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Speaker 1: She came into the game with Paul Prince and platinum plaques.

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Speaker 1: The first Lady of Rough Riders. Eve's story doesn't end

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Speaker 1: at Bars and Bravado. It unfolds into a global reinvention,

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Speaker 1: international love, motherhood, healing legacy. Is she still even you, hi, baby?

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Speaker 1: If you still have the same It's funny because one

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Speaker 1: of the main things when I think about talking to

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Speaker 1: you today, I'm like, oh, Eva's had so many evolutions

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Speaker 1: of herself, so many seasons that we've witnessed, some expected,

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Speaker 1: some unexpected. But you're really but your essence and your

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Speaker 1: personality and your spirit has always been the same. I'm

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Speaker 1: just goofy, I'm just me.

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Speaker 2: I'm thank you for saying that, because I do think.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely I get bored.

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Speaker 2: So I do a lot of stuff. I say yes

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Speaker 2: to a lot of stuff. I walk through a lot

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Speaker 2: of doors. But I am me honestly, I don't feel like,

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Speaker 2: like you said, I feel like that part of who

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Speaker 2: So people wouldn't expect that, because then because the packaging

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Speaker 2: that comes and has through all the different periods, it's

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Definitely, Yes, we're gonna go through a little tiny capsule, right,

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Speaker 1: is that what we're doing, Brittany. Okay, We're gonna go

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Speaker 1: through a little tiny capsule of some of those moments

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Speaker 1: and we'll see what that brings up for you. Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, where are we starting? This is the first

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Speaker 1: time I met her. Yes, I don't know, this is

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Speaker 3: Okay, So this is the Sprite commercial that we shot

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Speaker 3: in ninety Yeah, yeah, I was like this is it

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Speaker 3: was a five deadly Vendom's Spide commercial.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I was. I had maybe been on one thing

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Speaker 1: in my whole I think I had done Ladies Night

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Speaker 1: for me to eat me around this whole environment. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you were fresh too. I was fresh. I was

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Speaker 1: baby what y'all want had just come out, and I

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Speaker 2: With almost slightly envious like it was so fire.

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Speaker 1: Actually, you just felt that this is going to be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, you know what's funny, Like I don't

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Speaker 1: Like he was like, nah, this is out of here,

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Speaker 2: Just like just happy to be there, like I got

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Speaker 2: then being on that that commercial was it was so great, right,

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Speaker 2: that commercial was great. It went a lot of I

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Speaker 2: was about to say it was that was Hollywood. That

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Speaker 1: Uh, we were jumping off a building. Yeah. It was crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah for a commercial for a commercial, for a commercial.

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Speaker 1: That was that was my first time too. We was

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Speaker 1: This is so dope. It's dope. It's a lot lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was on I think it was on Universal.

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Speaker 2: Well visually, yeah, definitely, this was me, like this was

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Speaker 1: I was artist.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't artist Eve. I was just Eve the rapper.

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Speaker 1: Sitcoms and shows and talk shows and but really the

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be here without coming through Rough Riders period,

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Speaker 2: without them, Like I always say thank you to Dean

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Speaker 2: because they were really my coaches.

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Speaker 1: They really were my coaches, and it was hard coming

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Speaker 2: I was hustling with all of them, and I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Hustling in the studio, Like if we were in the studio,

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Speaker 1: Like it wasn't like I like baby.

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Speaker 2: So they saw that lyrically, I can like stand up

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Speaker 2: Was navigating and thriving both of us, like real and

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Speaker 1: You just used to being with God Like I was

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Speaker 2: I honestly, I was a girly tomboy because I still

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Speaker 1: It's funny because when like later on years after my career,

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Speaker 2: of like having anxiety and no.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, that never came. We've never discussed anxiety, never.

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Speaker 2: Discussed, right, And but I you know, now I look

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Speaker 1: That anxiety. Yeah, yeah, it that's interesting. I never thought

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Speaker 1: And as a woman, you've like extra oh extra hard

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I used to walk into rooms and like

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Speaker 1: You've chosen it for life down me on there but overseas.

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Speaker 1: Him, it helped me do better work. Because he's a

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Speaker 2: But beyond that, people who know me, who know me intimately,

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Speaker 2: I'm not woo woo. I'm like one woo. So you

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Speaker 1: You've done the work. I do the work. Yeah, nobody

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Speaker 2: I don't know who's watching this, right, but somebody needed

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Speaker 1: And then I'm like, nah, you be right, who's that?

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Speaker 1: But isn't that crazy how you have to sit down

436
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 1: to another thing we have in common?

437
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:53,719
Speaker 2: Man.

438
00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,000
Speaker 1: I always talk about this time in my life, especially

439
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,080
Speaker 1: on the pod. I had this car accident. I had

440
00:20:58,080 --> 00:20:59,280
Speaker 1: to sit down for a couple of months, and all

441
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 1: of a sudden, when you got that quiet time.

442
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,960
Speaker 2: All things start seeping in because you ain't got a

443
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 2: way to go, see you're gonna go.

444
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,680
Speaker 1: That's a scary time.

445
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 2: Though it's scary, Like it gives me butterflies thinking about

446
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 2: that now, because as much as I do want to

447
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 2: I do work and whatever me sitting still is still hard.

448
00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 2: I still don't really know how to do that with

449
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,440
Speaker 2: my own kind of like Okay, guys, I'm gonna take

450
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 2: this moment, like you know, I still.

451
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 1: Don't know how to do that. It's interesting, But what

452
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,399
Speaker 1: did you learn in that time about yourself? Oh? My god?

453
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,680
Speaker 1: Change shifting a lot.

454
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:38,200
Speaker 2: It allowed me to be like, think about the things

455
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,639
Speaker 2: I want to, think about the things I didn't want anymore,

456
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 2: think about the ways that I wanted.

457
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,399
Speaker 1: To move, what I really who I really.

458
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 2: Wanted to be, and my showing up authentically like me

459
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,680
Speaker 2: or am I showing up because this is what I'm

460
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,120
Speaker 2: supposed to be doing because people told me I'm supposed

461
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 2: to do this, because you can't stop because if you stop,

462
00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 2: like they don't forget.

