Speaker 1: He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys there
Speaker 1: war room for in center news and draft analysis from
Speaker 1: deep within the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star
Speaker 1: in Fresco, Dallas Cowboys Selectazikiel Elliott and now your hosts
Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well, welcome
Speaker 1: back to the Draft Show here from the SWBC Mortgage Studios.
Speaker 1: It's always nice to have you with us as we
Speaker 1: get closer to the NFL combine coming up. I saw
Speaker 1: the other day where there was sixty five or so
Speaker 1: days until the draft. It'll be here before you know it,
Speaker 1: so we are happy that you're here. Brian brought us
Speaker 1: along with Dane Brugler from CBS Sports. Joined also here
Speaker 1: by a young lady that is really really locked in
Speaker 1: to what's going on college football. And I'm always glad
Speaker 1: to have Taylor Stern with a stain because she is
Speaker 1: a go to person when it comes to college football
Speaker 1: and there's there's questions about these players coaches. I mean,
Speaker 1: she's had a lot of interaction with guys on the
Speaker 1: national football It's gonna be the national championship scene. Orange Bowls,
Speaker 1: Rose Bowls, Young Lade. Yeah, she's made a lot of
Speaker 1: connections throughout the throughout her brief career, but they've all
Speaker 1: been great connections. Taylor Stern, welcome to the Draft show.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. You know, Dave just quit on
Speaker 1: you as usual. Well Mardi Gras took over. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: matters more to me. I'm all about let's find the
Speaker 1: next stacks Anthony Brown exactly. But he just doesn't care.
Speaker 1: He does not care. So yeah, nice too. Nice to
Speaker 1: have you along, Taylor, really and appreciate that. Okay, today
Speaker 1: we're going to get into a little bit about the
Speaker 1: combine it is. We will have shows from Indianapolis starting
Speaker 1: next Tuesday. There'll be shows likely at the end of
Speaker 1: the day. We've got a lot of things that we
Speaker 1: have to do and interviews, watching workouts, things like that,
Speaker 1: and we will have our hour long shows from Indianapolis
Speaker 1: for you, kind of a recap of what's going on
Speaker 1: each day. Those will go from Tuesday through Saturday. We'll
Speaker 1: have a special weekend show for you on Saturday and
Speaker 1: tie everything up in Indianapolis. But I do want to
Speaker 1: get into a little bit about the combine and Dane,
Speaker 1: you know, expectations at the combine. You know, expectations of players,
Speaker 1: of coaches, of scouts, of fans. What are you looking
Speaker 1: forward to most about this combine? They're all different. You know.
Speaker 1: I've been going to combine since nineteen ninety two and
Speaker 1: every one of them has always been different from me.
Speaker 1: Expectations of what you're looking forward to at the combine.
Speaker 1: You've got me beating. I think this is my eighth combine.
Speaker 1: So I'm an old man. Yeah, a little bit more
Speaker 1: on me. Yeah, yeah, you know, you're right because it's
Speaker 1: an individual basis type of thing. Because for one player,
Speaker 1: his three cone drill might be the most important thing
Speaker 1: that I'm looking forward to, but for another it's the medicals.
Speaker 1: Another it might be the interviews, and so another it
Speaker 1: might be hand size. It's just it's it's wide range.
Speaker 1: It depends on the player we're talking about in terms
Speaker 1: of what's most important for him. So I'm working on
Speaker 1: my preview right now that's gonna be up on CBS Sports,
Speaker 1: and I'm breaking down sixty players and what's different about
Speaker 1: each one of them that scouts need to find out,
Speaker 1: you know, for sixty players, right, So I just pointed
Speaker 1: out sixty a player like Ryan Ramchick, the talented Wisconsin
Speaker 1: offensive tackles, the top offensive tackle in this group. I
Speaker 1: think's the top twenty pick. Recently a hip surgery. How
Speaker 1: does that play into his evaluation? A player like Corey
Speaker 1: Davis from Western Michigan, the wide receiver will be there,
Speaker 1: but he will not be working out because of an
Speaker 1: ankles cleery. Right, they call it a minor. He should
Speaker 1: be ready at some point over the summer. But again,
Speaker 1: this is a player from the MAC who we won't
Speaker 1: get to have verified times on right before the draft,
Speaker 1: and a player that might be the top receiver taken. So,
Speaker 1: whether it's the medicals, whether it's the interview process, there's
Speaker 1: a lot that we need to learn and figure out
Speaker 1: when we're in Indianapolis. Taylor, I'm gonna turn to you
Speaker 1: on something here, he said, the interview process. Your area
Speaker 1: of expertise in where Dallas Cowboys dot Com is the
Speaker 1: social media side of it, that you know, all the
Speaker 1: things that you do, the presentations, the relationships you've built
Speaker 1: with the players, the trust that you've built with these players.
Speaker 1: Talk about though, what the avenue know. I'm going to
Speaker 1: interview kids and I used to not be able to
Speaker 1: know anything really about these kids. But now all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, I can get on social media platforms and
Speaker 1: learn a little bit more about them, maybe ask them
Speaker 1: some questions about behavioral practices, things they believe, things they
Speaker 1: don't believe, outspoken, not out outspoken, talk about though you know,
Speaker 1: you know, and I know you've had interaction with people
Speaker 1: about the social media side and how you use it
Speaker 1: to evaluate players. Talk about what I expect going in
Speaker 1: with these interview process from that side of it. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: and I think since Laramie Tunsil, there's been a lot
Speaker 1: of focus on social media and what happened with him
Speaker 1: in the draft. Obviously that didn't happen until the draft weekend,
Speaker 1: but prior to that, I mean, you know that there
Speaker 1: are people in these scouting departments that are specifically looking
Speaker 1: at guys social media. Not only their social media, but
Speaker 1: their dads, their moms, their sisters, their brothers, the friends
Speaker 1: they hang out with, the girlfriends, the fiance's wives, anyone
Speaker 1: that is personally close to these players. Their social media
Speaker 1: is under speculation because it's a very important part. A
Speaker 1: social media profile can tell you so much about a person.
Speaker 1: It's kind of creepy. We all know that, sure, but
Speaker 1: you can get some questions. Hey, I saw that you
Speaker 1: said you were here, but on your girl friend's Twitter,
Speaker 1: she posted a picture of a date night somewhere else, right,
Speaker 1: you know, So you can catch these people in either
Speaker 1: lies or see really positive things about them. Hey, you
Speaker 1: know your mom posted this about you. We didn't know
Speaker 1: that that you, you know, did all these things, or
Speaker 1: you had a learning disability or something like that. And
Speaker 1: so I think that social media is becoming an avenue
Speaker 1: for scouts to learn a different side of them, because Okay,
Speaker 1: when you're in those interview process, it's very nerve wrecking, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and you're probably I'm just this nervous interview and the
Speaker 1: kid is as if they are I really am exactly,
Speaker 1: So who knows how they're you know, showing themselves. Perception
Speaker 1: is reality, so obviously they want it to be the
Speaker 1: best it is. Well, Hey, I just went to your
Speaker 1: dad's social profile and he's talking smack about the Falcons,
Speaker 1: you know, and he posted this tweet. We also saw
Speaker 1: what happened to Dak and draft weekend last year where
Speaker 1: he gets drafted by the Cowboys. A simple Twitter search
Speaker 1: of at Dak at Dallas cow Boys and you see
Speaker 1: him talking badly about Tony Romo. Right, So these players really,
Speaker 1: you know, besides getting their physical in check, they need
Speaker 1: to get their social in check. Go back, see what
Speaker 1: you posted, Miles Garrett, the video that came out exactly.
Speaker 1: Know who you're talking to, Know who you're sharing things with.
