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Speaker 2: Mets Up?

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Speaker 1: Listeners back here for episode number fifty one of the

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Speaker 1: Mets Up Podcast. I'm your co host Mark Luino Draftneckmark

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Speaker 1: here with James Jeter had no range talking about the

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Speaker 1: New York Mets series against the Philadelphia Phillies, and it's

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Speaker 1: a really common theme that's been happening recently. The Mets

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Speaker 1: played poorly, the Mets laid down, there was no fight,

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Speaker 1: and the season is over. We've known this, we've known

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Speaker 1: this for a couple episodes now, but we're really just

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Speaker 1: we're twisting the knife. We're making it a lot worse.

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Speaker 1: We want everyone to know that there's no hope left

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Speaker 1: in this year, and that's just kind of how the

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Speaker 1: few months. It is the trade deadline. As much as

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Speaker 1: guys like Habi Baias and even a guy like Rich Hill,

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Speaker 1: who had a great start again on Sunday Night, those

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Speaker 1: we haven't been able to get a full team performance

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Speaker 1: in the last few months. Outside of that Yankee series.

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Speaker 1: There haven't been a lot of highlights here. But hey,

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Speaker 1: we're still gonna talk about every single game as we

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Speaker 1: always do, Game one, two, and three, as well as

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Speaker 1: some of the off season rumors that have been flying

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Speaker 1: around a little bit, a little Billy Bean talk as

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Speaker 1: a possible maybe new president of Baseball Operations. We'll cover

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Speaker 1: it all here on the Mets Up podcas As episode

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Speaker 1: number fifty one. Make sure you guys are following us

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Speaker 1: up podcast. Big shout out to everybody who watched the

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Speaker 1: last video on the YouTube channel, so at best performing

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Speaker 1: us out. And that's all I got for the self,

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Speaker 1: you know. Promo spiel James Mets Phillies series. Not a

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Speaker 1: lot great to talk about here. How you feeling awful?

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Speaker 2: Such a terrible series. This Mets team that we were

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Speaker 2: so hopeful about for so long just has absolutely no fight.

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Speaker 2: We can just smell them later because they're not really

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Speaker 2: even waking up. They're not what's what's the phrase, taking

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Speaker 2: the call, calling the challenge, something along those lines, taking

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Speaker 2: the call to action the metsag Yeah, take the Mets

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Speaker 2: are not taking the call to action in a season

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Speaker 2: where we were legitimately just three games out of a

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Speaker 2: playoff spot. When we spoke one week ago after an

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Speaker 2: emotional Sunday Night. Again, Sunday Night baseball victory went over

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Speaker 2: the New York Yankees. They just have this awful week

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Speaker 2: of juiceless baseball where there was no juice to be found,

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Speaker 2: completely dry baseball. It sucks. It really sucks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it just it would have been great. And the

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Speaker 2: It's something that I regret to admit, but on Friday

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Speaker 1: A Marlin series is perfect. No way to really torture

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Speaker 1: Zac Wheeler on the mound for the Phillies, and as

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Speaker 2: It will never happen. I'm gonna drop some Zach Wheeler

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Speaker 2: what happened on Friday night. I'm shock that we've ever

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Speaker 2: the first three inning we're just an unmitigated disaster. The

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Speaker 1: I know in my video I called him Garrett Cole light,

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. He's just that good.

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Speaker 2: In that same offseason, I was going pretty hard applying

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Speaker 2: you can turn Zach Wheeler into Garrett Cole earlier in

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Speaker 2: that off season, around November, and I wrote paragraphsupon paragraphs

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Speaker 2: If you didn't think the Phillies were comebacks before, you

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Speaker 2: took my knowledge. Possibly I'm sure someone read it because

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Speaker 2: I got an actual, very nice email in response, and

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Speaker 2: way now for the next seven years, however fucking long

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Speaker 2: he's gonna be on this team.

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Speaker 1: Didn't they sign your guy Leriano to that offseason? You

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Speaker 2: That was a different story. That was I don't want

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Speaker 2: But there was a person who writes for a publication

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Speaker 2: talked about for Ciscle Loriano being transitioning to a relief

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Speaker 2: and I gave all these crazy stats, I mean, nice tables,

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Speaker 1: Zachler was really good and for a team that just

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Speaker 1: has trouble hitting, like we said, John Lester, we are

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Speaker 2: He was dominant and like luckily he only threw five

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Speaker 2: But now since Zach Wheeler has left the mess. He

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Speaker 2: has made eight starts against us with Philadelphia. He's a

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Speaker 2: are actually far worse I thought they would be. Are

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Speaker 1: I feel like there's the one loss. We roughed him up,

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Speaker 2: It had to have been like August of twenty nineteen

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe something like that's he's gonna dominate us. And

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Speaker 1: it's just the guy we could have had, a guy

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Speaker 2: It's a guy we should have had, because if everyone

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Speaker 1: It's it really is gotten to the point where it's like, how, how,

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Speaker 1: Wants shame on you full or fool me twice, shame

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Speaker 2: I just just like talk about baseball for a second,

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Speaker 2: In this situation, when you're down by one run and

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Speaker 1: It is, and it's just the lesser of two evils.

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Speaker 2: He's throwing beach balls down the middle of the plate,

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Speaker 1: Incredible how they've like got Zack Wheeler and helped him

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Speaker 2: Let's move on to the game too, because our guy

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Speaker 1: Mark, Okay, let me go out on a limb here.

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Speaker 2: He gave up a first sinning run, first sitting home run.

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Speaker 1: Jean Sigura. Man. That guy. For some reason, the Mets

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Speaker 2: But he's always been fine. He plays decent defense in

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Speaker 1: That's what love you.

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Speaker 2: I love you. And the home run he hit in

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Speaker 2: was actually the fourth hardest ball that Jean Sugur has

434
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Speaker 2: hit his entire career.

435
00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:32,720
Speaker 1: Well, I don't need to hear that. I mean, come

436
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Speaker 1: out with the other one come against Edwin Diaz when

437
00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,440
Speaker 1: he just destroyed our dreams as well too.

438
00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,000
Speaker 2: And that one was not on this list. But three

439
00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,320
Speaker 2: of those four highstoo balls have actually come this season,

440
00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,560
Speaker 2: So Jean Sigura might actually be hitting like a power

441
00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,880
Speaker 2: renaissance in his I want to say, mid thirties, about

442
00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,520
Speaker 2: thirty three, thirty four have wells Geene thirty one.

443
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Speaker 1: I looked up Geene Sugar's numbers against the Mets. You

444
00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,639
Speaker 1: ready for this career sixty one games, two hundred and

445
00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:58,159
Speaker 1: sixty three played appearances, ten home runs, fifteen doubles, four triples,

446
00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,760
Speaker 1: thirty two RBIs He's even stole thirty team bases like

447
00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,520
Speaker 1: he's he just does everything. And his slash line is

448
00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,520
Speaker 1: three twenty four, three fifty nine five forty one, nine

449
00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:11,520
Speaker 1: hundred ops. That is the second best ops against the

450
00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,800
Speaker 1: team that he has. You know who's the first team,

451
00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,679
Speaker 1: the Rockies. You want he gets to play in Colorado.