463
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 1: About you, if you know what I mean.

464
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,879
Speaker 2: I mean, Like, there was so much of that, especially

465
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 2: back in the day. It was so much of like, nah,

466
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 2: we gotta do this, would you crazy? We gotta do this,

467
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:10,119
Speaker 2: like we gotta do Scared of saying no. I was

468
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,399
Speaker 2: scared of the word no, like I cannot say no.

469
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 1: So, yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, but I get that. But

470
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 1: you weren't such a you were in such a whirlwind

471
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 1: of like just success. It was nuts. Yeah, it's like

472
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 1: you're run was crazy. It was nuts. And when it happened,

473
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,439
Speaker 1: it happened. No, it happened, and it happens. What do

474
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 1: you think that? Do you think of that?

475
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 2: Like?

476
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 1: What is the pinnacle of that? I don't even know.

477
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 2: I mean, like, you know, the earlier a little while ago,

478
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 2: I was talking about some of the new the songs

479
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 2: and some of the moments, and I'm like, you don't

480
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 2: have time in that time to be like, oh the

481
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 2: song did this?

482
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 1: Are we charting over here? Oh? That's it.

483
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 2: It's because it's always like, congratulations what we're doing next,

484
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 2: Congratulations getting the studio, Congratulations we need this next record,

485
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 2: So you really have no time. When I think back

486
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 2: on it now, it is crazy.

487
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 1: Like I'm I.

488
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 2: Said this to my co writer after the book as well,

489
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 2: like when I did the audio book, call who's that girl?

490
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 2: If you haven't got it, you should go get it.

491
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 1: It's really good.

492
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 2: I called her after I did the audiobook and was like, yo,

493
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,199
Speaker 2: I'm proud of myself. Never had a chance in my

494
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 2: life to sit and think about all the shit. One

495
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 2: that I've accomplished, but two that I went through, got

496
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,719
Speaker 2: through and was like, oh, damn, I'm actually fucking stronger

497
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 2: than I thought, even though I knew I was because

498
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 2: I was going through it, you know, but you don't

499
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 2: get time to patch yourself on the back, you know.

500
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, I really was like, damn, I'm really proud

501
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 2: of me.

502
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that.

503
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 2: I always said people everybody should write their own memoir yep,

504
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 2: because it gives you that whether you publish it or

505
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 2: put it out or not. It was like, it gives

506
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 2: you that moment to really look at your life from

507
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 2: up top yep, and it will show you like because

508
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 2: I think as humans, we just are designed and built

509
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 2: in a way that we who has time. Nobody has

510
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 2: time to sit and do that. But if you did

511
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 2: do that, it lets you know you're and you're in

512
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 2: a much better place than you thought you were.

513
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: Hopefully. Yeah, for sure. Take you back to that time though,

514
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: when you were saying, like you learned how to like

515
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: even in your relationship, like you were shedding that hard

516
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: girl because listen, the hard Girl show. We know, too

517
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: many people know what we are talking about that we

518
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: don't even have to get specific about what it is.

519
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: They know what it is. So when you're taking that

520
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 1: shell off, I don't know what is the scariest part

521
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,959
Speaker 1: of it? What what helps you land?

522
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 2: Just honestly being I think we're all scared of really

523
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 2: being seen vulnerably. It's the vulnerability we say the word,

524
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 2: we say the word.

525
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 1: I don't know.

526
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 2: I've never been really comfortable with her, you know, and

527
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 2: that is scary. That is so scary, and just like

528
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes you want to be a mess, but

529
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 2: she just like, is it gonna land right? You know?

530
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 1: And I do again. You know, I'm.

531
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 2: Lucky because I mean, my husband is very British, so

532
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 2: he can definitely be dry.

533
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 1: And cold child. There's times where I'm like, you are

534
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 1: so damn.

535
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 2: But then there are times when I'm really he surprises

536
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 2: me and I feel like that helps. And then again,

537
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 2: the other thing that I discovered is really leaning back

538
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 2: into my friendships because I lost a lot of that

539
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 2: traveling and being on the road, Like you know, you

540
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 2: don't really have those connections my family, Like this time

541
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 2: on the road is you know, I'm on tour and

542
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, my baby, which is crazy but amazing.

543
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 2: My brother is on tour with me. My mother's coming

544
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 2: on tour with me.

545
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: Like I would have never.

546
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 2: I would have never back then I couldn't even think

547
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 2: of that. But now I'm like, I want them with me.

548
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 2: I kind of crave it, you know. So that helps

549
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 2: as well. I think you know, people who kind of

550
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 2: hold up this strong wall or this strong.

551
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: Like sense of self, you forget that.

552
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 2: You hopefully have people you can kind of be like, yo,

553
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 2: I kind of I just want to talk.

554
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: I just want to giggle. I just want to hang out,

555
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. What is the key to that?

556
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: To like long Do you have a lot of long

557
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: term friends like friends? Yeah, dude.

558
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: I actually saw last night one of my friends who

559
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 2: I haven't seen in a long time, but I've known

560
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 2: her since we were like eleven, Like she came and

561
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 2: saw me last night. That was the best thing, Like

562
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 2: so nice the last few shows I've been seeing people.

563
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 2: I have some friends that now will just because you know,

564
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: we got we're older, now, we got babies.

565
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 1: Some of us got babies.

566
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 2: I have some new mom friends. That's a whole of

567
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 2: the yo. It's like a sitcom. It's like as they come.

568
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 2: And because I'm in London as well, so I'm the

569
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 2: only mom like me, it said nursery, there's not many

570
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 2: rappers get through the door. So yeah, that's a whole

571
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 2: other thing. But the way it's a listen, it's crazy.

572
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 2: But at the same time, it's almost like wow because

573
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 2: being a mom, I also I have discovered it's the

574
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 2: best thing. Especially in the early times. It's the it's

575
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 2: the loneliest, busiest time of your life. What because I

576
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 2: feel like you're so insulated with this little person and

577
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: you're doing this thing you've never done before, and you

578
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 2: the baby's NonStop.

579
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 1: But really it's just you.

580
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 2: And that baby in the house or walking around the street,

581
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 2: walking around the block, even if people coming in out.

