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Speaker 1: On today's episode of the Command Center podcast, we have

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Speaker 1: a special guest, Jeremy green Man, one of the most

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Speaker 1: fun guests we've had on all season. We also have

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Speaker 1: breaking news from Adam Schefner. I'm not gonna tell you

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Speaker 1: what it is. You have to listen. And it's day

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Speaker 1: three of the combined workouts. Man. We got receivers, running backs, quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: It all starts right now. Welcome to Ticket to the

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Speaker 1: Draft podcast. I'm Logan Paulson here, and you know this

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Speaker 1: is one of the fun things about the combine. We

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Speaker 1: get to make friends, right and I met a beautiful

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Speaker 1: man today with a beautiful beard. His name is Jeremy

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Speaker 1: green ESPN Radio Ashville Sports Ocracy at ESPN Draft NERD. Jeremy,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us today. We really

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Speaker 1: appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. It's pleasure.

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Speaker 1: And not only is Jeremy joining us, but we had

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Speaker 1: some issues with our setup, our radio setup, and he

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Speaker 1: has provided us this beautiful podcasting space. And so he's

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Speaker 1: a beautiful man and a saint, so thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: But in addition to being a saint, he knows a

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Speaker 1: lot about football, and we have some interesting football news

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Speaker 1: and Commanders Land one there's been a trade, as reported

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Speaker 1: by Adam Schefner, And you know we're gonna talk too

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Speaker 1: much about the details of the trade, but I feel

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Speaker 1: like Jeremy's a great person to have on to talk

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Speaker 1: about what he thinks of Deebo Samuel and how it

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Speaker 1: fits for Washington. So what do you think.

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Speaker 2: Well, we went into the off season and I thought

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Speaker 2: one of the biggest things that Washington had to add

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Speaker 2: was a running mate for Terry McLaurin. I kept going

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Speaker 2: back to the Ohio State connection with a Mecca bookup

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Speaker 2: because I thought it was really perfect. Was I thought

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Speaker 2: I was out smart in the game, and your GM,

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Speaker 2: mister Peters, the savant that he is, he outsmarted me.

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Speaker 2: I actually think, knowing what I know of Jaydon Daniels,

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Speaker 2: going back to when I evaluated him coming into the draft,

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Speaker 2: I love the idea of having that weapon slot piece

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Speaker 2: that Deebo Samuel will provide. And I don't necessarily think

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Speaker 2: you're done. I know you added McCaffrey last year. He's

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Speaker 2: probably the interesting part to me sure of how do

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think that's interesting. A couple of things there. One,

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Speaker 1: you're one of the very few people had Jade Daniels

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Speaker 1: as the number one quarterback last year. I did just

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Speaker 1: to give you some insight on where his head's at

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Speaker 1: in Washington. We would probably agree with you. But I

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Speaker 1: do think Deebo Samuels is an interesting piece right stylistically

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Speaker 1: because he is not a conventional outside receiver, but he

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Speaker 1: does have kind of this playmaking nuanced playmaking ability to

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Speaker 1: You know, only played receiver for a couple of years

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Speaker 1: It's kind of exactly what the commanders need, I think

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Speaker 2: I would. It's great with with somebody like Jayden that's

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Speaker 2: Where are the ways that you can confuse a defense

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Speaker 2: by doing as many things as humanly possible. Debo can

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Speaker 2: is still something to know you've got to move piece

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Speaker 2: that that helps Jaden even more. I didn't. I don't

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Speaker 1: He's got better as the year went on.

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Speaker 2: Debo's the ultimate pre snap motion piece because you at

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Speaker 2: It's just another piece. I didn't know who was going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it does feel right, And I think the other

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Speaker 1: that's very fitting because ultimately this is a draft show

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Speaker 1: What do you think of the group today? You know,

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Speaker 2: I think this receiver class is really good. It's really deep.

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Speaker 2: forgetting guys. This one is. It's not quite like that,

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Speaker 2: but it is dealer's choice no matter what you're looking for.

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Speaker 2: We saw some great high weight speed ras guys today.

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Speaker 2: I think you have a lot of really good route runners.

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Speaker 1: So just to give you, like how psychotic our guy

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Speaker 2: That really depends on how they feel about Diami Brown.

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Speaker 2: What's the role if he's gone. I'm looking for more

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about like you know. To me, it's like

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Speaker 1: there's guys like Kyle Williams, Jalen Knowle, you know, Isaiah Bond.

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Speaker 2: Have Isaiah Bond in the third, especially after he started

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about that today. I mean, so a quarterback

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Speaker 2: For sure. If if we were putting on a golf course,

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Speaker 2: were a whole lot of lipouts. I always feel bad

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Speaker 1: It was absolutely true, though, And I like that you

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Speaker 2: I think all of the ex'es are going to get

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Speaker 1: Well, the guy next on the list that you're reading

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Speaker 1: this monster day to day.

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Speaker 2: He had a monster day. And those guys always make

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Speaker 2: me really nervous, tell me because they become unicorns, and

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Speaker 2: we I always call that the off seasons, lying season.

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Speaker 2: It's also dumb, dumb season where we see a guy

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Speaker 2: that runs. He's six' four and he ran a four to.

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Speaker 2: THREE i can't remember the gu four four. EIGHT i

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Speaker 2: think four four eight and all the athletic testing numbers were, fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Vertical, crazy, broad and that's.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic he's a great. Athlete the problem, IS i go

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Speaker 2: back to the tape and go but there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of times that you're not a great football. PLAYER i

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Speaker 2: like the fit For washington With higgins because you got

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Speaker 2: to be. Patient Iowa state is one of those schools

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Speaker 2: that THEY i Think Matt campbell does a good job

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Speaker 2: of finding two three star. Recruits he develops them because

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Speaker 2: they stay in the program, forever but then they're really

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Speaker 2: contoured To Iowa state so he's been there four. Years

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Speaker 2: i'm really good at What Iowa state asked me to.

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Speaker 2: Do this works with their defensive guys. Too but can

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Speaker 2: you do you have any versatility outside of? That you

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Speaker 2: were so raw coming in here that you never really

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Speaker 2: played anything. Else you were just a big guy that runs.

