1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: We shouldn't as Democrats be a power in the Republicans. 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: President Trump was sent here to smash conventional norms. I 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: would rather see a congressional solution takes part of my DNA. 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg sound On on Bloomberg two. Rappicts everybody. 5 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television on 6 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. UK and New York have their deadliest day yet. Meanwhile, 7 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: President Trump ripping the World Health Organization. The latest on 8 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: all of the political geopolitics as it relates to this. 9 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: We're also going to check in with a reporter from 10 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: The Guardian to get an update on Boris Johnson as well. 11 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: Congressman Gregory Meeks is going to join us, and we 12 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 1: are officially on standby for the President's daily Coronavirus Task 13 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: Force briefing. The big story continues to be well. Hopefully 14 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: we're nearing the peak of COVID nineteen, or that some 15 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: cities are going to be nearing the peak of COVID nineteen. 16 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: Reading from the Bloomberg terminal, the Okay and New York 17 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: State reported their worst daily death tolls since the pandemic 18 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: began even as several European nations said they planned to 19 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: ease the lockdowns. Joining us on the telephone line the 20 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: Newsmaker telephone line, Congressman Gregory Meeks, a Democrat from New York. Congressman, 21 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: First of all, we are all thinking of your district, 22 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: which we know has been rocked by this, and give 23 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: us an update. Where do things stand in in New 24 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: York fifth Congressional District. Well, number one, thank you for 25 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: your concerns and your prayers. Definitely be Uh. The numbers 26 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: are continued to ride hospitals, the banks, the band before 27 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: running out of space. Uh. You know, we need ppees, 28 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: the personal uh protecial equipment at all levels for our 29 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: first responders for our hospitals. Individuals with some hospitals have 30 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: got out of even the uh coronavirus test, so we 31 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: need a crypts who we're working with them. Uh And 32 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: unfortunately people are dying uh so uh but well, you 33 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: know we've gotta fight through this. H. The good side 34 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: of it is that now in Manhattan, the Davis Center 35 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: is open and the ship it will so in the 36 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: in the ship that just that then they will be 37 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: able to take CORVID nineteen patients. So that would help 38 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: hopefully to open up some pets at some of the 39 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: local hospitals have more uh PPE equipment, hopefully female will 40 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: get get them in. Uh So we're hoping for the 41 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: you know, for the best, but this is we're it's 42 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 1: being predicted to be the peak week, so then hopefully 43 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: we can get over the hull. Congressman Gregory Meeks is 44 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: on the line. He's a Democrat from New York. Of course, 45 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: he's a prominent member on the Financial Services Committee as 46 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: well as the Foreign Affairs Committee. But sticking with New 47 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: York and PPE for just one second. Earlier today, Congressman 48 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: I spoke with two senior Administration of officials and I 49 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: asked them on a background call with just a handful 50 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: of other reporters about how they plan to deliver PPE 51 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: two there to two districts like yours and Congress And 52 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: one of the things that they told me is that 53 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: they've been flying in from around the world PPE equipment. 54 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: Are you satisfied with the state response and are you 55 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: satisfied with the federal response? And if not, what do 56 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,839 Speaker 1: you want to see happen more of Well, we need more. 57 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: It seems as though what is happening is there's a competition. 58 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: So the goods, the PPE equipment that is being purchased 59 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: by um the FEMA and others UH is for the 60 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: nation UH and there's no real system to a lot 61 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: lots the equipment to places of needs. So the state 62 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: have gone out on its own in fact to acquire 63 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: uh dpees. But the states, they're not competing with other 64 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,119 Speaker 1: states in the country. We're looking towards the same kind 65 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: of equipment UH and become the competitive scenario. And then 66 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: you've got some individuals who are you know, escalating the 67 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: price of the product with lines, and the lines should 68 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: not be the case. Who's who who who, Who's who's 69 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: who's tracking off the prices. So these are some of 70 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: the private in the basebles that's trying to sell it 71 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: to FEMA and sell it to um UH hospitals, fake government, etcetera. 