1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: Can't f I am six forty. 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,279 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John Cobelt podcast on the iHeartRadio 3 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 2: app Lou Penrose. 4 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 3: If John Covelt on the John Covelt Show, John Cobelt 5 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 3: will be back with us on Tuesday. 6 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: Will be getting ready for a fantastic Labor Day weekend. 7 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 3: The Chief of Police of Minnesota, Chief O'Hara, has had 8 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 3: a tough week for sure. Impressive clearly with respect to 9 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 3: handling what has been a really difficult story to report. 10 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 3: In every press conference, he's been crisp and concise in 11 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 3: disseminating information and answering questions as best he can. 12 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:39,959 Speaker 1: The one thing that stood out to me. 13 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 3: He talked about what we learned about the shooter, and 14 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 3: what came out, among other oddities, is the shooter's fixation 15 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 3: with other school shooters, and it was it's clear to 16 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 3: the Chief of police that he wants the kind of 17 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 3: notoriety that he believes these other school shooters have enjoyed. Therefore, 18 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 3: he doesn't want the school shooter to get what he 19 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 3: sought out to gain, and that is notoriety. Dark ominous notoriety, 20 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 3: but nevertheless notoriety. 21 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 1: So at a press conference, one of the. 22 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,559 Speaker 3: Many press conferences that assued the horrible shooting. The other day, 23 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 3: he specifically asked the media to not use the shooter's name. 24 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: Here it is the White House official texta me in 25 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: this morning towards you. 26 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 4: Here it is we know, ultimately the purpose of the 27 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 4: shooter's actions was to obtain notoriety for the shooter themselves. 28 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 4: That being said, I have only said the name of 29 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 4: this shooter once, and I'm asking members of the media 30 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 4: to stop saying the shooter's name. That was the whole 31 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 4: purpose of why he did this heinous act to obtain 32 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 4: that notoriety for themselves. 33 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 3: And I've been thinking about that a lot, because we've 34 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 3: been talking about it all week. 35 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: His name isn't just a run of the mill name. 36 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 3: There was a change and a name change as a 37 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 3: minor that was petitioned by his parent. 38 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: So that's kind of a part of the story. 39 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 3: It helps give insight into all of our curiosity as 40 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 3: to what motivated this. 41 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 5: Horrible, horrible, horrible act. 42 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: And I've not Deborah Marcus here. I don't recalled the 43 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: last time. 44 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 3: A law enforcement official spoke directly to the media about 45 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 3: how it was reporting the story. And I'm just I've 46 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 3: been thinking about the pros and cons of what he's 47 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 3: asking for. 48 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I. 49 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 6: Gosh, I can't think of another example recently either. I 50 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 6: think as members of the media, we have the right 51 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 6: to report the name. 52 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: Now. 53 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 6: I don't say it often. I've said it a few times. 54 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 6: I don't feel that it's necessary for me to constantly 55 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 6: say the shooter's name. However, I don't want somebody telling 56 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 6: me that I can't. I don't want somebody saying, please 57 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 6: don't do that. I think it's it's up to the 58 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:12,679 Speaker 6: individual news departments. I do understand why people don't want 59 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 6: to say the name. This guy's dead, so he's not 60 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 6: going to see if he has any notoriety, and right, he's. 61 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:19,839 Speaker 1: Not exactly what I thought. 62 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 3: I thought, Wait a minute, he's not like smiling because 63 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 3: he's getting notreias dead, So he would have never known 64 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 3: if his wishes were granted or if his dream came true. 65 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 3: So we could have not said the name and he 66 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 3: would not have known either way. 67 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 6: So well, some people also say that they're concerned about copycats. 68 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 6: So when you hear people constantly saying the name of 69 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 6: a shooter, right, that person is in the spotlight, and 70 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 6: so it could possibly motivate others to do this because 71 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 6: they're hoping that it will get their name out. Whether 72 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 6: they're alive or dead, I don't know. But again, I 73 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 6: guess the bottom line for me as a journalist is 74 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 6: I have said it. I think it's important to say 75 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 6: the name. I don't think it's important to constantly say 76 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 6: the name. 77 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 3: Right, of course, And he even said that, he said, 78 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 3: I said, at once, they we found the identity, and 79 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 3: we released the identity, and thereafter it's the shooter when. 80 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: Describing the story. 81 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 3: So I mean, I truly appreciate where the chief of 82 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 3: police is coming from, but I'm reminded that there are 83 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 3: other countries where a suspects name is not released until 84 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 3: after trial. So as a as a as a reporter, 85 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 3: a journalist, someone that's seeking to get information, we're not 86 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 3: allowed to. 87 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: Know even the name of a suspect. 