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Speaker 3: good morning, and welcome to Counterpoints.

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Speaker 4: We're not going to talk about the elections much in

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Speaker 4: this show today, so let's get through a couple of

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Speaker 4: those real quickly. Friend of the show, Will Stancil.

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Speaker 5: You just gave him that title on the spot House.

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Speaker 4: Representative race and Minnesota the way that you know that

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Speaker 4: you're too online whether or not you got that reference.

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Speaker 4: This is a guy who made a career the last

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Speaker 4: decade out of annoying people on Twitter and parlayed that

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Speaker 4: into a run for Minnesota state House. He lost by

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Speaker 4: maybe six hundred votes or so, which is a landslide

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Speaker 4: in a Minnesota House race respectable. Also in Minnesota, ilhan

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Speaker 4: Omar thumped Don Samuels.

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Speaker 5: Not even close. Nothing like what happened to Corey Bush.

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Speaker 5: A Pack stayed out of that race basically.

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Speaker 4: As well, there was a lot of money that funneled

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Speaker 4: through a pack representatives to the campaign, which was reported

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Speaker 4: in the last couple of days. It looked actually in

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Speaker 4: violation of FEC rules. There are no such thing as

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Speaker 4: FEC rules anymore, so it won't get prosecuted. But yes,

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Speaker 4: f A Pack itself stayed out. The super Pac stayed out.

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Speaker 4: Ilan Omar won comfortably.

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Speaker 5: Do you think that's because they like having ilhan Omar

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Speaker 5: They they would rather have ilhan Omar as their sort

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Speaker 3: I think it's they they don't like to lose, and

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Speaker 4: And I think in organ a PAC and the NRA

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Speaker 4: are similar in the sense that they survive. They survived

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Speaker 4: significantly on their reputation of invincibility and of all powerfulness

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Speaker 4: that if they come into a race, if you cross them,

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Speaker 4: they will finish you. So they pick a jews and

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Speaker 4: so therefore they can't come into a raise and lose

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Speaker 4: because then other people are like, wait a minute, maybe

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Speaker 4: I can challenge APAC and survive. So they really don't

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Speaker 4: want to take any l's makes sense. Although they have

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Speaker 4: they've been they lost that they've men but that was

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Speaker 4: such a weird race. People are like, people didn't even

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Speaker 4: know what to make of that, this California Democratic primary

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Speaker 4: from where they went after a guy who's totally pro Israel.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, interesting and they should hope they don't go

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Speaker 5: the way of the NRA because times are not good

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Speaker 5: for the NRA. But we're sort of light on twenty

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Speaker 5: storm right now, everyone's preparing for the DNC. We are,

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Speaker 5: of course going to cover Tim Walltz right at the

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Speaker 5: top of the show. He gave a pretty interesting speech yesterday,

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Speaker 5: and there was news on the labor front given what

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump said to Elon Musk and Crystal and I

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Speaker 5: covered some of that yesterday. We're going to cover developments

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Speaker 5: out of Iran. Ryan has an incredible story, and drop

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Speaker 5: site has an incredible story about something that happened in

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Speaker 5: the West Bank. We are getting inflation numbers as we

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Speaker 5: record this right now, bright and early, and then we

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Speaker 5: have an interesting media block because some on the left

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Speaker 4: Think right, yes, it reminds me of twenty sixteen, where

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Speaker 4: the entire kind of democratic infrastructure was persuaded that the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and they just they there's just something about Hillary

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Speaker 4: To cover it all Wednesday's And that's a setup that

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Speaker 5: He'll be Obama will be speaking as well, obviously, Chicago,

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Speaker 4: So making one of his first big campaign events, where

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Speaker 4: It's huge though, right national Labor Union makes up a

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Speaker 5: He kind of made a point about that. Let's start

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Speaker 6: I happened to be the first union member on a

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Speaker 6: So you heard the story. You knew Vice President Harrips

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Speaker 3: And it's why as governor I signed one.

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Speaker 6: We made it easier for workers to form unions, We

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Speaker 4: So Labor Twitter was losing his mind over that, just

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Speaker 3: The captive meetings.

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Speaker 4: If you've ever been in one's, your boss sits you

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Speaker 3: Let me tell you why. It's such a terrible idea.

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Speaker 4: And they are incredibly effective. It's a way to dish

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Speaker 4: out a whole bunch of threats to workers. It's a

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Speaker 4: the unions and so for Walls would be so familiar

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Speaker 3: We can talk about in a second.

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Speaker 4: But for him to be that kind of familiar with

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Speaker 4: But what was your what was your reaction to seeing

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Speaker 3: That's not the one.

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Speaker 4: Those machines are breaking constantly too. It's not the worker's fault.

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Speaker 5: Clearly, clearly we all would have problems making mcflurry. Is

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Speaker 4: The mix as smart workers like break those machines on

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Speaker 4: But so I also wanted to get your take on

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Speaker 4: Uh not well, I'm not even gonna like buy us

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Speaker 3: Let's just roll.

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Speaker 6: Why would you think I need your advice to tell

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Speaker 3: You stay in your lane and I'll stay in mind.

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Speaker 6: That's not that difficult.

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Speaker 4: So he's taking the freedom and the mind your own

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Speaker 4: don't let don't have the government go in and side

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Speaker 4: with the bosses to squash a union.

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Speaker 3: I love the effort.

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Speaker 5: Well, I was gonna say, I have a lot of

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Speaker 5: substantive rebuttals to that, but I guess those are well.

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Speaker 5: I would say, for example, I mean his COVID policies

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Speaker 5: are a huge, huge, they hugely undermind his you know.

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Speaker 3: Freedom agenda was not a full display during COVID.

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Speaker 5: one would be tim nobody's telling you that you can't

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Speaker 4: That was the one path, separate path was his own

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Speaker 4: I'm Teamsters first. If Trump is our guy, I'm with him.

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Speaker 4: fire them, yeah, and.

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Speaker 3: We're like, you know what he had to do.

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Speaker 5: This is not the persuadable demographic. Right at this point,

444
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Speaker 5: Ryan Iran, obviously we can put this next tear sheet

445
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Speaker 5: up on the screen. This is from the Times of Israel.

446
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Speaker 5: Biden has said that Iran is expected to push off

447
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Speaker 5: attacking Israel if the Gaza cease fire deal is clinched.

448
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Speaker 5: This is a big development that was unfolding yesterday. President

449
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Speaker 5: Biden said that yesterday, wouldn't you make of that as

450
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Speaker 5: a kind of was unfolding in the last twenty four hours.

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Speaker 4: So the politics of this and the geopolitics of it

452
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Speaker 4: are fascinating.

453
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Speaker 3: As we're watching this unfold or not unfold.

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Speaker 4: You've got, again, you've got domestic Iranian domestic politics. You've

455
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Speaker 4: got the kind of bilateral politics between Iran and Israel.

456
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Speaker 4: You've got the relationship between the US and Iran. You've

457
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Speaker 4: got Iran in Russia. All of this coming into play.

458
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Speaker 4: Iran figuring out how best to balance this while they

459
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Speaker 4: weigh how and whether to respond to Israel killing Ismael

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Speaker 4: Hania in the suburbs of Tehran, which they have vowed

461
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Speaker 4: that they are going to respond to. A couple of

462
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Speaker 4: days ago, there were some some threats made that they

463
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Speaker 4: were going to kind of do all out attacks on

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Speaker 4: US forces in bases in Iraq and Syria, which again

465
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Speaker 4: raised the question of why on Earth are their US

466
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Speaker 4: forces in bases in Iraq and Syria. Fortunately for them,

467
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Speaker 4: that did not come to pass, and now we're getting

468
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Speaker 4: this reporting that the cease fire negotiation track is playing

469
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Speaker 4: a role into Iran's consideration of how to respond. Iran

470
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Speaker 4: recently had a presidential election. An elected a moderate who

471
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Speaker 4: ran on strengthening ties with the United States. Immediately after that,

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Speaker 4: Israel did his attack in Tehran, and people understood that

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Speaker 4: to be a way of forcing the new president into

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Speaker 4: a kind of armed confrontation with Israel in the United States.

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Speaker 4: And just as Hamas's attack on October seventh was a

476
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Speaker 4: provocation intended to get Israel to overreact and then undermine

477
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Speaker 4: the global standing of Israel, and they succeeded in doing

478
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Speaker 4: that because Israel took debate. Like if you remember, at

479
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Speaker 4: the time, we're saying, like Hamas once to do everything

480
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Speaker 4: you're doing right now.

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Speaker 3: They didn't.

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Speaker 4: I don't think they quite guessed that it would be

483
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Speaker 4: as over the top as it was, but they wanted

484
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Speaker 4: it an overreaction, like they didn't think that they were

485
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Speaker 4: going to go into Tel Aviv and conquer it, like

486
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Speaker 4: it was an attack that was intended to upset the

487
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Speaker 4: apple cart, bringing a massive attack and then bring global

488
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Speaker 4: isolation to Israel. Israel did exactly what Hamas wanted them

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Speaker 4: to do. And so there are factions within the Iranian leadership,

490
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Speaker 4: including apparently the president who was saying, well, wait a minute,

491
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Speaker 4: Israel wants us to do some kind of overwhelming direct

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Speaker 4: attack on both inside Israel and you know, hitting US

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Speaker 4: bases in Iraq and Syria, so that then Iran is

494
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Speaker 4: further isolated and Israel can lay waste to like huge

495
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Speaker 4: portions of Iran, and then the productive capacity that Iran

496
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Speaker 4: has in delivering missiles and drones for Russia is degraded.

