1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: All the media, welcome to it could happen here, a 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: podcast about it happening here, which, if you are paying 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: attention to the news today is Los Angeles, not just LA, 4 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: but largely LA right now, which over the course of 5 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: the last couple of days while we were off for 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: the weekend, has broken out into a series of protests 7 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: and cop riots that are kind of consuming national news. 8 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: The federal government has activated the California National Guard and 9 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:40,919 Speaker 1: asserted federal control over them. Governor Newsom is kind of 10 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: pushing back against that, although not in a way that 11 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: I am convinced or I've seen any evidence of matters 12 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: at this point. The United States Marines, a group of 13 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: I think about five hundred from Camp Pendleton, which is 14 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: down near San Diego, have been activated as well, which 15 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: is a probable violation of Passe coma tadas, So that 16 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: was kind of unclear to me the extent which they're 17 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: in the theater at this point. Largely, all of these 18 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: actions have been ineffective in making the protests go away 19 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: at this point. What sparked them was a series of 20 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: ice raids that took about two thousand people into custody 21 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: and brought a bunch of Los Angelinos out in Paramount, 22 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: California who were met by the police, the LAPD providing 23 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: crowd control to Homeland Security HSI agents. Yeah, and that's 24 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: the gist of what went down. Things have just kind 25 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: of escalated from there. Yesterday, probably four to six thousand 26 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: people in the street as opposed to five hundred or 27 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: so the day before. So things have continued to escalate 28 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: and the LAPD and their police have had no real 29 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: luck in containing the demonstrations. We'll see how long that 30 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: situation lasts. But yeah, that's where we are right at 31 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: this second. More or less, things are continuing to evolve today, 32 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: will have evolved since yep. 33 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, a way, we're recording this on Monday. This will 34 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 2: probably coming out like Monday night, Tuesday morning, so who 35 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 2: fucking knows what will have happened by then. This is 36 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: like about one pm Pacific time when we're recording this. 37 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 2: I want to start also by going back to that 38 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 2: National Guard deployment, because the federalized National Guard deployment is 39 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: hideously illegal. Oh yeah, like unbelievably illegal. I cannot emphasize enough. 40 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: This is like constitution shatteringly illegal. Yeah, and the way 41 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 2: this is being reported in the media is fucking hideous. 42 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: They are just straight up lying about it. So okay, 43 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 2: So Trump has not declared the Insturruction Act yet, right. 44 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: No, they activated a directive that Trump signed cited ten 45 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: USC one two four six, which is a specific provision 46 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: within Title ten if the US Code on Armed Services, 47 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: that provision allows, or part of that provision allows for 48 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: the federal government to deploy National Guard forces quote, if 49 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion against 50 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: the authority of the Guard of the United States. 51 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 3: So basically, the. 52 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: Claim being made by the administration here was that the 53 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: federalization of the California Guard was justified by the fact 54 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: that the people of Los Angeles, which at the point 55 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: this was done was somewhere less than a thousand. 56 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 4: Of them five hundred people, Yeah. 57 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: And were an open rebellion because they had yelled at 58 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: a bunch of vice officers for a while. That was 59 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: the situation. 60 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 4: Yeah. 61 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,399 Speaker 2: Well, and also it's worth noting too, even if there 62 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,399 Speaker 2: was a rebellion, which there isn't, he also can't use 63 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 2: that section because it's in coordination with the governor. You 64 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 2: could only do what if the governor is working with 65 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: you and the governor, like Newsom is being a real 66 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 2: piece of shit about this. 67 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: For again, like the president, the LAPD has been yeah. 68 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 2: But it's like he's been sitting the LPD up, but 69 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,839 Speaker 2: he hasn't given permission for the federal government to use 70 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 2: the California National Guard. They're just doing it, right, This 71 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: is like they've just stolen a state national Guard. And 72 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 2: newsroom's response has been because he fucking hates protesters, so 73 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: has been. 74 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 4: Like, oh, this is bad. 75 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: Am, I gonna like do anything about the fact that, 76 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 2: like again, every single law about how the National Guard 77 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 2: is supposed to be used, it's just been torn the 78 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 2: fuck up. Yeah, no, like fucking MPR and like a 79 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 2: bunch of the mation media reporting about this has just 80 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 2: been saying that, oh, well, he used this provision and 81 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: it's like, no, he didn't. Like he did not He 82 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 2: explicitly every single part of the thing that lets you 83 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: use this provision, none of the conditions have been fulfilled, 84 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: which means he's not using it. 85 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 4: He's just saying shit and doing it. 86 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly right. 87 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: And the activation of the US Marines is based on 88 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: like heg Seth posted a tweet being like I've got 89 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: marines ready in Camp Pendleton, which like there's absolutely no 90 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: constitutional justification for no, especially since the National Guard had 91 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: just been put in for deploying active duty US marines 92 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: into this situation. Absolutely not, it's all super like. For 93 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: one thing, the situation that they're in right now in 94 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: terms of like what we've seen from the National Guard 95 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: yesterday was like they're not very effective at this, right. 96 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: They fairly quickly after being deployed started using, you know, 97 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: firing impact munitions at the crowd, attacking the crowd in 98 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: the same way that the LPD had done. Nothing That 99 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: was like, I would say, an escalation beyond how the 100 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,239 Speaker 1: fucking cops were active. 