WEBVTT - The LA Anti-ICE Protests 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:07.720 All the media, welcome to it could happen here, a 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:11.720 podcast about it happening here, which, if you are paying 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:16.120 attention to the news today is Los Angeles, not just LA, 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:18.759 but largely LA right now, which over the course of 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:21.400 the last couple of days while we were off for 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:27.000 the weekend, has broken out into a series of protests 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:31.040 and cop riots that are kind of consuming national news. 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:35.800 The federal government has activated the California National Guard and 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:40.919 asserted federal control over them. Governor Newsom is kind of 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:43.479 pushing back against that, although not in a way that 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:46.680 I am convinced or I've seen any evidence of matters 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:50.120 at this point. The United States Marines, a group of 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:52.320 I think about five hundred from Camp Pendleton, which is 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:56.120 down near San Diego, have been activated as well, which 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:59.120 is a probable violation of Passe coma tadas, So that 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:01.120 was kind of unclear to me the extent which they're 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:03.920 in the theater at this point. Largely, all of these 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:09.440 actions have been ineffective in making the protests go away 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:12.360 at this point. What sparked them was a series of 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:16.200 ice raids that took about two thousand people into custody 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:20.000 and brought a bunch of Los Angelinos out in Paramount, 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:24.600 California who were met by the police, the LAPD providing 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:29.880 crowd control to Homeland Security HSI agents. Yeah, and that's 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:31.840 the gist of what went down. Things have just kind 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:35.080 of escalated from there. Yesterday, probably four to six thousand 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:37.560 people in the street as opposed to five hundred or 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:40.440 so the day before. So things have continued to escalate 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:45.640 and the LAPD and their police have had no real 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:49.840 luck in containing the demonstrations. We'll see how long that 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:53.080 situation lasts. But yeah, that's where we are right at 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:56.040 this second. More or less, things are continuing to evolve today, 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:59.240 will have evolved since yep. 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:01.760 Yeah, a way, we're recording this on Monday. This will 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:05.600 probably coming out like Monday night, Tuesday morning, so who 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:07.880 fucking knows what will have happened by then. This is 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:11.840 like about one pm Pacific time when we're recording this. 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:15.120 I want to start also by going back to that 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:18.960 National Guard deployment, because the federalized National Guard deployment is 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:23.160 hideously illegal. Oh yeah, like unbelievably illegal. I cannot emphasize enough. 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:26.320 This is like constitution shatteringly illegal. Yeah, and the way 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:29.040 this is being reported in the media is fucking hideous. 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:32.120 They are just straight up lying about it. So okay, 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:36.240 So Trump has not declared the Insturruction Act yet, right. 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:41.880 No, they activated a directive that Trump signed cited ten 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:46.440 USC one two four six, which is a specific provision 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:49.480 within Title ten if the US Code on Armed Services, 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.760 that provision allows, or part of that provision allows for 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:56.720 the federal government to deploy National Guard forces quote, if 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:59.240 there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion against 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:01.120 the authority of the Guard of the United States. 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:02.160 So basically, the. 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:05.040 Claim being made by the administration here was that the 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:07.920 federalization of the California Guard was justified by the fact 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:11.120 that the people of Los Angeles, which at the point 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.720 this was done was somewhere less than a thousand. 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:15.800 Of them five hundred people, Yeah. 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:19.360 And were an open rebellion because they had yelled at 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:22.280 a bunch of vice officers for a while. That was 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:23.320 the situation. 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:23.800 Yeah. 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:27.399 Well, and also it's worth noting too, even if there 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:31.399 was a rebellion, which there isn't, he also can't use 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:35.200 that section because it's in coordination with the governor. You 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:37.200 could only do what if the governor is working with 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:40.920 you and the governor, like Newsom is being a real 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:41.880 piece of shit about this. 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:46.520 For again, like the president, the LAPD has been yeah. 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:47.120 But it's like he's been sitting the LPD up, but 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:49.839 he hasn't given permission for the federal government to use 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:52.720 the California National Guard. They're just doing it, right, This 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:56.840 is like they've just stolen a state national Guard. And 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.840 newsroom's response has been because he fucking hates protesters, so 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:00.720 has been. 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:03.520 Like, oh, this is bad. 