,096
Speaker 5: that point, and I don't think there's any looking back

589
00:24:02,136 --> 00:24:03,215
Speaker 5: as long as they're healthy.

590
00:24:03,696 --> 00:24:06,856
Speaker 1: So let's say I'm just gonna throw this out. Let's

591
00:24:06,856 --> 00:24:09,336
Speaker 1: say they beat the Steelers, they lose to the Patriots.

592
00:24:09,656 --> 00:24:12,656
Speaker 1: That puts them at four and seven playing the Ravens.

593
00:24:12,735 --> 00:24:15,056
Speaker 1: So Joe Burrow's back at four and seven, Let's just

594
00:24:15,096 --> 00:24:16,776
Speaker 1: say they win because he's back. They're five and seven,

595
00:24:16,776 --> 00:24:18,576
Speaker 1: they're playing the Bills. They probably lose that. They're five

596
00:24:18,576 --> 00:24:20,575
Speaker 1: and eight, they're playing the Ravens again. Let's give him

597
00:24:20,576 --> 00:24:22,815
Speaker 1: another win six and eight. The Dolphins don't win that

598
00:24:22,936 --> 00:24:24,896
Speaker 1: seven and eight, The Cardinals don't win that eight and eight,

599
00:24:24,936 --> 00:24:28,176
Speaker 1: Browns nine and eight. It's like last year they had

600
00:24:28,215 --> 00:24:31,776
Speaker 1: to win every game. So there is a shot. Did

601
00:24:31,776 --> 00:24:36,616
Speaker 1: they make the playoffs if the Joe Flacco Bengals can

602
00:24:36,656 --> 00:24:41,016
Speaker 1: beat the Steelers, which he's already proven he can do. Yeah,

603
00:24:41,056 --> 00:24:42,376
Speaker 1: they have to go to Pittsburgh this time though.

604
00:24:42,495 --> 00:24:45,855
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, But I mean after watching the Steelers are good,

605
00:24:45,856 --> 00:24:47,775
Speaker 5: they're not good. After watching the Steelers against the Chargers

606
00:24:47,816 --> 00:24:50,775
Speaker 5: this week, I mean, I was like, man, this doesn't

607
00:24:50,776 --> 00:24:51,216
Speaker 5: look good.

608
00:24:51,536 --> 00:24:53,255
Speaker 1: I mean, are we thinking the Bengals can do it?

609
00:24:53,376 --> 00:24:55,176
Speaker 1: Are we thinking the Bengals can hop back in this thing?

610
00:24:55,296 --> 00:24:56,215
Speaker 3: Come on, let's go.

611
00:24:56,616 --> 00:24:58,496
Speaker 1: But last year was fun. They did not hop back

612
00:24:58,495 --> 00:25:01,416
Speaker 1: in the They did win, but it wasn't enough. And

613
00:25:01,455 --> 00:25:02,936
Speaker 1: I think they went nine to eight last year. I'm

614
00:25:02,936 --> 00:25:04,616
Speaker 1: going from memory. I think they ended up going nine

615
00:25:04,616 --> 00:25:05,896
Speaker 1: to eight, winning all those games at the end, but

616
00:25:05,936 --> 00:25:06,616
Speaker 1: they did not get.

617
00:25:06,455 --> 00:25:09,296
Speaker 3: In the playoffs. But Joe Burley got to stay healthy.

618
00:25:09,296 --> 00:25:10,176
Speaker 3: Is that right? Nine and eight?

619
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Speaker 6: Yeah?

620
00:25:10,735 --> 00:25:12,616
Speaker 3: Nine and eight? All right? What he got? Their second

621
00:25:12,656 --> 00:25:13,296
Speaker 3: topic for us?

622
00:25:13,376 --> 00:25:15,215
Speaker 5: I watched this Lions game last week and I'll tell you,

623
00:25:15,296 --> 00:25:19,176
Speaker 5: Dan Campbell calling plays, I'm into it because what did

624
00:25:19,215 --> 00:25:20,696
Speaker 5: he say that they have to do? They have to

625
00:25:20,696 --> 00:25:24,256
Speaker 5: get Gibbs involved Moore, they did, Jamison Williams got him

626
00:25:24,296 --> 00:25:26,696
Speaker 5: involved more, and the offense just look like they were

627
00:25:26,735 --> 00:25:28,616
Speaker 5: on a roll, completely in sync. And I know that

628
00:25:28,616 --> 00:25:31,215
Speaker 5: they were going up against the Commanders whose defense has

629
00:25:31,256 --> 00:25:32,815
Speaker 5: had the struggles and this, that and the other. But

630
00:25:33,256 --> 00:25:35,536
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, that offense and how

631
00:25:35,536 --> 00:25:39,336
Speaker 5: it operated looked like the offensive old So I'm pretty

632
00:25:39,336 --> 00:25:42,376
Speaker 5: stoked about Campbell coming back in taking over play calling

633
00:25:42,455 --> 00:25:44,376
Speaker 5: responsibility because I think it's going to make them better

634
00:25:44,376 --> 00:25:44,975
Speaker 5: down the line.

635
00:25:46,096 --> 00:25:47,816
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the odds to win the Super Bowl.

636
00:25:47,816 --> 00:25:50,056
Speaker 1: The Lions are a plus seven to fifty in third place.

637
00:25:50,696 --> 00:25:52,696
Speaker 1: So right now, if you're betting, the Lions are the

638
00:25:52,816 --> 00:25:56,575
Speaker 1: third favorite to win the Super Bowl. Yep, Okay, who

639
00:25:56,616 --> 00:25:59,056
Speaker 1: do you think number one is right now to win

640
00:25:59,136 --> 00:25:59,856
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl?

641
00:26:00,296 --> 00:26:03,176
Speaker 3: The betting favorite? Right now, I'm going to go with

642
00:26:03,256 --> 00:26:06,696
Speaker 3: the La Rams selection. They are at number two.

643
00:26:06,816 --> 00:26:10,136
Speaker 1: They're a number two Seattle Seahawks and number five, So

644
00:26:10,136 --> 00:26:12,576
Speaker 1: what's crazy? And I'll walk you back. First of all,

645
00:26:12,975 --> 00:26:16,976
Speaker 1: both of you guys's team, the Patriots tenth, no.

646
00:26:17,016 --> 00:26:20,575
Speaker 3: Respect, Patriots are tenth. I love it, dude. Just keep

647
00:26:20,616 --> 00:26:22,376
Speaker 3: it going. That fire man.

648
00:26:22,455 --> 00:26:24,416
Speaker 5: You go on the road and you beat the Bucks

649
00:26:24,495 --> 00:26:26,896
Speaker 5: on on the road. I mean that was a huge

650
00:26:26,936 --> 00:26:29,416
Speaker 5: win for that team and the legitimacy and also the

651
00:26:29,495 --> 00:26:30,616
Speaker 5: narrative around that team.

652
00:26:30,656 --> 00:26:33,856
Speaker 1: Okay, keep going so or we can say fifth in

653
00:26:33,896 --> 00:26:35,616
Speaker 1: the AFC, whatever you want to do. But they're tenth

654
00:26:35,735 --> 00:26:38,096
Speaker 1: right now, Okay. I do feel like, as a non

655
00:26:38,136 --> 00:26:40,535
Speaker 1: biased person, that seems to be a little low. I

656
00:26:40,536 --> 00:26:43,096
Speaker 1: think they should be up a bit at nine. The Packers.

657
00:26:43,256 --> 00:26:45,136
Speaker 1: I got to tell you something. You're gonna have to

658
00:26:45,176 --> 00:26:47,936
Speaker 1: reconvince me that the Packers are good. Yes, what a

659
00:26:48,096 --> 00:26:50,856
Speaker 1: terrible game. That was terrible And I'm only watching on

660
00:26:50,896 --> 00:26:52,656
Speaker 1: my app because I have YouTube TV, so I can't

661
00:26:52,656 --> 00:26:54,616
Speaker 1: even watch it because they've taken all the channels off. Yeah,

662
00:26:54,776 --> 00:26:57,735
Speaker 1: and you think it was boring to watch the actual

663
00:26:57,776 --> 00:27:00,296
Speaker 1: players play, imagine watching just like the cartoon characters.

664
00:27:02,016 --> 00:27:05,215
Speaker 3: It was the most it was worth that.

665
00:27:05,416 --> 00:27:07,056
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm trying to watch my fantasy players

666
00:27:07,096 --> 00:27:09,136
Speaker 1: because I had Jalen Hurts and I needed like twelve

667
00:27:09,176 --> 00:27:12,096
Speaker 1: points and like, luckily he got me the point that

668
00:27:12,176 --> 00:27:13,215
Speaker 1: actually won my game.

669
00:27:13,616 --> 00:27:16,535
Speaker 3: But it was a terrible game to watch. Well, unless

670
00:27:16,536 --> 00:27:19,176
Speaker 3: you're defensive minded, I mean, unless you all you like

671
00:27:19,376 --> 00:27:24,095
Speaker 3: to watch is defense dominate because both those defenses were incredible,

672
00:27:24,416 --> 00:27:28,016
Speaker 3: and the offenses were not going out there and being

673
00:27:28,016 --> 00:27:31,096
Speaker 3: productive in any sense of the word. Now, they got

674
00:27:31,136 --> 00:27:32,735
Speaker 3: a few plays here and there, but that's all it

675
00:27:32,735 --> 00:27:35,936
Speaker 3: took in this game because it was low scoring, defensive dominated,

676
00:27:36,416 --> 00:27:38,776
Speaker 3: and I mean neither one of these offense came out

677
00:27:38,776 --> 00:27:41,816
Speaker 3: with any firepower whatsoever. Yeah, the Packers got to reconvince me.

678
00:27:42,176 --> 00:27:44,096
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think I was big on the Packers,

679
00:27:44,296 --> 00:27:45,816
Speaker 1: but I think maybe I was just listening to people

680
00:27:45,816 --> 00:27:47,455
Speaker 1: that I feel like are smarter than me. Right, and

681
00:27:47,495 --> 00:27:52,176
Speaker 1: now after watching them, well, I think the Craft being

682
00:27:52,215 --> 00:27:52,976
Speaker 1: hurt sucked as well.

683
00:27:53,056 --> 00:27:55,735
Speaker 5: I think the misperception too. Craft was hurt, and so

684
00:27:56,096 --> 00:27:59,975
Speaker 5: was there was another other Matthews, I think Golden Matthew

685
00:27:59,975 --> 00:28:03,136
Speaker 5: Golden was also hurt. So I get that, but I

686
00:28:03,176 --> 00:28:06,896
Speaker 5: think the perception was after why watching them dominate the

687
00:28:06,975 --> 00:28:10,616
Speaker 5: Lions first game of the year, getting Parsons all the

688
00:28:10,656 --> 00:28:13,495
Speaker 5: firepower that they have, that this was a team that

689
00:28:13,616 --> 00:28:16,296
Speaker 5: was super Bowl bound, and then as the season has

690
00:28:16,616 --> 00:28:20,616
Speaker 5: continued to go along, you start to realize, well, they've

691
00:28:20,735 --> 00:28:23,856
Speaker 5: got some issues, particularly on the offensive side of the ball.

692
00:28:23,896 --> 00:28:26,136
Speaker 5: And Jordan Love I think he's a really good quarterback,

693
00:28:26,455 --> 00:28:29,096
Speaker 5: but I don't think he's at the upper echelon of

694
00:28:29,096 --> 00:28:30,416
Speaker 5: the quarterback position right now.

695
00:28:30,616 --> 00:28:31,456
Speaker 3: The Ravens at eight.

696
00:28:32,416 --> 00:28:34,616
Speaker 1: They're getting a lot of credit for what they're probably

697
00:28:34,656 --> 00:28:37,616
Speaker 1: going to do right, more so than what they have done. Again, yep,

698
00:28:37,735 --> 00:28:40,656
Speaker 1: they have a top three quarterback and he missed. He

699
00:28:40,736 --> 00:28:43,656
Speaker 1: has missed most of the season for sure. The Bills

700
00:28:43,696 --> 00:28:46,176
Speaker 1: at seven, Hey, not a good look. I think I'm

701
00:28:46,176 --> 00:28:47,256
Speaker 1: a little concerned about the Bills.

702
00:28:47,296 --> 00:28:48,896
Speaker 3: They laid an egg. They laid egg.