72 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: So we were trying to make sure that that's despicable, 73 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: that is despicable that people. Congressman Gregory Meeks is on 74 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: the line, that is deplorable, that is disgusting that people 75 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: in this time and need and we've heard, unfortunately a 76 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: couple of incidents like this all around the country. People 77 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: trying to make a buck as the country shut down 78 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: from the pandemic. What a shame. That's disgusting. But you 79 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: know what, there's a lot more good going on and 80 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: good acts of kindness that have gone on than than 81 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: than there's deplorable people that are doing that disgusting. I 82 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: don't even you should name them, Congressmen, and feel free 83 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: to do it on this program. I'd rather talk about it, 84 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 1: as you said, the hundreds of thousands of volunteers that 85 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: have come into the city, the people, the first responders, 86 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: whether they be doctors, nurses, those that are steralyzing hospitals, 87 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: those that show up at supermarkets, the police officers, the 88 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: fire departments. I mean he folks that are essentially that 89 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: still come to work every day. And then you have 90 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: in the business from around the country come into volunteer year. Uh. 91 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: That's who we are as Americans. And so when it's 92 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: all said and done, that's who I'd rather spend my 93 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: time in reflecting all because we're gonna make sure the 94 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: good uh outweighed the bad. Well, let me let me 95 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: ask you this because the you know, one of the 96 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: prominent conversations that we've been having on this program as 97 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,119 Speaker 1: it relates to economic stimulus, is where things go from 98 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: here in the next round of stimulus spending how speaker 99 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi, I'm sure you know this. You were probably 100 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: in on the meeting where she said that she wants 101 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: a trillion dollars of the President has said about a 102 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: trillion dollars in the next round of economic stimulus. You're 103 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: on the Financial Services Committee, Congressman, what would you like 104 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: to see in this next round of economic stimulus. Well, 105 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: it's talking about recovery, So we've got to make sure 106 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 1: that we go big to help further small businesses go 107 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: to longer and unemployment benefits. If about additional sources the 108 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: process you I claimed, and to give families additional direct 109 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: payment I think also you know clearly got to provide. 110 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:38,679 Speaker 1: But they're desperately needed resources for hospitals, for community health centers, 111 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: the health systems, and health worker is on the front 112 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: lines of this crisis. Uh. You know, I don't think 113 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: that we can overall succeed in the seeding this virus 114 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: unless we also make sure to be strongly supporting state 115 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: and local governments with significantly more resources. Uh So, all 116 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 1: of those things are necessary than you know infrastructive which 117 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: has been shown lay the bear here that needs to 118 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: be in the fourth similar package. So we've got a 119 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: lot of work to do to recover. Uh. Once we 120 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: uh move on and get our hands around this virus, 121 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: and I sometime in May it's doing I think, is 122 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: we we'll be looking at this package May or June. Wow. Okay. 123 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: And do you think that there's any chance that that 124 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:25,679 Speaker 1: we could reopen parts of the country before then? I don't. 125 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: I think that we've got to go by the scientists 126 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: and the data, uh, and how to make the determination 127 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: of how we go forward. And you know, because you 128 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: go across the line, So I don't want to make 129 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: any prediction there, but listening to the scientists, the doctors 130 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:43,559 Speaker 1: and the data. This is Bloomberg Sound on with Ken 131 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg and one or five point two. I don't 132 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: know if anybody else has this problem. I've been cleaning NonStop, 133 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: like the rest of the country, and the second that 134 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: I get done cleaning, my hands hurt from all the 135 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: chemicals I guess that I'm using on my hands, and 136 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: then I put on gloves and then they don't hurt. 137 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: But then I take off the gloves and then they're 138 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: burning again. So I've got like ice packs literally on 139 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: my hand as I've been broadcasting today because I scrubbed 140 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: down the counter with bleach. So I don't know what 141 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: your tricks are. I guess we're gloves. It's not that 142 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: hard anyway. I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg 143 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: Television and Bloomberg Radio, and joining us on the line 144 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: is a reporter who has been covering the UK and Washington. Uh, 145 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: and there's been so many developments out of the UK today, 146 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: particularly as it relates to Boris Johnson, and we had 147 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: to get that on here because Boris Johnson in intensive care. 148 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: David Smith, Washington correspondent with The Guardian. David, give us 149 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: the latest on Boris Johnson, please hello. UM. My understanding 150 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: is that he's