WEBVTT - Draft Show: Big Questions Before The Combine 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:09.360 He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys there 0:00:09.440 --> 0:00:12.760 war room for in center news and draft analysis from 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:16.280 deep within the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:22.040 in Fresco, Dallas Cowboys Selectazikiel Elliott and now your hosts 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:27.040 Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well, welcome 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:30.440 back to the Draft Show here from the SWBC Mortgage Studios. 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:34.360 It's always nice to have you with us as we 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:39.720 get closer to the NFL combine coming up. I saw 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:42.879 the other day where there was sixty five or so 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:45.440 days until the draft. It'll be here before you know it, 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:49.239 so we are happy that you're here. Brian brought us 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:54.240 along with Dane Brugler from CBS Sports. Joined also here 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:59.040 by a young lady that is really really locked in 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:02.960 to what's going on college football. And I'm always glad 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:07.360 to have Taylor Stern with a stain because she is 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:10.600 a go to person when it comes to college football 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:14.920 and there's there's questions about these players coaches. I mean, 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:17.520 she's had a lot of interaction with guys on the 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:22.760 national football It's gonna be the national championship scene. Orange Bowls, 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:26.720 Rose Bowls, Young Lade. Yeah, she's made a lot of 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:32.000 connections throughout the throughout her brief career, but they've all 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:34.080 been great connections. Taylor Stern, welcome to the Draft show. 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:36.240 Thank you, thank you. You know, Dave just quit on 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:40.160 you as usual. Well Mardi Gras took over. Yeah, that 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:42.399 matters more to me. I'm all about let's find the 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:46.800 next stacks Anthony Brown exactly. But he just doesn't care. 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:50.520 He does not care. So yeah, nice too. Nice to 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:54.200 have you along, Taylor, really and appreciate that. Okay, today 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:56.480 we're going to get into a little bit about the 0:01:56.560 --> 0:02:01.040 combine it is. We will have shows from Indianapolis starting 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:05.280 next Tuesday. There'll be shows likely at the end of 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:07.360 the day. We've got a lot of things that we 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:10.840 have to do and interviews, watching workouts, things like that, 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:14.560 and we will have our hour long shows from Indianapolis 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:17.480 for you, kind of a recap of what's going on 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:22.799 each day. Those will go from Tuesday through Saturday. We'll 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:25.480 have a special weekend show for you on Saturday and 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:28.000 tie everything up in Indianapolis. But I do want to 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:31.359 get into a little bit about the combine and Dane, 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:37.679 you know, expectations at the combine. You know, expectations of players, 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:41.239 of coaches, of scouts, of fans. What are you looking 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:44.120 forward to most about this combine? They're all different. You know. 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:46.640 I've been going to combine since nineteen ninety two and 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:49.000 every one of them has always been different from me. 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:53.200 Expectations of what you're looking forward to at the combine. 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:55.600 You've got me beating. I think this is my eighth combine. 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:57.480 So I'm an old man. Yeah, a little bit more 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:00.440 on me. Yeah, yeah, you know, you're right because it's 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:04.120 an individual basis type of thing. Because for one player, 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:07.359 his three cone drill might be the most important thing 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:09.880 that I'm looking forward to, but for another it's the medicals. 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:13.280 Another it might be the interviews, and so another it 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:16.240 might be hand size. It's just it's it's wide range. 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:18.959 It depends on the player we're talking about in terms 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:21.480 of what's most important for him. So I'm working on 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:23.880 my preview right now that's gonna be up on CBS Sports, 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:28.840 and I'm breaking down sixty players and what's different about 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:31.079 each one of them that scouts need to find out, 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:34.280 you know, for sixty players, right, So I just pointed 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:37.920 out sixty a player like Ryan Ramchick, the talented Wisconsin 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:40.480 offensive tackles, the top offensive tackle in this group. I 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:43.400 think's the top twenty pick. Recently a hip surgery. How 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:46.520 does that play into his evaluation? A player like Corey 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:49.680 Davis from Western Michigan, the wide receiver will be there, 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:51.440 but he will not be working out because of an 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:54.240 ankles cleery. Right, they call it a minor. He