101 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 3: Right. 102 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: But National Guard is bad at handling these kinds of things, right, 103 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: Their force organization is not meant to be able to 104 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: be split up into small enough units the way the 105 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,799 Speaker 1: cops are in enough areas, Like they're just not mint 106 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: for this sort of thing. It's not how they're meant 107 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: to be deployed to counteract protests, So you wind up 108 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: just kind of keeping them in this big blob of 109 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: guys who you don't have good Like they're sleeping on 110 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: floors in government buildings, right, now because the quartering Act exists, 111 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: which is amazing, and because there's not much in the 112 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: way of organization behind deploying them, and they don't know 113 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: they're not there. I mean, neither are the police generally 114 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: well trained with their impact munitions, but these guys certainly aren't. 115 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: And they freak out at the drop of a hat, 116 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: like they're like worse at it than the LAPD, and 117 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: the LAPD is. 118 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 3: You know, not good at it, They're just good at 119 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 3: hurting people. 120 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: So you've just kind of got this large, brittle group 121 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: of guys who you can plunk down in an area 122 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: while protesters continue to gather in groups all around the city. 123 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: And the more stories of shit like a blob of 124 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,119 Speaker 1: National guardsmen fucking up protesters you get, the more people 125 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: are coming out and the less controllable the situation becomes. 126 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 2: And it seems like we're seeing the very beginning stages 127 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 2: of people actually learning tactical lessons from twenty twenty and 128 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four with the pala Sign encampments. Yeah, which 129 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: is like, yeah, like, if you concentrate all of your 130 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 2: people in one spot, police departments are very very good 131 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: at massing the whole bunch of people and rolling you over. 132 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 2: I mean, we've known this since twenty twenty. If you 133 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 2: are at a whole bunch of different spots at the 134 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 2: same time, they're terrible at responding to that. And that's 135 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 2: kind of what's been happening. Yeah, there's been a bunch 136 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 2: of protests popping up in different places. It's been very 137 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 2: effective at sort of like preventing that kind of like 138 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 2: one giant Sweet mobilizations that were like destroying the student encampments. 139 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm looking at based on reporting from CBS News, 140 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: about seven hundred US Marines have been activated from the 141 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: twenty nine Palms base near San Diego, which is, per 142 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: Jim Laporta, who's a defense reporter, widely considered to be 143 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: one of the worst bases to be stationed at in 144 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: the entire military, are being deployed to Los Angeles right now. 145 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 3: So that's just great. 146 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 4: Yeah. 147 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 2: Someone asked Trump what would it take for him to 148 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 2: use to authorize the deployment of the US military on 149 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 2: American soil, and he said, that's just that's up to me, 150 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 2: which is. 151 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 4: Not how any of this works. 152 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's just pure military dictatorship stuff. If Trump 153 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: is just able to like use the military just do 154 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 2: whatever the fuck he wants. That is just that is 155 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 2: the constitution gone. That is the pretense of democracy gone. 156 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 2: It is real bad. Now it hasn't happened yet, but 157 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 2: there has been a bunch of extremely alarming. 158 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 4: Other shit that's happened. 159 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 2: So the cops arrested the president of California SEIU, which 160 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 2: is the Service Workers Union in California, a very very 161 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 2: large union, not a super billetant one. 162 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: No, And David Huerta isn't who you'd call like a 163 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: particularly militant leftist. 164 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 2: No, he's just like he's just like a kind of 165 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 2: like a Democratic Party labor guy. And they just like 166 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 2: arrested him outside of outside of one of the initial 167 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 2: protests where he was injured him quite badly too. Yeah, yeah, 168 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 2: like beat the shit out of him. And then he's 169 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 2: still being held in in a federal detention building. They're 170 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 2: they're they're charging him with with federal felony conspiracy to 171 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 2: impede an officer. And again, this is this is the 172 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 2: this is the head of like one of the largest 173 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 2: unions of California. 174 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: No, and they're they're justifying it in part based on 175 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: the charging documents because they saw him texting on his 176 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: phone outside and assumed he was texting to like a 177 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: protester to give them. 178 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 2: More Yes, right, Like it's like fucking courtoon clown shit. 179 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 2: But like the actual effect of this again is that 180 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 2: they have like one of they they have like the 181 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 2: president of one of the largest unions in the state, 182 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 2: like yes, in a federal detention building. So, I mean 183 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: there's obviously been like unions are pissed about it. There 184 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 2: hasn't been any kind of large scom mobilization from them yet. 185 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 2: But if there was one possible thing you could do 186 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 2: to actually get Seiu outfit's ass and like show up 187 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 2: to shit, it's this. We don't know exactly what's going 188 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 2: to happen. The reporting that I've seen so far has 189 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 2: suggested that there is actually a kind of heartening degree 190 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 2: of cross union support for like, holy shit, the Feds 191 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 2: like just grabbing the president of a union is in 192 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: fact bad. We're gonna have to see exactly how that 193 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 2: plays out. But like he's still fucking in there. Maxine 194 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 2: Walters like tried to enter the facility to check on him. 195 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 2: This has happened with a bunch of different Congress people 196 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 2: who tried to enter this one in LA and a 197 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 2: couple of other tension facilities. They are all being denied, 198 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 2: which is unhinged. 