1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: This is the best of two pros and a couple 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Joe with lamar Arias and Rady Win and Jonas Knox 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: on Fox four Radio. 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 2: The NFL win totals were released yes over on Draft 5 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 2: Kings and so I've got the full menu right in 6 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 2: front of me, and it looks like the league is 7 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 2: at ten and a half wins. But there are ten 8 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 2: teams at ten and a half wins. Last year we 9 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 2: had at least four teams that were at eleven and 10 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 2: a half wins season win total. We don't have one 11 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 2: as we speak right now. We do have ten teams 12 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 2: at ten and a half. I'll rattle them off real 13 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 2: fast here, Jeff. You tell me if you like any 14 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 2: of these ten to go over or any of these 15 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 2: ten to go under. So these are all at ten 16 00:00:50,920 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: and a half. We've got the Ravens, Bills, Lions, Packers, Chiefs, Chargers, Rams, Eagles, Seahawks, Niners. 17 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 2: Ten teams at ten and a half. 18 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 3: All right. So the first one stood out to me 19 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 3: was the Chiefs because is Mahomes coming back week one? 20 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 3: Are we we ten and a half week? 21 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 4: Absolutely their Week one, no doubt. 22 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 3: Okay, So you think you will, I mean Obviously, the 23 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 3: way this is laid out is that they believe he's 24 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 3: gonna be there, right, because obviously you don't lay ten 25 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 3: and a half on the Chiefs if you don't think 26 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 3: Mahomes will be there. Now that that was down to 27 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 3: me as a sore thumb, like, oh okay, I mean huh, 28 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 3: so Vey just thinks Mahomes is back. That's basically what 29 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 3: they're telling you. Otherwise you would't lay ten and a half. 30 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 3: He's gonna missed the first month of the season. 31 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 4: Right, No, yeah, no way, okay, right, do you say 32 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 4: Phillies up there? Phillies at ten and a half. 33 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 3: I'm on a Philly fade this year. I've decided, Yeah, 34 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 3: I'm gonna make our friend Russ happy, but I just 35 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 3: don't really like the higher an offense coordinator and Sean 36 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 3: Magian might be good eventually, but this is his his 37 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 3: first year calling plays and his third year as a 38 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 3: coach ever. Ever, and I'm not saying that you can't 39 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 3: be a good coach the first year you call plays, 40 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 3: but you have a dynamic in Philly where you have 41 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 3: a quarterback that you know if things aren't perfect, he's 42 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 3: not as good, which is for a lot of quarterbacks, right, 43 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 3: But still I think I think Jalen hurts. You know, 44 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 3: if things are not the run game is not perfect, 45 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 3: offensive line is not great in a given game, like 46 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 3: is he taking the game over? And last year they 47 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 3: had an offense that didn't have answers for things right, 48 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 3: and now first time OC is going to have all 49 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 3: the answers to the test right. And with a head 50 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 3: coach that's an offensive guy but doesn't call plays, it 51 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 3: doesn't seem to really actually help the offense. And then, 52 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 3: and maybe this is a little bit of my bias 53 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 3: showing here, they fired Jeff Stotlin, essentially the best offensive 54 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,679 Speaker 3: not coach in the NFL. You're you're you're not good 55 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 3: enough to figure out how to run Kyle Shanahan's offensive designs, 56 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 3: you know, like it just it just feels like they're 57 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 3: they're backtracking right. Lane Johnson retires, which seems fifty to 58 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 3: fifty maybe sixty forty. Yes, we're talking about Lennard Dickerson 59 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 3: retire who went and got stem cells in Colombia, which 60 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 3: is which works from from bio cellular But still like 61 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 3: he's at the point of his career when he's you know, 62 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 3: he's doing offseason. You know the Kobe Bryant right, go 63 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 3: to Germany gets similar in Columbia now, right, That's so 64 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 3: that's where a lot of teams, a lot of players 65 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 3: are going to get it done. I just don't I 66 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 3: just don't like the vibe there. Right. And if you 67 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 3: assume the Giants are a little bit better, right, you know, 68 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 3: the Commanders are better this year. You know the Cowboys 69 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 3: that they are going to be what they've been with 70 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,119 Speaker 3: Dak Prescott, which is a competitive team. I just don't 71 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 3: love the Eagles. They're a team I'm oning, you know, 72 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 3: I've made these wagers, but this and they're a team 73 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 3: I'm eyeing as a as a as an underteam. 74 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 2: I hear you on that. Totally understand where you're coming 75 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 2: from on that. There's a team that I love heading 76 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: into the season. That would be the Lions. I am 77 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 2: all over the Lions this season. 78 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 4: Jeff over Over. 79 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 2: Yes, this is pre free agency, pre draft obviously, but 80 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 2: as it just shapes up, I look at the first 81 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 2: thing that just hits you right between the eyeballs is 82 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 2: the schedule. They played a first play schedule last season, 83 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 2: and on the road in particular. 84 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 4: It was murderers Row. 85 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 2: It was crazy what eroad schedule was this coming year, Jeff. 86 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: So now the Lions keep this in mind too the NFC, 87 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 2: the NFC teams get nine home games. It was the 88 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 2: AFC that had nine home games last season. That's something 89 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 2: to keep in mind. You know that one extra home 90 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 2: game could make a difference on a season win total. 