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Speaker 1: Fast. YEAH i was surprised by his workout because to,

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Speaker 1: me he felt like a slot only guy and then

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Speaker 1: now he worked out like he's a TRUE. X but,

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Speaker 1: like which do you trust in this? Example which do

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Speaker 1: you trust more of the, film which is kind of

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Speaker 1: like he's a big slot kind of Like Drake london

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Speaker 1: the way they use him In, atlanta or is he

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Speaker 1: a guy that you think up? Outside at some POINT.

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Speaker 2: I trust the film. MORE i thought he could be

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Speaker 2: developed into AN. X BUT i was looking at him

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Speaker 2: at the back end the three beginning of. Four, okay

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Speaker 2: now he's going to be pushed, up and that's to.

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Speaker 2: Me the combine is so dangerous for that reason because

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Speaker 2: you get a guy Like Jaden, higgins WHO i had

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Speaker 2: a high grade on in terms of future. Projection BECAUSE

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Speaker 2: i think you're gonna go a little. LAYER i can

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Speaker 2: be a little slower with. You this is A i'm

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Speaker 2: A jets. Fan so the, Reference i'm, SORRY i call

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Speaker 2: this The Stephen hill.

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Speaker 1: Rule oh, great pull by.

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Speaker 2: You Stephen hill Was Stephen hill couldn't play dead in

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Speaker 2: A cowboy. Movie but he was really big and he

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Speaker 2: was really. Fast they did forget there is another thing

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Speaker 2: that you have to what's that? Work? Catch you do

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Speaker 2: have to be able to, catch and he could not do.

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Speaker 1: That this is unfair To Jaydon higgins to compare him To,

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Speaker 1: hell like of all, people to compare him.

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Speaker 2: To so they have a physical. Profile we've been seeing

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Speaker 2: us up on the board at the combine Of, Hey

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Speaker 2: omar And hampton is just Like Breecee, hall except for

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Speaker 2: the fact their games don't replicate each other in any

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Speaker 2: way whatsoever Because Breeze hall is way short area quicker

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Speaker 2: shift here in terms of the physical, profile there is

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Speaker 2: a connection there to a lot of guys and the

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Speaker 2: bus rad on that's really high because they come to

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Speaker 2: the combine here they run really fast and we start

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Speaker 2: getting we start salvating over the. Projection this is what

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Speaker 2: you can. Be you gotta focus more on what they.

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Speaker 2: Are Jaden higgins in the third, ROUND i can play

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Speaker 2: you thirty to thirty five snaps the rookie. Year try

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Speaker 2: to bump that up to thirty five to forty the second,

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Speaker 2: year and then by the third. Year now you're a

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Speaker 2: true inline starter Because i've been able to develop. You

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Speaker 2: Dami dami with you. GUYS a great. EXAMPLE i covered

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Speaker 2: him At North. CAROLINA i loved the raw. Potential he

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Speaker 2: really fit At. Caroline he's one of the leading receivers

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Speaker 2: we've ever. Had but then he goes to THE nfl

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Speaker 2: and he went a little bit higher THAN i expected him,

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Speaker 2: to but it never felt like he found a role

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Speaker 2: until this the end of the year last, year and

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Speaker 2: now he's going to cash. In and this is the

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Speaker 2: cycle of THE nfl because NOW i feel like he's

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Speaker 2: going to cash, In he's going to be asked to

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Speaker 2: be something that he's.

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Speaker 1: Not. Yeah, ABSOLUTELY i think he's a really that's gonna

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Speaker 1: be really interesting to, watch like how he kind of.

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Speaker 1: Progresses another GUY i wanted to ask you. ABOUT i

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Speaker 1: don't know if you've watched him From Colorado State Tory. Horton, Yes,

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Speaker 1: so what's so because he's a guy in terms of x's,

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Speaker 1: right and he's coming off a knee, injury not a

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Speaker 1: lot of production Twenty andy four was an absolutely. Monster

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three ran well today had a really

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Speaker 1: good forty, time ran a four to four to, one

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Speaker 1: WHICH i wasn't, expecting BUT i wasn't either six to.

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Speaker 1: Three he's like one hundred and ninety five, pounds so

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Speaker 1: kind of got that. Build what do you think about

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Speaker 1: him maybe in that kind of third or fourth round For.

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Speaker 2: Washington, Now Tory, horton that's the funny thing about the.

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Speaker 2: Combine Tory horton didn't blow out the, combine but he

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Speaker 2: had a really good.

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Speaker 1: Workout.

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Speaker 2: Yea so now look at that guy and, go your

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Speaker 2: projection didn't actually. Change now you're still in the back

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Speaker 2: end of the three beginning of full and now the value

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Speaker 2: on you is so much. HIGHER i can be patient with.

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Speaker 2: You and that makes me like the future projection For

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Speaker 2: Tory horton better THAN i like it For Jaden.

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Speaker 1: Higgins oh, okay so, yeah let's sell a click on

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Speaker 1: that for a. Second so what about? It because you,

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Speaker 1: know when you look At, higgins he's crazy productive in.

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Speaker 1: College you see him on every, route and then you,

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Speaker 1: know Obviously horden is coming off this injury where there's

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Speaker 1: a little bit of gray. Area why do you feel

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Speaker 1: better about his projection.

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Speaker 2: Because he's going to go. Later, okay SO i can

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Speaker 2: really maybe him. Along. GUY i, mean you know What i'm.

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Speaker 2: Saying In Colorado, States you're talking about a huge jump in,

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Speaker 2: competition and he's not. Refined he does a lot of

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Speaker 2: things really, well AND i can steer into that early

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Speaker 2: as a. Piece But i'm WHAT i found that a

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Speaker 2: lot of teams do is they take a receiver in

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Speaker 2: the first round and they Go they just kind of

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Speaker 2: wipe their hands and, Go we're. Done we took this

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Speaker 2: kid in the first. Round now we have our. One

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Speaker 2: everybody else moves. Down our former one becomes our. Two

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Speaker 2: we move guy into the slot that we really, like

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Speaker 2: and the receiver room's. Done but not a lot of

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Speaker 2: not all of these rookies are. Refined, Yeah Chris alive

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Speaker 2: is one THAT i don't know Why i'm stuck On

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Speaker 2: ohio state receivers.