199 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, especially since they have oversight over facilities like this. 200 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 201 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: Other news from today that's just come out in the 202 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: last less than a day, the government has deployed m 203 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: Q nine reapers. I think at least two of them 204 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: over Los Angeles. These are the drones that are that 205 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: we were using overseas to shoot hell fire missiles of people. 206 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 3: That's not what they're being used for here. They're being 207 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 3: used for surveillance. 208 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: The last time this was done was in Minneapolis in 209 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 1: twenty twenty ye. Outside of their use for surveillance over 210 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: the border, but there's MQ nine's over an American city 211 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: surveilling protesters. Speaking of that, there's also just been like 212 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,479 Speaker 1: the threat of surveillance being used against protesters. 213 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:29,719 Speaker 3: Kind of. 214 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: The most chilling example from yesterday was an LAPD helicopter 215 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: flying low over a crowd, shining a spotlight on them 216 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: and saying like I've seen, we can see all of you. 217 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: We're going to come. I'm going to come to your 218 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 1: houses later, like you're all on camera and I'm cut, 219 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: Like specifically, I'm going to cut. We're coming to your 220 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: houses later. 221 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 4: Yeah it's police state shit. 222 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: Like, yeah, it's police state shit. Now do I believe 223 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: that they actually have the ability to know? They don't actually, 224 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: but yeah. 225 00:10:58,080 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 4: That's aid. 226 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 2: Like where if you're going to one of these protest, 227 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 2: wear a fucking mask, yes, like I don't know, like 228 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 2: both for COVID, but like also Jesus fucking Christ, Like 229 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 2: they're flying petat trouts over these protests, like wear masks. 230 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 2: Good lord, do you know what else wants you to 231 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 2: buy masks? 232 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? 233 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: The products and services that support this podcast perhaps, and we're. 234 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 4: Yees. 235 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 2: So I also want to talk a bit about the 236 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 2: specific conditions that caused all of this stuff, because I 237 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 2: think the reporting on it has been really bad. So 238 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 2: there were two thousand arrests from ICE on Tuesday. They 239 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 2: rested two thousand people on Wednesday. I think these are 240 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: like national numbers, the numbers like very specifically in LAS 241 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 2: are at least several hundred people have been being held 242 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 2: in just horrory find conditions. You know, some of them 243 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 2: are being held in federal attention centers, but they're also 244 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 2: just being held in like the basements of these fucking 245 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 2: buildings because there's not enough room to hold this many people, 246 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 2: you know, I mean, even the conditions and the regular 247 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 2: attention center are terrible. 248 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: But like the. 249 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: Immigration lawyers who people were able to reach and talk to, 250 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 2: are talking about hundreds of people in rooms designed for thirty. 251 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 2: There's no cots, They're sleeping on the ground. Sickness is spreading, 252 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 2: there's not enough food or water. Conditions are fucking horrifying. 253 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 2: A lot of the people who are in there, you know, 254 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 2: the ones that we've been able to get any kind 255 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 2: of contact with from their lawyers. A lot of these 256 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 2: people cannot be deported because there are people who have 257 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 2: been granted stay of deportation by the US government, which 258 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 2: means they cannot be deported. But I said, just fucking 259 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 2: kidnapped them. 260 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 4: Anyways. 261 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 2: There's videos you can see from the protesters outside the buildings, 262 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 2: and there's something I remember from Occupy Ice in twenty 263 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 2: eighteen that's just fucking harrowing, is that, like, when you're 264 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 2: outside these buildings, sometimes you can hear the people inside shouting, 265 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 2: and it's fucking harrowing. And with these ones, there's a 266 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 2: bunch of videos if you can see that the people 267 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 2: inside the buildings are trying to like shine lights out 268 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 2: of windows so that people know that they're inside. 269 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 4: It's fucking horrifying. 270 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 2: And I think, just how bad this is, Like how 271 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 2: bad it was that like all of these fucking people 272 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 2: in their fucking tanks just rolled up and started kidnapping people. 273 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 2: Has just kind of been lost in all of this 274 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 2: discourse about the protest is like, no, this is what 275 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 2: was happening, Like this is straight up soldiers are just 276 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 2: taking people in the night, Like that's what this is, 277 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 2: you know, And this has been happening all over. There 278 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 2: was also a huge sort of protests have started at 279 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 2: this home depot where okay, so this is where this 280 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 2: is where we would get into the point where like 281 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 2: it's kind of difficult to see what's going on. Ice 282 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 2: claims that they were just staging a bunch of people 283 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 2: the private whole ind Security said to the BBC that 284 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 2: there was no raid on this home depot planned and 285 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 2: that they were just staging there. I don't believe that, 286 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 2: because these people lie for a living. It is their job. 287 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 2: They are police. It is their job as a cop 288 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 2: to lie to you. It is a constitutionally protected thing 289 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 2: that they have according to the Supreme Court, which is 290 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 2: absolutely ridiculous. But I am pretty sure they're lying about that. 291 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 2: But regardless, there's you know, like their approaches started up 292 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 2: and then like the cops just started tear gassing the 293 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 2: people who were protesting. Yep, this massive rage at a 294 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 2: home depot. 