91 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 2: Then you look at the last play schedule for the Lions, right, 92 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 2: they had a first play schedule last year. These are 93 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 2: the three games that your first, second, third, or last 94 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 2: play schedule effect. It affects three games, right. So last 95 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 2: year when they played a first play schedule, they got 96 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: Tampa at home, at the Chiefs at the Rams. 97 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 4: Those are three challenging games right there. 98 00:04:58,720 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 3: Right. 99 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 2: This year, playing a last play schedule, this is who 100 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 2: the Lions get. They get the Giants, the Titans, and 101 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 2: at the Cardinals. Okay, and on the top of that, 102 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 2: the divisions they play. They played the NFC South top 103 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: to bottom, not one team with the winning record. 104 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 4: Last season. 105 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 2: They played the AFC East, where you get my pathetic 106 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: Dolphins and the pathetic Jets. Like that's a favorable schedule. 107 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 2: I know their division is hard, but getting to eleven wins. 108 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 2: I love the Lions to get to at least eleven 109 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 2: wins this coming season. 110 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 3: It's so important to look at these schedules because I 111 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 3: remember last year, I mean, the Niners, I love them 112 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 3: over right, because their schedule was so easy last season, 113 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 3: even with the injuries and all and all on, they 114 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 3: were a good football team, right, So that matters so 115 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 3: much here, and the Lions do get a break this 116 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 3: year of having that schedule that allows them to win games. 117 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 3: Even if I just I'm a little concerned about the offense. 118 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 3: He took a step back without Ben Johnson there, which 119 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 3: is certainly fair, right, I don't know if I just 120 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 3: don't know if it's gonna ever bounce back to what 121 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 3: it was. But you have to think that at some 122 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 3: point they stop having all these injuries on defense, right Like, 123 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 3: eventually they're gonna have a season when everyone's everyone's healthy, 124 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 3: and that team's gonna be so much better offensively and 125 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 3: defensively with you know, with with those guys there. So 126 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 3: I I could buy the Lions being an over team. 127 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 3: I don't bet many overs, so I I keep that 128 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 3: menu very small. 129 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 2: Yeah right, right, Well, you know, like we get it, 130 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: what ten teams at ten and a half, clearly a handful. 131 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 4: Of Seattle going over Seattle Seattle ten and a half. 132 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 3: Okay, So my Seattle take is that I think what 133 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 3: we saw with the Lions of Ben Johnson, we're gonna 134 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 3: see with with Kubiaka leaving Seattle and gonna be the 135 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 3: Raiders coach. That's a really big loss for them. 136 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 4: Huge. I hired a tight ends coach. 137 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 3: To be there the forty nine ers. Yeah, and they're 138 00:06:55,160 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 3: saying that Shanahan Tree, which is no surprise obviously. I 139 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 3: they shouldn't side Kenneth Walker to a big deal. They 140 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 3: might use the tradition tag on him or the franchise 141 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 3: TAF so maybe it'll stick around. But you know, just 142 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 3: sort of like lightning in a bottle last year. I 143 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 3: feel like this past year, the defense will still be 144 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 3: as good I would imagine, but they're gonna have to 145 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 3: figure out some guys, sign some guys and replace some 146 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 3: players that division. The RAM is still gonna be good, 147 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 3: The Nyers are gonna be good. Arizona's probably gonna be 148 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 3: pretty bad as they figure out what you know what 149 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 3: to do at quarterback, right But I I feels like 150 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 3: a team that if they're Darnold's ten fifteen percent worse. 151 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 3: The offense isn't as good. You lose a couple of 152 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 3: guys in defensive free agency and you're just not as good. 153 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 3: Next season, that could be a ten and sevent team. 154 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, they have not quite Lions vibes, you know, last 155 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 2: season where their win total is right around the same thing. 156 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 2: I'd have to go back and look, but it's right 157 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 2: around ten and a half, and it's like, man, the Lions. 158 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: They just went fifteen and two. They're not gonna go 159 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 2: over that. And it's like, nope, they didn't, you know, 160 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 2: and Seattle doesn't play as challenging of a schedule. But yeah, 161 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: taking a step back, I would not be shocked at 162 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 2: all if that does happen because they're a marked team. 163 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 2: You know, they're defending champs, so they're not stinking up 164 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 2: on anybody. The one good thing if you're a Seahawks fan, 165 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 2: anybody out there listening, their first play schedule isn't as 166 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 2: daunting as some other first play schedules can be. So 167 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: they get the Bears at home, they get the Patriots 168 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: at home, and they're at the Panthers. 169 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 4: So not as horrible as it could be. 170 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 2: And then you know they get the NFC East top 171 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 2: to bottom AFC West. Top to bottom AFC West is 172 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: pretty good division. 173 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 4: NFC East. I don't know. We'll see if the Commanders 174 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 4: have a resurgence. You know, it's kind of. 175 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 2: A weird division top to bottom Giants could be better, 176 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 2: could be a tougher division, or it could be you know, 177 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 2: pretty Yeah, so this coming season, so we'll see. 178 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 4: But not the worst schedule. Ever. 179 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 2: How about some of the nine to five teams, the Bears. 