WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: Paradise Gray Part 2 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.040 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:08.160 What's Up QLs listeners, This is Sugar Steve. Thank you 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:10.360 for tuning in to part two of our interview with 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:13.640 Paradise Gray. Dice is a leading hip hop historian, a 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:16.560 member of the Ex Klan, and a true raconteur of 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:19.640 the culture. Before this, though, listen to part one, where 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:23.960 Paradise Gray discusses his Bronx upbringing his earliest hip hop memories, 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:27.240 and making his inroads to help making the Latin Quarter a. 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:29.600 Legendary nineteen eighties landmark for rap. 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:35.600 Take It Away, Team Supreme, and Paradise Gray. 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:39.120 All right, so the question I want to ask you 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:41.199 is what does this sound represent? 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:46.120 You ready, yes, Ghost, that's about sex and sonic? 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:49.680 What does it represent? 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:54.040 That's the Latin Quarter? That was the Latin Quarter anthems? 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:58.640 But explain to our listeners what happens when this comes 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:02.320 o see what does that mean? 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:02.640 For? 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:03.680 See that? 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:07.280 And it used to start to you know, it used 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:14.760 to start go Brooklyn, Go Brooklyn, And it was a 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:19.200 signal for fifty cent and the Brooklyn crew that go 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:25.760 wild starts snatching chains and going wild in the club, which. 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:29.600 Leads to my next question, and I've We've had every 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:33.280 luminary of the Latin Quarters from Special Led to like 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:36.399 literally everyone's come on the show and I asked them 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:42.000 the same thing, knowing the likelihood. 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:43.679 Of why did they play it? 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:47.280 No, knowing the likelihood of something about to break out, 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:53.000 a punch, a snatch, chains, chaos. Why would you risk 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:56.200 your life for the love of hip hop? Why would 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:56.760 you risk. 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:57.720 Your life for them? Go there? 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:02.440 Yes, because if you didn't go there, you was a 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:09.760 punk dude it to First of all, the Latin Quarrier 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:14.440 was all about location, location, location. It was right in 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:18.360 the middle of Times Square, bro Like, right in the 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:21.800 middle of forty eighth Street between Broadway and Seventh Avenue. 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:25.280 Okay, this building is where the ball drops. 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:29.320 Right then you got a big empty space where they 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:32.280 fill up during New Year's Right then there was another 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:35.880 building that had the Coca Cola bottle on it. The 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:39.160 Latin Cola was in that building. It was right in 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:43.320 the middle of Times Square, the busiest place in New 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:44.919 York City bar none. 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:47.240 Right, But what was. 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:53.240 About Times Square? Time Square was all about sex, drugs, 0:02:53.280 --> 0:03:00.080 and violence. The American dream as American as apple and 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:06.120 cherry pie. If people don't understand nothing else. They understand sex, drugs, 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:08.280 and violence. Let me tell you what I did in 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:14.320 Latin Quarters. Okay, you have in one hour, you have 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:19.359 more traffic passed by our club than anywhere in the world. 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:21.480 Right, So I took advantage of that. 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:26.960 I used to advertise ladies free before eleven, right, and 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:30.359 then I would make the lady's line go slow as hell. 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:32.320 I would open the ladies line at. 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:37.000 Ten to eleven, so every male driving by Times square 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:41.960 a line of women going all the way around the 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:43.360 block trying to get in free. 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:45.960 And then I cheated again. 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:51.040 I will walk that line and all the most beautiful 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:54.560 women and all the women who had the least clothes on, 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:56.880 I would bring them to the front of the line. 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:57.880 That's how it started. 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:00.080 I love this guy. 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:06.040 So next week every chick in that line looked like 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:13.120 Vanity six and everybody, I'm like, yo, I don't know 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:15.000 where you're going tonight, but I'm going there. 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:21.279 Who was your closest competition during this period between when's. 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:25.640 The becket eighty five? Really they want to hear some 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:29.360 crazy stuff. The real run of Latin Quarters that I 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:33.920 had was eighty six to eighty eight, two years it 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:35.159 was two and a half years. 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:37.200 In two and a half years. 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:40.200 That much impact incubated the golden era of hip hop. 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:42.600 It seemed like it was fifteen years. 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:44.240 Thought it was seven to eight. 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:49.120 No, there was the Africa Islam and other people would 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:52.080 do shows at Latin Quarters, but it was not a 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:56.440 hip hop club. The Latin Quarters were the first and 0:04:56.600 --> 0:05:02.039 only legitimate hip hop dance club. Our competition that opened 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:06.120 a few months after US was Union Square. They had 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:08.960 Red Alert before I did well. Red work with me 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:11.760 a little bit, but he worked at Union Square. He 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:15.280 helped make that pop. But the difference was it was 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:17.600 fourteenth Street, which is close to Brooklyn. 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:23.440 Curious, I'm curious what is the going rate to hire 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:26.200 Red Alert to be your Friday night DJ? 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:28.600 And how long is he spending for. 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:32.559 Red Alert used to come directly off of the air 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:36.600 at Kiss on Friday night and go directly to the 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:41.360 Latin Quarter and he would DJ for maybe he would 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:44.640 get to the club around twelve midnight, like about fifteen 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:47.160 after twelve, and he would DJ as much as he won. 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:51.000 I had like four five house DJs that also dj there. 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:54.400 So whenever Red took a break, you know, the party 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:57.520 kept going, but I don't know if I want to 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:01.560 divulge red paid this time, it was this way, it was, 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:03.640 it was uh, it was the top of the game 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:04.240 for the time. 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:07.119 Okay, can you make a real living? 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:11.480 Can you make a four figure living for a high three? 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:13.919 He ain't taking. 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:19.680 Okay now, but he already had a job at Kiss Radio, 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:21.960 you know what I mean. He was the top djai 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:22.440 on the radio. 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:25.520 We now live in the era where a Diplo or 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:29.760 Skrills makes two point five million, tell me about it, or. 