Speaker 1: People are also taking photos of you wherever you are, right,
Speaker 1: and they're uploading those two Snapchat Twitter things like that
Speaker 1: don't be in any questionable circumstances where hey, you know
Speaker 1: nobody's posting it that you know about social media, right,
Speaker 1: Joe Fan over there just took a picture of you here,
Speaker 1: and now I'm in a post that Hey, I'm Miles Garrett.
Speaker 1: I went out to Northgate and you know this is
Speaker 1: a week before the draft, right, got and put myself
Speaker 1: in a bad situation actually exactly. So I'm curious to
Speaker 1: see how much of that is going to play into it,
Speaker 1: And especially like guys like Jalen Smith, who last year
Speaker 1: you know you're talking about medicals, didn't really participate. Did
Speaker 1: all that very impressive in his press conference. I remember
Speaker 1: you saying that, right, And now he's really used social
Speaker 1: media to also be a benefit. Yeah, this is new
Speaker 1: to us. Isn't it. It's totally new to us. It's
Speaker 1: something that we've had a great job of explaining that.
Speaker 1: So that's why you need somebody like Taylor Stern on
Speaker 1: your staff to kind of get you through. I'm an
Speaker 1: old I'm an old scout, you know the whole thing
Speaker 1: these you know, things that have happened with the mixings
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I mean, I need to be
Speaker 1: educated on this stuff. And now this is really a
Speaker 1: huge part of what these teams spending millions of dollars
Speaker 1: on these players. It might be a social post, it
Speaker 1: takes somebody off a board. What Taylor says something that
Speaker 1: was I think key in perception is reality and that
Speaker 1: is so true right with a lot of these players
Speaker 1: and for a lot of fans in the outside world.
Speaker 1: Social media is what creates the narrative. It's that perception,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, it's such a big part from a
Speaker 1: scouting perspective. You know, we can talk about the on
Speaker 1: field and you know what we look for on tape
Speaker 1: and all that, but off the field is just as important,
Speaker 1: you know that, right, and information is power. The more yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: better decision you can make, the better understanding you have
Speaker 1: of the player's mental makeup, who he is as a person,
Speaker 1: his character, how he treats others. All that goes into
Speaker 1: the overall grade. You'll have your on field grade, but
Speaker 1: then you have the off field grade, a character grade,
Speaker 1: and that's important. Oh yeah, it affects the overall grade. Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And we saw what happened last year with Eli Apple
Speaker 1: and his mom getting pretty active on Twitter. I mean
Speaker 1: now she has pretty much a Twitter personality, she's verified,
Speaker 1: she's been on ESPN do some different things. We've seen
Speaker 1: Zeke's mom too a lot of times. You know, they
Speaker 1: may have their perception so cleaned up and it looks great. Well,
Speaker 1: I just went to their girlfriend's page and she's talking
Speaker 1: about how, you know, he had the worst workout. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, now she has to go take him out,
Speaker 1: you know, or something like that. So you can find
Speaker 1: these things, like you're saying, information that I think could
Speaker 1: be critical in figuring out I'm seeing people gone through
Speaker 1: these guys. I mean, Zach Banner's one that I remember
Speaker 1: someone went through and was like, girlfriend seems a little
Speaker 1: too close. Let's watch this because these guys are twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one years old, twenty two. Yeah, very impressionable, right,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's important to know everyone who is
Speaker 1: around them. And like you said, you're about to spend
Speaker 1: a million dollars. That's spend a lot of money. It's
Speaker 1: funny how you know, in the early to mid nineties,
Speaker 1: how different the NFL would have been if social media
Speaker 1: existed at that time. You're a player like Brett Farv Oh, yes,
Speaker 1: you know he liked to go out and oh no,
Speaker 1: we we there's things that we had to actually hide, right. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: I mean it's just amazing how different things are now
Speaker 1: compared to you know, twenty years ago. It's just how
Speaker 1: things have changed and everyone out's changed with it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all part of it. Okay, I'm gonna go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's something that and and we'll get into the combat
Speaker 1: because we're going to do all that. Taylor and I
Speaker 1: were talking though. She had something that was really, I think,
Speaker 1: kind of neat, and she was asking me about these
Speaker 1: players and she wants to do something though that she
Speaker 1: kind of kind of an idea about is this guy
Speaker 1: a safe pick or a risky pick? Yes, and I
Speaker 1: just gotta got one guy, yeah, I want to kind
Speaker 1: of she had a list of guys that she wanted
Speaker 1: to go through, and I'm like, Okay, we'll shoot this
Speaker 1: and we're gonna do something. The way the show is
Speaker 1: gonna roll today is we're gonna do this, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna do Twitter on the twenty, and then we're gonna
Speaker 1: do Taylor's got another another thing called Taylor's Takes, and
Speaker 1: she's got some more pressure games on games. Tage's coming
Speaker 1: with some some information heat today, so we're gonna let
Speaker 1: her be a part of that. So and we can
Speaker 1: also we take calls eight eight, eight, eight, five five
Speaker 1: two two nine seven. We might get to that at
Speaker 1: the end of the show, but go ahead, Taylor, and
Speaker 1: let's let's hit some of these safe pick or risky pick. Yeah, Dane,
Speaker 1: I'll start with you. Safe pick or risk pick with
Speaker 1: Jonathan Allen, defensive tackle from Alabama. I think he's as
Speaker 1: safe as you can get from a tape perspective, from
Speaker 1: a character perspective, he has a few shoulder things going on,
Speaker 1: So as long as that that's dead, be my only
Speaker 1: hesitation there. As long as the shoulders check out, he
Speaker 1: is an extremely safe pick player. They went back for
Speaker 1: a senior year to get better, I mean Nick Saban
Speaker 1: will rave about his intelligence, about the person that he is. Um,
Speaker 1: he didn't have the best upbringing, but he has powered
Speaker 1: through adversity. So I think Jonathan Allen is a very
Speaker 1: good example of the type of player you want on
Speaker 1: your team. So the film and everything other than the
Speaker 1: injuries check out though, for being there, for being the
Speaker 1: safe pick. Yeah, and especially that high right, he's a
Speaker 1: very clean player on the field. I mean, versatility, power, strength,
Speaker 1: quitting it, it has it everything. He'd be taken over Garrett.
Speaker 1: Could he be taken over high? I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1: We're talking maybe a top three picks, I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've seen him, Yeah, you ever seen him at one?
Speaker 1: I don't, don't. I don't know. You never know. I
Speaker 1: mean maybe if you're not in love with Garrett, maybe,
Speaker 1: But Garrett to me is just he's the best player.
Speaker 1: But and I mean, I guess if you're saying that,
Speaker 1: I wonder how many you know, different traits we could see.
Speaker 1: I mean that last year it was the Browns and
Speaker 1: then it was the Ramps. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: there's three defensive I mean, with Jonathan Allen, Miles Garrett
Speaker 1: and Solomon Thomas. I think all three of those guys
Speaker 1: are top five that those types of players. Brian think
Speaker 1: Miles Garret is just a little bit better than the
Speaker 1: other two. Okay, Brent Molly Cooker from Ohio State, Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, I think that's interesting about Mollie Cooker
Speaker 1: depending on what you really there's tape that you can
Speaker 1: watch about him where he really doesn't tackle great And
Speaker 1: now does Adams fit over him? You know the LSU
Speaker 1: safety and so I'm kind of in my mind I'm
Speaker 1: thinking like probably a top to probably a top twelve player,
Speaker 1: But does the tape is free safety scare you a
Speaker 1: little bit? It's being that safe player. I mean, when
Speaker 1: you make that kind of investment for a safety, are
Speaker 1: you really getting the best player? I think with him,
Speaker 1: I have him over Adams myself. So, but man, that
Speaker 1: tackling part. If I'm a team, I'm maybe thinking about
Speaker 1: how consistent is he really? Is that the safest route
Speaker 1: to go when you're talking about a safety. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's fair. I think a big thing with Hooker is
Speaker 1: his issues are more angles, more just I discipline, understanding
Speaker 1: where he needs to be, not effort. I think the efforts.