582
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're lucky enough to like have a

583
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 2: whole ton of family like me, I was obviously in London,

584
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 2: no family whatever. I just feel like it's a really Also,

585
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 2: you're vulnerable. You the most vulnerable, the most vulnerable. You

586
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 2: don't know what you're doing. They let you leave with

587
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: this human child at the three days.

588
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: In the hospital and you're like, ain't nobody come in

589
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: with us? Like this is literally the day. Well, I said,

590
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: they're just gonna let us leave. My husband's like it's our.

591
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 2: Child, like yes, like we have to take our child home.

592
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my god, like it's a

593
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 2: good crase. I'm gonna mess this up up.

594
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: It's so funny. But he has had kids before, yes,

595
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: so it's different. It's a bit of no. But and ain't.

596
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: I was like, how did you have four kids? But

597
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: it's because his it's been years since he's.

598
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 2: Done the infant thing, like all my bonus kids are

599
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 2: all down twenties, teenage and then then they would teenage

600
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 2: and whatever. So he was just like, wow, this is

601
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: a lot. I was like, don't you know how to

602
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 2: do this? I was counting on you, Like but yeah,

603
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 2: it's a crazy time.

604
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're probably a great mom, and you you are.

605
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: I am a mother, nona, I am a helicopter mother.

606
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: I am one of them.

607
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 2: This boy, I'm trying not to make him a spoil brat.

608
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: But is it happening? How you doing with that? I'm

609
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: doing It's not good. I'm not succeeding. He is, but

610
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: he's the best.

611
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 2: Thing, Like he truly truly is my homeboy, like my

612
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: best the bestie bestie, and he makes me laugh, like

613
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: that's great.

614
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: What is what is motherhood taught? What was the biggest

615
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: best lesson you've learned so far about motherhood. Oh, that's

616
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: a good question.

617
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: Best lesson I've learned so far about motherhood? No, you

618
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,479
Speaker 2: know what, I think it's a it's it's a teacher.

619
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: It teaches you.

620
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: I think I feel like he's my little Tea's like

621
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: my teacher in a way, because again, like I don't

622
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 2: want to carry things into the way I raised him,

623
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 2: the way I was raised. But when certain things happen,

624
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: like if there's a tantrum or something, I find myself

625
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 2: going back to what I know. If i'm I grew

626
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 2: up in a screaming household like you know, and I

627
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 2: grew up in a adult because I said so kind

628
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 2: of thing, you know, which I feel like you do

629
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: need a little bit of that because they need to

630
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: respect you. But I also want you know, I'm never

631
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 2: gonna be a gentle parent. I don't think that's for

632
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: me and I don't think that's for him. But I

633
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: want to find a common ground because I want my

634
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: kids to be able to come to me with stuff.

635
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: So I think he's just he's my little teacher. Oh yeah,

636
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: I love that man.

637
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 2: What about marriage? What have you learned about that? You

638
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 2: said eleven eleven years? Right, you've been eleven years married. Yeah,

639
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 2: that is child. I'd be like, we stay together. No,

640
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: marriage is hard. Marriage is hard. Marriage say that, but

641
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 2: what does that mean.

642
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: It's because you.

643
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 2: Are living with another whole ass human that got their

644
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 2: own shit and that you sometimes are like, I don't

645
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 2: want to deal with your jit, but I choose.

646
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: To every day. It's a choice.

647
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: I feel like marriage is a choice if you're doing

648
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 2: it with the right person you made. You know, if

649
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 2: you guys can communicate when we're really good at that,

650
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 2: when we are not all the time, you know, and

651
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: when you're changing. I think motherhood changes you as a woman.

652
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 2: And men don't have to change that much. There's not

653
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: much that they have to do, I think, and that's

654
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: hard for them. And then that becomes a whole different

655
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 2: thing because now this person, as you're learning who you

656
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 2: are as a mom, they're learning who you There's a

657
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: whole nother woman that has emerged for them.

658
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: It's it's hard, you know, you really have to.

659
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 2: You really have to communicate. It sounds cliche, but it's true.

660
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: That's interesting. So you had to like learn how to

661
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: be a wife, Yeah, but then you also had to

662
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: learn learn how to be a mother inside of your

663
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: marriage also, like a different version of yourself, even with

664
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,959
Speaker 1: bonus kids like my step kids. That even was like,

665
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: that's a learning curve. So yeah, I think you know,

666
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: marriage is hard.

667
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: It's great. It is great if you're doing it with

668
00:31:54,760 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 2: the right person. But well, yeah, he's a good man,

669
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 2: he really is.

670
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: How did you know it was him?

671
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: I don't know, he will say, like it's funny. No,

672
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: I'll say this because I'm not a romantic. He's a romantic,

673
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 2: But I will say the moment I met him, I

674
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: was like who is he? In a way that I

675
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: never felt before, Like in a way that I was

676
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: like what does he do.

677
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:19,959
Speaker 1: When he wakes up?

678
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 2: And the like I wanted to just sew everything, And yeah,

679
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 2: I was fascinated, Like why, I don't know what. He's

680
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 2: a chill dude, Like he really is a chill, laid

681
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 2: back and I think maybe what it could be now

682
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: I'm really thinking about it, especially coming from hip hop.

683
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 2: Everything's on show, I'm gonna show you everything I'm gonna

684
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 2: tell you, everything I'm about to do for you, Like

685
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 2: there was a quiet confidence that I was like, you know

686
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like I was like, mystery, what's going on?

687
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: That works? That works? That works? And he wasn't flashy or.

688
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 2: Anything like, Yeah, it's not him, it's not his thing,

689
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 2: it's not his thing.

690
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: So that intrigued him. Yeah, definitely. There's a difference between

691
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: being interested in being intrigued by somebody and then making

692
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: a commitment live your life with them. We I mean

693
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: he I will say this too. He definitely pursued me.