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:32.080 You know, in the case of Pretty Lights makes. 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:34.599 We he'll make that every week. 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:37.920 Well yeah, Pretty. 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:41.200 Lights only spends ten times a year. 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:45.440 He must meet his price. He ain't coming. So thus 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:47.640 he meant to remember. 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:50.400 We were struggling to exist back in these days. Remember 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:53.599 hip hop. We was being dish left and right, you 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:59.440 know by Elder Winford, Marsallis and James and two May 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:02.600 and Larry Blackman from Cameo. 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:06.760 They were talking mad shit about hip hop. They were haters. 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:10.560 Yeah, but James and Toomey wound up being one of 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:14.880 my best friends because my elder edwin Bird's song brought 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:18.840 us together and I had a few conversations with James, 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:23.400 and he understood what we were trying to do and 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:27.440 he started advising us and supporting us. But the biggest 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:31.679 supporter that saved hip hop was none other than elder 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:32.720 Harry Belafonte. 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:34.200 Rest in pe Smster. 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:35.600 Beach talk about it, educate real quick. 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:41.080 Harry Belafonte produced Beach Street when all the other elders 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:42.160 were shitting on us. 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:46.360 Radio stations had taglines like no rap. 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:56.440 And they would play our instrumentals and not play our vocals. 0:07:56.920 --> 0:08:01.200 They were totally dissing us. We're not real musicians. We 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:05.920 just steal their shit. You know, we don't we don't sing. 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:09.360 You know, what we do is that dibbit when y'all 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:09.920 gonna sing? 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:11.120 You know. 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:13.680 Then we were so disrespected. 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:19.240 What are your top five live performance moments at the 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:19.960 Latin Quarter? 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:21.640 Wow, that's hard. 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:24.640 Top five, no particular. 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:32.040 Rock, sanne Chante, biz Markie and Big Daddy came. Okay, 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:35.400 and then later Big Daddy came on his own a 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:40.040 name my book, No half stepping. Because Big Daddy came 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:43.360 was the epitome of the Latin Quarter. What was it 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:47.920 about him? He had everything, He had the jewelry, he 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:53.000 had the haircut, he had the look, the dance, the voice, 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:59.200 the lyrical dexterity, and he had Marley Maul's beats, unfunckiable. 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:03.480 Big Daddy came with nothing to mess with. You could 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:05.520 not follow him at Latin Quarters. 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:09.720 Did you know was he feared or respected? In other words, 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:12.680 if you're like watching the show, I'm assuming you're watching 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:14.880 from the booth or whatever, don't I don't even know 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:15.080 what the. 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:19.679 Put it this way, car Ris won this everybody. 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:21.720 He dis the Juice Crew, but he did not this 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:26.160 Big Daddy came and Big Daddy Kane wrote some of 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:28.480 Sean Tay's This record against. 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:31.000 Kr Ris one interesting. 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:34.600 But it was a Latin Quarter family. You know, they 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:38.160 had become family at the LQ. We didn't go against 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:41.360 each other at the LQ. It was like the only 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:44.360 thing that we don't have now that we had back 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:48.760 then is each other. If twenty artists got on stage 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:51.960 and performed that night, at the end of the day 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:55.360 when the club is closing, or twenty of those artists 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:59.000 that perform was still in the damn club. Nowadays you 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:03.120 put five artists after they performed, I mean they leave 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:07.760 and take their people that came to see them with them. 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:08.559 Not at LQ. 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:13.000 We stayed from the time that club open to the 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:17.400 time it closed. Sometimes we closed eight nine in the morning, 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:22.600 you know what I'm saying. And you know it's still 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:25.360 be deep in the club. Whenever we close the. 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:28.000 Door, we will lock the door at five. 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:33.400 Ain't nobody else getting in. But if you already in there, man, 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:37.040 the owner already bounced to let's keep the party going. 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:38.080 It's not. 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:40.800 Now, I'm you know. 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:44.640 In the nineties and especially in the arts, like, I 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:48.440 don't know of any club night existence without the fire 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:51.440 marshal coming in to shut it down. You know, the 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:55.480 inspector coming to see you. Guys never had those problems whatsoever. No, 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:59.000 they didn't know that even they didn't know you guys existed. 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:00.559 Or oh they knew we existed. You run in the 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:04.360 middle of a Times Square. You couldn't help but notice us, 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:03.679 you know. 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:09.640 Uh, well, we had plenty of police on our payroll. 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:14.800 We had six undercover cops as security, and a whole 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:20.080 bunch more. And we had Mike Goldberg. It was such 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:23.839 a brilliant business man. I loved that dude. And he 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:26.439 gave a nineteen year old the keys to the club. 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:26.640 Bro. 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:28.840 Can you imagine you were nineteen at the time. I 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:30.800 was nineteen years old when I saw running the Latin. 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:34.640 Did you have any experience whatsoever in terms of negotiating 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:35.800 or any of those things. 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:38.240 Yeah, I used to I used to be a street DJ. 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:41.520 I was a hustler. I'm from Highbridge. You know what 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:44.959 I'm saying. I was a pool shark, but Latin But 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:49.080 I was hanging out way before Latin Quarter. I was 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:54.960 learning from South Abatilla at the disco Fever. I'm watching him, 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:58.040 you know what I'm saying. I'm talking to Jungbug and 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:00.000 Courtges blowing all of them. 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:01.559 Learning from Russell Simmons. 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:04.640 You know, I'm working with Russell Simmons, Rush Productions and 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:07.360 Depth dam and since nineteen eighty three. 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:10.360 You know, I'm in the studio with run dmc, Curtis, 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:11.679 blow Ll cool J. 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:16.319 I'm watching all of these things get created, and I'm 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:18.520 learning every step of the way. 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:22.360 I had Pete DJ Jones who owned. 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:27.280 A bar one block from my crib. I'm learning from him. 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:31.079 When I'm seven eight years old, I'm twelve years old. 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:32.199 I'm DJing in the bar. 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:35.720 So what's can. 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:39.079 You tell me what the general modus operandi or just 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:41.079 the general operation. 