Speaker 1: He's a tough guy. He technique though, Right, it's not
Speaker 1: like he avoids content, which is a good step if you're,
Speaker 1: you know, not gonna be the best downhill tackler. At
Speaker 1: least show me effort and hustle. And that's there. So
Speaker 1: I think he'll get better. Remember a redshirt sophomore, Yeah,
Speaker 1: first year as a starter. The ball production with seven
Speaker 1: picks this year is just outstanding. So I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I give him a little bit of an edge over
Speaker 1: Adams because he impacts the back half of the field more. Right,
Speaker 1: But your your point is well made about the run defense. Obviously,
Speaker 1: the best name in the draft Taco Charlton Dane safe
Speaker 1: or risk, that's a good one. Um. She I told
Speaker 1: you she's bringing fastballs today. And it's not because his
Speaker 1: name is Taco. But I always say with Taco Charlton that, um,
Speaker 1: he has all the angry, just lack season, and that's
Speaker 1: that's Taco Charlton. Uh a late bloomer, a guy who
Speaker 1: didn't really start until a senior year. You see the
Speaker 1: physical traits, I mean they're they're there. He's a big,
Speaker 1: strong guy. Yeah, he can bend off the edge a
Speaker 1: little bit. Um, I think he's going to get better.
Speaker 1: Is he safe or risk? I would lean more towards safe,
Speaker 1: but I don't feel great about it. I don't feel
Speaker 1: as safe about him as maybe I do some of
Speaker 1: these other players. And I've said this before. He reminds
Speaker 1: me a lot of Justin Tuck when he was having
Speaker 1: got a Notre Dame. And there was a reason Justin
Speaker 1: Tuck was a third round pick, not a first round pick.
Speaker 1: And so I think with Taco Charlton, you're not drafting
Speaker 1: him for you who he is now. You're drafting him
Speaker 1: for who you think he'll be two three years from now,
Speaker 1: and so with that projection, there's always a little bit
Speaker 1: of risk. Absolutely. Sidney Jones from Washington bran cornerback, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know already kind of yeah, Grant, I think that
Speaker 1: to me, I think I have other corners better, you know,
Speaker 1: when I like White from LSU, Moreau from from UCLA, Tabor,
Speaker 1: of course, I mean Tabor's gonna be a guy you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to talk about. I think city Jones. I
Speaker 1: like the length, I like the reach. I don't always
Speaker 1: like the ability though of him, the way he runs.
Speaker 1: I think that some people, to me, could take advantage
Speaker 1: of him on some vertical stuff. When you get him
Speaker 1: near the ball, he tends to make some plays. I
Speaker 1: just worry about him having to get in the right
Speaker 1: scheme fit. You know, I like him playing up, I
Speaker 1: really really do. But I worry about some of the
Speaker 1: movement stuff sometimes with him. Yeah, it ruins me a
Speaker 1: lot of Joe Hayden, where you know he a great
Speaker 1: player though, I mean, well, yeah, he can get beat
Speaker 1: a little. I mean he will have moments where you know,
Speaker 1: you kind of wonder, but I think overall, pretty good player.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, great, Yeah, well yeah he used to be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he's more of a risk, I guess, is
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say. If you're I mean I
Speaker 1: had I had like four s corners. I had him,
Speaker 1: and I think if you're looking for a corner, it
Speaker 1: has to be if you get If he gets in
Speaker 1: the wrong fit scheme fit, there could be some problems
Speaker 1: there with him. Right, I think playing up is better
Speaker 1: than playing back for him because this isn't done in
Speaker 1: a vacuum. Right, we're comparing him to other corners in
Speaker 1: this draft, right that you might feel more comfortable with. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm with you, But your point about him making plays
Speaker 1: high school wide receiver. When the ball is in his area,
Speaker 1: he does make plays, and I think that's a plus
Speaker 1: to me. He's a top five corner. You know, I
Speaker 1: still think he'll go that high somewhere in the first round.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's not a perfect prospect. That that's that's
Speaker 1: that's true. All right. You talked about Sydney being a
Speaker 1: wide receiver. But let's talk about another one. Mike Williams
Speaker 1: from Clemson. I think he's safe, I really do. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna have the best forty yard dash.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping at the combine he runs old miss guys
Speaker 1: scary from last year a little bit after all that,
Speaker 1: How do you mean you can't ignore that? You know?
Speaker 1: You know, I know that's what now makes me think, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, is he gonna run close to a four
Speaker 1: to five or closer to a four to six. You know,
Speaker 1: if if Mike Williams goes out and runs a four
Speaker 1: to five eight, that's not ideal. Obviously, it's not a
Speaker 1: deal breaker because his game, his ranks are not built
Speaker 1: on speed. His strengths are at the catch point, his
Speaker 1: body control. Um, you know, the way he can create
Speaker 1: a window when there isn't one against defenders and tight coverage.
Speaker 1: So I'd like to see him run somewhere in the
Speaker 1: low four fives hopefully. I think that would only cement
Speaker 1: his status as the top receiver this year. But if
Speaker 1: he doesn't, that does create a little bit of doubt.
Speaker 1: But I think the tape is strong enough where I
Speaker 1: feel comfortable calling him a safe pick. Cool Ryan Ramcheck.
Speaker 1: You know we've already heard Dane's take on him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: your take, Yeah, you know what, I think that To me,
Speaker 1: I think that this is a position that I'm really
Speaker 1: really scared at. I'm scared of these offensive tackles, and
Speaker 1: I don't think I think he's more of an athlete
Speaker 1: than he is a power player, and so I worry
Speaker 1: about that a little bit. I worry about really a
Speaker 1: little bit of lack of the strength. I think he's
Speaker 1: got the initial quickness. I think he I think he's
Speaker 1: got technique. I worry about the power though. We've seen
Speaker 1: some Wisconsin Gabe Breamy, Reamy, Yeah, Wisconsin come out kind
Speaker 1: of be somewhat of a guy that was highly touted,
Speaker 1: first rounder, first rounder and then really not play with power,
Speaker 1: really not be you know more athlete than power player.
Speaker 1: I worry he's more like him than he is really
Speaker 1: some of the Wisconsin tackles that we've seen in the past.
Speaker 1: So I'm a little bit I'm a little bit more
Speaker 1: of a risk there, and that that whole position, though,
Speaker 1: is a position I would worry at. Okay, absolutely, Well,
Speaker 1: we also have a Garrett Bulls m that's a risk. See, yeah,
Speaker 1: you didn't even hesitate on that one. Well, and you
Speaker 1: you factor in a lot of things here in the
Speaker 1: fact that he is an older guy. He'll be a
Speaker 1: twenty five year old in an NFL rookie. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: he has a great story coming from where he did.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, had gotten into some trouble in high school,
Speaker 1: was out of football all together, he was working on
Speaker 1: garage doors, and then he decided at some point after
Speaker 1: a church mission to turn his life around. Goes to
Speaker 1: snow College, goes to Utah. So this is a player
Speaker 1: who hasn't really been at part of a strength and
Speaker 1: conditioning program. Yeah. I think that lack of course strength
Speaker 1: really shows and the way he plays now, he's a
Speaker 1: terrific athlete. Right. Athleticism is not an issue with Garrett Bowls,
Speaker 1: but he needs to get stronger, and you know, he's
Speaker 1: an older guy. How long is it going to take
Speaker 1: for him to get, you know, up to par with
Speaker 1: what you need him to be at to start in
Speaker 1: the NFL. This all factors into his value. I'm not
Speaker 1: so much worried about his character as maybe you would
Speaker 1: have been five years ago. He's an older guy, just
Speaker 1: got married, just had a child, so I think he
Speaker 1: has a more mature lifestyle now. But just his inexperience
Speaker 1: athleticism is there, but I worry about the course strength,
Speaker 1: some of the technique, technique issues. It's going to take
Speaker 1: a little bit of time for him to adapt to
Speaker 1: the prolog. Yeah, I totally agree with everything he said.