295 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: Now there was another kind of noteworthy event is when 296 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: Ice showed up in force they got There were kind 297 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: of two different actions. There was one down at a 298 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: federal building where people attacked and dissembled barricades at the 299 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: same time as people showed up to go after the 300 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: ICE caravan. Ice officers were pelted in their vehicles with 301 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: a number of objects yea. And again this is the 302 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: kind of thing that makes it a lot more difficult. 303 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 3: I mean that just. 304 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: Appears operational operationally to be true for them to crack 305 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: down when they're expecting, you know, action in one direction 306 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: and it comes in multiple at the same time. There 307 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: was another instance earlier in the protest where ICE officers 308 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: were surrounded by a crowd and cut off for about 309 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: eight hours while the LAPD refused to respond to them, 310 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: and they eventually had to land a black Hawk on 311 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: the street in order to resupply because they were out 312 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: of water and I think running low on munitions which 313 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: they then used with reckless abandon So yeah, there's also 314 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: as I'm looking right now, just as about two hours ago, 315 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: a US Marine Age one z viper attack helicopter was 316 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: filmed flying low over Los Angeles. So it looks like 317 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: we've got active duty US Marine Corps forces in the city. 318 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: Unclear if they're directly engaging with anyone. I haven't really 319 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: heard of a lot of activity today, but yeah. 320 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, my guess is things will intensify, you know, as 321 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 2: the day goes on and as we sort of roll 322 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 2: into night, because some people sort of start getting off 323 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 2: work and when temperatures start coming down a bit. 324 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: That's the open question right as to like what's going 325 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: to happen. The last couple of days we saw numbers escalate, 326 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: but now it's Monday, people have work and there's more true. 327 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, it's not clear to me that that's 328 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: going to happen, that this. 329 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 4: Is going to be like a yeah, we'll see. 330 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: I'm seeing a lot of early comparisons to twenty twenty, 331 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: and it's not clear to me that's going to happen. 332 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: One thing to note is that kind of at the top. 333 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: So far, we've had four to six thousand people out 334 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: in the street in La Yeah, which is not you know, 335 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: compared to twenty twenty numbers. And while we've seen some 336 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: sympathy demonstrations, I mean here in Portland, I don't think 337 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: it got larger than forty or so people. There was another, 338 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: you know somewhere less than one hundred people in San 339 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: Francisco that some a good chunk of them got. 340 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 3: Kettled the other day. 341 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: But not mass demonstrations yet in other cities. 342 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, it hasn't. 343 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 2: It hasn't like really kicked off everywhere yet. And it's 344 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 2: also interesting because like these protests are kind of coming 345 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 2: off of the back of a couple of like scattered things. 346 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 2: We talked about this on executive disorder, but there was 347 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 2: a there was a very big confrontation in Minneapolis last 348 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 2: there's another one in Chicago where they like attacked a 349 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 2: bunch of Chicago aldermen, which was a time. The way 350 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 2: it's been going is like you get a giant rage 351 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 2: and it pisses people off, and there's a flare up, 352 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 2: and the flour ups have been getting larger but it 353 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 2: hasn't been like a sustained thing. It's largely been reactive 354 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 2: to these kind of large raids, and you know that's 355 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 2: not necessarily like the recipe for a sustained thing. However, 356 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 2: come the term administration, their target goal for the number 357 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 2: of arrests a day is three thousand, so like they're 358 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 2: trying to intensify the number of rage they're doing and 359 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 2: how sort of like aggressive and like militant they are. 360 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 2: And I think that might be a thing that causes 361 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 2: this to accelerate as we go, as we head into 362 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 2: like next weekend, because if they're still doing this right, 363 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 2: like if feds are if suddenly like like hundreds of 364 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 2: FEDS are in Chicago again and they're like grabbing people 365 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 2: out of like Logan Square, right, or you know, they're 366 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 2: they're trying they're doing this in like in New York, 367 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 2: they're doing this in like other places, I think it 368 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 2: could start to escalate, But right now it's still very 369 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 2: much unclear. 370 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and that's where I stand too on 371 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: this is like I don't actually know what's going to 372 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 1: happen with this demonstration, but I think that, you know, 373 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: one possibility is certainly that this continues to escalate and 374 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: that you just get more and more people out consistently, 375 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: the others that it kind of peters out from this point. 376 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: If it continues to escalate, then the state is or 377 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: the FEDS are in a situation where they have committed 378 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: to continuing the escalation chain and there's not much for 379 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: them to go once they've got active duty soldiers in 380 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: the streets, but just actually shooting at people with live rounds, 381 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: assuming that they can't stop the demonstrations with a show 382 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: of force, and likewise, there's not much else for people 383 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: to do but either back down and stop coming out, 384 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: at which point the administration will take a victory lap 385 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 1: and say that like, look, this works, and this will 386 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: become their standard go to whenever a city erupts is 387 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: immediately nationalize the state National Guard, bring out live troops. Right, 388 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: that's what will happen everywhere. That's going to become the 389 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 1: new norm. Or people will continue escalating and yeah, like 390 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: in that case, the situation is like do people escalate 391 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: to deploying more force, do they have that real option 392 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: right or does the kind of stress of responding with 