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Speaker 1: Today there have.

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Speaker 2: Been a lot of good. ONES A lave was a

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Speaker 2: guy THAT i DIDN'T i didn't love him coming. OUT

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Speaker 2: i loved his raw, talent AND i liked the fit

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Speaker 2: In New orleans originally because you didn't they didn't have

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Speaker 2: a dedicated. Slot Michael thomas was hurt all the, time

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Speaker 2: SO i could slide a live into the slot WHILE

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Speaker 2: i was teaching him to play AT x and teach

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Speaker 2: him to be an outside receiver because he had done

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Speaker 2: it so much At Ohio. State you don't really see

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Speaker 2: teams do that with top fifty. Picks savvey On williams

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Speaker 2: a guy THAT i feel pretty sure you're gonna ask

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Speaker 2: me about at some point because he's HE'S i came

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Speaker 2: up with.

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Speaker 1: THAT i was going to ask you about. Him but

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Speaker 1: and then they allegedly Signed deebo, said According Adam, scheffner yeah,

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Speaker 1: so but, yeah they are very similar, prospects.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yes and And Savvy williams is one of those

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Speaker 2: guys THAT i was afraid he was going to come.

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Speaker 2: Here and my line About savvey On williams is HE'S i,

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Speaker 2: know he's a unicorn FROM tcu by the, Way, yes

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Speaker 2: the receiver that he's Like Cordero. Patterson he plays running,

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Speaker 2: back he plays. Receiver he doesn't really have any nuance

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Speaker 2: with any of. It my line With Savvy williams is

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Speaker 2: he's a. UNICORN i just haven't decided yet IF i

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Speaker 2: want to write it or eat.

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Speaker 1: It, yeah you did say that, today Because i'm not.

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Speaker 2: SURE i don't know if IT'S i don't know if

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Speaker 2: that's an eating meat or if that's a pet. MEAT

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Speaker 2: i don't. KNOW i know it's, good, yeah BUT i

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Speaker 2: don't know exactly what it.

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Speaker 1: Is and is there anybody that's like your guy that

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Speaker 1: you're like, Saying, hey, Man i'm really excited to see

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Speaker 1: this player in like maybe a developmental role or a

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Speaker 1: guy that maybe people aren't talking about the same. Way

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Speaker 1: AND i know we've got a lot of people here

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Speaker 1: at the combine that are tough to talk, about but

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Speaker 1: just if there's anybody that comes to, mind you're, like,

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Speaker 1: oh maybe this is someone that deserves more Pub, basically.

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Speaker 2: Well one of the bad things about being a draft

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Speaker 2: nerd if you're even kind of good at. It AND

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Speaker 2: i would, Say I'm I'm i'm like scratching the surface

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Speaker 2: of maybe one DAY i will kind of be good at. This.

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Speaker 2: YEAH i was in love With Dante. Thornton, okay Because

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Speaker 2: tennessee had a ton of receivers and they love the

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Speaker 2: cycle guys in and, out so there's a ton of

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Speaker 2: trail all the tires can get for.

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Speaker 1: You this is going to look good for you this

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Speaker 1: kind Of i've talked about him.

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Speaker 2: A lot BECAUSE i knew he was going to run.

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Speaker 2: FAST i did not know that he was going to

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Speaker 2: go Full Eli. Manning think, fast run fast to a

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Speaker 2: four to. Three, YEAH i didn't say.

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Speaker 1: That, come he's six, five like two, fifteen two, seventeen

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Speaker 1: so a big, dude big, dude run.

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Speaker 2: Fast i'm always a fan of the big receiver that

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Speaker 2: can run fast early because at the very, least every

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Speaker 2: team in THE nfl just watched you run a four three,

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Speaker 2: forty so they see you pop out on the outside

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Speaker 2: for that ten to twelve to fifteen snaps that you,

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Speaker 2: play and what does that safety? Do safety is invariably

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Speaker 2: looking at, him, going please don't beat me, Deep please

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Speaker 2: don't beat me, deep because if that's if you catch

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Speaker 2: that step and Now i'm trailing, you this is gonna

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Speaker 2: be one of those tapes that teams use against me.

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Speaker 2: Forever of See Dante, thornton you weren't paying attention and

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Speaker 2: over the top he. Went Jalen, hyatt the kid played

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Speaker 2: for The, giants also went To. Tennessee he's another one

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Speaker 2: of those he's not a great refined. Prospect they have

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Speaker 2: brought him along slowly because he wasn't a, refined finished

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Speaker 2: product at. Receiver but what he could do is be,

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Speaker 2: real real, fast and he's still real real. Fast so

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Speaker 2: every time he hits the, field you have to worry about.

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Speaker 2: Him WHERE i get into issues is with the more middling.

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Speaker 2: PLAYERS i don't tend to love the, bigger bodied hands

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Speaker 2: catcher that plays out of the. Slot love. That so

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Speaker 2: The Jack betches of the. World now he's an exception

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Speaker 2: BECAUSE i do love.

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Speaker 1: Him well today thought he looked. Again he's a Little

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Speaker 1: it's so funny because he's good at, football but he's

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Speaker 1: a little, stiff he's a little. Slow he just is

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Speaker 1: good at. Football so like to, me he's, like you,

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Speaker 1: know kind of a poor Man's Cooper cup kind of

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Speaker 1: you know WHAT i, Mean like that type of guy

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Speaker 1: where he's got to go to the right spot to be.

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Speaker 2: Successful jack betch Is Julian edelman If Julian edelman had

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Speaker 2: eaten his wheedies and drank his milk and said his.

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Speaker 2: Prayers because he's way, bigger is way more, physical and

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Speaker 2: he's a really good hands. Catcher that's WHAT i like.

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Speaker 2: About but if you're gonna be one of those, guys

431
00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,720
Speaker 2: you have to be really aggressive and really violent at

432
00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,960
Speaker 2: the point of the catch because you're not going to

433
00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,199
Speaker 2: outrun these. Guys so you're. Good everything you do is

434
00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,520
Speaker 2: going to be, contested and, betch everything he does is contested.