Speaker 1: I just think when I watch him play, I see
Speaker 1: a narrow player and that bothers me. I mean the
Speaker 1: movement stuff the athletic could be I think is very good,
Speaker 1: But I don't see a strong player. But you know,
Speaker 1: there's some strong there's some guys that have lacked strength
Speaker 1: that have played in this league at offensive tackle, you know.
Speaker 1: And I just but he I think he would be
Speaker 1: a risk and a lot of it has to do
Speaker 1: with the strength and I think the experience though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to guide's a little bit more season. Okay, Tay,
Speaker 1: thanks so much. Absolutely, that was great though. Okay, we'll
Speaker 1: be coming back from the Draft Show, coming back from break.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get into Twitter on the twenty, so make
Speaker 1: sure you get your questions to Taylor at the Draft
Speaker 1: Show and we will get those when week come right back.
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Speaker 1: guys have some great listeners. Thank you. Anybody Vince wants
Speaker 1: to know who had the better film? Ruben Foster or
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith, both outstanding linebackers at the college level. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think there's one that's clearly better
Speaker 1: than the other. But Jalen Smith gets the edge. He's
Speaker 1: an athlete, and those athletes. The way he can move,
Speaker 1: it was hard to define holes in his game. I
Speaker 1: would have picked. I'd have picked. I think you would
Speaker 1: had to have selected Jalen Smith where you took Ezekiel
Speaker 1: Elliott if he was there, if he was there, if
Speaker 1: he was healthy. So to me, and I'm a fan
Speaker 1: of Foster. We were watching tape last night and he's
Speaker 1: just all over the field from Alabama, just everywhere, violent, violent, explosive,
Speaker 1: all those things. Ye yeah, I think to me, I
Speaker 1: would take Jalen Smith myself and and and hey, you know,
Speaker 1: we all hope that things work out for Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: and that he could be a part of this team
Speaker 1: coming up this year. Obviously, this is the only time
Speaker 1: that someone could ask this question and you guys would
Speaker 1: have answers because you've studied so many guys. But Lavelle
Speaker 1: wants to know what late third day steals is no
Speaker 1: one talking about that really may surprise people third day
Speaker 1: steal So you gotta look at the bottom. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: gotta look at the bottom. Whoa uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: would have said Adam, my boy, our boy from Ashland
Speaker 1: at the tight end, the tight end. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's gonna be off the board in
Speaker 1: the second day probably. I mean, he's not a secret anymore,
Speaker 1: and I think after the combine he's only going to
Speaker 1: continue to move up boards. Um. I like a few receivers.
Speaker 1: Mac Hollins from North Carolina is a player. I think
Speaker 1: people need to get learn more about him familiar. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think he's a guy that on special teams is
Speaker 1: going to make an impact. I think he can make
Speaker 1: an impact as a deep threat. Um. Kenny Galladay from
Speaker 1: Northern Illinois, another receiver who I think can make an impact,
Speaker 1: will be available on Day three. So I like this
Speaker 1: receiver class, not only early but I think there's some
Speaker 1: deep options as well. Where do you have some of
Speaker 1: these corners. Where do you have a guy like Elder
Speaker 1: he's a third round player. Yeah, so you think he's
Speaker 1: higher than that though, I think he's You can make
Speaker 1: an argument he's the best nickel And I would, I would,
Speaker 1: I would, I would. I would think that myself. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what a guy. What about the Mohammed kid.
Speaker 1: He's talented, but the off field, off the field, you know,
Speaker 1: because he missed this entire year, right, but maybe people
Speaker 1: will dock him a little bit more. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that's maybe that's a guy that also we're really we're
Speaker 1: kind of thinking, because he didn't play this year, that
Speaker 1: he might be a guy that all of a sudden
Speaker 1: shows up. He's in shape, know, he's got the ability,
Speaker 1: There's no question about that. I think, Okay, stick with corners.
Speaker 1: Jeremy Coutrere Okay from Middle Tennessee a Combine snub. This
Speaker 1: is a guy who wanted to go to LSU his
Speaker 1: entire like, oh yeah, yeah, Countrine, a guy who you know,
Speaker 1: was living from place to place, didn't have the grades
Speaker 1: to get an LSU, goes to Juco tries to get
Speaker 1: an LSU again, can't get in. So he goes to
Speaker 1: Middle Tennessee and the last two years he put together
Speaker 1: some really impressive tape. Tall, long, lanky, he's quick. You
Speaker 1: worry about the strength, but his coaches go to bat
Speaker 1: for him. They speak very highly of who he is
Speaker 1: as a person and also just as a football player,
Speaker 1: how young he is, and how good he can be
Speaker 1: down the road. So I think Jeremy Coutrere on day three,
Speaker 1: that's a cornerback you need to know about. Okay, you're
Speaker 1: talking about cornerbacks. Well, Sean Gabby, sorry if I mispronounced
Speaker 1: your name, has a question for you. Guys obviously love
Speaker 1: talking about Marinelli. He says, in Marinelli's scheme, is he
Speaker 1: looking for cornerbacks that play press offman both who fits best?
Speaker 1: I feel like I might know the answer, but you
Speaker 1: guys take it, go ahead, shoot it at. I feel
Speaker 1: like he plays a lot of press, and he plays
Speaker 1: you know, he loves man coverage. That's how he beat
Speaker 1: a lot of those big time receivers last year. So
Speaker 1: I feel like he would lean toward a corner who
Speaker 1: has that. Yeah, Bran, what do you think? No? I
Speaker 1: don't disagree I think that, you know, he's he Tampa
Speaker 1: two scheme, like everybody talked about was suppless, yeah, which
Speaker 1: you know, but he he had to make adjustments because
Speaker 1: he didn't have corners that could play off. And so
Speaker 1: I think it's and I don't want this to be
Speaker 1: as riding defense. I think he would like guys that
Speaker 1: could play both. That never so when he gets into that, yeah,
Speaker 1: when he gets in that, in that mode of a
Speaker 1: clog and cover where all of a sudden they're playing
Speaker 1: you know, zone and they're kind of doing that thing.
Speaker 1: I think though that you know, there's some really really
Speaker 1: good manned corners in this draft. I think there's a
Speaker 1: lot more manned corners myself. And you know, I mentioned
Speaker 1: the guys like Tabor and White and Moreau, Jones, Tankers, Lee, Humphrey.
Speaker 1: I mean there's some guys in here that could play. Now.
Speaker 1: I don't know how much I would trust some of
Speaker 1: these guys playing off. I think guys like White, I
Speaker 1: think Moreau from UCLA, I think he could play off.
Speaker 1: Tankersley to me is not an off mess press only
Speaker 1: so you know, Humphrey Alabama a little bit, He's long
Speaker 1: drive that kind of I think that he's looking for
Speaker 1: guys that can actually take do both. But but you're right,
Speaker 1: You're right in your assessment. You know, he likes athletic
Speaker 1: guys that are just aggressive. He does, he does, and
Speaker 1: and and that's why a guy like Anthony Brown, you know,
Speaker 1: who played as a as a boundary corner, you know,
Speaker 1: but could really run and show the ability to kick inside.
Speaker 1: So the mand ability, the stuff that he's able to
Speaker 1: play driving off the ball. You know, I think that
Speaker 1: they'll they'll continue to try and get guys like that.