393 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: that sort of force, largely with soldiers that this is 394 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: not the primary thing they signed up to do. Do 395 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,959 Speaker 1: they start like stop obeying orders? You know, these are 396 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: the kind of things that we would then be looking 397 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: at to see, right, Like, that's kind of where there's 398 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 1: a couple of different places it can go from here. 399 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:47,719 Speaker 3: You know. 400 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: Another possibility is that, like if we see an instance 401 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: of like, okay, in order to try and crack down 402 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: on this, they authorize the use of deadly force against 403 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: a chunk of demonstrators and people get killed, then do 404 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 1: you see this kind of thing erupt in cities all 405 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: around the country like we saw in twenty twenty, right, 406 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: which case, again, things get very because there's not there's 407 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: not a lot of the US army. Really, there are 408 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: a lot of cops, but compared to the US population, 409 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: there's not even that any cops, right, and widespread enough 410 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: discent like this, you know what would force some very 411 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: difficult decisions from the federal government and from the administration, right, 412 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: And that's kind of our best case scenario is that 413 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: you get enough people out in enough cities that like 414 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: it is just crashing the US economy, right, and there's 415 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: no real way to lock down the unrest, and you 416 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: start getting National Guard refusing to respond to deployment orders 417 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: as well as active duty soldiers like refusing to respond right, 418 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: Like these are the That's the kind of thing that 419 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: we're looking at in terms of like a potential best 420 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: case scenario here. 421 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 3: I don't know where things are going to head. 422 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 1: I think maybe a likelier possibility is not that we 423 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 1: hit that that situation right now, but that we start 424 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 1: to see, like as this kind of peters out, the 425 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: administration puts out a victory lap, and then we start 426 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: to see you know, demonstrations responding in other cities, and 427 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 1: maybe there's kind of a slower tempo of escalation here. 428 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:25,719 Speaker 3: But I don't know. 429 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,479 Speaker 1: I want to say that my hope is that they 430 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 1: overplayed their hands here, but I just don't know that 431 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: that's clear, in part because we haven't seen the scale 432 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: of mobilization by people that is clearly going to be 433 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 1: impossible for them to respond to. 434 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 3: Right. 435 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,479 Speaker 2: I am still expecting that we're going to get a 436 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 2: really large escalating series approachest this summer. It's June, if 437 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 2: I am, it is June ninth as we're recording this, right, 438 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 2: it is going to be a long, hot summer, right, 439 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 2: Regardless of whether this is the whether it Peter's out here. 440 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 2: I think it is absolutely possible that this Peter's out 441 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 2: and this isn't the one. I don't think it's very 442 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 2: likely that this Peter's out the Republican's sake of victory lap 443 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 2: and then we don't get more protests this summer. Yeah, 444 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,360 Speaker 2: at this scale or larger, Yeah, I think I think 445 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 2: that's very unlikely. We should take an at break and 446 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 2: that I want to talk a little bit about some 447 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 2: of the tactics we've been seeing, because they're very funny. 448 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: Ah, and we're back. I should probably note very quickly that, 449 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: like obviously, one thing that happens when shit like this 450 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 1: goes down is that you get people posting on the. 451 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 3: Internet their thoughts about this. 452 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: One of the more prominent posters on Twitter in the 453 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: new musc Era has been the menswear guy, who made 454 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: a couple of statements that I don't entirely agree with 455 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: about like I mean general support protests, but like I 456 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: don't support you know, violent protests what I would call 457 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: some kind of miss interpretations of the civil rights movement, 458 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: but also like not something I wouldn't I don't care 459 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 1: that much if people are wrong on the internet. 460 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he did have a straight up poster 461 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 2: meltdown where he was like yelling about someone's like breakup 462 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 2: to say that they're insufficiently devoted because they didn't stay 463 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 2: with this person to keep them in the court. 464 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 4: There is melt on base. 465 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: Shit, But like what matters, people melt down, posters melt 466 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: out what I think what matters is that like he 467 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 1: made a post later, a longer one, talking about the 468 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: fact that he was undocumented, his family was undocumented because 469 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,479 Speaker 1: you know, they came to initially Canada after the tet 470 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: offensive and entered the US through a porous border and 471 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: talking about the way in which being undocumented has like 472 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 1: affected his entire life. And now the vice president and 473 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: the DHS account put us in a picture of like 474 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 1: spy kids of a kid with like a little like 475 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 1: computer tracker thing on his eye, and JD. Vance made 476 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: a post being like basically, we're going to deport the 477 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: menswear guy for his posts. 478 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, which is fucking hideous. 479 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 1: Which is it's just like again another example of the 480 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: ridiculous level of government repression that we're looking at here, 481 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: like where the federal government is like targeting themselves based 482 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: on posts that make people angry. 483 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and well it's bifically post on Twitter, yeah too, 484 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 2: like and like that's also an important thing of like, 485 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 2: if you're not on Twitter, it is harder to get 486 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 2: the eye of the state on you if you are 487 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 2: on Twitter. Yeah, Like, the Vice president can be posting 488 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 2: fucking unhinged reply images to someone talking about deporting you, 489 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 2: like Jesus fucking Christ. Yeah, is a horrifying level of repression. 