452
00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:18,880
Speaker 1: He just doesn't hit like this against any other team.

453
00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,199
Speaker 1: That's one hundred points higher than his slugging is this

454
00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,000
Speaker 1: year at four to fifty three, and he's having one

455
00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,200
Speaker 1: of the best power seasons of his entire career. Yes,

456
00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,160
Speaker 1: Mets have no clue how to get him out, absolutely

457
00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:27,720
Speaker 1: no clue.

458
00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:29,560
Speaker 2: Watching the game tonight with my dad, he's like, we

459
00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:30,920
Speaker 2: gotta sign this guy next year. I was like, I

460
00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:32,760
Speaker 2: don't think he's a free agent. He's like, I don't care.

461
00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:34,320
Speaker 2: We gotta get him in Queens.

462
00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,199
Speaker 1: He has like an extreme he had. He got a

463
00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,480
Speaker 1: really really good contract, team friendly. He's a free agent

464
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three.

465
00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,239
Speaker 2: Wow, all right, good good Virginia five or seventh. That's

466
00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:42,160
Speaker 2: a great deal for everybody.

467
00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:43,320
Speaker 1: Good deal all round, all right.

468
00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:44,719
Speaker 2: But bring it back to the Mets because we could talk.

469
00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,160
Speaker 2: I could talk about Gene Sigurara for hours.

470
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Speaker 1: And you know that I have happy to love Jean Sigura.

471
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Speaker 1: You are a Jean Sigura guy.

472
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Speaker 2: He's such a good ballplayer. I hate they's on the

473
00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,639
Speaker 2: Phillies killing the Mets, but he does kill the fucking Mets.

474
00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,760
Speaker 2: But just to come back to Carrasco in ten Stars, now,

475
00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,800
Speaker 2: this year, he's given up sixteen earned runs in the

476
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Speaker 2: first tinning. It's crazy, fourteen and a half. He already

477
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,000
Speaker 2: in the first hitting. It's really fucking dumb. It's so stupid,

478
00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,280
Speaker 2: and of course, like every other start, he settled in

479
00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,320
Speaker 2: super well. After that, he gave up just one more

480
00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,080
Speaker 2: home run to Gene Cigarett, because how can you not

481
00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:11,440
Speaker 2: give up home runs to gen Cegura?

482
00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,040
Speaker 1: How can you not He's the best hitter in baseball.

483
00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,159
Speaker 2: I literally lost the Fantasy Baseball Semifinals because of Gene Segura.

484
00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,520
Speaker 1: Oh, I can't believe he wasn't on your team. That's

485
00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:20,800
Speaker 1: your guy, No, my guy.

486
00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:22,280
Speaker 2: I used to take him in rotistory because I get

487
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:23,919
Speaker 2: the batting average in a couple of stolen bases here

488
00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,280
Speaker 2: and there. But after the first inning, Carlos Carrasco pitched

489
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,120
Speaker 2: five more, he got five k's. You only have four hits.

490
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:31,919
Speaker 2: One of them was the other home run to Jean Segurra.

491
00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,160
Speaker 2: His changeup had five whists and eleven swings. His slider

492
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Speaker 2: at five called strikes. Like I know a lot of

493
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 2: these morons on Twitter that we love to refer to

494
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,480
Speaker 2: so callously and so often really just want to kill

495
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,560
Speaker 2: Carlos carrask He was a head of the stake like Piggy,

496
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 2: but he's like super fine. Like if you want to

497
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,720
Speaker 2: pick out problems with this team, you can't start with

498
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:51,600
Speaker 2: Carlos Carrasco.

499
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Speaker 1: No, he's not the issue here. I will say it's

500
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Speaker 1: it's worth noting. First sitting, we've talked about his pitch selection.

501
00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 1: The first inning, fastball, sink, change up, no pitch outside

502
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:03,480
Speaker 1: of that, or he threw one slider and it was

503
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 1: aid j t ram Mutto. He just I guess that's

504
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 1: his mL I guess that's his thing. He just like,

505
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come out and throw fastballs. That's what I do.

506
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,159
Speaker 2: And the best pitchers in baseball are able to do that,

507
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 2: like keep something back for when you go to the

508
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,639
Speaker 2: lineup a second and third time. But I guess that

509
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,399
Speaker 2: Carrasco just again doesn't have his sea legs yet, and

510
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 2: he's not that top twenty pitcher. I says every single

511
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 2: episode that he has been in years past. He might

512
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,439
Speaker 2: be next year. It's possible when he gets a real

513
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 2: off season, real spring training and he doesn't have a

514
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,000
Speaker 2: torn hamstring the whole fucking time, it could. But maybe

515
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 2: he just doesn't need to mix it up more, be

516
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 2: a little bit more creative early, because when it's so

517
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 2: tough to win a game, when you go into an

518
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 2: early hole, when you can't fucking score runs.

519
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 1: No, and if we could score runs, this wouldn't even

520
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 1: be probably as much of a narrative. It would probably

521
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,400
Speaker 1: be like Carrasco gave up another one and people would

522
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 1: be laughing. But the fact is that we play from behind,

523
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,160
Speaker 1: it feels like all the time, and it's not really

524
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,959
Speaker 1: the pitching fault. It's because we can't score runs. If

525
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 1: it's not Hobby Bias, lindor Along or a Nemo where

526
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 1: you got nothing.

527
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,120
Speaker 2: I can for though, has been hitting pretty well.

528
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, true, but for the whole year. I'm still

529
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 1: not putting him there.

530
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 2: Of course, and the first two runs we got in

531
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,400
Speaker 2: this game did not even leave the infield. The first

532
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:12,639
Speaker 2: two of three. I want to say it like the

533
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 2: first two of eight, the only two runs we got

534
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 2: until the last inning of this game did not leave

535
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,640
Speaker 2: the infield. No, it was just not a great offensive

536
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,399
Speaker 2: showing it's really really hard to win games when you

537
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,400
Speaker 2: can't hit. And this is like something we've even talked

538
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 2: about with old Mets teams, the issue. Your pitching piak

539
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 2: can be as good as ever. You can have the

540
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 2: best pitching in the league, but if you just can't

541
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 2: score more runs than the team that you're playing, you

542
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 2: physically can't win. And that's kind of what the Mets

543
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 2: are running into this year, not scoring enough runs.

544
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 1: That's why they're losing. I feel like you can circle

545
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 1: it and you can stamp it.

546
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 2: That is the reason, definitely, especially when you're facing guy

547
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 2: like Aaron Nola, who, for some reason, whenever he walks

548
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 2: into the city field, he gets all the strikeout stuff back.

549
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,200
Speaker 2: He's had a pretty up and down season in terms

550
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 2: of the way Aranola has pitched in his career. It's

551
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 2: technical call a down year. I'm higher on him than most.