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:45.320 Of what it takes to keep. 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:48.719 That operation going on your nights, in terms of what 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:55.520 you're doing from Saturday to Thursday night. Like flyers calls 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:58.000 managers money. 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:02.080 I never dealt with managers. I never dealt with promoters. 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:06.400 I never dealt with booking agents. All of the artists 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:09.960 hang out with me before Latin Quarters. 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:13.960 I was like the hip hop concierge of New York. 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:14.959 You know what I'm saying. 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:19.080 On a Friday Saturday night, I'm hanging with Curtis Blow, 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:23.559 Orange Juice, Jones, Run, DMC, the Fat Boys, Houdani. All 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:25.199 these people are calling me. 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:27.160 Yo, dice, where the party at. 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:30.360 I'd be like, hold on, let me see, Oh, tonight 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:34.640 is popping at the funhouse. I'll go to the club early, 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:38.719 let them know who I got coming later and when 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:39.520 they could. 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:41.280 You go to other bars and lure them. 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:41.839 Yep. 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:45.320 So there was no like calling Carol Lewis. 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:47.760 Or nah nah. We didn't do none of that. We 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:49.400 dealt directly with the artists. 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:51.360 They didn't have to pay no manager, they didn't have 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:55.320 to pay no booking agent. And like you're already hanging 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:58.000 out at the club right you drinking? You got a 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:00.320 girl you want to go to the hotel, you roll 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.760 up a yo dice, but you put me on. I'd 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.520 be like all right, And it was just like yeah, 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:10.200 I go to Mike Goldberger and say your Mike just 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:11.000 dice on the rock. 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:15.920 It's like cool. I was like, let's let's give him 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:16.360 eight hundred. 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:21.280 He'd be like, Okay, no hotel, no limo, He's right here, 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:22.840 right now here, go ahead. 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:25.440 So we didn't really even have to book artists. 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:28.960 They already was in the club, you know, and then 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:32.840 you you couldn't touch us. You show up Friday, on Saturday, 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:37.720 Mike Tyson's hanging out, Bobby Brown's in there hanging out, 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:41.280 The Cosmic Kids out in there hanging out. Yeah, you know, 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:45.240 Chris Rock's in there hanging out, you know, and every 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:49.440 major and independent artist in New York is there. 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:52.680 There was no place else to be. Yeah. 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:54.560 I think on this show Paradise, you should know that. 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:56.720 I think where were we at twenty guests? At least 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:01.360 twenty guests on this podcast alone. If told Latin quarter stories, 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:04.200 and most of those people that you've already named. 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:07.320 Mm hmm, I got one that you haven't spoken to. 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:14.280 Who was who was the coach check girl heaven. 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:20.960 She might get start. We were like what you lived 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:22.760 in the Latin She literally lived in the. 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:25.320 Latin Quarter, and she she was homeless, and she used 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:27.200 to sneak in the club, but I just didn't let 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:31.240 her in anyway. And here's something that most people didn't 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:32.720 know at the time. 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:35.120 She was homeless. She was in an art. 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:41.160 Program in the village for homeless youth. And her teacher 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:43.520 and mentor was Keith Haring. 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:50.200 What and to this day what Heather's art. 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:53.240 Yes, it's better than Keith having dude. 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:57.040 Her her entire apartment is just like a bunch of sculptures, 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:58.520 a photographer I didn't even. 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:03.760 Know her, and a painter, and her paintings you could 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:08.000 tell they have keep having influence, but they just so 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:11.320 more alive and compelling. 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:15.080 Her apartments standing there at museum, y'all done. But ye, 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:18.840 murals and sculptures and all those things. 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:20.680 And you had no idea fast forward that what she 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:23.680 was going to evolve into in the I had. 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:27.280 A little bit of a clue she was going to coach. 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:37.080 I wanted to ask you about X clam Man And like, 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:38.680 how y'all formed. 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:42.480 At Latin courts? Really, Brother j and professor, you. 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:44.800 Guys are regular dressing cats, and then you're here. 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.640 I would never know regular dressing dude. Flip through that book. 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:54.120 I'm looking you guys went through a street where that 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:55.560 morphed into you sit a cover. 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:59.440 Yes, that's me. Then I know this. Then morton to 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:04.400 but yeah I do. I do want to know. 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:10.480 Yeah, now you're in your sma, which is which is awesome. Yeah, 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:12.040 but how did the band formed? 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:17.200 I was working at the Latin Quarter and Lamomba Professor 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:22.679 x Overseer aka Lamomba Carson. He called Heidi Smith from 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:26.320 Rush Productions earlier in the day and he asked her 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:29.880 if he could get some of their groups to perform 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:35.080 at a fundraiser for anti drug concert in Brooklyn, and 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:35.520 she was like. 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:37.840 No, we don't do that kind of thing, you know. 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:39.600 He's like really, She was like. 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:43.440 Yeah, you need to find artists who are more young 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:48.440 and independent, you know, because our artists do concert series 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:51.200 and we don't do charity like that. So she said, 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:55.760 I'll tell you what. Go to Latin Quarters and and 0:17:55.840 --> 0:18:00.560 see paradise. He knows all the new artists and he'll 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:02.320 probably be able to help you put a show together. 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:04.760 She called me, put him on the guest list, and 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:07.320 he showed up one day and I let him in free, 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:12.080 and he wound up becoming my partner because he talked 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:14.320 to me. He saw the energy that we had at 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:20.840 the club, and I helped him do event in Prospect Park, Brooklyn, 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:24.920 and I brought half the artists from the Latin Quarter 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:31.320 to the park, including Statsasonic, Ultra Magnetic Boogie Down production. 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:32.159 It was crazy. 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:35.280 We had like forty fifty thousand people show up in 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:39.800 the park, no violence, and we tore it down and 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:42.440 raised a whole bunch of money for the anti crack 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:45.160 organization that we was working with. 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:47.800 And from that moment, he was like paradise. 