490 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 2: The sort of mirror to this is the stuff we've 491 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 2: been seeing on the ground. Right there's a video going 492 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 2: around of a like a pretty right wing like Australian 493 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 2: journalists who's just like talking about the protests and. 494 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: Like maybe twenty feet their back turned to a police 495 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: right line. 496 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 2: It's more like like fifteen. The guy like the end 497 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 2: of the right line just like turns and shoots. 498 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: Her, very casually. No protesters close to her, absolutely, no question, 499 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: no no, no chance that he was aiming at someone else, 500 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: zero chance, no chance that he thought that she was 501 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: attacking him. Just shot a lady in the back of 502 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 1: her thigh with an impact mutition for no reason. 503 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 2: The most on hinge part of this, well, okay, the 504 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 2: most on hinge part of this was that they fucking 505 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 2: did this. The second most hinge part of it was 506 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 2: that her fucking like her fucking outlet in the description 507 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 2: of the video said that they appeared to be targeting 508 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 2: the profire, like appeared to be targeting a protest. 509 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 4: It's like, no, they weren't. Man, there's this really. 510 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,959 Speaker 2: Amazing thing with the American press, were like they are 511 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 2: incapable of objectively describing the thing that a cop does 512 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 2: because if they described the thing that the cop does, 513 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 2: it looks like antipode. 514 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 3: Everyone can see yeah. 515 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so they have to just lie about it 516 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 2: and be like, oh, it was commonly. Crush was like, no, 517 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 2: with your own eyes you can see. But the headline 518 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:42,719 Speaker 2: is lying. 519 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: This is not questionable. This is not an arguable point. 520 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 1: This is not debatable. Oh, the footage is objective. 521 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 4: Watch the video. 522 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, guys, he just shot her because he 523 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: wanted to, because he thought it was funny, Like that's 524 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: why he did it, we. 525 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, And like this kind of shit just continues 526 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 2: to happen, Like the press has learned nothing from twenty twenty. 527 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 2: They're still doing all the stupid snography shit. There's actually 528 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 2: been shit the cops have done in this protest that 529 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,479 Speaker 2: I've never actually seen before, which is a new one, 530 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 2: because by by the time I was like I was 531 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 2: like a few weeks of twenty twenty, I had seen 532 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 2: basically everything, right, Like, I'm doing this for like fucking ages. 533 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 2: I've seen the cops trample people with horses before. I 534 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,719 Speaker 2: had never seen them trample a guy and beat him 535 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 2: with the same person on a horse. Yeah, beating a 536 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 2: guy and trampling them with the horse at the same time. 537 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 2: That's a new one. Good fucking God. That's also and 538 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 2: I think it's actually is this worth understanding? Is that, 539 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 2: like that is the point of police horses, Like the 540 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 2: reason they have them is so they can trample people 541 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 2: with them. 542 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's to run people over with them. 543 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, And it's it's real fucking bad. That's that's 544 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 2: hideous and shit like this has been happening this whole time. 545 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 2: There's been a bunch of journalists who have really been 546 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 2: really severely injured by impact munitions already. 547 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, one guy I get shot in the skull with 548 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: a You can tell it's a forty millimeters because of 549 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: the indent that left in his skull. 550 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, those things are like the size of your fist, and. 551 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just they're they're massive, and they're not they're 552 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: not even meant to be fired directly. When you're shooting 553 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 1: at people, you're supposed to shoot them up at the 554 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: ground and bounce them into people. 555 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 4: Yeah. Now, no cop has ever done this. 556 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 3: They don't use them that way. I've had a used 557 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 3: on me, like I'm sorry. 558 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, this this munition has never been used like that, 559 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 2: no single time media. 560 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: History's And that's the general truth of riot munitions. And actually, 561 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if this guy was shot with a 562 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 1: with a with a rubber around or a foam round. 563 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: I think they probably shot him with a grenade, which 564 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: you're also not supposed to shoot at people, but again 565 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: they do all the. 566 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 4: Time, which also kills people a lot. 567 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: Guy very nearly died in Portland a few years back 568 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: from that. Only his bike helmet saved them. 569 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like this is this is a This is 570 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 2: one of the most common ways people get killed in 571 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 2: protests is by the cops shooting them. 572 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, like pure gas can. 573 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 2: Specifically, especially like in Turkey, this is a huge thing. 574 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 2: Like a bunch of people got killed by by You're 575 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 2: gonna keep my ter gut canisters. 576 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 3: Yep. 577 00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 2: However, come there has been a bunch of extremely funny 578 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 2: and like pretty effective tactics people are using. One of 579 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 2: which I've never seen before that is fascinating is people 580 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 2: were calling wimos. 581 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 4: Which are these like driverless yes, yes, yeah. So they 582 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 4: would use the app. 583 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 2: To call winmos the places they wanted to set up roadblocks, 584 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 2: stop police cars going through, and stop ice cars going through, 585 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 2: and then they would land them on fire. And they 586 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 2: did this to so many of these cars that the 587 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 2: LAPD called Wimo and told them to shut it down 588 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 2: because they were like. 589 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 4: Literally, it's it's it's a self driving flaming barricade. 