88 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 3: And that is where this goes when we start having 89 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 3: law enforcement limit what journalists can and can't know, what 90 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 3: the public can and can't. 91 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 6: Know, because where what's the next step? 92 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 5: Then? 93 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't want that, right and I don't 94 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: like being held hostage by a criminal. 95 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 3: Right This idea that well, if you say, the name 96 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 3: that gives him some lift. 97 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: And so the next guy that wants to get Notori. 98 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 3: By committing a heinous act, you're giving that person, you know, 99 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 3: an opportunity. 100 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: I don't. 101 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 3: We ought to be able to talk about what happened 102 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 3: and all the angles to what happened, including the name 103 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 3: change and the name and everything else we talk about 104 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 3: without worrying that, Hey, lou, if you talk about this 105 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 3: too much, you're making it exciting for some other nuts 106 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 3: somewhere that might do the same thing. I'm not going 107 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 3: to be limited in public discussion because I might incite 108 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 3: some other acts. So the copycat thing, I appreciate it. 109 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 3: Trust me, my kids go to Catholic school. I've got 110 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 3: NonStop techts about increased security that's going on in and 111 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 3: around all schools, not just Catholic school, but specifically Catholic 112 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 3: school because of the FBI hate crime elevation. 113 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: So I understand the considered about copycat crimes. But what 114 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 1: are we supposed to do? I mean, we have to 115 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: talk about it. 116 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 3: From many of us, It's the way we handle, you know, 117 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 3: dealing with a story like this. 118 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 5: Well. 119 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 6: Also, I feel that people that are going to commit 120 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 6: such heinous acts. I think they're going to do it anyway, 121 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 6: whether we say the name or we don't. I think 122 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 6: that there are those people out there that are they 123 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 6: they want to create this chaos, or they there's mental illness, 124 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 6: and by eliminating the name or not, I think they're. 125 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: Still going to do it. Right. I don't remember the 126 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 1: person that shut up Sandy Hook. 127 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 3: I don't remember the name of the person in Uvalde, 128 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 3: I little thing Colorado. 129 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: I can barely remember the name only. 130 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 3: But he knew all the names, he had it all 131 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 3: written down. 132 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: He was obsessed. He was obsessed with it. 133 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 3: So I don't think that that's because it was constantly 134 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 3: played in the Minneapolis television station, you know, when all 135 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 3: those school shootings took place. 136 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 6: But I do hear people tell me all the time, 137 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 6: why do you guys, why do you need to say 138 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 6: the name? 139 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: Why do you do that? 140 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 6: Doesn't that give motivation for people to do these things? 141 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 6: And I mean so, I know that that is a 142 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 6: common thought out there, But I think us in the media, 143 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 6: we feel that we should be able to say the name, 144 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 6: give as much information as possible, because that's our job. 145 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 6: But again, I do stand with what I said earlier 146 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 6: that I don't feel it's necessary for me to constantly 147 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 6: say the name. And lots of stories that I do, 148 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 6: local stories, not as heinous as this. Sometimes I don't 149 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 6: even say the name because it's not important. It's I 150 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 6: wouldn't say minor, but it's nothing major, like the Minneapolis shooting. 151 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 3: Well, look, he had a name. His name was Robert 152 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 3: than Robin, kind of a more common name than mine, 153 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 3: which is Luigi. And as you recall, Luigi was a 154 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 3: pretty good name for a while, you know, a video 155 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 3: game character. Then all of a sudden, some kid named 156 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 3: Luigi shot the guy from US Health, and I have 157 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 3: to live with that now. So it's a much more 158 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 3: recognizable and rememberable name Luigi. 159 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: So I went back to lou Yeah. 160 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 6: I understand that for sure, But again I just I 161 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 6: don't think we want to be told. I understand, I 162 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 6: understand why public officials would say that, but how many 163 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 6: people are really going to abide by that in the media. 164 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: I appreciate the insight. Deborah Mark from the KFI newsroom. 165 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 3: All right, when we come back, we do have more information, 166 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 3: including where he worked and what his mother is up 167 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 3: to with respect to lawyering up we'll share with that 168 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 3: we'll share all of that with you. Lou Penrose, your 169 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 3: old buddy Luigi, And for John Cobelt on KFI AM 170 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 3: six forty. 