497
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Speaker 4: There's all sorts of things that kind of work out

498
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Speaker 4: and in the United States benefited for Ron overreacts. So

499
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Speaker 4: there's a faction within the Ryan leadership to saying, what

500
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Speaker 4: if we just don't do that, like like we're not

501
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Speaker 4: actually required to do what our adversaries want us to do.

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Speaker 4: At the same time, there's a hard right in Iran

503
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Speaker 4: that is saying, no, you are required too, because you're weak.

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Speaker 3: You can't.

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Speaker 4: You know, they're picking off IRGC leaders are picking off Hesbola,

506
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Speaker 4: mid to high level people constantly. They killed Hania right

507
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Speaker 4: there in Tehran. Your your weak little response back in

508
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 4: April clearly didn't do any deterrence. So you need deterrence.

509
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Speaker 4: That's the hard right argument. Then comes in the Hamas

510
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 4: sees fire negotiations. They say, and that I think gives

511
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Speaker 4: a way for this debate to be resolved. Inside Iran,

512
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Speaker 4: they say, Okay, you know what the hardliners say, Look,

513
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Speaker 4: we don't even think that Nenyahu's serious about these talks,

514
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Speaker 4: So go ahead. If you can reach a cease fire deal,

515
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Speaker 4: then go ahead.

516
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Speaker 5: And so Biden was in New Orleans and he replied

517
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Speaker 5: to a comment from reporters about whether he expected a

518
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Speaker 5: retaliatory strike would be pushed off if there were or

519
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Speaker 5: entirely prevented if there was a ceasefire deal that was reached.

520
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 5: When talks zoom later this week, he said, quote, that's

521
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Speaker 5: my expectation. Quote, We'll see what Iran does and we'll

522
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 5: see what happens if there is any attack. Yes, we will.

523
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 5: And then he said quote, but I'm not giving up.

524
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Speaker 5: Now we can put the next tairsheet up on the screen,

525
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Speaker 5: and this is from the.

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Speaker 3: One other point.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, before we go go to that one. Hamas is

528
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Speaker 4: sort of not showing up for these talks that are

529
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Speaker 4: supposed to start in Doha tomorrow or in Cairo.

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Speaker 3: But they all of their people are.

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Speaker 4: In Doha and are right near the negotiators that they

532
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 4: would need to be talking to. What Hamas has said

533
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Speaker 4: is that they're willing to accept the deal that the

534
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Speaker 4: US and Israel put forward in July.

535
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Speaker 3: They'll take the deal, just implement the deal.

536
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Speaker 4: They don't want to go back to ground zero, start over,

537
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 4: to go back to square one, because they said net Yah,

538
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 4: who's not serious? Like if netyah, who's serious, here's his deal,

539
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 4: we accept it. And so that's the kind of contours

540
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 4: of this of these negotiations.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's helpful because Biden can say that all he

542
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Speaker 5: wants and who knows what actually plays out. So the

543
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Speaker 5: next headline, this is from the Associated Press. US approves

544
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Speaker 5: twenty billion dollars in weapons sales to Israel amid threats

545
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 5: of a wider Middle East war. So, according to the

546
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Speaker 5: Associated Press, this is news from yesterday. The US has

547
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Speaker 5: approved twenty billions in arms sales to Israel, including scores

548
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Speaker 5: of fighter jets and advanced air to air missiles, as

549
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Speaker 5: the State Department announced on Tuesday. So Congress was notified

550
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Speaker 5: of the impending sale, which includes more than fifty f

551
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Speaker 5: fifteen fighter jets, advanced medium range air to air missiles,

552
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Speaker 5: one hundred and twenty millimeters tank ammunition, and high explosive

553
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Speaker 5: mortars and tactical vehicles. According to the Associated Press, So

554
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Speaker 5: again happening in the context of peace negotiations or shease

555
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Speaker 5: fire negotiations resuming later this week.

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Speaker 4: Wonderful news for property values in northern Virginia and suburban Maryland.

557
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 4: Always is DMV, stays, stays undefeated.

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Speaker 3: We're doing great.

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Speaker 4: Another twenty billion for us, which whether that's twenty billion

560
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Speaker 4: that we're just printing and then sending the Israel and

561
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Speaker 4: Israel sends it back to us in order to pump

562
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Speaker 4: up those real estate values northern Virginia, who knows.

563
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Speaker 3: But that's the that's the game we're playing here.

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Speaker 5: Twenty twenty six time frame on these es.

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Speaker 4: Yes, twenty twenty six is generous, like this is long

566
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Speaker 4: term stuff, and so.

567
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Speaker 5: The Jets comprise the biggest portion of the twenty billion

568
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Speaker 5: in sales, with the first delivers expected in twenty twenty nine.

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Speaker 4: Right exactly. These are not these are not for the

570
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Speaker 4: immediate war effort. These are this is an expression of

571
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Speaker 4: our long term commitment to Israel's quote unquote security, and

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Speaker 4: these are weapons that will be there to replenish whatever

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Speaker 4: weapons they use between between now and Yeah. It's and

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Speaker 4: one more signal of how tight the relationship, you know, remains.

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Speaker 5: And Ryan, maybe you can walk us through these next elements.

576
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Speaker 5: This is a tweet from Ryan B. Three we can

577
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Speaker 5: put up on the screen some of the some examples

578
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Speaker 5: of the ongoing human rights situation in the Middle East.

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Speaker 5: Right now, what are we looking at?

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Speaker 4: I just wanted to share a couple of these, couple

581
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Speaker 4: of these developments. So a doctor Jumana frid Abu al Comsan,

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Speaker 4: had twins on I guess you know, not not long ago,

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Speaker 4: last last week.

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Speaker 3: There's she's.

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Speaker 4: As as is very typical. She received a ton of

586
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Speaker 4: messages like what a miracle. And you can imagine what

587
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Speaker 4: an absolute miracle it must be to be to be

588
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Speaker 4: able to take twins to term in Gaza at this

589
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Speaker 4: moment and deliver them successfully. We have twins, and it's

590
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Speaker 4: like the amount of nutrition you need to you know,

591
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Speaker 4: successfully give birth to twins, even if even if they

592
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Speaker 4: if if it's.

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Speaker 3: Thirty weeks, thirty four weeks, thirty.

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Speaker 4: Six weeks, the photos of them, they look beautiful, they

595
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Speaker 4: look healthy. The father and goes out to go pick

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Speaker 4: up the birth certificates and while he's out, there's a

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Speaker 4: precision strike on their room and the mother and the

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Speaker 4: and the twins both both killed. Yeah, there's a lot

599
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Speaker 4: more that people can find if they want to go

600
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Speaker 4: look about this particular incident, and it's and it's just

601
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Speaker 4: it's it's it's one incident. It is it's three lives

602
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Speaker 4: in among the tens of thousands that have been killed

603
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Speaker 4: by the IDEF in the in this war.

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Speaker 3: But it's just it just hit that much harder because

605
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Speaker 3: it's such.

606
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Speaker 4: A at once relatable experience, but then you know, such

607
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 4: an absolutely kind of otherworldly experience, just just utter utter devastation.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: At the at the U n yes Un yesterday, the

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Speaker 4: the the there was an emergency session called to basically

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Speaker 4: to debate and condemn Israel for the massive attack on

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Speaker 4: a school recently, which included a a speech by the

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Speaker 4: Israel's representative to the United Nations which people can find

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Speaker 4: as well. That is one of the most bizarre things

615
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Speaker 4: you've ever seen, where he he starts screaming at the

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Speaker 4: other representatives of the United Nations saying that Israel is

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Speaker 4: the most moral country in the world, which is the

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Speaker 4: most moral He just keeps repeating it, most moral country

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Speaker 4: in the world, most moral country in the world, which

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Speaker 4: if they were not carrying out this genocide, would even

621
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Speaker 4: be an odd thing to say to other countries.

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Speaker 3: What what what?

623
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Speaker 5: What?

624
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Speaker 3: What are you even talking about? The most moral country

625
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Speaker 3: in the world.

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Speaker 4: And then he just and he says, you hear that

627
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Speaker 4: Palestinian representative and this guy represents terrorists. Meanwhile, all of

628
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 4: this is unfolding, plus a nationwide debate about whether you

629
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Speaker 4: can rape detainees. It's it's like utterly divorced from reality.

630
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Speaker 4: There and there was, there was, there was one other

631
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Speaker 4: and I didn't want to let pass. But I have

632
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 4: to put my glasses on for this and we can

633
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Speaker 4: put the last one. But this absolutely harrowing piece that

634
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Speaker 4: uh that units to Rawei, who's actually written for us

635
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Speaker 4: over at a drop site as a Palestinian reporter. He

636
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Speaker 4: he just takes this, uh, this post and translated it

637
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Speaker 4: and he reads, I came to search for the remains

638
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Speaker 4: of my son, who had gone ahead to the dawn prayer.

639
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Speaker 4: Some one gave me a bag of twenty three kilograms

640
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Speaker 4: and said, this is your son.

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Speaker 3: Bury him.

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Speaker 4: As I carried him, I remembered a day when I

643
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Speaker 4: was coming back with him from the market carrying a

644
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Speaker 4: heavy bag. He in complete filial piety, asked to carry

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Speaker 4: it for me. He went to his mother happily boasting

646
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Speaker 4: of his manhood, singing in front of his siblings and

647
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Speaker 4: teasing them that he carried all his weight alone for

648
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Speaker 4: his father. His siblings embraced him, and his mother prayed

649
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Speaker 4: for his long life and goodness. Now once again you

650
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Speaker 4: precede me with the bag to the house, my son,

651
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 4: But how do I convince them that you are the

652
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Speaker 4: one inside it? That your laughter which used to fill

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Speaker 4: the house, your thin arms that used to use to

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Speaker 4: spar with your siblings, your head that used to rest

655
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Speaker 4: on your grandmother's lap, and your feet that tirelessly searched

656
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Speaker 4: for water, all.