180 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 2: The Bears are on the auto faced list our producer 181 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 2: Justin Cooper. He messaged me, I noticed you didn't mention 182 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 2: the Broncos yet. Broncos are on the auto fade list. 183 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 2: I believe, right, Jeff Auto. 184 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 3: Here's the thing, the one score game trend essentially right 185 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 3: where one year it's really good, over the next year 186 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 3: it's bad. Every year it holds right, the Broncos last 187 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 3: year with something, I can look it up, but it's 188 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 3: just an insane record in one score games. Yeah, Now 189 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 3: you can make the case maybe they don't play as 190 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 3: many one score games this year because they're better. Well, 191 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 3: I mean the NFL is full one score games. Basically 192 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 3: what every week is h and I just they're just 193 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 3: them and the Bears. Right, the Bears won six games 194 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:46,359 Speaker 3: last season. They were trailing with two minutes left, six games. 195 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 4: Trail, two minutes left, trailing with trailing ttes. 196 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,959 Speaker 3: Yes, he's not gonna happen this, that's I mean, it 197 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 3: looks the thing if you if you flip two of 198 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 3: those games, they're not even a playoff team. 199 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 2: Right, it's right, And it easily could have happened. Easily 200 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 2: could have happened. And man, they just had they had 201 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 2: to going last season. It seems you know, I don't 202 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 2: know if it would take an injury to Caleb Williams 203 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 2: for them to fall off the same way as the 204 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 2: Washington Commanders. But look, man, the Commanders were the toast 205 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 2: of the NFL two seasons ago, made it to the 206 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,839 Speaker 2: NFC Championship Game, and then what They're a five win 207 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 2: team last season, So it can happen. Man, Like all 208 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 2: those one score games, and it wasn't just one score 209 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 2: games with the Bears, like you said, coming back. 210 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 3: It was like yeah, and some insane, insane comebacks they had. 211 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the fortune too, like Jackson Dark got hurt. 212 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 2: You know, when they're playing the Giants at home, and 213 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 2: one thing after another. Man, it was crazy. So they 214 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 2: had the Oh my gosh. Yeah, so I still can't 215 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 2: believe the regular season lost for the Packs and that's wow. 216 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 3: So the Bears would be on my The other team 217 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 3: is like Baltimore. I I don't know. I guess I 218 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 3: don't know. I don't really know what to make a 219 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 3: Baltimore obviously, no Harbaugh, you know, but you know, do 220 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 3: you you know? Lamar obviously is is is there? I 221 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 3: gotta look who I forget off talk about who they 222 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 3: hire his offense coordinator. I don't. I don't know. I 223 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 3: don't know, man, they just the vibes there, I don't. 224 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 3: I just don't. Yeah, I don't think. I don't think 225 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 3: the rosters as good offensively as sort of people want 226 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 3: it to be. 227 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 4: So I don't Just a new head coach could. 228 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 3: Be good, but it's also sort of everyone's favorite higher, right, Oh, 229 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 3: the favorite high favorite higher to me, you know doesn't 230 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 3: always work out. Ten and a half feels high for 231 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 3: them without really knowing some of the roster decisions they 232 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 3: make this offseason. 233 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 2: Oh, it was the former Bears OC Declan Doyle. That's 234 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 2: who they hire. 235 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 3: Who's twenty nine? Never call place right, So as in 236 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 3: called place, you have to start somewhere. I get it, right, 237 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 3: you got to start somewhere, but you're starting with Lamar 238 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 3: Jackson at all. I there's you're getting to a point 239 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 3: now where where you obviously sort of run out of 240 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 3: guys to hire because a lot of the play callers 241 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 3: now are the head coaches. So you're not hiring, right, 242 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 3: you know, a head coach to call plays on your team. 243 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 3: You're just hiring you know him, the coach and the team. 244 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 3: So you have a bunch situations where guys are their 245 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 3: first time calling plays. And again, some of these guys 246 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 3: are aren't are going to be much better, but I 247 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 3: that does concern me a little bit. I could see 248 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 3: I could see a lot of these situations with the 249 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 3: first time play callers that are in season. Overs is 250 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 3: a way to look at these games, these teams where 251 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 3: you just you have to just early on sort of 252 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 3: watch them and see what happens and then grab an 253 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 3: over at some point during the season when sort of 254 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 3: things started start to click a little bit offensively. 255 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt. And that's something to keep in mind too, 256 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 2: where the schedules aren't even released yet, so if you're on. 257 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 2: Let's say you're on an over of a team you 258 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 2: just love. They're over, you might want to wait until 259 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 2: the schedules are released, because if they just have like 260 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 2: a murderer's row of their first three games, and you're like, 261 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,079 Speaker 2: all right, there's a good chance they're one and two 262 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 2: after these three games. If you're on the over, you 263 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 2: might want to wait until those first three weeks come 264 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 2: and go and you get a better number, You get 265 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 2: better juice, like it's worth it. I have no problem 266 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 2: with firing away right now, but there is some value. 267 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 2: If you're like, all right, I like that, I'm leaning 268 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 2: to the over. I'm not running to it, you might 269 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 2: want to wait until you see the schedule. 