171 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 7: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 172 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 7: six forty. 173 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: Lou Penrose sitting in for John Cobalt this week. John. 174 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: We'll be back with you on Tuesday. The chief of 175 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: police has asked the media to stop saying the name 176 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: of the shooter. 177 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 3: He said, I only said it once for the purposes 178 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 3: of identifying the name, and I don't think it helps 179 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 3: that you and the media continue to say the name, 180 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 3: since that is exactly what the shooter wanted, notoriety, and 181 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 3: there's new information that comes out all the time that 182 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 3: would be impossible to share or talk about without the 183 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 3: name because the mother is a factor, and we are 184 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 3: learning more about the mother now he and where he 185 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 3: works or worked as a factor, and we're learning more 186 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 3: about that. So it's they're pros and cons and this 187 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 3: is what we have to wrestle with. I would always 188 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 3: err on the side of more information, not less. 189 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: And I'm not really a journalist. I mean, I. 190 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 3: Hang out with journalists in the newsroom here, but I'm 191 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 3: an opinion guy, But I understand. I would rather the 192 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 3: public have access to the information and then we deal 193 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 3: with it than the information in the hands of officials. 194 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 3: But you know, us being denied it for fear that 195 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 3: we might talk about it too much and spark some copycats. 196 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 8: If you don't want copycats, if you want to stop 197 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 8: to stop making it a news headline for days and days, 198 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 8: report once, stop reporting it. 199 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I I'm not sure I believe that. 200 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 3: I don't agree with that, and I'm not even sure 201 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 3: I believe that it causes copy I know every time 202 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 3: there's a wildfire, there's another wildfire because somebody gets excited 203 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 3: that's a an arsonists and go lights of fire to 204 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 3: watch it on TV. 205 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: Like I can't do anything about that. 206 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 3: So what are we gonna do, Not talk about the 207 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 3: fact that there's a fire because somebody might get excited, 208 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 3: Like there's nothing I can do about that. Somebody that 209 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 3: is that insane that would want to copy this event 210 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 3: is insane anyway. But you and I talking about what 211 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 3: happened does a lot. Number One in Uvaldi, we learned 212 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 3: a lot about security and response time. There's all kinds 213 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 3: of new discussions now about having more and more armed 214 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 3: presence on campuses and in church. I know one guy 215 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 3: who is in the he's a a firearms trainer, and 216 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 3: he said, look, we need to armor up in society. 217 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 3: There's just a lot of maniacs out there, and whether 218 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 3: you make laws stronger or more lenient, they always seem 219 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 3: to get firearms. 220 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: So we need to be aware of that and be safer. 221 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 3: I don't love the sound of that, but that's that's 222 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 3: that point of view that we that that this school, 223 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 3: that the schools should have had armed security, that this 224 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 3: church should have had armed security, That there's a lot 225 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 3: of that these are targets, and uh, there's a trend. 226 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 3: So there's that point of view. And then of course 227 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 3: the tales of heroism helped save the pain, and knowing 228 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 3: the stories of these children, I think is a little 229 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 3: bit therapeutic. So and it's a national discussion. I mean, 230 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 3: people are going to talk about it whether we stop 231 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 3: talking about it or not here on the radio, so 232 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 3: we might as well engage in the discussion. So I 233 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 3: and I refuse to be held hostage as a society 234 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 3: that talks. You know, one of the good things about 235 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 3: the United States, from Maine to San Diego from Portland 236 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 3: to Palm Beach. We all speak English, were not like Europe, 237 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 3: and so we can have we can have national conversations 238 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 3: at all times. 239 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: In every single airport in the United States, we all 240 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: speak the same language. 241 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 3: So when there's an issue going on, a story going 242 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 3: on that moves all of us at the same time, 243 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 3: we can have collective national discussions in the same language. 244 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: So let's take advantage of that opportunity. 245 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 5: I don't think that even giving his name is going 246 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 5: to make any difference one way or another. It's still 247 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 5: going to be referred to this particular shooting when they 248 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 5: talk about the church to town, whatever that is. The 249 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 5: shooter is really I'm just trying to get better than 250 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 5: that shooter. 251 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 1: So it's just my feeling. I appreciate the call. 252 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 3: We know more about the mother now, and she has 253 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 3: retained an attorney, a criminal defense attorney. 