703
00:28:48,936 --> 00:28:50,816
Speaker 5: Now. I know they're what with the top rushing team

704
00:28:51,176 --> 00:28:54,656
Speaker 5: in the NFL, James Cook, But my concern with that

705
00:28:54,656 --> 00:28:57,016
Speaker 5: team is the wide receiver and the weapons that they

706
00:28:57,016 --> 00:28:59,176
Speaker 5: have on the outside, because at some point they're going

707
00:28:59,216 --> 00:29:01,016
Speaker 5: to load the box and those guys are going to

708
00:29:01,016 --> 00:29:02,896
Speaker 5: go have to win one on one opportunities. And when

709
00:29:02,896 --> 00:29:06,575
Speaker 5: you watch that Dolphins game, there was nobody open and

710
00:29:06,656 --> 00:29:08,456
Speaker 5: Josh Allen can't do it all by himself.

711
00:29:09,816 --> 00:29:11,456
Speaker 3: He's had to do it by himself in one before

712
00:29:11,456 --> 00:29:12,296
Speaker 3: he expected.

713
00:29:12,336 --> 00:29:15,256
Speaker 5: You can, yeah, and you expected, but it really a

714
00:29:15,256 --> 00:29:16,896
Speaker 5: lot of red flags popped up in that game.

715
00:29:17,216 --> 00:29:20,736
Speaker 1: Colts at six. I was glad to see them one again. Yep,

716
00:29:20,816 --> 00:29:24,736
Speaker 1: I'm in I want small market teams to matter, Yes,

717
00:29:25,296 --> 00:29:29,136
Speaker 1: and I like, this isn't like baseball though, no, sor,

718
00:29:30,456 --> 00:29:33,216
Speaker 1: I hear you, and you know what, let's let's let's

719
00:29:33,216 --> 00:29:33,896
Speaker 1: pour one out.

720
00:29:34,176 --> 00:29:35,056
Speaker 3: Let's pour one out.

721
00:29:35,456 --> 00:29:35,696
Speaker 2: Yeah.

722
00:29:35,776 --> 00:29:36,816
Speaker 3: You know their owner died.

723
00:29:37,096 --> 00:29:39,936
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, okay, we'll go small market team, small market

724
00:29:39,936 --> 00:29:40,896
Speaker 5: team with a dead owner.

725
00:29:41,176 --> 00:29:43,856
Speaker 3: I'm all for it. And then also like I'm rooting

726
00:29:43,856 --> 00:29:47,376
Speaker 3: for Daniel Jones. Yeah, like he's been ruining for Daniel Jones. Yeah,

727
00:29:47,376 --> 00:29:48,416
Speaker 3: I'm rooting for Daniel Jones.

728
00:29:48,576 --> 00:29:54,016
Speaker 1: The Seahawks at five, the Eagles at four four four, yeah,

729
00:29:54,096 --> 00:29:56,536
Speaker 1: the Lions at three, the Rams at two, and the

730
00:29:56,696 --> 00:29:59,536
Speaker 1: number one team with the best dodds meaning you're gonna

731
00:29:59,576 --> 00:30:01,176
Speaker 1: make the least amount of money, does shave it?

732
00:30:01,376 --> 00:30:04,016
Speaker 3: Chiefs the Chiefs, And they're not even in small market team.

733
00:30:04,016 --> 00:30:06,176
Speaker 1: They're not even the playoffs right now. If the season

734
00:30:06,176 --> 00:30:08,736
Speaker 1: into right now, they would not make the playoffs. That's amazing.

735
00:30:09,296 --> 00:30:12,496
Speaker 1: But they're still I mean, they have a tough schedule.

736
00:30:12,616 --> 00:30:14,536
Speaker 1: Yet they do have a really tough schedule.

737
00:30:14,616 --> 00:30:14,816
Speaker 3: Kevin.

738
00:30:15,416 --> 00:30:18,056
Speaker 1: So right now, here's the AFC playoff picture if it

739
00:30:18,096 --> 00:30:20,696
Speaker 1: were to end today, Colts at one, they get to

740
00:30:20,696 --> 00:30:21,416
Speaker 1: buy well.

741
00:30:21,456 --> 00:30:25,696
Speaker 3: The Chiefs also been holding holding plays back, that's true. Yeah,

742
00:30:25,776 --> 00:30:26,576
Speaker 3: So according to.

743
00:30:28,576 --> 00:30:31,176
Speaker 1: The Broncos at two, I think that's a fraudulent two.

744
00:30:31,776 --> 00:30:34,656
Speaker 1: The Broncos are at two, yeah, because they're eight and two.

745
00:30:34,856 --> 00:30:36,616
Speaker 1: I know they're eight and two, but have you watched

746
00:30:36,616 --> 00:30:37,016
Speaker 1: their games?

747
00:30:37,056 --> 00:30:39,136
Speaker 3: That's what I say. It's a fraudile two at some point.

748
00:30:39,256 --> 00:30:42,216
Speaker 3: But arter your record says you are you are.

749
00:30:42,936 --> 00:30:44,815
Speaker 5: I mean to get into playoffs, I feel like, but

750
00:30:44,896 --> 00:30:47,496
Speaker 5: to win those games consistently in the playoffs against the

751
00:30:47,576 --> 00:30:50,136
Speaker 5: best teams, that that's a.

752
00:30:50,136 --> 00:30:52,456
Speaker 3: Tough Sleedton for me to believe that they're two. Give

753
00:30:52,496 --> 00:30:55,336
Speaker 3: me your Kansas City Chiefs over there. We got the

754
00:30:55,336 --> 00:30:59,176
Speaker 3: Broncos next, at the Broncos this week, okay, then the Colts,

755
00:30:59,416 --> 00:31:03,616
Speaker 3: yep at Dallas three versus Houston. They're peeling a four

756
00:31:03,616 --> 00:31:05,416
Speaker 3: in a row right now, go ahead, Okay, Then the

757
00:31:05,496 --> 00:31:08,336
Speaker 3: Chargers they owe them one. They're peeling off five in

758
00:31:08,336 --> 00:31:10,256
Speaker 3: a row, and this is the for sure win at

759
00:31:10,376 --> 00:31:13,456
Speaker 3: Tennessee six in a row. Then the Bronco goes again

760
00:31:13,576 --> 00:31:16,976
Speaker 3: seven in a row. Let's end the season at Vegas. Okay.

761
00:31:17,056 --> 00:31:19,656
Speaker 1: The Chiefs may not so maybe maybe they're through the

762
00:31:19,696 --> 00:31:22,896
Speaker 1: hardest part of their schedule. Maybe, Yeah, they may not.

763
00:31:23,016 --> 00:31:26,376
Speaker 1: Lose again this year. Okay, yeah, and look the Chargers again.

764
00:31:26,416 --> 00:31:28,296
Speaker 1: That's a tough one. They've already lost the Chargers once,

765
00:31:28,416 --> 00:31:29,056
Speaker 1: Yes they did.

766
00:31:29,136 --> 00:31:29,736
Speaker 3: They owe them one.

767
00:31:29,896 --> 00:31:31,776
Speaker 1: The Patriots will be the three, the Steelers will be

768
00:31:31,776 --> 00:31:34,776
Speaker 1: the four, Chargers five, Buffalo six, and the Jaguars will

769
00:31:34,816 --> 00:31:37,056
Speaker 1: be seven. The Jaguars did beat the Chiefs when they

770
00:31:37,056 --> 00:31:38,136
Speaker 1: played that one time earlier this.

771
00:31:38,176 --> 00:31:40,815
Speaker 5: Year, yes they did, but they've had some injuries, especially

772
00:31:40,856 --> 00:31:41,575
Speaker 5: on that offensive line.

773
00:31:41,576 --> 00:31:43,936
Speaker 1: They lost both of their tackles, which is gonna make

774
00:31:43,976 --> 00:31:47,656
Speaker 1: and Herbert gets hit a lot. It's crazy to me.

775
00:31:47,736 --> 00:31:49,536
Speaker 1: The Chiefs are the betting favorite and right now they

776
00:31:49,536 --> 00:31:50,856
Speaker 1: wouldn't even make the playoffs.

777
00:31:50,936 --> 00:31:52,136
Speaker 3: I've never seen them like that before.

778
00:31:52,176 --> 00:31:54,056
Speaker 5: I think they just went through the schedule just like

779
00:31:54,096 --> 00:31:56,936
Speaker 5: we did and said, yep, yep, yep.

780
00:31:57,376 --> 00:32:00,216
Speaker 3: Got it? What else you got? You have another one

781
00:32:00,216 --> 00:32:00,536
Speaker 3: over there.

782
00:32:00,616 --> 00:32:03,616
Speaker 5: Dronk signs on one day contract. I guess it would

783
00:32:03,616 --> 00:32:06,096
Speaker 5: be to retire with the Patriots. And when you look

784
00:32:06,136 --> 00:32:10,416
Speaker 5: at the tight end position all time greats, I think

785
00:32:10,776 --> 00:32:12,576
Speaker 5: he is the best of all time.

786
00:32:12,896 --> 00:32:17,776
Speaker 1: I think he's definitely the hardest player to guard, the

787
00:32:17,816 --> 00:32:19,256
Speaker 1: hardest player to line up against.

788
00:32:19,456 --> 00:32:21,456
Speaker 3: I don't think he's statistically the best, he's not.

789
00:32:21,616 --> 00:32:25,016
Speaker 5: I mean, you've got guys like Gates and Tony Gonzalez,

790
00:32:25,136 --> 00:32:27,216
Speaker 5: Jason Witten, guys like that that have been around. Travis

791
00:32:27,256 --> 00:32:29,335
Speaker 5: Kelsey's going to be up there in terms of statistics.

792
00:32:29,336 --> 00:32:31,776
Speaker 5: But when you look at the definition of what a

793
00:32:31,816 --> 00:32:36,936
Speaker 5: tight end is, I agree between blocking, running routes, big body.

794
00:32:37,176 --> 00:32:40,815
Speaker 5: Nobody can cover you because you're just a freak of nature, unguardable.

795
00:32:41,016 --> 00:32:43,056
Speaker 5: He was unguardable, and you could put him outside of

796
00:32:43,056 --> 00:32:45,496
Speaker 5: a dB it's a mismatch. You bring him inside, put

797
00:32:45,536 --> 00:32:48,456
Speaker 5: him on a linebacker or safety, same thing. But then

798
00:32:48,536 --> 00:32:51,855
Speaker 5: the other part is they would run behind him like

799
00:32:51,976 --> 00:32:55,136
Speaker 5: he was a dominant blocker. I don't think you've seen

800
00:32:55,536 --> 00:32:57,776
Speaker 5: the likes of somebody that can do it both in

801
00:32:57,816 --> 00:33:00,616
Speaker 5: the past game and on the line of scrimmage in

802
00:33:00,656 --> 00:33:02,936
Speaker 5: the run game in terms of blocking like Ronk did.

803
00:33:02,976 --> 00:33:06,336
Speaker 5: I just think he's just a there as the best

804
00:33:06,336 --> 00:33:07,176
Speaker 5: tight end to ever play.

805
00:33:07,256 --> 00:33:09,216
Speaker 1: I think he's the best to ever play as well,

806
00:33:09,536 --> 00:33:11,776
Speaker 1: But I don't think he'll be the greatest to most

807
00:33:11,816 --> 00:33:14,336
Speaker 1: people because statistically he doesn't have that, although he did

808
00:33:14,376 --> 00:33:17,736
Speaker 1: win Super Bowls, yeah, multiples, and it's just hard talking

809
00:33:17,736 --> 00:33:19,216
Speaker 1: to you too, because you played for the Patriots and

810
00:33:19,256 --> 00:33:20,256
Speaker 1: you're a dire Patriots fan.

811
00:33:20,656 --> 00:33:22,456
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a little bit of bias. Yeah, but I

812
00:33:22,456 --> 00:33:25,456
Speaker 3: didn't play with drunk, but you're a Patriot.

813
00:33:26,176 --> 00:33:28,896
Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess I could consider myself a Patriot.

814
00:33:28,896 --> 00:33:30,296
Speaker 3: Well I consider you I was.

815
00:33:30,616 --> 00:33:32,976
Speaker 5: Well, I know that's the only only season you ever

816
00:33:33,016 --> 00:33:35,616
Speaker 5: saw me play, and you couldn't care about my career

817
00:33:35,656 --> 00:33:36,296
Speaker 5: anywhere else.

818
00:33:37,376 --> 00:33:39,136
Speaker 3: I think I probably watched you playing Kansas City a

819
00:33:39,176 --> 00:33:41,696
Speaker 3: little bit. Yeah, maybe, yeah, a little bit.

820
00:33:41,696 --> 00:33:43,136
Speaker 1: What if it turns out I was a super fan

821
00:33:43,176 --> 00:33:45,536
Speaker 1: and this was my whole plan for years, Yeah, to

822
00:33:45,616 --> 00:33:46,696
Speaker 1: get you to come and do a show.