435
00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,440
Speaker 2: Contested the only thing is that every time he does,

436
00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,800
Speaker 2: it he wins because you're so violent with his. Hands

437
00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,760
Speaker 2: and that's WHY i like him. Now And i'll Just

438
00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,080
Speaker 2: i'm looking down the list Here Kyle. WILLIAMS i Like

439
00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,400
Speaker 2: Kyle williams with the ball in his, hand but he's

440
00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,000
Speaker 2: a smaller. Guy he's not violent at the point of the.

441
00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,040
Speaker 2: Catch he showed today that he's not as crazy. Athletic

442
00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,800
Speaker 2: that was. SURPRISING i can't say THAT i didn't think

443
00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,159
Speaker 2: the forty time was going to be. Crazy, YEAH i

444
00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:09,439
Speaker 2: thought the splits would be.

445
00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,639
Speaker 1: BETTER i actually THOUGHT i was actually honestly fine with.

446
00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:14,719
Speaker 1: That as a route, RUNNER i was a little bit

447
00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,040
Speaker 1: disappointed just because he was a little bit, Stiffer LIKE

448
00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:18,919
Speaker 1: i like the route runners to be kind of nice and,

449
00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,479
Speaker 1: loose have like a nice loose fox Wolber, back and

450
00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,280
Speaker 1: he was just a little bit, stiffer a little bit,

451
00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,000
Speaker 1: tighter kind of to your, point like that top shelf.

452
00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,720
Speaker 1: Movement skill wasn't there the WAY i thought it would be.

453
00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,800
Speaker 2: There he was really impressive with The Singer.

454
00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,080
Speaker 1: Bowl great at The Singer.

455
00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,439
Speaker 2: BOWL i had a coach tell me something about him

456
00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:39,359
Speaker 2: BECAUSE i started waxing poetic About Kyle, williams and he pointed,

457
00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,920
Speaker 2: out it's our. Guy and one of my favorite guests

458
00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,720
Speaker 2: that comes on my show Can't. Briggs he's a head

459
00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,000
Speaker 2: coach back In North. Carolina he was a defensive, guy

460
00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,960
Speaker 2: so he was watching him from the defensive. Perspective i'm

461
00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,679
Speaker 2: watching him from the receiver. Perspective he's talking about how

462
00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,560
Speaker 2: you defend, him and he said he's never going to

463
00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,840
Speaker 2: be a safety over the, top never because he's just

464
00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,720
Speaker 2: not straight lined. Fast so ALL i have to do

465
00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:00,960
Speaker 2: is keep him in front of me and keep that

466
00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,240
Speaker 2: short area. Burst so THEN i start watching him at

467
00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,520
Speaker 2: the combine AND i understand, now going back to the,

468
00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,240
Speaker 2: film why before we got into The Senior bowl and

469
00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,000
Speaker 2: into the postseason, PROCESS i had him as a five

470
00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,240
Speaker 2: to a. Six, WELL i bumped him up after The Senior,

471
00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,480
Speaker 2: bowl but then he comes here and he confirms everything he.

472
00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:20,440
Speaker 2: DID i believe there are three tiers to every prospect.

473
00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:25,200
Speaker 2: Evail there's the film there's the postseason game and. Week

474
00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,199
Speaker 2: so if you have The Senior Bowl Shrine, BOWL i

475
00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,720
Speaker 2: take less into The Shrine, bowl but it's it's still

476
00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,840
Speaker 2: there in my head because you're playing with a similar

477
00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,840
Speaker 2: level of. Talent and then the combine two of two

478
00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:37,480
Speaker 2: of those three are going to tell me the exact same.

479
00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,600
Speaker 2: THING i usually take the other one as an. Outlier

480
00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,880
Speaker 2: Kyle williams the outliers of The Senior. Bowl not gonna

481
00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,520
Speaker 2: say he's off my. Board he's just a DEVELOPMENTAL i,

482
00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,719
Speaker 2: think slot exclusive, player not Somebody i'm going to put

483
00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,080
Speaker 2: a ton of resources, into but somebody that maybe he pays.

484
00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,000
Speaker 1: Off and AS i, say that's not a bad. THING

485
00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,040
Speaker 1: i think it's, because like we always talked about this

486
00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,680
Speaker 1: on the, show like the draft is ultimately about mitigating

487
00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,560
Speaker 1: risks for chanaging. Risks so can he develop into? Something,

488
00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,159
Speaker 1: yes like he catches the, football, well he's very productive in.

489
00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,040
Speaker 1: College you saw him do it again at the senior.

490
00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,520
Speaker 1: World but there is this kind of lack of elite

491
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,960
Speaker 1: athleticism that's going to make that very difficult for him

492
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,640
Speaker 1: at THE nfl. Level and we've talked a lot about wide.

493
00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,880
Speaker 1: RECEIVERS i want to ask you something about defensive line

494
00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,400
Speaker 1: and offensive, line and it feels like that's the spot

495
00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,240
Speaker 1: THAT i would assume The Washington commanders to go at twenty.

496
00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 1: Nine and this is this seems like a very heavy

497
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:31,160
Speaker 1: defensive line. Class defensive, tackle defensive, end and then offensive line.

498
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,240
Speaker 1: Also and you know you've written a lot of reports

499
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 1: and just what's your take on guys you think could

500
00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,480
Speaker 1: fill those roles potentially and be good value at twenty

501
00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:41,200
Speaker 1: nine for The Washington.

502
00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,680
Speaker 2: Commanders this is a great year to need an. Edge

503
00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,720
Speaker 2: this is a great year to any defensive tackle because

504
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,119
Speaker 2: we're so. Deep so one of the articles THAT i,

505
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,880
Speaker 2: write AND i actually be coming out next week on

506
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 2: my website new, Website we're in The we're in the

507
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,520
Speaker 2: beta THE Nfl draft Dot. Net i'm really wanting to

508
00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,280
Speaker 2: launch it for next. Year. Yea BUT i wanted to

509
00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,359
Speaker 2: see what content, works what, doesn't and what people engage.