254 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 9: Fox News has learned that the shooter's mother, Mary Grace Westman, 255 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 9: has retained a criminal defense attorney, who tells Fox News 256 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 9: Digital she is very distraught about the situation and has 257 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 9: no culpability. It comes as investigators say they were able 258 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 9: to execute four search warrants Wednesday and retrieved hundreds of 259 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 9: pieces of evidence from the shooter, including a manifesto time 260 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 9: released on YouTube that included disturbing writings with multiple anti 261 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 9: Catholic and anti religious references. FBI director Cash Battel also 262 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:41,119 Speaker 9: saying the shooter expressed hatred towards Jewish people. In Minneapolis, 263 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 9: police chief says Westman is not cooperating with investigators. 264 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 3: So the fact that we've not had a statement from 265 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 3: the mother tells me that the mother is worried about 266 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 3: being in trouble. 267 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: That's what that tells me. 268 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 3: And I am not done being perturbed with the mother. 269 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 3: I'm not done being perturbed with that entire family. I 270 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 3: understand there's siblings. I'd not heard from them. He references 271 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 3: siblings in his writings, and. 272 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on in that family. I 273 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 1: don't know what's going on in that house. But I'll 274 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: tell you right now, I don't like it. Now. I'm 275 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: kind of with Gary and Shannon on this. 276 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 3: Shannon really made the point, and that is when there 277 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 3: is criminal activity a murder, and there's a murder mystery, 278 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 3: and there's motive, and if the motive is greed or 279 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 3: possessions or lust or crimes of passion, like all the 280 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 3: movies right that we're trying to find out why somebody 281 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 3: got killed. 282 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: That's a very different curiosity for me than. 283 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 3: The ramblings of a maniac Like I don't I'm not 284 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 3: interested in learning more about the motive. I wasn't interested 285 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 3: in learning about the motive from the get go. I 286 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 3: get it as part of a criminal investigation, you want 287 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 3: to go through the diaries and the right and the 288 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 3: manifestos and the YouTube videos. I understand that from a 289 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 3: law enforcement and a forensic investigation point of view, you 290 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 3: have to do that. 291 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: But for me, who cares why he did it? He's 292 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: a nut, He's a crazy people. He's a crazy person. 293 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 3: And I cannot believe he was keeping it together most 294 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 3: of the day, which means that people had to know 295 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 3: he was crazy, like his immediate family, you know, like 296 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 3: his mother. And it's pretty hard to hide crazy and 297 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 3: anti Semitic, anti Catholic views and guns and ammunition. It 298 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 3: can be done, but it's not easy to do, especially 299 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 3: if you're not like hold out somewhere in a cabin 300 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 3: up in Big Bear. It looks like he was in 301 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 3: someone's home from the video. It looks like a regular 302 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 3: bedroom and it looks like a regular closet, and he 303 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 3: was out purchasing specific attire for the day, and he 304 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 3: had all kinds of weapons and magazines. And I know 305 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 3: he had a car, which means he had car insurance. 306 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: So this is a lot it takes. 307 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 3: And if he was living on his own, he would 308 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 3: have to put a roof over his head and have 309 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 3: you know, three square meals a day. So I want 310 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 3: to know where the money comes from. Where's the cash. 311 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 3: Somebody's bankrolling this unless he's doing it himself. And if 312 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 3: he's doing it himself, he's able to keep together the 313 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 3: maniacal talk that we heard on the video. 314 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: And worked for an eight hour shift. So something's wrong, 315 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: something is missing. 316 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 3: And then when we have not heard from the mother 317 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 3: at all or any of the siblings, and the mother 318 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 3: now retains a criminal defense attorney and she's quiet, I'm 319 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 3: beginning to suspect that they knew. 320 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 1: They hoped it wouldn't get out of hand, but they knew. 321 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 3: And you do have a responsibility for what's going on 322 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 3: under your roof if criminal activity is going on there. Also, 323 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 3: we now learned that he did have a job. We 324 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 3: don't know how long he worked. But he did have 325 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 3: a job. Guess where he worked at the four to 326 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 3: twenty shop. 327 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 9: We don't know for sure that west Bend was an 328 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 9: avid weed user, but we do know they worked at 329 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 9: the dispensary. 330 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 1: Manifesto. He said he vaped a lot. 331 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 3: He believed he did it so much that he would 332 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 3: get cancer from it. 333 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: All right, So there you go, worked at the dispensary. Okay, wonderful. 