694
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 2: I think when I met him, I was in a

695
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: space I had stopped dating, and one of my homeboys

696
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 2: that came to my wedding told me, and I don't

697
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: remember I didn't remember this, but he hugged me at

698
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 2: my wedding and he said, yo. He was like, you

699
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: told me you were you were sick of dating, and

700
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 2: you said the next dude that you date is when

701
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: me your husband? Like, and I was like did I

702
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 2: And I was and my friend said to me, YEA,

703
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 2: like I guess I said this, but I wanted someone

704
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: to come get me like I was in I was

705
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: doing these situationships where it was like, let's just see

706
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: what happens, pecially because I was living in La, so

707
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: every dude.

708
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: Was let's just see what happens. Yo, I like you,

709
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: you like me? Oh God, don't even give you. You

710
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: feel like you want to throw up right now, but.

711
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,239
Speaker 2: Let's just yo, it's good right now, like all that.

712
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 2: So I was dealing with all that, and finally I

713
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: was like, you know what, I'm so so over it.

714
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm sick of dating, Like I just want

715
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: to I want something serious and grown up.

716
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: I just want something grown up. And I met him.

717
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: We had we spent a week together on his this rally.

718
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 2: I was driving on this rally, this thing that he does,

719
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 2: and he called me after and was like, yo, I'm

720
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: flying to LA And I was like, oh why, Like

721
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 2: he was like to see you, and I was like,

722
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 2: oh okay. And from that time, you feel like we

723
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: I mean, we weren't apart over that, yeah, because he

724
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 2: was like I don't know what this is going to be.

725
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: And I actually tried to say to him like, well

726
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: I'm talking to a few people.

727
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: We figure it out, and he.

728
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: Was like, okay, well when you're done, you should call me,

729
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 2: and I was like, hello.

730
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 1: Like I never had a man saying.

731
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 2: Like he really was like a mature adult, and I

732
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 2: was like wow, okay, and that that again was intriguing.

733
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, so good for you. Yeah, those games

734
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: there're so big in that cycle right now. Oh my god,

735
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: what do you say? What is your advice to that

736
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: version of you that still with the let's just see

737
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 1: how this goes guys.

738
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 2: Well, that's you know what, that's a part of me

739
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 2: that was still I think trying to hold on to

740
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,479
Speaker 2: the armor of being you know, ah.

741
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: I can date like a dude. No you can't, No,

742
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: you can't. That really takes.

743
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 2: A toll As a woman, it takes a toll on you.

744
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: So I think that I would say, you know, just

745
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 2: let go. It's okay, Like you deserve what you want.

746
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: Let go. I love that. And you didn't resist. You

747
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: didn't resist the change, because sometimes we hold on. I

748
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: think I was ready though, Okay, I was ready. I

749
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: was ready.

750
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: I was still like, I still was slightly, but I

751
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 2: knew when I stopped dating is when I was like

752
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 2: I'm ready you already. Yeah, I was ready. So he

753
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 2: came in the right time. He did the timing is good, yeah,

754
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 2: because sometimes we hold on to another old version of ourselves,

755
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 2: especially you who, like you had the success. People look

756
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 2: at you a certain way.

757
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: They expect this from your career, they expect this from

758
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: the type of person maybe you would date. You don't

759
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: seem to like play along with any of those rules. Nah,

760
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: I try not to. I have internal battles.

761
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I definitely have internal but it's like

762
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: even you know, when I first started dating, the first

763
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,959
Speaker 2: year was kind of weird.

764
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: Because I was like, you know, he's white. Yeah, I

765
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: come from hip hop, I gotta go to Did you

766
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: not notice that until you were married? Like this? This

767
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: is not what I mean.

768
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 2: No, the first year it was like one of those

769
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 2: things where it was just like, oh do I because

770
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 2: people I have people say to me like when I

771
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: would bring in this, I don't marry him, Like I'm like,

772
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 2: but why not? Like but then I was like, oh,

773
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: maybe I don't know. So I had some internal stuff,

774
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 2: but the way that I felt, the happiness that I

775
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 2: felt it overrode all that shit, like you know, and

776
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: and then I start being like like, well this supposed

777
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 2: this dumb shit, this is like these are like these

778
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,720
Speaker 2: aren't even your real things. These are this is outside stuff, yes,

779
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: and that that was That's what I was gonna ask you.

780
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: Is now in a world where there's so much outside stuff,

781
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 2: oh my god, more than ever outside stuff, especially when

782
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: when some things that people think warrant an opinion.

783
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but even into racial dating warrants so many

784
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 1: things and things, and that was probably didn't really kick

785
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: until after you were already in this relationship.

786
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but once we started posting, like Instagram kind of

787
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 2: was just kind of we would get some crazy stuff,

788
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 2: like crazy and I'm like, I cannot believe people will

789
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 2: fix their little thumbs and.

790
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: Be like crazy stuff. Wow.

791
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 2: Thankfully, you know it's been it's been a while. There's

792
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 2: like one or two still it's got to get boring

793
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: for them.

794
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: At some point. Yeah, yeah, but it's gotten better. Would

795
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: have much better, much better.

796
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: Most, I mean most most people are celebratory of both

797
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 2: of us. Like his following, He was like, I never

798
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: thought I had so many black women follow me, like

799
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 2: on my socials, Like it's so funny, Like they'd be

800
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: like paybacks, like going out, Like it's so funny.

801
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: But I love that. Yeah, that's cute. That's really cute.

802
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: How do you navigate that with your child now, because

803
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: he is going to be in a world where he's

804
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: living in both worlds.

805
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, we started talking about it because he started looking

806
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: at skin color. He started talking about skin color. I'm

807
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: looking at my skin like that daddy's skin. And the

808
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 2: other day he told my mom, like, we had just

809
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: come back from vacation and he has this little farmer tan,

810
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 2: so like in the middle.

811
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: He's still a little creamy, but then he's like rotisserie

812
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: on that side. So he said to my mom, was like, oh,

813
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 1: you got a tan, and he's.

814
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 2: Like, yes, I'm mixed up, Like I'm mixed up because

815
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: of Mama and Dada and meaning like because we've told

816
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: him like, you're the best parts of Mama.

817
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: Your best parts of Dada.

818
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 2: So he's we're starting to have those conversations.

819
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: He's still so young.