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:53.360 If we could bring this youthful energy to my father's movement, 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:59.960 we could change everything. And I was like, yeah, whatever, 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:03.560 We're gonna make money, I. 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:05.600 Hope, so I'm like cool. 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:09.520 So he took me to the Slave Theater and on 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:14.159 Fulton Street in bed Star and Al Sharpton, Reverend Al 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:17.000 Sharpton used to own that theater and do rallies there. 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:20.200 So today I went to meet his father Sonny Carson. 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:24.800 They were doing a rally there and I walked through 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:28.280 the door and I thought I had stepped into a 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:33.520 time machine or a Saturday Night Live skip because all 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:36.880 the elders was in there. They had big silver afros 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:42.560 and they was wearing Dashiki's and here I am. I 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:46.600 got hazel contact lendsers, Jemmy curl diamond rings. I got 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:50.080 a fur coat on, a Louis Baton tam, a Louis 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:53.840 Baton sweater, you know what I mean. I had some 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:58.879 brown shark skin soup pants. You know. So I go 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:01.119 in there and I'm looking at them like they was 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:06.240 in costumes. I'm all costumed out myself, right. The mom 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:08.440 what takes me over to introduce me to his father. 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:13.600 He says, a brother, Sonny, this is my homeboy, Paradise 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:20.240 I was telling you about. Sonny stares at me without 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:23.960 saying nothing, looks me in my eyes, and he looks 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:28.040 follows down head to toe, and then he looks at 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:31.879 me and says, what kind of name is Paradise for 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:39.880 a nigga? I said, well, actually, it's not a name. 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:44.080 It's an invocation of my goals. I'm trying to achieve 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:47.920 Paradise in my life. So every time someone says that name, 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:54.240 it reminds me of my goals. He's smiled, did a 0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:58.640 deep lad. He said, Oh, you're a smart nigga too. 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:01.480 Huh. 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:04.280 I'll tell you what. You see that door that you 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:04.800 walked in. 0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:08.080 If I was you, I'd walk out that door fast 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:10.200 as I came in here, because if you stick around here, 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:12.280 we're gonna mess up everything you think. 0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:15.080 You know. I was like really, He was like yeah. 0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:18.040 I was like, I think I'll stick around for a minute, 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:21.560 and he smiled at me and gave me the deep 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:22.840 belly laugh. 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:27.560 Sonny Carson had moved Fossa's voice. You know what I'm saying. 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:30.960 When Sonny speak, you know the police and anybody else 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:31.360 do that. 0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:38.600 Sonny Carson was no joke. Baby, my elder. 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:41.320 I literally didn't know that that was his his son 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:44.959 Now makes sense, Yeah, Sonny Carson, La Mumba Carson. 0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:47.480 Was he right about what your life and how you 0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:48.200 should have walked out? 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:49.640 It had changed? Hell? 0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:50.840 Yeah? 0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:53.919 And the beautiful thing about it is him or the 0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:57.919 elders never mentioned my hazel contacts. They never mentioned my 0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:01.240 gold and diamonds and the flamboyant way I dressed. They 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:07.600 just responded to my intelligence and my promotion and marketing skills, 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:12.359 and they just taught me who I was, So I 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:14.760 got rid of the costume on my own. 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:15.920 I didn't need it anymore. 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:19.280 How did brother Jay? He was just one of my 0:22:19.359 --> 0:22:24.520 favorite MC's man and he had just that voice. Yeah, 0:22:24.880 --> 0:22:28.560 working on the first album, man, Like, how how did 0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:29.760 that come about? 0:22:30.080 --> 0:22:33.320 Sugar Chef used to be one of the violators. Oh okay. 0:22:33.640 --> 0:22:35.639 He used to hang with Chris Lighty and them dudes 0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:38.399 were Read Alert and he was one of the guys 0:22:38.400 --> 0:22:41.600 that would carry Red crates and records from the radio 0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:45.800 station to the Latin Quarter. One day, you know, he 0:22:46.160 --> 0:22:48.960 was on the subway, the two train going to Brooklyn. 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:51.159 I was on the same train. We got off the 0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:53.840 train at the same stop. We looked at each other. 0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:55.560 I was like, yeah, where you live? He said, I 0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:57.119 live right around the corner. I said, yeah, I live 0:22:57.200 --> 0:23:00.720 right here. So he stopped going there in quartered with 0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:04.520 Red Alerts riding with me, and we became really good friends. 0:23:04.520 --> 0:23:07.960 And he kept telling me about his homeboy brother Jay, 0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:10.119 who was really good as a rapper and all this, 0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:12.919 and that I really wasn't working with artists on that 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:16.600 level anymore, developing them, but him and Sugar Sap was 0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:18.920 like seventeen years old, and. 0:23:20.600 --> 0:23:21.960 I kind of let them hang with me. 0:23:22.160 --> 0:23:25.280 Wait he was seventeen with that voice, Brother Jay, motherfuckers 0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:27.520 sounded like my dad wrote. 0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:30.240 To the East black Wood was when he was seventeen 0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:33.240 years old and spit it when he was eighteen. 0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:34.160 How about that? 0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:34.639 Wow? 0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:37.320 So when people make excuses and say, oh, dudes are 0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:38.359 young and I no. 0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:40.480 But that's like with x Claan. 0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:43.320 To me, I just looked at him like, oh, okay, 0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:48.159 forty old pay y'all just looked like y'all looked like 0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:49.359 my cool ass uncle. 0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:53.399 Professor X was probably your cool last uncle, you know 0:23:53.480 --> 0:23:53.880 what I mean? 0:23:53.920 --> 0:23:55.000 He was bolder than. 0:23:57.720 --> 0:23:59.840 I didn't think I was older than one of y'all. 0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:03.960 Damn brother to thefinitely brother Jane sugar Shaft from my 0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:04.639 Little Brothers. 0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:10.160 Since you mentioned it now, one of our most infamous 0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:16.440 Latin quarter guests, sir mc search you still searching for. 0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:23.280 That guy where you go right right? 0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:23.560 All right? 0:24:23.640 --> 0:24:26.560 But wait wait, but no, no, no, But this also 0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:30.040 involves Pete as well, because it just hit me when 0:24:30.640 --> 0:24:37.480 I brought the EP the Cactus EP three Strikes five thousand, 0:24:39.320 --> 0:24:41.880 was there were some shots fired at the X Clan 0:24:42.000 --> 0:24:45.320 organization and then of course I forget the song the 0:24:45.320 --> 0:24:47.840 song where you guys start with pop goes the weasel? 0:24:49.320 --> 0:24:55.399 What was the unspoken, indirect, non passive aggressive shots fired 0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:58.520 between those clans? And I guess also if you want 0:24:58.520 --> 0:24:59.120 to add. 0:24:58.920 --> 0:25:01.800 It between love and hey. 0:25:02.040 --> 0:25:05.000 But also today when I was listening to sex and Violence, 0:25:05.400 --> 0:25:07.800 there was some satisfied there too, like so wait what 0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:09.440 happened between. 0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:12.399 When I first met Prime Minister Pete Nice. He was 0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:16.840 seventeen years old and he was going to Boys and 0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:23.000 Girls High School and he was managed by a gentleman 0:25:23.400 --> 0:25:31.119 named Robert Lamumba Carson Professor X before X claim really 0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:36.440 and he was in a group called sin Quinn and right. 