510
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,399
Speaker 2: With so one of the ARTICLES i write IS i

511
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 2: give every team a ranking of how your draft capital

512
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,680
Speaker 2: fits your. Needs i'm A Carolina panther. Affiliate they pick

513
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 2: at eight this week was aces For carolina because you

514
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,400
Speaker 2: Had Shimar, stewart you Had Mike, green you Had James.

515
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,440
Speaker 2: Pearce you had all these guys that play up into

516
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 2: that top. Ten they were eight in a seven man.

517
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 2: Draft that's as bad as it, gets, Right but then

518
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,919
Speaker 2: you get these players that Shmar stewart's, yeah not of this.

519
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,680
Speaker 2: EARTH i think if you poked, him green ooze would

520
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 2: come out of, him BECAUSE i don't think he pleads

521
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 2: because he's not of this. Earth, washington on the other,

522
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 2: hand the beauty of them is that they can sit

523
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,679
Speaker 2: back at their pick and let the board fall to.

524
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,400
Speaker 1: Him and do you THINK i Think that's the thing

525
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,399
Speaker 1: That i'm trying to get fans understand IS i do

526
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,360
Speaker 1: think at twenty, NINE i think people freak out because

527
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 1: it's in the first. Round there's no like quote unquote

528
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 1: blue chip. Player BUT i say to, myself there's going

529
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 1: to be a good football player. There LIKE i Think

530
00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 1: Landon jackson From arkansas is a very reason and we'll

531
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 1: pick Between i'm gonna say twenty five and. Forty and

532
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 1: so if if The commanders picked him as an example

533
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 1: because he killed the combine earlier this, week like that

534
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 1: seems like a nice. Fit.

535
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 2: Lanta jackson's a guy That i'm really high. On AND

536
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 2: i go back to my two thirds. Roll Lanta jackson's

537
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 2: tape is really. Good, Yeah Lanna jackson was really good

538
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 2: at the. Combine Lanta jackson was almost relevant. Singer oh.

539
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 2: STOP i didn't hate on, that, MAN I i just

540
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,159
Speaker 2: not hate. IT i was just a Little. LOOK i

541
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 2: live In North. CAROLINA i drive everywhere we, Go SO

542
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 2: i drove like eight hours to go See Landa jackson

543
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 2: and he was in my top five GUYS i wanted

544
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 2: to see and he just left me once.

545
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 1: More, YEAH i, SEE i.

546
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 2: See he was Like. Avadar everybody told me how great it.

547
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,120
Speaker 2: Was THEN i saw. It it was flying.

548
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: Blue but that's the other thing THAT i think people

549
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,400
Speaker 1: don't understand, about like draft doing draft devows is if,

550
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,919
Speaker 1: so my expectation for him was relatively. Low so WHEN

551
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: i watched the, film it's. Higher, right your expectation was

552
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 1: high and obviously a little bit. Disappointed SO i think

553
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 1: that's totally. Reasonable but, yeah SO i just says a

554
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 1: name to. THROUGHOUT i love. Him he's very.

555
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 2: VIOLENT i think he would fit exactly what you're wanting to,

556
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 2: do because you're wanting to get Dan quinn. Guys you're

557
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 2: wanting to get guys to play in this defense and

558
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 2: he fits in this defense because he's gonna get after.

559
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 2: Quarterbacks he's, long he's. LEAN i do worry sometimes how

560
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 2: he's going to hold up against the run in THE.

561
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 2: Nfl but the Way washington's, BUILT i don't necessarily have

562
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 2: to have you be the three, down no doubt. Everything

563
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 2: Immediately now to what you said about picking at the

564
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 2: end of the first, round let me take a little

565
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 2: walk down at The Kansas City chiefs had picked at

566
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 2: the back end of the first round for a lot of.

567
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: Years you know what the beauty of that. IS i

568
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,360
Speaker 2: don't have to reach for. Need so when a guy

569
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 2: starts to fall Like trent McDuffie did in twenty twenty,

570
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 2: TWO i go attack, that OR i Have Karl loftis

571
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 2: fall in my, lap OR i Have Racy rice fall

572
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 2: in my. Lab that's the beauty of being a good.

573
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,719
Speaker 2: Team you have a ton of free agency. Dollars so

574
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 2: if you're looking at the draft and you're not comfortable

575
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 2: with this tackle, class you don't think there's going to

576
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 2: be one there at the in the twenties that you

577
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 2: go attack tackling free agency and you be in the.

578
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 2: Draft you're reactive to what the other. Teams DID i

579
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 2: pull for a bad? Team i'm also an affiliate for

580
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 2: a bad. Team there's a lot of bad teams in my,

581
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 2: life AND i don't get a lot of, joy you,

582
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 2: know for somebody that does football for a, LIVING i

583
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 2: don't get a lot of joy from.

584
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 1: It. Yeah, Yeah SO i think that's a, great great.

585
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: Point AND i think something else THAT i forgot to

586
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: ask you about. Earlier because running backs did go. Today

587
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: quarterbacks did go. TODAY i, Know washington quarterbacks not a big.

588
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 2: Thing oh, no you already did. That, well thank.

589
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: You, yeah we don't Do, yeah that was one of

590
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: the great things about covering your team last year is

591
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: game changing. Quarterback but the quarterback class this year high level.

592
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: THOUGHTS a lot of people aren't that stoked about. It

593
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: is there anybody you're, like hey, man this guy's better

594
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: than people. Think the guy from The louisville comes to.

595
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 1: Mind for.

596
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 2: ME i Love Tyler Shuck. Shuck there are. Two, yeah

597
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 2: his name doesn't look like it's it's pronounced the way

598
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 2: that it, is BUT i can't attest it As Tyler.

599
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 2: SHUCK i Like Jackson dart a. LOT i after this,

600
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 2: WEEK i Have Jackson dart at. Too over over Shed.

601
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 2: ORTON i like Cam. WARD i like Cam. WARD i,

602
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 2: mean and all of these Quarterbacks i'm in like and,

603
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 2: like all, right we're we're. Dating you, know it may

604
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 2: be a nice dinner at The Olive. Garden we're not

605
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 2: talking rings or anything like. That SO i, MEAN i

606
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 2: look at all of these Guys Olive applebee's for those

607
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 2: dollar marks we were talking about. Earlier we're having some.

608
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 2: Fun maybe it leads to something one. DAY i don't.