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Yeah, yeah, yeah, go go for I think 294 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 5: I think it's thirty nine. Yeah, is the is the number, 295 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 5: you know, average score, and so yeah, really what we're 296 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 5: going for. 297 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. 298 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 2: The ending is my favorite point, like the favorite part 299 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 2: of it where you know, Max Crosby is under his 300 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 2: breath like that's crazy, you know, scoring like almost thirty 301 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 2: eight points per game, and Caleb's like, yeah, this is 302 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: where we're going, and they're like okay, good yeah, good 303 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 2: luck with that. This is my favorite part real fast 304 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 2: at the end, Jeff. 305 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 3: Yes, so what we're going for? 306 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, They're like, yeah, all right, good luck, Caleb, and 307 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 2: fun with that. So the Broncos, the twenty thirteen Broncos, 308 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 2: they set the record thirty seven point nine points per game, 309 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 2: so they just have to get to thirty eight. Yeah, yeah, 310 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 2: that's in just I'm easily thirty eight points per game. 311 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 3: We played them. I was in Tannas City that season 312 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 3: we played them, and I remember, I remember this vividly. 313 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 3: There's only a few times I remember, like opposing quarterbacks 314 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 3: throwing the ball right, Like I remember I was on 315 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 3: the sidelines and I think they're running a go route. 316 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 3: It was coming toward me, right, So I'm like standing 317 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 3: the ball like the right receivers coming to where I'm standing, 318 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 3: and the ball was released by Manning. And you know, 319 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 3: by that time, this twenty thirteen, Manning didn't have the 320 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 3: best star by then, right, Remember I had the deck 321 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 3: injury was and I thought and I saw the ball 322 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 3: being filmed, like there's just no chance perfect. It was 323 00:15:58,440 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 3: a perfect pass. 324 00:15:59,280 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 4: Wow. 325 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 3: I remember being like, this is a chance that ball 326 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 3: gets there, just like what are we what are we 327 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 3: doing here? Dude, unbelievable, exactly where it had to be. Wow, 328 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 3: like it was. Remember watching Tom Brady throw the ball 329 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 3: and thinking like the same thing, like, there's not he 330 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 3: had a great arm, but like that, I don't know 331 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 3: I made that throw. That team was really good in 332 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 3: twenty thirteen. We actually almost beating him at home later 333 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 3: in the year. Uh, this close game, but yet I 334 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 3: think I scored thirty five on us Like both games. 335 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 3: That offense was wrong. Look, having goals like this is great. 336 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 3: Absolutely love that the goal is to be as good 337 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 3: as possible. And I don't mind publicly stating those goals. 338 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 3: I really don't, no matter how silly we think they are. 339 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 3: I don't mind him being open about it, because I'm 340 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 3: sure Ben Johnson is open about it right now. It's 341 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 3: going to happen. No, But I like I like, I 342 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 3: like my quarterback especially have some ego, right. I think 343 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 3: you cannot play that position eagleless. I think that's actually 344 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 3: a fault if you actually show no ego whatsoever. That's 345 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,239 Speaker 3: to me, that's impossible to be that good at quarterback 346 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 3: and be a you know, someone who is good, who 347 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 3: aspires to be the best in the league. If you 348 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 3: don't have. That's a little bit of Outphit you right, 349 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 3: and people showed it many different ways. It doesn't always 350 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 3: mean you have to show up by saying it right, Brian, 351 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 3: but you can be about it. But so I personally 352 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 3: like Williams verbalizing that's the goal. I think the goal 353 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 3: is very lofty. I'm not sure it's a goal that 354 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 3: is attainable that maybe you want to pull it back 355 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 3: a little bit to have something more realistic. But the 356 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 3: idea that hey, man like we want to be the best, 357 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 3: we want to be the best. I absolutely like it. 358 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 3: And Williams is a good enough talent to say those things. 359 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 3: They possibly make it happen. Now, there's work to be 360 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 3: done for him, but he's that good. He made plays 361 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 3: last year as we saw that prove that he can 362 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 3: be that quarterback. It just has to work to say 363 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 3: you cannot complete fifty eight percent of passes and be 364 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 3: a team that routinely is going to make deep posts 365 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 3: and runs with that quarterback play. 366 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, listen, I'm pretty much on the same page 367 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 2: with you. I don't have a problem with lofty goals. 368 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 2: I don't have an issue with it. I would if 369 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 2: given the option between you know, the quarterback of my 370 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 2: favorite team saying these things, and the quarterback of my 371 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 2: favorite team just playing it safe all across the board. 372 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 2: I would prefer lofty goals. I don't have an issue 373 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 2: with it where you're reaching high. This is reaching really high. 374 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 2: The only thing that I would say is this is 375 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,239 Speaker 2: the second season in a row where Caleb Williams has 376 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 2: put something out there that could completely blow up in 377 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 2: his face. Remember last offseason it was all these excerpts 378 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 2: and all this stuff. There was this book coming out 379 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 2: with Wickersham right about quarterbacks, and this whole deep dive 380 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 2: on various quarterbacks and you know, their paths to the NFL, 381 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 2: all this stuff. And one of the things about Caleb Williams, 382 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 2: it was all this stuff that he didn't want to be. 383 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 4: Drafted by the Bears. 