should 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.680 be ready at some point over the summer. But again, 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:58.760 this is a player from the MAC who we won't 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:02.920 get to have verified times on right before the draft, 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:05.560 and a player that might be the top receiver taken. So, 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:10.560 whether it's the medicals, whether it's the interview process, there's 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.760 a lot that we need to learn and figure out 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:15.600 when we're in Indianapolis. Taylor, I'm gonna turn to you 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:19.479 on something here, he said, the interview process. Your area 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:23.200 of expertise in where Dallas Cowboys dot Com is the 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:26.120 social media side of it, that you know, all the 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:30.080 things that you do, the presentations, the relationships you've built 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:33.080 with the players, the trust that you've built with these players. 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:37.520 Talk about though, what the avenue know. I'm going to 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:40.720 interview kids and I used to not be able to 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:43.360 know anything really about these kids. But now all of 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:47.279 a sudden, I can get on social media platforms and 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:50.000 learn a little bit more about them, maybe ask them 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:54.840 some questions about behavioral practices, things they believe, things they 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:59.600 don't believe, outspoken, not out outspoken, talk about though you know, 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:03.279 you know, and I know you've had interaction with people 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:06.039 about the social media side and how you use it 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:10.200 to evaluate players. Talk about what I expect going in 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:12.520 with these interview process from that side of it. Absolutely, 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:15.479 and I think since Laramie Tunsil, there's been a lot 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.880 of focus on social media and what happened with him 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:22.279 in the draft. Obviously that didn't happen until the draft weekend, 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:26.080 but prior to that, I mean, you know that there 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:29.920 are people in these scouting departments that are specifically looking 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:33.120 at guys social media. Not only their social media, but 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:36.840 their dads, their moms, their sisters, their brothers, the friends 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:40.760 they hang out with, the girlfriends, the fiance's wives, anyone 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:44.560 that is personally close to these players. Their social media 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:48.760 is under speculation because it's a very important part. A 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:52.080 social media profile can tell you so much about a person. 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:54.800 It's kind of creepy. We all know that, sure, but 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:57.760 you can get some questions. Hey, I saw that you 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:00.680 said you were here, but on your girl friend's Twitter, 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:03.560 she posted a picture of a date night somewhere else, right, 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:06.760 you know, So you can catch these people in either 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:09.919 lies or see really positive things about them. Hey, you 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.320 know your mom posted this about you. We didn't know 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:15.359 that that you, you know, did all these things, or 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:18.280 you had a learning disability or something like that. And 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.000 so I think that social media is becoming an avenue 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:25.320 for scouts to learn a different side of them, because Okay, 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:28.600 when you're in those interview process, it's very nerve wrecking, absolutely, 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:31.160 and you're probably I'm just this nervous interview and the 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:34.240 kid is as if they are I really am exactly, 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:38.600 So who knows how they're you know, showing themselves. Perception 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:42.040 is reality, so obviously they want it to be the 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:43.919 best it is. Well, Hey, I just went to your 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:47.560 dad's social profile and he's talking smack about the Falcons, 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:51.360 you know, and he posted this tweet. We also saw 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:54.320 what happened to Dak and draft weekend last year where 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:57.839 he gets drafted by the Cowboys. A simple Twitter search 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:01.279 of at Dak at Dallas cow Boys and you see 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:05.880 him talking badly about Tony Romo. Right, So these players really, 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:09.760 you know, besides getting their physical in check, they need 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:12.440 to get their social in check. Go back, see what 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:15.880 you posted, Miles Garrett, the video that came out exactly. 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:18.760 Know who you're talking to, Know who you're sharing things with. 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:22.880 People are also taking photos of you wherever you are, right, 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:26.760 and they're uploading those two Snapchat Twitter things like that 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:31.400 don't be in any questionable circumstances where hey, you know 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:34.320 nobody's posting it that you know about social media, right, 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:37.480 Joe Fan over there just took a picture of you here, 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.120 and now I'm in a post that Hey, I'm Miles Garrett. 