1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM paranormal 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: podcast network. Now get ready for us Strange Things with 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: Joshua P. Warre. 4 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,159 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 6 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 2: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 2: to Coast AM, employees of premier networks, or their sponsors 8 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 9 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 10 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: Ready you will be amazed by the wizard of this 11 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 1: Strange Thing with Warren. I am Joshua P. Warren, and 12 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: each week on this show, I'll be bringing you brand 13 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: new my blowing content, news exercises, and weird experiments you 14 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: can do at home, and a lot more. On this 15 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: edition of the show, War of the World's and Did 16 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: Houdini Come Back from the Other Side? I also have 17 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: more stuff I plan to talk about. It's going to 18 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: be one of those shows kind of all over the place, 19 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: I think, but that's okay. It's a potpourri. It keeps 20 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: things interesting moving quickly, you know. I come from a 21 00:01:53,120 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: background in live radio. I started hosting long before the 22 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: word podcasting was around. I was a host at well. 23 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: I was born and raised in Asheville, North Carolina, and 24 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: so my first real hosting gig was at news Radio 25 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: five seventy WNC, the Talk of the Mountains. And you know, 26 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: at that time, when you were doing live radio, if 27 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: it was October thirty first, then you would come on 28 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: the radio and say, Happy Halloween, everybody, What are you 29 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,839 Speaker 1: doing tonight? What kind of costume are you wearing? Where 30 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: you're going to be trick or treating? Call in, tell 31 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 1: me about your party plans, et cetera. And of course 32 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: with this sort of a podcast, you can't really do 33 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: that because you know, people can be listening at any time. 34 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: These kinds of shows are meant to be sort of evergreen, 35 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: as they say, so it's not restricted to a particular time. 36 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 1: But having said that, look, I'm living in the real 37 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: world and this is I'm recording this in October of 38 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, and this is my last recording for 39 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: the month of October. It actually comes out, it all 40 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: goes according to schedule. It will be put out by 41 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: iHeart on Friday, October the thirty first, of twenty twenty five, 42 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: and you know, it's not very often that Halloween falls 43 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: on a Friday, so I thought, you know, by the 44 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: time you hear this, unless you happen to hear the 45 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: day comes out, well, it's probably going to be after 46 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: October thirty first. But that doesn't matter, because there are 47 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: some very interesting things about October thirty first that I 48 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: want to share with you that resonate and reach all 49 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: kinds of other strange phenomena that we're going to get into. 50 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: In fact, one thing that I thought was really cool 51 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: about working as a host and doing a lot of 52 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: Halloween shows and everything at News Radio five seventy w 53 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: WNC is that they were one of the stations in 54 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty eight that broadcast Orson wells famous and perhaps 55 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: infamous War of the World's Halloween Show. And if you 56 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: don't know what I'm talking about, you know, Orson Wells 57 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: is considered, you know, one of the greatest filmmakers of 58 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: all time. He was definitely a genius. He's most famous 59 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: for his movie Citizen Kane, and Citizen Kane was just 60 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: absolutely phenomenal for its time. Many consider it the greatest 61 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: film ever made. I mean, if you consider it in 62 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 1: the context of the time in which it was made, 63 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: it's astounding. But he really got his first break into 64 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: national fame because when he was twenty three years old, 65 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: he was with this group of performers that did live radio. 66 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: And I'm looking right now to get all the dates 67 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: down pat here, it looks like, okay, yeah, the Mercury Theater. 68 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: At that time, they were on the CBS radio network, 69 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: and so they adapted the novel The War of the 70 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: Worlds by HG. Wells into this nineteen thirty eight radio drama. 71 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: And the funny thing is that and this this drama, 72 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: it freaked people out. It was this A lot of 73 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: people think of this as being something that came out 74 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: on Halloween night. It actually came out the night before 75 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: it started airing, I believe out of New York. I'm 76 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: not one hundred percent sure about that, but it started 77 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: airing on eight p let's see at eight pm Eastern time, 78 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: that's New York City time on October thirtieth, nineteen thirty eight. 79 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: So you know, basically how good good Halloween timing there. 