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:05.240 Am, I gonna like do anything about the fact that, 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:08.680 like again, every single law about how the National Guard 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:10.280 is supposed to be used, it's just been torn the 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:14.160 fuck up. Yeah, no, like fucking MPR and like a 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:16.200 bunch of the mation media reporting about this has just 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:18.800 been saying that, oh, well, he used this provision and 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:22.200 it's like, no, he didn't. Like he did not He 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:25.680 explicitly every single part of the thing that lets you 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:28.120 use this provision, none of the conditions have been fulfilled, 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:29.400 which means he's not using it. 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:31.480 He's just saying shit and doing it. 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:33.120 Yeah, that's exactly right. 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:35.200 And the activation of the US Marines is based on 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:39.240 like heg Seth posted a tweet being like I've got 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:43.159 marines ready in Camp Pendleton, which like there's absolutely no 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:46.960 constitutional justification for no, especially since the National Guard had 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:51.000 just been put in for deploying active duty US marines 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:54.560 into this situation. Absolutely not, it's all super like. For 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.279 one thing, the situation that they're in right now in 0:04:57.360 --> 0:04:59.080 terms of like what we've seen from the National Guard 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:03.240 yesterday was like they're not very effective at this, right. 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:07.120 They fairly quickly after being deployed started using, you know, 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:10.479 firing impact munitions at the crowd, attacking the crowd in 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:12.560 the same way that the LPD had done. Nothing That 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:15.719 was like, I would say, an escalation beyond how the 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:18.239 fucking cops were active. 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:18.680 Right. 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:23.200 But National Guard is bad at handling these kinds of things, right, 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:26.599 Their force organization is not meant to be able to 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:28.320 be split up into small enough units the way the 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:31.799 cops are in enough areas, Like they're just not mint 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:34.600 for this sort of thing. It's not how they're meant 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:37.360 to be deployed to counteract protests, So you wind up 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:40.120 just kind of keeping them in this big blob of 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:43.039 guys who you don't have good Like they're sleeping on 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:47.520 floors in government buildings, right, now because the quartering Act exists, 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:50.240 which is amazing, and because there's not much in the 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:53.720 way of organization behind deploying them, and they don't know 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:56.200 they're not there. I mean, neither are the police generally 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:59.599 well trained with their impact munitions, but these guys certainly aren't. 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:02.080 And they freak out at the drop of a hat, 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:05.320 like they're like worse at it than the LAPD, and 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:06.360 the LAPD is. 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:09.240 You know, not good at it, They're just good at 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:09.880 hurting people. 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.240 So you've just kind of got this large, brittle group 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:15.040 of guys who you can plunk down in an area 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:20.160 while protesters continue to gather in groups all around the city. 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:23.800 And the more stories of shit like a blob of 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:27.119 National guardsmen fucking up protesters you get, the more people 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:30.120 are coming out and the less controllable the situation becomes. 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:32.839 And it seems like we're seeing the very beginning stages 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.600 of people actually learning tactical lessons from twenty twenty and 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:39.240 twenty twenty four with the pala Sign encampments. Yeah, which 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:41.680 is like, yeah, like, if you concentrate all of your 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:44.560 people in one spot, police departments are very very good 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:46.520 at massing the whole bunch of people and rolling you over. 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:48.919 I mean, we've known this since twenty twenty. If you 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:50.640 are at a whole bunch of different spots at the 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:52.520 same time, they're terrible at responding to that. And that's 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:55.360 kind of what's been happening. Yeah, there's been a bunch 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:58.800 of protests popping up in different places. It's been very 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:01.919 effective at sort of like preventing that kind of like 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:06.760 one giant Sweet mobilizations that were like destroying the student encampments. 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:11.880 Yeah, and I'm looking at based on reporting from CBS News, 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:14.680 about seven hundred US Marines have been activated from the 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:18.680 twenty nine Palms base near San Diego, which is, per 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:21.760 Jim Laporta, who's a defense reporter, widely considered to be 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:23.600 one of the worst bases to be stationed at in 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:27.640 the entire military, are being deployed to Los Angeles right now. 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:28.760 So that's just great. 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:29.400 Yeah. 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.000 Someone asked Trump what would it take for him to 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:35.920 use to authorize the deployment of the US military on 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:38.760 American soil, and he said, that's just that's up to me, 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:39.280 which is. 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:40.120 Not how any of this works. 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:43.160 Yeah, like that's just pure military dictatorship stuff. If Trump 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:45.640 is just able to like use the military just do 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:48.400 whatever the fuck he wants. That is just that is 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:51.800 the constitution gone. That is the pretense of democracy gone. 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:56.240 It is real bad. Now it hasn't happened yet, but 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:59.600 there has been a bunch of extremely alarming. 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:00.000 Other shit that's happened. 