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Speaker 3: Have become one in this bag.

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00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 4: When your mother asks me in a bitter gosen tone,

659
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Speaker 4: do you know if there is any electricity?

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Speaker 3: Abu salah?

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Speaker 4: Where will I store all this, all the goodness we

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Speaker 4: give to the neighbors? How will I tell her, my son,

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Speaker 4: that what's in this bag is not suitable for charity,

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Speaker 4: and that twenty three kilograms of.

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Speaker 3: Remains is our share of death this week?

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Speaker 4: A lot of the casualties of that strike on the

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Speaker 4: school were children, and one of the more harrowing images

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Speaker 4: that came out of it was so many parents, because

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Speaker 4: just picking up their children in bags and this so

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Speaker 4: this is this father's remembrance of it?

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Speaker 5: Brin. Actually, you're going to keep sharing right now in

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Speaker 5: our next block here some awful and tragic details.

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Speaker 4: What's unfolding while everybody is well, Actually, while the focus

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Speaker 4: is actually waning, I think on Gaza and the entire region,

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Speaker 4: even as it gets closer to a regional war. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 4: in the West Bank, the crucible of the conflict, the

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Speaker 4: property property annexation, continues.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk about that next.

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Speaker 4: A few weeks ago, I asked Breaking Points and Counterpoints

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Speaker 4: viewers to help support the launch of the new independent,

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Speaker 4: nonprofit news outlet I was launching with my old colleague

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Speaker 4: Jeremy Scahill, and a humbling number of you did.

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 4: The launch has gone so well that I can now

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Speaker 4: announce the hiring of another former colleague, Martaza Hussein, who

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Speaker 4: you've seen here on the show. We've also hired The

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Speaker 4: Intercept's former deputy editor, Osca Renter, and it plans to

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Speaker 4: continue growing as long as as the support keeps growing.

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Speaker 4: So if you still want to subscribe with the Counterpoints discount,

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Speaker 4: go to drop sitenews dot com slash Counterpoints, where you

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Speaker 4: can find the link down below. Now yesterday we published

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Speaker 4: a new report by Martaza looking at a single conflict

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Speaker 4: over a West Bank home just outside of Bethlehem. With

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Speaker 4: all of the focus on Gaza Iran and the software

696
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Speaker 4: in the North with Hesbola, it's easy to lose sight

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Speaker 4: of what's happening in the West Bank. A creeping de

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Speaker 4: facto annexation property property. The fight over the family home

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Speaker 4: of Alice Caisia has been heating up the past week.

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Speaker 4: So the family property once hosted not just their home,

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Speaker 4: but a restaurant they had built. That was before settlers

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Speaker 4: vandalized and demolished it. Now it is home to a

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Speaker 4: makeshift campground the family guards fiercely while Israeli settlers, with

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Speaker 4: the active help of the IDF, have managed to squat

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Speaker 4: on a portion of it. The family isn't leaving without

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Speaker 4: a fight, and their stand has drawn the support of

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Speaker 4: some Israelis and Western activists who are hoping their presence

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Speaker 4: will slow down the process. So the family has gone

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Speaker 4: to court numerous times to try and assert legal protection

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Speaker 4: over the property, only to see those claims ignored on

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Speaker 4: the ground by settler activists.

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Speaker 3: Guarded by Israeli soldiers.

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Speaker 4: So the poster on the right here in this photo

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Speaker 4: was a blown up version of the property record showing

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Speaker 4: that they are the proper owners.

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Speaker 3: So a number of representatives.

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Speaker 4: From the group of Combatants for Peace, which is a

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Speaker 4: mixed group of former Israelian Palestadian combatants turned solidarity activists,

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Speaker 4: have attempted to physically blocked settlers from displacing the Kaisia

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Speaker 4: family from their property. In recent days, armed soldiers have

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Speaker 4: arrested demonstrators or physically driven them off the site. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 4: more settlers have arrived to have vandalized the Caissia's remaining property,

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Speaker 4: including a statue of the Virgin Mary owned by the

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Speaker 4: family that was found smashed at the site. Not that

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Speaker 4: it should matter, by the way, that these are Christian Palestinians.

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Speaker 4: In video from the property shared with drop site, groups

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Speaker 4: of settlers guarded by IDF soldiers can be seen mocking

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Speaker 4: the family and activists who have come to defend them,

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Speaker 4: while trying to break into a gate surrounding their land.

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Speaker 4: So last Friday, Amato Sisson, an activist from New Jersey

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Speaker 4: with the solidarity group Fazzia, joined fellow demonstrators near the

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Speaker 4: West Bank village of Beta, not far from the Kaisia home.

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Speaker 4: In an interview with Martaza after being discharged from the hospital,

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Speaker 4: Sissone said he was taking part in a quote protective

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Speaker 4: presence exercise aimed at defending Palestinian citizens living in the

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Speaker 4: West Bank from settler and military violence. The IDF began

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Speaker 4: firing live rounds at them and they ran into a

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Speaker 4: nearby olive grove. It was then that he felt what

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Speaker 4: he said was a quote, blunt impact in the back

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Speaker 4: of his leg. He initially thought hit him hit by

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Speaker 4: a tear gas canister. It turned out to have been

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Speaker 4: a live bullet which entered his thigh and exited from

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Speaker 4: the front of his leg. And video of the incident

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Speaker 4: provided to drop site you can see his friends and

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Speaker 4: fellow activists carrying him here away from the olive grove

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Speaker 4: and toured a pickup truck which would then take him

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Speaker 4: to a hospital in Nablis. We asked the State Department

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Speaker 4: for comment on Sassan's shooting and got the following statement quote,

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Speaker 4: We are aware of these reports involving a US citizen

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Speaker 4: in the West Bank and are in contact with local

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Speaker 4: authorities to gather more information. We are greatly concerned when

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Speaker 4: any US citizen is harmed overseas. And work to provide

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Speaker 4: consular assistance. We re it I can't even say this one.

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Speaker 4: We reiterate our advice to US citizens to reconsider to

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Speaker 4: the West Bank. Over the past few months, there has

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Speaker 4: been an increase in extremist violence and military activity. Due

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Speaker 4: to privacy considerations, we have no further comment unquote. So

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Speaker 4: after being shot, Saesone was treated and discharged from the

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Speaker 4: hospital in Nablis. He was lucky the bullet that struck

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Speaker 4: his thigh did not hit any major arteries or bone,

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Speaker 4: and he's expected to recover now. While the shooting has

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Speaker 4: gotten zero attention in the US, it did get some

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Speaker 4: coverage in the local Israeli Pressed, where a spokesperson for

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Speaker 4: the IDF said troops had quote used riot dispersal means

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Speaker 4: and fired live rounds in the air to disperse a

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Speaker 4: quote gathering in the area near the settlement outpost. The

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Speaker 4: statement added that quote a report was received regarding a

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Speaker 4: foreign national who was accidentally injured by the riot dispersal

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Speaker 4: means and was evacuated to the hospital unquote. A number

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Speaker 4: of Americans have been killed or wounded by the IDF

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Speaker 4: in recent years, including both Palestinian citizens living in or

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Speaker 4: visiting the West Bank and US activists like Sason. Earlier

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Speaker 4: this month, the US government announced that it would not

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Speaker 4: pursue Leahy Act sanctions against an Israeli military unit, the

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Speaker 4: Netsa Yehuda Battalion, implicated in the death of an elderly

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Speaker 4: Palestinian American man Omar Asad, who died after being bound

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Speaker 4: and left exposed to the elements by soldiers from the unit.

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Speaker 4: Two Palestinian American teenagers have also been killed in separate

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Speaker 4: shooting incidents by the IDF in the West Bank since

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Speaker 4: the start of this year. The US government has taken

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Speaker 4: halting steps in recent months the sanction particularly violent settler leaders.

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Speaker 4: The sanctions stop some individuals and groups associated with the

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Speaker 4: most extreme fringe of the settler movement from access in

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Speaker 4: the US financial system, while also targeting selected outposts in

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Speaker 4: the West Bank for blacklisting by banks. The Biden administration,

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Speaker 4: which is being sued over the sanctions by pro settler

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Speaker 4: groups in the US, has hinted that these limited sanctions

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Speaker 4: measures could theoretically expand in the future to target more

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Speaker 4: of the settlement enterprise. Now, while President Biden has promised

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Speaker 4: US retaliation for violent attacks targeting Americans elsewhere in the region,

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Speaker 4: there has been near radio silence over a steady drumbeat

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Speaker 4: of violent incidents that have affected US citizens in the

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Speaker 4: West Bank at the hands of the Israeli military or

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Speaker 4: settler groups that selective interest and concerned by the US

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Speaker 4: government over violence targeting its own citizens has frustrated his own.

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Speaker 4: He told Martaza, Biden has said that if any US

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Speaker 4: citizen is attacked, we will respond. Yet there have been

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Speaker 4: multiple times now this hasn't been the case, unquote. So

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Speaker 4: I guess his own thought that Biden was going to

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Speaker 4: respond to violence against him, he was guilty of a

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Speaker 4: little bit of wishful thinking, but I think he probably

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Speaker 4: knew better, Like I think that he understood going in

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Speaker 4: that if our partners, as the State Department calls him

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Speaker 4: every day at the briefing, if our partners are the

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Speaker 4: ones that do the shooting, you're not really going to

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Speaker 4: hear much about it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sure that's true for me personally. One of

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Speaker 5: the incidents, fairly recent one relative to the scope of

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Speaker 5: this tragedy that started to well, I don't know. I

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Speaker 5: think the US response to it was so pathetic that

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Speaker 5: it started I don't even know what the right way

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Speaker 5: to put it is. But the Shri n Abu Akla killing,

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Speaker 5: the way our government responded to it, Austinian, American, Christian journalists,

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Speaker 5: all of these different categories. The Americans obviously purport and

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Speaker 5: Israeli is obviously purport on the world stage to care

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Speaker 5: about the responses were just disappointing would be putting it mildly.