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.600 I went out to Northgate and you know this is 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:45.560 a week before the draft, right, got and put myself 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.400 in a bad situation actually exactly. So I'm curious to 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:50.720 see how much of that is going to play into it, 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:54.120 And especially like guys like Jalen Smith, who last year 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:57.320 you know you're talking about medicals, didn't really participate. Did 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:01.080 all that very impressive in his press conference. I remember 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:04.040 you saying that, right, And now he's really used social 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:07.800 media to also be a benefit. Yeah, this is new 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:10.520 to us. Isn't it. It's totally new to us. It's 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.560 something that we've had a great job of explaining that. 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:16.320 So that's why you need somebody like Taylor Stern on 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:19.280 your staff to kind of get you through. I'm an 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:22.280 old I'm an old scout, you know the whole thing 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:24.760 these you know, things that have happened with the mixings 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:26.840 and stuff like that. I mean, I need to be 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:30.480 educated on this stuff. And now this is really a 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:34.520 huge part of what these teams spending millions of dollars 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:37.520 on these players. It might be a social post, it 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:40.760 takes somebody off a board. What Taylor says something that 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:43.600 was I think key in perception is reality and that 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:46.480 is so true right with a lot of these players 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:48.960 and for a lot of fans in the outside world. 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:53.160 Social media is what creates the narrative. It's that perception, 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:56.400 and so yeah, it's such a big part from a 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:59.200 scouting perspective. You know, we can talk about the on 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:01.600 field and you know what we look for on tape 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:04.720 and all that, but off the field is just as important, 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:10.520 you know that, right, and information is power. The more yeah, absolutely, 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:13.760 better decision you can make, the better understanding you have 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.920 of the player's mental makeup, who he is as a person, 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:20.240 his character, how he treats others. All that goes into 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:23.640 the overall grade. You'll have your on field grade, but 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:26.120 then you have the off field grade, a character grade, 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:30.520 and that's important. Oh yeah, it affects the overall grade. Absolutely. Yeah. 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:32.680 And we saw what happened last year with Eli Apple 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:35.040 and his mom getting pretty active on Twitter. I mean 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:38.319 now she has pretty much a Twitter personality, she's verified, 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:41.560 she's been on ESPN do some different things. We've seen 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:44.800 Zeke's mom too a lot of times. You know, they 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:48.040 may have their perception so cleaned up and it looks great. Well, 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.400 I just went to their girlfriend's page and she's talking 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:53.959 about how, you know, he had the worst workout. Yeah, 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:55.959 you know, now she has to go take him out, 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:58.679 you know, or something like that. So you can find 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:01.760 these things, like you're saying, information that I think could 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:06.360 be critical in figuring out I'm seeing people gone through 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:08.960 these guys. I mean, Zach Banner's one that I remember 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.840 someone went through and was like, girlfriend seems a little 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:16.760 too close. Let's watch this because these guys are twenty 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:20.480 twenty one years old, twenty two. Yeah, very impressionable, right, 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:23.760 and you know, it's important to know everyone who is 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:26.280 around them. And like you said, you're about to spend 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:28.080 a million dollars. That's spend a lot of money. It's 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:31.440 funny how you know, in the early to mid nineties, 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:35.880 how different the NFL would have been if social media 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:39.400 existed at that time. You're a player like Brett Farv Oh, yes, 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:41.400 you know he liked to go out and oh no, 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:45.000 we we there's things that we had to actually hide, right. Yeah. So, 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:47.760 I mean it's just amazing how different things are now 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:52.000 compared to you know, twenty years ago. It's just how 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:54.320 things have changed and everyone out's changed with it. Yeah, 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.360 it's all part of it. Okay, I'm gonna go. Yeah, 0:10:57.640 --> 0:10:59.480 it's something that and and we'll get into the combat 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:01.400 because we're going to do