609
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 2: Know if it, doesn't then no, harm no. Fail the

610
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 2: problem is that Cam word's going to go at, Two

611
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 2: h's going to go at, three And Jackson Dart i've

612
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 2: already resigned myself to it is going to The jets at.

613
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 1: Seven if that you said that to me earlier, today

614
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 1: that would be.

615
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,959
Speaker 2: WILD I i, mean we just saw it last. YEAR

616
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 2: i was at the draft In detroit last year and

617
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 2: we were up on radio. Row so the way that

618
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 2: works is they set up the whole. Thing you're upstairs

619
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 2: in the convention, center so they come in to do

620
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 2: their interviews right behind. You the window was open SO

621
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 2: i could Hear Roger, goodell but it wasn't up on the,

622
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,199
Speaker 2: television AND i heard with the eighth, pick The Atlanta

623
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 2: foul can Select Michael Pennox AND i looked around and

624
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 2: did he just read the wrong, name because THAT i

625
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 2: Had blood's coming out of my ears now AND i

626
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 2: don't understand the words that you just. SAID i think

627
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 2: that's what you're gonna With Jackson dart as we all

628
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 2: just look around At.

629
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: He's not Even it's not the same prospect, though you

630
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: know What i'm, Saying, like where Would Jackson? Dart like

631
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: where would any of these guys rake in last year's?

632
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: Class AND i AM i did a lot of quarterback

633
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 1: evoul last. Year i've done as much this. Year but

634
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: it just seems like all those, guys you felt really

635
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: good about the floor of, them you know WHAT i,

636
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: Mean you felt really good about where they would, fall

637
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: their abilities the, Upside and this year it's there seems

638
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: to be more questions than.

639
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 2: Answers, okay So i'm gonna go blind rank last three

640
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 2: years WHERE i would rank the. Quarterbacks i'll go back

641
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 2: to twenty. Two love It and now that makes it

642
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 2: sound better than it, is because twenty twenty two, crickets

643
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: none of, them they're all, Terrible and only was That

644
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett's, yes that was little tiny, hands can You?

645
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 2: Pickett and, yes it's a little hand signal THAT i,

646
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: do AND i wiggle my fingers and. Go it's because

647
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 2: he looks like he just tiggled you with his. Land

648
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 2: Kenny pickett was. Terrible that whole class was. Terrible so

649
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 2: you can take all them. Out IF i was going quarterbacks,

650
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 2: NOW i would Have jaden. One drake may would have

651
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 2: been my. Two Bryce young would have been my, Three

652
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 2: Caleb williams would have been my, four and then we

653
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 2: start getting into the maybe a slide Cam warden right.

654
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 2: HERE i Hated Anthony, richardson so, okay and that might

655
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 2: be a little. BIASED i really didn't Like Anthony. RICHARDSON

656
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 2: i THOUGHT. J. J McCarthy was super. Raw Bo nix

657
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: was that's the settle day we're talking. About we're making the,

658
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 2: relationship that's the we're both forty. Five let's just LIKE

659
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 2: i don't want to Die, Loan SO i, mean you're a,

660
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 2: quarterback we need a. Quarterback let's just let's just go

661
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 2: To Atlantic city and just gamble away our life. Savings it's,

662
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 2: fine there's just no upside to. It AND i Liked.

663
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 2: PANIX i would Say Michael Pennix junior and Cam ward

664
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: in terms of, GRADE i have one tenth of a

665
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 2: point off between the two of them in terms of.

666
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 2: Grade and then you get Into Jackson. Dart he would

667
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 2: be closer to like a, McCarthy where he's just a lottery.

668
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 2: TICKET i know he has the. RAW i like the

669
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 2: body the knock on On, dart AND i think this

670
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: is really. Stupid So i'm gonna preface. That everybody talks

671
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 2: about how well he plays in this pick and pop

672
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 2: system and he can't do. Anything but he. Didn't he

673
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 2: played AT usc and he was really good until you,

674
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 2: KNOW usc looked around and, went WE'RE usc and we

675
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 2: don't use anybody, appropriately which is why every one of

676
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 2: our players goes to THE nfl and gets. Better. Yeah

677
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: SO i just look At dart and the totality of the.

678
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 2: Evil there's a lot. There DO i love the idea

679
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 2: of him going. TEN i would prefer him to go

680
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 2: at the back end of the first beginning of the.

681
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 2: Second But I've i've mentally told myself that fifty year

682
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 2: options going to push him into One's there's a no

683
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: doubt of that some team is going to fall in

684
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 2: love could be The, steelers could be The. Jets then

685
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 2: from there it falls off a cliff and boo. Bird

686
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 2: Will howard probably is my. Four him And Tyler schuck

687
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: are my four and, five and it's just a question

688
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 2: of which one DO i like. Better i'm warming To

689
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 2: howard And i'm staying pretty neutral On. Chuck i've always

690
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 2: been higher on. Him he went to the series president.

691
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: Today he was impressive. Day he's am president of The SENIOR.

692
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: Rowl he's an impressive. KID a lot of things have

693
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: gone wrong For tyler. Show he's had three catastrophic season

694
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 2: ending knee. INJURIES i, mean he's twenty five years. Old

695
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 2: i'll give you a fun little u pull a little

696
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: info getting ready for. This Javonte williams is a free

697
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 2: agent in THE. Nfl he is twenty four point seven years.

698
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 2: Old Tyler shuck has not been drafted yet and he

699
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: is twenty five point two years.

700
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: Old he's an old.

701
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: Fellow he's A he's the only draft eligible quarterback that

702
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: can rent a.

703
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: CAR i, mean, facts, man nothing to say about. That

704
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: BUT i think this is this is. Relevan this is

705
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: a relevant, conversation right because for the, commanders because this

706
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: is A commander show is because instead of last, year

707
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: where there's six guys that go and it pushes down

708
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: all these. Prospects, now some of these guys that are

709
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: fringe guys like we talked About land And, jackson Are

710
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: higgins the receiver From Iowa. State they're going to get

711
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: pushed up boards in the areas where you wouldn't expect

712
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: them to normally go. Right AND i think that's why

713
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: this is a relevant conversation because the quarterback, classes it's

714
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: not pushing other positions. Down the.