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Speaker 5: They were absurd. The responses to what happened, they were absurd.

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Speaker 5: So that these incidents are when you look at how

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Speaker 5: the various governments respond to them, I think tells you

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Speaker 5: a lot about what we put up with in our

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Speaker 5: foreign policy. Right, And that's just a really basic way.

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Speaker 5: I mean, like that's a thirty thousand foot view, but

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Speaker 5: I mean it's.

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Speaker 4: Just that that's the view. That's the view that will

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Speaker 4: give you the correct vantage point.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's crazy. And it's the same

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Speaker 5: thing when you talk about how the Biden administration sites

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Speaker 5: the ICC and relation to Putin and it doesn't have

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Speaker 5: any use to the ICC in relationship is real in

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Speaker 5: talking about the rules based international order when it suits

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Speaker 5: you and not when it doesn't. It's just turning a

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Speaker 5: blind eye willfully intentionally. Yeah, it's insane.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And in interviews with my colleague Jeremy, who helped me launch

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Speaker 4: drop site, Hamas officials have said that what's going on

836
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Speaker 4: in the West Bank was a significant driver of their

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Speaker 4: decision to launch the attacks on October seventh, because the

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Speaker 4: deck is being rearranged, and every time that another large

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Speaker 4: piece of property is taken, there's not a lot of

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Speaker 4: property left to be taken. Then it becomes that much

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Speaker 4: more difficult than to get to a political resolution, especially

842
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Speaker 4: when Israel continues to say that the key stumbling block

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Speaker 4: for any agreement is this Palestinian demand of right of

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Speaker 4: return that they get some of the land back.

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Speaker 3: And so as they continue.

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Speaker 4: To lose land and continue to be told that there

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Speaker 4: will be no land that comes back in an eventual

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Speaker 4: political process, it makes the political process seem untenable. And

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Speaker 4: there's that old famous saying that like those who make

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Speaker 4: peaceful resolutions tenable make violent resolutions inevitable. Yeah, that's a paraphrase,

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Speaker 4: but it's something like that, But that is what you

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Speaker 4: see going on here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, No, that's a really well applied phrase here. And

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Speaker 5: I think what I was trying to say earlier, iss

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Speaker 5: just like Israel is not Israel Palestin has never been

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Speaker 5: one of my top issues. I'm not far from an

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Speaker 5: expert in it. But the propaganda surrounding because we were

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Speaker 5: doing the show actually together and we were covering what

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Speaker 5: happened to shrin Abu Bakla, and normally, because it's not

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Speaker 5: one of my top issues, I just you sort of like,

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Speaker 5: don't dig into you know what's happening.

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Speaker 4: If I don't have to, people I trust are saying

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Speaker 4: things I'm gonna or just like, you know, don't.

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Speaker 5: It's not one of my top issues, so I'm not

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Speaker 5: thinking about it all of the time. And because we

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Speaker 5: had to think about it when we were covering it,

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Speaker 5: you're peeling back the layers of the propaganda and it's

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Speaker 5: you know, to me and I know a lot of

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Speaker 5: viewers it's going to sound naive who've been this has

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Speaker 5: been one of their top issues for years and years.

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Speaker 5: But when I was sort of forced to reckon with

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Speaker 5: the propaganda. It's not to say that there's there isn't

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Speaker 5: crazy propaganda on the other side, because there is. But

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Speaker 5: when I was reckoning with the propaganda from the US

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Speaker 5: and Israel in that case study, it was shocking. It's

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Speaker 5: shockingly bad, which again says naive to people who have

877
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Speaker 5: been following this for a really long time. But it's

878
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Speaker 5: never been one of my top issues. And when you're

879
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 5: forced to peel back the layers of the Israeli propaganda

880
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 5: is insane.

881
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Speaker 4: I don't think anybody should ever feel guilty about not

882
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 4: knowing something, because nobody is born knowing everything.

883
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Speaker 3: Like everybody, everybody our issue area, and everybody comes to things.

884
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 4: You know, it's either either they come to you sometimes

885
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 4: or or or you come to them. But for you,

886
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 4: it was it was Sharene that really kind of broke through.

887
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Speaker 5: Or yeah it was and I think you would probably

888
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 5: say this too. The propaganda in that case when you

889
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 5: have so many, I mean it was insane. You had

890
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 5: the bullet patterns on the trees, you had all of

891
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 5: the audio and video analysis, you had all of these

892
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 5: categories that both countries claimed to be protective of and

893
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Speaker 5: revere in one case study. I mean, it was all

894
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,959
Speaker 5: everything was wrapped up in that case study. So I think,

895
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Speaker 5: you know, there have been various incidents over the years

896
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 5: and like, oh, yeah, this propaganda's crazy, but that one

897
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 5: was just unreal, is all? It was all tied together

898
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Speaker 5: in such a tragically perfect kind of situation.

899
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's well said, you know, and it takes flexibility

900
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Speaker 4: and courage to like think things through in a in

901
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Speaker 4: a plastic way.

902
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Speaker 5: So well, your reporting is always so helpful, and I'm

903
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Speaker 5: loving everything on drop site, incredibly good reporting.

904
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Speaker 4: Well, thank you, very very very much, appreciate it, and

905
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Speaker 4: thank you to everybody else who's supported. It's been really

906
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Speaker 4: gratifying and encouraging. So it'll be there'll be more of

907
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Speaker 4: this to come, for sure.

908
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Speaker 5: You'll love to see it. Well, not really, but you'll

909
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Speaker 5: love to see the good reporting.

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Speaker 6: There you go.

911
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Speaker 5: So we actually have the inflation numbers out right now.

912
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Speaker 5: Just as we were talking, these numbers were released. Ran,

913
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Speaker 5: should we start with the Republicans been because I know

914
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Speaker 5: we have an element of that. It's Rick Santali of course,

915
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Speaker 5: that was already clipped and posted by the official Republican

916
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Speaker 5: Party x account. Let's row this clip.

917
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 7: Right now for the July consumer price and that headline

918
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 7: number coming in as expected, up two tenths of a percent,

919
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 7: up two tenths percent on headline number follows yet unrevised

920
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 7: down one tent So we went from basically the weakest

921
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Speaker 7: the biggest negative month over month change, a positive in

922
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 7: CPI since COVID for twenty for twenty twenty, and now

923
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Speaker 7: we're at the level that we haven't seen really since April.

924
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Speaker 7: We're up at three tens if you look at ex

925
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Speaker 7: food energy exactly is expected as well, up two tents.

926
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Speaker 7: The issue is, of course, it's following one ten, which,

927
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Speaker 7: just like the last number was comping towards the first

928
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Speaker 7: several months of COVID.

929
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Speaker 5: Okay, so that's the Republican's been immediately upon the numbers

930
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Speaker 5: being released. But Ryan, let's get into some of these

931
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Speaker 5: numbers and actually what they are, because it's the first

932
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Speaker 5: year over year being less than three percent of an

933
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Speaker 5: inflation increase? Is the CPI here first year over year

934
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Speaker 5: since March of twenty twenty one, So year over year

935
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Speaker 5: the first time that it hasn't been over three percent

936
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Speaker 5: two percent or higher since March of twenty twenty one,

937
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Speaker 5: right in the heat of the pandemic. How do you

938
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Speaker 5: think Wall Street's going to react to this because they were,

939
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Speaker 5: as The New York Times put it, quote on edge

940
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Speaker 5: ahead of the CPI being at least which is always

941
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Speaker 5: the case.

942
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and they were this is it beats expectations by

943
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Speaker 4: a little bit. Last month also beat expectations by a

944
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Speaker 4: little bit, so that's two months in a row. The

945
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Speaker 4: big question that Wall Street is going to have, and

946
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Speaker 4: that all of us are also going to have because

947
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Speaker 4: it matters to us as well, is whether whether there

948
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Speaker 4: will be a rate cut next month from the Federal Reserve.

949
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Speaker 4: But this number seems to move that question to what

950
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Speaker 4: kind of rate cut.

951
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Speaker 3: We're going to have.

952
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Speaker 4: Is it going to be a quarter point which is

953
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Speaker 4: the kind of normal state of affairs for the Fed

954
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Speaker 4: to cut, or is it going to be a half

955
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Speaker 4: point cut? And this pushes the possibility of a half

956
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Speaker 4: point rate cut closer to closer to happening. I think

957
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Speaker 4: rates are the Fed sets its current rate, I think

958
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Speaker 4: five three percent, but a half a half point cut

959
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Speaker 4: would dramatically would send a dramatic signal that there's going

960
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Speaker 4: to be more money flowing into the economy, that loans

961
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 4: are going to be easier to get, and then you

962
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 4: and then you will start to see you know, long

963
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Speaker 4: you're already seeing interest rates coming down interestingly over the

964
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Speaker 4: last several months, like thirty year mortgage rates coming down.

965
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Speaker 4: This would send mortgage rates significantly down, which means, you know,

966
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Speaker 4: five hundred to one thousand bucks or more off of

967
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Speaker 4: a mortgage payment for people who either refinance or purchase

968
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Speaker 4: at the exact same price.

969
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 5: Do you think that potential do you think the potential

970
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Speaker 5: rate cuts going to depend on the jobs report September

971
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Speaker 5: early September, six September.