0:25:36.720 --> 0:25:40.080 And then once Professor X met me, now he had 0:25:40.160 --> 0:25:43.280 access to care as one big daddy came just Nice. 0:25:43.560 --> 0:25:48.440 He neglected the groups he already was managing, right, which 0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:53.119 Pete Nice was one of them. So MC search was 0:25:53.160 --> 0:25:56.400 hanging at the Latin Quarter with me, and Pete Nice 0:25:56.480 --> 0:26:00.359 came to the Latin Quarter with Professor X. So Pete 0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:05.520 got frustrated because they didn't get any run or no focus. 0:26:05.760 --> 0:26:09.840 So Pete went to the moment and said, hey, death 0:26:09.920 --> 0:26:12.840 Jam is interested in signing me if you're not gonna 0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:15.720 do nothing with me? Could you release me? And Professor 0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:19.560 X laughed him out the door and released him death 0:26:19.640 --> 0:26:25.400 Jam's gonna sign you Ah, and Russell pulled the Beastie 0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:29.280 Boys two point zero. He took two independent artists that 0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:35.280 they were interested in and created Third Base. And Search 0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:39.359 was a cool dude, but he exaggerated a lot, and 0:26:40.240 --> 0:26:44.560 he was very popular at Latin Quarter, but he was 0:26:44.600 --> 0:26:45.800 not popular at Latin. 0:26:45.640 --> 0:26:51.080 Quarter for rapping. He got popular at Latin no Oh 0:26:51.359 --> 0:26:52.200 as a joke. 0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:54.520 I used to host the shows, me and read Alert 0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:57.240 and Bismarck. It would snap on each other, the warm 0:26:57.320 --> 0:27:01.760 the crowd up. And there was this real fat six 0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:05.840 foot three dudes in the crowd that called him heavy right. 0:27:06.600 --> 0:27:11.840 This dude was like butter and ice on the dance floor. 0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:17.080 He was so big, but he was so smooth, and 0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:20.000 so I would always pull him up on the stage 0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:22.480 to warm the crowd up. And while he would dance, 0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:25.119 run Alert would play some joints and I'd be like, 0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:28.240 go fat boy, go fat boy, and the whole crowd 0:27:28.280 --> 0:27:32.440 be screaming, go fat boy, go fat Boy, and mc 0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:35.720 search game running Can I go? 0:27:36.400 --> 0:27:38.320 I was like, oh God, here we go. 0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:41.440 Because mc search thought he could dance but he had 0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:42.280 two left feet. 0:27:43.080 --> 0:27:44.800 He was cool with us. We liked him. 0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:47.879 He was our dude. He was a great guy, but 0:27:48.000 --> 0:27:52.159 he could not dance. He would dance, don't know. 0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:53.360 He would try and. 0:27:53.320 --> 0:28:02.440 We would okay, with two left feet, I'm trying. 0:28:02.520 --> 0:28:03.960 I'm trying to be Switzerland here. 0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:05.560 I mean, I'm working on. 0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:08.480 And I got love for Peter. 0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:13.560 Corn was where brothers was dancing in that club. Dude, 0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:17.520 you're not their level period ever. So he would run 0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:20.399 on stage and Red would play dudey James and I 0:28:20.440 --> 0:28:23.679 would go gold, white Boy, Gold white Boy go in. 0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:26.480 The crowd would go crazy, and they loved him. 0:28:27.200 --> 0:28:30.720 Novel to see the white guy with rhythm. He took 0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:32.240 advantage of that, right, I. 0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:33.040 See, greatly. 0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:38.560 But then as he became third base, he seemed like 0:28:38.600 --> 0:28:41.240 he was trying to be a brother and he was 0:28:41.280 --> 0:28:43.640 going too far with it as far as we was concerned, 0:28:43.840 --> 0:28:46.520 Like when the camera zoomed up to the back of 0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:48.560 his head and he turned around like. 0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:53.400 It's the other man, it was like, what what did 0:28:53.400 --> 0:28:56.840 you talking about? Dude? Like what are you doing? You know? 0:28:56.960 --> 0:29:00.200 So he was an ultimate culture vulture, but he was 0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:02.760 accepted because he hung out with us and we accepted 0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:05.240 him hanging with us, you know, then he did the 0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:10.360 group would wound up being our good friend m F. 0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:14.760 Doom and the logo was a coon face and we 0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:18.720 didn't like that. KMD. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying. 0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:21.680 So it was it was a lot of cultural problem 0:29:21.760 --> 0:29:23.080 that we was having problems with. 0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:27.720 Amir mentioned the Hip Hop Museum in his roll call. 0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:30.600 I just wanted to touch on that a little bit 0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:33.160 for our listeners who may not know what's going on. 0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:34.400 Wait, I'll get there eventually. 0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:36.200 Right, he still want to get to the part where 0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:37.920 Kenny Parker just did it. 0:29:38.040 --> 0:29:39.800 Right, I'll get there. Wait. 0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:42.960 You also didn't name the other four performers at the 0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:45.960 Latin Quarter. I was I'm starting not hoping to get 0:29:45.960 --> 0:29:48.400 the story of Melle Mail and the push ups or 0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:49.040 the sit ups. 0:29:49.360 --> 0:29:54.200 Melly Mail was the debo of the Latin Quarter. He 0:29:54.440 --> 0:29:57.760 was the filter. That's what I called him. If you 0:29:57.840 --> 0:29:59.920 got on stage and you was whag. 0:30:00.600 --> 0:30:08.000 Mellie Mail was Sandman, really self appointed Sandman. Him and 0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:12.240 Busy B were the most arrogant dudes ever. They were 0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:14.840 coming the club throwing elbows at dudes. 0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:18.560 Get out the way, Get out the way. The champions here, 0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:21.719 the champions here. Ain't none of y'all getting no money tonight, 0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:24.040 and y'all ain't getting no puts he tonight. 0:30:24.680 --> 0:30:29.280 The champs is here, and you be on stage rocking. 0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:31.400 All of a sudden, you hit the crowd going crazy. 0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:33.240 You're like, oh, I'm doing it tonight. 0:30:33.960 --> 0:30:36.520 And then you take a look to the sign and 0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:42.440 Mellie mel standing there with his shirt off, Muscle Simmons 0:30:42.920 --> 0:30:46.720 in his full glory. Then he started doing push ups 0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:49.240 real quick while you're. 0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:49.200 Trying to do a show. 0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:52.320 You like, So he's working out on the side of 0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:54.720 the stage, you know, on the stage. 0:30:55.800 --> 0:30:57.720 He's on the stage with you now. 0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:00.920 Doing what are you? 0:31:01.120 --> 0:31:02.840 Are you allowed to name some of the artists that 0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:04.920 he disrespected, who remembers them? 0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:07.480 So? 0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:10.600 Were there some artists that before him? 0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:14.960 Again they disappeared? He show him all right, you know, 0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:15.880 he jumped. 0:31:15.600 --> 0:31:19.320 On his feet, snatched the mic and say red alert, 0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:21.320 put on some real hip hop. 0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:24.440 I'm tired of this bullshit. And then he would rock 0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:25.240 the house. 0:31:25.000 --> 0:31:27.280 And never cause a fight. Nobody ever wanted to fight 0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:31.000 him after they I'm just man. 0:31:32.400 --> 0:31:33.200 So he got muscled. 0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:36.040 It was only a couple of dudes that had the 0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:40.080 balls or the size to deal with Melly Mel Justice 0:31:40.400 --> 0:31:44.480 and King's son. They can handle him physically, but ain't 0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:45.680 nobody wanted to try that. 0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:50.320 Plus he's the goat this Grandma's and Melly mal a 0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:51.240 child is born. 0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:55.480 Damn you ain't got no wins there until one day 0:31:56.960 --> 0:31:59.880 Belly Mel jumped on the stage with that bragg of dose. 0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:03.360 I got five hundred dollars. Anybody in here wanted come 0:32:03.440 --> 0:32:04.440 get it right now? 0:32:04.920 --> 0:32:08.360 Oh y'all, he's looking at run DMC and LL and 0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:10.760 all of them like and then you heard the crowd 0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:15.040 go crazy, and you look and krs one was standing 0:32:15.080 --> 0:32:21.240 there like this, okay, now, it already was some friction 0:32:21.440 --> 0:32:26.000 between the last generation and the new generation. The first 0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:29.880 shots across the bow that was successful was none other 0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:35.080 than LL cool J. LL was not having it Coolmo 0:32:35.200 --> 0:32:39.040 d iced tea whoever, he was not intimidated. 