820
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 2: But you know, one big thing for me and me

821
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: and my husband talking about this is like, you know,

822
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: I don't ever want him to feel othered because his

823
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 2: siblings are very blonde, blue eye or brown one, you know,

824
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 2: but they look a different way than him. And not

825
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 2: that he feels that now in any way, but as

826
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,240
Speaker 2: he gets older, and becomes a teenager. Well, those things

827
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: might come up and you know, at school, so we'll

828
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: just have to stay on it. You know, I don't

829
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: know right now. It's you know, he's he's happy, it's fine,

830
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: and he's so cute.

831
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: How's he doing on tour?

832
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 2: Because he's on tour with you, let me tell you

833
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: how I think he's going to come back? I said,

834
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 2: I was trying not to spoil him. But production is

835
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 2: given him all kinds of toys. He just got a

836
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: giant car yesterday, a giant Dinosa. He's not gonna want

837
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: to come home.

838
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: So he's a tour based toy. Baby.

839
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 2: I had so many questions I didn't even go through it.

840
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 2: Now I have to make sure I get to some

841
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: stuff because of our time, But I do want to

842
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 2: go back to like the.

843
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: You not being afraid to evolve. Pivots, so many pivots

844
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: in your right. That's like one of my favorite words,

845
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,439
Speaker 1: is it? Yeah, why are you?

846
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: Because that's how I feel, That's what I feel. It's

847
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 2: a it's a pivot. It's a pivot, and I believe

848
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 2: in the pivot. Are you aware of them when they're

849
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 2: happening or yeah, just after it happens now. I'm aware,

850
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 2: I'm aware, but it's usually again it's a it's an

851
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: internal I have this thing of like this is the

852
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 2: right thing?

853
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: Is this the right thing?

854
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 2: But then I'm always like, lean into it because if

855
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 2: I'm feeling fearful in a way, if I'm feeling a

856
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 2: way that I'm like, hmm, if it's more excitement than fear,

857
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: lean into it. Yeah that's your rule. Yeah, has it

858
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 2: ever backfired or not gone? Well, no, thank god, I'm

859
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 2: gonna go hug a tree when I leave it.

860
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: So it's worked for you, thank god, thank god.

861
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 2: But then again, I also I also am a believer

862
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 2: that you know, if it doesn't.

863
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: And and no, because I do yes and no.

864
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: So like, for instance, if something flops or if it

865
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 2: doesn't do as good, I still learn something from it.

866
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 2: And I am and I sound so cliche and like

867
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 2: dulous reasons.

868
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: Everything has reason.

869
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 2: But I truly do believe that, like I really truly

870
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 2: truly do.

871
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: It's because it's because it's really true.

872
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: It's really true, it really But some people think it's

873
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 2: like you know, a little woo woo, but ain't.

874
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: I think there's a moment too in all of our lives. Well,

875
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: we always have to pivot throughout our whole lives. But

876
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: there are times where you're the confusion comes as like

877
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: am I quitting or giving up on something too soon? Yes?

878
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: Or am I shifting into something new? Yeah? How do

879
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: you know? That's hard? That is that part is hard.

880
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: I think for me, when I'm in those moments, I

881
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: have to get quiet. Yeah. I sometimes I need a

882
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 1: loane time. Sometimes I'll do a day or trip by

883
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: myself if i feel something pulling on me, pulling on me,

884
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: but I'm not really ready to let go of whatever's

885
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: going on, and I'm confused about it. It's like, get quiet, yeah,

886
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: and just sit on it and meditate on it, pray

887
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: on it, because that's real. It'll show itself, that's real.

888
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 1: I do. I do a lot of prayer. I literally

889
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: it's so weird. I'm always in my head.

890
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: But I literally the other day said, because I'm I'm

891
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 2: a I pray to my angel's ancestors universe.

892
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: That's like my team, my tribe. You got a squad taught.

893
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 2: But I literally apologized. I was like, I know I'm

894
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 2: getting on your nerves today. I've been talking to you

895
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: all lot recently. But I believe it makes me feel

896
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 2: like I'm not alone. It helps me just feel better.

897
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 2: So I lean in into that a lot.

898
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: I lean into their prayer.

899
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that helps when you're in those moments trying to

900
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: figure out what's next.

901
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 1: But you've never been afraid to.

902
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:36,439
Speaker 2: Girl, I am, though it's it's a it's I think

903
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 2: by the time it happens, I have done so much

904
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 2: internal that it seems effortless. It seems effortless. Yeah, but

905
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 2: it's it's a lot.

906
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: It can be a lot.

907
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 2: Like I remember when you moved to loved it, but

908
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: what were you going to say?

909
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: No?

910
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 2: When I when I was on the talk and like

911
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 2: COVID happened and I was home for a long time

912
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 2: because of COVID, and I was like, I think it's

913
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 2: I think I need to leave the show. But I

914
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 2: was sad, like I was like, why am I leaving

915
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: something that I actually enjoyed?

916
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: That was weird.

917
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 2: But then I was like, I have to. I have

918
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 2: to if I want to have a kid, if I

919
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 2: want to like grow, mot ate like stuff like that.

920
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: I don't know, because you were in this relationship and

921
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 2: he's yeah, and we were trying to get pregnant and

922
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 2: like how we were doing every two we were doing two weeks,

923
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 2: every two weeks.

924
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 1: Back and forth. Yeah, so you liked that era of

925
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 1: you talk to your host. It was fun. I learned

926
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: a lot. I learned a lot. It was definitely it was.

927
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: It was different, but I did I honestly, I enjoyed it.

928
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 2: I honestly I enjoyed being around the women. You know.

929
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 2: I learned a lot about myself. I healed some stuff

930
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 2: which I never thought I would really. Yeah, because being

931
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 2: on that show, I had to open up and talk

932
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 2: about a lot of personal stuff that I didn't think when.

933
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 1: I took the job. That was the job.

934
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 2: I thought it was a lot of like today's topics,

935
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 2: say topics, but because they really those were women did

936
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 2: really get personal, and so I couldn't sit there at

937
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 2: the table not get personal. Talked a lot about my fertility,

938
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 2: which I never talked about before. I talked a lot

939
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 2: about my drinking, which I never talked about before, my

940
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 2: daddy issues, which I know, you know, So there were

941
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 2: things that I very like I started speaking about that

942
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 2: kind of was like, oh, Okay, this is something I

943
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 2: can dive into, this is something that I'm letting out.