Speaker 1: This is a double question one from Nebbie and it says,
Speaker 1: are there any mid round prospects who could back up
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott next season? And then Brian kind of responded this,
Speaker 1: Brian Gainer, He said, maybe Chad Kelly or Josh Dobbs,
Speaker 1: perhaps any thoughts there. You'd like Kelly a lot. I
Speaker 1: think at some point in the draft he's worth a
Speaker 1: draft pick, you know, I think he's a lottery ticket.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that worry worry me about him.
Speaker 1: Would he be the risk player? Oh yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: on and off the field, Yeah, I mean off the
Speaker 1: one last chance to you. Yeah, he's a player at
Speaker 1: one scout described him to me, he has a superman complex.
Speaker 1: You know, he thinks he can do anything. You know,
Speaker 1: he has that entitled entitlement about him, and that can
Speaker 1: help you at times on the field, but also makes
Speaker 1: you worry about him off the field and also worries
Speaker 1: you on the field because he'll make some throws that
Speaker 1: he just shouldn't make. So the arm that he was
Speaker 1: blessed with is just it's a laite Okay, he has
Speaker 1: a golden arm. He's an athlete, he can move around
Speaker 1: for his size, and he's also mentally and physically tough.
Speaker 1: So I think he takes a ton of hits. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: And so I think those are some foundation traits you
Speaker 1: can work on build off of. But again, he's not
Speaker 1: a player I'm gonna feel comfortable taking in the first
Speaker 1: five rounds. That's someone the six or seventh round, maybe
Speaker 1: take a shot on. Josh Dobbs another name that was mentioned.
Speaker 1: He is the guy that will receive a lot of
Speaker 1: Dak comparisons. That's all to Shawn right now. Yeah, watching yeah,
Speaker 1: but with Dobbs coming from the SEC, I don't. He's
Speaker 1: just not an accurate quarterback. He's not and I don't
Speaker 1: think that gets better. He's really smart. Uh, he's a good,
Speaker 1: good athlete for a size, But you just rarely see
Speaker 1: guys get better and turned with their accuracy, their ball placement,
Speaker 1: their understanding of downfield coverages. I just don't see Dobbs.
Speaker 1: Dobbs isn't draftable to me. He probably will get drafted
Speaker 1: by a team, but for me, that that is a
Speaker 1: player I would not be on my board. Hey, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Trad Kelly is so interesting to me because obviously he
Speaker 1: is the nephew of Jim Kelly, right, great successful quarterback,
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. Obviously a mental respect for him in
Speaker 1: the league, and then of course you know he's had
Speaker 1: his issues at Clemson Champs and all that in Mississippi
Speaker 1: and going there. So it's just kind of a fascinating
Speaker 1: guy to me. One other thing about Kelly is he
Speaker 1: is a d D and that's something that UH coaches
Speaker 1: have said it might affect his ability to digest a
Speaker 1: playbook in the NFL, and just because it's so diverse
Speaker 1: and obviously you know, you have to know so many things,
Speaker 1: and so that that's just another wrinkle to who you know,
Speaker 1: his guying report and something that teams have to, you know,
Speaker 1: or they have to understand whether or not he's worth
Speaker 1: a draft pick. Yeah, but you you you talked about
Speaker 1: though in this this fifth, sixth round six, I have
Speaker 1: a six or seventh round grade on Okay, So at
Speaker 1: that point we take that risk until the until that point, right, okay.
Speaker 1: And he's so super talented. Though. Yeah, we're all doing
Speaker 1: We've got we're doing quarterbacks on Saturday. We're we're taking
Speaker 1: my little care good Kat and Jeff and we're gonna
Speaker 1: we're gonna sit there and we're gonna hammer all the
Speaker 1: quarterbacks on Saturday. So not a great group. But there's
Speaker 1: some talent. We'll find him. We'll find something, I know.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because you always because I think last year,
Speaker 1: you know that, it seemed like you always talk about tiers.
Speaker 1: You talk a lot about tiers, and you would talk
Speaker 1: about the top tier, the middle tier, in the bottom tier.
Speaker 1: And this year it's like there's just a few in
Speaker 1: the top tier and a lot in the middle and
Speaker 1: no consensus. How would how would Hackenburg and Cook be
Speaker 1: in this draft? Better about saying I mean people were
Speaker 1: thinking then Taylor brought up the tears thing. How about
Speaker 1: like even Dak Prescott. Yeah, I mean would he be
Speaker 1: instead of in people's eyes, maybe a fourth round guy.
Speaker 1: Is he a second round guy? Yeah, just because of
Speaker 1: the way the class looks. We don't have Jacoby Brissetts
Speaker 1: this year, right, think that second or third round? Right? No,
Speaker 1: I think that that's a valid point. And the guy
Speaker 1: this year that's going to be interesting as Pat Mahomes,
Speaker 1: because I've seen a lot about him. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think it would be a surprise if he's snuck into
Speaker 1: the first round. I don't think he should, but he might. Um,
Speaker 1: you were on him as the and you had him
Speaker 1: in the initial top fifty. Yeah, he number fifty. He
Speaker 1: came to a number fifty. I think he's an early
Speaker 1: to mid second round guy. At that point, maybe you
Speaker 1: take a chance. But again, he's a player that he's
Speaker 1: not gonna help you in tails seventeen, and there's a
Speaker 1: worry that he might not help you in tails and eighteen.
Speaker 1: He's just like what we said about Dak, he's a puppy. Well, no, Dak,
Speaker 1: I think we had a better understand of who he was.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I know with Mahomes, it's just all upside. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he really is a puppy. I don't think you can
Speaker 1: blame yourself for anything that you said about Dak. You know,
Speaker 1: I've gotten really frustrated because it feels like everything I
Speaker 1: see on Twitter social media right now is DeShawn and Dak. Right, Oh,
Speaker 1: Deshaun is the next Dak Prescott. But to me, that
Speaker 1: feels really lazy to say that, because yes, you know,
Speaker 1: they have similar attributes, they're very similar style play and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. But Clemson just won a national championship.
Speaker 1: Deshaun came from Mississippi State. Obviously he excelled that program
Speaker 1: when he was there. But you know, they are what
Speaker 1: they are, and it's so much situational success. You know,
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson may go into Cleveland Brown's situation and you
Speaker 1: can't say, oh, he's not the next Dak because he's there. Well,
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott came into this situation where you had the
Speaker 1: best offensive line in the league. Ezekiel Elliot, Yeah, team
Speaker 1: committed to run of the football. Fit is the most
Speaker 1: important part quarterbacks. Yeah, it seriously is, because I remember
Speaker 1: everybody every position. Yeah, absolutely, if you go to the
Speaker 1: right fit in the right situation. Now, obviously, talent will
Speaker 1: supersede that and if you're that talented, you know that'll
Speaker 1: show through no matter where you are, But you'll fit
Speaker 1: in a perfect example right here with Dak Prescott. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if he goes to another team, if the Browns draft
Speaker 1: him instead of Cody Kessler and around, you know who
Speaker 1: knows how that works out right, And so fit is
Speaker 1: paramount to the trajectory of a rookies and just a
Speaker 1: player's eventual interf Yeah. And I remember talking to Dak
Speaker 1: at training camp and we were kind of talking about
Speaker 1: learning the playbook because he got a lot of slack
Speaker 1: as far as you know, he'd never taken under center
Speaker 1: and you have to learn a whole new playbook. But really,
Speaker 1: most people didn't realize he didn't because of the fact that,
Speaker 1: you know, Lena Hann had worked with urban Meyer, and
Speaker 1: urban Meyer had obviously worked with Dan Mullen and so
Speaker 1: they had a lot of the similar plays that it
Speaker 1: made it a little bit easier for a rookie like
Speaker 1: Dak to come in and understand this playbook. And a
Speaker 1: lot of people didn't know that coming into the draft.