0:32:39.360 --> 0:32:42.040 And if you went at LL, he coming back at you. 0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:46.600 The first shots across the old school bow was. 0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:49.600 By LL cool J. So he got it right here. 0:32:49.800 --> 0:32:52.640 It was right here, and it was bubbling and then 0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:56.200 kr us one dropped the nail in the coffin. 0:32:57.320 --> 0:32:59.880 What happened that night, like can you describe well? 0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:02.880 Was it a song was n the battle. 0:33:02.960 --> 0:33:06.200 I handed car us One the mic and kr us 0:33:06.280 --> 0:33:12.120 One did a freestyle. First, he did this everybody in 0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:15.240 the club that he had beef with. He did about 0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:21.440 four people before going that Mail Rock, sand Sean tay Uh. 0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:26.880 He went at mc shan of course, coogie rap even 0:33:27.320 --> 0:33:28.680 you know, I am a professional. 0:33:28.800 --> 0:33:30.840 This is not a demo, Chris do a bunch of 0:33:30.840 --> 0:33:31.400 shots to grow. 0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:35.720 Oh no, I didn't even catch that. I am a professor. 0:33:36.120 --> 0:33:39.280 This is not it's a demo. It's a demos. It's 0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:39.840 a demos. 0:33:40.000 --> 0:33:41.720 I'm just catching that, see what I'm saying. 0:33:42.040 --> 0:33:45.040 So Chris was already set up to be that next 0:33:45.160 --> 0:33:49.600 dude because he had just smashed, which was difficult to 0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:52.480 do because Sham was as popular as LL back in 0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:55.920 the day. Sha was not no easy not to crack, 0:33:56.520 --> 0:34:00.040 you know what I'm saying. Sham was highly respected. And 0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:03.680 so Carrius One did a freestyle. He went at Mail 0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:07.120 and then he said, hey, yo, who won this battle 0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:10.520 and dropped the mic and the crowd went crazy and 0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:13.840 Melly mal he was so angry. The crowd was like 0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:16.040 going for Carris One and he didn't even rhyme yet. 0:34:16.160 --> 0:34:18.719 He start jumping up and down. It's not fair. I 0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:20.400 didn't get to go yet. I didn't get to go. 0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:22.719 I said, come on, y'all, this is melly Mao. You 0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:29.080 gotta least let the man spit. Mellie mal dug in 0:34:29.120 --> 0:34:32.520 that brilliant brain of his and came out with one 0:34:32.520 --> 0:34:34.640 of the dopest rhymes I ever heard. 0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:38.320 He was talking about spaceships. 0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:42.400 And battling aliens and molecules and scientific facts, and he 0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:49.120 killed it. But the crowd was like, no manoo, and 0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:52.080 some people cheered him. But Carris won won to day, 0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:57.960 and from that day on things started changing. You know, 0:34:58.400 --> 0:35:03.160 Big Daddy Cane got really ridiculous in there, rock him, 0:35:03.280 --> 0:35:06.320 came out of nowhere on them. Check out my melody. 0:35:06.960 --> 0:35:10.520 You know, Eric beat for president Red Alert, banging that 0:35:10.840 --> 0:35:12.160 like over and over. 0:35:12.840 --> 0:35:13.759 It was a new day. 0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:18.560 Well okay, so what are the other three that you 0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:18.920 can name? 0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:20.200 Uh? 0:35:21.040 --> 0:35:23.399 Other three that got dissed by Meloy man No, no, no no. 0:35:23.600 --> 0:35:27.439 The other three like life changing performances that happened at. 0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:30.879 The Big Daddy came, Man, Big Daddy came. When he 0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:36.279 first came out with schoob and scrap. He changed the game, bro. 0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:40.440 It was just I mean heavy dn of boys whoa 0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:43.640 when they rock miss the big stuff at Latin Quarters 0:35:44.160 --> 0:35:45.440 forget about it. 0:35:45.680 --> 0:35:47.760 Really yeah, man, that's. 0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:50.480 So sonic performed with my man Bobby Simmons with the 0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:52.840 live drum. 0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:54.120 That was crazy. 0:35:54.160 --> 0:35:59.360 I mean, it was just so many amazing, amazing performances, 0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:05.160 especially you know EPMD bro Oh my god. They used 0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:08.560 to tear the Latin Quarters down, and then out of 0:36:08.600 --> 0:36:13.440 nowhere came the native tongues. The tribe called Quest, the 0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:16.000 Jungle Brothers, Daylon Soul. 0:36:15.840 --> 0:36:19.000 So that could fly only love it was born there. 0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:22.600 Okay, I'm only asking that because it seems to me 0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:27.040 that the Latin Quarter seems more hard of me, no ob. 0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:28.160 Dapper dan variety. 0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:32.799 And then suddenly here comes like no backpackers. Yeah, like 0:36:33.320 --> 0:36:36.080 I would figure like they were the nerves and duebs of. 0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:39.160 So they were walkome with. 0:36:39.440 --> 0:36:44.160 Yeah, because they were already people who hung out at 0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:47.280 the Latin Quarters. Ninety percent of the artist that broke 0:36:47.320 --> 0:36:50.520 in Latin Quarters was always in the crowd. Kid and 0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:53.399 play was in the crowd at Latin Quarters. Their name 0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:57.840 was the Fresh Force Kid Cool Out and Playboy, and 0:36:57.880 --> 0:37:00.520 they had a song called off a Rock I'm a. 0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:03.080 Deis see I was gonna say, please don't say I'm. 0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:08.080 The They sampled Rocked Me and then a song off 0:37:08.080 --> 0:37:11.399 of rock Me a'madas and they had another song called 0:37:11.440 --> 0:37:12.360 She's a Skeezer. 0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:15.239 That song which is what I did this. 0:37:19.120 --> 0:37:21.480 Posts told me about that, okay, with the same beat 0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:22.399 for three days later. 0:37:22.840 --> 0:37:26.279 Yeah. But then they saw the I O U and 0:37:26.320 --> 0:37:27.759 the JAC dances. 0:37:28.160 --> 0:37:30.880 They changed their head sounds, they changed the way that 0:37:30.920 --> 0:37:36.439 they dress, and somehow the dance that was being done 0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:39.240 at the Latin Quarters became the Kiddn't play kickstep. 0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:43.480 So all those dances were born there. We're talking about 0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:46.640 like the Steve Martin, the Mark. 0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:51.840 Top Oh my god, dude used to kill when he performed. 0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:58.280 You know who else killed at lag Quarters, Schoolly d Yes. 0:37:58.960 --> 0:38:02.200 And remember this was New jack City, New York, Okay. 0:38:02.640 --> 0:38:06.600 You know this was around the time of Larry Davis 0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:10.719 and the Central Park five and Useph Hawkins murder. So 0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:15.440 there was a tension in the young black people at 0:38:15.480 --> 0:38:17.400 the time also, and. 0:38:17.680 --> 0:38:18.919 We were angry at a lot. 0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:22.480 You know, parth I was going on, Nelson Mandela was 0:38:22.520 --> 0:38:25.799 still in jail, you know what I'm saying. So there 0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:31.200 was a consciousness that took over the club because the 0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:34.880 Zulu Nation and the beginnings of the Black Watch movement 0:38:35.320 --> 0:38:38.800 and the five Percent Nation was heavy in the club. 0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:42.600 So we was all about the fifth element, knowledge, wisdom 0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:45.600 and understanding at the same time we was creating this music. 0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:47.120 So that is official. 0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:49.760 I was wondering when you look up hip hop sometimes, okay, 0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:52.400 the fifth element is knowledge, wisdom and understanding. All right, 0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:59.200 I felt like it came much later, can. 0:38:59.080 --> 0:38:59.480 You all right? 0:38:59.520 --> 0:39:02.400 Since the the sound system was ungodly? 0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:03.040 Yes? 0:39:03.800 --> 0:39:06.160 What did you guys think when y'all first heard Rebel 0:39:06.200 --> 0:39:09.480 without a pause? Because I heard it two in the 0:39:09.520 --> 0:39:14.240 morning on a radio with the volume down, and of course, 0:39:14.400 --> 0:39:17.640 like you know, I'm talking about clock radio. I can't 0:39:17.680 --> 0:39:21.799 imagine what it is to hear this teakettle noise of 0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:23.320 Public Enemy. 