334 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 3: So now we got a stoned, armed maniac with guns 335 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,120 Speaker 3: who hates children, Jewish people, black people, Catholic people, hates 336 00:17:55,160 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 3: everybody and wants to kill everybody, and he's high with weapons. 337 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 3: Lovely Lou Penrose in for John Cobalt on KFI AM 338 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 3: six forty. 339 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 7: You're listening to John cobelts on demand from KFI AM 340 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 7: six forty. 341 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 3: It's the John Coblt Show. Lou Penrose sitting in for 342 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 3: John Coblt this week. John, we'll be back with you 343 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 3: on Tuesday. I hope you're gonna have a fantastic holiday 344 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 3: weekend Labor Day. On Monday, everybody's on the roads getting 345 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 3: out of town and headed out to either the desert 346 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 3: or San Diego or points north. People still going to Vegas. 347 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 3: We are learning more now about the shooter. And this 348 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 3: comes after the chief of police in Minneapolis encourage media 349 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 3: to not repeat the name of the shooter so as 350 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:52,959 Speaker 3: to deny the shooter. What the shooter wanted. After investigation 351 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 3: into his manifesto, which is notoriety and that is interesting 352 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 3: and we're talking about. 353 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 10: It, officials say to suspect had a fixation on violent 354 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 10: school shooters and had a deep obsession with wanting to 355 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 10: kill young innocent children. The twenty three year old shooter 356 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 10: was a former student whose mother once worked at the church. 357 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 10: The shooter was born a male, but filed for a 358 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 10: name change at just seventeen years old with parental approval. 359 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: So I wanted you to hear that report. 360 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 3: That is a Fox Radio news reporter who is and 361 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 3: as far as I am aware, there have been no 362 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 3: directives in any major news organization, certainly none here to 363 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 3: obey that directive. 364 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: But it does work. 365 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 3: You hear her specifically not referring to the name, and 366 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 3: when referencing the mother, not even referencing her name, because 367 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 3: the story is that the mother worked at. 368 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: The school and he attended the school. 369 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 3: That helps us understand all that's going on here without 370 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 3: using the mother's name, which would be his last name, 371 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 3: and that the individual was fixated on previous shooters with 372 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 3: a specific, horrible and ghoulish focus on hurting children. But 373 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 3: you hear there is an example of how the reporting 374 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 3: would go based on the wishes of the chief of police. 375 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 10: Officials say that shooter left multiple anti religious references in 376 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 10: his manifesto and written on firearms that manifesto expressing a 377 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 10: deep hatred toward almost all groups and people, including African Americans, 378 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 10: President Trump, and Jewish people. 379 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that does work. I mean that report is 380 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 1: an update. We know more now. 381 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 3: It doesn't really help, but we're curious about it. And 382 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 3: the name was never used, so it is possible. 383 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 1: Again. 384 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 3: I kind of agree with Debora Mark, that's fine, we 385 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 3: can limit it, but I don't want to be told 386 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 3: to limit it. I want to have that be a 387 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 3: case by case judgment. 388 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 11: Call heylu regarding this tragedy that happened and the predictable 389 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 11: Democrat getting on a microphone an hour later and blaming 390 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 11: the gun, Miss Amy Klobsar, Have we determined what gun 391 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,239 Speaker 11: to blame? Was it the shotgun, the rifle or the 392 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 11: pistol that we can lay this blame on for this 393 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 11: tragic situation with these kids being killed. 394 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: See if he's gonna stew which gun to blame? Thank you, Yeah, 395 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: I appreciate the call. 396 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 3: I think that is far more of an egregious act 397 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 3: by lawmakers politicizing the tragic event. 398 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 1: Right, he mentioned Senator Klobachar. 399 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 3: There are Democrats who really wish to strengthen gun laws 400 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 3: federally that have nothing to do with the weapons used 401 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 3: in this horrible crime. In this specific crime, a rifle 402 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 3: was used, a shotgun was used, and the pistol was used. 403 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 3: So it's ridiculous to blame gun here. Which one do 404 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 3: you want to limit? Which one do you want to outlaw? 405 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 3: What do you want to outlaw all rifles? Okay, well, 406 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 3: you had a shotgun and a pistol. You want to 407 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 3: outlaw the shotgun people hunt in Minnesota? 408 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: You want to outlaw all handguns? He had a rifle 409 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: and a shotgun. 410 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 3: It speaks to the foolishness of blaming the weapon as 411 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 3: the reason. 412 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: But people on the Democrat side just insist on doing it. 413 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 3: Well, I don't even know if it's Democrats, it's democrats 414 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:37,479 Speaker 3: and anti Second Amendment people. And it was moments after 415 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 3: the reports came out that you had elected Democrats on 416 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 3: social media talking about gun laws, and I think that's horrible. 