all that. Taylor and I 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:03.600 were talking though. She had something that was really, I think, 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:05.760 kind of neat, and she was asking me about these 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:08.720 players and she wants to do something though that she 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:10.640 kind of kind of an idea about is this guy 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:13.599 a safe pick or a risky pick? Yes, and I 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:15.439 just gotta got one guy, yeah, I want to kind 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:18.080 of she had a list of guys that she wanted 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:19.640 to go through, and I'm like, Okay, we'll shoot this 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:21.079 and we're gonna do something. The way the show is 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:23.000 gonna roll today is we're gonna do this, and we're 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:25.000 gonna do Twitter on the twenty, and then we're gonna 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:28.960 do Taylor's got another another thing called Taylor's Takes, and 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:31.920 she's got some more pressure games on games. Tage's coming 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:34.480 with some some information heat today, so we're gonna let 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:36.000 her be a part of that. So and we can 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:38.079 also we take calls eight eight, eight, eight, five five 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:39.600 two two nine seven. We might get to that at 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:41.199 the end of the show, but go ahead, Taylor, and 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:44.960 let's let's hit some of these safe pick or risky pick. Yeah, Dane, 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:48.240 I'll start with you. Safe pick or risk pick with 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:52.199 Jonathan Allen, defensive tackle from Alabama. I think he's as 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.600 safe as you can get from a tape perspective, from 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:58.920 a character perspective, he has a few shoulder things going on, 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:01.000 So as long as that that's dead, be my only 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:04.560 hesitation there. As long as the shoulders check out, he 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:07.280 is an extremely safe pick player. They went back for 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:10.120 a senior year to get better, I mean Nick Saban 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:14.280 will rave about his intelligence, about the person that he is. Um, 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:18.160 he didn't have the best upbringing, but he has powered 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:20.480 through adversity. So I think Jonathan Allen is a very 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:21.959 good example of the type of player you want on 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:23.800 your team. So the film and everything other than the 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:26.160 injuries check out though, for being there, for being the 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:28.760 safe pick. Yeah, and especially that high right, he's a 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:32.840 very clean player on the field. I mean, versatility, power, strength, 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:36.040 quitting it, it has it everything. He'd be taken over Garrett. 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:39.880 Could he be taken over high? I don't, I don't. 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:41.920 We're talking maybe a top three picks, I don't. Yeah, 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:44.080 I've seen him, Yeah, you ever seen him at one? 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:46.160 I don't, don't. I don't know. You never know. I 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:48.079 mean maybe if you're not in love with Garrett, maybe, 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:50.800 But Garrett to me is just he's the best player. 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:53.400 But and I mean, I guess if you're saying that, 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:56.080 I wonder how many you know, different traits we could see. 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:58.320 I mean that last year it was the Browns and 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:00.760 then it was the Ramps. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I think 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:03.240 there's three defensive I mean, with Jonathan Allen, Miles Garrett 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:05.640 and Solomon Thomas. I think all three of those guys 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:09.040 are top five that those types of players. Brian think 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:10.840 Miles Garret is just a little bit better than the 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:16.120 other two. Okay, Brent Molly Cooker from Ohio State, Right, Yeah, 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:18.400 you know what, I think that's interesting about Mollie Cooker 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:20.600 depending on what you really there's tape that you can 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:23.480 watch about him where he really doesn't tackle great And 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:28.160 now does Adams fit over him? You know the LSU 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:31.200 safety and so I'm kind of in my mind I'm 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:35.320 thinking like probably a top to probably a top twelve player, 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:38.760 But does the tape is free safety scare you a 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:41.319 little bit? It's being that safe player. I mean, when 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:43.719 you make that kind of investment for a safety, are 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:46.840 you really getting the best player? I think with him, 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:51.160 I have him over Adams myself. So, but man, that 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:54.240 tackling part. If I'm a team, I'm maybe thinking about 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.920 how consistent is he really? Is that the safest route 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:00.320 to go when you're talking about a safety. Yeah, and 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:03.040 that's fair. I think a big thing with Hooker is 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:09.400 his issues are more angles, more just I discipline, understanding 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:11.840 where he needs to be, not effort. I think the efforts. 