Speaker 1: Obviously Lenahan did, yep, But that I think that plays
Speaker 1: into it too. Absolutely, Time for one more question. One
Speaker 1: more question. Who are the best strong side linebackers in
Speaker 1: this draft that fit for the Cowboys and are realistic
Speaker 1: to be in their range? Kelly Cowboy wants to know
Speaker 1: question of the day. I haven't had the question a
Speaker 1: day in a while. Thank you very much for that. Kids. Oh, Brian,
Speaker 1: what do you think it's? Sam? Is there Sam in this?
Speaker 1: Where would you play? Where would you play? Riddick? Mm?
Speaker 1: I think he's probably best inside in a three to four,
Speaker 1: maybe probably a week and I think on the week side,
Speaker 1: how about Riley another week? Another week? What I like
Speaker 1: him better as a well? If he's in a four
Speaker 1: to three, it's tougher. Three to four. I want him
Speaker 1: getting after the quarterback right, But in a four to three,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I love that fit. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I I don't know Anderson Alabama. I struggle with Anderson.
Speaker 1: He's one of those things that he is. He is
Speaker 1: a struggle because there's a lot of talent there. I
Speaker 1: just don't know where he fits best. And the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl didn't help me. I think the combine and watching
Speaker 1: tape in March is really going to what's going to
Speaker 1: take to figure out Ryan Anderson in terms of what's
Speaker 1: his value and what he's gonna be at the pro level.
Speaker 1: About the top of the board. About Cunningham, Vanderbilt like
Speaker 1: him quite a bit. I did see us one of
Speaker 1: my favorite guys. Oh yeah, you like him? Top five?
Speaker 1: I do. I use one of my everybody nobody wants
Speaker 1: to Nobody wants to like this guy with me. No,
Speaker 1: I like him. You see examples of him using that length,
Speaker 1: shedding and flowing to the play. As a SAM you
Speaker 1: have to be able to take on the point of
Speaker 1: attack consistently, and I'm not sure if that's Cunningham. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he can do it consistently. I've seen
Speaker 1: him do it. I know he can because he flashes
Speaker 1: that explosive body, uses those long arms. I just don't
Speaker 1: know if he can do it consistently fair enough. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what, man, I love him. He's awesome. I do,
Speaker 1: and I hope that he I hope I'm actually right
Speaker 1: about somebody. Yeah, he's my guy. Cutting him as my guy.
Speaker 1: I think he's the top twenty players. So I don't
Speaker 1: hate him. I just don't love him as he's a
Speaker 1: good football player. Thanks coach, appreciate that he's a good
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Speaker 1: Taylor's takes here, these gurgurus in here. Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 1: Last year, I really really felt like I had to
Speaker 1: fight for Ezekiel Elliott because a lot of people didn't
Speaker 1: think you could take a running back at fourth. Overall,
Speaker 1: I think it paid off for the Cowboys. But can
Speaker 1: you guys name one player that you would truly fight
Speaker 1: for in this draft? Dame, give us your guy fight
Speaker 1: for him. Somebody that like it may not be the
Speaker 1: best fit for the Cowboys. Don't care. I just want
Speaker 1: to know someone who you would fight. So if I'm
Speaker 1: the Cowboys at twenty eight, who would I fight for? Yes,
Speaker 1: Like you are banging on the table, as Brian says,
Speaker 1: and this guy on this team, you can't believe he's
Speaker 1: still there on the board. Let's just live in a fantasyland.
Speaker 1: Who is it? I probably might go with OJ Howard.
Speaker 1: The talents, a tight end from Alabama. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's gonna be there, but if he is, I
Speaker 1: know this team needs defense. This team needs a pass rusher,
Speaker 1: needs a cornerback. Help. But if you can add a
Speaker 1: talent like OJ Howard who is going to help you
Speaker 1: from day one, and he's going to get better as
Speaker 1: a blocker and as a receiver. He can stretch the seam,
Speaker 1: he can do different things. Really just add another dimension
Speaker 1: to this offense. I don't think you can pass up O. J. Howard.
Speaker 1: I'd be I'd be being in a table for him. Okay, y, yeah,
Speaker 1: that is fair. And I'll tell you what. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take another route here. I would I'm gonna fight at
Speaker 1: twenty eight for tack McKinley. If he's there, I really am,
Speaker 1: and I know we have the shoulder and all the things.
Speaker 1: I think this is a very versatile football player. I
Speaker 1: think he could play right in, he could play left in.
Speaker 1: You could stand him up, you can put his hand down.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of different things that you can do
Speaker 1: with Tack McKinley, Lawson McKinley, those guys, I think they're
Speaker 1: gonna be at the bottom board. But I think when
Speaker 1: it comes time to pick, when it comes time to pick,
Speaker 1: he'll be the guy that probably has the best grade
Speaker 1: of a wide receiver, of a potential corner, of a
Speaker 1: potential safety there as well. So Tack McKinley would be
Speaker 1: the guy that I would if we were if we
Speaker 1: were talking about okay, wait, we've got this corner, We
Speaker 1: got this. I'm banging the table for Tack McKinley to
Speaker 1: be here. I just think that he can give you
Speaker 1: something as a as a big time edge rusher, versatile player,
Speaker 1: better or worse. Chance fifty fifty that he's there at
Speaker 1: twenty eight in your mind, in my mind, I'm living
Speaker 1: in fantasyland thinking that you know that, get your I
Speaker 1: think that's I think he'll go earlier. Yeah, and maybe
Speaker 1: it'll become a no brainer for somebody after they call.
Speaker 1: But if we start, if we're up there and we'll
Speaker 1: start talking about, well, we've got this guy, and you know,
Speaker 1: the stack is maybe you've got some guys with similar
Speaker 1: grades and all that, and he's one of I'm like, guys, really,
Speaker 1: you know, let's think about this. You know all the
Speaker 1: things we talked about, you know, safe players and that
Speaker 1: and productive players. I think he's all that. If McKinley
Speaker 1: doesn't run a four or five at the combine, yeah,
Speaker 1: it might be a little disappointed. I think he might be.
Speaker 1: I might I might be wrong about that. You're talking
Speaker 1: a lot about versatile players, which kind of plays into
Speaker 1: my next question. Yes, Solomon Thomas, obviously I love watching Stamford.
Speaker 1: Who I love watching Stamford. I'm curious though, he's a
Speaker 1: very versatile player. That's gonna be a plus for him
Speaker 1: in this draft. What's his best position? That's a great question,
Speaker 1: because that is something that I will be debated and
Speaker 1: I don't think there will be a consensus. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it depends on scheme, depends on what you want to do.
Speaker 1: He looks like an edge rusher. You know, he's six
Speaker 1: two two seventy five, right right, that's he looks like
Speaker 1: a bass end, and that's where I think he probably
Speaker 1: will start off. But he does so. He does so
Speaker 1: many good things from the interior because his powerful hands,
Speaker 1: his quickness, I mean, he has that ability to you know,
Speaker 1: the closer he gets to the ball, oh yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: the more explosive he gets and the more impact he makes.
Speaker 1: So I guess you know he's a bass end on
Speaker 1: early downs, you move them inside. On passing downs, I
Speaker 1: don't want to put him into one position, you know,
Speaker 1: you move them around a little bit and just let
Speaker 1: him be explosive from different areas. If I had to
Speaker 1: put him in one spot, I might put him at
Speaker 1: three technique. I don't think you're wrong, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: and I like what you said about put him close
Speaker 1: to the ball and let him go. He is an
Speaker 1: explosive player, he's strong, he's really young. Is he twenty
Speaker 1: years old? Yeah? I mean he isn't. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: so many positive things it's about him that as a player,
Speaker 1: and I would just I think it's I think three
Speaker 1: technique is actually better than defensive end. But I wouldn't
Speaker 1: discount him playing defensive end at all in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Not bad, not bad. But you know, we talk about
Speaker 1: these drafts and how they have different depths at certain positions.