972
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Speaker 4: So that'll play a role, and that'll probably be soft,

973
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Speaker 4: which means that it probably will not They will probably

974
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Speaker 4: not have added as many jobs, you knows, as they

975
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Speaker 4: had in previous months, and that then will further induce

976
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Speaker 4: the Fed to cut rates. Now, the politics of this

977
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 4: are such that Trump is probably going to spend the

978
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Speaker 4: next several weeks browbeating the Fed not to cut rates.

979
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Speaker 4: You know, he has said that he wants he wanted

980
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Speaker 4: a market crash, and he wants no Fed FED rate

981
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Speaker 4: cuts like in order to help.

982
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Speaker 3: His his re election campaign.

983
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 4: And it's delightful for us as political reporters that he

984
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Speaker 4: just says the stuff out but really that's what that's

985
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 4: what all candidates who are opposing the incumbent want.

986
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 3: But he just says it out loud.

987
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 5: You don't need any truth serum, like we never needed

988
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 5: mk Ultra, We just needed Trump.

989
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 3: He just says it.

990
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 5: It's all he ever needed.

991
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 3: Tweets it out.

992
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 4: He got his market crash, but then immediately kind of

993
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 4: rebounded over the next several days, and so that and

994
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 4: that market crash also probably also woke up the FED

995
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 4: a little bit. The reporting around Pale's thinking on this

996
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 4: the FED share.

997
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 3: Is that he doesn't want the FED.

998
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 4: To appear political by coming in, and it would be

999
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 4: Trump will accuse him of being political and accuse him

1000
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 4: of kind of biasing the.

1001
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Speaker 3: Electoral results towards Democrats.

1002
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 4: If Powell thinks that Democrats are going to win anyway,

1003
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 4: you know, that kind of gives him more reason because

1004
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 4: obviously everybody is political. So if he thought when it

1005
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 4: was Trump versus Biden, and it looked like Trump was

1006
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 4: going to win like New Mexico and Minnesota and your pal,

1007
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 4: then you're like, you know what, I'm not going to

1008
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 4: tick this guy off. But if it looks like Trump's

1009
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:29,879
Speaker 4: going to lose anyway and you are at you are

1010
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 4: risking this soft landing that you've been going for, which

1011
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 4: is which would be your legacy. Like if he if

1012
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 4: he can, if he can oversee this spike in inflation

1013
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 4: around the around the pandemic and then bring the and

1014
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 4: then bring inflation back down to the two percent range

1015
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 4: while keeping unemployment at the three to four percent range

1016
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 4: and not going into recession. That would that would be

1017
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 4: a legacy for a fed share that you that he

1018
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 4: would go around and give speeches about and people would

1019
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 4: write books about.

1020
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 5: Him and get some money for those speeches too.

1021
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 4: And if but if he holds rates too high for

1022
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 4: too long, he risks sending the economy spiraling into a recession,

1023
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 4: which then undermined which then undermindes his whole legacy. But

1024
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 4: what's interesting about the gopie spin that we played at

1025
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:26,399
Speaker 4: the top is that that's also true in some ways. Yeah, Yeah,

1026
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 4: it's a it's a case where what both sides are

1027
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:30,959
Speaker 4: saying is true.

1028
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 3: So you want to run through some of.

1029
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 5: This, Yeah, I was gonna say, let's get into that

1030
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 5: because in this CPI, shelter costs are still going up.

1031
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 5: So it's a half percent, but that's still significant because

1032
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 5: that's one place that is absolutely crushing. People will get

1033
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 5: into that in a moment. New and used cars are

1034
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 5: going down. That has been a hugely significant expense for

1035
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 5: a lot of families. Food prices still going up, in

1036
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 5: the CPI. Now, if we put this almond up on

1037
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 5: the screen, it is a long wall stre journal report

1038
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 5: on basically picking apart where people are still getting hit

1039
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 5: really hard from inflation and these some of these numbers

1040
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 5: are truly insane. Car insurance is still up like forty percent, childcare, water, sewer,

1041
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 5: trash costs, some of these like very essential services still up.

1042
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 5: Rent and electricity up ten percent. So consumer prices overall

1043
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,760
Speaker 5: since June of twenty twenty two are up six percent.

1044
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 5: Car insurance, I think I already went that. Said that one.

1045
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 5: Shelter costs are rent, I already mentioned that. But shelter overall,

1046
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 5: it's another metric that they measure separately, still really high.

1047
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 5: There are things that have gone down, cable shampoo, there

1048
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 5: are some kind of random places where people have seen cooling.

1049
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 5: And that's all true. But if you can imagine across

1050
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 5: the board, I mean, some of these depending on how

1051
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 5: people live and where they live, it's a little bit uneven.

1052
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 5: Some of that matters. And if you're in a city,

1053
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 5: like childcare super super high in cities right now not

1054
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 5: going down doesn't show any signs of going down, So

1055
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 5: it's being experienced differently. In different pockets of the country.

1056
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 5: But some of these things, like forty percent increase in

1057
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 5: car insurance prices, almost everybody is feeling I mean just

1058
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 5: almost everybody's feeling that increases in essential services. Those are

1059
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 5: things that everybody is feeling, and they're not showing any

1060
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 5: signs of going down at all. It's not a good

1061
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 5: sign that the shelter costs are still increasing, even if

1062
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 5: it's a slow rate of increase.

1063
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 4: So you look at these numbers and you have the

1064
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 4: answer to the question of why do we have a

1065
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 4: quote unquote good economy which is low unemployment and low inflation,

1066
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 4: good market, and then a booming stock market, yet my

1067
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 4: life is miserable? Like how on earth are all of

1068
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 4: those things true? And the reason that they're true is

1069
00:56:55,880 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 4: what you what everybody kind of intutally gets rent housing

1070
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 4: is through the roof, since the pandemic, energy costs, your

1071
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 4: power bill are through the roof, and car insurance those

1072
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 4: basically those and you know, food prices have gone up

1073
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 4: and haven't come down, so like even though they're no

1074
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 4: longer going up, you know they're up, and wages have

1075
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 4: kept up with food prices. But if you throw in

1076
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 4: rent and you throw in the car insurance, you throw

1077
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 4: in the electric bill.

1078
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 3: You're way behind what you used to be.

1079
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 4: And so just looking at some of the BLS numbers

1080
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 4: from this month, so transportation services, which includes car insurance,

1081
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 4: ubers and lifts and cabs and all that stuff way up.

1082
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 4: Still still rolling it eight point eight percent, which is

1083
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 4: which is rough. And that that is, you know, partly

1084
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 4: because used cars and trucks and new vehicles were so

1085
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 4: significantly up, like you said, they're now coming down. So

1086
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 4: used cars and trucks are down ten point nine percent

1087
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 4: year over year, but that's because they went up. They

1088
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 4: were massive number. The more expensive new and used cars are,

1089
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 4: the more expensive it is to replace, the more expensive

1090
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 4: your insurance is now. A bunch of people who watch

1091
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 4: this show were mad at me for saying that climate

1092
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 4: change is one of the drivers of why auto insurance

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Speaker 4: has gone up so much in the last couple of years.

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Speaker 4: And this Wall Street Journal article just confirms that once

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Speaker 4: again insurance and maybe the insurance companies are lying and

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Speaker 4: their data is completely faked and it's fake news. But

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Speaker 4: they say that storms and crazy weather have been a

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Speaker 4: significant drivers in recent years of damage to vehicles and

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Speaker 4: as a result of higher insurance rates. And you can

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Speaker 4: go ahead and say that maybe the storms and all

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Speaker 4: the crazy weather has nothing to do with climate change,

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Speaker 4: but that's not what climate scientists believe, and the numbers

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Speaker 4: are showing what they're showing. I think the rise of

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Speaker 4: electric vehicles playing a role here too. Like you get

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Speaker 4: in a car accident with an electric vehicle, that's that

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Speaker 4: suckers totaled a lot faster. Plus you cannot underrate the

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Speaker 4: role of what Kia and Hyundi of selling millions of

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Speaker 4: cars that are easy to steal, like this is an

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Speaker 4: undertold story.

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Speaker 5: Okay, yes, but then also the cities that are wildly

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Speaker 5: over permissive of the stealing of those cars.

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Speaker 4: That's that's fine, But if you create cars, if you

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Speaker 4: produce cars, should that you could just walk into and

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Speaker 4: drive away?

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Speaker 5: Yes, they should not have done that and refuse.

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Speaker 4: To stop doing that after it's called to your attention,

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Speaker 4: Like the number of car thefts that are directly connected

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Speaker 4: to Kia and Hyundai making cars that are easy to steal.

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Speaker 5: But mostly to the people thieving first and foremost connected

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Speaker 5: to the people stealing the cars that are easy to steal.

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Speaker 3: Right, But if if you make it harder to steal, So.

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Speaker 5: To Turment, no question about it.

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Speaker 4: Like, you tighten that up and they are going to

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Speaker 4: be fewer cars stolen. But it's it's a complete because.

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Speaker 4: And so the other spiraling effect here is as car

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Speaker 4: insurance gets more expensive, fewer people acquire it, even if

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Speaker 4: the loss as you're supposed to have it.

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Speaker 3: What does that do?

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Speaker 4: That drives up the cost of insurance for people who

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Speaker 4: do have the insurance because now if you get into

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Speaker 4: a car accident, the chances that you hit somebody that

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Speaker 4: doesn't have insurance have gone up. Yeah, And so like

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Speaker 4: at some point it feels like we're going to need

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Speaker 4: a public option here, like the car insurance public like

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Speaker 4: because this is going the wrong direction. Because every percentage

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Speaker 4: increase that you have in car insurance costs is going

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Speaker 4: to me in a higher percentage of people without car insurance.

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Speaker 5: We should do a whole segment, which.