80 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: The episode was directed and narrated by Orson Wells, and 81 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: it's infamous for inciting a panic. So this was okay HG. 82 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: Wells novel, And of course HG. Wells he's one of 83 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: the greatest science fiction writers of all time. He was 84 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: an Englishman born in eighteen eighty six died nineteen forty six. 85 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: Some of his books include not only War of the Worlds, 86 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 1: but The Time Machine, The Invisible Man, The Island of 87 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: Doctor Moreau. He was one of those guys who was 88 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: such a good science fiction writer. He almost seemed like 89 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 1: he was a futurist, like he was able to see 90 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: the technology of the future. A people compare him often 91 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: to someone like Jules Verne, who was, of course the 92 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: French writer who lived from eighteen twenty eight to nineteen 93 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: oh five, and he wrote Journey to the Center of 94 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: the Earth twenty thousand leagues under the sea, around the 95 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: world in eighty days. But again, kind of a visionary 96 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: who almost seemed to be looking into the future. Well anyway, 97 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: Orson Wells took HG. Wells book about this alien invasion, 98 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: and if you're relatively young, you may at least remember 99 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: the Steven Spielberg movie that was based upon this that 100 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: starred Tom Cruise. Great film, but Orson Wells presented this 101 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: thing as well, you know what it's it reminds me 102 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: of sort of the inspiration for mockumentaries. He got on 103 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: and pretended this was a broadcast saying that Martians are 104 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: invading the country right now. And so the first half 105 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: of the program was delivered in this kind of realistic 106 00:07:54,840 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: breaking news format. And since this show had few commerce interruptions, 107 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: the first break came after fictional reporters had described this 108 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: devastating alien invasion in the fall of New York City. Now, 109 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: this caused some great confusion and fear among listeners. Popular 110 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: legends say that some of the radio audience may have 111 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: been listening to a more highly rated show with Edgar 112 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: Bergen and then switched to War of the Worlds during 113 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: a musical interlude, and so they missed Wells's introduction of 114 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: his show as a work of science fiction, so they 115 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: didn't get the disclaimer. And so apparently all these people 116 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: all over the country began flipping out and believing that 117 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: there was actually some type of an alien invasion happening. 118 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 1: And you know, people, they were in the streets, they 119 00:08:55,320 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: were saying prayers, they were you can read about all 120 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 1: the things that people were doing but they flipped down. 121 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: And this has actually been used as an excuse for 122 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: a long time by entities related to the US government, 123 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: the excuse for why that maybe disclosure of alien visitation 124 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: should should should not exist, That this would be too powerful, 125 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: it would throw things into too much chaos that the 126 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: people can't handle it. Maybe they're right. Orson Well said 127 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: that after the show was over, I mean he didn't 128 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: know what had happened exactly, and then the next day, 129 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: I mean, he was just being bombarded by reporters and 130 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: it seemed like the whole world was talking about this, 131 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 1: and he was, you know, considered in some cases sort 132 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: of he was sort of demonized as being a trickster 133 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: and being irresponsible for doing that. He said that he 134 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 1: thought that the panic was exaggerated because at that time 135 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: there was kind of a battle between the TV business 136 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: and the radio business, and that TV was trying to, 137 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: of course gain the edge, and so they would take 138 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: any opportunity they could to say something bad about the radio. Well, look, regardless, 139 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: I bring this up to you because it's funny to 140 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: think about the fact that The War of the Worlds, 141 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: the book written by HG. Wells, was written by a 142 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: man whose last name was spelled W. E Lls, and 143 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: then it became super famous because of this broadcast done 144 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: in nineteen thirty eight, which was produced by Orson Wells, 145 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: and his name is spelled W. E Lles, so different spelling, 146 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: but the same sound when you hear it. And this 147 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: started reminding me of this phenomenon, which is often called 148 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,959 Speaker 1: the name game, that there are certain names that seemed 149 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: to pop up over and over again, even though they're 150 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 1: spelled differently, when it comes to certain types of paralormal phenomena. 151 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: I've talked before about the Superman curse, how that George 152 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: Reeve was the first actor who became famous for playing 153 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: Superman on TV. I see George Reeves. Okay, it's easy 154 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: to get. So George Reeves became famous for being the 155 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 1: first guy to play Superman, and he ended up with 156 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: a tragic and he ended up dying tragically. Nobody is 157 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: sure if he killed himself or if he was murdered. 158 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: And then Christopher Reeve, no relation, went on to play 159 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: Superman in the movie, and of course he had a 160 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: tragic end. But again it's you know, HG. Wells and 161 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: Orson Wells no relationship there, but the names are spelled 162 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: the same. No relationship between George Reeves and Christopher Reeve. 163 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: But what are the chances they would end up finding 164 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: themselves in this position? And then well, look, I got 165 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: to take a break. When we come back, there's another 166 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: Reeve in here, and then you just have to wait 167 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: and see where this is all going. It's gonna be again. 168 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: It's one of those shows. Hey, if you like this show, 169 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: you want to support it, do me a favor. Go 170 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: to Joshua P. Warren dot com on the homepage. Sign 171 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: up for my free and spam free e newsletter. Takes 172 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: you two seconds. When you do that, you'll get an 173 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: automated gift an email for me with some free online gifts. 