Speaker 1: Cowboys being at twenty eight, you know that kind of
Speaker 1: puts them at a disadvantage. But give me a position
Speaker 1: that you wouldn't necessarily draft early that this draft just
Speaker 1: has plenty of them, or you can see yourself getting
Speaker 1: one later on. You probably have to go wide receiver. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think the options on Day two. Now,
Speaker 1: if John Ross is there at twenty eight, it's gonna
Speaker 1: make you think, all right, McKinley or Ross. Now, let's
Speaker 1: have that discussion. We just I know we talked about McKinley.
Speaker 1: I'm going with the past rusher. Yeah, me too. I
Speaker 1: mean I don't see. That's why I would jump up
Speaker 1: on the table and I like Ross, right, and it
Speaker 1: See it's tough because it's say defense. Yeah, you don't
Speaker 1: want to window dress your board, Nope. But if you have,
Speaker 1: say you have Ross one step ahead of McKinley, m
Speaker 1: hmm on your board, I still think you go McKinley
Speaker 1: just because he's a pass rusher. Impacts the game more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I know what you say. You don't win to
Speaker 1: the board, but in that situation you feel a lot
Speaker 1: better about the pass rusher in the first round and
Speaker 1: a receiver in the second or third over Then then
Speaker 1: I did a poor job. Then I did a poor
Speaker 1: job of fighting for the player when we were stacking
Speaker 1: the board. If if that happens, then I need to
Speaker 1: keep my mouth shut. Look, I mean, I get what
Speaker 1: you're saying, but players are simile. I mean, you know, no,
Speaker 1: I understand. I mean, like, no, Seawan Merriman and the
Speaker 1: Marcus ware had the same grade. But but where was
Speaker 1: over Merriman on the board? Yeah, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: that's the way it was. And happy about that choice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but but they had the same grade, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I if I'm stacking that thing and my guy doesn't win,
Speaker 1: and I'm just in my mind, I'm going, Okay, I noted,
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm just trying to limit my mistakes.
Speaker 1: When when players have similar grades that the same position,
Speaker 1: that becomes a little easier. But if similar positions or
Speaker 1: similar grades a different position and on different signs of
Speaker 1: the ball, right, then it becomes a little more excusable.
Speaker 1: To go with the pass rusher. If you have a
Speaker 1: similar grade over a player, you think you feel good
Speaker 1: about getting a receiver second third, fourth round. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: who wouldn't you draft early? He said, the wide receiver?
Speaker 1: Who would you not draft early? I wouldn't draft. I
Speaker 1: don't think you can find it. I don't think if
Speaker 1: you had to pick an offensive tackle in this draft early, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean I don't see that group. And
Speaker 1: I know, you know, with ram Check and all that,
Speaker 1: I don't see a guy that if I had to
Speaker 1: take an offensive tackle in the first round, and I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm dying for a tackle as I think it would
Speaker 1: be a mistake and I and I think Ramcheck is
Speaker 1: more of a late one two kind of a guy.
Speaker 1: But man, I would be scared. I would be scared
Speaker 1: to drift. I'll see another position, Like if you had
Speaker 1: to draft a one technique, you know, a guy big.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think not that anybody would take win
Speaker 1: the first but I'm not really sure about that. I
Speaker 1: mean the top one technique for me is probably Tomlinson.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Alabama. Yeah, So and that's a guy you
Speaker 1: I have a second third round grader. There you go, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: cornerbacks we're very important. We've talked about them. Who is
Speaker 1: the most outstanding slot corner in this draft? Well, you know,
Speaker 1: I think a player like Marshawn Lattimore can do it.
Speaker 1: You know, he has the athleticism to do it. But
Speaker 1: if we're gonna talk about more of a nickel corner,
Speaker 1: a guy that you're gonna bring in nickel situations to
Speaker 1: cover slot, which this team likes to do. Right, guy
Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier, Corn Elder from Miami, I think he
Speaker 1: can do it because if you're gonna be a slot corner,
Speaker 1: you have to be able to tackle, right. He could tackle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to be a tough son of a gun,
Speaker 1: And I think that's corn Elder. He's not the biggest guy,
Speaker 1: not the longest guy, but he's tough. He has better
Speaker 1: strength than you what you think, and yet he's a
Speaker 1: supreme athlete. So I think corn Elder would make a
Speaker 1: lot of sound. Who's the guys? Let me take the
Speaker 1: little further to answer a great question of the short guys,
Speaker 1: Elder Jackson or Lewis Jackson being us see Lewis being Michigan.
Speaker 1: If you had to take a smaller corner to play slot.
Speaker 1: Which one of those three would you take? I'd take
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis. I think he has the cover skills that
Speaker 1: you want. Um. I feel better about Corn Elder maybe
Speaker 1: as a run defender, but I think Jordan Lewis is
Speaker 1: just in terms of pure cover skills, right coverage ability,
Speaker 1: I feel better about him than those other two guys
Speaker 1: you mentioned. I think I would take Elder, Okay, I
Speaker 1: think I would take Elder and then and then Lewis
Speaker 1: and Jackson one two and then Jackson. Is that what
Speaker 1: it is? Jackson's way down Jackson. But I'm just talking
Speaker 1: about those short corner packs. The sure Jackson's gonna look
Speaker 1: great the combine because he's sure really well. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just I don't know. There's very much bad get ready,
Speaker 1: much bad tape on him, get ready for TV scatter,
Speaker 1: him getting bullied at the against in Penn State in
Speaker 1: the Rose Ball bullied gone Ross Utah Dough. I like people.
Speaker 1: I mean this next question, I feel like I already
Speaker 1: have the real answer to this, But I'm curious needed
Speaker 1: Jack of All Trades player Christian McCaffrey or Jipple Peppers.
Speaker 1: I feel like the answer is probably obvious. In Peppers.
Speaker 1: But is there a fight for mccaffy. I think the
Speaker 1: answer is obvious, and it's McCaffrey. I get show Peppers,
Speaker 1: you know. I don't think he's I struggle with where
Speaker 1: he's gonna fit um well, and that's why people would
Speaker 1: probably think that he is a jack of all. Are
Speaker 1: you gonna play McCaffrey, I don't care. Just put him
Speaker 1: on my offense. I mean, oh, just anywhere you want.
Speaker 1: I'll light him up out wide in the slot, backfield, right.
Speaker 1: I mean. Christian McCaffrey is one of the smartest runners
Speaker 1: I've ever evaluated. He understands creases, he understands uh, you
Speaker 1: know when the yeah, yeah, he understands how to set
Speaker 1: up his moves. He reads his blocks, he's so good
Speaker 1: at that. And he's so good with his ball skills,
Speaker 1: catching the ball out the backfield, running routes. He's not
Speaker 1: the biggest guy. We'll see what he comes in at
Speaker 1: the combine. Is he two oh five or is he
Speaker 1: going to be closer to fifteen. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: gonna be a featured back where you want him carrying
Speaker 1: the ball twenty times a game. But he can touch
Speaker 1: the ball twenty times a game and impact your offense
Speaker 1: in a big way. Peppers, I just I guess he
Speaker 1: might be that jack of all trades, master of none,
Speaker 1: where he can do a few things. But you just
Speaker 1: you kind of worry about where's his home. You know,
Speaker 1: where's he going to fit? Understand that, you know what,
Speaker 1: You're not wrong about this McCaffrey though, by the way,
Speaker 1: I was just getting on you about that because you
Speaker 1: can do a lot of things with him. His tape
Speaker 1: is his tape. How's you going wow? More than Pepper's
Speaker 1: tape does. And if I had to have a guy that,
Speaker 1: I really don't know. Even though I do think I
Speaker 1: have a plan for McCaffrey, I really don't have a
Speaker 1: plan for Peppers. And and I'm thinking, do you think
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, guys, do you think that
Speaker 1: they're gonna be selected near each other the same spot? Probably?