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Speaker 3: Which then drives car insurance prices higher.

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Speaker 5: It's interesting, we should we should do a whole segment

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Speaker 5: on that.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, you're paying Yeah, and if you're not going

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Speaker 4: to solve climate change, then the public option for car insurance.

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Speaker 4: This before we get to property insurance, flood insurance, like

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Speaker 4: which I don't think anybody is going to quibble with

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Speaker 4: me about that being related to climate.

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Speaker 5: Change, not even Trump, who, in this conversation with Elon

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Speaker 5: Musk said, listen, I'll maybe it'll create more ocean front property.

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Speaker 4: For me, it's not happening, but it'll create more open

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Speaker 4: flood property.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, But I mean these So it's to your point

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Speaker 5: about the kind of duality here that the Republican spin

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Speaker 5: I probably shouldn't have even been laughing and mocking the

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Speaker 5: Republican spin because it is tackling something really real. There's

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Speaker 5: the duality of that and the good news. So it's

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Speaker 5: like there's good news, there's bad news, but overall still

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Speaker 5: just bad news for everybody because there's no sign like, well,

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Speaker 5: it's it's I guess good that we're below three percent

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Speaker 5: since for the first time year of a year since

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Speaker 5: March of twenty twenty one. Yeah, I guess that's that's

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Speaker 5: good news. On the other hand, it's hard to see

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Speaker 5: this kind of was the best way to put it,

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Speaker 5: the Titanic being turned around here, because even these good things,

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Speaker 5: we don't have an answer to the housing costs. And

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Speaker 5: there's an interesting quote in the Journal article where a

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Speaker 5: guy says, yeah, gas prices are cheaper, but I'm not

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Speaker 5: feeling it in my budget because the other things have

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Speaker 5: gone up. Basically, you know, yeah, gas prices can go down,

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Speaker 5: Cable prices can go down, which I honestly don't even believe.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how they're getting that cable number.

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Speaker 4: Maybe it's for cable prices went so through the roof

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Speaker 4: because of the pandemic.

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Speaker 5: That's true. That's true, like cars and yeah.

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Speaker 4: Because everybody was at home. But the Wall Street Journal

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Speaker 4: article is good and people should read it. And you can,

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Speaker 4: by the way, you can just take the journal article

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Speaker 4: and go to like Not that I would tell anybody

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Speaker 4: to do this because maybe see legal tell them, but

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Speaker 4: it is possible to go to like archive dot i

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Speaker 4: s and put the Wall Street Journal link in there.

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Speaker 3: And you would never I would never suggest such a thing.

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Speaker 4: But if you do that, you can find an archived

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Speaker 4: version that goes around the paywall.

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Speaker 5: But you don't recommend them.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, that'd be terrible. Who would ever do such a thing?

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Speaker 5: Not our viewers, And don't do it to drop site either.

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Speaker 3: Well drop site. Everything's free there.

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Speaker 5: That's right, so charitable, man, that's right.

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Speaker 4: The only thing you get if you subscribe you can

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Speaker 4: comment cool And the goal of that is actually just

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Speaker 4: so we don't have to moderate the comment section, because

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Speaker 4: we figure if somebody is paying to subscribe that they're

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Speaker 4: not going to be a terrible troll in the comments.

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Speaker 3: Well, as we learn that'd be a weird way to

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01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 3: spend your money, but it's.

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Speaker 5: A good way to do it because, as we learned

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Speaker 5: at the Federalist a few years ago, they will come

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Speaker 5: after you if people say crazy things in your comments

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Speaker 5: and demonetize you, threaten to demonetize you on Google Ads,

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Speaker 5: which basically means you can't run a news business. Do

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Speaker 5: not do that to internet business. Yes, so good. That

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Speaker 5: is a way to do comments.

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Speaker 4: But the good news, if we're going to finish it

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Speaker 4: on that is if the Fed does lower interest rates

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Speaker 4: and that brings down the price of mortgages, then that

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Speaker 4: can help with rent and housing costs like that.

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Speaker 3: That is a path out of this.

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Speaker 4: And if you can make it easier to borrow money,

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Speaker 4: you can build more housing and you have to deal

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Speaker 4: with the NIMBI problem.

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Speaker 5: But then obviously there's prices elsewhere that get affected by

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Speaker 5: that too, which is why the job support is probably pretty.

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Speaker 3: Imp right there, right right.

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Speaker 4: The concern is that if you lower interest rates, the

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Speaker 4: economy is going to grow, Wages will grow, and wages

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Speaker 4: will produce inflation. As Powell has said, the connection between

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Speaker 4: wage growth and inflation is much more tenuous than it

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Speaker 4: used to be in the nineteen sixties, partly because there

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Speaker 4: aren't union like back in the sixties had unions who

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Speaker 4: had contracts and made up like forty percent of the workforce.

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Speaker 4: That if that they would get raises based on the

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Speaker 4: cost living increased that the federal government produced through It's

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Speaker 4: through these numbers, and so then the federal government would say, well,

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Speaker 4: cost living with seven percent, unions would get an eight

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Speaker 4: percent raise, and then that would drive eight percent the

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Speaker 4: next year, and then unions would get nine percent. So

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Speaker 4: it had this like feedback effect, which thanks thanks to

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Speaker 4: neoliberalism breaking labor unions, we don't have that feedback effect anymore.

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Speaker 4: So now it actually seems like interest rates play a

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Speaker 4: more significant role. High interest rates play a more significant

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Speaker 4: role in driving prices up and costing people more than

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Speaker 4: they do in slowing or slowing or growing the economy.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, Yeah, we'll.

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Speaker 5: See, Yeah, we'll see. The Journal article is worth your

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Speaker 5: time if you're able to read it. Moving on hilarious

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01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 5: moment unintentionally on Colbert. The only funny moments that happen

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Speaker 5: on Stephen Colbert Show are unintentional these days. But Caitlin

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Speaker 5: Collins at CNN stopped by Colbert's Late night show, and

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Speaker 5: this exchange was really beautiful. It's really clip.

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Speaker 1: Trump has kind of been thrown on his heels by this,

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Speaker 1: and he's not really sure how to go after Vice

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Speaker 1: President Harris.

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Speaker 5: He knew his attack lines on President Biden.

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Speaker 1: He really has struggled with how to go after someone

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Speaker 1: who's twenty years younger than him, who is.

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Speaker 5: A different gender, a different race.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of been this moment where he has not

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Speaker 1: been able to coalesce around a single attack line.

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Speaker 2: I know you guys are objective over there, that you

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Speaker 2: just report the.

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Speaker 3: News as it is. Oh, I know a CNN makes.

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Speaker 8: It, and I know that's supposed to be a lab

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Speaker 8: like I wasn't supposed.

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Speaker 3: To be, but I guess it is.

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Speaker 5: It's just brutal. It's so brutal. His audience thinks that

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Speaker 5: he's making a joke, but he was being serious, which

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Speaker 5: reflects so poorly on him in so many different ways,

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Speaker 5: not just on CNN. Obviously it reflects on CNN, but

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Speaker 5: also just on Stephen Colbert's ability to a liver a

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Speaker 5: joke at these days.

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Speaker 4: Well, maybe he's just such a funny guy that everything

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Speaker 4: he says is funny.

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Speaker 5: It's always funny.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, it shows kind of how partisan Colbert has gotten.

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Speaker 4: I know, he didn't understand how that that would land.

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Speaker 4: Zero self aware with his own audience, right, Like.

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Speaker 5: He's in such a bubble that he that's such a

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Speaker 5: good point. He's in such a thick bubble that his

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Speaker 5: awareness of what's funny and what's not is like shot.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and his connection to the way that people are

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Speaker 4: viewing places like CNN. Caitlyn Collins seems to be more

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Speaker 4: in touch, actually, because she seemed to genuinely think that.

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Speaker 3: He was making fun of her.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she was like wait a minute, Yeah, but it's

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Speaker 4: almost more embarrassing the other direction. But she is interesting herself, right,

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Speaker 4: I mean she's she came from conservative media, yeah, in

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Speaker 4: a journey to CNN, which is not It's more common

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Speaker 4: to come from like the New Republic or something, But

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Speaker 4: to become a star, yeah.

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Speaker 3: That's not too common. Is it to come from conservative.

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Speaker 5: She's the only person that's done it.

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Speaker 3: Basically, she Daily Caller she was Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if Sagers mentioned this before, but yeah,

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Speaker 5: they were colleagues at The Caller. I knew Caitlin like Caitlin,

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Speaker 5: so she's had a very interesting.

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Speaker 3: Path talking about her like she's dead. Yeah, well.

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Speaker 5: The Daily Caller Caitlyn is definitely not no longer with us.

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Speaker 5: But it's almost unheard of. I can't think of anybody

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Speaker 5: who's gone from such a like she was a kind

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Speaker 5: of rank and file caller blogger to such a high

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Speaker 5: level of superstartum at CNN where she's like anchoring primetime

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Speaker 5: shows and going on Colbert. Very much unheard of.

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Speaker 4: But Robert Costa started the National Review, but he was

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Speaker 4: but he was always a reporter first at National Review,

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Speaker 4: and actually when I was at Tubing Post, we always

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Speaker 4: had like one or two conservatives that would cover conservatives.

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Speaker 4: We tried to hire with John Ward, we tried to

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Speaker 4: hire Costa at one point. He ended up going to

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Speaker 4: the Post instead and since become like a star reporter

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Speaker 4: and he's on TV a lot. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, definitely,

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Speaker 4: but not like Kaylen Collins.