174 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 1: I'm Joshua pe Warren, and you're listening to Strange Things 175 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network, 176 00:12:54,920 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: and I will be right back. Welcome back to Strange 177 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: Things of the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast a M 178 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: Paranormal Podcast Network. I have your host, the Wizard of Weird, 179 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: Joshua P. Warren, beaming into your world whole brain from 180 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: my studio in Sensity, Las Vegas, Nevada, where every day 181 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: is golden and every night is silver. Gatakto zoom, yes 182 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: the name. So again, you know, we have HG. Wells 183 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: and Orson Wells. We have George Reeves and Christopher Reeve. 184 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: And then I kind of meant to bring this up. 185 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: I recently read an article to you that was in 186 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: Fate Magazine based upon something that was originally from North 187 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: Carolina ghost dot com about the Chimney Rock apparitions. And 188 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: if you haven't heard that, I think it's probably the 189 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: last show I did. Go back and listen to it. 190 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: It's a crazy story, but I bring it up because 191 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: this is about a group of people in eighteen oh 192 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: six who started seeing these phenomenal apparitions over top of 193 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: Chimney Rock, North Carolina. And it began when an eight 194 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: year old had the first sighting. Her name Elizabeth Reeves 195 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: spelled r e a v E s and uh so 196 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: then you know she she went and told her her 197 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: brother and uh Morgan Reeves. But anyway, look, it's just 198 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: another example of this. So we have Reeve Reeves, and 199 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: we have Reeves spelled r e e v e, and 200 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: we have Reeves spelled r e e v e s 201 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: I think, and then R E A V E s am. 202 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: I starting to sound a little bit insane at this point. Well, Uh, 203 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: one of my friends, Lauren Coleman, who is just a 204 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: fantastic author, he writes a lot about this thing called 205 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: the name game, and it's almost like that just a 206 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: name represents a vibration that attracts a certain kind of energy, 207 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: and you see these patterns if you study these stories 208 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: about weird stuff long enough. In fact, I just found 209 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: this he wrote. Well, I think he talked about this 210 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: one of his most famous books called Mysterious America. It's 211 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: a classic. But one of his websites here is copycat 212 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: effect dot blogspot dot com, and he wrote this back 213 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen. I'm going to read some of what 214 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: Lauren Coleman said. He says cryptologic or coincidence. Jim Brandon, 215 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: whoever that is, I really don't know, should be credited 216 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: with calling attention to the name Watts, Watkins, or Watson 217 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: and its entanglement with inexplicable things. Some other names involved 218 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: in mysterious events pinpointed by Brandon are Bell, Mason, Parsons, Pike, Vernon, 219 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: and Warren. The influence of such names as Mason, Pike, Warren, 220 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 1: and Lafayette, for example, issues in some crypto political and 221 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: occult way from their ties to the Masonic tradition. He 222 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 1: goes on to talk about how Charles Fort was especially 223 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: interested in this. Charles Fort wrote, quote, my liveliest interest 224 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 1: is not so much in things as in relations of things. 225 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: I've spent much time thinking about the alleged pseudo relations 226 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: that are called coincidences. One if some of them should 227 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: not be coincidences, noting that that was the end of 228 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: that quote, But he says he noted that the vanishing 229 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: act of Ambrose Biers the author, was followed by the 230 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: vanishing of Ambrose Small some six years later. And then 231 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 1: Fort continued, quote, but what could the disappearance of one 232 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: Ambrose in Texas have to do with the disappearance of 233 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: another Ambrose in Canada. There was, in these questions an 234 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: appearance of childishness that attracted my respectful attention end quote. 235 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: So okay, let's go over some of these names. Bell 236 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: Well Art Bell created Coast to Coast Am Parsons. If 237 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,959 Speaker 1: you don't know anything about Jack Parsons, I don't have 238 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: time to get into that right now. But he was 239 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: an American chemist and occultist, one of the primary founders 240 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,959 Speaker 1: of the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory, and he was into 241 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: some pretty wild metaphysical stuff, and he talks about Mason. 242 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: I think I think the point pleasant West Virginia is 243 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: in Mason County? Is that right? I think I saw 244 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: that or read about that at some point, and yeah, 245 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: it's the county seat of Mason County. But did you 246 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: notice the name Warren was in there? And so I 247 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: perhaps am a part of this thing called the name game. 248 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: And what I never heard of Ed and Lorraine Warren 249 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: until I think I was in high school and I 250 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: went to the school library and I found some obscure 251 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: book with a brief reference to this husband and wife 252 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: named Ed and Lorraine Warren who would go around investigating 253 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: ghosts and ghosts and demons and such. And I mean 254 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 1: it was it made almost no impact on me. I mean, 255 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: I thought it was curious, but that, you know, that 256 