uh stable and not actually on a 151 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: ventilator much. He is receiving oxygen and he said to 152 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: be conscious and in relatively good spirits, but remains in 153 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: intensive care. Um. So that's obviously deeply concerning to the 154 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: British government and the nation as a whole. Has been 155 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: well wishes from the Queen and countless other politicians and 156 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: world leaders. He's effectively handed over leadership of the government 157 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 1: and the fight against the coronavirus to dominic robbed the 158 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: Foreign Secretary. UM. And that's the state of play right now, 159 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: no major deterioration. But at the same time he's studdenly 160 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: not out of the woods yet and does he start 161 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 1: performing his duties No, Um, for now Robb in charge. 162 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: Johnson did sold on for several days after being diagnosed 163 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: with a coronavirus. He was working from an office where 164 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: his government papers had to be left at the door 165 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: for him to come and fetch. I put out one 166 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: or two video messages, UM. But then there was a 167 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: sudden deterioration is condition and he was hospitalized put in 168 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: intensive care. So he can't really act as prime minister 169 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: for now. Dominant rabbis in charge. But but officially Johnson 170 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: is still the Prime Minister. I gotta be honest. So 171 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: I'm I'm in the group chat of our of our 172 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: work from home. I used to see these people daily. 173 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: Now we just we just see each other on the 174 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: video cars and and Nancy Lyons says, uh, use deluded, 175 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: deluded Bleach to clean the tables, not straight Bleach. And 176 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: then Christine goes Why are you using straight bleach for 177 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: your tables? Because I am cleaning everything, David, are you 178 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: cleaning cleaning everything? What are your cleaning tips? Um? I'm 179 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: not a great person to ask you to be honest 180 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: right now speaking to you from the White House where 181 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: there is kind of times available and when we um 182 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: come in our temples. Taken twice before these daily briefings, 183 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: the latest one is about to start. I've got some 184 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: hand sanitizing my bag as well. Um, But otherwise me 185 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: and my family are hunkered down at at home and 186 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: really very very rarely going out. Um. So so yeah, 187 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: we're staly doing some some feelings that the most part 188 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: we're in our own little bubble, not not letting anyone else. 189 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: It's like we're all ready going out. We're all on 190 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: our on our own little bubble. And and earlier today 191 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: I mentioned this with the previous guest, uh, that I've 192 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: spoke with two senior administration officials about a new operation 193 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 1: that the government has launched, and maybe the President will 194 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: talk about it in about ten minutes time when he 195 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: has this daily Coronavirus Task Force briefing, which of course 196 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 1: you can listen to right here. But what they were saying, 197 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: is that they've actually been flying in ppe masks, gowns 198 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: host of different equipment for the hospitals. They've already done 199 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: something like eleven flights from all over the world, and 200 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: they have sixty more flights planned over the next couple 201 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: of weeks, and including from Asia, from Malaysia, from China, 202 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: even as well as some other countries in the region. 203 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: And they're flying it directly into counties that are in 204 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: dire need of the equipment. I find this interesting, David, 205 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: and I'm curious to see if this messages with your reporting, 206 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 1: because from my reporting it we in the media have said, oh, 207 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: this state is doing bad or this city is doing that. 208 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: The administration is starting to respectfully push back on that 209 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: and say it's you've got to go even more granular 210 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: than that. You can't just look at New York City. 211 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: You have to look specifically at a hospital, look at 212 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: all the hospitals in a city and see how their 213 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: inventory stacks up, because some hospitals are fine and other 214 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: hospitals are not um and and yet there are and 215 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: they could be in the same city. Are you starting 216 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: to hear that or it's it's definitely complicated isn't it. 217 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: This is such a vast country, and each state has 218 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: its own needs and targets. And then as you say, 219 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:13,479 Speaker 1: within that, so many different counties, so many different hospitals. 220 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 1: I think very understandably, some states have probably overestimated initially 221 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: how much equipment, how many ventilators they'll need, and then 222 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: as more specific information has come in, that has changed. 