590 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: Well, and I think white people were doing it is 591 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: in part because like they like the board started spreading that, 592 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: like the police, were you getting footage from wimo right, ye, 593 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: so they were like, well, these are surveillance machines and 594 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: yeah if you if you show up, you light one 595 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: on fire and there's this flaming barricade. 596 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 3: Yeah yep. 597 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 2: And then and then people figured out that you could 598 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 2: just like oh, we could just bring these to places 599 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 2: like this, this is. 600 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 4: A self deploying flaming barricade. 601 00:28:58,520 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 602 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, And and the other thing that that's interesting about 603 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 2: it too, is it's another one of these examples that 604 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 2: you see in protests of like people have this tendency 605 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 2: to think of riots as these like really spontaneous things 606 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 2: that nobody's like thinking. 607 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 4: About a lot. 608 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 2: But the thing about why MOS is that like, if 609 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 2: you've like walked in a city that has these things, 610 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 2: these things have tried to run you over at least once. 611 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, Like there's there's a serverials angle. 612 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 2: There's also the angle that these things are trying to 613 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 2: fucking kill you all the time. And so and this 614 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 2: is like, you know, this is a very common like 615 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 2: like first thing that happens in the riot is like 616 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 2: people burn down the thing that has been trying to 617 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 2: fucking kill them this whole time. Yeah, so this is 618 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 2: this one, except they figured out how to try into 619 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 2: flaming card parricees. 620 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 621 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: So I don't know, I guess we should end this 622 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: with assuming things do kind of get get bigger, or 623 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: assuming things get bigger later. Yeah, and you're watching this 624 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: and either you head out soon and wind up you know, 625 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: being at a protest, or that happens later. There's a 626 00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: couple of things to keep in mind. One of them 627 00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: is is, especially as we hit the summer, there's always 628 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: trade offs when we talk about like different kinds of 629 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: body armor that you may or may not want to have, 630 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: right you know, the two broad types are soft ballistic 631 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: armor and hard ballistic armour. When we talk about like 632 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: ballistic body armor that can that is resistant to bullets. 633 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: Downsides to both of those are expense no reliable body armor, 634 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: and I'm talking about NIJ certified body armour, which you 635 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: should always shoot forard. None of that is ever cheap. 636 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: Some is cheaper than others. Soft body armor is really 637 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: all you need for riot munitions. It doesn't stop the 638 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: pain as much as hard body armor. I've been hit 639 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: in hard body armor by impact munitions by like foam 640 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: rounds and stuff and barely felt it, whereas being hit 641 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: with them in soft armor is still pretty painful. However, 642 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: hard body armor, like the stuff that stops rifle rounds, 643 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: can shatter when hit by impact munitions, and again, because 644 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: it's a significant expense, means you might not have that 645 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: hard body armour anymore. The other thing to keep in 646 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: counter is that when you're talking about like armor for 647 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: your body, if you're worried primarily about impact munitions. It 648 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be ballistic stuff like football pads, hockey 649 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: pads works very well against soft munitions. 650 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 3: Right. 651 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: Again, there's a huge trade off and potentially a safety 652 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: trade off if it's one hundred and ten degrees where 653 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: you are, like the danger of wearing any body armoor 654 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: and how much it slows you down, and how the 655 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: odds of it causing you to have heat stroke or 656 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: whatever can be significantly higher than like whatever you'd gain 657 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: in protection. However, there are some things you should never 658 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: go into a situation like this without in terms of armor. 659 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: One of those is a helmet. Again, there are ballistic 660 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: helmets that are resistant to pistol rounds. There are no 661 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: helmets that exist that will reliably stop rifle rounds at 662 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: in my close range with a rifle. We're talking within 663 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: a couple hundred meters, right, Those don't exist. They can 664 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: stop maybe a ricochet or a glancing blow. They're good 665 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: for shrapnel, they're good for pistols. That's what helmet ballistic 666 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: helmets are for, and those are great for police riot rounds. 667 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: A ballistic helmet is a really good thing to have 668 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: if they are shooting rubber rounds or shooting grenades directly 669 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: at people. It is not, however, the only thing you 670 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: need or the only thing that could provide safety. It's 671 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: not ideal to have like a bump helmet or a 672 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: bike helmet as opposed to a ballistic helmet, or like 673 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: a bike helmet as opposed to a bump helmet. These 674 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,479 Speaker 1: are different things. A bump helmet is higher rated than 675 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: like a standard bike helmet. A motorcycle helmet is also 676 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: pretty robust. A bumper motorcycle helmet is better to have 677 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: if you're being shot at with non lethal or less 678 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: than lethal whatever you want to call them munitions, but 679 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: all of those, any kind of helmet is better than 680 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: your bare skull when police are shooting into a craft. 681 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: So where something even if it's a ten dollars fucking 682 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: bicycle helmet, if that's all you can get where that. 683 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: Don't go into a situation like this without a helmet. 684 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: Bring something like a fucking camelback or whatever that you 685 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: can have on your back and drink water from regularly, 686 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: as well as bottles of water that you can use 687 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: to wash out tear gas. Only use water to wash 688 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: out tear gas only water water and if you catch 689 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: people being like milk works, tell them you are wrong. 690 00:32:59,240 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 3: Don't use milk. 691 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 4: No friends, co rets, lovers, your family. 