944
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: That's healing me. I guess, yeah, yeah, good for you.

945
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: But then you have to walk away.

946
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was time. I think it was time. It

947
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: was time because I was. I did love it, I

948
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 2: actually was. I cried about that one I did. I

949
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 2: cried about them because I was like, am I doing

950
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,479
Speaker 2: the right thing? Am I quitting too soon?

951
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: Like? Literally?

952
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: But then I was like, I want to grow families.

953
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 2: Oh yes, that trumps everything.

954
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I was thinking. I was going through your

955
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: book and I saw the story about the paw prince right, yeah,

956
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: how your mom hated them at the beginning, and that

957
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: you were ready to get them taken off. Yep, and

958
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: your mother decided she actually liked, like, you can't do that.

959
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 2: That's part of you is how would people know who you?

960
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, Mom, you the same lady that was.

961
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: Like that is tacky. That was tacky. I can't believe

962
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: you did those paw prints up there. Yeah. No, she

963
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: was like, you cannot do that. But you didn't get

964
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: rid of them, No, I didn't. They're like a I mean,

965
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: they're like a birthmark. At this point. That's how I

966
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: feel about it now. I wonder if that's one little

967
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: piece of something that like just holds you kind of

968
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: in all the phases of your life. They're there. Yeah,

969
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: maybe so I don't know, or you don't even notice

970
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: them anymore, you don't even know. I don't even think

971
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:31,959
Speaker 1: about it. I don't.

972
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 2: I only think about it if I'm going to certain things,

973
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 2: if I'm going to certain events. Because my husband does

974
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: a lot of things, and we've been to places I

975
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 2: never thought I would probably.

976
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 1: Wind up at like bucking and Palace.

977
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: So that crazy because I was like, they, like, what

978
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: are you doing there? I was representing my husband's charity

979
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: and I got to meet the king and I was like, whoa,

980
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 2: So couldn't have the Paul prints out there?

981
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: No? I mean I could have. You know, you should have.

982
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: I should have. That's really funny. Okay, we got in

983
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: real life questions and a ball. You want to do

984
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: our ball questions for you?

985
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 2: I'm here, I'm down on the bowl's all right, so

986
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 2: I just reaching.

987
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 1: Oh it's so far from you. We both doing them.

988
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: She's just doing whatever. Whatever.

989
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 2: Let's see what you get a good One's see what

990
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 2: have you always wanted to do? But haven't that's a

991
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 2: good question. What have I always wanted? To do, but

992
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: haven't so like your bucket list, Yeah, that's on your

993
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 2: bucket list. Still there's a lot though, Like I do

994
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 2: want to still learn the language fluently. Which one That's

995
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 2: the thing I need to choose, like a lot of them.

996
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 2: Portuguese I love, I love Portuguese, Brazilian Portuguese. All Portuguese

997
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 2: is beautifulough anybody who actch it's all great. But Brazilian

998
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 2: Portuguese just sounds like singing to me. Italian would be sexy,

999
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:56,439
Speaker 2: that'd be great.

1000
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 1: What else?

1001
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 2: I want to learn an instrument. I want to learn

1002
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 2: how to play an instrument. I want a ranch. I

1003
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 2: was just talking about this. I want my friends who

1004
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: know me know that I've always been obsessed with goats

1005
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 2: and bees. So at some point, maybe a ranch with

1006
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 2: some goats and some bees, and I'll be giving you

1007
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,919
Speaker 2: some honey the next time I thought, I'm excited about it.

1008
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 2: On the scale of one to ten, even o happy

1009
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 2: are you today today?

1010
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: Oh?

1011
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 2: I don't like a scale. I don't know because I

1012
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 2: feel like it's boxing it up. I don't know, it's weird.

1013
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 2: I don't have a thing about that. I feel like

1014
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 2: that's my one move as well. That's part of my

1015
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 2: one move. It's almost like a jinx. What do you mean,

1016
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 2: because it's just living it. You don't you don't need

1017
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 2: to name it or label it or put a put

1018
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 2: a number on it, just be in it. It's my

1019
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 2: one move because I feel like you put a number

1020
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 2: on it, then tomorrow be goddamn.

1021
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: Two or one. I don't know. We're good, life's good.

1022
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: You don't want to label that. I don't want to

1023
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: label it.

1024
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 2: But you are happy, definitely happy, definitely like every day

1025
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 2: or most days, most days, most days most days, I mean,

1026
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 2: m I give myself one or two days of pity

1027
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 2: party because I'm human, so yeah, but most days.

1028
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. So if something's wrong or you're bothered by something,

1029
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:19,760
Speaker 1: you give yourself.

1030
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think that's important. I think, what does

1031
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 2: that look like? A pity party day?

1032
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: If I can?

1033
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 2: It depends like hopefully babies at nursery, and then I

1034
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,479
Speaker 2: get a date to myself and walk around quiet time.

1035
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 2: That is probably my most my quiet time, I walk.

1036
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: A lot and just think and think and think. Yeah,

1037
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: so that's like a self love day. That's not like

1038
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: a pity yeah.

1039
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that's a sself a pretty party day.

1040
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: It's poor me, the world's terrible. Oh yeah, that's no,

1041
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: I'm not so No.

1042
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 2: Maybe it's more of a self love because I'm not

1043
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 2: a very I don't do that a lot.

1044
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: I don't believe in.

1045
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 2: Leaning into the poor me, the world is tough, life

1046
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 2: is terrible because I always believe that you're the person

1047
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 2: that can change it. You're the person that you're the

1048
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 2: person that can flip it when you need to. So, yeah,

1049
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 2: I like self love. Maybe I'll start saying that.

1050
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: Self love thing. Yeah, what about your legacy? Eve? How

1051
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: often do you think about that? I don't ever know.

1052
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: Is it like a wu thing, like a scale thing?

1053
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 2: No, I just feel like I feel like I'm starting.