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:05.560 So the cops arrested the president of California SEIU, which 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:07.880 is the Service Workers Union in California, a very very 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:12.760 large union, not a super billetant one. 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:15.400 No, And David Huerta isn't who you'd call like a 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:17.200 particularly militant leftist. 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:19.840 No, he's just like he's just like a kind of 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:22.120 like a Democratic Party labor guy. And they just like 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.800 arrested him outside of outside of one of the initial 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:28.080 protests where he was injured him quite badly too. Yeah, yeah, 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:30.240 like beat the shit out of him. And then he's 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:33.760 still being held in in a federal detention building. They're 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:37.360 they're they're charging him with with federal felony conspiracy to 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:40.280 impede an officer. And again, this is this is the 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:42.200 this is the head of like one of the largest 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:43.199 unions of California. 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.040 No, and they're they're justifying it in part based on 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:49.120 the charging documents because they saw him texting on his 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:51.880 phone outside and assumed he was texting to like a 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:53.080 protester to give them. 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:55.640 More Yes, right, Like it's like fucking courtoon clown shit. 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:58.320 But like the actual effect of this again is that 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:00.679 they have like one of they they have like the 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:02.800 president of one of the largest unions in the state, 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:06.560 like yes, in a federal detention building. So, I mean 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:09.000 there's obviously been like unions are pissed about it. There 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:11.360 hasn't been any kind of large scom mobilization from them yet. 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:13.120 But if there was one possible thing you could do 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:16.760 to actually get Seiu outfit's ass and like show up 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:20.280 to shit, it's this. We don't know exactly what's going 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:22.360 to happen. The reporting that I've seen so far has 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:25.280 suggested that there is actually a kind of heartening degree 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:29.199 of cross union support for like, holy shit, the Feds 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:31.480 like just grabbing the president of a union is in 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:35.520 fact bad. We're gonna have to see exactly how that 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:38.520 plays out. But like he's still fucking in there. Maxine 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:41.560 Walters like tried to enter the facility to check on him. 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:43.280 This has happened with a bunch of different Congress people 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:45.720 who tried to enter this one in LA and a 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:48.040 couple of other tension facilities. They are all being denied, 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:49.800 which is unhinged. 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:53.240 Yeah, especially since they have oversight over facilities like this. 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:54.280 Yeah. 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:56.960 Other news from today that's just come out in the 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:00.800 last less than a day, the government has deployed m 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:03.520 Q nine reapers. I think at least two of them 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:07.120 over Los Angeles. These are the drones that are that 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:10.400 we were using overseas to shoot hell fire missiles of people. 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:11.800 That's not what they're being used for here. They're being 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:12.720 used for surveillance. 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:15.480 The last time this was done was in Minneapolis in 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:18.559 twenty twenty ye. Outside of their use for surveillance over 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:22.760 the border, but there's MQ nine's over an American city 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:26.360 surveilling protesters. Speaking of that, there's also just been like 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:29.479 the threat of surveillance being used against protesters. 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:29.719 Kind of. 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:35.080 The most chilling example from yesterday was an LAPD helicopter 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:38.280 flying low over a crowd, shining a spotlight on them 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:41.360 and saying like I've seen, we can see all of you. 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:43.600 We're going to come. I'm going to come to your 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:46.679 houses later, like you're all on camera and I'm cut, 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:48.800 Like specifically, I'm going to cut. We're coming to your 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:49.520 houses later. 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:50.880 Yeah it's police state shit. 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:53.520 Like, yeah, it's police state shit. Now do I believe 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:56.920 that they actually have the ability to know? They don't actually, 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:58.280 but yeah. 0:10:58.080 --> 0:10:58.480 That's aid. 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:00.400 Like where if you're going to one of these protest, 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:04.040 wear a fucking mask, yes, like I don't know, like 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:08.200 both for COVID, but like also Jesus fucking Christ, Like 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:13.200 they're flying petat trouts over these protests, like wear masks. 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:17.920 Good lord, do you know what else wants you to 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:18.679 buy masks? 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:19.200 Yeah? 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:33.400 The products and services that support this podcast perhaps, and we're. 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:36.280 Yees. 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:38.960 So I also want to talk a bit about the 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:41.920 specific conditions that caused all of this stuff, because I 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:45.640 think the reporting on it has been really bad. So 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:49.640 there were two thousand arrests from ICE on Tuesday. They 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:51.679 rested two thousand people on Wednesday. I think these are 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:55.000 like national numbers, the numbers like very specifically in LAS 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:58.360 are at least several hundred people have been being held 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:02.160 in just horrory find conditions. You know, some of them 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:04.000 are being held in federal attention centers, but they're also 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:05.800 just being held in like the basements of these fucking 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:08.480 buildings because there's not enough room to hold this many people, 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:10.560 you know, I mean, even the conditions and the regular 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:11.680 attention center are terrible. 