384 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 2: It's like, bro, why do you give it a Wickersham 385 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 2: these quotes. This is after a rough rookie season and 386 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 2: you know as well as I do, Jeff, if he 387 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 2: didn't step up and play as well as he did 388 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 2: this past season, those comments. 389 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 4: Would have blown up in his face. 390 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's something to say five years after your career, 391 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 2: that's well distinguished and maybe you've got a ring or 392 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 2: two and it's like, yeah, initially I didn't want to 393 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 2: be drafted by the Bears, and it's this fun story. 394 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 2: But going into year two after a struggling rookie season, 395 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 2: when Jaden Daniels was all whorled as the number two 396 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 2: overall pick and you were mediocre at best as the 397 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 2: number one overall pick, I don't think that's the time 398 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,719 Speaker 2: to be stating those things like I didn't even want 399 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 2: to be drafted by the Bears. But he's shown that 400 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 2: he just doesn't care about the pressure or the potential naysayers. 401 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 2: He'll just put stuff out there and he's got supreme confidence. 402 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 4: Man, you can't say he doesn't. 403 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 3: So the thing that I think we have to sort 404 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 3: of not accept but maybe acknowledge more frequently is that 405 00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 3: these gen Z kids just don't operate and think the 406 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 3: same way we do. Brian where calwims group on the Internet, man, 407 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 3: like he's he just doesn't I don't think he cares 408 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 3: like about the perception of saying that he wants to 409 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 3: be this good because they these kids have been the 410 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 3: Internet and saying they see things all the time. It's 411 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 3: like like they're used to just saying things that everywherever 412 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 3: pops their head, they're just gonna put on social media. 413 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 3: I think that that that's a big difference between the 414 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 3: players that maybe we grew up watching that were so 415 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 3: media savvy they didn't say anything, versus like Kill Williams. 416 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 3: He's tweeted his thoughts for years. Obviously before he became, 417 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 3: you know, very popular, he probably did that a lot more. 418 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 3: He said we want it's like, yeah, yeah, we're gonna 419 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 3: go through Oh yeah, I didn't want to be drafted 420 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 3: by the Bears. They're these they're they're more open to 421 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 3: saying things now, and they're used to the media. They're 422 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 3: used to to the reaction that they're gonna get on 423 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 3: certain things. I think that that plays a role, and 424 00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 3: I think some of these young guys how they operate 425 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 3: towards them media. They just really don't care as much 426 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 3: as we used to care about saying things. 427 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you're right. 428 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 2: And it's funny because man, how long did we get 429 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 2: Derek Jeter just very savvy? Just you could tell he's like, oh, 430 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 2: that's a potential landmine. I'm not even gonna answer that question, 431 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 2: and I'm just gonna talk and say random things and 432 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 2: really not even tell you what you're trying to get 433 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 2: me to tell you, right, Like we had that for 434 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 2: like two decades, you know, a steady diet of that, 435 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 2: and now it's it's very much different to your point, 436 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 2: and listen, man, like Caleb just puts stuff out there for. 437 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 3: What we do. 438 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 4: He's a gold mine. 439 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 2: Oh you know, like it was just putting stuff out 440 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 2: there that draws a reaction. And you know, if you're 441 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 2: Ben Johnson or if you're any of his teammates, I 442 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 2: don't think you're like, whoa, Caleb, what are you doing? 443 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 3: Man? 444 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 2: You're putting a target on our chest by saying I 445 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,959 Speaker 2: don't think they're feeling like that at all. If anything, 446 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 2: I think they're like, yeah, let's go, let's do this, 447 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 2: and it could go south at some point in the 448 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 2: season where they're just whatever. They hit a and they're 449 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 2: just not scoring very many points and maybe this gets 450 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 2: thrown in his face. But I respect that he's not 451 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 2: thinking like that, like, oh, I gotta play it safe 452 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 2: and you never know, someone could use this as ammunition. 453 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 4: He's got a lofty goal and he put it out there. 454 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 4: Big deal. 455 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 3: I haven't got and these guys all again they all 456 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 3: have their own podcast, they all have different ways they 457 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 3: communicate with us. Now that they just the honesty, They're 458 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 3: fine with the honesty. They're fine with owning what they said. 459 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 3: They're fine with the pressure being put on them and 460 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 3: kill Williams is I pressure at USC right? He's he 461 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 3: had pressure with the Bears. I mean he's had He's 462 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 3: dealt with this before. These are not new feelings that 463 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 3: he has as a player. So I love the honesty here. 464 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 3: I love the goals. I love him staying the goals. 465 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 3: Will he back it up? Probably not, But I like 466 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 3: that he's thinking about already, like here, this is what 467 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 3: I want to be as a player this year. 468 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a famous Lou Holtz. 469 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 2: I gotta stop saying famous if I can't quite remember 470 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 2: the quote, but Lou Holtz, former Notre Dame head coach, right, 471 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 2: most notably go Irish. Of course, you know, I got 472 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 2: to fit that in there, Jeff. He had a saying 473 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 2: where it was something to the effect of, you know, 474 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 2: reach for good, you achieve average, reach for great, you 475 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 2: achieve good, reach for you know, spectacular, you achieve greatness. 