552
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 2: He's fantastic, but that's probably because when every faces the Mets,

553
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 2: he strikes everybody out. Every single person we struck.

554
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 1: Out ten guys in a row, broke Tom seevers record.

555
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: It's a killer string.

556
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 2: Nine guys in five innings game.

557
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 1: It was so frustrating, so frustrating, and what was the

558
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 1: real cherry on top? This is who was great? Because

559
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: we lose this game five to three. You know how

560
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: those extra two runs came in or why or how

561
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: it started? Brad Hand, Brad motherfucking hand, that dude again

562
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 1: did go to him again. I don't understand. I can't

563
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 1: even believe it.

564
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 2: Back to back days. I think it was either the

565
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,479
Speaker 2: seventh or eighth inning again for some reason, Brad hen

566
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 2: is just our new high leverage reliever. It was.

567
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: It was unbelievable. It was unbelievable. He like, technically May

568
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 1: gave up the runs or brad Hand got the earned runs.

569
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 1: But May is the one who like had them score

570
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: and come home. But like, whoa, how does brad Ann

571
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 1: get the inning over Trevor May? I don't care if

572
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: Trevor May is struggling. One guy has been good this year.

573
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 1: The other one is Brad Hand. What is your choice?

574
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 1: What is your option? I don't even care if Bryce

575
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: Harper's I don't want to see brad Hand.

576
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 2: It brad Hand was the first reliever out of the

577
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 2: Mets bullpen on Saturday night.

578
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 1: That's disgusting. That is disgusting.

579
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 2: Also, I have a funny trivia question for you here.

580
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 2: Who do you think has a lower ERA this year?

581
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 2: Three guys, Trevor May, Miguel Castro. Neary's familiar.

582
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 1: It's gotta be Miguel Castro.

583
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 2: Is Miguel Castro. He's a low c ray of those

584
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 2: three guys.

585
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: Where's Miguel Castro been?

586
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 2: By the way he pitched the eighth inning in this

587
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 2: game after we gave up the runs in the setting.

588
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay. I was like, I feel like he

589
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: went from being like so used a lot to now

590
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: brad Hand pitches.

591
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 2: It's just like, when this game was over, I'm just

592
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 2: thinking to myself, like, how in the world could we

593
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 2: have lost five straight games the Cardinals in the Phillies.

594
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: Can you imagine how different this.

595
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 2: Could have been if we could just have been three

596
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 2: and two?

597
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, still got a fight.

598
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 2: But this was just like a reliving of our childhood nightmares,

599
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 2: Like all the horrible paranoia and anxiety and stress from

600
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 2: like two thousand and six through two thousand and eight

601
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 2: came just rushing and flooding back into my brain, my

602
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 2: blood stream. At these teams aren't even good, Like we're

603
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,719
Speaker 2: not good either, but like I wish you could just

604
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 2: like win, be five hundred against the mediocre teams.

605
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: I feel like the most annoying part about it is,

606
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 1: especially maybe for me, maybe not as much for you,

607
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: but like then having to deal with the Cardinals and

608
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: Phillies fans that, yeah, the team isn't good.

609
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 2: The worst part about these losses are all my Twitter followers.

610
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, but like because you can't you can't

611
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: rationalize with people that this team isn't good because there's

612
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 1: just like, oh, you're just upset because the Mets loss.

613
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 1: I'm like, I am upset that the Mets lost, but

614
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: I'm upset because they lost to a bad team, a

615
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: team that's just simply not that good.

616
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 2: The crazy thing is there's a good chance that at

617
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 2: least one of these teams are gonna make the playoffs

618
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 2: because of this run. If you look at the remaining

619
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 2: schedules for both of them, it's kind of ridiculous. The

620
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 2: Brewers the Cardinals the rest of the season have alternating

621
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 2: series with the Brewers and the Cups. That's a great

622
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 2: way for the Cardinals to again just go five hundred

623
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 2: and just sneak right into that stupid wild card.

624
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: Spot and beat the Dodgers.

625
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 2: They're not gonna be the Dodgers. You can't. You can't

626
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 2: put that in the universe.

627
00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: Say oh, it's been brewing on Twitter. Everyone is like

628
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. Just wait. And I mean, granted, the

629
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: Padres have been struggling, but they just trounced the Padres

630
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: this weekend.

631
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 2: The Padres are like half a baseball team right now.

632
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 2: I remember when we were excited in June about beating

633
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 2: the Padres with a joke that was maybe that's why.

634
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: We should have known that the Padres were doomed. Is

635
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: when we beat them and had had our way with.

636
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: Them, won the season series against the Padres. That was fun.

637
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 2: That was cool for a week, meant a lot.

638
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: Then just this season could be so different, it should

639
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: be so different, and it's not. And these last two

640
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 1: series really just sum it up.

641
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 2: Well.

642
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: Game two, shit show, Thanks for nothing. Let's talk about

643
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 1: Game three Sunday. So we win because we won what

644
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: five street Sundays? I think straight Sundays, and I feel

645
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: like at the beginning of the year we couldn't win

646
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 1: on Sunday. We'd win the first two and we'd always

647
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: lose Sunday. So it's another rollercoaster of emotions. It's just

648
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: a different way of doing it. Now, now we win

649
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: on Sunday and lose the other two.

650
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 2: It's because nothing can be easy. The beginning of the series,

651
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 2: the season, we couldn't get sweeps because we were actually good.

652
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 2: Now we're not gonna get swept. We're bad. You know that.

653
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 2: Canna let that happen. Well, we got swept out by

654
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 2: the Cardinals. I can't say that just happened. We just

655
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:05,479
Speaker 2: got swept.

656
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: But fuck damn, it wasn't on the weekend.

657
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 2: That's why you know week this week, week day. See,

658
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 2: no one's watching.

659
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: No back pages, there no no back pages. Richill was

660
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: good though, again because Richill has just like kind of

661
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: figured something out that's gonna make him stick around a

662
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: little bit longer.

663
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 2: This probably goes against most of the things I say usually,

664
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 2: but I want Richell on this team next year.

665
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: Wow, that rich Spach things.

666
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: He's a gamer. He just guy loves playing baseball. He

667
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 2: wants the ball and he does not want to give

668
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: it up.

669
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: He like always had that role with like the Dodgers too,

670
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 1: Like he would only throw five innings and like you'd

671
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: be like, he has sixty five pitches, he's given up

672
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,239
Speaker 1: two hits. Why is he getting pulled after five? And

673
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: he would fight and he was like, I'm not coming

674
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: out of this game, and Dave Roberts like you have

675
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: to man, Like come on, dude, Like you're older than me,

676
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: there's just no way.