823
00:33:46,736 --> 00:33:51,816
Speaker 3: Yes, I got a Patriot tattoo? You do have Patrio tatoo? No, okay,

824
00:33:52,776 --> 00:33:53,336
Speaker 3: let me do this.

825
00:33:53,696 --> 00:33:56,736
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly is now suing LSU over an attempt to

826
00:33:56,736 --> 00:34:00,456
Speaker 1: short circuit his buyout. This has become the greatest soap opera.

827
00:34:00,616 --> 00:34:03,856
Speaker 1: It's so good because LSU fires him and we're like, dang,

828
00:34:03,896 --> 00:34:06,176
Speaker 1: that's crazy. Now pay him out his fifth million. And

829
00:34:06,216 --> 00:34:10,176
Speaker 1: so we hear their negotiation and I'm going, why would

830
00:34:10,216 --> 00:34:10,856
Speaker 1: he negotiate?

831
00:34:11,056 --> 00:34:11,936
Speaker 3: That's what I wanted to know.

832
00:34:12,096 --> 00:34:14,736
Speaker 1: To give them some of his buyout back and maybe

833
00:34:14,776 --> 00:34:16,936
Speaker 1: it's he wants a lot of it up front, and

834
00:34:16,976 --> 00:34:19,336
Speaker 1: it wasn't in there. Maybe it's mitigate. I don't know

835
00:34:19,376 --> 00:34:21,416
Speaker 1: the details of his contract, but that being said, they

836
00:34:21,496 --> 00:34:23,896
Speaker 1: kept coming back going, no, he wants his full buyout.

837
00:34:24,256 --> 00:34:26,656
Speaker 1: And so now the last thing that I saw was

838
00:34:26,976 --> 00:34:30,096
Speaker 1: LSU has now said we haven't fired him yet.

839
00:34:30,496 --> 00:34:33,136
Speaker 3: Exactly. They're like, we haven't fired him yet, and we're

840
00:34:33,136 --> 00:34:36,616
Speaker 3: going to fire him for cause. And so the cause

841
00:34:36,656 --> 00:34:38,496
Speaker 3: of losing, like that's just part of the job.

842
00:34:38,816 --> 00:34:41,376
Speaker 1: Like it's bizarre. You feel like they might have fired

843
00:34:41,456 --> 00:34:43,576
Speaker 1: him a little too early. They didn't have all their

844
00:34:43,616 --> 00:34:47,256
Speaker 1: ducks in a row. They emotionally said he's fired, yes,

845
00:34:47,376 --> 00:34:49,576
Speaker 1: And now they're going, he won't take less money. We

846
00:34:49,616 --> 00:34:52,096
Speaker 1: had planned for him to negotiate and take less than

847
00:34:52,136 --> 00:34:53,136
Speaker 1: the fifty six million.

848
00:34:52,936 --> 00:34:54,776
Speaker 5: Dollars, because I also heard it was like a thirty

849
00:34:54,816 --> 00:34:59,296
Speaker 5: day payout. It wasn't like overtime, which is a hefty.

850
00:34:58,976 --> 00:34:59,936
Speaker 3: Sung ninety.

851
00:35:01,656 --> 00:35:04,736
Speaker 1: Being paid out. Yeah, and so LSU is on the

852
00:35:04,776 --> 00:35:09,656
Speaker 1: hook fifty four million dollars. And so now if I'm

853
00:35:09,696 --> 00:35:11,776
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly, which by the way, I think Brian Kelly's

854
00:35:11,776 --> 00:35:13,976
Speaker 1: the most unlikable guy in college football. That being said,

855
00:35:14,016 --> 00:35:14,896
Speaker 1: I'm now rooting for him.

856
00:35:15,056 --> 00:35:17,496
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's gonna win this. Like, what do you mean

857
00:35:17,536 --> 00:35:19,856
Speaker 5: he didn't fire me? You had a press conference, the

858
00:35:19,896 --> 00:35:22,536
Speaker 5: governor came on, Yes, we fired the ad.

859
00:35:23,176 --> 00:35:24,456
Speaker 3: So is the AD still?

860
00:35:24,696 --> 00:35:26,136
Speaker 5: Are you on the hook for that money or he's

861
00:35:26,176 --> 00:35:28,056
Speaker 5: not fired either? Are you going to bring him back

862
00:35:28,096 --> 00:35:29,896
Speaker 5: to coach the team? What are you talking about?

863
00:35:30,056 --> 00:35:33,256
Speaker 1: According to the lawsuit obtained by ESPN, Kelly claims LSU

864
00:35:33,336 --> 00:35:35,456
Speaker 1: called him earlier on Monday and said he'd never been

865
00:35:35,456 --> 00:35:38,336
Speaker 1: formally terminated and that the school was instead looking into

866
00:35:38,336 --> 00:35:42,296
Speaker 1: firing him for cause. But cause would mean he did something,

867
00:35:42,896 --> 00:35:44,136
Speaker 1: not lose games.

868
00:35:43,936 --> 00:35:47,816
Speaker 5: Anything inappropriate that they deemed that inappropriate. Yes, they'd have

869
00:35:47,856 --> 00:35:50,296
Speaker 5: a leg to stand up. But right now, pay the man.

870
00:35:50,496 --> 00:35:53,496
Speaker 5: We haven't heard anything or nothing's come out about cause.

871
00:35:53,576 --> 00:35:55,176
Speaker 1: I can't believe you may be root for Brian Kelly,

872
00:35:55,216 --> 00:35:57,056
Speaker 1: and I kind of hate you for it, LSU, because

873
00:35:57,056 --> 00:35:59,816
Speaker 1: I think he's the worst. But pay the man or

874
00:35:59,816 --> 00:36:02,496
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for him. I heard he's in contract negotiations

875
00:36:02,496 --> 00:36:04,856
Speaker 1: with Arkansas. He did not, and I tweeted, and I'm

876
00:36:04,936 --> 00:36:10,336
Speaker 1: very care full about not not creating a barrier between

877
00:36:10,336 --> 00:36:13,256
Speaker 1: me and anybody, specifically that hasn't worked for Arkansas, and

878
00:36:13,336 --> 00:36:15,416
Speaker 1: I am always like I never say I don't want

879
00:36:15,416 --> 00:36:17,296
Speaker 1: this coach or I want this coach, and never do

880
00:36:17,376 --> 00:36:19,016
Speaker 1: that because who knows who's gonna have the job, right,

881
00:36:19,016 --> 00:36:21,376
Speaker 1: and I want to have a decent relationship, And so

882
00:36:22,136 --> 00:36:26,416
Speaker 1: I did right. I'm there for whoever except Brian Kelly. Really,

883
00:36:26,456 --> 00:36:28,776
Speaker 1: that's how much I dislike Brian Kelly. Yes, but now

884
00:36:28,856 --> 00:36:29,336
Speaker 1: I'm rude.

885
00:36:29,496 --> 00:36:32,176
Speaker 3: Was this the first time you've ever done that? Speaks

886
00:36:32,176 --> 00:36:34,456
Speaker 3: a lot? Probably.

887
00:36:35,216 --> 00:36:37,496
Speaker 1: I was pretty vocal that I don't think Sam Pittman

888
00:36:37,576 --> 00:36:41,536
Speaker 1: is the guy, and I got some backlash from that

889
00:36:41,616 --> 00:36:44,256
Speaker 1: early on, but it wasn't because I disliked Sam Pittman

890
00:36:44,296 --> 00:36:44,616
Speaker 1: at all.

891
00:36:44,816 --> 00:36:46,856
Speaker 3: Right, I like Sam, you just didn't think he was

892
00:36:46,856 --> 00:36:47,856
Speaker 3: the right fit. I did not.

893
00:36:48,136 --> 00:36:50,096
Speaker 1: And I'm a fan before i'm anything else, Before I'm

894
00:36:50,136 --> 00:36:52,456
Speaker 1: a booster, before i'm the guy that's got shows. I'm

895
00:36:52,456 --> 00:36:54,656
Speaker 1: a fan first and foremost, and I tweet like a fan.

896
00:36:54,856 --> 00:36:57,296
Speaker 3: Yeah, how would you do in the ad role there?

897
00:36:57,416 --> 00:36:59,736
Speaker 3: I would do awesome. We'd have winners because I would

898
00:36:59,856 --> 00:37:03,136
Speaker 3: raise money. Yes, that's what it is. It's resources and

899
00:37:03,256 --> 00:37:05,176
Speaker 3: you've got a lot of them at Arkansas. I would

900
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Speaker 3: eight relationships and have.

901
00:37:09,176 --> 00:37:10,896
Speaker 1: I think I do pretty good. Yeah, I think you'd

902
00:37:10,936 --> 00:37:13,056
Speaker 1: be a relationship builder for sure. I think i'd be

903
00:37:13,096 --> 00:37:16,376
Speaker 1: a money getter. Yeah, just give me your money.

904
00:37:16,856 --> 00:37:19,016
Speaker 3: I think I would. It's for the pigs.

905
00:37:19,056 --> 00:37:21,816
Speaker 1: I also know, as somebody with an ego, how to

906
00:37:21,936 --> 00:37:25,416
Speaker 1: actually like massage people's egos, like find out what makes

907
00:37:25,416 --> 00:37:27,776
Speaker 1: them feel good and make them feel good so they

908
00:37:27,776 --> 00:37:29,296
Speaker 1: give you money that makes you feel good.

909
00:37:29,536 --> 00:37:31,536
Speaker 5: This all makes sense. I'm feeling good. Listen to you

910
00:37:31,656 --> 00:37:34,296
Speaker 5: feeling good right now? Like, honestly, I'm feeling good about this.

911
00:37:34,816 --> 00:37:39,376
Speaker 3: Who go fund me? Bobby Bones and Arkansas.

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Speaker 1: through the three biggest going to the NFL for Week eleven,

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00:38:07,776 --> 00:38:10,656
Speaker 1: Bucks at Bills. Hey, this is a good one because

918
00:38:10,696 --> 00:38:11,696
Speaker 1: both those teams need to win.

919
00:38:12,056 --> 00:38:13,656
Speaker 3: This is really good. They're in Buffalo.

920
00:38:13,856 --> 00:38:18,056
Speaker 1: In Buffalo, and that probably affects Tampa more so than

921
00:38:18,096 --> 00:38:20,896
Speaker 1: a lot of these other teams because Tampa is pretty warm.

922
00:38:20,976 --> 00:38:23,536
Speaker 5: It's very warm, and it's just like when a cold

923
00:38:23,576 --> 00:38:25,856
Speaker 5: weather team goes down to Tampa. There's an impact of that,

924
00:38:25,976 --> 00:38:28,256
Speaker 5: especially going into the heat from cold weather, and then

925
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Speaker 5: there's an impact of Tampa going up to the cold weather.

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Speaker 5: This one's tough for me because I really do like

927
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Speaker 5: the Buccaneers in their defense, and also obviously the way

928
00:38:40,016 --> 00:38:42,776
Speaker 5: Baker Mayfield's playing, he battled last week against the Patriots.

929
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Speaker 5: I'm going to go with the Buccaneers on the road

930
00:38:47,016 --> 00:38:48,256
Speaker 5: against the Bills.

931
00:38:48,576 --> 00:38:50,856
Speaker 1: I think the Bills need it a little bit more

932
00:38:51,016 --> 00:38:55,016
Speaker 1: mm hmmm, because we expect them to be not just

933
00:38:55,056 --> 00:38:58,096
Speaker 1: winning the AFC East, we expect them to be that

934
00:38:58,176 --> 00:39:01,216
Speaker 1: number one team, number two team battling for that spot,

935
00:39:01,336 --> 00:39:03,256
Speaker 1: and I think they have more on the line. If

936
00:39:03,296 --> 00:39:06,176
Speaker 1: they lose again, I think it's the worse than if

937
00:39:06,176 --> 00:39:08,216
Speaker 1: the Bucks lose to a row just divisionally speak, because

938
00:39:08,216 --> 00:39:08,576
Speaker 1: that they.

939
00:39:08,456 --> 00:39:13,656
Speaker 3: Put them three back against the Patriots and then the division. Yeah. Wow.

940
00:39:14,096 --> 00:39:17,136
Speaker 1: So I'm going with the Bills. I just think it

941
00:39:17,216 --> 00:39:19,816
Speaker 1: means and it matters more to them. And then maybe

942
00:39:19,856 --> 00:39:21,815
Speaker 1: like there's like a ball dude with like a fake

943
00:39:21,896 --> 00:39:24,336
Speaker 1: mustache over there coaching like his analyst. It's Brian Dable.