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 1: was it. And then all these years later, the Warrens 257 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: became super famous after the Conjuring movie came out and 258 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: that whole series began because it was based upon their work. 259 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: And I actually ended up meeting Lorraine Warren at a 260 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 1: conference in Cargo one time. She was wonderful lady. And 261 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: I bring this up because people ask me from time 262 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: to time are you related to Ed and Lorraine. I've 263 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 1: even had some people since they became Ed Lorraine's name 264 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: became very famous, they say, hey, I think that Joshua 265 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: Warren just makes up the name Warren because he wants 266 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: to ride on their coattails. And I'm like, no, there's 267 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: no relation between me and Ed Lorraine Warren. But people 268 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: ask me about that. And when I met Lorraine Warren, 269 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: she told me that people would ask her if she 270 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: was related to me. So there's something odd about this thing, 271 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: the name game. And I think it ties right into 272 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 1: what we talk about with cymatics and parasigmatics, and how 273 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: that vibrations sounds are physical things that create physical behaviors 274 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: and physical outcomes and the real physical world, and that 275 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: people who share similar names to some degree have some 276 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: similar experiences. I could keep going on and on about this, 277 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: but I just wanted to bring this up because you know, 278 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: I'm connecting dots. It starts with the Halloween thing and 279 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: the hgu weld stuff and the orson Well stuff, and 280 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: now you know it ties into the story I read 281 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: about the reeves. Again, this is the kind of stuff 282 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: that probably insane people sit around babbling about in their 283 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: straight jacket in the corner of the padded room at 284 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 1: the asylum. But on the other hand, maybe if you 285 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: have enough data you can you actually can connect some 286 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: dots and find some patterns there that reveal something about 287 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 1: cause it effect in the universe. Another thing that I 288 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 1: thought was interesting as I started thinking about October thirty first, 289 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: is that October thirty first is the day that Harry Houdini, 290 00:21:55,160 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: the Great Magician, died. He was born in eighteen seventy five. 291 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: He died Halloween of nineteen twenty six, at the age 292 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: of fifty two. And if you didn't know, I mean, 293 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: his death was particularly weird. He died from what they 294 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: call paraitinitis, which is a swelling of the abdomen, and 295 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: say it possibly could be related to appendicitis. But he 296 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: had been in well, he was in his dressing room 297 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: in Canada, and apparently he was in a little bit 298 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: of a bad shape. He was a workaholic, but he 299 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: had recently broken his ankle and he was sort of 300 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 1: reclining on a couch and there were some young men 301 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 1: who got access to the backstage best I recall they 302 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: were college students, and one of them was, you know, 303 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 1: a very fit young man who was a boxer. And 304 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: that guy was named Jacques Price. And let's see and okay, 305 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: there were two guys, Jacques Price and Sam Smellovitz. So Price, look, uh, okay, Well, 306 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: basically what happened is one of these guys asked Houdini 307 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: quote if he believed in the miracles of the Bible 308 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: and whether it was true that punches in the stomach 309 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: did not hurt him. And Houdini offered a casual reply 310 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: that his stomach could endure a lot. And then this 311 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: guy just hauled off and delivered some quote, very hammer 312 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: like blows below the belt end quote. And since Houdini 313 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: was reclining on this couch because this broken ankle, he 314 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: was not prepared, he was wincing at each blow. Stopped 315 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: this guy suddenly in the midst of a punch, saying 316 00:23:55,800 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: like he had enough and he was not able to 317 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 1: brace him stuff. And everybody says that they think this 318 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: is what you know, ultimately hurt him and led to 319 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: his death. But you know, Houdini, they say he really 320 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: did want to believe in an afterlife and in spirituality, 321 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 1: but he was very highly offended by all of the 322 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: phony spiritualists in the day who were going around taking 323 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: advantage of people, defrauding them using cheap magic tricks to 324 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 1: pretend they were able to make contact with a loved one. 325 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: And so Houdini he wrote a message to his wife 326 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: at some point, and he told her to keep it 327 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: in a safe place, and he said, if I die 328 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 1: before you, I'm going to try to communicate this message 329 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: to you so that you'll know whether or not it's 330 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: true that people can contact you from the other side. 331 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: And since then seances have been held, or at least 332 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: they were for many years on October thirty first, and 333 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: some people say the message was never delivered, and some 334 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: people say it was. What's the truth. I'm going to 335 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: tell you when we come back. I'm Joshua P. Warren. 336 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 1: You're listening to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast 337 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network, and I'll be back 338 00:25:21,600 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: after these important messages. Welcome back to Strange Things on 339 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Parahinormal Podcast Network. 