677
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 2: And you're older than you're much bigger than me. And

678
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 2: I know you got the rest of that one time

679
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 2: but the Patriots game for being drunk. So I don't

680
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 2: want to fuck with you right now. But I'm really

681
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 2: happy I harped on richell slider for a couple of

682
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: weeks because it's just totally dead now. He hasn't thrown

683
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 2: one last two starts. I think that the slow curve

684
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 2: is the slider because he's dropping the arm slot and

685
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: it has like a little bit more horizontal movement than

686
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: his curveball and much less vertical movement. And he got

687
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 2: three whiffs on three swings. The Phillies are just just

688
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 2: a flailing at that thing. But it's just fun. To

689
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 2: watch chill pitch. He's just just watching baseball on the

690
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 2: time machine.

691
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 1: He doesn't particularly get you excited. You're not gonna be like,

692
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: whoa eighty six on the corner. Yeah, but you could

693
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: appreciate that despite not having this plus stuff by any means,

694
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: he gets the job done. He's been really good with

695
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: the Mets, a pickup that I feel like the Mets

696
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: caught a little bit of heat for, like, oh, you

697
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 1: grabbed rich Hill sticky stuff. He hasn't been that good

698
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: and he's turned out to be better than advertised.

699
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: The craziest thing about the second half is that the

700
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: Mets absolutely had a slam dunk with the trade deadline.

701
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: The guys that they got, they said, yeah, they didn't

702
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: get enough, that was the issue.

703
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 2: Well, I think they just believed in the guys in

704
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: this team, like Jeff McNeil, Michael Conforth and Dom Smith

705
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 2: a little bit too much, which, like, that's not the

706
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: craziest thing in the world to believe that you would

707
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: get bounced back from the guys who are like central

708
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 2: parts of your organization, because like, at some point you

709
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: have to think to yourself, these guys don't bounce back.

710
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: We need to move elsewhere, So let me put them

711
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: in a sinker swim situation. Like sure again, I've said

712
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: time and time again, like I wish we had Adam Duval,

713
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: He's naturally good, RBIs. I wish we got Eddi Rozzario

714
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 2: hit for the fucking cycle today, the fewest, Hilaire, the

715
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: fewest amount of pitches ever seen in a cycle. Eddie Rozario.

716
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: He is allergic to walking.

717
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 2: He's allergic to walking. He loves swinging at the first pitch,

718
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: but when he hits, the cycle of fucking works. Jes Hilaire,

719
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: we're listing braves right now. But it's the goddamn truth,

720
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 2: Like you could just get three of those guys, two

721
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: of them, one of them who's one just one even

722
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: it makes one of the guys in the outfield who

723
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: probably went two or three more games right now, and

724
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 2: we're still losing, we're still not making the playoffs. But

725
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 2: at least it wasn't as awful to watch.

726
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: No, And at least I don't have to see Albert

727
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: al Moro, which luckily didn't have to watch much of

728
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: him because he's not on the team right now. I

729
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: think he got sent down again, right or option.

730
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 2: He was optioned. But it's back to the players on

731
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: the field. It was nice to see Dom actually stroke one.

732
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: He's kind of been doing it more in this like

733
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: weird pinch hitting role, which is also weirdly something that

734
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: earned him more playing time was he was coming off

735
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: the bench and swing the bat a little bit better. No, today,

736
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,479
Speaker 1: I didn't pinch hit. But it's like the idea of

737
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: that Dom's not this everyday player to almost get something

738
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: going in his head where it's like I gotta make

739
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: it worth it when I play.

740
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 2: I don't know's I don't know. That's not something we

741
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 2: can really rely on. But again, because Mets fans like

742
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: love Dom Smith. A lot of Mets fans love Tom Smith.

743
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 2: But when he hits the ball solidly, people act like

744
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 2: he invented slice spread, and it's why could this be

745
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 2: something that we are so like, oh, you get it.

746
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: Tom Smith is back, Yeah, yeah. I just can't see

747
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: Dom Smith being anything won a platoon players at this

748
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 2: point for the rest of his career, anything.

749
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: More than a platoon player, and again has to be

750
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: at first base. It can't be anywhere else. You just

751
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: can't cannot touch the outfield, can't it shouldn't even be

752
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: near grass.

753
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 2: And I think the Mets have confirmed that belief in

754
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 2: the last few weeks.

755
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: Dom on the season, his numbers eleven homers, eighteen doubles,

756
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: and four hundred and seventy eight played appearances, a six

757
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: seventy two ops as good as he'd been the last

758
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: two years. It's a shame that it all kind of

759
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: just gets thrown away because this is a awful, awful season.

760
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: This is the worst season statistically almost of his career.

761
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: Like he had those weird rough stretches in like those

762
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: sixty games with the Mets in seventeen eighteen where he

763
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: was bad.

764
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: He's basically that player right now. And he just looks

765
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 2: like kind of sluggish out there. The fitness level, not

766
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: that he's like like he once was, but it just

767
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 2: doesn't seem to have like as strong of a body.

768
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: No, the swings have been weak. He hasn't been hitting

769
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: the ball particularly hard, which would fall into why he

770
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: doesn't have the extra base hits. I mean, twenty nine

771
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: extra base hits on the air. That's just so that's miserable,

772
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: that's so bad. I feel bad for the guy. He

773
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: shouldn't be playing like this, but again, maybe this is

774
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: a little bit on us for falling in love and

775
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: overhyping what we saw in what was really a one

776
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty nine game stretch with a much bouncier baseball, Yes,

777
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: with a very very different baseball, and not a lot

778
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: of scatting reports.

779
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 2: On him, no, nothing at all. No one really knew

780
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: what was going on, and now it seems like people

781
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: know exactly what's going on, how to get Dom Smith out.

782
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: Yes, this also seemed to be a game of the

783
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: guys who had been struggling kind of stepping up. Jeff McNeil,

784
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: for the love of God, finally got his first home

785
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: run since August first, which is insane to say. A

786
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: lot of talk about Jeff McNeil on the broadcast from

787
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: A Rod. A Rod loves Jeff McNeil, because of course

788
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: he did, because A Rod was never even remotely the

789
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: type of player that Jeff McNeil is. A Rod falls

790
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: in love with these guys that just it doesn't even

791
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: make sense. I don't know how that's the guy he

792
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: falls in love with. We love Jeff, but for a

793
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: Rod to love Jeff McNeil takes no sense whatsoever. But

794
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: he was talking about he was talking to somebody, I

795
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: don't know who he was saying. He's like, but they

796
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: were like, Jeff McNeil needs hits. If that guy's not

797
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: getting hits, he's not gonna be playing baseball well. And

798
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: I was like, that's kind of a dumb thing to say,

799
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: because you know that is Jeff McNeil's game. But I

800
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: also one hundred percent understood what he said. And you've

801
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: talked about him before, the red ass man. The dude

802
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: is just pressed and he got robbed in Game two

803
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: and a country made a sick play on him. He

804
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: can't buy a hit this one. Luckily, nobody could get

805
00:32:58,680 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: a glove on.

806
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 2: He crushed it the power swing that we've seen Jeff

807
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: McNeil have in the past, when he's had these hot

808
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 2: stretchers with power, where he just has that low ingon

809
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 2: wheelhouse and we'll just get the bad head out and

810
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: crush the ball. Because he can't do that. That's possible,

811
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: it's within his repertoires in that toolbox. It's just something

812
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 2: is just so wrong and we don't see it enough.