476 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 2: So's the thought is, whatever you're reaching for, you're probably 477 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 2: going to achieve a little bit less than that. So 478 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 2: reach for the stars. You know, that's what he's saying, basically, 479 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 2: And that's certainly what Caleb Williams is doing. And if 480 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 2: they don't surpass the Broncos, which by the way, they 481 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 2: won't the twenty thirteen Broncos, what if they are one 482 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 2: of the top scoring offenses. What if they're top five, 483 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 2: what if they're top ten in the history of the league, Like, 484 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 2: that's a big deal. 485 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 4: That could be a huge deal for the Bears. 486 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 2: So even if they don't get there, just reaching that 487 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 2: high it could serve them very well. 488 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and 489 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, var Arrington and 490 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific. 491 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 4: So I'm excited. 492 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 2: I'm fired up, you, Jeff, fired up for the NBA 493 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 2: to b bag. You can be honest with you and 494 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 2: say no, not at all, not whatsoever. 495 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 3: Well, I'm always honest with you. I would I lie. No, 496 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 3: I don't care. I've made this very clear for years. 497 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 3: There is no sport that has a bigger difference in 498 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 3: play from the regular season to the postseason. I watch 499 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 3: every NBA postseason game. We we text all the entire time, 500 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 3: but about you know, zig zag sports wagering, right, how 501 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 3: we do on player props. But I cannot have a 502 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 3: worse NBA posting than had last year that I'm looking 503 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 3: forward to probably be just a lot of averages being 504 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 3: better this year on some of those bets and and 505 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 3: and so there's just there's just a care factor and 506 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 3: I want to that's different the postseason. And look, I 507 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 3: mean again, you can watch in the regular season, lea 508 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 3: who watch the final week in the regular season and 509 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 3: then put on the postseason, looks like two different games 510 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 3: are being played. Yeah, yeah, sure, And I just wait now, 511 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 3: there are some good storylines obviously the horn with the 512 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 3: Hornets are doing right, like they're like, who's gonna end 513 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 3: up being the best team out of the East. I 514 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 3: mean it looks like the Pistons. But just like there's 515 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 3: some there's some fun storylines, right, is Tatum coming back 516 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 3: on the Celtic's gonna you know, be even better? They're 517 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 3: playing much better there, and there's some fun storylines the NBA. 518 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 3: I totally understand that, right, But the fact is, like 519 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 3: I don't invest much time in it because when the 520 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 3: posters comes, it's a whole different ballgame, right, The game 521 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 3: is different, you know, the the way that the guys 522 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 3: play defense every night is different. You know, the the 523 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 3: ability to win some of these games becomes different. And 524 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 3: so I just don't put much. And it's the NBA. 525 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 3: It's it's the fall of the league. And I've said 526 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 3: this for a while now, Brian, and everyone talks about, 527 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 3: you know, the root cause of some of the tanking 528 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 3: and some of the lack of caring. People want to 529 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 3: put blame on Adam Silver absolutely deserves blame. The league 530 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 3: deserves blame for that. But it's the players, right, It's 531 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 3: it's a culture the NBA. If they wanted to play 532 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 3: every night and it mattered to them to play, they 533 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 3: play every night. They would if it mattered to them 534 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 3: enough to play every night, if it mattered to the 535 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 3: players enough to tell your coach, hey, man, I'm not 536 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 3: saying out a fourth quarter of a close game. Yeah, 537 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 3: they played the fourth quarter of a close game like 538 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 3: I and they would. They would. And the players, for 539 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 3: whatever reason, maybe because they figured it out that if 540 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 3: you play less games, you're you're presher for the postseason 541 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 3: and certain the NBA schedule could be part of the 542 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 3: discussion as well. But the thing that comes down to 543 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 3: is the NBA has set up a system that promotes tanking, right. 544 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 3: It promotes players taking nights off to get ready, you know, 545 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,719 Speaker 3: for whatever, to rest your body. If they didn't want 546 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 3: to do it as players, they wouldn't do it. But 547 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 3: that's what they do right now. That's the culture of 548 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 3: the NBA. 549 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, a couple of things here. 550 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 2: The first part is I don't want to make this 551 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 2: college basketball versus the NBA because I love both, and 552 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 2: you can you can, like, you know, contractually, you can 553 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 2: love both. You don't have to hate one and love 554 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 2: the other. 555 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 3: And you know, I do love those colleg football tweets 556 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 3: during the playoffs like, man, nothing better than this, And 557 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 3: then the NFL has like seven better playoff games. 558 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, like wild Card weekend. It's a bunch of lead 559 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 2: changes in the fourth quarter. It was amazing. 560 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 3: Wildid better than Indiana Miami. I don't know the seven 561 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 3: NFL games the next day that were. 562 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 2: Better, right, yeah, yeah, but yeah, you can love both 563 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 2: like I love the NFL, love college football, I love boxing. 