0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:28.200 That song saved Public Enemies career because Public Enemy got 0:39:28.280 --> 0:39:31.520 booed off the stage at Latin Quarters and their first 0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:34.120 show Grand Master and Mellie Mail. 0:39:34.760 --> 0:39:36.320 He was on the side doing push ups. 0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:39.239 No, he couldn't get to the stage, but he was 0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:41.359 in the crowd heckling him the whole. 0:39:41.080 --> 0:39:43.400 Time that shit ain't hip hop. 0:39:43.680 --> 0:39:46.799 They on stage with oozies and shit were trying to 0:39:46.840 --> 0:39:50.359 stop the violence. What is this, Russell Simmons, you need 0:39:50.400 --> 0:39:53.520 to sign grand Master flies in the previous five putting 0:39:53.520 --> 0:39:57.200 all this bullshit on stage, I had to I had 0:39:57.280 --> 0:40:02.200 to literally pull Melly Mal off the dance floor and 0:40:02.680 --> 0:40:06.200 explain to him what the s one w's were and 0:40:06.280 --> 0:40:11.720 why they had the plastic oozies. But then they came 0:40:12.080 --> 0:40:15.480 later with Rebel without a pause, and guess what it 0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:20.840 was a hip hop dance classic. You put that record 0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:25.160 on the IOU and the jay Z dances break their. 0:40:25.080 --> 0:40:26.520 Necks in the club off it. 0:40:27.520 --> 0:40:31.960 And that inspired Chuck to step up the tempo, and 0:40:32.080 --> 0:40:35.000 he realized, as you get up there. 0:40:34.880 --> 0:40:37.799 And dance at the LQ right right right, I get it. 0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:41.479 I see it now, I see it now, I see 0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:45.120 it now. So the next question I want to know 0:40:45.400 --> 0:40:48.600 is why did it end so early. 0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:55.759 Monday? Location? Location? Location? It was sitting on. 0:40:57.239 --> 0:41:00.320 That property that was way too valuable for them to 0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:02.640 keep just letting us little niggats. 0:41:02.680 --> 0:41:06.000 Have ain't back club there since. 0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:12.640 Exactly they built the hotel, which one isnaissance, yeah. 0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:13.359 We used to stay there. 0:41:13.480 --> 0:41:18.040 Wow, Okay, yep, the Union Square club had closed, so 0:41:18.120 --> 0:41:19.920 all the crazy ass Brooklyn. 0:41:19.680 --> 0:41:21.520 Niggas ain't have nowhere to hang out no more. 0:41:21.600 --> 0:41:24.719 So they came uptown to the Latin Quarters and they 0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:27.520 turned the Latin Quarters into the Okay carraal. 0:41:27.280 --> 0:41:29.200 All right, so it was the myth of Brooklyn. 0:41:30.280 --> 0:41:33.120 Real, I e Like, we just want to party and 0:41:33.120 --> 0:41:34.720 here come Brooklyn wounding out again. 0:41:34.960 --> 0:41:37.400 Hell yeah, that sh it was true because it wasn't 0:41:37.440 --> 0:41:40.040 just ghost steps to that set them off. That was 0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:44.239 the second song. There was another song that was more 0:41:44.239 --> 0:41:47.279 of a trigger than that, which was Brooklyn's than the 0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:52.440 House by d C dcly. 0:41:55.840 --> 0:41:59.440 So any Brooklyn song is just going to trigger. 0:42:01.600 --> 0:42:06.160 It's fifty cent and the Supreme Team and the Hollis 0:42:06.280 --> 0:42:09.120 Crew and the whole powder keg of different. 0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:10.880 So they were all paid. 0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:12.480 They get in yeah. 0:42:13.840 --> 0:42:16.040 Yoke and still change and no. 0:42:16.160 --> 0:42:18.400 Well at first, I mean it took a while because 0:42:18.440 --> 0:42:20.800 fifty would come to me, he respected me, and I 0:42:20.800 --> 0:42:22.480 would let them in free, give him drink to get 0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:23.960 treat him like they were stars too. 0:42:24.040 --> 0:42:26.000 He explaining who fifty was. And now we're not talking 0:42:26.000 --> 0:42:26.920 about Curtis Jackson. 0:42:27.120 --> 0:42:30.840 No, he was a little gangster ass Doug from Brooklyn, 0:42:31.440 --> 0:42:34.719 who was one of the original knuckleheads that you just 0:42:35.400 --> 0:42:39.160 he had no respect for nobody not even himself, and 0:42:39.200 --> 0:42:41.239 he would come to the club with two guns and 0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:42.360 a bulletpoof vest on. 0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:44.759 I would let him keep all let him in. 0:42:45.440 --> 0:42:49.359 I would look put it this way, okay, right, if 0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:52.160 you let him in, he could control the other ones 0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:56.680 that's lesser than him. So instead of going wild, now 0:42:56.680 --> 0:43:00.920 they had something to lose. Now they had status, and 0:43:01.080 --> 0:43:04.200 now they wouldn't just run up on somebody and rob them. 0:43:04.360 --> 0:43:06.399 They would come to me first and be like, yo, dice, 0:43:06.520 --> 0:43:10.000 is that your man? I'd be like, yeah, damn man 0:43:10.080 --> 0:43:11.960 told me, can't be coming up in here like that 0:43:12.040 --> 0:43:13.840 man organized. 0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:16.240 Crime and that would be ok what would they walking 0:43:16.320 --> 0:43:20.200 target look like? Ll WOJ tell me the story, jam 0:43:20.239 --> 0:43:23.680 Master J. I heard that story about dragging on the floor, 0:43:23.719 --> 0:43:25.200 but he held onto the chain I heard. 0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:28.160 Now he didn't drag the floor. His chain is solid. 0:43:28.160 --> 0:43:30.880 They don't have no clasp. Jam Aster J had the 0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:32.120 best chain in hip hop. 0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:37.040 But wasn't like royalty, like untouchable or is it like 0:43:37.080 --> 0:43:37.880 we gotta test. 0:43:37.760 --> 0:43:41.359 Your Jay had the Holly's Crew with him. 0:43:42.360 --> 0:43:46.400 Hurricane in about twenty twenty five other ones, so it 0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:50.479 was the first time it was an even match. Dude 0:43:50.640 --> 0:43:55.080 fifty tried to snatch Jay's chain. It don't pop. Jay 0:43:55.239 --> 0:44:00.600 went with the chain and J is no slouch, right right. 0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:03.880 I went out and pulled J out of the melee 0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:08.480 and he literally fought me. And when I looked in 0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:12.120 his face, he said, Yo, dice, my people was out there. 0:44:13.719 --> 0:44:16.919 I let him go. He went right back out there. 0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:20.600 You know who am I out to tell him? You 0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:21.160 know what I mean? 0:44:21.239 --> 0:44:25.200 But uh, yeah, jam Master J. Let me say something 0:44:25.239 --> 0:44:29.560 about him. He was the most humble and wonderful human 0:44:29.600 --> 0:44:33.719 being ever. You know, you go to the club. J 0:44:33.920 --> 0:44:37.960 would be at a club, no security, no homeboys. 0:44:38.400 --> 0:44:39.400 He'd be out on tour. 0:44:39.760 --> 0:44:43.200 You find jam Master J with a forty in the 0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:47.360 hood in the projects, four o'clock in the morning, smoking 0:44:47.400 --> 0:44:50.160 and drinking and telling stories and jokes with dudes he 0:44:50.239 --> 0:44:53.240 don't even know. And he had the total hood pass 0:44:53.640 --> 0:44:57.320 because he was Jammaster J. He was that dope. Yeah, 0:44:57.520 --> 0:45:01.920 he taught me how to act once I became popular. 0:45:02.920 --> 0:45:04.480 Can we talk about the Hip Hop Museum? 0:45:04.640 --> 0:45:04.799 Yes? 0:45:05.040 --> 0:45:05.239 See? 0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:10.359 Yeah, Now I'm told that you were collecting artifacts and 0:45:10.400 --> 0:45:12.799 whatnot since seventy. 0:45:12.520 --> 0:45:13.799 Nine, seventy eight. 0:45:14.400 --> 0:45:16.360 Okay, so yeah, how did you know. 0:45:17.920 --> 0:45:18.680 I was a kid? 0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:20.160 How did you know instantly. 0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:25.520 I shouldn't know instant. My brother Michael Michael Green coach Green. 0:45:26.120 --> 0:45:28.759 He was a baseball and football coach at de Wick 0:45:28.800 --> 0:45:32.400 Clinton High School in the Bronx, and my brother was 0:45:32.440 --> 0:45:34.920 four years older than me, and he did everything to 0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:38.799 influence me. I didn't respect or understand my brother when 0:45:38.840 --> 0:45:40.400 I was young because he wasn't a fighter. 0:45:40.760 --> 0:45:41.839 I had to fight every day. 0:45:42.080 --> 0:45:45.080 But as I got older, everything I do and everything 0:45:45.080 --> 0:45:48.840 I know really came from my brother. A photographer, a writer, 0:45:49.760 --> 0:45:55.840 an artist, and illustrator. But most importantly, he collected stamps 0:45:55.840 --> 0:45:56.760 and coins. 0:45:57.280 --> 0:45:59.560 I wasn't into that. I get out of here with that. 0:46:00.520 --> 0:46:05.320 Then he started collecting baseball cards, football cards, and comic books. 0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:09.719 That's when I lost my mind, you know, because I 0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:13.560 was an avid reader and comic book collectors and comic 0:46:13.560 --> 0:46:16.319 book readers. It's like oil and water. We really didn't met. 0:46:16.480 --> 0:46:19.359 So I start collecting my own comics. And then here 0:46:19.360 --> 0:46:25.080 comes hip hop flyers, Grand Master Flash, who DJ hurt 0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:30.080 the Herk Lords, you know, grand was it Theodore? It 0:46:30.200 --> 0:46:34.640 was like walking Marvel heroes in my hood who were 0:46:34.680 --> 0:46:40.439 doing those flyers. Buddy Esquire a whole bunch of good 0:46:41.040 --> 0:46:43.719 Phase two, but he Esquire and Phase two were the 0:46:43.719 --> 0:46:46.440 two most popular ones, but there was a whole host 0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:49.440 of people making flyers back then, and they were beautiful. 0:46:49.480 --> 0:46:54.279 When the hip hop universe was like the Marvel and 0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:58.879 DC universe to me, you know, so they would have 0:46:59.000 --> 0:47:02.279 cartoon characters. I got a fly with Iron Man on it, 0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:05.160 one with Spider Man on it, one with Muhammed Aldi 0:47:05.320 --> 0:47:09.239 on it, you know, fly girls and nice calls. 