944
00:39:24,496 --> 00:39:27,256
Speaker 1: He's back over. He got a fake mustache on.

945
00:39:28,256 --> 00:39:29,096
Speaker 3: He's from Buffalo.

946
00:39:29,696 --> 00:39:32,616
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I know him from being the offensive

947
00:39:32,656 --> 00:39:34,256
Speaker 1: coordinator with Josh Allen.

948
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Speaker 5: But he actually grew up in Buffalo. Yeah, so I

949
00:39:37,416 --> 00:39:38,815
Speaker 5: think he's priced. Still got a home there.

950
00:39:39,216 --> 00:39:41,855
Speaker 3: Seahawks at Rams it's so good.

951
00:39:42,016 --> 00:39:44,376
Speaker 1: I feel like the Seahawks, and I think part of

952
00:39:44,416 --> 00:39:46,336
Speaker 1: it is where they're located. I feel like they're not

953
00:39:46,376 --> 00:39:49,336
Speaker 1: getting the respect that they deserve because they've been killing folks.

954
00:39:50,056 --> 00:39:51,856
Speaker 1: I think when you're in Seattle or you're in Portland,

955
00:39:51,936 --> 00:39:54,016
Speaker 1: it's just hard to get the respect because you're just

956
00:39:54,056 --> 00:39:57,936
Speaker 1: so far behind and you're not LA like La San Francisco.

957
00:39:58,496 --> 00:40:01,296
Speaker 1: Bigger markets, but especially LA like things are based in LA,

958
00:40:01,376 --> 00:40:03,296
Speaker 1: so they get the love naturally because a lot of

959
00:40:03,296 --> 00:40:06,056
Speaker 1: these analysts are there. Yes, I feel like Seattle doesn't

960
00:40:06,056 --> 00:40:07,416
Speaker 1: get the love because nobody's there.

961
00:40:08,256 --> 00:40:09,936
Speaker 5: I would agree with you, because they're playing as good

962
00:40:09,936 --> 00:40:12,256
Speaker 5: as football as anybody in the league. I would even

963
00:40:12,736 --> 00:40:16,696
Speaker 5: argue that they could potentially be the best team in

964
00:40:16,736 --> 00:40:19,496
Speaker 5: football right now, just the way that the offense is operating.

965
00:40:19,496 --> 00:40:23,736
Speaker 5: Sam Donald's been amazing, defense has been outstanding. So I

966
00:40:23,776 --> 00:40:26,016
Speaker 5: mean these two teams. This one's a hard pick for

967
00:40:26,096 --> 00:40:29,096
Speaker 5: me because they both have a great identity on offense,

968
00:40:29,136 --> 00:40:31,536
Speaker 5: they know who they are, They've got superstar players on

969
00:40:31,576 --> 00:40:33,936
Speaker 5: the outside. The quarterbacks are playing at a really high level,

970
00:40:33,976 --> 00:40:37,256
Speaker 5: and the defenses are young and getting after people. I'm

971
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Speaker 5: still going to have to go with the Rams at home.

972
00:40:39,536 --> 00:40:43,736
Speaker 5: Matt Stafford just his his big game experience and everything.

973
00:40:43,776 --> 00:40:45,896
Speaker 5: Not to say that Sam Donald doesn't have that, but

974
00:40:46,016 --> 00:40:48,256
Speaker 5: Stafford's a proven entity and at the end of the day,

975
00:40:48,296 --> 00:40:50,576
Speaker 5: I think he's playing at a really really high level

976
00:40:50,616 --> 00:40:51,296
Speaker 5: MVP type.

977
00:40:51,376 --> 00:40:54,496
Speaker 3: Stafford's awesome. I was surprised to see that he just

978
00:40:54,616 --> 00:40:55,896
Speaker 3: now is five hundred all time.

979
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Speaker 1: Really if you pull up his record, because I think

980
00:41:00,216 --> 00:41:03,376
Speaker 1: you played for Detroit for yes, that's why, teen years,

981
00:41:03,536 --> 00:41:03,976
Speaker 1: that's why.

982
00:41:04,296 --> 00:41:06,696
Speaker 5: Yeah, And they're always like that eight and eight, like

983
00:41:06,776 --> 00:41:08,736
Speaker 5: right around there, and had some down years, had a

984
00:41:08,736 --> 00:41:10,776
Speaker 5: few up years, but he was.

985
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Speaker 3: Like something something in one what is it? One fifteen,

986
00:41:13,336 --> 00:41:16,976
Speaker 3: one fifteen and one. Wow. Hall of Famer for sure

987
00:41:16,656 --> 00:41:17,896
Speaker 3: for Super Bowl champion.

988
00:41:17,976 --> 00:41:19,896
Speaker 1: Really one of the best, one of the best fifty

989
00:41:19,936 --> 00:41:22,376
Speaker 1: quarterbacks I think of all time, just because I haven't

990
00:41:22,376 --> 00:41:24,216
Speaker 1: thought about it. Maybe he's best twenty five but one

991
00:41:24,216 --> 00:41:25,456
Speaker 1: of the best fifty of all time.

992
00:41:25,616 --> 00:41:27,216
Speaker 5: What he had to endure for all those years is

993
00:41:27,296 --> 00:41:30,216
Speaker 5: chalaedy as he is then lifted up that organization to

994
00:41:30,256 --> 00:41:31,416
Speaker 5: be better than what they could.

995
00:41:31,656 --> 00:41:34,776
Speaker 3: Can you imagine if he didn't go there? Oh yeah,

996
00:41:34,896 --> 00:41:38,696
Speaker 3: Chiefs at Broncos. I'm going Chiefs, Yeah, Chiefs.

997
00:41:38,896 --> 00:41:41,536
Speaker 1: I don't think the Chiefs lose like three years. That's

998
00:41:41,536 --> 00:41:43,176
Speaker 1: my prediction that we don't see a lot to like

999
00:41:43,216 --> 00:41:43,816
Speaker 1: twenty thirty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

1001
00:41:44,296 --> 00:41:47,416
Speaker 5: I do think the Broncos defense is really good, so

1002
00:41:47,616 --> 00:41:49,256
Speaker 5: I will say that they're going to put up a fight.

1003
00:41:49,296 --> 00:41:53,176
Speaker 5: But for them to continue to win games consistently in

1004
00:41:53,216 --> 00:41:55,256
Speaker 5: the fourth quarter, in the manner in which they have,

1005
00:41:56,176 --> 00:41:58,176
Speaker 5: I think it's hard pressed to think that they can

1006
00:41:58,216 --> 00:41:58,696
Speaker 5: maintain that.

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00:42:00,256 --> 00:42:05,456
Speaker 1: I think they're the Denver Fraudcos. Boom boom, thank you,

1008
00:42:05,456 --> 00:42:08,496
Speaker 1: you nail that. But again, you are what your record

1009
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Speaker 1: says you are. Eight two.

1010
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Speaker 3: All right, we're gonna get.

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Speaker 1: Over and talk with former NFL tight end Vernon Davis.

1032
00:43:09,016 --> 00:43:12,056
Speaker 1: Vernon was drafted sixth overall in two thousand and six

1033
00:43:12,096 --> 00:43:13,815
Speaker 1: by the forty nine Ers. He went on to play

1034
00:43:13,856 --> 00:43:17,016
Speaker 1: fourteen years in the NFL. He ran a sub four

1035
00:43:17,136 --> 00:43:19,976
Speaker 1: four forty. He has a new podcast we're going to

1036
00:43:20,016 --> 00:43:22,576
Speaker 1: talk about called The Next Role, and you can follow

1037
00:43:22,616 --> 00:43:25,176
Speaker 1: him on Instagram at Vernon Davis eighty five.

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00:43:25,416 --> 00:43:30,776
Speaker 3: Here he is Vernon Davis, so Vernon before we start

1039
00:43:30,816 --> 00:43:32,815
Speaker 3: talking about ball, like what is your next role?

1040
00:43:32,816 --> 00:43:32,896
Speaker 6: Like?

1041
00:43:33,216 --> 00:43:34,815
Speaker 3: What are you finding for filming in right now?

1042
00:43:35,576 --> 00:43:42,096
Speaker 2: My next role is is film and television, just being

1043
00:43:42,416 --> 00:43:45,056
Speaker 2: just doing things that bring me joy And I think

1044
00:43:45,096 --> 00:43:49,776
Speaker 2: that's the biggest thing that gives me motivation when I wake.

1045
00:43:49,696 --> 00:43:50,216
Speaker 6: Up every morning.

1046
00:43:50,536 --> 00:43:51,576
Speaker 3: Vernon, How you doing, buddy.

1047
00:43:51,576 --> 00:43:54,256
Speaker 5: It's good to see you again about the new podcast.

1048
00:43:55,016 --> 00:43:57,656
Speaker 5: What's something that you've already learned doing this only only

1049
00:43:57,696 --> 00:44:00,896
Speaker 5: a month that maybe you didn't know before starting this endeavor?

1050
00:44:01,096 --> 00:44:03,776
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't know that. It took a great deal

1051
00:44:03,856 --> 00:44:06,256
Speaker 2: of effort on my end it. You know, I would

1052
00:44:06,296 --> 00:44:09,136
Speaker 2: have people you know doing all the work for me.

1053
00:44:12,216 --> 00:44:15,416
Speaker 2: But it goes hand in hand with everything else in life.

1054
00:44:15,536 --> 00:44:17,976
Speaker 2: If you want something, if you if you're passionate about it,

1055
00:44:17,976 --> 00:44:20,336
Speaker 2: then you put your own time and energy into it.

1056
00:44:20,576 --> 00:44:22,256
Speaker 3: Are you enjoying it? Are you finding you're taken to

1057
00:44:22,296 --> 00:44:22,816
Speaker 3: it pretty good?

1058
00:44:23,256 --> 00:44:24,776
Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, I enjoy it. I enjoy it.

1059
00:44:24,776 --> 00:44:28,256
Speaker 2: It's it's a building, it's a building process. Just like

1060
00:44:28,296 --> 00:44:29,576
Speaker 2: all the things that I did when I was playing

1061
00:44:29,576 --> 00:44:34,176
Speaker 2: football started. I related to like starting from the beginning

1062
00:44:34,176 --> 00:44:36,576
Speaker 2: when I first got to San Francisco, we were losing,

1063
00:44:36,576 --> 00:44:38,776
Speaker 2: couldn't find a win at all, and then all of

1064
00:44:38,816 --> 00:44:40,016
Speaker 2: a sudden boom.

1065
00:44:40,296 --> 00:44:42,216
Speaker 5: So on the show and the premise of the show,

1066
00:44:42,256 --> 00:44:45,136
Speaker 5: You've got ex athletes, you got comedians, you got people

1067
00:44:45,176 --> 00:44:48,016
Speaker 5: from all different walks of life. Was that something that

1068
00:44:48,096 --> 00:44:51,856
Speaker 5: you really wanted to have inside this new podcast that

1069
00:44:51,896 --> 00:44:52,736
Speaker 5: you started.

1070
00:44:52,816 --> 00:44:53,335
Speaker 6: Yeah, I wanted.

1071
00:44:53,456 --> 00:44:56,936
Speaker 2: I wanted to infuse my life with this podcast from

1072
00:44:56,936 --> 00:44:58,616
Speaker 2: playing football athletes.

1073
00:44:59,496 --> 00:45:00,936
Speaker 6: Basketball was my first love.

1074
00:45:01,376 --> 00:45:03,656
Speaker 2: Also, there's a there's a lot of things that I'm

1075
00:45:03,776 --> 00:45:07,256
Speaker 2: doing now in the basket ball space. I invested in

1076
00:45:07,296 --> 00:45:10,096
Speaker 2: the team in Australia called the National basket in the

1077
00:45:10,176 --> 00:45:15,976
Speaker 2: National Basketball League NBL team, which is the Brisbane Bullets.

1078
00:45:16,456 --> 00:45:21,136
Speaker 2: So I wanted to cultivate that even with the production

1079
00:45:21,296 --> 00:45:23,776
Speaker 2: side of you know, friends and people that I've met

1080
00:45:24,096 --> 00:45:27,496
Speaker 2: in the acting world and television world. So it's it

1081
00:45:27,616 --> 00:45:30,216
Speaker 2: just all comes together. It's just my life confused.

1082
00:45:30,216 --> 00:45:32,736
Speaker 1: And let's talk about basketball in high school. How good

1083
00:45:32,736 --> 00:45:33,896
Speaker 1: a ball player were you in high school.