813
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: And I think he's basically played his way out of

814
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: an everyday role for next season.

815
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: I do wonder if the hamstring thing that has been bothering.

816
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: Him one hundred thousand percent, he's still not running one

817
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 2: hundred percent.

818
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, So like I wonder if that's also dealing a

819
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: little bit with the inconsistencies and the fact that there's

820
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: just been so many ground balls from him. They showed

821
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: his spray chart on ground balls. It sit like ten

822
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: percent of the ground balls to the left side of

823
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: the infield and things that we talked about. Again, you

824
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: just shift against Jeff McNeil, you're really gonna kill his game.

825
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially because he's not able to lift the ball

826
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: right now, and when he does hit in the ground,

827
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 2: it's not especially hard. He doesn't have the eggs of

828
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: VELAs seas elite hitters and baseball had. I think he

829
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: used to get by with like a spray approach, but

830
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 2: I think it was a little bit overblown. He was

831
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 2: able to get these cheap hits. Now that there's more

832
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 2: day than more information, teams just around the league generally

833
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 2: are smarter. He doesn't get those che hits anymore. And

834
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: Jeff McNeil really thrived on those just singles hits.

835
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: Scrappy baseball player, he was super scrappy he still is

836
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: still playing great defense out in the outfield. His OAA

837
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: this year is in the ninetieth percentile. Ninetieth. I couldn't

838
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: even believe that because you watch Jeff out there and

839
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: you don't by no means you don't go he's bad.

840
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 1: But I don't think of him as like this great,

841
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: fantastic level left field ninety percent tiles legit stuff.

842
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 2: I think where Jeff McNeil lacks as an outfielder is

843
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: that he doesn't run around with like grace yeacause you

844
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 2: don't see Jeff McNeil like take a nice, leisurely stroll

845
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 2: to a ball that looks like could be in the gap,

846
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 2: like really just pulling in like Lagaris used to do.

847
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: Just find the spot, walk over there, really casually, like

848
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 2: how's he covering all this ground? Jeff McNeil is h

849
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 2: He's kind of like a percussion set, while a lot

850
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: of other outfielders are like a nice like nice like saxophone,

851
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 2: nice jazz ensemble. Yes, smooth, Not Jeff, not Jeff. Jeff

852
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 2: is anything but smooth. Glad to see him get the

853
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 2: home run, though, Glad he smiled. He smiled for the

854
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 2: first time in three or four months. So that was

855
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 2: nice to see too. Jeff McNeil's last home run August first,

856
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: That was like before preseason football began.

857
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: That feels like another year. That's when the Mets thought

858
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: they could still make the playoffs.

859
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: We thought the mescaistm make the playoffs a week ago.

860
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: That's true. We forget about that. We'll move past that

861
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: positive note here too. I mean, Mets did win this game,

862
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: and hey, we used Aaron Loop in a high leverage

863
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: situation and it worked.

864
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 2: Worked really fucking well. He belled out Seth Lugo after

865
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 2: two base runers around with Bryce Harper coming up in

866
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 2: the seventh, got Bryce Harper out and he continued to pitch.

867
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 2: In the eighth. He got four out very easily, brought

868
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: his season long era down to a one point zero zero,

869
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 2: which is legit literally the best era in baseball for

870
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 2: any pitcher with a minimum of fifty innings thrown.

871
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: That's so crazy that Aaron Loop is the guy who

872
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: holds that this dude got ran out of Toronto. He

873
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: was bad there, the Rays tinkered fixed something, and now

874
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,959
Speaker 1: he's here in New York and he has been sick

875
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 1: so much so where he's probably gonna get himself another

876
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: contract with the METS. I would assume.

877
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna get himself another contract, but I'm

878
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 2: not so sure it's with the METS. I think that

879
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 2: the resign we.

880
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: Got Brad Hand I forgot my bad. No.

881
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have our lefty stopper down for next year.

882
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: But I think that the resigned chatter around Brett Aaron Loop.

883
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: I almost said, Brad Hand if I would have said

884
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: that with the end of the podcast on the spot,

885
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 2: shut shut shut the laptop.

886
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: Shut it down, shut it down.

887
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 2: But when you get relievers like Aaron Loop who do this,

888
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 2: it almost is counterproductive to then reward him with a

889
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 2: large contract. I want him to get paid. I would

890
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: love for Aaron Loop to go to Los Angeles Angels

891
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 2: of Anaheim eight million dollars a year, twenty four for three,

892
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 2: have a fucking ball out there for the rest of

893
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: freshly career. Brother. But like, the whole point is that

894
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 2: you have to try and do this again when the

895
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 2: guy w costs a million dollars, Like, that's how you

896
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: win this, not giving him a fat deal.

897
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: Oh, I by no means want like the massive contract

898
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: to come from us if he wants to stay around

899
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: for the three four million. Hell, Aaron stick around. I'll

900
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: give you ten years for three million a year, whatever,

901
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: but four million a.

902
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: Year and I bring him one case of bush Light

903
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 2: a week. Deal.

904
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: I'm in. Sign it up. Who says no, Who says

905
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: no to that?

906
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 2: Who says no, I'll say yes.

907
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: I'll say we're in, Aaron loop. If you're in, We're in.

908
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: That's all we're saying here. But he was good, and

909
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: it was nice to see him used properly in a

910
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: high leverage situation because, Wow, shocker, Aaron Lup can handle it.

911
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: We didn't have to go to brad hand to get

912
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: these outs.

913
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 2: Well. Also, I'm sure brad han was unavailable after pitching

914
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,439
Speaker 2: him back to back days. We have to save brad

915
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: Hans for the stretch. God.

916
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: And then Diaz got it done. Boy did he make

917
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: it interesting because he has to, especially against the Phillies.

918
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: Bryce Harper points to the sky into the warning track.

919
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: I go, oh God, no, please, you pointed. This can't

920
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: be good. That balls hit hard. Jeff McNeil camped under it.

921
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: Mets win the game.

922
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 2: I had this crazy thought while Jean Segura was up

923
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 2: and there was a man on first one out, Bryce

924
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: Harper on deck as to whether or not Edwin Diaz

925
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: could possibly get a double play, and I thought to myself,

926
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 2: no one ever hits grand balls against edwind Das. I

927
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 2: thought to myself, I don't know if I've ever seen

928
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: ed Diaz get a double play well in the Mets.

929
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 2: So I want to ask you, how many double plays

930
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 2: do you think Edwin Diaz has been on the mound

931
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: for as a Met.

932
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: I know this year, I think there's been one, So

933
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say he gets one a year. That puts

934
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:13,760
Speaker 1: him at three.

935
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: The answer is two.