0:47:09.560 --> 0:47:10.640 It was amazing to me. 0:47:10.719 --> 0:47:15.200 So I kept them and me and my homeboy kids Zeep, 0:47:16.960 --> 0:47:20.280 we started trading with each other and it just became 0:47:20.320 --> 0:47:23.279 a thing in my hood that we would collect hip 0:47:23.320 --> 0:47:27.960 hop flyers, and later on it became everything with hip 0:47:27.960 --> 0:47:31.600 hop on it, Yo, MTV rap cards, you know what 0:47:31.600 --> 0:47:37.400 I'm saying, Magazines, Yo, rap Masters, the Sowres, Double Excel, 0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:39.959 if it had anything about hip hop. 0:47:40.480 --> 0:47:42.520 I was hip hop's biggest fan. I wanted. 0:47:42.840 --> 0:47:49.319 So, were you just naturally a pop culture junkie that 0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:55.160 just you know part Like I'm collecting stuff now, I 0:47:55.200 --> 0:47:57.759 don't know why I'm collecting it. I'm not saying to 0:47:57.800 --> 0:48:00.520 myself like Okay, one day I'm gonna have a museum, 0:48:00.719 --> 0:48:03.239 but like now, I mean I'm going hard on. I 0:48:03.239 --> 0:48:07.440 went hard on On HRT's auction. Now we're seeing the 0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:10.799 auction stuff. Yeah, so I'm like, I'm doing it. I 0:48:10.880 --> 0:48:14.520 guess I figure, like, okay, maybe when I'm sixty or seventies, 0:48:15.400 --> 0:48:18.320 I'll have these artifacts to pass on to a museum 0:48:18.400 --> 0:48:19.279 or that sort of. 0:48:19.200 --> 0:48:20.680 Thing in your mind. 0:48:20.719 --> 0:48:24.120 Are you saying, like, one day I'm going to open 0:48:24.200 --> 0:48:27.680 up the hip hop museum and I'm having these artifacts there. 0:48:29.640 --> 0:48:31.319 No, I didn't even consider that. 0:48:31.480 --> 0:48:34.839 I just knew what I liked and I loved, and 0:48:35.239 --> 0:48:39.160 I just catered to myself. I loved myself, so I 0:48:39.239 --> 0:48:43.880 tried to surround myself with beautiful things and things that 0:48:43.920 --> 0:48:47.040 make me feel good. I was a little ashy, skin 0:48:47.239 --> 0:48:50.759 nappy headed, dark skinned kid in the South Bronx with 0:48:50.880 --> 0:48:54.719 holes in the bottom of my shoe, and hip hop 0:48:54.760 --> 0:48:58.080 gave me my self esteem. 0:48:58.239 --> 0:49:00.960 How do you preserve everything through the years, with all 0:49:00.960 --> 0:49:04.879 the floods and robberies and everything that everybody goes through 0:49:04.920 --> 0:49:06.280 with moving one hundred times. 0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:08.400 I never had a flood, I never got robbed. 0:49:08.920 --> 0:49:11.520 My dad still live in the same apartment that we 0:49:11.640 --> 0:49:13.520 lived in since nineteen eighty. 0:49:13.840 --> 0:49:15.959 Wow, there's the answer there right there. 0:49:16.040 --> 0:49:20.239 Yeah, yeah, Okay, we had stability. So let me know 0:49:20.440 --> 0:49:21.880 what closet space. 0:49:22.400 --> 0:49:24.959 Okay, now I'm really asked the question that I always asks. 0:49:24.960 --> 0:49:28.120 You know, one answers. Yeah, You're given. 0:49:29.520 --> 0:49:30.560 One minute. 0:49:31.840 --> 0:49:37.040 To grab three artifacts and the rest you'll never see again. 0:49:37.800 --> 0:49:39.280 What three things are you grabbing? 0:49:42.239 --> 0:49:45.319 My original crown that I created, the first crown of 0:49:45.560 --> 0:49:53.920 x Crime, my wooden stick that I carved with a 0:49:54.040 --> 0:49:57.239 lion's face in the middle of a morph between the 0:49:57.280 --> 0:49:58.320 lion and the man. 0:49:58.560 --> 0:50:00.920 That staff is called the iron in lion Zion. 0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:04.799 Yes, yes, you carved too. 0:50:05.360 --> 0:50:05.600 Yeah. 0:50:06.120 --> 0:50:10.160 Yeah, that's why they called me the architect, baby architect, 0:50:10.760 --> 0:50:12.840 you know, yeah, did. 0:50:12.640 --> 0:50:15.960 You have dreams to be an actual architect? 0:50:16.000 --> 0:50:18.080 In term I went to Brooklyn Tech to be an architect, 0:50:19.200 --> 0:50:20.920 and I dropped out in the tenth grade because I 0:50:20.920 --> 0:50:23.479 couldn't go through high school with holes in my ship 0:50:23.560 --> 0:50:26.400 like I did junior high. My parents are from the South. 0:50:27.040 --> 0:50:30.399 My dad I told him what I wanted and he said, hey. 0:50:30.520 --> 0:50:32.480 He walked me to the front door and said, everything 0:50:32.480 --> 0:50:35.680 you want right outside this door. Everything you need, I 0:50:35.719 --> 0:50:38.279 got it in here. Go get what you want. So 0:50:38.760 --> 0:50:40.440 I said, okay, I'm gonna go get it. I went 0:50:40.480 --> 0:50:44.160 and I dropped out of high school, and within two 0:50:44.239 --> 0:50:46.160 years I was making more money than my mother and 0:50:46.239 --> 0:50:48.200 my father combined legally. 0:50:48.719 --> 0:50:51.400 Where are your parents from? North Carolina? What city? 0:50:51.520 --> 0:50:57.200 I was born in a little town called Washington, North Carolina. 0:50:58.160 --> 0:50:58.600 Washington. 0:50:58.719 --> 0:51:02.600 Yeah, I grew up in I lived all over over 0:51:02.880 --> 0:51:05.960 Fatteville of red s Range, Robinson County. Grew up in Greensboro, 0:51:06.640 --> 0:51:08.919 living Raleigh. But nah, man, that's that's so dope. 0:51:08.960 --> 0:51:09.960 I'm home from. 0:51:10.320 --> 0:51:10.440 So. 0:51:10.440 --> 0:51:13.799 I was born in nineteen sixty four in North Carolina 0:51:13.920 --> 0:51:17.759 Freedom Summer, and my mother decided when I was four 0:51:17.840 --> 0:51:20.120 years old that she didn't want me and my brother 0:51:20.160 --> 0:51:23.040 and sister to grow up picking cotton and tobacco. So 0:51:23.080 --> 0:51:27.879 she followed her sister, Helen, my aunt, to Harlem, and 0:51:28.000 --> 0:51:30.520 she stayed in Harlem with my aunt and sent me 0:51:30.560 --> 0:51:33.080 and my brother and sister to live in the Bronxdale 0:51:33.120 --> 0:51:39.080 Projects with my aunt's daughter, her niece, Susie Davis, and 0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:41.759 my little cousin who lived with us in Disco King 0:51:41.800 --> 0:51:42.680 Mario's building. 0:51:43.200 --> 0:51:45.160 His name is Aaron Davis. 0:51:45.360 --> 0:51:48.000 He wound up becoming a welterweight champion of the world, 0:51:48.320 --> 0:51:52.160 Aaron Superman Davis, and he knocked Mark Brelan out to 0:51:52.200 --> 0:51:52.800 take the belt. 0:51:54.560 --> 0:51:55.760 No, you're a sports expert. 0:51:56.520 --> 0:51:58.480 Well, I love hip hop and sports. I think hip 0:51:58.520 --> 0:52:00.600 hop was a sport us too. 0:52:00.680 --> 0:52:04.640 It is you know, surviving it is key. Well you 0:52:04.719 --> 0:52:06.840 didn't name the third thing, the third artifact that you 0:52:06.920 --> 0:52:07.319 were saying. 0:52:07.400 --> 0:52:10.800 Yeah, that first Flyer was the first time hip hop's 0:52:10.840 --> 0:52:12.080 mentioned on It's pretty cool. 0:52:13.040 --> 0:52:16.200 Yeah, but there's more important things. 0:52:16.440 --> 0:52:21.799 Yeah, okay, well record record things that I own or 0:52:22.760 --> 0:52:25.560 I mean like treasures. 0:52:25.719 --> 0:52:32.200 I mean, dude, I have so much in my collection. 0:52:33.080 --> 0:52:37.680 I'm not Bismarck status with my collection, but the hip 0:52:37.719 --> 0:52:40.800 hop part of my collection bigger than business hip hop collection. 0:52:41.040 --> 0:52:43.000 See, he's the one that got me into When I 0:52:43.040 --> 0:52:44.799 saw business stuff, I was like, oh, this is what 0:52:44.840 --> 0:52:46.719 I want to do. Spend my money. You got to 0:52:46.719 --> 0:52:51.080 spend your money on something. So that's the thing. Artifact historical, 0:52:51.200 --> 0:52:55.319 artifact wise, what do you have? Jeff just shared with 0:52:55.400 --> 0:53:03.160 me that he has the records from Grandmaster Grandmaster Flash 0:53:03.280 --> 0:53:05.200 used in Wild Style Sope. 0:53:06.640 --> 0:53:09.480 I still have a bunch of my original creates that 0:53:09.520 --> 0:53:13.320 I DJ with since the seventies in the Bronx. I 0:53:13.400 --> 0:53:15.680 still have my original vinyl, all my breakbeats. 0:53:16.120 --> 0:53:17.399 Okay, you know I. 0:53:17.320 --> 0:53:21.400 Have the big red, black and green flag that X 0:53:21.440 --> 0:53:23.560 Clan used to perform with and that we used to 0:53:24.040 --> 0:53:26.920 march in the streets of Brooklyn with Sonny Carson with. 0:53:27.719 --> 0:53:34.759 You know, I have a cutout of the Niles pharrowhead. 0:53:34.719 --> 0:53:36.960 From I Am Oh, yeah, I am record. 0:53:37.280 --> 0:53:40.239 Yeah, okay, yeah, I have the cutout of master P. 0:53:41.920 --> 0:53:45.319 You know, I've got the master P doll they go. 0:53:47.840 --> 0:53:48.200 Right. 0:53:48.680 --> 0:53:52.120 You know, I got so much artifacts, bro. 0:53:52.360 --> 0:53:54.880 I do want to know when do you feel as 0:53:54.920 --> 0:53:57.879 though the museum will have its grand. 0:53:57.560 --> 0:54:02.360 Opening fourth quarter for first quarter twenty twenty five in 0:54:02.440 --> 0:54:06.200 the location right where it is, right in the Boogie 0:54:06.320 --> 0:54:09.640 down Bronx one hundred and forty ninth Street and Bronx 0:54:09.760 --> 0:54:12.040 Point Baby, right on the Harlem River. 0:54:12.920 --> 0:54:16.400 Well, brother, this this has been long overdue. Yeah, thank you, 0:54:16.520 --> 0:54:18.120 thank you for sharing. 0:54:18.520 --> 0:54:20.160 We didn't have more time, and you know, I didn't 0:54:20.160 --> 0:54:21.520 really get to tell you a new stories. 0:54:24.640 --> 0:54:25.439 But it's all good. 0:54:25.640 --> 0:54:27.440 No, this is this is beautiful and we thank you 0:54:27.480 --> 0:54:28.320 for coming on the show. 0:54:28.680 --> 0:54:31.680 So we have a fontiicolo on paper bill Sugar Steve 0:54:31.760 --> 0:54:34.640 and like, yeah, this is quest Love is a great paradise. 0:54:34.719 --> 0:54:34.959 Gray. 0:54:35.239 --> 0:54:40.160 Yeah, support hip hop culture, collect your artifacts, don't dispose 0:54:40.239 --> 0:54:42.359 of things that you don't know will be you know, 0:54:42.840 --> 0:54:44.880 well man's trash, that next man's treasure. 0:54:44.960 --> 0:54:45.319 Oh yeah. 0:54:45.440 --> 0:54:48.440 Telling the history, yes, and share stories and. 0:54:49.120 --> 0:54:49.680 In the history. 0:54:49.719 --> 0:54:54.080 Because while it's good that we celebrated their fiftieth anniversary 0:54:54.080 --> 0:54:57.880 of hip hop make history, now it's our time to 0:54:58.080 --> 0:55:00.400 plot the next fifty years of hip hop. There you go, 0:55:01.080 --> 0:55:04.920 and to support young artists with the real support that 0:55:05.000 --> 0:55:07.320 we need to give them. And we need to stop 0:55:07.360 --> 0:55:10.200 being the old man sitting on the porch telling them 0:55:10.200 --> 0:55:12.680 to get off our Lawan hip hop was created by 0:55:12.840 --> 0:55:16.279 children and children will always rule hip hop. So if 0:55:16.320 --> 0:55:18.840 you owe and you feel like, oh I can't understand 0:55:18.880 --> 0:55:21.800 what they're saying, well maybe they're not talking to your ass. 0:55:21.800 --> 0:55:27.000 Oh and there it is, ladies, all right, we'll see 0:55:27.040 --> 0:55:27.560 all next cover. 0:55:31.960 --> 0:55:32.880 This is Sugar Steve. 0:55:33.040 --> 0:55:36.280 Thank you for listening to Quest Love Supreme. 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