715
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 2: Best the best thing that could happen For washington the

716
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: back end of the twenties is a team falls in

717
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 2: love With Will. Howard, no, no.

718
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: Don't say, that and they want to and don't you say.

719
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: It you're get to trade in the first round For Will.

720
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: Howard that's what you're saying right.

721
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: NOW i love.

722
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: You you've been. Amazing we might have to fight after this.

723
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: Show, well here's the thing you got to. Remember we

724
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: don't have to convince thirty two. Things, yeah we're one

725
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 2: that's desperate looking at we are going to start To

726
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 2: Rod taylor next. YEAR i don't THINK i want, to all,

727
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 2: Right And i'm not saying THAT i think it will.

728
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 2: Happen there is there is so much smoke With Will

729
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 2: howard that it's for. Me it gives me the, angina

730
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: AND i start FEELING i might have a heart attack

731
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 2: BECAUSE i Saying Will howard in first round pick in

732
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 2: the same, sentence is is? Lunacy that it's it's like grapefruits.

733
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: INTENTION i literally loved every every word you've said so,

734
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: far and all of a, sudden this comment unvalidates everything you've.

735
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 2: Said there are teams that Like Will howard so. Much

736
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 2: D i think somebody could do. Something somebody does something

737
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: stupid for a quarterback every, year fact or. Fiction if

738
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 2: somebody does something, stupid it's a.

739
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: Fact if that were to, happen that would be awesome

740
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: for think.

741
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: Manners, well we now. Can't we can't tangibly look At Jackson.

742
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: Darton so you're gonna do something stupid because we think

743
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 2: he's distanced. Himself so if you take him in the first,

744
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 2: round you AND i both agree he does look like

745
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 2: a first round. Quarterback, true maybe not, seven but it won.

746
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 2: True so where does where's the? Dumb? Dumb trading at

747
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: thirty trading up to twenty nine to Get Will hour

748
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: that's one of those That i'm just gonna yell out

749
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 2: the door and, go you shouldn't have. Done you're going

750
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: to regret you did.

751
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: That, obviously kind of a week year for, quarterbacks. Right

752
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: but one another group that worked out today was running,

753
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: backs AND i have been overwhelmed by how talented this

754
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: group appears to. Be and we didn't see the workout

755
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: today because we were running around trying to find our.

756
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: STUFF i couldn't find. It that's where we're doing the podcast.

757
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: Here and you're beautiful. Kitchen but but give us a

758
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: couple of high level thoughts on this, group because, again

759
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: like there just seems to Be get to like, ten you're,

760
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,719
Speaker 1: like that guy's a good football. Player get to, fifteen

761
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: that guy's still. Good get to like. Twenty you're saying

762
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: this guy could start in THE nfl at some point

763
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: in a. Role AND i think that's that overwhelms me

764
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: with this.

765
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: Position you remember when we were kids and they had

766
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 2: Those goosebump. Books there were scary books and, you depending

767
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 2: on how you wanted it to, end you flip to

768
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 2: a different page and you could you basically wrote at

769
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: the ending. Yourself that's how running back works in this.

770
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: Class whatever you need you can, find and we have

771
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: two bel. Coals Ashton gent's a. BEILCOW i don't like

772
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: him as much as everybody else, does but that just

773
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 2: MEANS i don't have him at three, overall, RIGHT i

774
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: mean he's my.

775
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: ELEVEN i mean he's my eleven, overall and just for,

776
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: context like that's still amazing for running.

777
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 2: Back and for me to say that about a running

778
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 2: back is. Insane i'm by the Male kuiper theory Of

779
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 2: i'll never take one of the first.

780
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: Round i'm the same. Way and so he is a

781
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: very talented. Player and Then Marion hampton's another guy that's pretty.

782
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: Talented how was his workout? Today he was, very very.

783
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 2: Good he's a guy that we obviously covered With North,

784
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 2: carolina AND i think he's the do everything. Back he's

785
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: a better pass, catcher that's no. Doubt his film In

786
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: Pass pro is, better that's no. Doubt he's not as

787
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 2: good between the tackles as, genty but for, me theire

788
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: ONE a in ONE b his gens eleven And hampton's,

789
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: fifteen and.

790
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: Again talking about superhero traits with running, backs his contact

791
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: balance to me is. Tremendous he is to, me he.

792
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: Is he's what we Thought Javonte williams would before the knee.

793
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: Injury great great comp and and.

794
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: With Mac jones just Or Mack, Johnson Mac jones was

795
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: the god awful quarterback for The. Patriots Mac brown recruited

796
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 2: a lot of the same type of running. Back he

797
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: always had a, bigger, angular, upright, shifty do everything back

798
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: and then the backup was a smaller guy that kind

799
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: of filled the area of. Weakness he did the same.

800
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 2: Thing javonte And hampton are very similar looking. Prospects to,

801
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: ME i Like hampton better AND i think he IS

802
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 2: i keep putting in with The Chargers i've, seen oh,

803
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 2: yeah and The chargers are really intriguing to. Me The

804
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: vikings are really intriguing to. Me then you get into

805
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 2: that second, here which is WHERE i think The commanders

806
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 2: would come. In, yeah BECAUSE i love B. Rob, yeah

807
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: AND i think he has a role in a. COMMITTEE

808
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: i just don't think he could be the head of the.

809
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: SNAKE i think that's kind of what a lot of

810
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: fans are kind of feeling at the. Moment and so,

811
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: again we think he's very, talented good football. Player Austin

812
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: eckler is still under, contract so two, backs BUT i

813
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 1: do think you could add a little bit of juice

814
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: potentially that. Group and a guy That i'm seeing on

815
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: your list here Is junkins From Ohio, state who is

816
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: the big. Guy he is the big, guy but he

817
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: also ran like a small guy, today which was.