1054
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: I have a whole new life with my son. It's different,

1055
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 2: Like I know, there's a whole my music and things

1056
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 2: that I've done, But I also feel like I'm not

1057
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 2: done doing the things that I want to do, Like

1058
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 2: I you know, I want to write another book. I also,

1059
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 2: along with learning the language, I want to do some

1060
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 2: more TV stuff. I want to produce. I want to create.

1061
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: So that's hard.

1062
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 2: I'm not there yet.

1063
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't even think about it? Nah? Not yet? Really? No,

1064
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: what are you most proud of in your career? I'll

1065
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: say that instead of just legacy.

1066
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are some of the moments or the things

1067
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:58,760
Speaker 2: you big, big moments, accomplishments. Definitely a Grammy one hundred

1068
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 2: perc for Blow your Mind, because that's the one song

1069
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 2: that I wrote one hundred percent of everything. So that

1070
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 2: feels good, you know, being able to kind of I

1071
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 2: don't know, flip into TV.

1072
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: Kind of pivot, you know. And so you had a

1073
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: whole sitcom. Yeah, yeah, it was so good, by the way,

1074
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. This is so those are.

1075
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: Those are huge moments that I definitely look back on

1076
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:26,280
Speaker 2: and be like wow.

1077
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: And we were talking about this earlier. Is like one

1078
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: of the things that I think being a woman in

1079
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: hip hop, especially an artist, a rapper, it's like this,

1080
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: this comparison thing. Yes, like this, It's just horrible what happens.

1081
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 1: It's like a comparison curse. As soon as you become

1082
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: this figure, they want to compare you to other people.

1083
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: How did you never kind of fall victim to that

1084
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: or did you? Yeah?

1085
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 2: I think because I was so insulated with rough riders. Honestly,

1086
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 2: excuse me, I don't think I think they because They

1087
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 2: also allowed me to be so much in myself.

1088
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: I was very lucky with that.

1089
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 2: Like they never said to me, like, you see what

1090
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 2: Kim was doing, You see what Fox he was doing, you.

1091
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: See what this?

1092
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 2: I always was like, they kept me so me, They

1093
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 2: allowed me to just be me. Whatever I wanted to wear, whatever,

1094
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 2: however I wanted to show up, what I wanted to

1095
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 2: write about. I think that probably helped me a lot.

1096
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 2: I think it did because it did. You know, in

1097
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 2: certain meetings, Yes, people.

1098
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 1: Would say things about singles things like that, but because

1099
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: I was so insulated, I think I was fine, Yeah, yeah,

1100
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: that's really good, and that's something people should know. It's like,

1101
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: if you empower people and you support people about who

1102
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: they are, it just takes them so far as most

1103
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: as imagine you were in a group that was like yeah,

1104
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 1: like you said, you know Kim's doing this, you gotta

1105
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 1: be sexier or you gotta be If.

1106
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 2: Anything, they was trying to cover me up while I

1107
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 2: was trying to get me rougher out of vests all

1108
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 2: the time.

1109
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: This time he was like put this on, put this on.

1110
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: So like yeah, no, I I and not that anything's wrong,

1111
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: but that's him or whoever or Foxy Right, but it's

1112
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: like the it's just then evil of the cruel, what

1113
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: is the curse? The curse comparison, but it's also white.

1114
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's also why women back then, especially for me,

1115
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 2: like in the beginning, they weren't that friendly to me,

1116
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 2: like because in the the overall industry of it, like

1117
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 2: the execs and things like that, I think they were

1118
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 2: pitting us against each other, whereas I was just like

1119
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 2: happy to see everybody, like I thought we was gonna

1120
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 2: be the sisterhood.

1121
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: Like it was not like that really did that ever change?

1122
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, because as you get older, you know what I'm saying,

1123
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 2: You sit down and have a conversation and realize, oh,

1124
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 2: you got a Yorkie. I got a Yorkie too, Like

1125
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 2: you know, its just silly shit, silly girly shit like

1126
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 2: and then you're like, oh, we're just the like like

1127
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 2: or whatever. We got something in common.

1128
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you had some sisterhood. So were you a

1129
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 1: Missy book?

1130
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 2: Yes, we and Missy great, me and Trina great. Like

1131
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 2: that was instant like yeah, always great Latifa, always big

1132
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 2: sister like I was.

1133
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: I was very lucky, very very lucky. Like, yeah, you

1134
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: had some ones. Yeah, what about Swiss? I love that

1135
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: you guys we were talking about friendships before and how

1136
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: important like long term. I've heard Swiss talk about you

1137
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: in so many different periods of your life and you

1138
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: could tell there's just so much love and Swiss is

1139
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: the best. Swiss is really my brother. Like Swiss.

1140
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 2: It's so funny because we might not speak and something

1141
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 2: ran dumb, but it will be like aosis do you

1142
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 2: hear mother?

1143
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: Oosis? I need to kid or.

1144
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 2: Whatever like well, I'll hit Swiss like he's never not

1145
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 2: there somewhere at some point. And I love seeing his evolution.

1146
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,439
Speaker 2: I love seeing his evolution. And it all makes sense

1147
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 2: because talk about a pivot, like all the things that

1148
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 2: he does and him and Alicia do, but he does

1149
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 2: within between the art, jewelry, music, whatever, car cammels.

1150
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: Literally camels like come on.

1151
00:53:58,160 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 2: But I love that and I think that's something we

1152
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 2: always had in common as well. That's something that we've

1153
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 2: always been able to talk about. Is that kind of

1154
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 2: like yo, I'm over here, I'm over here, like you know,

1155
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 2: so yeah that in real life? What are some of

1156
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 2: what is your biggest pet peeve or trigger? Pet peeve

1157
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 2: or trigger or trigger Oh that's a good question. What's

1158
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 2: the big trigger for me?

1159
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: There's something you do not enjoy. I'll tell you one

1160
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: of my own. Yeah, I like when people are manipulative. Yes,

1161
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: and that goes that doesn't mean flagrantly, no, it's the

1162
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: subtle little manipulations of you said that because you want

1163
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: me to do this. You said this because you want

1164
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: that person. I don't like to watch people bully anybody. Yeah,

1165
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: I don't like manipulative people. Yeah. No, like, just just

1166
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: ask for what you want, just say it, like that's

1167
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: the thing for me. Yeah, so I wonder if you have.