340 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Joshua P. Warren, And this is the 341 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: show where the unusual becomes usual. So what's the truth? 342 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: You know, I've heard people say that sure enough, Houdini 343 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 1: was able at some point to transmit this message back 344 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 1: to his wife, and then others say, no, no, no, 345 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 1: that never happened. That was actually a hoax, that was 346 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: a false news story, fake news back of the day. 347 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: So look, I don't know, how are you supposed to 348 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: know the truth about something like that. That's between him 349 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: and his wife. So what did I do? Here's what 350 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: I do in cases like this. I went to Grok 351 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: and I said, Groc, what is the real deal here 352 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 1: with whether or not who who died on Halloween? Who 353 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: has been targeted in seances for many years at Halloween. 354 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 1: What's the real deal with whether or not he was 355 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: able to communicate? Here is what Groc says. Groc says, Okay. Now, 356 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: Houdini's wife was named Bess, and Roc says, no, Bess 357 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: Houdini never received a genuine message from her husband, Harry 358 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 1: Houdini from the afterlife. The couple had agreed on a 359 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 1: secret code term and that was quote Roseabel believe end 360 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: quote Rooseabel believe, and this was derived from a Vaudeville 361 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 1: mind reading routine and inscribed on her wedding ring to 362 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: verify any posthumous communication, with the understanding that whoever died 363 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: first would attempt contact using it. After Houdini's death on 364 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: October thirty first, nineteen twenty six, Best held annual seances 365 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: for a decade, offering a ten thousand dollars reward for 366 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: anyone who could produce the authentic code from his spirit, 367 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: but no verified contact occurred. Now In January nineteen twenty nine, 368 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 1: a spiritualist medium named Arthur Ford held a seance at 369 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: Bess's home where he claimed to channel Houdini, reciting the 370 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: code quote roose beel answer Tell, pray answer look, tell, answer, 371 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: answer Tell. Bess, who was ill and recovering from injuries 372 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: at the time, initially declared it authentic, stating she was 373 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: quote absolutely convinced that it proved life after death, and 374 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: Ford had repeated the words that only she and Houdini knew. However, 375 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: the incident was later exposed as a hoax. Bess had 376 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: inadvertently disclosed elements of the code to reporters in nineteen 377 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: twenty eight, which Ford access through published accounts. Ford's methods 378 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: involved extensive research on obituaries and prior knowledge to fabricate messages, 379 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: a pattern confirmed and analysis of his work. By nineteen 380 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: thirty six, after the final public seance on the roof 381 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: of the Knickerbocker Hotel in La attended by Hollywood figures 382 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: in broadcast live, Bess admitted she had never received any 383 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: message from Houdini over the years, effectively retracting her endorsement 384 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: of Ford's claim and declaring the afterlife communication impossible. Seance 385 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: has continued without her involvement, led by magicians, but yielded 386 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,959 Speaker 1: no results, and Houdini's skepticism of spiritualism was ultimately vindicated 387 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: as no credible evidence of contact emerged. Okay, so that's 388 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: a kind of a a muddy scenario, isn't it, Because 389 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: it's sort of like, well, she said, yeah, I got 390 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: the message, but then later, oh, whoops, I accidentally had 391 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: told reporters what the message was. So this guy who 392 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: got the message must have known that I slipped up 393 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: and said something to reporters. So look, that's why it 394 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: was confusing. And I never knew exactly what to believe 395 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: about that. But if you've been curious. I guess that's 396 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: sort of the answer to that. And you know, it's 397 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: funny though, how we focus on life, but you know, 398 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: it's a limited thing. You know, you have a limited 399 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: number of heartbeats. And then there's always this interest and 400 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: fascination with the idea of the afterlife and what comes 401 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: next and how it places all this into context. I 402 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: was watching a rare interview recently with J. R. R. Tolkien. He, 403 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: of course, was the Englishman who wrote The Hobbit and 404 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings. And as I was watching this video, 405 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: he was talking about sort of what inspired him to 406 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: write these epic stories, and he said he was always 407 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: just thinking about death and how that death places life 408 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: into context. And at one point in this interview j R. R. 409 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: Tolkien he quoted another man that he admired, a writer. 410 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: And here's what Tolkien said. There is no such thing 411 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: as a natural death. Nothing that happens to man is 412 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: ever natural. Since his presence calls the whole world into question. 413 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: All men must die, but every man his death is 414 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: an accident, and even if he knows it and consents 415 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: to it, an unjust violation. So he said, that concept 416 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: is what underpins the Lord of the Rings in particular. 417 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: And that's kind of thought provoking, isn't it, Because I've 418 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: always thought it was weird to think of this concept 419 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: of like, oh, this substance is man made, you know, 420 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: like a human being just put his or her hands together, 421 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: manifested some glob of material out of thin air. Maybe 422 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: that happens some kind of ectoplasm like, but not generally. 