223 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: We've we've seen Oregon and monitor other states, UM, for example, 224 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: donating their ventilators to New York who whose need is 225 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: more urgent. It's a very tough logistical exercise. UM. And 226 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: I think this whole episode of illustrated some of the 227 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:50,719 Speaker 1: strengths and weaknesses of the of the federal system. We've 228 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: heard Andrew Cuomo, the government New York, complaining that he's 229 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: bidding against other states UM for equipment and then see 230 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: that comes in and pushes the price up further, and 231 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: he compared it to eBay. Moments like that really make 232 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: you yearn for some central planning. UM. And I know 233 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: I think, well, no country without your respect, no country. 234 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: The Brits were no better. I mean, so let me 235 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: ask you this from your perspective, just quickly, because I 236 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: know you've got to get to the briefing, and we're 237 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: so appreciative of your time. David Smith of The Guardian. 238 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: UM what from from the UK perspective, how do they 239 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: view China and the United States in this particular moment? 240 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: Are there are is there frustration overseas at China? Sure, 241 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: I was just going to talk. By the way, one 242 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: of the strength of the sederal planning is that you know, 243 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: states have been able to take actually when the company's 244 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: station has been slow. But I think with you in 245 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: Britain when there was one headline the other day saying 246 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: that we should do China for hundreds of billions of 247 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: dollins almost in reparations for starting this. So there's certainly 248 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: some accusations flying against China. The BBC had quite a 249 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: damning report yesterday about the way America is handling it 250 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: and the shortages in New York and how they go 251 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: against what the Trump administration is claiming. UM. So, yeah, 252 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: there's great interest in in both of those and the 253 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: puzzlements that America is doing better. But for the most 254 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: part Britain is just dominated by its own crisis. Whether 255 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: it's attempt to write out the storm and that has backfired, 256 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: it's so interesting to mean now is the is the 257 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: argument of reparations for for China to pay? Is that 258 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: coming from the conservative movement or from the more progressive 259 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: movement or is it is it? Is it across the 260 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: political spectrum in the UK. I think more on the 261 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: right and the newspaper. The article that was highlighting that 262 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: was for the right wing publication. Um uh, I suspect 263 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: to the moment of relatively fringe ideas that it does 264 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: of the hunt first escapegoat, but it does point to 265 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: that um wider issue that you know, China kind of 266 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: that would be blamed for being the place of the 267 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: outbreak began and rather racist restauran from Donald Trump about 268 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: the Chinese virus. But at the same time, did they 269 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: underplay it? Did they fail to warn the world earlier enough? Um? 270 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: You know, did did they mishandle this? And I think 271 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: well clearly they mishandled it if it got out of 272 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: Wuhan final question for you, because I know you got 273 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: to get into the briefing room. Um. The queen. The 274 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: Queen gave such a moving speech. I had goose bumps 275 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: when I heard the speech about how she was really 276 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: just unifying the country. I mean what you know, anyone 277 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: who listens to this program, I'm a I'm a huge 278 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: fan of the queen. Um. But tell me about the 279 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: reception from your readers of the queen's magnificent speech. You 280 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: and Donald Trump of course to tweet frequently about the 281 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: Queen as well and his admiration for but yes, I 282 00:16:55,840 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: think it won't or you know, she was the paraphrasing 283 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 1: um we'll meet again, a song made famous during World 284 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: War Two. And this is where the Queen comes into 285 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: her own because her career does threat all the way back. 286 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: Her first prime minister was Winston Churchill and she lived 287 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: through World War two, so a great way to to 288 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: unite the nation. But such as the drama of this 289 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: moment that, of course it was literally like an hour 290 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: or two later that the you broke Boris Johnson had 291 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: gone into hospital, so in some ways that that stole 292 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: a bit of the Queen's thunder. That's nevertheless, yeah, it's um, 293 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: you know, a vital role as as head of state 294 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: to try and calm from nerves. All right, well, listen, 295 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: David Smith, thank you so much for your time. A 296 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: jan I can't wait till we're all back in the 297 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: studio and we don't have the social distance, and you 298 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: can join one of our panels. David Smith, he's got 299 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: to go into the White House. Thank you so much 300 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: for going to the White House every single day, asking 301 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: tough questions and doing that and then going home to 302 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: your family. Our thoughts are with you, and please please 303 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 1: please stay healthy. My friend that David Smith at the Guardian. 