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:12.600 But like the. 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:15.040 Immigration lawyers who people were able to reach and talk to, 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:17.720 are talking about hundreds of people in rooms designed for thirty. 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:22.480 There's no cots, They're sleeping on the ground. Sickness is spreading, 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:26.400 there's not enough food or water. Conditions are fucking horrifying. 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:29.320 A lot of the people who are in there, you know, 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:31.000 the ones that we've been able to get any kind 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:33.160 of contact with from their lawyers. A lot of these 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:36.080 people cannot be deported because there are people who have 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:39.679 been granted stay of deportation by the US government, which 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:42.040 means they cannot be deported. But I said, just fucking 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:42.640 kidnapped them. 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:43.240 Anyways. 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:46.679 There's videos you can see from the protesters outside the buildings, 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:50.120 and there's something I remember from Occupy Ice in twenty 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:54.240 eighteen that's just fucking harrowing, is that, like, when you're 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:58.160 outside these buildings, sometimes you can hear the people inside shouting, 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:01.920 and it's fucking harrowing. And with these ones, there's a 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:03.880 bunch of videos if you can see that the people 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:06.720 inside the buildings are trying to like shine lights out 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.120 of windows so that people know that they're inside. 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:11.520 It's fucking horrifying. 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:13.839 And I think, just how bad this is, Like how 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:15.920 bad it was that like all of these fucking people 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:19.800 in their fucking tanks just rolled up and started kidnapping people. 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:22.520 Has just kind of been lost in all of this 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.360 discourse about the protest is like, no, this is what 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:27.800 was happening, Like this is straight up soldiers are just 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:29.880 taking people in the night, Like that's what this is, 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:33.559 you know, And this has been happening all over. There 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:36.040 was also a huge sort of protests have started at 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:39.360 this home depot where okay, so this is where this 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:41.400 is where we would get into the point where like 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:44.880 it's kind of difficult to see what's going on. Ice 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.120 claims that they were just staging a bunch of people 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:50.200 the private whole ind Security said to the BBC that 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:53.080 there was no raid on this home depot planned and 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:55.960 that they were just staging there. I don't believe that, 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:58.480 because these people lie for a living. It is their job. 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:01.240 They are police. It is their job as a cop 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:03.600 to lie to you. It is a constitutionally protected thing 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:05.400 that they have according to the Supreme Court, which is 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:09.960 absolutely ridiculous. But I am pretty sure they're lying about that. 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:12.120 But regardless, there's you know, like their approaches started up 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:15.199 and then like the cops just started tear gassing the 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:19.480 people who were protesting. Yep, this massive rage at a 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:20.240 home depot. 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:24.280 Now there was another kind of noteworthy event is when 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:28.120 Ice showed up in force they got There were kind 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:32.440 of two different actions. There was one down at a 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:36.280 federal building where people attacked and dissembled barricades at the 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:39.520 same time as people showed up to go after the 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:44.880 ICE caravan. Ice officers were pelted in their vehicles with 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:47.360 a number of objects yea. And again this is the 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:49.760 kind of thing that makes it a lot more difficult. 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:50.280 I mean that just. 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:53.640 Appears operational operationally to be true for them to crack 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:57.560 down when they're expecting, you know, action in one direction 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:00.120 and it comes in multiple at the same time. There 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:02.840 was another instance earlier in the protest where ICE officers 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:05.400 were surrounded by a crowd and cut off for about 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:08.400 eight hours while the LAPD refused to respond to them, 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:11.240 and they eventually had to land a black Hawk on 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:13.720 the street in order to resupply because they were out 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:17.080 of water and I think running low on munitions which 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:21.640 they then used with reckless abandon So yeah, there's also 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:24.080 as I'm looking right now, just as about two hours ago, 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:28.400 a US Marine Age one z viper attack helicopter was 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:31.920 filmed flying low over Los Angeles. So it looks like 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:35.720 we've got active duty US Marine Corps forces in the city. 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:38.680 Unclear if they're directly engaging with anyone. I haven't really 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:40.960 heard of a lot of activity today, but yeah. 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:46.440 Yeah, my guess is things will intensify, you know, as 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:48.440 the day goes on and as we sort of roll 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:51.240 into night, because some people sort of start getting off 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:53.040 work and when temperatures start coming down a bit. 