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Speaker 5: Oh, he got a Biden interview the other day, Costa did,

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Speaker 5: but he's yeah, similar, A lot of people in conservative

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Speaker 5: media would would grumble heavily about both of them, saying

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Speaker 5: the only way, really, it's actually an advantage to come

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Speaker 5: into liberal media as someone who was at conservative media

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Speaker 5: and was a conservative, because it kind of allows you

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Speaker 5: to bring in all of those sources. And also that's

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Speaker 5: why we would hire them, right, yeah, exactly, and then

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Speaker 5: also sort of with added credibility, trash the right. So

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Speaker 5: that's the kind of pattern that a lot of people

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Speaker 5: on the right would grumble about. And speaking of the

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Speaker 5: Republican Party and the conservative movements relationship with the so

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Speaker 5: called mainstream media, let's rule this next because I think

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Speaker 5: it'll drive this conversation in an even more interesting direction.

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Speaker 8: What's your overall advice about like how democrats can sort

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Speaker 8: of what's your take on how democrats can sort of

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Speaker 8: balance the field?

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Speaker 9: I think the most important thing is not to confer

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Speaker 9: of our all the legitimacy onto the mainstream media as

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Speaker 9: if they're advocating for us. I mean, they are so

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Speaker 9: not on our team that they bend over backwards to

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Speaker 9: show deference to Republicans. I mean, there were I think

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Speaker 9: something like sixty nine Hillary's email stories and the lead

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Speaker 9: up to the twenty sixteen election, and so like, these

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Speaker 9: are people who are not only not on our team,

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Speaker 9: but they're broadcasting that they're not on our team. And

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Speaker 9: yet we have independent progressive media like Crooked Media, like

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Speaker 9: what I do, and like so many others in this space,

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Speaker 9: who are showing that we are willing and able to

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Speaker 9: pick up the mantle for where the media is dropping

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Speaker 9: the ball. And we have to be able to be

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Speaker 9: able to combat what the right has done. I mean

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Speaker 9: from the days of Rush Limbaugh all the way to

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Speaker 9: today with Fox News and Oan and Newsmax and Daily

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Speaker 9: Wire and just the the vast ecosystem of the right.

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Speaker 5: We have to be able to push back.

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Speaker 9: And by relying solely or only legitimizing mainstream media sources,

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Speaker 9: we're not going to get there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I don't even think that they should be on our

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Speaker 8: team because.

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Speaker 3: They're like that.

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Speaker 8: Look, it's their their job is to report the news.

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Speaker 8: Their job is not to help Democrats want elections.

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Speaker 5: No kidding, right, no kidding?

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Speaker 3: He yeah, and John Favreau there is is right.

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Speaker 4: I think they shouldn't be, but it is interesting that

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Speaker 4: that is a that counts as an insight right in

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Speaker 4: that world.

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Speaker 3: Because.

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Speaker 4: It shows that there is this real dynamic.

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Speaker 5: And you were listening to Brian Tyler Cohen, by the way,

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Speaker 5: if you weren't with guy without the shirt, yeah, hit button.

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Speaker 5: You're damn sure he was down like three buttons deep

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Speaker 5: like it was we were seeing.

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Speaker 3: Might have been four buttons even. Yeah, yeah, maybe that's

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Speaker 3: a new.

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Speaker 5: Thing, Sager. This is probably what made Soger sick. This

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Speaker 5: is what sent him to sick bad.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, there's this there's this unspoken view among a

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Speaker 4: lot of liberals that because the media is a liberal

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Speaker 4: institution in the kind of mill sense like that it

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Speaker 4: is without a without a democratic, democratic, small d government,

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01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 4: not an open In an open society, and a liberal society,

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Speaker 4: you need a free press. The free press cannot operate

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Speaker 4: under an authoritarian regime, you know. Therefore, in this contest

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Speaker 4: that they see between authoritarians and liberals, non authoritarians liberals

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Speaker 4: in the old school sense, the media ought to be

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Speaker 4: partisans on their behalf because it is it should be

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Speaker 4: in their self interest, yes, to maintain an open, democratic

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Speaker 4: society that allows for the free press to continue to

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Speaker 4: exist like that.

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Speaker 5: That.

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Speaker 4: Plus then there's this cultural allegiance where you can it

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Speaker 4: doesn't seem weird that one brother is a an anchor

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Speaker 4: and the other brothers the governor of New York. That

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Speaker 4: that's like that, that the politics of that kind of overlap.

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Speaker 5: And it didn't seem weird to anyone, by the way,

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Speaker 5: like that was happening at CNN for a long time.

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Speaker 5: He was covering his brother and it just didn't really

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Speaker 5: upset anyone until COVID.

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Speaker 4: But Democrats should also understand that, yes, while while there

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Speaker 4: are all these like cultural overlaps and political overlaps, and

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01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 4: while they're like going gaga over Kamala the last couple

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Speaker 4: of weeks in ways that must be infuriating to you

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Speaker 4: and or actually probably not because you're used to it.

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Speaker 5: It's on another level.

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Speaker 3: Though it is kind of on another level. But you

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Speaker 3: also can't rely on.

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Speaker 4: Them like you know, they're they're they're in their own interest.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is their own estate.

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Speaker 3: I think this is.

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Speaker 5: Interesting that jexpose these two clips, by the way, where

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Speaker 5: you have Colbert's audience laughing at the idea that CNN

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01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 5: is just the facts, totally objective, because they assumed that

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Speaker 5: was a joke and the pod I guess Favreau is right,

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01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:05,639
Speaker 5: so I shouldn't I shouldn't, you know, But he probably

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Speaker 5: makes the same argument about the Clinton email stories, whining

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01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 5: about media being anti left. It's so laughable. It's so laughable.

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01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 5: There are moments of sanity in the media or clarity

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01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 5: in the media where the sort of old if it bleeds,

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01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 5: it leads profit motive or certain journalists like Ken Vogel

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01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 5: is just a fantastic journalist and he is going to

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01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 5: report out any scoop that comes his way.

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Speaker 3: He's at the New York Time. Guys broke the Hunter

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Speaker 3: Biden story last night.

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Speaker 5: He's so good. He's so good. And that still happens

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01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 5: in corporate press, like there are still flashes of excellent

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01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 5: journalism and corporate press. But every time there are people

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01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 5: like Brian Tyler Cohen have this, they want it. They

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01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:54,679
Speaker 5: demand the authoritarianism of the press. Not reporting on Hillary

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01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 5: Clinton's email scandal would have been an authoritarian collusion between

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01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 5: the media and powerful interests. That's what he's demanding for

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01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 5: The New York Times. And they don't see it as authoritarian.

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01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:09,599
Speaker 5: They see it as fair because their idea of what's

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01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 5: newsworthy and what's not. And that's why this collusion, whether

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Speaker 5: it's between Republicans on issues like Israel or Ukraine and

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01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 5: the press and the Pentagon, that's why these relationships should

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01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 5: absolutely terrify people. Or it's Democrats on partisan questions like

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01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 5: Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris being drawn, as Trump said,

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01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:31,320
Speaker 5: like Milania on the cover of Time, that is terrifying.

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01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 5: And to be to see it through the lens that

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01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 5: Brian Tyler Cohene is very common among Like the other

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Speaker 5: funny thing he said was that he's saying they're broadcasting

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Speaker 5: that they're not on our team. Yeah, first of all,

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Speaker 5: I mean they aren't really doing that. If you saw

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01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 5: the Time magazine cover, they're not really doing that at all.

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01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 5: The different coverage of like the tax on tips. I

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01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 5: don't know if you've seen any of the split screen

1431
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 5: coverage of how the media covered Trump's no tax versus

1432
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 5: how they cover Kamala Harris is like it's just so obvious.

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01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 5: But he's also saying now that independent quote progressive media

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01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 5: like Crooked is picking up the mantle of the New

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01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 5: York Times. That's the That is what he just said,

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01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 5: that independent media like independent progressive media like Crooked is

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01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 5: picking up the mantle of the New York Times. That

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01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 5: is insane. They're not doing anything like what the Daily

1439
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 5: Wire or conservative media is doing. They're just talking on

1440
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 5: a podcast.

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01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 3: They're not reporting right that that is true.

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01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 4: And Ken Vogel's beat over at the Times has always

1443
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 4: been big money influence, and he he did a lot

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01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:45,680
Speaker 4: of great reporting on the Coke Coke Network back in

1445
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 4: the day and other kind of right wing billionaires well

1446
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 4: also Soros and others on the left. Back when he

1447
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 4: was doing a lot of that Coke reporting. If you noticed,

1448
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 4: he was on cable news all the time. Since he

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01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 4: started doing the Hunter Biden reporting, I don't think I've

1450
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 4: seen him on cable like.

1451
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 3: A single time.

1452
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 4: And so his story last night, I think is going

1453
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:12,800
Speaker 4: is going to infuriate Republicans again in this but not

1454
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:17,640
Speaker 4: his fault. So basically what he reported is that the

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01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 4: Times he through the time has been suing the State

1456
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 4: Department for public records related to Hunter Biden's potential influence

1457
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 4: peddling with the State Department. And the way that the

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01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 4: Freedom of Information Act works now is you need to

1459
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 4: sue like if you don't have a lawyer and that's

1460
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 4: why it's costly to do investigative reporting. Nowadays, you can't

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01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:43,719
Speaker 4: basically no longer file a foya and get it returned

1462
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 4: to you like that.

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01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 3: Those days are just gone.

1464
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 4: So you file a foyer, they basically reject or don't

1465
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 4: really fulfill your foya.

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01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 3: Then you take them to court.