936
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: Wow, it's less than one a year, and one of

937
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: them was a line drive. So literally like there's no

938
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: like grounded into a double play double play, one ground

939
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: ball double play as of Yeah, I mean, he just

940
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: doesn't have that kind of stuff. He doesn't like living

941
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: in low in the zone. Kind of isn't this thing either.

942
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 2: I just still thought like, at some point, you're pitching

943
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 2: so many innings, like there was gonna be some kind

944
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 2: statistical anomaly a ball hitting the ground with a man

945
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 2: out first it is.

946
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: It is shocking that no one's just like gotten on

947
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: top of one and hit it hard into the ground

948
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: one time, like you would think that there's just like

949
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: a pitch that like they were just a little off

950
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: on at one point one time, one time this year,

951
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: two times as a New York Met that's crazy fucking nuts.

952
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: Doesn't really matter, but it is definitely a stat that

953
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: is is worth talking about. It's eye opening here, Mets win, whooped?

954
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: You fucking do? We took one of three from the

955
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: Phillies because we just we don't got it. We don't

956
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: got the juice. We definitely don't, which I think leads

957
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: us into our next discussion here, which is gonna be

958
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: about this executive front office chatter that's been going around

959
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: Twitter world. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic I believed, published

960
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: an article about Billy Bean and the possibility with a

961
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: New York Mets you know contract there I'll call the

962
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: reunion reunion yes, with Bob Melvin as well being involved.

963
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on? I mean, I think we

964
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: know what you're gonna say about Billy Bean. I obviously

965
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: would like him. He seems like he'd be a perfect

966
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: fit for the president of Baseball ops. But if he

967
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: comes to Bob Melvin, does that make you even more enticed?

968
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: Or you like maybe a little less, a little hesitant.

969
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 2: I think I'm definitely more enticed. I think Bob Melvin

970
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 2: is a very good baseball manager. I'm not as down

971
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 2: on Luis Rojas's most people are. It exists in the world.

972
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 2: It seems like ninety nine point nine percent of people

973
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: want to like throw Louise Rojas off the arison a bridge.

974
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 2: I don't think he's done like a bad job. I

975
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 2: don't think you can really point to Louis Rojas as

976
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 2: a problem with this team. And I truly don't even

977
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: know if he's done enough like to be fired, Like

978
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 2: I don't understand how we could put all the problems

979
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 2: with this team not being able to hit on Louis Rojas.

980
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: But you can't really talk down on Bob Melvin's pedigree

981
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: and the way he's been able to manage, especially under

982
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 2: Billy Bean's like guidance. Like those two have very clear chemistry,

983
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 2: a very clear rapport, and I think that it would

984
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 2: be a legitimate slam dog to build them in. And

985
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 2: Ken Rosenthal, as well as guys like John Hayman, Bill Madden,

986
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 2: all of these very inside baseball guys have been saying

987
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: this now for about a week straight. It's to the

988
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: point where I'm really beginning to think that it's a

989
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,919
Speaker 2: legitimate possibility, something that I said I just thought could

990
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:51,919
Speaker 2: happen a few months ago.

991
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, if the Mets somehow we're able to swing Billy

992
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,479
Speaker 1: Bean as the president of Baseball Ops through the moon,

993
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 1: I'm excited. That's a move that I think would be

994
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: a really nice step forward into the offseason. That would

995
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: be something that makes me feel like we're going in

996
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: the right direction. We finally have the guy who is smart,

997
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: he's ahead of things, he knows what to do, and

998
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: now he's gonna have money to spend. That's scary for me.

999
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: With Billy Bean. The reason why the A's had to

1000
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: do all this stuff is because they didn't have money

1001
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: to spend. He had to find, like you've said with

1002
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: Farhan anxiety, those market inefficiencies and find the gaps and

1003
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: all that. So if you can find those gaps and

1004
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 1: still get those cheap players to fill out roster spots

1005
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: lower down the list, and then mix them in with

1006
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: the stars that we can bring into New York, that's

1007
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: a damn scary combination right there. And I'm I'm super

1008
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: excited to see if we can make that happens. That's

1009
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: something I want to see. And then on top of it,

1010
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: to bring Bob Melvin, who I think is one of

1011
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: the most underrated managers in baseball. Guy just wins all

1012
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: the time with teams that are not nearly as good

1013
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 1: as some of the bigger payroll clubs in baseball. People say,

1014
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: you know, you said, how much can we blame Luis

1015
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: Rosas for the hitting? And I'm with you, it's not

1016
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: on him. He's not If these guys aren't gonna hit,

1017
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: it's not on Luis Rojas's fault. In the same aspect,

1018
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: if you want to talk about a guy getting the

1019
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: most out of his players, Bob Melvin is one hundred

1020
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 1: percent one of those dudes. Because I mean they'll pull

1021
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: guys out of their butt too that you go like,

1022
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 1: that guy's playing well, the guy's having a rejuvenated career.

1023
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: This guy's doing this. And his bullpen management is always

1024
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: pretty cash money too. They have one of the strongest

1025
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: bullpens every year with guys you've never heard of.

1026
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, but while they're guys you've never heard of, they're

1027
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: all very talented guys like yes, sh Mara Petit I've

1028
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 2: said that before, his best kept secret in baseball. The

1029
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 2: guy's fucking incredible. And I just think that there is

1030
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: so much like narrative momentum that would make this move

1031
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 2: really like logical. Again, we're like, we're connecting dots right

1032
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: now and doing this kind of shit. But just the

1033
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 2: fact that Billy being his playing career like start with

1034
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 2: the Mets, the Mets draft of them in the first

1035
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 2: round of the melmb Draft. He a highly tathered prospect.

1036
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 2: What the shit didn't work out? Sandy Alderson get Billy

1037
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: being his first shot in front office role. I don't

1038
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 2: think in the scatting role, but I think in a

1039
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 2: front office role. I believe that's a major connection right there.

1040
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 2: Billy Bean needs a ring if he really wants to

1041
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,479
Speaker 2: enter that pantheon of the greatest sports executives of all time,

1042
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 2: something that he has kind of been passed in the

1043
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 2: most recent years by a lot of other executives major

1044
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 2: League Baseball who's been better than him, more impressive than him.

1045
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: One more than him actually got into the mountain top

1046
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 2: of time or two. And Steve Cohen really really, really,

1047
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,439
Speaker 2: very much, it's so obvious wants to do some crazy shit.

1048
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 2: This offseason. I think that starts with getting a very

1049
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: high profile name to come in and run this team.

1050
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 2: And on top of that, Billy Bean has been flirting

1051
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: the last few years with the idea of leaving the Athletics.