304 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: Check out all of his reporting if you want a 305 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: global perspective. In particular, he does excellent, excellent reporting through 306 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: the lens of UK and has a really good grasp 307 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: on Washington, UH and the UK, So check him out. 308 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg Sound On on Bloomberg and HD two. 309 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Cirilli, chief Washington correspondent from Bloomberg Television and 310 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio, and this half hour you can catch the 311 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: daily Coronavirus Task Force briefing by President Trump and Vice 312 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: President Mike Pence. Right here, you can listen to that 313 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 1: right here. Did you guys see this article that popped 314 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: in the New York Times just this afternoon. I don't 315 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: own a printer in my in my home office a 316 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: k my never mind, but this I wish I could 317 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: have printed this out and mailed it to many people. 318 00:18:54,760 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 1: China investigates tycoon who criticized she's respond to corona virus 319 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: in the New York Times. This breaking in the New 320 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: York Times, but Javier see Hernandez. The Chinese Communist Party 321 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: said on Tuesday that it was investigating an outspoken property 322 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: tycoon who accused China's top leader Shu Jingping of having 323 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: mishandled the coronavirus outbreak. Reading more from the New York Times, 324 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 1: party officials said the man, ren Ze Kiang, was suspected 325 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 1: of quote serious violations of discipline and law end quote 326 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: a euphemism the authorities often used for corruption and other 327 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: abuses of power. Mr Ren, a longtime party member, disappeared 328 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: last month after having written an explosive essay describing she 329 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: as a power hungry clown. The essay, which circulated on 330 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: Chinese social media site, said that the party's strict limits 331 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: on freedom of speech and it's silencing of the news 332 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: media had exacerbated the epidemic. Joining us on the line, 333 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: a good friend of the program, Max Burns, he's a 334 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: democratic strategist. Max. I've been interviewing democrats, talking to democrats 335 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: on the record, off the record, the past several weeks. 336 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you there's something Democrats and Republicans agree 337 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 1: on right now, and it's Shi Jinping has a lot 338 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: of explaining to do. Am I wrong? Oh? Absolutely? And 339 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: I think you're going to see once this starts to abate, 340 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: not just the United States but Europe and China's allies 341 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: in Asia stepping up to actually demand some accountability from 342 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: China and how this whole debacle happened. Because this has 343 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: affected everyone, you know, I I hear you on that point, 344 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 1: And it has affected everyone. And yesterday when we had 345 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: the partner of Mackenzie on, it's impacting low and middle 346 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: America even more so on an economic front. Absolutely, And 347 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: when you look at the numbers coming out of places 348 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: like Wisconsin and New Orleans and how these lower income 349 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 1: and minority and marginal lies Americans are by and large 350 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: facing the toughest hit from coronavirus because they don't have 351 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: quality healthcare. Some have no health care at all. They're 352 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 1: missing work, and their employers are whether or not the 353 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: lass as so ending up laying them off or letting 354 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: them go. This is gonna be something that takes years 355 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: to fully recover from you know, Max Burns online, he's 356 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: a Democratic tragist. You mentioned Wisconsin, a key battleground state 357 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 1: in which we haven't really talked a lot about, UH 358 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: in the past couple of weeks, just given the pandemic. 359 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: But Wisconsin is having an election. I mean, why, let's 360 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 1: let's on top. When I heard that they were going 361 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: to have this election, I thought it was I thought 362 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: I was reading the onion. I thought there's no way, 363 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 1: there's no way that they're gonna do this. How do 364 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: you do this? The whole the President of the United States, 365 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 1: former Vice President, Joe Biden, Dr Faucci, they're all saying 366 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: stay homes, they hoped Democrats. They're messaging the past several 367 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: weeks has been ignore the president if he says go out, 368 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: keep staying home. I'm paraphrasing. So the fact that they're 369 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: having this election, I do not understand it. Max. Why 370 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,479 Speaker 1: are they having this election? And the question really is 371 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: why when there are better means for holding this election. 372 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 1: This is obviously a very high profile election for both sides. 