564 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 4: Mma, I'm great with you don't have to hate. 565 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 3: One the Gina Serrano. 566 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 4: Yeah right, our guy Ronda Rousey, you know. 567 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 3: Just be fought in like eighteen years, right. 568 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 5: I know. 569 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 2: It's like both it's crazy both of them, like they've 570 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 2: been gone for a long time. Like that's a whole 571 00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 2: side issue where they're gonna get extra careful like medical attention. 572 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 2: Ronda Rousey made some comments where she had a bunch 573 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 2: of concussions that she had to hide and they're putting 574 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,880 Speaker 2: all these yeah tests and yeah, they're doing a whole 575 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 2: thing with that fight. But it'd be cool. Yeah, Like 576 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 2: Gina hasn't fought. She's forty and she hasn't fought since like. 577 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 4: Oh six or something pro nine. Insane. 578 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 2: But they're gonna they're gonna get it on. I'm excited 579 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 2: for that. But you can love boxing, MMA, you don't 580 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 2: have to love one and hate the other. 581 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 3: Correct. 582 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 2: So this isn't like I love the NBA hate college basketball. 583 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,479 Speaker 4: I love them both. But the thing is the effort. 584 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 2: Thing is it's important to mention this because listen, it's 585 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 2: gonna sound like I'm bailing them out. I don't mean 586 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 2: this at all. They used to play eighty two games. 587 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 2: It wasn't an issue all of a sudden, it's become 588 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 2: you know, like backbreaking to play eighty two games at 589 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 2: a high level. I just don't buy it. It's just 590 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 2: the effort level isn't the same. But if you're comparing 591 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 2: the NBA to college basketball, eighty two games versus thirty 592 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 2: two ish games, you know what I mean, huge difference. Yeah, 593 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,479 Speaker 2: forty eight minutes versus forty minutes. So the thing that 594 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 2: bothers me when I hear college basketball guy talk, it's like, oh, 595 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 2: they get full effort, and it's like, cause they play 596 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 2: fifty fewer games, dude, and they're playing eight fewer minutes 597 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 2: per night, Like, come on, you gotta cut some corners 598 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 2: a little bit if that's the workload. So it's just 599 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 2: it annoys me when I hear that. When listen, college 600 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 2: basketball guy loves college basketball and will trash the NBA 601 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 2: and some of the comments, I'm like, bro, you realize 602 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 2: what you're saying right now, it's not apples to apples 603 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 2: at all. You think college kids are given the same 604 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 2: effort eight more minutes per night, fifty more. 605 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 4: Games, There's no way they would. They couldn't. 606 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 3: So Lebron has talked about the NBA is harder now 607 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 3: than it was when he entered. And I do wonder 608 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 3: if that's just a function of a few things. Right, 609 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 3: One is that the pace of games now, right, the scoring, 610 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 3: it's a lot more running, I would imagine, just like 611 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 3: back and forth, back and forth. 612 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, we. 613 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 3: Often see, you know, the pace of these games. So 614 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 3: I can understand maybe that being a legitimate concern then 615 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 3: of course, like just you know, the the style of 616 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,239 Speaker 3: game as well, right, being being part of it, and 617 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 3: the AAU basketball stuff. These guys are playing so many 618 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 3: games at early age. That's why, I mean, you should 619 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 3: not tear your achilles at twenty seven years old, right, 620 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 3: And I do wonder if all the things I mentioned 621 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 3: is sort of the reason why. So I can buy 622 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 3: the idea that the game is tougher to play now 623 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 3: just physically speaking than it was years going. Look, we're 624 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 3: not that far removed from an eighty three seventy nine 625 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 3: NBA game seven, Like we're not that long ago, right, 626 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 3: that was the way that you know, the way the 627 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 3: style of game was played. So I can buy some 628 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 3: of those things as far as Okay, this is the 629 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 3: reason why you know, the we're taking nights off, but 630 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 3: the NBA has to address all these problems. I'll tell 631 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 3: you why. There's many reasons for it. But look, I 632 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 3: feel like I'm the consumer the NBA sort of wants, right, 633 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 3: Like I have income to take my family to games. 634 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 3: I have the me I have the means to watch 635 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 3: the NBA. I'm a sports fan. I like, maybe I 636 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 3: have a two wagers on a on a women's bronze 637 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 3: medal game here in thirty. 638 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 4: Minutes gonna and you're a gambler. Even better for the NBA. 639 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 3: I think the NBA like want would like me to 640 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 3: be an NBA fan. But if I go purchase Hornets tickets, 641 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 3: which are too expensive, by the way, for how well 642 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 3: they they normally play, that's another whole story. And I 643 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 3: purchased tickets to watch someone play, right, normally I watch. 644 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 3: I purchased to watch someone else play. One year I 645 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 3: purchased Laker tickets. Lebron and a d both did not play. 646 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 3: I'm just not doing it again. Yeah, I'm not doing 647 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 3: it again. 