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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. Hey,

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Speaker 1: what's up, friends, Welcome back another edition of Move the Sticks.

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Speaker 2: Off and Running.

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Speaker 1: Here for you, Ret Lewis, Bucky Brooks, and it's our

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Speaker 1: great pleasure to welcome in the head coach of the

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Speaker 1: ten and oh the number five ranked team of the

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Speaker 1: College Football Playoff rankings, the Indiana Hoosiers. It's coach Kurt Signetti. Coach,

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Speaker 1: I am dressed appropriately for today's interview. Bucky and the

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Speaker 1: guys here on Move the Sticks have had some fun

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Speaker 1: with me for wearing my Defend the Rock hat.

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Speaker 2: Each and every week.

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Speaker 1: I've got to support the brand, baby, So we're excited

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Speaker 1: to have you on here today.

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Speaker 2: Coach, thanks for being with us. It's pleasure good to

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Speaker 2: be hon with you. Guys. You can't be an impartial

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Speaker 2: broadcast and be back down.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, in some places, I can, you know,

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Speaker 1: when we're together down on the sidelines, you know, I

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Speaker 1: got to block that out for a little while. But

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Speaker 1: we're here on the NFL platform, I can let the

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Speaker 1: Cream and Crimson show a little bit.

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Speaker 2: So Coach, the.

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Speaker 1: Biggest thing that has struck me about your team is

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Speaker 1: the team Yeah, This to me is one of the

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Speaker 1: most complete and complementary football minded teams that I have

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Speaker 1: watched this year in all of college football. How do

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Speaker 1: you cultivate that on a day to day basis, and

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Speaker 1: especially going into the season knowing that you had so

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Speaker 1: many new faces all coming together for one purpose.

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Speaker 2: Well, to me, that's the key to the drill is

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Speaker 2: getting everybody to think alike. And it all starts with people.

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Speaker 2: You got to have the right people in place, the

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Speaker 2: right people on the bus and you know they so

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Speaker 2: and starts with your staff and players too, and then

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Speaker 2: the messaging has to be such that has to be concise,

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Speaker 2: clear and consistent. And we're processed driven. And we've got

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Speaker 2: enough older guys on this football team to played successful

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Speaker 2: football in their college career, a lot of them at

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Speaker 2: other places that were two three year starters, that have

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Speaker 2: of a chip on their shoulder. Quite frankly, a lot

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Speaker 2: of guys on this team have something to prove. And

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Speaker 2: you know, and while you know they want to get

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Speaker 2: TfL secks, you know that it's a tight team We've

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Speaker 2: got a lot of good leadership on this team, and

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Speaker 2: there's no agendas. Everybody is focused on the same thing,

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Speaker 2: and that's my job to make sure they are, you know,

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Speaker 2: And that to me, that's the weekly challenge, the intangibles

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Speaker 2: season begins, because the margin forray.

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Speaker 3: Is very slim, you know, coach so often we hear

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Speaker 3: coaches talking about abing process oriented, but for the novice,

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Speaker 3: the amateur who don't doesn't really understand what that means.

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Speaker 3: What does it mean when you say your process orient

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Well, you know, you got to have a

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Speaker 2: blueprint in a plan, and you work your plan daily

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Speaker 2: And if you're doing that and you're preparing the right way,

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Speaker 2: you know, there should be no self imposed limitations on

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Speaker 2: what you can accomplish. But you've got to have high

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Speaker 2: standards and expectations and accountability. You can never lower your

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Speaker 2: standards because how you do something's how you do everything.

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Speaker 2: So obviously you got to have a plan for how

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Speaker 2: about championships. We really don't talk about winning the game.

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Speaker 2: Every you know, all there is is to hearing out.

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Speaker 2: Be where your feet are. Eliminate the noise, eliminate the clutter,

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Speaker 2: on top of good days. Really, tomorrow and Saturday are

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Speaker 2: And that standard doesn't deviate to the circumstances of the game.

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Speaker 1: He look, Coach, I think there's been, you know, plenty

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Speaker 1: I think all that, all that goes into what we're

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Speaker 1: Move the six podcast. Roster construction, developing the right people,

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, we had to go heavy portal just to

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Speaker 2: So in answer to your question, you know, I'll probably

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Speaker 2: You're always going to have some needs here and there

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Speaker 3: One thing that struck me is when you took the job,

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Speaker 2: Well, I had a lot of confidence in myself because

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Speaker 2: I knew the schedule and what did we have to sell? Okay,

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Speaker 3: You know, coach, Uh, this is a new frontier for

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Speaker 2: But I've been there, I've walked down that road before. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So I wasn't. Just to be clear, I wasn't trying

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. But the one thing I would say

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Speaker 3: Quicky coach, because you talked about the transfer portal and

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Speaker 2: I think what really helped us in this particular situation

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Speaker 2: And you know, we played fairly consistently. It's not perfect

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Speaker 1: Better, believe it, and looking forward to more of it.

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Speaker 1: Coach Signetti, thank you so much for giving us a

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Speaker 1: So thanks again, coach, appreciate you all right, guys, have

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Speaker 1: And then I come back to Kurt Signetti found you know,

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Speaker 1: There it is and so we shall see big one

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Speaker 1: to coach Signette. Appreciate him for his time. Appreciate all

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Speaker 1: the Sticks. Maybe DJs back next week. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: we'll see maybe. But for Bucky Brooks, I'm Red Lewis.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to the Bill for putting this thing on all

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