417 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: That's absolutely horrible. 418 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 3: Even if you want to have a discussion about gun laws, 419 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 3: have it when no horrible events have happened, right, play fair. 420 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 3: Everybody feels bad when children are shot and killed. 421 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: That isn't the right time. 422 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 3: To start bringing up political agenda and policy ideas with 423 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 3: respect to the Second Amendment. So I find that frankly unbecoming. 424 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 3: And if you're a Democrat with a good idea, and 425 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 3: if you have some idea of a piece of legislation 426 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 3: that could have limited what happened here in Minneapolis, or 427 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 3: limit what would happen what could happen in any of 428 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 3: the shootings that have taken place in the past. If 429 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 3: you got a good idea, you're like, I don't know, 430 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 3: you guys all miss it. All we have to do 431 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 3: is this, and this wouldn't have happened. Even if you're 432 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 3: that person with that good idea, you lost me by 433 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 3: trying to interject your good idea right when people are 434 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 3: still bleeding, so very very bad taste. 435 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: Uh and uh all for or not? 436 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 8: I think it is not necessary for us to hear 437 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 8: what happened across the nation at another state before. Every 438 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 8: state should report on their own problems. Period. 439 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 5: I don't have to know what's happening in New York 440 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 5: or Florida or Arizona, no need. 441 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: I appreciate the call. 442 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 3: So no interstate reporting, only things that go on here 443 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 3: in California. 444 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the solution. 445 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,719 Speaker 3: I mean, how will I know if the Cowboys are 446 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 3: trading Michael Parsons to Green Bay? 447 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: Like if we only report what. 448 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 3: Happens within the state of California, what if the Dodgers 449 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 3: are on a road trip. I mean, I don't think 450 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 3: you thought that went through. But I appreciate the call, 451 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 3: all right, when we come back. So, Governor Newsom, as 452 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 3: you heard yesterday, has beat up his crime fighting bona 453 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 3: fides by establishing a Sea HP led crime suppression team 454 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 3: that he's dispatching to Los Angeles, but also San Diego, 455 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 3: the Border Division, the Inland Empire, Sacramento, the Bay Area, 456 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 3: San Francisco, and around San Francisco, San Berdandino, Bakersfield, I 457 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 3: mean pretty much everywhere. So it's a statewide effort to 458 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 3: fight crime. He's facing a lot of criticism because people 459 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 3: think that he's just mirror mirror, like mirroring every single 460 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 3: thing that President Trump does. And he actually used the 461 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 3: word mirror. He said, we need to hold a mirror 462 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 3: to this administration in its foolishness. But it seems like 463 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 3: he's doing everything Trump is doing. 464 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 2: Now. 465 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 3: Trump is getting high marks for his work in law enforcement. 466 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 3: There's a new poll out at CNN that shows that 467 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 3: this is now Trump's strongest issue. Illegal immigration and immigration 468 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 3: enforcement was his strongest issue coming out of January. 469 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: That was the thing he was going to do, and 470 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: everybody gave him high marks. That's now dipped. 471 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 3: People are not as excited with his handling of immigration 472 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 3: enforcement as they are his handling of Americans committing crimes, 473 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 3: and that he is off the charts in the polling 474 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 3: and that's what's keeping his overall approval ratings up. So 475 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 3: Americans are flattening out on some of the other issues, 476 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 3: Inflation and his handling of the war between Russia and 477 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 3: Ukraine and tariffs, all that stuff kind of flattening out, 478 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 3: going down a little bit. 479 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 1: Everyone's not so excited about it. But there are three 480 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 1: I mean, they're doing. 481 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 3: Cartwheels over his handling of law enforcement, and that's only 482 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 3: happening in DC because that's the only place where he 483 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 3: can have a say over local law on enforcement. So 484 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 3: that's the reason Trump is talking about it. And I'll share 485 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 3: with you the polling them that's coming up next. Lou 486 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 3: Penrose if of John Cobelt on KFI AM six forty 487 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,360 Speaker 3: live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 488 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 7: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM sixty. 489 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 3: Lou Penrose in for John Cobelt on the John Cobelt Show. 490 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 3: Coming up following the News at three, we'll talk with 491 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 3: California State Senator Tony Strickland. He has reaction to Governor 492 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom's get tough on crime surge of crime suppression, 493 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 3: and the story of Newsom's decision to get tough on 494 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 3: crime in California has made it coast to coast. People 495 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 3: are talking about it in Washington, DC, including President Trump. 496 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 12: If the governors in competent. 