648 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 4: Totally get it. 649 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not buying tickets to watch the Hornets anyone 650 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 3: play if I can't guarantee the stars are going to play. 651 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 3: And so that is a major problem NBAS to fix 652 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 3: now of course, you know, the taking part of it 653 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 3: as a whole nother story. You know, do I want 654 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 3: to pay two huns to watch the Hornets play someone 655 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 3: who's not trying to win? 656 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 4: No? Like, no, you're not gonna want to do that. 657 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 3: And so you know we we I don't mean you 658 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 3: were texting about you know, some NBA win totals. Uh 659 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 3: for well, we talked about I think suned out the 660 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 3: Hornets or a team. I looked at it like are 661 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 3: they really going to go sixteen and twelve? And then 662 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 3: so it was right to go over. When you look 663 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 3: at the schedule, there's like eight games against teams that 664 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 3: are taking and you're like, well, then they have to win. Now, 665 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 3: they just have to win, you know, you know, basically 666 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 3: half of their games, right, They're half of the remaining games, right? Yeah? 667 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 3: And do you want your league talking about this? You know, 668 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 3: taking used to be the last sort of you know, 669 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 3: seventy games, seventy eight, seventy nine. Now we're doing in 670 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 3: the middle of February. It's bad. The transition from NFL, right, 671 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 3: we're watching NFL, NFNFL. Now we're watching you know, you know, 672 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 3: NBA and the storyline is the Jazz just are sitting 673 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 3: stars in the fourth court like legitimate, like got so aba. 674 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 3: There's I mean, many solutions we could talk about, but 675 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 3: they got all. 676 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 2: This has to be fixed, it has to be. It 677 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 2: can't be the way your league operates where it's just 678 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 2: embarrassing and it really it takes all the focus away 679 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 2: from everything else. We're not gonna talk about the games 680 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 2: and the players as much. 681 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 4: The story. The main story, like. 682 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 2: You know, page one if you're doing the old newspaper thing, 683 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 2: is tanking. That's the lead story. That is so bad 684 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 2: for your league to have that as the lead lead 685 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 2: story where literally like a third of the league is tanking. 686 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 2: Tanking is a nice word to describe intentionally throwing games, 687 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 2: you know, like that's what they're that's what tanking is. 688 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 2: Tanking just sounds like, ah, it does, no big deal. 689 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 2: It's like, no, it is a big deal. They're intentionally 690 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 2: trying to lose on purpose, that's what's happening. And like 691 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 2: about ten teams or nine teams are doing this. That's 692 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 2: almost a third of your league. That just can't be 693 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 2: the way the league operates. And it's this star studded draft, 694 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 2: this freshman class is insane, and so there's depth there, 695 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 2: and all these teams are like, well, we should just 696 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 2: lose games. 697 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 4: That's the best path toward. 698 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 2: Like listen, I get why teams would want a tank, 699 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 2: it's a star studied draft, but the NBA can't allow it. 700 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 2: I get why kids want to eat ice cream for dinner, 701 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 2: but as a parent. 702 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 4: You can't allow that. It's on the league to not 703 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 4: allow that to take place. And they allow it that. 704 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 4: They can't be the way. 705 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 3: If my kids wanted, they would, you know, they eat 706 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 3: ice creamery real and you have to of course, you 707 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 3: have to be. And so this is where now we've 708 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 3: talked about the commissioner, right, because I think the players 709 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 3: that's a culture problem first, right, And Steph Curry had 710 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,359 Speaker 3: a quote it all start break that basically was like 711 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,839 Speaker 3: just kind of like about like the taking, well are 712 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 3: still playing like the players of God think responsibility for this, 713 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,439 Speaker 3: right right. David Starr would never let this happen. 714 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 4: Never now. 715 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 3: And yeah, I I'm a former player, I am pro player, 716 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 3: but I understand the business of things. I understand sometimes 717 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 3: you have to have a heavy hand as a commissioner. 718 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 3: And Adam Silver is way to player friendly. It's just 719 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 3: it's it's weight, it's just it's if he wanted to 720 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 3: stop this, it would be done now. I do not 721 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 3: buy the story that came out this week that somehow 722 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 3: gambling companies are telling him to stop the tanking. That 723 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,760 Speaker 3: what oh, because unders are hitting. I'm sad that unders 724 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 3: keep hitting. No, he stopped it because it's the integrity 725 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 3: of the game problem. Look the NFL, for good or 726 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 3: for worse, they care about one thing, the integrity of 727 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 3: the game, right, and they make their punishments for infractions 728 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 3: based around that. We talk about this a lot. How 729 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 3: it seems that you know, you know, there's harsher penalties 730 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 3: for placing a parlay than punching a woman, right, And 731 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 3: the reason for that is because the NFL views gambling 732 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 3: on their sport as an integrity issue. Unfortunately, because view 733 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 3: punching a woman the same way. I disagree on that, 734 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 3: but that's what the NFL. It's how the NFL have 735 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 3: us it and the NBA does not seem to view 736 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 3: anything along the same lenses where they where they view 737 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 3: they tegerate, they don't. They're a players league, right, or 738 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 3: do what the players want to do. I think they 739 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,280 Speaker 3: need to start being an integrity of the game league 740 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 3: and stop having taking and stop having a situation where 741 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 3: you just sit your starters in the fourth quarter. Yeah, 742 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 3: it's like it's not even like they're not even trying 743 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 3: to hide what they're doing.