Speaker 1: I think it's going to depend on what teams are
Speaker 1: lining up. Yeah, I think yeah, late one, I think
Speaker 1: they'll be in that area. With McCaffrey, he plays a
Speaker 1: position where a lot of teams feel comfortable passing on
Speaker 1: a table draft him. Won't that you know, a team
Speaker 1: like the Patriots a team, like, you know, the Packers.
Speaker 1: I can't rule dowb Boys. I don't think they'll make
Speaker 1: that move now. But with Peppers, it's just takes a
Speaker 1: little bit more of a leap of faith, you know,
Speaker 1: because you have to. You're projecting him at a position
Speaker 1: where you know, in college he played a little corner,
Speaker 1: play a little nicole, play a little linebacker, and showed flashes.
Speaker 1: You know, he can run. He's an elite athlete. But
Speaker 1: where's his home? Is he a three down player? A
Speaker 1: lot of these questions we need to figure out sounds
Speaker 1: a lot like what people were hearious about with Ramsey
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah. Yeah, but with Ramsey, I think here
Speaker 1: talking about what home? Where set corner safety? Where's it better?
Speaker 1: High pointing all that stuff. You feel better? Yeah, you
Speaker 1: felt better about Ramsey. He could play either. With Peppers,
Speaker 1: it's more I'm not sure he could play either, you know,
Speaker 1: because he kind of a tweener. He's does a little
Speaker 1: bit of what you want a linebacker to do, does
Speaker 1: a little bit of what you want a corner to do.
Speaker 1: That's a little bit of what you want safety to do.
Speaker 1: So he really, I really believe he needs a hybrid position.
Speaker 1: If you're drafting drill peppers. You have to draft him
Speaker 1: with you understanding that you're changing your defense to fit
Speaker 1: him in, not trying to force him into what you
Speaker 1: do on defense. Yeah, you never know what it will be.
Speaker 1: But tall safeties usually don't have success in this league.
Speaker 1: So why well, Obi melon fawn Wu I said it right,
Speaker 1: with Ukon have success. Yeah, physical marvel and he showed
Speaker 1: it at the combine, you know the way here's Yukon guys.
Speaker 1: They just like to show out, yeah what it is
Speaker 1: up there, but the strength and conditioning program gets them ready.
Speaker 1: It's a good point. We don't see many six three,
Speaker 1: six four safeties. Yeah, it's very rare that you have
Speaker 1: those guys. I mean there's been guys been drafted high
Speaker 1: to like Patrick Bates was picked. He's over sixty three, right,
Speaker 1: you know, You've had guys like Steve Atwater was over
Speaker 1: six two. He's had great success. We've got a few
Speaker 1: of those guys this year with melon Fawn Wu and
Speaker 1: then also the Louisville kid, Harvey Clemens. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: didn't like him as much. I agree. So with melan
Speaker 1: fon Wu. He can run and he can he can
Speaker 1: cover some ground. Can and I think you know those
Speaker 1: long strides where that height helps him. Are you thinking
Speaker 1: more of a side tackler stuff like that or take Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't love his tape. He was okay. I thought
Speaker 1: he did better at the Senior Bowl in coverage. I
Speaker 1: mean they lined him at a corner on some of
Speaker 1: those drills. Makes sense with the range right, and so
Speaker 1: he covered turn. I think he could for a long
Speaker 1: legged guy. I saw some I think it was a
Speaker 1: Houston game where the ball went sideline and he went
Speaker 1: from the middle and like, just bash the guy into
Speaker 1: the bench. I think bottom line with him is he'll
Speaker 1: be drafted higher than I would draft him. I think
Speaker 1: he's going to be in that mid to late third round.
Speaker 1: That's where I would feel comfortable, right. I think somewhere
Speaker 1: between picks fifty and seventy five would probably come off
Speaker 1: the board. Someone will really want a gamble as possibly big, big,
Speaker 1: tall safety guy. Yeah. I mean they already have one
Speaker 1: with Chancellor. I don't want to, but maybe or maybe
Speaker 1: someone trying to copy Seattle exactly. Yeah, that happens too.
Speaker 1: Brian is very good about admitting when he is wrong,
Speaker 1: and he does that in a very prideful manner. But
Speaker 1: in this draft, who is the player that you have
Speaker 1: the biggest chance of being wrong about? I think we've
Speaker 1: identified that. Last year. Yours was kind of maybe Joey Bosa. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so this year, who's the guy that you know you're
Speaker 1: hesitant about. Maybe one of the risk guys you said earlier,
Speaker 1: but he could end up being better than we all think.
Speaker 1: It's a good question. It's a hard question because it's
Speaker 1: kind of going against whatever you think. Anyway, I think
Speaker 1: the easy way would be go with one of these quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: just because there is such there's so much doubt with
Speaker 1: one of them. I'll try to stay away from the quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: I'll say Quincy Wilson from Florida. Yeah, he's a player
Speaker 1: who I just don't think it's very good. And everybody's
Speaker 1: got him up real high on the board in the
Speaker 1: top fifty first round player. Yeah, but the tape shows
Speaker 1: a player who doesn't have the speed that you want
Speaker 1: a corner right, doesn't understand spacing the way you want.
Speaker 1: He has a few splash is where he'll make a
Speaker 1: pick and return it for a big game, But watching
Speaker 1: his tape snap after snap, a good sized athlete and
Speaker 1: he might test okay, and so that's going to help him.
Speaker 1: But I just don't see a consistent football player. I
Speaker 1: have him grated as a safety because I just don't
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be able to stay at corner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and I'll stay with Florida. The opposite. I
Speaker 1: think I could be really wrong about Tabor. You know,
Speaker 1: you like him. I like him a lot. I like
Speaker 1: Test Tabor. I like him a lot. And I feel
Speaker 1: like that I have him maybe too high on the board,
Speaker 1: you know, and I and I and I would you know,
Speaker 1: wrong in the opposite way? Yeah? Wrong? Yeah? Wrong? Wrong?
Speaker 1: Did I have him too high that he doesn't play well,
Speaker 1: that he that he that he turns into a bust?
Speaker 1: Who do you feel like you had that last year
Speaker 1: with just in comparison, like somebody that you really put
Speaker 1: up high and then he ended up not really delivering
Speaker 1: as well. I don't know if you can say that
Speaker 1: right now. It's kind of trying to Yeah, I need
Speaker 1: to go back and look at my notes. And you know,
Speaker 1: Miles Jack, Miles Jack, well, yeah, Miles Jack was my
Speaker 1: number one guy. And I think that Miles Jack, you know,
Speaker 1: with the situation, if he if he had. If he's
Speaker 1: bad for Jacksonville this year and doesn't play well, that
Speaker 1: that will be my that will be my new all
Speaker 1: timer right there, because he was my number one player
Speaker 1: on my board. Yeah, and then and then also yeah,
Speaker 1: I wanted to give him another shot. But yeah, and
Speaker 1: you said a key phrase. I think it's situational. It's
Speaker 1: all situational success. I mean, you know, Zeke could have
Speaker 1: gone somewhere else and maybe he didn't have the old
Speaker 1: line that he did and would be like, well, he's
Speaker 1: not even in consideration for Brickie. I just I just
Speaker 1: want to give him the opportunity. You know, we'll see
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Taylor Stern, thank you for answering
Speaker 1: my question. I appreciate that. Yeah, for Taylor Stern, for
Speaker 1: Dane Burglar, for Kate Garrison and Brian brought someone to
Speaker 1: thank h Derek Eagleton for letting a ski on the
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