497 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: I know Gavin very well, he said in confident with 498 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 1: a good land of bullshit, and he doesn't get the 499 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 1: job at President Trump. 500 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 13: Uh. 501 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 1: Letting the expeditives fly. 502 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 3: Uh. These two are just going back and forth, and 503 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 3: I find it fascinating because they they are both very 504 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 3: interesting political animals, very different political animals, but there's something 505 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 3: about them that is there's a there's a very is 506 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 3: a common underscore that they have. Here's Newsome admitting that 507 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 3: he has been trolling President Trump on social media. 508 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 13: Yes, we're putting a mirror up to the lunacy that 509 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 13: is Trump's tweets in his grift. 510 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: So he's putting a mirror up to it. 511 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 3: That means he knows that what he is doing, at 512 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 3: least his presence on social media is designed to mimic 513 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 3: and mock Trump. Now I don't think a lot of 514 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 3: people are getting the joke. Like he's like he's posting 515 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 3: in all caps. He's posting in a almost kind of 516 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 3: a staccato verbiage, the way President Trump does. 517 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: He'll make a statement and then just do a one 518 00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: one word sentence sad and you know you'll lock out 519 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: by saying thank you for your attention to this matter. 520 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 3: And so Newsom's doing that as well, sometimes in all caps, 521 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 3: and it's a bizarre technique. It doesn't really seem to 522 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 3: mock the president. It doesn't get under his skin, which 523 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 3: I think originally was the plan, but it is gaining attention, 524 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 3: and it's causing this kind of back and forth ping 525 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 3: pong ball volley from Sacramento to the West wing and 526 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 3: then back and forth and back and forth. 527 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: And I'm interested to see where this goes. 528 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 3: So this is from This is interesting, and I hope 529 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 3: you can hear what I hear. 530 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: Visually it speaks for itself. But we're here on the radio. 531 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 3: In twenty eighteen, there was a terrible fire in California 532 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 3: called the Campfire. And President Trump, who had been two 533 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 3: years into his presidency, and I think impeachment was already 534 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 3: already going on, but he was certainly not popular in California, 535 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 3: but nevertheless came to California to lend US support, pledging 536 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 3: federal support, aid all that stuff to the campfire. 537 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,479 Speaker 1: Twenty eighteen. Now it's November of twenty eighteen. 538 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 3: So Newsom had just been elected governor, and Jerry Well, he's. 539 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,719 Speaker 1: Governor elect, and Jerry Brown's governor. 540 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 3: So the three of them are at like in the 541 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 3: in the mountains where the fire is, at the campfire, 542 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 3: looking over the charred ashes and holding. 543 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: A press conference. 544 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 3: And here you have President Trump two years into his presidency, 545 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 3: and you have Jerry Brown, who's the outgoing governor, and 546 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 3: this guy named Gavin Newsom, who is the governor elect 547 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 3: who Trump met that very day. And if you the 548 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 3: body language is unbelievably interesting, but you can pretty much 549 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 3: pick it up from just the sound here. 550 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 13: It is no politics being played here. The President signed 551 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 13: an a mercy declaration immediately. And I cannot impress upon 552 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 13: all the folks here how grateful I am for the 553 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 13: conversations we've had private, non public, and I have to. 554 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 12: Say the government officials have done an incredible job since 555 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 12: Gavin I've just met, and I've heard terrific things, and 556 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 12: I think we've developed a great relationship. 557 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: We have to work together, all right, to stop Gavin 558 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: I just met. 559 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 3: I love that the governor elect of California just meets him, 560 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 3: calls him by his first name, as if he's an intern. 561 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 3: I also noticed, now again I don't know the relationship 562 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 3: at this point. Certainly Newsom was campaigning to be governor 563 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 3: of California on an anti Trump agenda because Trump had 564 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 3: been president for two years beat Hillary Clinton. Every Democrat 565 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 3: hated him. Here he is the newly elected Democrat governor. 566 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: Of the large estate. 567 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 3: So politically, probably the biggest adversary going next to then 568 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:45,719 Speaker 3: Speaker Pelosi. 569 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: Who is related to Newsom. 570 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 3: So everybody is aware in twenty eighteen that there is 571 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 3: there should be no political love laws. 572 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: But the body language was very telling and the language 573 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: use very telling. 574 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 3: Listen to Newsom conveying something that I think is important 575 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 3: to point out, and. 576 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 13: I cannot impress upon all the folks here how grateful 577 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 13: I am for the conversations we've had private, not just public. 578 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,719 Speaker 1: Stop stop stop stop. That's an interesting technique. Politicians use 579 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: that often. 