373 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 1: There's a state Supreme Court race that's up. UH. It's 374 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: conservative incumbent Daniel Kelly running against the liberal challenger Jill Karlovski, 375 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: and that winner will essentially have a deciding vote on 376 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 1: a decision about whether to strip about ten percent of 377 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: Wisconsin's voters off the voter rolls for November. So there's 378 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: huge stakes here. The challenge is the Democrats and the 379 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: governor in Wisconsin have said they want to do absentee 380 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 1: voting by mail, send everyone a ballot and just have 381 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: a mail it in Republikins in the state legislature resisted, 382 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: vast took it all the way to the U. S. 383 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: Supreme Court, which said the election could go in the 384 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: middle of coronavirus. Uh, we have these Wisconsinites in the 385 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: middle of the coronavirus pandemic going into crowded polling places 386 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: to go vote, and we've seen the lines are just terrifying. 387 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: I really am confused by that. I don't understand why, 388 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: in the middle of all of this that they're deciding 389 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: to still have this. It just seems very dangerous. It 390 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: seems risky, it seems counterintuitive. It seems almost as nonsensical 391 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: as those knuckleheads teenager spring breakers on the beaches not 392 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: to go. That's to hold an election, not the people 393 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: who want to vote, but that the hold an election. 394 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 1: It's just I don't I don't get that. I I 395 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: I really don't get that. But talk to us when 396 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: you're having conversations with Democrats. Just give us an update 397 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: on and how how has the Biden campaign been preparing 398 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 1: for a general election? What are you hearing about the conventions? 399 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: I mean, just give us a snapshot of where we 400 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 1: are on that front. Well, it looks like now even 401 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: if we've talked now about delaying the Democratic Convention, it's 402 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 1: been pushed back. It's looking increasingly like with Joe Biden's blessing, 403 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: this maybe a really stripped down affair that's done largely online, 404 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: which is going to be a unique challenge for how 405 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: do you get the message out for the Democratic Party 406 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: without the benefit of this big tent pole event. Twenty 407 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 1: six million people tuned in last time to see Hillary 408 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: Clinton and huh Kim Kaine take on Donald Trump and 409 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: take the nomination. We might not have that opportunity this 410 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: time going to be you know, I don't buy this this. 411 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: Let's can we talk? Can we can we like? Can 412 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: we have this out? By the way, Max Max Burns. 413 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: Max Burns would always text me after the show. If 414 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: he would say things like, oh, I have to go home. 415 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 1: I made all of this food, I baked all this spread. 416 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: This is pretty pandemic, folks. He would literally be baking 417 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: up a storm. And I'm thinking to myself, well, why 418 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: doesn't he ever bring food to the studio, Like what 419 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: is what is this? He's just gonna tell us all 420 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: about the food bags. We'll listen up, Max, this whole pandemic. 421 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: I've been cooking like a king. I've got meat balls, 422 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: I've got Eastern bread that my sister sent me from 423 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: back home. I got corn bread with hallapeeno peppers and bacon, 424 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: and then of zucchini bread, you name it. I've cooked it, 425 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: and I'm sick. I'm cooking. I'm so sick of it. 426 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 1: I'm so sick of it. My hands hurt from the 427 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: bleach and the there's I've cooked enough anyway back to this, 428 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: but I want to I want to lighten it up 429 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: a little bit while we await for the President to 430 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 1: start his daily Coronavirus Task Force briefing. They're no more 431 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: going to have a downsized convention. It's not like they're 432 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: gonna like tweet out a statement. They could do this 433 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 1: high end. You don't need a lot. When I think 434 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: of the prime time shows, I mean, they don't have 435 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: a massive crowd. You're gonna have to do without the 436 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: crowd likely, But they could have the bells and whistles 437 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: of of a major a major convention affair, you know 438 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: what I mean, you absolutely could. And that's why these 439 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: digital organizers and the sort of younger campaign specialists in 440 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party are suddenly stepping up to the front. 