423 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: But that's an interesting way of looking at it. Again. 424 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: He said, nothing that happens to man is ever natural, 425 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: since his presence calls the whole world into question. So 426 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: it's almost like the very fact that we are here 427 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: at all makes everything kind of seem unnatural because we 428 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: seem to be so out of place. I mean, you know, 429 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: scientists have said for the longest time that our closest 430 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: relative is a chimpanzee. But I mean, really, we went 431 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: from chimpanzee. I mean, like, it's okay, I you know, 432 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna argue with you. I'm just saying that 433 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: seems weird to me that we we we're talking right 434 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: now through the Internet, and we can fly helicopters, we 435 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: can get on a rocket ship and go to the moon, 436 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: and but monkeys I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Apes like chimps 437 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: are our closest relatives. Let me repeat that, it's an 438 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: interesting thing. Nothing that happens to man is ever natural, 439 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: since his presence calls the whole world into question. Hm, 440 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: that's pretty deep, isn't it? That the very fact that 441 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: we are here kind of throws this whole idea of 442 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: the natural world as we know it off somewhat. That's 443 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: why we're always searching, We're always exploring. Are we going 444 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: to have the alien show up at some point and 445 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: explain everything and save the day. I bought a new 446 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: device the other day, and I'm going to tell you 447 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,879 Speaker 1: about this, and some of you are going to find 448 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: this really interesting, and some of you are going to 449 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:36,879 Speaker 1: think this is boring. I mentioned on a recent podcast 450 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 1: that Bob Lazar, the famous Area fifty one whistleblower who 451 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: first sort of came out in the nineteen nineties. He's 452 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: a mysterious guy, all right. He has a website that 453 00:34:54,600 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: sells nuclear related products. It's called United Nuclear dot Com 454 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: Scientific Equipment and Supplies. And let me just say something 455 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 1: about Bob Blazar. I don't know what I think of 456 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 1: Bob Blazar. I guess about ten years ago, I was 457 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: a speaker at a big UFO conference in Arizona, and 458 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: he was also a speaker, And at one point Lauren 459 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: and I sat down and we watched Bob Blazar on 460 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:41,240 Speaker 1: stage being interviewed live by George Knapp, and Bob Blazar 461 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 1: told his whole story and he sounded so believable that 462 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,879 Speaker 1: it was just sort of I mean, it was mind 463 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,320 Speaker 1: boggling how genuine the guy sounded talking about his experiences 464 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: being hired at Area fifty one to back engineer essentially 465 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: extraterrestrial craft. In fact, that weekend was the Academy Awards, 466 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: and I said, like, if that guy is not telling 467 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 1: the truth, he deserves an oscar. But then, you know, 468 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,280 Speaker 1: years after that, this documentary came out about Bob Bazar. 469 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: I think it's just called Bob Blazar, and it's a 470 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:26,439 Speaker 1: good documentary by Jeremy Corbell. But it raised a lot 471 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 1: of questions in my mind, Like, for example, it is 472 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: my understanding that Bob Bazar supposedly has degrees from MIT 473 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 1: and cal Tech, which helped him get into the position 474 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: of being able to back engineer this stuff at Area 475 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: fifty one, but yet nobody has ever been able to 476 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:49,359 Speaker 1: prove any of that that you know, it's like they 477 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: haven't found any pictures, and there's no peers, no classmates, 478 00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: like they haven't found any Evidencesedly, this is my understanding. 479 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: This guy has these degrees. Now, how can you get 480 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 1: a degree from M I T and cal Tech without 481 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 1: being so proud that you're you're screaming it from the 482 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: rooftops and it's documented all over the place that you 483 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,240 Speaker 1: have your diploma. It just doesn't make sense the stories 484 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 1: that well, the government, you know, they went in and 485 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 1: erased all this somehow. It's like the men in black 486 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 1: came in and changed the timelines. Well, anyway, I got 487 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,800 Speaker 1: to take a break when we come back. I ordered 488 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: this new device from Bob Lazar's website just a few 489 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: days ago. It's really weird. I'm going to tell you 490 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 1: what happened. I'm Joshua P. Warren. You're listening to Strange 491 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 492 00:37:44,239 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 1: Podcast Network, and I will be right back. Welcome back 493 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 1: to the final segment of this edition of Strange Things 494 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 495 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 1: I am your host, Joshua P. Warren, And if you 496 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,479 Speaker 1: want to hear more of my thoughts about the Bob 497 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,279 Speaker 1: Blazar documentary that came out years ago and sort of 498 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: my questions about his background, I did a whole podcast 499 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:55,799 Speaker 1: about it. I reviewed the documentary. The podcast I used 500 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 1: to do is called Joshua P. Warren Daily, and I 501 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 1: still occasionally will post a special report there. So if 502 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 1: you just do a search for Joshua PE Warren Dally, 503 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 1: you can find that there's over five hundred of those podcasts. 