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:15.480 He's a tough guy. He technique though, Right, it's not 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:18.560 like he avoids content, which is a good step if you're, 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:20.840 you know, not gonna be the best downhill tackler. At 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:22.920 least show me effort and hustle. And that's there. So 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:25.560 I think he'll get better. Remember a redshirt sophomore, Yeah, 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:29.120 first year as a starter. The ball production with seven 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.600 picks this year is just outstanding. So I'm with you. 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:33.280 I give him a little bit of an edge over 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:38.520 Adams because he impacts the back half of the field more. Right, 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:42.040 But your your point is well made about the run defense. Obviously, 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:46.200 the best name in the draft Taco Charlton Dane safe 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:50.520 or risk, that's a good one. Um. She I told 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:54.360 you she's bringing fastballs today. And it's not because his 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:58.920 name is Taco. But I always say with Taco Charlton that, um, 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:04.240 he has all the angry, just lack season, and that's 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:07.880 that's Taco Charlton. Uh a late bloomer, a guy who 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:10.600 didn't really start until a senior year. You see the 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:13.120 physical traits, I mean they're they're there. He's a big, 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:15.360 strong guy. Yeah, he can bend off the edge a 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:17.920 little bit. Um, I think he's going to get better. 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:22.680 Is he safe or risk? I would lean more towards safe, 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:24.600 but I don't feel great about it. I don't feel 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:26.960 as safe about him as maybe I do some of 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:29.800 these other players. And I've said this before. He reminds 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:31.360 me a lot of Justin Tuck when he was having 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:33.520 got a Notre Dame. And there was a reason Justin 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:35.720 Tuck was a third round pick, not a first round pick. 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:38.960 And so I think with Taco Charlton, you're not drafting 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:40.920 him for you who he is now. You're drafting him 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:43.520 for who you think he'll be two three years from now, 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:46.200 and so with that projection, there's always a little bit 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:52.200 of risk. Absolutely. Sidney Jones from Washington bran cornerback, Yeah, 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:55.640 I know already kind of yeah, Grant, I think that 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:58.760 to me, I think I have other corners better, you know, 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:04.560 when I like White from LSU, Moreau from from UCLA, Tabor, 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:06.320 of course, I mean Tabor's gonna be a guy you're 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:08.560 gonna have to talk about. I think city Jones. I 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:11.680 like the length, I like the reach. I don't always 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.360 like the ability though of him, the way he runs. 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:17.760 I think that some people, to me, could take advantage 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:20.480 of him on some vertical stuff. When you get him 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:23.600 near the ball, he tends to make some plays. I 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:26.120 just worry about him having to get in the right 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:29.560 scheme fit. You know, I like him playing up, I 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:31.440 really really do. But I worry about some of the 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:33.760 movement stuff sometimes with him. Yeah, it ruins me a 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:36.080 lot of Joe Hayden, where you know he a great 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:38.440 player though, I mean, well, yeah, he can get beat 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:40.720 a little. I mean he will have moments where you know, 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:43.640 you kind of wonder, but I think overall, pretty good player. 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:48.280 I think, yeah, great, Yeah, well yeah he used to be. Yeah, 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:49.960 I think he's more of a risk, I guess, is 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:51.520 what I'm trying to say. If you're I mean I 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:54.920 had I had like four s corners. I had him, 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.520 and I think if you're looking for a corner, it 0:16:57.600 --> 0:16:59.320 has to be if you get If he gets in 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:02.800 the wrong fit scheme fit, there could be some problems 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:05.240 there with him. Right, I think playing up is better 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:07.359 than playing back for him because this isn't done in 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:10.280 a vacuum. Right, we're comparing him to other corners in 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:13.280 this draft, right that you might feel more comfortable with. So, yeah, 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:15.840 I'm with you, But your point about him making plays 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:18.879 high school wide receiver. When the ball is in his area, 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:21.000 he does make plays, and I think that's a plus 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:23.560 to me. He's a top five corner. You know, I 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:25.560 still think he'll go that high somewhere in the first round. 