441 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: They know how to run these operations, how to make 442 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: a compelling digital presence that looks big and full even 443 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: though it's done in someone's basement, And and they're really 444 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: coming into demand from these campaigns that are still trying 445 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: to get a mass message across when people are really 446 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 1: focused on, you know, staying healthy. All right, So what's 447 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: the messaging? How does that's the bells and whistles, But 448 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: in terms of the messaging, how is how is the 449 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: pandemic impacted? How Biden's not how he's physically going to campaign, 450 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: but how he's what the campaign message will be. The 451 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 1: Biden campaign has actually come out with some compelling ads 452 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: that they've released on TV and on the Internet showing 453 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 1: the progression sort of Donald Trump denying and minimizing coronavirus 454 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: up through when the depths began and saying I have 455 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: I bear no responsibility at all. And those have been 456 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 1: very effective, I think among the focus groups and the 457 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: target audiences they're looking for. But eventually, as we do 458 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: start getting back into normal, we're going to have to 459 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: go back to talking about the economy, about jobs, about 460 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: health care, which I think now it's a lot sharper 461 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 1: in most voters opinions and in their minds than it 462 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: was maybe six months ago. Well, I mean, we're heading 463 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 1: likely for a recession. And I mean, and so even 464 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: where we are in the summer or as we head 465 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: into um UH in terms of where we head into 466 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: really really matters on that front. And just the new uh, 467 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: the new headline on the on the terminal is the 468 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 1: Trump team perhaps plans to reopen the economy that depends 469 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: on testing the why houses, developing plans to get the 470 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 1: U S economy back in action that depends on testing 471 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: far more Americans for coronavirus than has been possible to date. 472 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 1: According to people familiar with the matter, of the effort 473 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: would likely begin in smaller cities and towns and states 474 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: that haven't yet been heavily hit by the virus. Cities 475 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: such as New York, Detroit, New Orleans, and other places 476 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 1: the President has described as hotspots, would remain shuttered. This 477 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 1: is a team effort on on the Bloomberg reporting front, 478 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: because that's really what we had all been talking to 479 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: people about today. It's this notion that other the parts 480 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: of the country are going to get to be reopened, 481 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: I mean, and that's they've been looking. In addition to 482 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: how hotspots in the United States have been doing, they've 483 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: also been looking at countries that have reopened, including China. 484 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: And we should note that all of China was not 485 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: shut down during uh when they were going through the 486 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: original spikes of this out of Wuhan um. Not every 487 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: city was shut down in China. So I think it's 488 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: gonna be difficult just from a from a messaging standpoint, 489 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: both from the President's perspective but also from Biden World's 490 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: perspective to almost you're gonna have competing economic, geographical messages. 491 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: It's not even gonna be sector base, it's gonna be 492 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: geographically based, right. Yeah. And more than anything, I think 493 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: there's coronavirus has really reshuffled how we think about these 494 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: voter blocks and voter demographics that some campaign shops have 495 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: spent tens of millions of dollars trying to target down 496 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: to the phrase that will move them. And now we've 497 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: seen something that people, uh certainly underestimated that is completely 498 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: changing what issues are resonant with voters. And also you 499 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: know how how broad voters are willing to think. We 500 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: have universal basic income being discussed by Mitt Romney, which 501 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: is something I never thought I would say in my life. Well, 502 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: I mean I think that there's there's definitely there's definitely 503 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: a an understanding that uh, I mean the data and 504 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a dork, right, but the data clearly 505 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: illustrates that low income and middle class Americans are being 506 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: disproportionately impacted from an economic standpoint as a result of 507 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen. That's not opinium, that's not class warfare. That's 508 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: the reality. That's the data that if you are a 509 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: small business owner or you work for a small business 510 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: or a medium sized company, I mean, it's it's it's awful. 511 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's really no other way to say it. 512 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: We just got the word from a two minute warning 513 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: for President Trump's Daily Coronavirus Task Force Briefing, and Dr 514 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: fauci Um has already come out. Uh so we're gonna 515 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: if I interrupt you, Max, it's because we're going to 516 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: throw to the President's Daily Coronavirus Task Course Briefing, which 517 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: of course will carry here on Bloomberg. But it is 518 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: I think, you know, bit perplexing to just hear about 519 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: how has been upended. I mean like when you think 520 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: just a couple just a month ago, we were all 521 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: at the debates, we're all covering the debates, and then 522 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: now you know it's no one knows