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:56.640 That's the open question right as to like what's going 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:59.920 to happen. The last couple of days we saw numbers escalate, 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:03.640 but now it's Monday, people have work and there's more true. 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:05.600 It's like, yeah, it's not clear to me that that's 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:06.640 going to happen, that this. 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:08.960 Is going to be like a yeah, we'll see. 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:11.360 I'm seeing a lot of early comparisons to twenty twenty, 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:13.480 and it's not clear to me that's going to happen. 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:15.800 One thing to note is that kind of at the top. 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:17.760 So far, we've had four to six thousand people out 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:21.080 in the street in La Yeah, which is not you know, 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:23.400 compared to twenty twenty numbers. And while we've seen some 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:25.960 sympathy demonstrations, I mean here in Portland, I don't think 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:28.720 it got larger than forty or so people. There was another, 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:31.680 you know somewhere less than one hundred people in San 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:34.720 Francisco that some a good chunk of them got. 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:36.160 Kettled the other day. 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:40.640 But not mass demonstrations yet in other cities. 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:42.400 Yeah, Yeah, it hasn't. 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:45.720 It hasn't like really kicked off everywhere yet. And it's 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:47.920 also interesting because like these protests are kind of coming 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:52.240 off of the back of a couple of like scattered things. 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:55.400 We talked about this on executive disorder, but there was 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:59.840 a there was a very big confrontation in Minneapolis last 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:02.960 there's another one in Chicago where they like attacked a 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:07.320 bunch of Chicago aldermen, which was a time. The way 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:09.560 it's been going is like you get a giant rage 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:11.560 and it pisses people off, and there's a flare up, 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:13.919 and the flour ups have been getting larger but it 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:18.120 hasn't been like a sustained thing. It's largely been reactive 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:22.320 to these kind of large raids, and you know that's 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:25.040 not necessarily like the recipe for a sustained thing. However, 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:29.360 come the term administration, their target goal for the number 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:32.640 of arrests a day is three thousand, so like they're 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:36.199 trying to intensify the number of rage they're doing and 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:40.520 how sort of like aggressive and like militant they are. 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:43.639 And I think that might be a thing that causes 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:45.640 this to accelerate as we go, as we head into 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:48.720 like next weekend, because if they're still doing this right, 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:51.679 like if feds are if suddenly like like hundreds of 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:54.760 FEDS are in Chicago again and they're like grabbing people 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:58.440 out of like Logan Square, right, or you know, they're 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:00.760 they're trying they're doing this in like in New York, 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:03.199 they're doing this in like other places, I think it 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:08.280 could start to escalate, But right now it's still very 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:09.080 much unclear. 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:11.960 Yeah, I mean, and that's where I stand too on 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:15.159 this is like I don't actually know what's going to 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:18.679 happen with this demonstration, but I think that, you know, 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:23.119 one possibility is certainly that this continues to escalate and 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:25.240 that you just get more and more people out consistently, 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:27.760 the others that it kind of peters out from this point. 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:31.480 If it continues to escalate, then the state is or 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:35.040 the FEDS are in a situation where they have committed 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:38.560 to continuing the escalation chain and there's not much for 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:41.600 them to go once they've got active duty soldiers in 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:45.200 the streets, but just actually shooting at people with live rounds, 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:49.440 assuming that they can't stop the demonstrations with a show 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:53.879 of force, and likewise, there's not much else for people 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:56.720 to do but either back down and stop coming out, 0:18:57.200 --> 0:19:00.000 at which point the administration will take a victory lap 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:02.120 and say that like, look, this works, and this will 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:05.159 become their standard go to whenever a city erupts is 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:10.760 immediately nationalize the state National Guard, bring out live troops. Right, 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:13.280 that's what will happen everywhere. That's going to become the 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:18.679 new norm. Or people will continue escalating and yeah, like 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:21.440 in that case, the situation is like do people escalate 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:24.520 to deploying more force, do they have that real option 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:29.280 right or does the kind of stress of responding with 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:32.600 that sort of force, largely with soldiers that this is 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:35.280 not the primary thing they signed up to do. Do 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:37.959 they start like stop obeying orders? You know, these are 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:42.000 the kind of things that we would then be looking 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:45.040 at to see, right, Like, that's kind of where there's 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:47.120 a couple of different places it can go from here. 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:47.719 You know. 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:52.040 Another possibility is that, like if we see an instance 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:54.560