1052
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 2: I know he's I think, part of the ownership group

1053
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 2: for some European soccer club I believe, I want to

1054
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 2: say Liverpool. He jumped in that group with all the

1055
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 2: Americans who did that before because he talked about basically

1056
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 2: bringing moneyball to soccer, something that we've actually talked about

1057
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 2: off air I think would be fascinating development. And he

1058
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 2: even floated the idea of this offseason. He basically broke

1059
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: up with the A's for like a few weeks and

1060
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 2: left and went to like a private business group and

1061
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: ended up coming back. And I believe that this all

1062
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 2: because of the Markassemian issue in falling out, not offering

1063
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 2: Marcus Emi and a homegrown player who went to Berkeley

1064
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 2: from Northern California, not giving him a fucking qualifying offer

1065
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 2: eighteen million dollars for a guy who now is for

1066
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: the home runs a catalyst in literally the best offense

1067
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 2: in baseball. Like, you add all those things up and

1068
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 2: it really seems like there's a good chance that Billy

1069
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,439
Speaker 2: Bean is not the head executive of the Oakland A's

1070
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 2: next year. And maybe he's not with the Mets, but

1071
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: I just don't see him being with the A's. You

1072
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 2: only hurdle to jump is his ownership stake in that team.

1073
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: Yes, that is one thing that's gonna make it super

1074
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: interesting because he cannot work for the Mets and have

1075
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: an ownership stake in the Oakland A's.

1076
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:36,919
Speaker 2: Not only a lot of hope.

1077
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: Steve Cohen's got cash, so what we call a conflict

1078
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 1: of interest, Yes, paying that baby. I'd love to get

1079
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: him here, I really would. And it seems like the

1080
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: growing sentiment is that Rojas is gonna be on his

1081
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: way out, and as much as Sandy seems like he's

1082
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: gonna stick around, I think a guy like Billy Bean

1083
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: could be the dude to push him out. I think

1084
00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: Sandy is the insurance policy right now, so we'll see.

1085
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 2: And I think that Sandy, while it's very clear that

1086
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 2: he's uh not really fit for this role anymore, he's

1087
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 2: very well respected still around the game, especially of the

1088
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,919
Speaker 2: older generation of the game that Billy Bean falls into.

1089
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 2: And maybe Billy Bean is behind the guy like David

1090
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 2: Stearns or some of the other high profile executives from

1091
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 2: some of the more sharp teams this like that have

1092
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 2: come on recently. But I don't know, I think he

1093
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 2: could really bring a lot to what the Mets want

1094
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: to do, some instant credibility to the front office.

1095
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'd be concerned with Billy Bean's, like,

1096
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 1: you know, falling behind if the A's were a team

1097
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: that have also fallen behind. But that's a team that

1098
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: continues to be towards the top of that division, So

1099
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: like for me, and not that you're worried about it,

1100
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: that's not what I'm taking away. But if I felt

1101
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: like there was that issue, I feel like I could

1102
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 1: see it more. But he's still putting out some damn

1103
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: good teams with absolutely nothing. That to me is is

1104
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Speaker 1: something I want.

1105
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 2: They are damn good teams with nothing. But I think

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00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 2: he has fallen off a little bit recently, like just

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00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 2: the last like four years. His teams haven't really packed

1108
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 2: the same punch as I guess like fifteen years ago

1109
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 2: when he was the only guy using math ins front

1110
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 2: office basically, but you can you can expect that and

1111
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 2: I don't want like Billy Bean to come to the

1112
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 2: Mets and become Dave Don BRASKI, Like I have money,

1113
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 2: now I have to use it like correct, You still

1114
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 2: need to like bring like I want to see like

1115
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 2: the moneyball sentiments to the Mets. You still want to

1116
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: be able to find those like gems on the way

1117
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 2: for wire. You still want to be able to pull

1118
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 2: like a Lutavino or Frankie Mantis or Chris Bassett. And

1119
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 2: then you have to have the analyst on your staff

1120
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: and your players development systems within to turn those guys

1121
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: into studs. And something that Billy Bean has lacked with

1122
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 2: tremendously over the last decade plus with the Oakland Athletics

1123
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 2: is developing high profile young players. The A's very consistently

1124
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,479
Speaker 2: have these barren rosters because their prospects are generally dog shit.

1125
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 2: They very consistently take first round picks guys like high

1126
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,720
Speaker 2: profile international signings and do not turn them into stars,

1127
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 2: don't even really turn them to useful players. Often you

1128
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,720
Speaker 2: look up and down the Rays and the A's roster,

1129
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 2: and besides guys who were kind of locks like Matt Chapman,

1130
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 2: Matt Olson and Marcus Mmian literally first round picks, Like

1131
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of filler there of guys who

1132
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: really should have been good and should have taken steps.

1133
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: That's a fair that's definitely a fair point that they

1134
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: have struggled a little bit with that prospect development for

1135
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: sure recently. I think more so than who's going to

1136
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: be the leader of this front office, I think the

1137
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: Mets need to reevaluate who are the other guys that

1138
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 1: are working the inner the inner workings of everything, because

1139
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: I mean I put out a tweet the on Saturday

1140
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: night when the Mets couldn't hit, and it was like,

1141
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 1: we got we got a clear house of everybody that's

1142
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: touching hitting whatever we're doing from a hitting spot here.

1143
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I know we had this big thing about Hugh.

1144
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: Hugh Quaddlebaum might be your boy, but holy shit, it's

1145
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: not working. The Mets offense has just plummeted. And whatever

1146
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 1: the planning, the approach, the philosophy is right now is broken.

1147
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 1: I think we're one hundred and forty games into the season. Now,

1148
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: there's no longer like it might. They just got to

1149
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: buy in one hundred and fifty, They got to buy in.

1150
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: It doesn't work. We need to get the right guys

1151
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: in the right spot. People are souper, especially in Mets world,

1152
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: it feels like very anti analytic right now, which I

1153
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: think the Sets are doing too many analytics. And you

1154
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: even said it, you think they might be doing some

1155
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 1: of the least probably in baseball.

1156
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say the least in baseball, but I think

1157
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 2: that what people think are analytics are certainly not analytics.

1158
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 2: Like like the decision making processes that a lot of

1159
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 2: times people again perceive Luis Rojas been making, like this

1160
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 2: doesn't seem that it's analytic as most people believe it

1161
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 2: to be. Like people think like taking at a starting

1162
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 2: pitcher of the ADA pitches like fuck analytics, Like what

1163
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 2: are you talking about, man? Analytics is like processes you

1164
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: used to like build a team and like create again,

1165
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 2: Like I just said the word, a process of how

1166
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 2: we're gonna make these decisions day in and day out.

1167
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 2: We didn't take the guy out because the ADA pitches

1168
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 2: took the guy out because his last three innings were

1169
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 2: much worse, and we want to face bad at their

1170
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 2: time because we know this guy faced good at this pitch.

1171
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 2: It's just like the general action of using as much

1172
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 2: information as possible, and to say it doesn't work, there's

1173
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 2: a broken record. It's fucking ridiculous. If you watch any

1174
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 2: baseball player, do you see the best teams in the league.

1175
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: These are the smartest teams in the league. That these

1176
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 2: teams use the most math, teams have the most analysts,

1177
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 2: said a million times, Giants have the most fucking coaches

1178
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 2: in baseball. These guys, like, fuck, haven't you watched the

1179
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: race play baseball team is the best record. They're gonna

1180
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 2: go for one hundred wins.