1084
00:45:34,776 --> 00:45:38,896
Speaker 6: Oh man, I was okay. I was okay.

1085
00:45:38,736 --> 00:45:41,776
Speaker 2: The one of the one of the guys that I

1086
00:45:41,816 --> 00:45:44,696
Speaker 2: played against in high school in my area was Kevin Durant.

1087
00:45:44,976 --> 00:45:46,096
Speaker 6: I remember playing against him.

1088
00:45:46,136 --> 00:45:48,616
Speaker 2: It was that was that was tough because they also

1089
00:45:48,656 --> 00:45:51,416
Speaker 2: had Patrick Ewing Junior had a really good team, so

1090
00:45:51,456 --> 00:45:52,696
Speaker 2: it was it was a challenge for us.

1091
00:45:52,776 --> 00:45:54,016
Speaker 6: But I think I did really well.

1092
00:45:54,096 --> 00:45:55,056
Speaker 3: What'd you average?

1093
00:45:56,056 --> 00:45:58,456
Speaker 6: Probably eight to ten points a game.

1094
00:45:58,696 --> 00:46:00,416
Speaker 2: We had a guy on our team named Trey Kelly

1095
00:46:00,456 --> 00:46:02,056
Speaker 2: who was going all the points every night, so he

1096
00:46:02,096 --> 00:46:04,136
Speaker 2: was a little selfish. He wouldn't he wouldn't pass the

1097
00:46:04,176 --> 00:46:07,256
Speaker 2: ball much, so you had to let him do his thing.

1098
00:46:07,496 --> 00:46:10,056
Speaker 5: So you played basketball, you played football? Did you also

1099
00:46:10,096 --> 00:46:12,376
Speaker 5: do track in high school? And then what I ultimately

1100
00:46:12,456 --> 00:46:13,216
Speaker 5: led you to Maryland?

1101
00:46:13,536 --> 00:46:14,136
Speaker 6: I did? I did.

1102
00:46:14,176 --> 00:46:16,536
Speaker 2: I did track and field, I did shot put, I

1103
00:46:16,536 --> 00:46:21,496
Speaker 2: did high jump, and I felt like those things really

1104
00:46:21,576 --> 00:46:23,736
Speaker 2: helped mold me as a football player.

1105
00:46:24,256 --> 00:46:26,616
Speaker 6: And the thing that led me to Maryland.

1106
00:46:26,416 --> 00:46:29,656
Speaker 2: Was just stay close to home, staying close to my grandparents,

1107
00:46:29,776 --> 00:46:33,336
Speaker 2: my family, and allowing them the opportunity.

1108
00:46:32,856 --> 00:46:35,376
Speaker 6: To be able to see me play on Saturdays.

1109
00:46:35,856 --> 00:46:37,576
Speaker 1: So you sound like a guy then that would want

1110
00:46:37,696 --> 00:46:40,176
Speaker 1: kids to play a bunch of sports, not just specialize

1111
00:46:40,176 --> 00:46:40,936
Speaker 1: in a single sport.

1112
00:46:41,336 --> 00:46:42,976
Speaker 6: Yeah. Well, unfortunately it doesn't work that way.

1113
00:46:42,976 --> 00:46:44,496
Speaker 2: I tried to get my son to run track and

1114
00:46:44,536 --> 00:46:48,536
Speaker 2: play basketball, but he refused came home. He came one

1115
00:46:48,616 --> 00:46:50,576
Speaker 2: home one day after track practice and I was like,

1116
00:46:50,656 --> 00:46:54,256
Speaker 2: you're supposed to be in a track practice. He was like, yeah, Dad,

1117
00:46:54,256 --> 00:46:56,256
Speaker 2: But I just didn't go there and say, Okay, I

1118
00:46:56,296 --> 00:46:57,696
Speaker 2: get it, I get it, you don't want to do it,

1119
00:46:57,696 --> 00:46:59,856
Speaker 2: and he's and I'm excited for him because he's he's

1120
00:46:59,856 --> 00:47:03,016
Speaker 2: going to Maryland to play football as a linebacker in

1121
00:47:03,056 --> 00:47:03,856
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six.

1122
00:47:03,936 --> 00:47:05,816
Speaker 6: So excited for Johnny.

1123
00:47:06,016 --> 00:47:08,296
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're one of those rare tight ends. Obviously when

1124
00:47:08,296 --> 00:47:12,136
Speaker 5: you're coming out. Your explosive athleticism and all that was

1125
00:47:12,136 --> 00:47:14,736
Speaker 5: recognized at the combine when you ran what a four

1126
00:47:14,896 --> 00:47:17,456
Speaker 5: three eight, which is unheard of at the tight end position,

1127
00:47:17,776 --> 00:47:20,096
Speaker 5: but you're drafted six overall at the age of twenty two.

1128
00:47:20,136 --> 00:47:22,656
Speaker 5: Talk about that process and what that was like for

1129
00:47:22,736 --> 00:47:25,856
Speaker 5: you and the expectation that went along getting drafted to

1130
00:47:25,896 --> 00:47:27,936
Speaker 5: the forty nine ers six pick overall as a tight end.

1131
00:47:28,376 --> 00:47:32,456
Speaker 6: Yeah, that process for me was was very important.

1132
00:47:32,536 --> 00:47:36,976
Speaker 2: I knew how, I knew what the Combine could do

1133
00:47:37,176 --> 00:47:40,296
Speaker 2: for a young guy coming into the NFL, and I

1134
00:47:40,296 --> 00:47:42,976
Speaker 2: don't think a lot of guys that series. It was

1135
00:47:43,016 --> 00:47:47,696
Speaker 2: a way for me to increase my stock in the draft,

1136
00:47:47,816 --> 00:47:48,296
Speaker 2: and I did.

1137
00:47:48,376 --> 00:47:48,856
Speaker 6: I feel like.

1138
00:47:49,216 --> 00:47:51,136
Speaker 2: I felt like all the hard work and dedication I

1139
00:47:51,136 --> 00:47:53,816
Speaker 2: put in from high school to college and even training

1140
00:47:54,216 --> 00:47:59,216
Speaker 2: for the Combine really stood out. So my approach going

1141
00:47:59,216 --> 00:48:01,256
Speaker 2: to the Combine, I was like, Hey, I'm want to

1142
00:48:01,296 --> 00:48:03,056
Speaker 2: be the best and everything.

1143
00:48:03,056 --> 00:48:04,016
Speaker 6: That I compete in.

1144
00:48:04,456 --> 00:48:07,456
Speaker 2: I remember that night before going to Big I just

1145
00:48:07,536 --> 00:48:10,656
Speaker 2: kept listening to it was a song by eminem you

1146
00:48:10,656 --> 00:48:12,656
Speaker 2: only get one shot, did not miss your chance to

1147
00:48:12,856 --> 00:48:16,016
Speaker 2: opportunities come once in a lifetime. That song I would

1148
00:48:16,016 --> 00:48:18,336
Speaker 2: listen to all the time because it was a music

1149
00:48:18,376 --> 00:48:21,936
Speaker 2: motivates you. It gives you the inspiration that you need.

1150
00:48:22,816 --> 00:48:25,296
Speaker 2: And I got up that morning and it was game

1151
00:48:25,296 --> 00:48:27,576
Speaker 2: time for me. It was game time. I knew this

1152
00:48:27,696 --> 00:48:29,656
Speaker 2: was the moment that was going to change my life forever.

1153
00:48:30,336 --> 00:48:31,696
Speaker 2: And that was my approach.

1154
00:48:31,976 --> 00:48:33,736
Speaker 1: When you were at Maryland, you played h back, you

1155
00:48:33,736 --> 00:48:35,536
Speaker 1: played tight end, you moved around a bit, but you

1156
00:48:35,576 --> 00:48:36,776
Speaker 1: could have also been a wide receiver.

1157
00:48:36,816 --> 00:48:38,696
Speaker 3: I mean you ran so fast, you were just large.

1158
00:48:38,696 --> 00:48:40,936
Speaker 1: You could have been a large wide receiver, right, instead

1159
00:48:40,976 --> 00:48:44,416
Speaker 1: of a really fast tight end. Why did you decide

1160
00:48:44,416 --> 00:48:46,416
Speaker 1: to play in rather than split out?

1161
00:48:46,696 --> 00:48:49,136
Speaker 6: When I robbed in Maryland, I did start a wide receiver.

1162
00:48:49,216 --> 00:48:52,936
Speaker 2: And then Coach Franklin, you know, unfortunately my heart goes

1163
00:48:52,936 --> 00:48:54,496
Speaker 2: out to him because he's a hell of a coach

1164
00:48:54,536 --> 00:48:58,016
Speaker 2: there at Penn State. But Coach Franklin was he was

1165
00:48:58,056 --> 00:49:01,656
Speaker 2: a wide receiver coach there when I arrived. Coach Friedan

1166
00:49:01,736 --> 00:49:03,776
Speaker 2: told me he was watching me one day and proctically said,

1167
00:49:03,776 --> 00:49:07,096
Speaker 2: you know what we're going to move you to? And

1168
00:49:07,136 --> 00:49:10,336
Speaker 2: then I said, I said why. She said, because you

1169
00:49:10,536 --> 00:49:13,296
Speaker 2: I feel like you're going to get bigger. I said, okay,

1170
00:49:13,336 --> 00:49:18,016
Speaker 2: And then from there back lead locking online backers for

1171
00:49:18,096 --> 00:49:21,616
Speaker 2: the running back at times, and flex style catch balls

1172
00:49:21,616 --> 00:49:24,176
Speaker 2: in the flats and things of that nature. And then

1173
00:49:24,336 --> 00:49:27,376
Speaker 2: my Jenie year that was a true tight end and

1174
00:49:27,416 --> 00:49:29,176
Speaker 2: he was right. I got up to about two hundred

1175
00:49:29,176 --> 00:49:30,496
Speaker 2: and fifty three pounds.

1176
00:49:30,336 --> 00:49:32,336
Speaker 5: When you first got to the forty nine ers, Obviously

1177
00:49:32,456 --> 00:49:35,216
Speaker 5: you were an organization that was still building to get

1178
00:49:35,216 --> 00:49:37,376
Speaker 5: to eventually where you got to, but you obviously went

1179
00:49:37,416 --> 00:49:39,896
Speaker 5: through adversity, and we remember the two thousand and eight

1180
00:49:39,936 --> 00:49:41,736
Speaker 5: at least I do. I'm sure you do with Mike

1181
00:49:41,816 --> 00:49:45,176
Speaker 5: Singletary and the altercation that you guys had, but that

1182
00:49:45,376 --> 00:49:46,256
Speaker 5: was probably.

1183
00:49:45,896 --> 00:49:48,456
Speaker 3: A turning point for you and a growing moment.

1184
00:49:48,536 --> 00:49:51,376
Speaker 5: You obviously eventually become the captain, but talk about that

1185
00:49:51,456 --> 00:49:53,616
Speaker 5: moment and what that did for you in your career

1186
00:49:53,736 --> 00:49:56,696
Speaker 5: and how that helped change you as a player in

1187
00:49:56,736 --> 00:49:57,296
Speaker 5: your mindset.

1188
00:49:57,576 --> 00:50:02,176
Speaker 2: When you're coming into the National Football League, you you

1189
00:50:02,216 --> 00:50:05,016
Speaker 2: look up to certain individuals. You try to find that identity,

1190
00:50:05,496 --> 00:50:08,416
Speaker 2: and sometimes the person that you're looking up to isn't

1191
00:50:08,416 --> 00:50:10,616
Speaker 2: the right person. So you have to really make sure

1192
00:50:10,696 --> 00:50:14,256
Speaker 2: you put yourself around the right role model. And I

1193
00:50:14,336 --> 00:50:17,336
Speaker 2: was searching for that. I had to meet me mentality

1194
00:50:17,496 --> 00:50:20,216
Speaker 2: and it shouldn't have been that way. I only had it.

1195
00:50:20,216 --> 00:50:23,296
Speaker 2: It was only that way because I had a chip

1196
00:50:23,336 --> 00:50:25,216
Speaker 2: on my shoulder. I wanted to be the best at

1197
00:50:25,256 --> 00:50:26,736
Speaker 2: what I was doing, but I didn't know how to

1198
00:50:26,776 --> 00:50:30,216
Speaker 2: go about it. Coach Singingtey was there. He was always

1199
00:50:30,256 --> 00:50:31,936
Speaker 2: watching me, he was always behind me. I remember the

1200
00:50:31,976 --> 00:50:34,776
Speaker 2: first day I arrived and he came up to me.