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01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 4: After you take them the court, they start dribbling out

1468
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 4: bits of information to satisfy the angry judge who's like,

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01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 4: you're not following the law. And so that's what the

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01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 4: State Department was doing with this foyer request that The

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01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:08,879
Speaker 4: Times through Vogel had put in, dribbling out bits of information,

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01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 4: and then they moved. They said, we've given you everything

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01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 4: we have. This case is closed. Times suit again said no,

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01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 4: you have not. We know that you haven't given us

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01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 4: everything you have because we have the laptop and here

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01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 4: are these things that are in the laptop that would

1477
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 4: be responsive to our foya that you haven't given us yet.

1478
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 4: So we know that, So what else have you not

1479
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 4: given us? So judge is like, all right, keep giving

1480
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 4: him stuff. Then Biden analys he's stepping down. And one

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01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 4: week later they give the handover a new trunch of

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01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:45,479
Speaker 4: documents and in that tranch. Vogel had been looking for

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01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 4: something that this State Department official and who had worked

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01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 4: in Romania had done. But before he was in Romania,

1485
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 4: he'd worked in Italy and happened to find a letter

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01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:01,559
Speaker 4: from basically from Hunter Biden to the Attack ambassador saying,

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Speaker 4: can you set up a meeting? Help me set up

1488
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 4: a meeting with the Bearisman executives and this Tuscany dude

1489
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 4: because they want to do geothermal. Apparently Tuscany is like

1490
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 4: the place to do geothermal, and the Commerce Department guy

1491
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 4: inside the embassy is like a little bit nervous, like

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01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 4: we want to be polite here, but like you got

1493
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,559
Speaker 4: to love these bureaucrats. They get that and they're like, no,

1494
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 4: this is not how this is. They know it's not

1495
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:31,120
Speaker 4: supposed to work like this. The letter was completely redacted,

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01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 4: so we don't know precisely how Hunter phrased and what

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01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 4: he asked for, but we do know from other emails

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Speaker 4: inside the laptop that that they were that Bearisman was

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Speaker 4: leaning on Biden Hunter Biden to get them a meeting

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Speaker 4: to get this deal going in dusk Tuscany.

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Speaker 3: The deal never happened.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but like that, like that's what you that's what

1503
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 4: you pay somebody like Hunter Biden for like make this

1504
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 4: meeting happen.

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01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, and Crooked Media is not going to report on that,

1506
01:19:56,439 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 5: like give me a break. They're not going to do

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01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 5: the Ken Vogel legwork. And I obviously I kind of

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01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 5: we are very supportive of independent media. I think podcasting

1509
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 5: is an important part of journalism now, no question about it.

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01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:11,920
Speaker 5: But to say that Crioket Media is the progressive, independent

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01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 5: outlet that is helping pick up the mantle, that's the

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01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 5: word that he used there, that The New York Times

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01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 5: is not that The New York Times is like somehow

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01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 5: abandoning the mantle of quote being on the team. It's

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01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:29,680
Speaker 5: just such a bizarre They're not even progressive. They're just

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01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 5: corporate hacks. And it's again, it's not like I don't

1517
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 5: think conservative media is perfect. I think conservative media has

1518
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:39,760
Speaker 5: all kinds of problems. But the Cricket guys are just

1519
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:43,639
Speaker 5: they're just partisan. They won't even say it's.

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Speaker 4: An interesting point. They're independent in the sense that they

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Speaker 4: have their own independent source of revenue from their basically

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Speaker 4: ads that they run in there, from the users who

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Speaker 4: pay for their product. And so that gives them an

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Speaker 4: independence from the party structure, and they used that during

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Speaker 4: the Kamala Harris Joe Biden they should should Biden's point

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Speaker 4: to really go hard and calling on Biden to step

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Speaker 4: down now and then, and they came under like fierce

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Speaker 4: attacks from the party establishment wing, the wing of the

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Speaker 4: party established that wanted Biden to stay in. They toned

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Speaker 4: it down for a day or two, but then they

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Speaker 4: came roaring back, and I think that way they came

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Speaker 4: roaring back probably because they got word that like other

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Speaker 4: elements of the establishment like Nancy Pelosi and Obama were

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Speaker 4: actually which you know, they come from Obama world, were

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Speaker 4: supportive of where they're going. So they and they took

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Speaker 4: a lot of flag from their own listenership because their

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Speaker 4: listeners were these like Rider die Biden people now who

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Speaker 4: are who never would admit it for a second that

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Speaker 4: they were rid or die Biden.

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Speaker 3: But they only flipped.

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Speaker 5: To be fair, they only flipped on Biden as soon

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Speaker 5: as presumably their boss ideologically Obama flipped on Biden. It

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Speaker 5: wasn't before, it was after the debate. And it's true

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Speaker 5: that they were bucking what Biden himself said, but they

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Speaker 5: only flipped after it became okay, and they made it

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Speaker 5: even more okay. But presumably they were they flipped after

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Speaker 5: they were hearing from other people. The highest echelance of

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Speaker 5: the Democrats don't.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know how in touch they are with

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Speaker 4: Obama on a regular basis that world, but yeah, Obama's

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Speaker 4: going to still call those shots. Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 5: And they're also not entirely independent.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 5: The George Soros Management Fund has a minority stake in Kirktmedia,

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Speaker 5: which is kind of interesting, Like they got a big investment.

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Speaker 3: From his Oh that's right, that's right, the for profit wing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 4: But last point on the on the Times thing, the

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Speaker 4: so anybody who has common sense is going to look

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Speaker 4: at this and like, oh, the State Department held this

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Speaker 4: until Biden dropped out, and then once Biden dropped out,

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Speaker 4: they agreed to release it. Vogel reports that his understanding

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Speaker 4: is that they had actually already signed off on releasing

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Speaker 4: this a couple of weeks before Biden dropped out, and

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Speaker 4: that the State Department moves so ridiculously slowly that they

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Speaker 4: would not be capable of pulling off a conspiracy of

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Speaker 4: that level of like, oh, Biden's gone Okay, now you.

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Speaker 3: Get Vogel with documents.

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Speaker 4: But and so I say that, and so everybody can

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Speaker 4: know that have that information. But I also don't think

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Speaker 4: they deserve any benefit of doubt because it was their

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Speaker 4: own slow walking that got them in the position to

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Speaker 4: get accused of this malevolent behavior. So I don't actually

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Speaker 4: think it was specifically malicious around this precise conspiracy, but

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Speaker 4: I think it was definitely driven by them slow walking

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Speaker 4: public information that would be damaging to the administration in general.

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Speaker 4: And so so you don't get a get out of

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Speaker 4: scandal free card because your malevolence was only on a

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Speaker 4: gneral basis and not in a specific basis. You're still

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Speaker 4: acting in a malevolent fashion against the public interest and

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Speaker 4: against the clear statute that says that you need to

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Speaker 4: turn this information over and stop making us take you

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Speaker 4: to court all the time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the vocals reporting is fantastic on all of this stuff.

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Speaker 5: Highly recommend and it was.

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Speaker 4: Nice to see them The Times actually down this. I

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Speaker 4: think you can criticize the Times for The Times sent

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Speaker 4: out an alert on your iPhone, sent out an email

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Speaker 4: breaking news like really spiking the football and celebrating Vogel

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Speaker 4: scoop which I do not think they would have done

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Speaker 4: if Biden were still running, and I think anybody and

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Speaker 4: I think that's a reasonable suspicion. Yeah, that's an interesting

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Speaker 4: like all of a sudden, now you're celebrating vocals reporting again, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and burying the guy for years.

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Speaker 5: Seriously, seriously, Well that does it for us. On today's

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Speaker 5: edition of Counterpoints, Brian's going to be back here tomorrow.

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Speaker 5: That's the plan.

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Speaker 3: That's the plan. Yes, you because you've got on hard

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Speaker 3: stuff to do.

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Speaker 4: We're not we're not trying to do a left wing

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Speaker 4: take over the show, but when we can, we're going

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Speaker 4: to see see the moment like the Bolsheviks that we are.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's actually just such a good time

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Speaker 5: for that too. I said, the last time you and

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Speaker 5: Crystal did show together, what wasn't the last time, but

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Speaker 5: you did it one together a couple of weeks ago

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Speaker 5: after buying stepped off the ticket, And it was also

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Speaker 5: because I couldn't do it, and it was perfect timing that.

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Speaker 5: But this is too, because it's going to be the

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Speaker 5: last show before the DNC and.

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Speaker 3: We'll all be at the DNC, so we planned it

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Speaker 3: that way.

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Speaker 4: I was, that's what I was going to say just

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Speaker 4: a republics no conservatives.

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Speaker 5: Today, but I will be with O our lib team

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Speaker 5: at the d n C, so hopefully we'll have all

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Speaker 5: kinds of fun conversations there. You guys are staying in

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Speaker 5: like a frat house basically, so you know Sager, Ryan

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Speaker 5: and producers Mac and Griffin will be well rested.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's why the show is going to start later,

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Speaker 4: several hours later than normal, So don't expect in your

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Speaker 4: inbox at eleven. All the more reason to go to

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Speaker 4: Breakingpoints dot com and get a premium subscription because you're

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01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:14,679
Speaker 4: going to want to get it an hour earlier because

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01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:16,360
Speaker 4: it's going to be pretty late when we're out at

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Speaker 4: the DNC.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and the reason for that is basically, at those conventions,

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Speaker 5: the heart of this stuff starts happening in the afternoon

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Speaker 5: and especially in the evening.

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Speaker 3: So that's the actual reason.

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Speaker 5: That's the actual reason. But we'll go with your reason,

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Speaker 5: all right, So make sure to stay tuned for Ryan

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Speaker 5: and Crystal previewing the DNC a little bit tomorrow, and

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Speaker 5: then we will be on the ground in Chicago all

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Speaker 5: of next week and are excited to share some really

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Speaker 5: fun and important coverage with you guys then all right,

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Speaker 5: see you later.