1181
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: They're tied for the most runs in the league with

1182
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: teams like the Blue Jays and the Astros and the

1183
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: White Sox. And you can't name the average baseball fan

1184
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: cannot name three or four guys on that starting lineup.

1185
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 2: No way, no, definitely not. And this offensive jarna has

1186
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 2: come like recently, like they've exploded in the last month.

1187
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 2: They've been one of the best offensive teams in baseball

1188
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 2: since the trade deadline. We're getting off topic here, but

1189
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 2: like we need to model our franchise off teams like that,

1190
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 2: not the way the Mets have been over the last

1191
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 2: ten years, because like the Mets were under the Wolpons,

1192
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 2: especially like before Brody came in, one of the least

1193
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 2: sharp teams in baseball and of analytics. They literally it

1194
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 2: was very like noted that the Mets had the least

1195
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 2: analysts on staff in baseball for years, like single digit

1196
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,959
Speaker 2: number of analysts, when teams like the Rays are already

1197
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 2: employing numbers in like the thirties and forties and fifties, Like,

1198
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 2: you have to be on top of this shit. Get

1199
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 2: as much information data as possible and fucking use it. YEP.

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping Steve co and who has said that he

1201
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: wants to be, you know, one of the more analytically

1202
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: based teams, one of the leading ones in Major League Baseball.

1203
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: I hope that comes true. I hope it comes true

1204
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: because that combination of the you know, the smarts and

1205
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: the information along with the unlimited money that the New

1206
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: York Mets have is very scary. There's another team in

1207
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: baseball that has a very similar kind of budget and

1208
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: is at the top of the analytic game and as

1209
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Dodgers, and they've been one of the

1210
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: best teams of baseball for the last ten years. I

1211
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: would love to be the Dodgers.

1212
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 2: The Astros are also built of the exact same milk.

1213
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: And I don't know why built all the exact same

1214
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: milk ilk ilk oh, I was like built of the

1215
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: same milk. That's not an expression.

1216
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 2: Two percent baby a day in and day out. But

1217
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 2: the one executive name who I have not heard yet,

1218
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 2: who I really thought would have come up is Jeff Lunou.

1219
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like he's kind of still a little

1220
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: bit of black cat here.

1221
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 2: He could be a player though still, I mean, I

1222
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: don't know. I feel like there's gonna have to be

1223
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 2: a mystery player comes in because theopstein is no chance,

1224
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 2: zero percent chance, it's not gonna happen. I don't want

1225
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 2: it to happen. It seems like Dave Starance has way

1226
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 2: too good of a thing going in Milwaukee and Billy Bean.

1227
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 2: While a lot of it makes sense, it's just because

1228
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,919
Speaker 2: we're connecting dots and there's tons of hurdles I would

1229
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 2: have to be jumped through and do that, and tons

1230
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 2: of teams to try to lure Billy Bean before, and

1231
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 2: it's never worked out. And it does seem like he

1232
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 2: actually wants to be a part of a fucking soccer club.

1233
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 2: So there has to be another big name here that

1234
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 2: hasn't been approached yet and someone who would be very

1235
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 2: eager to take a shot, and he would need to

1236
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 2: go to an organization that was very willing to take

1237
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 2: a risk and not really that concerned with bad press,

1238
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 2: which it doesn't seem like this new Mets regime is.

1239
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: No. Yeah, I'd love to see the Mets. Lunaw built

1240
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: the Astros as we know them right now. And while

1241
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: he was very much caught up in the entire cheating scandal,

1242
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: Jeff Lunow knows something. I mean, that guy built a juggernaut,

1243
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: a juggernaut. They didn't even need to cheat. That's the

1244
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: worst part. I'd love to have him build that juggernaut.

1245
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 2: Hey, here, that guy is and I want to quote

1246
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 2: Rick James on this cold blooded he doesn't give a fuck,

1247
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 2: He doesn't give a fuck win. And I think Stevie

1248
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 2: is really fucking similar. And I think we get two

1249
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 2: like high profile big wig business economic executives in the

1250
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 2: front office here Twitter, we'll go the ballistic. The sj

1251
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 2: w's will freak the fuck out, but we would win

1252
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 2: some ballgames.

1253
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: I'm in, I'm in. I just want to win ball games.

1254
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: That's all I want. Man speaking of ball games. Here

1255
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: quick preview. We got who the Red Sox on Tuesday

1256
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: and Wednesday, two games in Boston.

1257
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 2: Said second two games set against the Red Sox this year,

1258
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 2: and remember the last one in April.

1259
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: That was hell, that was hell, absolute hell. And oh

1260
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: what do you know the Red Sox, Well, it was

1261
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: the Orioles that they beat around this weekend. They they

1262
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 1: got hot again. So it's it's perfect timing. We get

1263
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:38,919
Speaker 1: to play the Red Sox when they're swinging the bats.

1264
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 2: Well. This will be fun, though, because I consider the

1265
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 2: series of win win. Either the Mets actually win games

1266
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 2: and I don't like, feel like death for these next

1267
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 2: couple of days, or the Mets lose games to a

1268
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 2: team that the Yankees are chasing, and that's okay too.

1269
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: That's okay too. I will take that victory as a

1270
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: we'll take that loss as a victory. At least the

1271
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: Red Sox are gonna still be at the playoffs over

1272
00:52:56,239 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: the Yankees, which, oh my god, what a disappointing season,

1273
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 1: so awful, so awful. Thank you guys for listening though,

1274
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for being a part of this watching.

1275
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: Despite the season being dead in the water, we still

1276
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: are getting a bunch of listens, and the YouTube videos

1277
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: are doing well on the Twitter and the tweets and

1278
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 1: everything are going super great, So do appreciate all the

1279
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: may support you guys have continued to show us. Make

1280
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: sure you're following us on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok at, mets

1281
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: up YouTube channel, mets up podcast. Follow James on Twitter

1282
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 1: at Jeter had No Range, follow me at Draftnick Mark

1283
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: with the C. Yeah, that's pretty much it for episode

1284
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: number fifty one. Give us a rating, drop us a review.

1285
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Speaker 1: Thank you guys for listening, Thank you for watching, and

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Speaker 1: we'll catch you after the Boston Red Sox series. That

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Speaker 1: will be a short episode for sure. We will have

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Speaker 1: two games to talk about. Eleven minutes eleven minutes. You

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Speaker 1: heard it here first eleven minute podcast coming next time.

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Speaker 1: But whatever it is, we'll be here after the Red

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Speaker 1: Sox series. Thank you guys for listening, thanks for watching,

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Speaker 1: See you next time.

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Speaker 2: Peace out. Thank you guys, see you next time. And

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Speaker 2: big shout out to all of the listeners who actually

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Speaker 2: listened to the end of the episode and heard me

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Speaker 2: drop dust to dust in the wind at the end

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Speaker 2: of the last one. Because the season has become dust

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Speaker 2: in the winds. Thank you guys,