504 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,760 Speaker 1: And I did one that was published on December twenty 505 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 1: sixth of twenty eighteen, and it was called Bob Lazar 506 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: Rated by the FBI my thoughts on the Area fifty 507 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 1: one whistleblower, So go back and listen to that if 508 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: you want to hear me kind of really dig into details. 509 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:32,359 Speaker 1: But years ago, I bought a Geiger counter from Bob 510 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 1: Lazar's website United Nuclear dot Com and I really liked 511 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: that Geiger count and I can't find it. I don't 512 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 1: know why i'd deal with it, So I went to 513 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 1: his website to see if I could find it again, 514 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,799 Speaker 1: and it's no longer listed. But he had something that 515 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,400 Speaker 1: I was immediately fascinated by. It's called an alpha radioscope 516 00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: optical Geiger counter. It's like, what, so it looks like 517 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,839 Speaker 1: one of these lenses that you would screw onto the 518 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 1: front of an old thirty five millimeter camera, you know, 519 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,840 Speaker 1: like back in the day you had a pentag I 520 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: guess you still do that. It just it just looks 521 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,920 Speaker 1: like a lens you'd screw onto a camera. And it 522 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 1: says this alpha radioscope contains no radioactive material. Instead, the 523 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 1: back end of the device is essentially open. Behind this 524 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 1: screen is an activated zinc sulfide window, especially prepared, and 525 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,319 Speaker 1: basically what it says is that this is sensitive to 526 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 1: alpha radiation and that you can take this thing and 527 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,760 Speaker 1: you can put it up against something that's producing alpha 528 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 1: radiation and you can you can sort of see it. 529 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 1: You can see a little sparkle. It'll be visible to 530 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: your naked eye as flashes of light scintillations. The more 531 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,240 Speaker 1: radioactive the sample is, the more scintillations will be visible. 532 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,799 Speaker 1: This is crazy. I'd never heard of such a thing. 533 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,880 Speaker 1: And so now just to give you a quick rundown, 534 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 1: you know, there are obviously there's different types of radiation. 535 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,240 Speaker 1: The main ones that people talk about are alpha, beta, 536 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 1: and gamma. And here here's like a quick rundown. Alpha 537 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:40,120 Speaker 1: type radiation has poor penetration power. They can cause little 538 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 1: harm from the outside. They can be blocked by a 539 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 1: lot of thin things like a layer of dead skin 540 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,560 Speaker 1: and humans, a thick sheet of paper, a layer of clothes. 541 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 1: So you don't really have to be too worried about alpha. 542 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 1: You just don't want to ingest it. You know, you 543 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 1: don't want to swallow it or breathe it in, and 544 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,400 Speaker 1: so you know, the chances of you having problems with 545 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,920 Speaker 1: that are pretty low. Next, we have beta particles. Now, 546 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:13,600 Speaker 1: these are smaller particles of radiation, but they have more 547 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,480 Speaker 1: penetrative power, and so if you get into contact with them, 548 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 1: they can burn your skin similar to a severe sunburn. 549 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 1: But the worst is gamma rays. They have the highest 550 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:29,800 Speaker 1: penetration power. A living organism like a human being exposed 551 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 1: to gamma rays faces a high risk of having bone, 552 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,640 Speaker 1: marrow and internal organs damage. They can pass through the 553 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:42,040 Speaker 1: human body, damaging tissue DNA. I mean scientists consider that 554 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,799 Speaker 1: to be the most dangerous form of radiation. And when 555 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 1: you take out a Geiger counter and it goes pop 556 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:55,640 Speaker 1: pop pop pop pop, like popcorn popping. It's measuring these 557 00:42:55,719 --> 00:43:00,719 Speaker 1: little particles of energy that could be alpha, beta or 558 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 1: gamma or I guess X rays. Look, I don't want 559 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,719 Speaker 1: to get to technical on you, but that's measured what's 560 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,320 Speaker 1: called CPM or counts per minute, and that's a measure 561 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:15,600 Speaker 1: of the times a radiation detector registers what they call 562 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,560 Speaker 1: an ionization event in one minute, a little pop pop pop, 563 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,160 Speaker 1: It's like those little particles. I'm looking. I'm not a 564 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 1: nuclear physicist, so I was like, that's cool because I have, 565 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:30,200 Speaker 1: for example, I have a lot of radioactive things. But 566 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:35,200 Speaker 1: one thing that I have is a piece of Fiestaware. 567 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:41,399 Speaker 1: Do you know what Fiestaware is. It's a line of 568 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 1: this brightly colored Art Deco styled ceramic dinnerware, one hundred 569 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:52,400 Speaker 1: percent American made production, first introduced in nineteen thirty six, 570 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,319 Speaker 1: and the line was discontinued for a while but came 571 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:01,600 Speaker 1: back in the eighties. And you see this a lot 572 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 1: in the American Southwest. It's famous for these vibrant colors 573 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 1: and some of this fiesta were and I have a 574 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,719 Speaker 1: little fiesta. Weare ceramic dish with me right now? It's 575 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:16,120 Speaker 1: orange reddish color. Some of this stuff is actually radioactive. 