818
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: Surprising Quin John judkins Is he's a tough evaluation because

819
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 2: you just haven't seen the depth of the. Work oh,

820
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 2: yeah AND i thought that his last year in college

821
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 2: would be that, year and then he transferred To Ohio

822
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 2: state and now he's Got Trevon henderson and those two

823
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 2: they compliment each other so well that it may be

824
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 2: covering up a, deficiency which is Why i've been. More

825
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 2: i'm going to wade in the shallow. End i'm not

826
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 2: Saying i'm not in the. Pool i'm just not going

827
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 2: to dive in head first BECAUSE i don't know which

828
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 2: one of YOU i really like. Better judkins has that

829
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 2: there is high level tape With. Judkins he can be

830
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 2: a absolute home run, hitter threat threat as a bigger.

831
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: Guy but THEN i watched the tape On Travon. Henderson

832
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 2: he looks. Better it's just it's kind of picked your

833
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 2: poison of what you're, looking and.

834
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: So how do you rate the workout? Today because he

835
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: always he crushed the. Workout today he. Did henderson was

836
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: a little BIT i don't want to say, underwhelming BUT

837
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: i thought he'd run a four to three and look like,

838
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: that you know WHAT i. Mean but in a round

839
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:29,959
Speaker 1: a four four and again it's not a bad. Time

840
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: but to see the more explosive player be the bigger

841
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: player was surprising to.

842
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: Me it wasn't incredibly surprising to me AFTER i watched a,

843
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 2: lot because this has been one of the bigger Problems i've.

844
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 2: Had BECAUSE i know that my fourth running back is

845
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: going to be a running back From Ohio. STATE i

846
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 2: just don't know which one it. Is and NOW i

847
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: would Say i'm penciling In Quenchohn. JUDKINS i want to

848
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 2: go back and verify the tape one more. TIME i

849
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 2: have the greatest hits tape Of Ohio state that has

850
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 2: BEEN i have hit that button on this computer so many.

851
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 2: Times at this, POINT i know exactly what's. Coming i'm

852
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 2: just looking for the. NUANCE i Like, TRAVON i don't

853
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 2: think he necessarily has the higher level traits for all of.

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Speaker 2: It and then you get into The scatabooze And Dylan,

855
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Speaker 2: samson who WAS i wasn't overly impressed with the, workout

856
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: BUT i didn't expect to.

857
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: Be. WELL i don't think he didn't, run he didn't do.

858
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 1: Something he didn't jump one of the things he'd expect

859
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: him to, do because he's supposed to be crazy, explosive

860
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: and you're, like if you're, explosive just do the.

861
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: Thing we had a lot of that this. Year, hey

862
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 2: wait a, minute so you're not doing the thing that

863
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 2: you're good.

864
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: At, yes that. Could you're supposed to be.

865
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: GOOD i want to add a layer to the combine

866
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 2: OF i want the guys to work out. First so

867
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,479
Speaker 2: we did the Workouts, Monday, tuesday wednes The thursday, probably

868
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 2: and then we talked to Them, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Sunday

869
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 2: BECAUSE i would kill to ask some of these, guys

870
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 2: why did you not? Run what did? YOU i? Mean

871
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 2: or in the case of a guy Like Gunner, heilm

872
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 2: why did you?

873
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: Run our Guy gunner Hell? MAN i MEAN i love?

874
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: HIM i, mean do you don't love?

875
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 2: Him? THOUGH? I, WELL i love him. Less NOW i

876
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: can order a pizza From dominoes and have it delivered

877
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 2: in the time it took him to run the, Forty

878
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 2: so that did unsettle.

879
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: Me, yeah it makes you a little bit a little bit.

880
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: Nervous but Like Mike green is one that for, Me

881
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be explosive and, fast but you didn't

882
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: run a forty like so that's one where it's, like

883
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: THAT'S i don't.

884
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: Know, Well Mike, green and that's a guy that you

885
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: THAT i would really like with with.

886
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: Commanders oh, Yeah, Well, jeremy this has been so much

887
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: fun And i'm so glad that we met you today

888
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: and we got to do this lovely. Podcast where can

889
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: people find you because you've got a lot of stuff going, ON.

890
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 2: I, Do, uh you can find The website's AT nfl

891
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: draft on. Net all of my evails go up. There,

892
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: Basically i'm taking all the content that we've done on

893
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 2: YouTube for the last couple of years And i'm going

894
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: to put it there to where people can find. It

895
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: SO i will have top twenty fives at every, position

896
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: will have mock. Drafts, wow, yeah and it's twenty. Fives

897
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 2: some of them go to thirty, Five Like i'll go

898
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 2: to thirty.

899
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: Five you're going to say, less but geez, man some of.

900
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: Them some of them go. Less, WELL i, Mean i'm

901
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 2: not gonna lie to. You the twenty fifth quarterback And

902
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: i'm not even SURE i Have.

903
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: There's no way there's a twenty fifth quarterback.

904
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 2: Who would be the twenty. Fifth i'm just gonna look at.

905
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 2: It they went to twenty, one And i'm not sure

906
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 2: who he. Is So Kim, Miller NOW i know Who

907
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 2: Cam miller. IS i Know Ethan. Garber's his brother plays

908
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 2: in THE. Ufl his brother is a. Backup put it this,

909
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 2: way his backup or his brother is a backup quarterback

910
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 2: in THE. Xfl and he looks at his brother's tape and, goes,

911
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 2: MAN i HOPE i could be here WHEN i grow.

912
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: Up that's twenty so it's not.

913
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: Good so, okay they can find your draft stuff there

914
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: anything else they can find.

915
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: YOU Espn Radio. ASHVILLE i am the afternoon. Host we

916
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 2: host The Sports. Oocracy it's kind of a fun show

917
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 2: simulcast with the YouTube we. Integrate we can't take calls

918
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: because we an'll have call screener And i'm afraid somebody's

919
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 2: gonna say wordy durd's BECAUSE i GET i, get you,

920
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 2: know trolls that they like to call. Me i'll do a,

921
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 2: fat mulleted idiot that looks Like luke come, stupid. Brother

922
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 2: that's my favorite one That i've had this, week and

923
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 2: it is. CONSISTENT i Know, luke AND i take that

924
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 2: as a. Compliment but you can find me there at

925
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 2: The sports O focracy on all the social media's and

926
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: then My twitter handle is AT espn draft Nerd.

927
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: Jeremy thanks so, much, man really appreciate it and hopefully

928
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: have you in the future very, soon.

929
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 2: Anytime