1201
00:50:34,776 --> 00:50:37,576
Speaker 2: He said, you have great qualities and I feel like

1202
00:50:37,576 --> 00:50:39,656
Speaker 2: you could be the best. And he told me that

1203
00:50:39,936 --> 00:50:43,176
Speaker 2: from day one, and I guess he knew exactly what

1204
00:50:43,216 --> 00:50:45,616
Speaker 2: to do to get my attention. The day he called

1205
00:50:45,656 --> 00:50:47,976
Speaker 2: me out, sent me to the locker room, I remember

1206
00:50:48,016 --> 00:50:50,776
Speaker 2: going home washing it on TV. I got a text

1207
00:50:50,776 --> 00:50:52,296
Speaker 2: from him said come see me in the morning, and

1208
00:50:52,856 --> 00:50:55,416
Speaker 2: when I arrived in his office that morning, we had

1209
00:50:55,496 --> 00:50:56,056
Speaker 2: heart to heart.

1210
00:50:57,176 --> 00:50:58,696
Speaker 6: He started to cry, I was crying.

1211
00:50:58,776 --> 00:51:02,296
Speaker 2: And from there I started to see the big picture,

1212
00:51:02,576 --> 00:51:05,536
Speaker 2: the big picture of what they brought me in to

1213
00:51:05,616 --> 00:51:09,336
Speaker 2: being the big picture of just my my journey and

1214
00:51:09,416 --> 00:51:11,136
Speaker 2: what I wanted for myself. In order to do that,

1215
00:51:11,216 --> 00:51:14,776
Speaker 2: I have to be self less instead of selfish, and

1216
00:51:14,776 --> 00:51:17,616
Speaker 2: and do just be a great, a great locker room guy.

1217
00:51:17,616 --> 00:51:19,416
Speaker 2: All the time we hear the term great locker room guy.

1218
00:51:19,416 --> 00:51:22,976
Speaker 2: That's very important. That dictates what the guy's playing three

1219
00:51:23,056 --> 00:51:26,096
Speaker 2: years or fifteen years. So if you're a great locker

1220
00:51:26,136 --> 00:51:29,736
Speaker 2: room guy, that transfers to the field, and that's what

1221
00:51:29,816 --> 00:51:30,176
Speaker 2: I became.

1222
00:51:31,096 --> 00:51:33,696
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear about both quarterbacks in San Francisco,

1223
00:51:33,776 --> 00:51:37,016
Speaker 1: both Alex Smith and Colin Kaepernick, and what it was

1224
00:51:37,056 --> 00:51:38,616
Speaker 1: like playing with both of those guys, like both of

1225
00:51:38,656 --> 00:51:40,096
Speaker 1: their strengths, well.

1226
00:51:39,976 --> 00:51:40,816
Speaker 6: They are totally different.

1227
00:51:40,856 --> 00:51:43,016
Speaker 2: Alex was well, of course, Alex was my favorite guy

1228
00:51:43,016 --> 00:51:44,456
Speaker 2: because when I came in, he was there.

1229
00:51:44,696 --> 00:51:47,576
Speaker 6: That was the guy that brought me. That was the

1230
00:51:47,576 --> 00:51:48,936
Speaker 6: guy that brought me in.

1231
00:51:49,216 --> 00:51:52,216
Speaker 2: For to you know, just to cultivated relationship from a

1232
00:51:52,256 --> 00:51:56,456
Speaker 2: receiver quarterback standpoint, and he was I mean, he was

1233
00:51:56,536 --> 00:51:57,216
Speaker 2: amazing man.

1234
00:51:57,296 --> 00:51:57,576
Speaker 6: He was.

1235
00:51:57,816 --> 00:52:00,696
Speaker 2: We saw everything he went through with the injury in Washington,

1236
00:52:00,736 --> 00:52:03,656
Speaker 2: d C. With his leg That's who Alex Smith is.

1237
00:52:03,656 --> 00:52:07,976
Speaker 2: He's resilient, he's relentibly and he had that from the

1238
00:52:08,016 --> 00:52:11,376
Speaker 2: beginning of time, even from the time when he suffered

1239
00:52:11,376 --> 00:52:14,736
Speaker 2: from the concussion and was bitched to Colin Kaepernick, for

1240
00:52:14,776 --> 00:52:16,856
Speaker 2: Colin Kaepernick to step in when hard ball was there.

1241
00:52:17,376 --> 00:52:20,176
Speaker 2: His his ability, I mean, he has a unique great

1242
00:52:20,256 --> 00:52:24,456
Speaker 2: arm strength, He had great football awareness, great IQ for

1243
00:52:24,496 --> 00:52:24,855
Speaker 2: the game.

1244
00:52:25,616 --> 00:52:26,736
Speaker 6: He was a football player.

1245
00:52:26,936 --> 00:52:29,496
Speaker 2: Unfortunately he didn't have that in the beginning because we

1246
00:52:29,536 --> 00:52:31,536
Speaker 2: had to go from we went from offensive coordinator to

1247
00:52:31,536 --> 00:52:33,936
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator. It was just it was just it was

1248
00:52:34,016 --> 00:52:37,176
Speaker 2: chaotic and he didn't have a chance to grow and

1249
00:52:37,216 --> 00:52:40,536
Speaker 2: evolve as a as a quarterback. But he showed what

1250
00:52:40,576 --> 00:52:43,496
Speaker 2: he could who he was when he went to Kansas City. Now,

1251
00:52:43,536 --> 00:52:46,176
Speaker 2: Colin Kaepernick or nothing, it's just a totally different, different

1252
00:52:46,176 --> 00:52:48,736
Speaker 2: style of playing quarterback. The way he threw the ball,

1253
00:52:49,056 --> 00:52:53,856
Speaker 2: the way his ability to run, he was just just

1254
00:52:53,896 --> 00:52:58,256
Speaker 2: totally different. But unfortunately for Colin Kaepernick, that didn't last

1255
00:52:58,296 --> 00:53:01,936
Speaker 2: long for him. They were both great humans, you know,

1256
00:53:03,536 --> 00:53:07,616
Speaker 2: fan favorites in the locker room, but Alex Smith was

1257
00:53:07,776 --> 00:53:10,216
Speaker 2: when I look at quarterbacks, I would say, Alex Smith

1258
00:53:10,296 --> 00:53:13,296
Speaker 2: is is the guy that I really really enjoyed playing with.

1259
00:53:13,696 --> 00:53:17,936
Speaker 5: Talk about coach Harball coming in twenty eleven. Obviously there

1260
00:53:17,936 --> 00:53:20,496
Speaker 5: had to be a cultural shift at that point because

1261
00:53:20,496 --> 00:53:23,176
Speaker 5: from twenty eleven in twenty fourteen, you guys go to

1262
00:53:23,216 --> 00:53:26,976
Speaker 5: three straight NFC Championship games, go make a Super Bowl

1263
00:53:27,016 --> 00:53:29,376
Speaker 5: appearance as well. But talk about the impact he had

1264
00:53:29,416 --> 00:53:30,816
Speaker 5: on that organization at that time.

1265
00:53:31,016 --> 00:53:34,696
Speaker 2: Coach Harbaugh coming in, there was a culture shift the

1266
00:53:34,736 --> 00:53:36,696
Speaker 2: guys started. I mean, we had some of the same

1267
00:53:36,696 --> 00:53:40,016
Speaker 2: guys that our Brooks, all the Smith, Justin Smith, Frank.

1268
00:53:39,816 --> 00:53:42,176
Speaker 6: Gore, all the guys we had to call that court

1269
00:53:42,176 --> 00:53:44,616
Speaker 6: group of guys. What happened was is.

1270
00:53:44,576 --> 00:53:51,096
Speaker 2: Just well, of course the game plan both offensively defensively,

1271
00:53:51,896 --> 00:53:57,256
Speaker 2: new system all around, and what he expected out of

1272
00:53:57,336 --> 00:54:01,256
Speaker 2: us was was totally different. Like he held us. You

1273
00:54:01,376 --> 00:54:06,016
Speaker 2: talking about accountability he's the guy to enforce that. He's

1274
00:54:06,016 --> 00:54:08,696
Speaker 2: going to enforce accountability. He's going to make sure that

1275
00:54:09,056 --> 00:54:11,976
Speaker 2: you guys, the guys understand the Hey, I want you, but.

1276
00:54:11,936 --> 00:54:14,216
Speaker 6: I don't need you. You can easily be replaced.

1277
00:54:14,616 --> 00:54:18,216
Speaker 2: And once guys understood that, I mean, it was it

1278
00:54:18,296 --> 00:54:22,016
Speaker 2: was like a totally different dynamic. He just he's just

1279
00:54:22,056 --> 00:54:25,456
Speaker 2: has this way about him that you know, I mean,

1280
00:54:25,496 --> 00:54:28,416
Speaker 2: he's he's the general man. He knows how to get

1281
00:54:28,416 --> 00:54:31,496
Speaker 2: guys to play the game of football and play at

1282
00:54:31,536 --> 00:54:32,136
Speaker 2: a high level.

1283
00:54:32,416 --> 00:54:34,616
Speaker 1: So then you weren't surprised to see him, I'm guessing,

1284
00:54:34,656 --> 00:54:36,776
Speaker 1: win a national championship at Michigan and then turn the

1285
00:54:36,856 --> 00:54:37,616
Speaker 1: Chargers around.

1286
00:54:37,936 --> 00:54:40,256
Speaker 6: No, I wasn't surprised to see him win the national championship.

1287
00:54:40,536 --> 00:54:42,776
Speaker 2: I wasn't surprised at all because I know that hardball

1288
00:54:42,896 --> 00:54:45,416
Speaker 2: has he has it. You know a lot of guys

1289
00:54:45,656 --> 00:54:48,176
Speaker 2: either have it in you or you don't. He's made

1290
00:54:48,296 --> 00:54:50,656
Speaker 2: for football. You know, it might take him some time,

1291
00:54:50,736 --> 00:54:53,376
Speaker 2: yet he'll get you there. You may not win it,

1292
00:54:53,416 --> 00:54:56,056
Speaker 2: but he's going to come back and do something miraculous

1293
00:54:56,096 --> 00:54:58,136
Speaker 2: at some point in time. He's one of those type

1294
00:54:58,136 --> 00:54:59,976
Speaker 2: of guys that you you don't want to let him

1295
00:55:00,016 --> 00:55:02,816
Speaker 2: go because you know what his pedigree is, from his

1296
00:55:02,896 --> 00:55:05,176
Speaker 2: brother to his father to who he is.

1297
00:55:05,656 --> 00:55:08,496
Speaker 5: He just has talk to us about that divisional game

1298
00:55:08,776 --> 00:55:12,216
Speaker 5: against the Saints, since referred to as catch number three

1299
00:55:12,856 --> 00:55:15,816
Speaker 5: in the forty nine Ers folklore of their organization.

1300
00:55:15,976 --> 00:55:16,696
Speaker 3: But what do you.

1301
00:55:16,736 --> 00:55:19,696
Speaker 5: Remember from that game, in that moment when you caught

1302
00:55:19,736 --> 00:55:22,096
Speaker 5: that touchdown pass? Because it was probably one of the

1303
00:55:22,176 --> 00:55:24,536
Speaker 5: best divisional games of all time in NFL history.

1304
00:55:24,936 --> 00:55:26,216
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that game.

1305
00:55:27,056 --> 00:55:30,296
Speaker 2: That was our first time going to the playoffs, believe

1306
00:55:30,336 --> 00:55:34,616
Speaker 2: it or not, first time there. Super exciting. We wanted it.

1307
00:55:35,016 --> 00:55:36,616
Speaker 2: I think you know how it is when you played

1308
00:55:36,616 --> 00:55:39,216
Speaker 2: this game. You can never you playing and playing you're

1309
00:55:39,216 --> 00:55:41,256
Speaker 2: looking for that win. That could get super frustrated. I

1310
00:55:41,296 --> 00:55:43,896
Speaker 2: felt bad for guys like Frank Golhu who been there.

1311
00:55:43,976 --> 00:55:47,016
Speaker 2: Frank arrived the year before me in twenty two thousand

1312
00:55:47,056 --> 00:55:47,456
Speaker 2: and five.

1313
00:55:47,896 --> 00:55:51,176
Speaker 6: He was extremely upset over the years and just watching him.

1314
00:55:51,176 --> 00:55:53,176
Speaker 2: So when we finally made it to the playoffs, it

1315
00:55:53,216 --> 00:55:55,216
Speaker 2: was just we had something in us. It was something

1316
00:55:55,256 --> 00:55:58,616
Speaker 2: about that team that we were desperate for that win.