576 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,880 Speaker 1: Believe it or not. It says your fiesta ware is 577 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 1: radioactive because it's glazes, particularly the iconic orange orangish red color, 578 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:35,240 Speaker 1: contain uranium oxide to achieve its vibrant hue. This practice 579 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,520 Speaker 1: common in the early twentieth century. Ceramics made some fiestaware 580 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:43,080 Speaker 1: pieces radioactive, though it was discontinued during World War II 581 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,520 Speaker 1: and again in the late twentieth century for safety and 582 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:51,080 Speaker 1: regulatory reasons. Modern fiestaware is not radioactive. Okay. So I 583 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 1: got this little dish sitting next to me that you 584 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,600 Speaker 1: could easily, you know, you could have your little cup 585 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,320 Speaker 1: of tea or coffee on it and have no idea 586 00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,960 Speaker 1: this thing is radioactive. And I have a Geiger counter 587 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,919 Speaker 1: in my hand, and I don't know if you're gonna 588 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,160 Speaker 1: be able to hear this. I'm going to turn this 589 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:09,120 Speaker 1: guy your counter on and then so like right now, 590 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:13,200 Speaker 1: I'm holding it kind of close to the microphone, and 591 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,120 Speaker 1: you might hear a little pop once in a while, 592 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,839 Speaker 1: and if so, that's just background radiation that's coming in 593 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,240 Speaker 1: from the cosmos. Just a little pop once in a while. 594 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,600 Speaker 1: That happens all the time. But now listen to what 595 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,279 Speaker 1: happens when I bring it close to this Fiesta wear plate. 596 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:41,560 Speaker 1: Are you ready right now? It's about six inches away. 597 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:52,799 Speaker 1: Now it's going nuts. Okay, so this is this is 598 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:59,520 Speaker 1: very radioactive. Yeah, this is the fun stuff. I play 599 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,440 Speaker 1: with it my house. So I was like, Okay, I 600 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:09,880 Speaker 1: am going to buy this alpha radioscope from Bob Bazaar 601 00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,440 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna I want to see what this looks like. 602 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,879 Speaker 1: I want to see these little particles of radioactivity, these 603 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:20,160 Speaker 1: quanta of these, you know, popping, see these sparkles of light. 604 00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:28,160 Speaker 1: So I ordered it, and uh, but I was kind 605 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,200 Speaker 1: of surprised. I opened it up. It looks cool, well made. 606 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:35,440 Speaker 1: It was. It wasn't that much. It was thirty nine dollars. 607 00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,400 Speaker 1: It says your radioscope will allow you to view alpha 608 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:44,880 Speaker 1: radiation from any radioactive sample. Although you may want to 609 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,560 Speaker 1: use it right away, if you peek into it right now, 610 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,680 Speaker 1: you'll see nothing at all. There's nothing wrong with it. 611 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,920 Speaker 1: It's just it's just that your eyes must be adapted 612 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,600 Speaker 1: to the dark. First. The retina and the human eye 613 00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,240 Speaker 1: is composed of rods and cones. The cones are sensitive 614 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,480 Speaker 1: to color and are responsible for your daylight vision and 615 00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:10,400 Speaker 1: total darkness. However, the cones become ineffective and the rods 616 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,239 Speaker 1: take over. And when the rods begin to activate, they 617 00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,960 Speaker 1: make your eyes over a thousand times more sensitive to 618 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,680 Speaker 1: light than they were in daylight. And they say, unfortunately, 619 00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,000 Speaker 1: the changeover from cones to rods is fairly slow. Takes 620 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:29,080 Speaker 1: at least ten to fifteen minutes in total darkness just 621 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,319 Speaker 1: to begin to see the small flashes of light in 622 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:37,000 Speaker 1: the radioscope. Okay, So I was like, all right, So 623 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:42,160 Speaker 1: I got to sit in total darkness for you know, 624 00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:46,800 Speaker 1: fifteen twenty maybe up to thirty minutes. And I was thinking, 625 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever done that in my 626 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,640 Speaker 1: entire life. This is going to be incredibly boring, but 627 00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,439 Speaker 1: I did it. I sat in a closet, all sealed off, 628 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,560 Speaker 1: in total blackness, total darkness, for twenty minutes, and I 629 00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:04,640 Speaker 1: held this up to my Fiestaware and I saw nothing. 630 00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,920 Speaker 1: It was. It was very, very boring, and so I 631 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,279 Speaker 1: asked them, I said, well, what you know, what's what's 632 00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,399 Speaker 1: what happened here? What's the problem? And I got an 633 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:23,080 Speaker 1: email back, and the email says that Fiestaware is not 634 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,440 Speaker 1: a very good source for this, and I, uh, I 635 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,239 Speaker 1: can't find the email right now, and I'm running out 636 00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,239 Speaker 1: of timele here he goes, Yeah, Fiestaware is not a 637 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,920 Speaker 1: good source of alpha radiation. You need a smoke detector 638 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,279 Speaker 1: source PO two ten urin night blah blah. So all right, 639 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,400 Speaker 1: I guess I'm gonna try this again with another piece 640 00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,960 Speaker 1: of radioactive material. But I hope I didn't melt my 641 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,920 Speaker 1: face off by staring at this Fiestaware plate too long. Uh, 642 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,239 Speaker 1: the clock has gone is here? It is the good 643 00:48:55,400 --> 00:49:21,600 Speaker 1: Fortune tone. That's it for this edition of the show. 644 00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:26,719 Speaker 1: Follow me at Joshua P. Warren Plus, visit Joshuapwarren dot 645 00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,840 Speaker 1: com to sign up for my free e newsletter to 646 00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,719 Speaker 1: receive a free instant gift, and check out the cool 647 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:38,280 Speaker 1: stuff in the Curiosity Shop. All at Joshuapwarren dot com. 648 00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,040 Speaker 1: I have a fun one lined up for you next time, 649 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,120 Speaker 1: I promise. So please tell all your friends to subscribe 650 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:49,439 Speaker 1: to this show and to always remember the Golden rule. 651 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:54,320 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening, Thank you for your interest and support, 652 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:58,239 Speaker 1: Thank you for staying curious, and I will talk to 653 00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:03,880 Speaker 1: you again soon. You've been listening to strange things on 654 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:09,480 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 655 00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,879 Speaker 2: Well, if you like this episode of Strange Things, wait 656 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,760 Speaker 2: till you hear the next one. Thank you for listening 657 00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:35,800 Speaker 2: to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.