1168
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 2: Some that one for sure, But in this business because

1169
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 2: you see it a lot. Oh my god, it's it's

1170
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 2: so annoying people who can't admit when they're wrong, Like

1171
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 2: I lock because I'm a person.

1172
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: Really, I'm my bad. Did I do that? My bad? Like,

1173
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,760
Speaker 1: oh you could say sorry, oh yeah, I think because

1174
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 1: let's just get over it.

1175
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 2: I'd rather also because it's awkward when you don't and

1176
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 2: like it's weird, like and I'm really awkward, like in

1177
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 2: real life, I am an awkward nerd, like when it

1178
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 2: comes to certain things. So yes, I can't stand like,

1179
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 2: please just just own up. People make mistakes. Nobody's fucking perfect.

1180
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: Tell me something you have You have recently owned up

1181
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: to ooh, something that you had to say sorry for. Yeah?

1182
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 2: Actually I had to say sorry yesterday because I was snippy, snappy,

1183
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 2: like I was like.

1184
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: I was just like, yeah, I need I need to

1185
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 1: like please just give me. Can you just get it?

1186
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 2: I was like, so I did say sorry about that

1187
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,720
Speaker 2: because I also like not bull. I don't believe anybody,

1188
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 2: but I don't like treating people. It's like almost getting

1189
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 2: like getting caught in a crossfire, like this is my

1190
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 2: energy and my mood. My bad, that's not you, like

1191
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 2: I'm I think that's important.

1192
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, So you apologize to somebody yesterday? Oh yeah yeah?

1193
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 2: Was it like my girl manager? You are, I'm my

1194
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 2: room manager.

1195
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: I was like, my bad, I know I was snippy, snapping.

1196
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:05,879
Speaker 2: He's like, nah, it's cool when we get the ship

1197
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 2: done right, Like you didn't take it personally, and sometimes

1198
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 2: most people don't if they know you, especially, but I

1199
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 2: do think it's important.

1200
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: I do own your ship. Definitely. I love that. That's

1201
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: a great lesson. Are you writing one more ball? Going

1202
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: to do one more ball? Oh? Yeah? Okay, okay, I think.

1203
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 2: What's one item on your bucket list you want to

1204
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 2: check off? Well, that's kind of like that one.

1205
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: Go to the next one, go to pick one. So

1206
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: you like one, you could pick five and pick whatever

1207
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: best one. Okay, perfect, Take whichever one you like. Oh

1208
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: that's a good one. Actually look at you and then

1209
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: pick your favorite one. Oh my god, he's good. Okay, okay,

1210
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: let me two. Let me let me see one more.

1211
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: That's it. That's let me see what I like for you.

1212
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 1: Let me see what I like for you. Okay, yeah,

1213
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: do that? Do I've rather that? Okay? All right?

1214
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 3: All right?

1215
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:53,439
Speaker 1: Because also I'm indecisive in real life? Are you? Oh gosh, yeah,

1216
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: are you indecisive? I can be with business stuff. I'm

1217
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: good like business. No, but like life stuff, i'd be like,

1218
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 1: am I indecisive? No? No, no, not your clothes. I'm

1219
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: a heard decider. I don't know if that's true. I

1220
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: always love this one. It's the one that everybody. I

1221
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: always stop on this one. Okay, I like this one.

1222
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: Try this one. Okay, Okay, you take that one. I'll

1223
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: hand you that. I saw that. That's a good one.

1224
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 2: Right, yes, If God would to text you right now,

1225
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,959
Speaker 2: will say, oh, my God, that is so good.

1226
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: What would he say to you if God would have

1227
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: texted me right now, he probably have a whole lot, but.

1228
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 2: It test well text it'll be mmm, I told you,

1229
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 2: I had you, I told you, I got you. I

1230
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 2: told you, I told you you're safe. I knew you

1231
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 2: had it in you. I knew you was gonna be

1232
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 2: all right. I think that would be some of it.

1233
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: Some of it. I wish you would have fucking listened before.

1234
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,439
Speaker 2: Yes, my girl would be like, I wish you would

1235
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 2: have listened before, we could have got over this sooner

1236
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 2: if you would have listened, But also like good, like

1237
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 2: I'm glad you're listening now, I'm glad you're listening.

1238
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: Though you think you'd be proud of you? I think so,

1239
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: I think so, I hope so, I hope so.

1240
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 2: I think it's funny because now a lot of as

1241
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 2: you get older, and I, like many people do, I'm

1242
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 2: not religious as such, but I definitely believe in God

1243
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 2: and again, like I call it the Gaau, God, angels, ancestors, universe.

1244
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: So that's what I call it.

1245
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 2: And when you get the older you get, I feel like,

1246
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 2: you know, if especially if you kind of grew up

1247
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 2: in faith in any way.

1248
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: You just go back to that and it's a good

1249
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: place to be.

1250
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, ancestors is good answer. People don't talk about that.

1251
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 2: Connections your ancestors. Yeah, what are your beliefs or thoughts

1252
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 2: about that?

1253
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: Because I do woo stuff.

1254
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 2: Sometimes those are things that a lot of times healers

1255
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 2: will bring up that I.

1256
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: Never thought about for years before. What do you mean?

1257
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 2: Because you know you don't think you didn't you know,

1258
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 2: unless you unless someone kind of brings it up and

1259
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 2: makes it make sense for you. And now I do

1260
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 2: think about like I say, thank you for being that.

1261
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 2: I ask for help sometimes I ask for guidance from ancestors.

1262
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think.

1263
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 2: I think it's real. I believe it, I feel it

1264
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 2: all right. Last in real life question, what do you

1265
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 2: hope people if people can learn anything from your life

1266
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 2: and your journey and watching you all these years, what

1267
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 2: do you hope people take away or learn from how

1268
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 2: you've done it?

1269
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: That's a good question. That you're allowed.

1270
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 2: To do and be how you want, who you want

1271
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 2: to be. You're allowed to be as happy as you

1272
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 2: want to be. That it doesn't matter where you start,

1273
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 2: you can go wherever you want. Yeah, yeah, this is

1274
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 2: Eve in real life.

1275
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:23,080
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1276
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:25,160
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