1317
00:55:59,216 --> 00:56:01,896
Speaker 2: I knew how important it was for the team, the organization,

1318
00:56:02,416 --> 00:56:05,976
Speaker 2: the fans, and just the city of San Francisco. So

1319
00:56:07,096 --> 00:56:10,056
Speaker 2: that was the That was the first time I felt

1320
00:56:10,096 --> 00:56:13,896
Speaker 2: like I was unstoppable, like I was in the zone,

1321
00:56:14,496 --> 00:56:18,856
Speaker 2: like it was nothing that could stop me from producing

1322
00:56:18,936 --> 00:56:19,776
Speaker 2: for my team.

1323
00:56:20,336 --> 00:56:20,496
Speaker 6: Right.

1324
00:56:20,536 --> 00:56:22,496
Speaker 2: I remember going to the hardball and saying, Hardball, just

1325
00:56:22,536 --> 00:56:24,056
Speaker 2: threw me the ball. You could throw me the ball.

1326
00:56:24,096 --> 00:56:26,936
Speaker 2: I'm I got it, trust me, and he just they

1327
00:56:26,976 --> 00:56:27,816
Speaker 2: just kept coming to me.

1328
00:56:28,856 --> 00:56:29,056
Speaker 6: You know.

1329
00:56:29,096 --> 00:56:30,416
Speaker 2: He called the play. It was a play that went

1330
00:56:30,496 --> 00:56:33,176
Speaker 2: started called them. It was the Vernon post. We ran

1331
00:56:33,216 --> 00:56:35,136
Speaker 2: that plate one time. I didn't think we were gonna

1332
00:56:35,136 --> 00:56:37,296
Speaker 2: call it, but Greg Roman called that play. We had

1333
00:56:37,296 --> 00:56:39,336
Speaker 2: a couple of seconds left from the clock. It was

1334
00:56:39,376 --> 00:56:42,776
Speaker 2: the play that that brought that game home. I remember

1335
00:56:42,816 --> 00:56:44,096
Speaker 2: it was like like it was yesterday.

1336
00:56:44,976 --> 00:56:47,656
Speaker 3: It's the twentieth anniversary of Dancing with the Stars. You

1337
00:56:47,696 --> 00:56:49,576
Speaker 3: did the show. What are your memories from that show?

1338
00:56:50,056 --> 00:56:51,816
Speaker 6: Me wanting to go home, me wanting.

1339
00:56:57,016 --> 00:56:57,816
Speaker 3: Why why is that?

1340
00:56:58,376 --> 00:56:59,896
Speaker 2: And that was the hardest thing I've had to do

1341
00:56:59,936 --> 00:57:02,336
Speaker 2: in my life that I'm like, I guess because it

1342
00:57:02,376 --> 00:57:05,416
Speaker 2: was it was super foreign to me. I didn't and

1343
00:57:06,896 --> 00:57:08,696
Speaker 2: I didn't have I didn't know how to dance. You know,

1344
00:57:08,936 --> 00:57:12,176
Speaker 2: I'm not a dancing guy. I don't have a dancing background,

1345
00:57:12,536 --> 00:57:17,496
Speaker 2: So walking into a studio having to develop a dance

1346
00:57:17,576 --> 00:57:21,856
Speaker 2: routine in two days, it's extremely tough, stremely difficult. It

1347
00:57:21,896 --> 00:57:23,616
Speaker 2: was a challenge for me. I'm not gonna lie, but

1348
00:57:24,176 --> 00:57:27,696
Speaker 2: I didn't. I kept going, I kept fighting, and eventually

1349
00:57:27,856 --> 00:57:31,616
Speaker 2: it became it became fun. It became fun once I

1350
00:57:31,696 --> 00:57:34,976
Speaker 2: learned the just the different, the different things you need

1351
00:57:35,016 --> 00:57:35,656
Speaker 2: to have when.

1352
00:57:35,496 --> 00:57:38,736
Speaker 6: It comes to dancing, especially ball room dancing.

1353
00:57:39,056 --> 00:57:42,576
Speaker 1: I know you have your your Super Bowl trophy, but

1354
00:57:42,936 --> 00:57:46,176
Speaker 1: don't I did win that ship, he won.

1355
00:57:46,776 --> 00:57:48,616
Speaker 3: Tell me this is not the ultimate flex. I don't

1356
00:57:48,616 --> 00:57:53,056
Speaker 3: bring it out off. Thank you, thank you.

1357
00:57:53,296 --> 00:57:55,376
Speaker 1: This is the one athletic thing that I probably have

1358
00:57:55,416 --> 00:57:56,736
Speaker 1: a trophy that you don't in the history of the

1359
00:57:56,776 --> 00:57:58,136
Speaker 1: world with one thing.

1360
00:57:58,216 --> 00:58:00,096
Speaker 3: With a bang up shoulder too, right, Oh yeah, I

1361
00:58:00,096 --> 00:58:01,736
Speaker 3: tore my shoulder. I had to go to like the Titans.

1362
00:58:01,816 --> 00:58:03,536
Speaker 1: I didn't play Pro Bowl, obviously, but I had to

1363
00:58:03,536 --> 00:58:06,016
Speaker 1: go to the Titans facility in Nashville because I tore

1364
00:58:06,056 --> 00:58:06,536
Speaker 1: my shoulder.

1365
00:58:06,616 --> 00:58:07,376
Speaker 3: I didn't know how to dance.

1366
00:58:07,416 --> 00:58:09,496
Speaker 1: I'd never dance in my life, and so I tore

1367
00:58:09,536 --> 00:58:11,936
Speaker 1: my shoulder on the first dance because I fell at

1368
00:58:11,976 --> 00:58:13,976
Speaker 1: the end of the dance because I was celebrating because

1369
00:58:13,976 --> 00:58:16,256
Speaker 1: I never actually finished the dance in practice.

1370
00:58:16,056 --> 00:58:21,616
Speaker 3: That's exactly laughing. Wow, yeah, and I did.

1371
00:58:21,736 --> 00:58:24,376
Speaker 1: I didn't go to the twentieth anniversary because I freaking

1372
00:58:24,456 --> 00:58:25,216
Speaker 1: tore my ankle.

1373
00:58:25,536 --> 00:58:26,976
Speaker 3: So I'm in a cast right now.

1374
00:58:27,376 --> 00:58:29,016
Speaker 1: And before you came on, I was like, I think

1375
00:58:29,056 --> 00:58:30,736
Speaker 1: Vernon did the show, and yeah it was.

1376
00:58:30,776 --> 00:58:32,896
Speaker 3: It was super hard. So yeah, anyway, I just want

1377
00:58:32,896 --> 00:58:33,976
Speaker 3: to show off my trophy, that's all.

1378
00:58:34,096 --> 00:58:36,856
Speaker 5: Yeah, he got that trophy, and then in our profession,

1379
00:58:36,896 --> 00:58:39,296
Speaker 5: you got the ultimate trophy. You're traded to Denver in

1380
00:58:39,336 --> 00:58:43,616
Speaker 5: twenty fifteen with Peyton Manning. Talk about that experience, what

1381
00:58:43,656 --> 00:58:47,176
Speaker 5: that was like and actually ultimately getting to achieve what

1382
00:58:47,256 --> 00:58:49,576
Speaker 5: all of us ultimately wanted to achieve in this sport.

1383
00:58:49,976 --> 00:58:52,216
Speaker 2: Yeah, so when that happened, so we had I think

1384
00:58:52,216 --> 00:58:54,416
Speaker 2: we just finished playing the Saint Louis Rams at the time,

1385
00:58:54,936 --> 00:59:00,696
Speaker 2: and I remember being home, We're getting to the house

1386
00:59:00,736 --> 00:59:03,256
Speaker 2: that night, waking up that morning with the text from

1387
00:59:03,296 --> 00:59:05,296
Speaker 2: Trent balk A general manager saying hey to come see

1388
00:59:05,816 --> 00:59:08,416
Speaker 2: So I'm already like, ah, he never, he never sends me.

1389
00:59:09,056 --> 00:59:10,496
Speaker 6: He never sent me a text like that.

1390
00:59:11,056 --> 00:59:14,256
Speaker 2: If it was, it would be a phone call, text,

1391
00:59:14,296 --> 00:59:16,936
Speaker 2: So I took new something kind of fishing. I go in,

1392
00:59:17,016 --> 00:59:19,616
Speaker 2: I see him and he says, sit sit down. So

1393
00:59:20,776 --> 00:59:22,456
Speaker 2: I sit down and it's like, what's this about you

1394
00:59:22,736 --> 00:59:23,856
Speaker 2: guys probably gonna trade me?

1395
00:59:23,936 --> 00:59:24,096
Speaker 3: Huh.

1396
00:59:24,736 --> 00:59:26,456
Speaker 6: He's like yeah.

1397
00:59:26,936 --> 00:59:29,936
Speaker 2: So he started pulling up different teams and he's like,

1398
00:59:30,336 --> 00:59:33,936
Speaker 2: Denver highly interested in bringing you in. So I was

1399
00:59:33,936 --> 00:59:37,896
Speaker 2: just like, okay, I'm processing everything, and of course I'm

1400
00:59:38,256 --> 00:59:41,656
Speaker 2: I'm shedding tears because I'm with this organization. I've been

1401
00:59:41,656 --> 00:59:44,096
Speaker 2: with this organization since two thousand and six. Now it's

1402
00:59:44,136 --> 00:59:47,936
Speaker 2: twenty twenty fifteen. I'm like, all right, so you know

1403
00:59:48,016 --> 00:59:50,896
Speaker 2: that happened. To get on the plane and go to Denver,

1404
00:59:50,936 --> 00:59:53,776
Speaker 2: and I get a text from Peyton said come see

1405
00:59:53,776 --> 00:59:56,136
Speaker 2: me when you get here. I'll be in the gym.

1406
00:59:56,456 --> 01:00:00,656
Speaker 2: The rest is just history. Ended up winning the Super Bowl,

1407
01:00:01,736 --> 01:00:05,136
Speaker 2: Super Bowl fifty in Denver, Von Miller, the Marcus what

1408
01:00:05,576 --> 01:00:09,136
Speaker 2: where we just had an amazing team. That team reminded

1409
01:00:09,136 --> 01:00:10,616
Speaker 2: me of the team that we had when I went

1410
01:00:10,656 --> 01:00:12,616
Speaker 2: to Super Bowl forty seven with the San Francisco forty

1411
01:00:12,696 --> 01:00:14,936
Speaker 2: nine ers. It was just the same kind of energy,

1412
01:00:15,016 --> 01:00:19,216
Speaker 2: the same feel. Everybody was so positive. Conference was like

1413
01:00:19,336 --> 01:00:22,056
Speaker 2: just super out there and you could just feel it,

1414
01:00:22,096 --> 01:00:22,936
Speaker 2: you could feel the energy.

1415
01:00:22,936 --> 01:00:24,976
Speaker 6: It was just a great, a great thing we had

1416
01:00:25,056 --> 01:00:25,496
Speaker 6: going on.

1417
01:00:26,336 --> 01:00:30,896
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, the thing for me was that I played with

1418
01:00:30,896 --> 01:00:33,456
Speaker 2: two different quarterbacks. I played with bark Hoswald and I

1419
01:00:33,456 --> 01:00:36,776
Speaker 2: played with Peyton Manning. So learning both guys on the

1420
01:00:36,816 --> 01:00:39,936
Speaker 2: fly within a month or two was just like super

1421
01:00:39,976 --> 01:00:41,936
Speaker 2: difficult for me. I'm not gonna live as a challenge

1422
01:00:41,976 --> 01:00:46,776
Speaker 2: because it was just a totally different a totally different

1423
01:00:47,536 --> 01:00:52,616
Speaker 2: processing and playbook with Peyton Manning and it it was.

1424
01:00:52,696 --> 01:00:55,896
Speaker 2: It was awesome to experience that, even even though you know,

1425
01:00:55,976 --> 01:01:00,416
Speaker 2: I didn't feel as comfortable as I wanted to. But

1426
01:01:00,456 --> 01:01:03,096
Speaker 2: I wish I had the opportunity to start with those

1427
01:01:03,096 --> 01:01:05,336
Speaker 2: guys in the beginning, from training camp all the way through.

1428
01:01:05,776 --> 01:01:07,696
Speaker 2: It would have been a special It would have been

1429
01:01:07,776 --> 01:01:12,016
Speaker 2: even more special, I think. But look, I don't take

1430
01:01:12,056 --> 01:01:14,656
Speaker 2: anything for granted. I enjoyed the moment, the journey, in

1431
01:01:14,736 --> 01:01:17,216
Speaker 2: the process, and you know, that's the moment that I'll

1432
01:01:17,216 --> 01:01:18,456
Speaker 2: remember for the rest of my life.