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.640 But yeah, he's not a perfect prospect. That that's that's 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:30.720 that's true. All right. You talked about Sydney being a 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:33.840 wide receiver. But let's talk about another one. Mike Williams 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:37.280 from Clemson. I think he's safe, I really do. I 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:39.080 don't think he's gonna have the best forty yard dash. 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:41.440 I'm hoping at the combine he runs old miss guys 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:43.240 scary from last year a little bit after all that, 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:45.159 How do you mean you can't ignore that? You know? 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:47.600 You know, I know that's what now makes me think, yeah, right, 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:49.960 I mean, is he gonna run close to a four 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:52.399 to five or closer to a four to six. You know, 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:54.080 if if Mike Williams goes out and runs a four 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:57.760 to five eight, that's not ideal. Obviously, it's not a 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:01.359 deal breaker because his game, his ranks are not built 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:03.960 on speed. His strengths are at the catch point, his 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:07.280 body control. Um, you know, the way he can create 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:10.520 a window when there isn't one against defenders and tight coverage. 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:13.560 So I'd like to see him run somewhere in the 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:17.240 low four fives hopefully. I think that would only cement 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:19.840 his status as the top receiver this year. But if 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:21.760 he doesn't, that does create a little bit of doubt. 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:24.119 But I think the tape is strong enough where I 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:27.800 feel comfortable calling him a safe pick. Cool Ryan Ramcheck. 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:30.640 You know we've already heard Dane's take on him. Yeah, 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:34.199 your take, Yeah, you know what, I think that To me, 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:37.720 I think that this is a position that I'm really 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:41.080 really scared at. I'm scared of these offensive tackles, and 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:43.440 I don't think I think he's more of an athlete 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:45.680 than he is a power player, and so I worry 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:47.280 about that a little bit. I worry about really a 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:49.520 little bit of lack of the strength. I think he's 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:52.160 got the initial quickness. I think he I think he's 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:55.800 got technique. I worry about the power though. We've seen 0:18:55.840 --> 0:19:01.880 some Wisconsin Gabe Breamy, Reamy, Yeah, Wisconsin come out kind 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:04.400 of be somewhat of a guy that was highly touted, 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:07.119 first rounder, first rounder and then really not play with power, 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:10.399 really not be you know more athlete than power player. 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:13.760 I worry he's more like him than he is really 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:16.320 some of the Wisconsin tackles that we've seen in the past. 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:19.720 So I'm a little bit I'm a little bit more 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:22.400 of a risk there, and that that whole position, though, 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:25.880 is a position I would worry at. Okay, absolutely, Well, 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:30.720 we also have a Garrett Bulls m that's a risk. See, yeah, 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:32.920 you didn't even hesitate on that one. Well, and you 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:35.080 you factor in a lot of things here in the 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:37.000 fact that he is an older guy. He'll be a 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:40.080 twenty five year old in an NFL rookie. Um. You know, 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:42.680 he has a great story coming from where he did. 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:47.240 Uh you know, had gotten into some trouble in high school, 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:49.879 was out of football all together, he was working on 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:54.160 garage doors, and then he decided at some point after 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:56.199 a church mission to turn his life around. Goes to 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:59.399 snow College, goes to Utah. So this is a player 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:01.720 who hasn't really been at part of a strength and 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:04.479 conditioning program. Yeah. I think that lack of course strength 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:06.600 really shows and the way he plays now, he's a 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:10.760 terrific athlete. Right. Athleticism is not an issue with Garrett Bowls, 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:13.359 but he needs to get stronger, and you know, he's 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:14.920 an older guy. How long is it going to take 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:17.280 for him to get, you know, up to par with 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:19.200 what you need him to be at to start in 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:23.080 the NFL. This all factors into his value. I'm not 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:25.720 so much worried about his character as maybe you would 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:27.439 have been five years ago. He's an older guy, just 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:29.800 got married, just had a child, so I think he 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:34.040 has a more mature lifestyle now. But just his inexperience 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:37.119 athleticism is there, but I worry about the course strength, 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:39.320 some of the technique, technique issues. It's going to take 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:41.000