692 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 2: He can be the generation that stops using milk for 693 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 2: tear gas. 694 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 4: You can do this. 695 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: You don't need to make cheese and your eyes only you. 696 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: You can people, for the love of God, it doesn't 697 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: work anytime. And if somebody starts talking about well, no, 698 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: you know, actually it's just like if you eat something spicy. No, no, no, no, no, 699 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: none of that's right. 700 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 3: I'm telling you none of that's right. 701 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 2: Now. 702 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: Some people do use something called law, which is like 703 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: a mixture of I think it's an answer or something 704 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: like that. I think exactly what's in law, And yeah, 705 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: that can be effective, but don't use it. Just use water. 706 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: Use water. Use water. 707 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 3: Just use water. 708 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: If you are if you have some degree of like 709 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: professional medical treatment, and you decide law is better, do 710 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: whatever you want doctor right, but like, don't you listening, 711 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: use water right? 712 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 3: Just want water. 713 00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 2: Look melt ice into water, use clean water. 714 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: Idea from something like anyway whatever. When it comes to mace, 715 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: water eventually will get mace out. Mace is way different 716 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: from tear gas. Tear gas with water You can be 717 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: back to functional in a couple of minutes, right, if 718 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: you wash your eyes out. I've been tear gas like 719 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: two hundred fucking times, and I'll tell you it never 720 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: takes that long to get your eyes functional again. 721 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 4: Assuming. 722 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:23,839 Speaker 1: The other thing you want to note is that if 723 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: you're going into a tear gas situation, if you wear contacts, 724 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: don't glasses only, right, because you do not want to 725 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 1: have mace or tear gas in your eyes. When you 726 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: have contacts, it can cause permanent debilitating damage. 727 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:36,359 Speaker 3: Right. 728 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: They may need to surgically remove your fucking contacts where 729 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: your goddamn glasses. You can, And I have worn contacts 730 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: with like a full face respirator or a full face 731 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: gas mask, But there are still dangers there, including that 732 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: if you are wearing a full face mask or a 733 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: gas mask or something like that and the police catch you, 734 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,399 Speaker 1: they will pull that up and mace you underneath your mask. 735 00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 1: It's happened to a bunch of people I know. And 736 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: if you're wearing contacts under there, you can get in 737 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 1: very bad shape. There are easy ways to make glasses 738 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: holders if you've got a spare pair of lenses inside 739 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,919 Speaker 1: a mask like that, Anyway, the other thing to note 740 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 1: is that mace is not the same as tear gas. 741 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: Mace fucks you up for much longer. You are going 742 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: to be out of commission for at least probably twenty 743 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: to thirty minutes with mace. In the best case scenario, 744 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: enough water will eventually wash out mace, right, It will 745 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: eventually deal with it, but not on any kind of 746 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 1: short timeframe. Right, It's going to take you a while 747 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 1: to get enough mace out of your eyes. 748 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 3: That way. 749 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: Ideally, you get to a place where you have access 750 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: to something like a faucet or a hose, and you 751 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: use dawn dish soap is the best thing to use. 752 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: That's going to remove the surface thing. There's a better 753 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: thing for this, but I'm talking about if you don't 754 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: have access to specialized things or like baby shampoo, right, 755 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: something like that. Ideally, dish soap next would be something 756 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,319 Speaker 1: like baby shampoo, right, with a good amount of water. Now, 757 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: the very best thing for mace is a specific wipe 758 00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: that's made to be used for this, and this does 759 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: also help for tear gas. It's called Pseudocon Wipes sud 760 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: e co In. You can buy it off of Amazon 761 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 1: right now. They're not expensive and carry a couple of packs. 762 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 1: You generally want to like take what's in there in 763 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 1: two different pieces and use one to kind of wipe 764 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,959 Speaker 1: away from your eyes and then the other to clean 765 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: your face up afterwards, once you've removed the bulk of 766 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: the material. Pseudocon wipes are the best thing to use 767 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 1: with mace. Anyway. That's a quick and dirty guide to 768 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: what kind of stuff is useful for this. And as always, 769 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: water water, water, Yeah. 770 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 2: And the one last thing I want to add is 771 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 2: that there is there is one more scourge that you 772 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 2: can end in this generation. Stop getting kettled on bridges. 773 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 2: I swear to God. Don't cross the bridge. Do not 774 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,319 Speaker 2: don't be like My action is we're going to hold 775 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 2: a bridge. Every single time there's one of these goddamn protests, 776 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 2: like ten thousand people get a rest on the Brooklyn Bridge. 777 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 4: It happens every time. 778 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,359 Speaker 2: The thing with bridges is that if the police cut 779 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 2: off both ends, you are now stuck on the bridge. 780 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 2: Don't go onto the bridge, simply do not. Like I'm 781 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 2: not even gonna give normally a speech that I give 782 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 2: here is about like, oh well, if you've on a bridge, 783 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,799 Speaker 2: make sure you can hold one side of it. No, no, no, no, 784 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 2: no fuck that. No bridges, don't go on bridges. We 785 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 2: can stop. As a society. We have the technology. Don't 786 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 2: get don't get kettled on a bridge. It is so 787 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,240 Speaker 2: fucking easy you simply don't go on the bridge. 788 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and that's that's the episode for today. Everybody 789 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,280 Speaker 1: use water, don't get kettled on bridges. 790 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,279 Speaker 3: Yeah. 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