580 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 3: I want you to know we've had conversations public and private. Now, 581 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 3: lou Penrod's rule number four, words matter, and those words matter. 582 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: What is Newsom trying to communicate there? He's trying to communicate. 583 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 3: Look, you see us here talking to each other at 584 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 3: this press conference. But I want you to know that 585 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 3: we have had secret personal conversations. 586 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: That you're not privy to, and I'm not going to 587 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: tell you about. But I want you to know that 588 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: we are. 589 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 3: You know that we have each other's cell phone number, 590 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 3: that we have a connection, We've had private conversations. That's 591 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 3: the reason for saying that, The reason for saying look, 592 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 3: I'm very happy with the President. I want you to 593 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 3: know that I've had conversations with the President private and public. 594 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 3: That's another way of saying I'm in I got a 595 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 3: straight line. I'm personally connected with this guy. Now I 596 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 3: get it. As governor, you want relief money, you want 597 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 3: the federal government on your side, So you want the 598 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 3: people of California to know, Look, I'm right and tight 599 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 3: with the President of the United States. 600 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: One. 601 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 3: That's one outcome of making that suggestion. But I think 602 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 3: it goes deeper. I think Newsome wants everybody to know 603 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 3: that he and the President of the United States, I 604 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 3: don't Trump, have a connection. 605 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: That's what I believe. 606 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 13: How grateful I am for the conversations we've had private, 607 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 13: not just public. 608 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 12: I have to say the government officials have done an 609 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 12: incredible job. And Gavin I've just met, and I've heard 610 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 12: terrific things, and I think we've developed a great relationship. 611 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 8: We have to work. 612 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: Together, all right. 613 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 3: So there's President Trump being magnanimous as he always is. 614 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 3: He can call you all kinds of names and make 615 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 3: fun of you and make up names that are not flattering, 616 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 3: and tweet out things about you. 617 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: But when he sees you in. 618 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 3: Person, and this important stuff to do, like, you know, 619 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 3: a major fire. 620 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 1: And a tragedy. 621 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,359 Speaker 3: He's very magnanimous and said, look, Gavin heard good things 622 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 3: about you. 623 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: We got a lot to do. We got to work together. 624 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 3: Then something else happened and you can't hear it, but 625 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 3: I'm gonna describe. 626 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: What you can hear is the camera's going nuts. So 627 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: you got here, you got you got the three. 628 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,399 Speaker 3: Jerry Brown, who means nothing to anybody at this point 629 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 3: because the outgoing Governor Newsom who just got elected governor, 630 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 3: he's governor elect. This is November, and President Trump, who 631 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 3: is being impeached back in DC and is in California, 632 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 3: the home of Nancy Pelosi, but he's there on official 633 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 3: business and. 634 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: Sincerely wants to be helpful. 635 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 3: So he literally extends his hand out to show the 636 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,879 Speaker 3: cameras and the reporters that he's gonna shake cans with. 637 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,760 Speaker 1: Gavin, who he just met. 638 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 3: But he pulls him in, gives him you all slap 639 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 3: on the back routine, come on in here, and you 640 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 3: can hear it in the in the camera clicks. 641 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 12: A great relationship. We have to work together is a 642 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,240 Speaker 12: very big problem, and we have to solve this problem, 643 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 12: and I. 644 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 13: Know that we're gonna work together. 645 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 12: I have no I have no dat is We're gonna. 646 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 13: Get it done. 647 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: There it is. Listen is this come here together? 648 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 3: I have NOA And that's hear that, hear that. That 649 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 3: is all the clicks from the cameras. New some shaking 650 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 3: hands with Donald Trump, who at that time Nancy Pelosi 651 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:44,439 Speaker 3: is in the process of impeaching. It was classic, and 652 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,479 Speaker 3: I think that relationship still exists. So I'm not sure 653 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,319 Speaker 3: what exactly they're up to with each other, but I 654 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 3: suspect this volley to go back and forth for quite 655 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 3: some time. 656 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,879 Speaker 1: Now New some tough on crime. We'll talk about it next. 657 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: Lou Penrose. 658 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 3: If John Cobalt on The John Cobalt Show on KFI 659 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 3: AM six forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 660 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 2: Hey, you've been listening to The John Cobalt Show podcast. 661 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 2: You can always hear the show live on KFI AM 662 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 2: six forty from one to four pm every Monday through Friday, 663 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,840 Speaker 2: and of course anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.