1433
01:01:18,976 --> 01:01:21,016
Speaker 3: Final question, how did you know when it was time

1434
01:01:21,056 --> 01:01:21,536
Speaker 3: to hang them out?

1435
01:01:21,736 --> 01:01:25,096
Speaker 2: I had my last concussion, my grandfather just died, and

1436
01:01:25,136 --> 01:01:27,976
Speaker 2: the way I was feeling, I was like, mentally, I'm

1437
01:01:27,976 --> 01:01:33,296
Speaker 2: not I'm not in it, and this game is to

1438
01:01:33,376 --> 01:01:39,256
Speaker 2: me is probably ninety ninety percent mental ten percentage just

1439
01:01:39,416 --> 01:01:42,896
Speaker 2: the physicality of the game, in my opinion, because the

1440
01:01:43,216 --> 01:01:45,776
Speaker 2: things that you have to do and create in your

1441
01:01:45,776 --> 01:01:48,936
Speaker 2: mind when you're out the left field is a man.

1442
01:01:48,976 --> 01:01:51,136
Speaker 2: If you don't have that, then you can't play this game.

1443
01:01:51,336 --> 01:01:53,416
Speaker 2: And to me, I wanted to be able to be

1444
01:01:54,296 --> 01:01:57,656
Speaker 2: free mentally when when playing this game of football because

1445
01:01:57,856 --> 01:02:00,216
Speaker 2: I had to have that, you know, all my career,

1446
01:02:00,776 --> 01:02:04,816
Speaker 2: I used my mind to go out there and produce

1447
01:02:04,856 --> 01:02:07,296
Speaker 2: at the highst them, so I knew it was time.

1448
01:02:07,536 --> 01:02:10,496
Speaker 6: When that feeling came over me, I knew it was

1449
01:02:10,536 --> 01:02:11,376
Speaker 6: time to let the game go.

1450
01:02:11,696 --> 01:02:12,016
Speaker 3: All right.

1451
01:02:12,056 --> 01:02:14,496
Speaker 1: The podcast is called The Next Role. You can listen

1452
01:02:14,576 --> 01:02:16,816
Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcast. You can watch on YouTube.

1453
01:02:17,336 --> 01:02:19,576
Speaker 1: Vernon Davis Vernon, We really appreciate the time man. Good

1454
01:02:19,656 --> 01:02:21,896
Speaker 1: luck with the podcasts, good luck with the acting, good

1455
01:02:21,976 --> 01:02:24,376
Speaker 1: luck just finding your next role. You have the fulfillment

1456
01:02:24,416 --> 01:02:25,816
Speaker 1: in your life now, so we appreciate that.

1457
01:02:26,136 --> 01:02:28,056
Speaker 6: I appreciate you guys, Thanks for having me all.

1458
01:02:27,976 --> 01:02:29,976
Speaker 3: Right, Thanks Vernon, all the best.

1459
01:02:30,456 --> 01:02:31,376
Speaker 6: Get to see you too.

1460
01:02:31,576 --> 01:02:31,856
Speaker 5: Thank you.

1461
01:02:47,456 --> 01:02:50,336
Speaker 1: Okay, before we go who's the coach in the NFL

1462
01:02:50,416 --> 01:02:53,416
Speaker 1: that you look at now and you think I didn't

1463
01:02:53,416 --> 01:02:55,336
Speaker 1: get the chance to play four with them.

1464
01:02:55,136 --> 01:02:57,576
Speaker 3: But I would love to have played for with them.

1465
01:02:57,936 --> 01:03:00,416
Speaker 5: Probably Kevin O'Connell. But you played with him, I know

1466
01:03:00,496 --> 01:03:03,856
Speaker 5: that doesn't Yeah, that's what it would make it so great.

1467
01:03:04,256 --> 01:03:06,936
Speaker 5: Got a great relationship. No, I mean he's a QB whisper.

1468
01:03:07,096 --> 01:03:09,696
Speaker 5: I think that. Have you watched the videos of him

1469
01:03:09,736 --> 01:03:11,976
Speaker 5: after the game? Yes, in the locker room.

1470
01:03:12,056 --> 01:03:12,536
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1471
01:03:12,576 --> 01:03:14,336
Speaker 5: I never would have guessed that when I first started

1472
01:03:14,336 --> 01:03:17,016
Speaker 5: playing with him. The way that he's matured and grown

1473
01:03:17,096 --> 01:03:19,816
Speaker 5: up in the profession, but also his messaging and everything else.

1474
01:03:20,376 --> 01:03:24,056
Speaker 5: I think he's just a high character individual and it

1475
01:03:24,096 --> 01:03:25,856
Speaker 5: would be a fun experience to play for him.

1476
01:03:25,856 --> 01:03:27,296
Speaker 3: Plus they do win a lot of games.

1477
01:03:27,296 --> 01:03:28,656
Speaker 5: I know they're going through a little bit of a

1478
01:03:28,656 --> 01:03:30,256
Speaker 5: phase right here where they're not winning a lot of games,

1479
01:03:30,296 --> 01:03:32,456
Speaker 5: But that would be a guy I would like to

1480
01:03:32,536 --> 01:03:33,016
Speaker 5: play for.

1481
01:03:34,336 --> 01:03:36,456
Speaker 1: I'd like to see what he says with no cameras,

1482
01:03:36,456 --> 01:03:39,896
Speaker 1: no microphones. To his closest of confidence about J. J. McCarthy,

1483
01:03:40,336 --> 01:03:42,576
Speaker 1: I'll call him because I think it's really bad.

1484
01:03:43,896 --> 01:03:46,456
Speaker 5: I don't think it's what they expected, and I think

1485
01:03:46,456 --> 01:03:50,056
Speaker 5: that they're now looking in the Mara going Sam Darnold's

1486
01:03:50,096 --> 01:03:51,456
Speaker 5: out there in Seattle.

1487
01:03:51,056 --> 01:03:54,176
Speaker 3: And Daniel Jones and Daniel Jones that I'm both.

1488
01:03:54,216 --> 01:03:55,456
Speaker 1: Now they weren't going to be able to offer them

1489
01:03:55,496 --> 01:03:58,016
Speaker 1: long term contracts or they they weren't going to We

1490
01:03:58,136 --> 01:03:58,816
Speaker 1: would Sam get a.

1491
01:03:58,816 --> 01:03:59,416
Speaker 3: Three year deal?

1492
01:03:59,776 --> 01:04:02,216
Speaker 5: Yeah, three year deal and you still had JJ McCarthy

1493
01:04:02,256 --> 01:04:05,536
Speaker 5: on a rookie deal, so potentially you could still make

1494
01:04:05,576 --> 01:04:08,536
Speaker 5: that work. Very hid insight of you. Yes, yeah, I mean,

1495
01:04:08,896 --> 01:04:11,016
Speaker 5: I'm just looking at it. I wouldn't have let Sam

1496
01:04:11,056 --> 01:04:13,856
Speaker 5: Donold walk outside that building after the season that he had.

1497
01:04:13,856 --> 01:04:15,816
Speaker 5: And I know that people like well in the biggest

1498
01:04:15,816 --> 01:04:18,176
Speaker 5: moments against the Rams late in the year and they said,

1499
01:04:18,376 --> 01:04:21,056
Speaker 5: look if you look at Jared Gofflain, but he did

1500
01:04:21,096 --> 01:04:24,136
Speaker 5: in that playoff game last year against the Commanders he

1501
01:04:24,216 --> 01:04:27,216
Speaker 5: threw four interceptions. So I mean I know that it

1502
01:04:27,296 --> 01:04:30,496
Speaker 5: was because Sam was the first year starter for the

1503
01:04:30,536 --> 01:04:33,056
Speaker 5: Minnesota Vikings, was with Kevin O'Connell and they say, well,

1504
01:04:33,056 --> 01:04:36,376
Speaker 5: it's Kevin O'Connell. No, it's the player out there making plays,

1505
01:04:36,376 --> 01:04:39,416
Speaker 5: doing it consistently. And I would have never broke that

1506
01:04:39,456 --> 01:04:40,216
Speaker 5: relationship up.

1507
01:04:41,096 --> 01:04:44,176
Speaker 3: My agent has called me three times during this podcast.

1508
01:04:44,456 --> 01:04:46,976
Speaker 3: Is that good or bad? It's one of the two.

1509
01:04:47,256 --> 01:04:50,136
Speaker 3: What are we doing, guys? What's next? Don't get rid

1510
01:04:50,176 --> 01:04:53,376
Speaker 3: of castle. We're going up. You're hosting American Idol.

1511
01:04:53,896 --> 01:04:56,936
Speaker 1: But it's funny that you you went bad in your head.

1512
01:04:57,336 --> 01:05:00,056
Speaker 1: In my head, I'm saying it's good for you, but

1513
01:05:00,136 --> 01:05:01,976
Speaker 1: you went bad for you. You're like, I'm moving to

1514
01:05:02,056 --> 01:05:04,496
Speaker 1: La cas Sorry, definitely not doing that.

1515
01:05:06,296 --> 01:05:07,376
Speaker 3: Something's happening. Let's call it.

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01:05:07,456 --> 01:05:10,776
Speaker 1: Something's happening now, come on never, Hey, we're on air

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01:05:10,856 --> 01:05:13,096
Speaker 1: right now, but tell me what's going on. He So,

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01:05:13,256 --> 01:05:17,056
Speaker 1: he first called at like twenty minutes into the podcast,

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01:05:17,336 --> 01:05:19,056
Speaker 1: and I just made a quick video and sent it

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01:05:19,096 --> 01:05:20,376
Speaker 1: to show and we were in the middle of recording.

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01:05:21,056 --> 01:05:23,416
Speaker 1: He called again at fifty minutes into it, and then

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01:05:23,416 --> 01:05:25,016
Speaker 1: he just called again and said, call me after.

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01:05:25,376 --> 01:05:27,256
Speaker 3: Ooh, there's some juicy on the other end of this.

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01:05:27,456 --> 01:05:29,336
Speaker 1: I feel like it ain't good. Do you get excited?

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01:05:29,376 --> 01:05:32,456
Speaker 1: Do you like kind of know everything about my life?

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01:05:32,576 --> 01:05:34,456
Speaker 1: Is I associate with heye, call me after to be

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01:05:34,536 --> 01:05:36,296
Speaker 1: called me after because I have bad news.

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01:05:36,976 --> 01:05:38,656
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's probably the route that I usually go.

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01:05:38,696 --> 01:05:41,376
Speaker 1: If you've called me three times, something happened, Yeah, yeah,

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01:05:41,456 --> 01:05:43,296
Speaker 1: so I feel like it's probably not the best call coming,

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01:05:43,976 --> 01:05:44,856
Speaker 1: but like, how.

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01:05:44,696 --> 01:05:45,336
Speaker 3: Bad could it be?

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01:05:45,336 --> 01:05:46,936
Speaker 5: Did you do anything when you're all hooped up on

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01:05:46,976 --> 01:05:48,896
Speaker 5: Mountain Dew for your foot surgery that we need to

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01:05:48,936 --> 01:05:50,736
Speaker 5: know about, or you don't don't really remember.

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01:05:51,576 --> 01:05:54,096
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I don't think so. I hope not.

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01:05:54,216 --> 01:05:54,856
Speaker 3: I don't think so.

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01:05:55,336 --> 01:05:57,656
Speaker 5: You're like like Woof of Wall Street when he takes

1539
01:05:57,656 --> 01:05:59,416
Speaker 5: the Quailers and driving down the street.

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01:06:00,616 --> 01:06:02,976
Speaker 3: No, I totally got home. Fine, honey, here's your ice cream.

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01:06:03,856 --> 01:06:05,816
Speaker 3: So I guess I'll call him. That's it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Thanks again to Vernon Davids for

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01:06:07,936 --> 01:06:11,336
Speaker 1: coming on. That's Matt Castle. That's Kickoff Kevin, that's Brandon Ray.

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01:06:11,456 --> 01:06:13,816
Speaker 1: I'm Bobby Bones and I got a calling agent. But

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01:06:13,936 --> 01:06:22,336
Speaker 1: we've had lots to say goodbye. Everybody lots to say

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01:06:22,336 --> 01:06:24,776
Speaker 1: with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Is a production of

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01:06:24,816 --> 01:06:28,896
Speaker 1: the NFL and iHeart Podcasts. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio,

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01:06:29,176 --> 01:06:32,136
Speaker 1: visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get

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01:06:32,176 --> 01:06:32,856
Speaker 1: your podcasts.